how much dmg is 2 shot on DTR?
#gtfo-chat
latent palm
mystic moss
11 (5.5 per bullet)
gusty burrow
Burst rifle can too
latent palm
why are they so close
i mean its based on paper work that if in every situations that it connects
lower ground/higher elavations POV:
mystic moss
if you post an embed kaiser i am going to strangle you
unreal crystal
Thank you vox
latent palm
if you post an embed kaiser i am going to strangle you
aight bet
unreal crystal
we just hating on u it’s different
balmy moat
latent palm
real
unreal crystal
I value honesty in my relationships 😤
latent palm
let me check the stats back for it
trim sail
I will now insult you for thinking this is what a gtfo conversation is like
hit me
i'm fully prepared
unreal crystal
pulling up the spreadsheet to find the best insult to use
balmy moat
wraith marsh
youre CRINGE
unreal crystal
B tier insult
balmy moat
trim sail
i don't think being insulted does any damage to my mental health
cuz it's already broken
balmy moat
latent palm
hmmm
wraith marsh
makes me cry
balmy moat
wraith marsh
its a horrible weapon yes
unreal crystal
Prisoner is an S tier insult
wraith marsh
ong burst pistol is a better gun than short rifle
latent palm
well yea
wraith marsh
like, no balance change, id rather take burst pistol
latent palm
like, no balance change, id rather take burst pistol
over hel pp?
latent palm
true
wraith marsh
no changes whatsoever
unreal crystal
hel pp sucks anyway
gusty burrow
hel pp sucks anyway
Sucks the souls of the enemies right out of their bodies, damn right
upper helm
hel pp sucks anyway
Hel PP is goated
unreal crystal
if you’re using that gun to kill I have some serious concerns
pine root
Rick
latent palm
BARTOLOMEW
wraith marsh
I need to try hel pp still
unreal crystal
I tried it and it felt awful to use outside of just staggering
latent palm
I need to try hel pp still
E2 i love that shit when the spawn seed is fucked
unreal crystal
If anything the gun got nerfed with this rundown because it has less ammo
latent palm
literally moms every corner
pine root
that HSMG is overcrowding the Main slot, and belongs in the Special slot.
unreal crystal
Ppl going crazy about the damage stat are questionable
pine root
Beth I added 60 damage to hel rev and took away 6 bullets
latent palm
Ppl going crazy about the damage stat are questionable
to be fair the machine gun dmg increase didnt tick anything off
unreal crystal
missed the entire point about the gun I think
latent palm
5.35 on arbalist / 3.51 on veruta is actually fire
gusty burrow
Ppl going crazy about the damage stat are questionable
It still takes a while to kill, but compared to how long it took before, its so much faster.
Tbh the thing that makes it broken in my mind isn't striker kills at all, but just the insane stagger lock on giants
unreal crystal
the problem is
Is I have a hel gun that can break limbs
Or literally most special weapons will do that for me
I just dont see a situation where im like
Man i sure wish i had a hel pp on my team
latent palm
bringing a bad main weapon into a special weapon slot
gusty burrow
HEL Gun is also a very good gun into multiple giants, that doesn't make HEL PP bad into them.
latent palm
unreal crystal
because stagger will always be 2nd to just killing the enemy
wraith marsh
Man i sure wish i had a hel pp on my team
same but its cuz I run hel shotgun every game
it is kinda nice to have 1 person with the stagger gun on hard levels
(though e2 is still fresh in my mind)
unreal crystal
I dont think ppl undervalue stagger, I think having someone with a gun that is only good for stagger is just a waste of a slot for groups
gusty burrow
I get that you'd often want to just kill them with your special, but a main that can stagger lock like 5 at once is still kinda crazy
latent palm
how i long for a slug shotgun to be changed into a more powerful and swaps on special weapon
unreal crystal
especially because so many people just don’t understand how to use it either
gusty burrow
That's the thing though, it also does good damage now
unreal crystal
I just beg that people stop being spreadsheet monkeys for at least 5 minutes
pine root
Did it lose that much ammo?
unreal crystal
Wake up read gtfo chat it’s the same gun arguments over and over until the end of time
wraith marsh
not compared to the damage it gained, but it was a good chunk
unreal crystal
get me out man can we do something more interesting than this
latent palm
moving subject?
gusty burrow
Did it lose that much ammo?
~20% less, but 50% more damage
pine root
get me out man can we do something more interesting than this
Yeah when you dating bread like the furry said
unreal crystal
LOL
latent palm
Yeah when you dating bread like the furry said
unreal crystal
Check in with me in like a century
wraith marsh
it lost 22.5 (from 112.5 to 90)
unreal crystal
Ask my bones and see what they say
pine root
Don’t give bread hope
gusty burrow
Nah Beth we keep doing this, Beth I've been seeing a lot of takes on the tierlist, and I respect your opinions so I want to know your like top 3 wtf were they on about guns
latent palm
is it like less punishing for using on waves now?
unreal crystal
3rd is hard to say i should refresh myself on them
But I think ppl simp WAY too hard for veruta
pine root
Sniper c teir
latent palm
20 in mag so u have a burst of 2 left as the final burst fire? lol
unreal crystal
And my opinion on it was discredited on that entirely by a moaning German so
pine root
But I think ppl simp WAY too hard for veruta
Hel rife you where mad at
gusty burrow
Burst cannon not in S was criminal
It's good, but idk if it's HEL gun and scatter gun good. Tbh I kinda wish we did hel rifle A as well, idk if hel rifle is as broken as the other two
vestal crystal
someone link me the moaning german pls im gonna be alone this christmas 😦
wraith marsh
?
gusty burrow
And giant kill speed imo
unreal crystal
it’s way better into everything else which is huge
wraith marsh
It's good, but idk if it's HEL gun and scatter gun good. Tbh I kinda wish we did...
I take those 😎
gusty burrow
2 bursts vs 1 burst + main
Maybe I just used to run a lot of 10 dmg mains to super synergize on giants, but it used to feel a lot better into giants for me
unreal crystal
And I think ppl are honestly overrating scattergun to some degree too I can’t lie
S tier gun but it’s still got drawbacks
pine root
You are correct
unreal crystal
It’s a braindead weapon but does it really play much differently to how it did before
wraith marsh
its bad on all the weakest enemies in the game
pine root
You can’t run 5 scatters
unreal crystal
You just don’t have to shoot a few hel revo bullets into mom now
That’s cool
More ammo is nice too
pine root
Scatter is only a teir on client
gusty burrow
You have capacity for EIGHT mom kills
pine root
Maybe 4 in the mag?
unreal crystal
yea but you shoot twice and have to reload
gusty burrow
Shotgun has capacity for THREE
unreal crystal
Scattergun’s main quirk is boss killing
pine root
Scattergun’s main quirk is boss killing
Boss obliterating
unreal crystal
but burst cannon is very versatile into everything and has the added bonus of range
I think it’s criminal to put it in the same tier as machinegun
A gun that also shouldn’t have been in A at all anyway
gusty burrow
But I think ppl simp WAY too hard for veruta
Yeah this is a weird one for me, I don't ever run the gun because I don't enjoy it, but idk if I don't enjoy it because it is bad or if I just don't enjoy it
wraith marsh
scattergun is just hel shotgun for specials now
(it was before but, even more so now)
unreal crystal
I mean obviously scattergun is S
gusty burrow
BC > varuta, but varuta B feels kinda eh
unreal crystal
It’s jusr not that great of a gun
gusty burrow
Maybe we needed A+ and A-
unreal crystal
No I have to
Really drives the point home that I think the ppl who say that shit are stupid
Ppl telling you to mg the giant do not know how to play this game
pine root
guys we should have a stat about how many refills pre immortal kill
Might be inspiring
unreal crystal
No
We don’t need more stats
I was also gonna throw hands with the sniper being in same tier as short rifle tru
pine root
We should have a stat about Beth complaining about stats
unreal crystal
I don’t know why it was there for so long
gusty burrow
I agree we were a bit reactive with sniper nerfs, I've played a bit more of it since then and it's like fine
unreal crystal
It’s c tier honestly
gusty burrow
It's bad, but not as bad as we were saying
gusty burrow
I need to play more short rifle before I can really judge it properly
But I don't want to
It hurt my finger
unreal crystal
It sucks
I ran special damage with it and it still felt terrible
I couldn’t ran har with special damage
And had more fun
Could’ve*
I think I agreed with most of the guns on there but
Some were just so ??????????
Hence why I made my own
gusty burrow
I mean even the ???? ones are only a tier off or so for you right
unreal crystal
Typically I think
gusty burrow
Not as bad as I thought then
unreal crystal
But I had to hear ppl say is hel auto pp better than dmr
And I wanted to scream
I think what bothered me was the reasoning behind a lot of choices
gusty burrow
HEL auto pp good you should play it more
gusty burrow
I think what bothered me was the reasoning behind a lot of choices
hit me
unreal crystal
I’ve done my time with that gun I’ll probably try it more but I don’t ever plan on playing it like a damage weapon
Burst pistol in low tier cause it’s hard to use
What is hard to use about that gun
gusty burrow
I think it was more, it is substantially harder than pistol, but pistol gives you same or better value
unreal crystal
Dtr b cause of skill requirement was also weird to me
well pistol is an underrated weapon tbh
gusty burrow
Same thing kinda, DTR substantially harder than DMR/hel revo, similar value
unreal crystal
dtr gets better ammo than dmr no?
that was the big selling point for me, I think dmr is highly overrated for its “one shot shooters” gimmick but it’s miserable using that gun cause it gets no ammo
Dtr at least gets more and isn’t terribly difficult to use for an experienced player
Which was probably where the tier lists differed
gusty burrow
I think this one was like, assuming operating at 80% skill ceiling
unreal crystal
then im just more confused by some of these then
dtr 80% skill ceiling would be pretty good
burst cannon too
gusty burrow
burst cannon A, A is good
unreal crystal
A is good but it’s underselling that weapon purely because ppl think 5 is better
gusty burrow
I think 5 IS better
unreal crystal
I don’t think people have committed enough time to some of these guns to give a very accurate ranking of them
it was the same with 0.3 hel gun I can’t lie team
gusty burrow
Like they're close, and they're very different weapons, but 5 was kinda cracked into mom and giants, which is what I valued the weapon for
pine root
it was the same with 0.3 hel gun I can’t lie team
Hel gun is dead
unreal crystal
The 4 mom burst gone is pretty sad
pine root
😭
unreal crystal
Dude people told me hel gun was dead the entire time
I probably put the most time into 0.3 hel gun and it was fine
pine root
Helgun dead so sad
unreal crystal
Just adjust man I don’t understand why people were giving it so much shit
unreal crystal
it was a lot more fun before
That was the sad part
I liked to spam that gun
Going from like 0.3 to 0.2 it felt like way better than I remember 0.2 being
You don’t know what you’ve got until it’s gone…
That’s all I can currently think of regarding the tierlist anyway
gusty burrow
RIP sniper, another victim to how-it-feels
unreal crystal
Would’ve been better if there wasn’t a moaning German man on the podcast but it is what it is
pine root
It added enjoyment for me
mystic moss
Going from like 0.3 to 0.2 it felt like way better than I remember 0.2 being
i can't even imagine what old old hel gun feels like now
unreal crystal
I used it back when 0.3 was around when I went back to play legacy
It felt so good
spamming it was just perfect
gusty burrow
I feel like I can't push for 0.15 14dmg anymore, 0.2 16dmg much stronger
unreal crystal
It’s pretty good
sharp siren
I just beg that people stop being spreadsheet monkeys for at least 5 minutes
Spreadsheet gamers
unreal crystal
I just wanna go a day without seeing ppl argue abt guns or smth
burnt garnet
Spreadsheet gamers
como tan muchacho
sharp siren
I just wanna go a day without seeing ppl argue abt guns or smth
Never give your ideas to a german vtuber
Worst mistake of my life
sharp siren
como tan muchacho
Si tu me tratas bien yo te trato bien
unreal crystal
Worst mistake of my life
LOL
high orchid
ayo wtf did they do something with mines?
I just got 50% from 2 uses
and none of us are using boosters
high orchid
yeah
I'd need to check my recording but I also think I never got a refill where I got only 1 mine
high orchid
ah
earnest forge
The first few tool refill packs you use on the mine deployer, in an expedition, will alternately give you 2, then 1 mine
But as you use more, you get more chance to get twice two mines
🍑
upper helm
MG is like the shitty weapon in GTFO prove me wrong
sharp siren
Just hipfire like a normal person
earnest forge
While I hate the MGs, some players use them very well in this game
balmy moat
MG is like the shitty weapon in GTFO prove me wrong
Short Rifle: 🗿
unreal crystal
it’ll always come down to people just using guns well
Skill goes a lot further than your weapon choice
Which is why I hate the gun arguments PLEASE can we just actually give ppl good advice instead of just being like RUN X GUN USE Y TOOL
high orchid
4 scatter on R6D1
serene jewel
🍆
modern verge
hammer is the best weapon
id argue knife is better if you're dealing with a whole bunch of smaller fellas
otherwise i 100% agree
quaint cairn
modern verge
You're playing devils advocate, but ive never been in a court of law
your powers do not work against me
upper helm
People who told you to go silent in GTFO doesn’t know how to play we all know we gotta go in loud and alert all the scout
modern verge
hrrrg, schaeffer, im trying to sneak around
but im dummy thicc and the clap of my asschecks keeps alerting the sleepers
shut vapor
KITE GIANTS
But how else are you meant to beat r7e1 if you don't afk with immortal D:
near star
is there a weapon damage spreadsheet somewhere? something easy to read one image
near star
A little outdated due to new patch
good enough right? thx 
rough robin
I'd need to check my recording but I also think I never got a refill where I got...
assuming mines refill the same 20% as sentry guns, that's 1.6 mines if that makes any sense
so after another refill it's 3.2 mines which means you get 2 instead of 1
and the next would be 4.8 which would just give you one
junior latch
well wouldnt it be rounded?
As in 1.6 = 2
Then 3.2 = 3 (so 1)
Then 4.8 = 5 (so 2) 
upper tinsel
Id guess the mines are counted as int so there arent floats?
high orchid
assuming mines refill the same 20% as sentry guns, that's 1.6 mines if that make...
yeah ik how the refill should be and play around it quite often but I was just getting refills of 2 and that was what was confusing me
upper tinsel
Id guess the mines are counted as int so there arent floats?
as in it rounds like Eva explained
upbeat sail
it was the same with 0.3 hel gun I can’t lie team
why was that an issue again
unreal crystal
Why was what an issue
upbeat sail
I remember people losing their shit when they upped the hel gun charge time before but I could barely tell the difference other then my aim was bouncing around less
unreal crystal
if you couldn’t tell the difference then smth tells me you did not use it much
upbeat sail
I used it for half of the game
unreal crystal
then you definitely should’ve noticed the difference
It’s a big difference
it became a lot less spammable
Generally less fun but it was still a good gun
upbeat sail
Generally less fun but it was still a good gun
so the only issue was people liked hearing it go off more?
unreal crystal
no ppl said it was dead
and it was terrible
What im saying is it wasn’t actually that bad, it was still a good gun at 0.3
people just didn’t put in enough time to truly get adjusted to it at that point
And I can’t blame them, it wasn’t that fun
upbeat sail
Im just going to guess using machinegun for the other half of the game made me not notice
unreal crystal
maybe
It might just be you don’t spam hel gun much
I know I didn’t for a while when I first started using it at least
upbeat sail
It might just be you don’t spam hel gun much
probably, I tend to check if what I shot at died before firing the next round
leaden brook
Can I type in Chinese? 有中文玩家嗎?
flat perch
Can I type in Chinese? 有中文玩家嗎?
#hc-asia 最有可能的
silent dirge
in r4a2 if u choose secondary obj, can u still do overload after?
balmy moat
in r4a2 if u choose secondary obj, can u still do overload after?
There is no overload
burnt flume
R4A2 has sec and ovl
You go into one bulkhead door, then go into overload, and then do secondary
silent dirge
You go into one bulkhead door, then go into overload, and then do secondary
that's what we did, but im asking can we do it the other way around?
balmy moat
Oh shit
silent dirge
or if u choose secondary u no longer can do overload
burnt flume
that's what we did, but im asking can we do it the other way around?
No, only overload has a bulkhead
balmy moat
No
burnt flume
So if you go into secondary first, overload is inaccessible
balmy moat
It’s the one with the overload softlock
silent dirge
No, only overload has a bulkhead
Okay makes sense, ty
balmy moat
You have to do overload first ye
It’s cause secondary is just cells right
Man my ass read R8A2 💀
Time for me to sleep
south peak
Thank you
sharp owl
pachi do you want to try again
wispy bluff
How far did you get yesterday
sharp owl
1st surge alarm after error
wispy bluff
Big fog pit?
sharp owl
yep
wispy bluff
Yeah, that is the universal wipe spot
Cringe room, cringe surge.
Fog was an overkill IMHO.
sharp owl
we got cucked by a guy leaving the scan and the swarm descended upon our behinds with a vengeance
also our shadow stealth went horribly lmao
we woke up like 2 rooms and had to shoot a bunch
serene jewel
What's that
sharp owl
yeah after you clear it not a lot of reason to go back to it
serene jewel
I hate infection
burnt flume
pachi do you want to try again
you could've pinged me!
sharp owl
you were on don't disturb!
burnt flume
anyway yeah I can play
serene jewel
Can't wait to finally get bold/aggressive detox
burnt flume
I'm always on do not disturb so I don't get any notifications
wispy bluff
Get my boy through that hellish level so he may never see it again
sharp owl
europe
serene jewel
Oh
burnt flume
if I don't want to be disturbed then I'll not look at discord
serene jewel
Nevermind
sharp owl
hah
serene jewel
I don't like 300+ ping
sharp owl
it depends quite a lot on the connection too
i sometimes play with americans and the connection is pretty good ngl
serene jewel
I'm in sea
sharp owl
hm
serene jewel
I actually mostly play with NA because asia is dead
sharp owl
if I don't want to be disturbed then I'll not look at discord
do you wanna host
burnt flume
don't mind
latent palm
I'm always on do not disturb so I don't get any notifications
Likewise the do not disturb issue your whole gimmick
Dont wana be rude but it looks cool nonetheless
burnt flume
I have no idea what that sentence is trying to say
still lion
um question for the tutorioal will I start playing alone?
gusty burrow
nope
serene jewel
damn
serene jewel
I guess burst really is the best, then
wispy bluff
Eh, not anymore. Others are fine under bio support.
But if no bio or pings are unreliable - yeah, bring burst.
serene jewel
yeah but against big balls of enemies, idk if taking out just one is enough
flat perch
if in doubt, shotgun sentry. needs bio tho.
wispy bluff
Shotgun under bio unironically slaps these days.
serene jewel
I tried to make shotgun sentry work for a really long time but it just felt unsatisfying
gusty burrow
slaps the walls, lmao got em, shotgun sentry accuracy in shambles
serene jewel
even though one time in R1D1 it basically solo'd a class 4 alarm on its own
it shoots twice even if it kills with the first on default cpu speed
gusty burrow
If you can put shotgun sentry at the bottom of a ladder it is fine, any other situation it misses too much to be worthwhile (compared to burst which will hit every shot).
serene jewel
put it too far, it wastes ammo with that awful falloff damage, put it too close and enemies just run past it
it never felt worthwhile
yea
now I'm testing out max damage burst and moderate cpu speed sniper
I think max damage burst can one burst small ones, but that was before the nerf so
we'll see
wispy bluff
You can team it up with HEL sentry around a corner
They will destroy waves until they run out of ammo
still tinsel
algum br me tira uma dúvida?
upbeat sail
put it too far, it wastes ammo with that awful falloff damage, put it too close ...
aim it directly forward where they will be running through not sideways
they will run into good range of it on their own and the overshooting is negated a bit since theres likely something behind whatever its targeting
analog flicker
Why take both when you have a burst
upbeat sail
burst is better if your bio sucks
but you need 2 of them on a door (unless your only goal is to thin them out a bit), shotgun only needs 1
analog flicker
Burst will more reliably weaken enemies for combat shotty to finish easily
Next to ammo consumption
upbeat sail
combat shotty already 1-2 shots
serene jewel
aim it directly forward where they will be running through not sideways
putting it sideways is asking it to miss or not fire at all
upbeat sail
putting it sideways is asking it to miss or not fire at all
it works only if your goal is to stick it on the opposite side of the door but it will stop functioning the second that door breaks
analog flicker
With a burst weakening them. It's "Easier" to obtain oneshots without ease of aiming
upbeat sail
With a burst weakening them. It's "Easier" to obtain oneshots without ease of ai...
yes but shotgun sentry kills outright
analog flicker
Burst can still kill lol
analog flicker
That's why you have guns
upbeat sail
and its not doing shit to gaints
wispy bluff
Tldr:
Corners and tight passages - shotgun.
Giant large rooms (mostly floodways) - sniper.
Anything in between - burst.
Or just bring all 3 and adapt.
Thats what I've been doing, is fun.
upbeat sail
yeah that works
analog flicker
My main issue with shotgun sentry is needing choke points next to tool consumption
upbeat sail
My main issue with shotgun sentry is needing choke points next to tool consumpti...
remember your gun ammo is also being drained from anything getting past
wispy bluff
Tool consumption on it not that bad anymore.
upbeat sail
*if you have biotracker pings
wispy bluff
With my bot runs I was outright shocked how long it stays in action.
upbeat sail
*if you dont its unusable
analog flicker
remember your gun ammo is also being drained from anything getting past
Majority of levels have too much ammo if you play right.
upbeat sail
Majority of levels have too much ammo if you play right.
most of them give you plenty of tool ammo aswell
serene jewel
so yeah, it's just unsatisfying to use shotgun sentry
it's really good in some places
but then "I wish I had burst" almost everywhere else
high orchid
and it's horrible if you stack sentry cpu speed
serene jewel
I mean even on default it will shoot twice per enemy
...even if it kills it with the first shot
high orchid
funny seeing the sentry turn into a machine gun yet it misses like 9 shots on an already dead enemy
serene jewel
cpu speed shotgun is even worse than auto at guzzling tool refill
also I tried cpu speed sniper, it's alright
upbeat sail
and it's horrible if you stack sentry cpu speed
to be fair I play without boosters normally
serene jewel
I'm wondering if I should max cpu speed or just leave it with muted+bold
analog flicker
most of them give you plenty of tool ammo aswell
Giving the shotgun sentry tool ammo nearly after every alarm is not always the priority
serene jewel
(do it anyways)
analog flicker
Burst sentry being decent dmg/stagger/ammo efficiency is generally just a better/more versatile pick
Sniper sentry on select levels with it getting slightly buffed
burnt flume
sniper sentry my beloved, it's pretty damn good
upbeat sail
its good as long as you place it in a spot where enemies will hover around in front of it
like on reactors
upbeat sail
Giving the shotgun sentry tool ammo nearly after every alarm is not always the p...
though what else are you giving the tool ammo too
upbeat sail
the only overkill with mines is accidentally blowing yourself up lol
real jackal
..12 mines in a small hallway
upbeat sail
real jackal
what possibly can go wrong?
upbeat sail
I mean there are rarely levels where thats viable lmao
real jackal
hammr
wispy bluff
Good luck.
One of the most technologically cursed levels in the game.
Bugs that increase difficulty, stable 20 FPS experience...
wispy bluff
.t lfg
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keen elbow
i wish there was region indicator for beginner lfg
sometimes i get really bad lag to host and everything is standing still then i die 😦
pseudo horizon
🥲
sharp owl
wait @wispy bluff @flat perch is that image of the apparel mirrored
the robot hand is his left there
but when you play with it your right arm is the robot
flat perch
right ye
i get endless satisfaction watching the shining chrome effect as its gripping the elevator boom
sharp owl
weird
but yeah that's a good one
personally i just really like gloves
also i don't like bulky sleeves they suck to look at while you grip a gun
its like having tree trunks for arms
wispy bluff
i get endless satisfaction watching the shining chrome effect as its gripping th...
Same thing, actually. When you get to look at it with textures: FULL - it is very mesmerising.
Whish I could use something besides pistols though...
I'm surprised they haven't made the double hand variant yet. Preferably on a different armor pattern too.
Probably can't use dragonscale, but I think it would go hard on something like uh... SMC Cut.
keen elbow
built my pc last year so i get to enjoy max everything
honest shadow
anyone know which sentry is best for r8e2 secondary?
burnt garnet
Burst/Sniper both work
gray pilot
anyone know which sentry is best for r8e2 secondary?
omg you are the guy from fodys stream 😮
big fan
honest shadow
💀
honest shadow
Burst/Sniper both work
thx dawg
fringe marsh
what does LF1 LF2 means?
fringe marsh
thx for the explain
sharp owl
i would greatly enjoy a kill counter
like i killed this many sleepers this expedition
or this many as an all time thing
Pen and paper
blissful bison
Is it not possible to join a mid game lobby after that lobby passed a certain part of a lvl?
.
I was trying to join a friend's r1d1 before reactor shutdown but I didn't get the red join button. The team slot is not Bots Only and we made sure the lobby code is correct
lost lynx
Is it not possible to join a mid game lobby after that lobby passed a certain pa...
you can join at any time
lost lynx
Is it not possible to join a mid game lobby after that lobby passed a certain pa...
does the team slot says "locked"?
keen elbow
i would greatly enjoy a kill counter
What if I don't want to know how little kills my teammates have
sharp owl
turn off in menu
blissful bison
does the team slot says "locked"?
It's bot and player. Also, it's actually possible to join right before extract? Feels a bit cheaty if that's possible
silk blade
just count how many times orange hitmarker appears and remember it
unless ur client cause then its innacurate and you cant count
wraith marsh
i would greatly enjoy a kill counter
closest you can get is damageindicator
waxen patrol
yo is it normal to run into 14 big guys in 1 room
junior latch
Depends on the level and zone
waxen patrol
it was R1B1
knotty tangle
I can vouch, I was there
waxen patrol
it was humorously terrifying
waxen patrol
yeah that foggy place
waxen patrol
that's quite horrifying for a second level lol
junior latch
theres an open room divider between 2 decently sized rooms so you get double the giants in 1 bullet shot
You can completely avoid them (zone isnt mandatory)
and dont have to kill any
waxen patrol
we did, we had to weave through em and thankfully we didnt wake em up
the remaining objective things were in there sadly
so we had to brave the room
knotty tangle
I'm surprised none of them heard the 2 loud ass lock breakings
knotty tangle
...oh
junior latch
you can avoid every zone but zone 43 (this one is mandatory)
most of this you will find out with proper terminal useage
good to learn early
But hey ya survived 
waxen patrol
Ah, well we're a bit late lol
Thank you
I walked into that room saying "as long as there's only two or three we should be able to handle it" and it just got more and more insane the further in I snuck
knotty tangle
Ahem
we
waxen patrol
I'll have you know I took point
knotty tangle
sshhhhut
junior latch
XD
but yea
Those are 2 different rooms
the stair case up is where the rooms are divided
waxen patrol
So basically... One room had 5 giants, and the other had NINE
It definitely tested me and borpo's coordination and strategy
waxen patrol
Perhaps I missed a few in the first room and there was more than 14, the second room definitely had 8 or 9 tho
Surprisingly easy to miss em, for being twice the size of a person
junior latch
couldve been 6 and 8 for example
sharp owl
you know what
they should make it so headless sleeperinos can't shout
they dont have vocal cords anymore i think
knotty bobcat
Is there a cosmetic that is just.. no backpack?
silk blade
Is there a cosmetic that is just.. no backpack?
closest is one of the canisters
knotty bobcat
I'm using that one
silk blade
trican or canteen runner?
wispy bluff
Is there a cosmetic that is just.. no backpack?
Nope, not yet.
You can pick very compact ones though.
Canteens, the one that looks like diving gear...
burnt isle
aw
knotty bobcat
trican or canteen runner?
Trican
silk blade
i prefer canteen runner tbh
pulsar sigil
Gerz X Bread stream when
burnt flume
You should've been there for Brazil skip
wraith marsh
what happened in brazil? 😳
little ridge
"Stays in Brazil" I guess
wraith marsh
this bit sucks I regret participating
knotty bobcat
Is it just me that don't like any of the balance changes to the weapons?
little ridge
this bit sucks I regret participating
😦
wraith marsh
the bit itself not you
knotty bobcat
Hel Shotgun and Revolver miiight be my new favorite loadout
knotty bobcat
Hel Shotgun does a surprising amount of dmg if you're point blank
Else you can kinda stagger alot of small stuff infront of you
civic axle
for the amount of shots you get, definitely
pine root
Hel Shotgun does a surprising amount of dmg if you're point blank
Else you can k...
another believer to the cult
wicked tendon
I should try it out at some point
I've mostly just been using the double tap bc I like how it feels..
rose nova
Is it just me that don't like *any* of the balance changes to the weapons?
really? hel gun hel autopistol burst rifle literally got buffs
knotty bobcat
Like yay buffs!
But like
Why not more. They're still below average imo
Was excited to see the burst rifle buffed
But then it turned out to be a nothing burger and I was disappointed
And I also think they just
Didn't buff the right things either
Scattergun buff
Really?
They thought the scattergun of all things needed a buff?
pine root
scatter gun was a tad weak
knotty bobcat
Actually
There's 1 change I like
Burst cannon. That one feels nice now
pine root
needs 4 bullets in mag so it can kill 2 moms before reload
knotty bobcat
scatter gun was a tad weak
It was absolutely not a tad weak
rose nova
i mean hel gun even with the 0.2 still makes a huge difference
hammer and bat changes are super based
knotty bobcat
needs 4 bullets in mag so it can kill 2 moms before reload
Oh 😂
rose nova
knife too
knotty bobcat
Knife is OK
You can stagger giants with it. So it's not useless
But like
What you gonna do once you run out of limbs?
wraith marsh
it dies very fast if you get the stealth start
knotty bobcat
Granted I've not tried the knife yet
So maybe my opinion will change once I do
wraith marsh
if you dont, then dont knife it
knotty bobcat
it dies very fast if you get the stealth start
What's the breakpoints for the knife?
wraith marsh
its hitbox is just so shit it doesnt matter
getting anything but the head is inconsistent as fuck
knotty bobcat
Knife charge time from 0.5 to 0.6
Just to annoy me
knotty bobcat
0.5 is so perfect
1 divided by 2
What is this 0.6
1 divided by 5 multiplied by 3? 🤮
Also
Nerf Sawed off back to 3 shots in a mag
And hel revo to 6 shots a mag
Thank you
silk blade
0.5 is so perfect
1 divided by 2
What is this 0.6
1 divided by 5 multiplied by ...
i never saw reason for people to go wild over the .5 -> .6
theres still the full second attack animation
knotty bobcat
It's just annoying
rose nova
i don't notice it at all but that's a me thing
also sawed off with 4 it's funny idc
knotty bobcat
It changes virtually nothing substantial balance wise on the knife
It's just slightly longer to be annoying
It's like the fucking microbuffs in overwatch
"Hey we finally buffed mercy!
We gave her 5 more bullets in her pistol!"
That's not a buff
That's a nothing actually changed
Technically it's a buff
But realistically it does nothing
rose nova
it's like hel gun for me where people were losing their minds at 0.3 but said at 0.2 nothing changed
it changes
u just don't feel it as much
but it is
strange ember
Anyone need a 4th?
knotty bobcat
it's like hel gun for me where people were losing their minds at 0.3 but said at...
That's a 50% charge rate buff
Knife is a 20% charge rate nerf
Numbers be popping
rose nova
it's a nothing thing to say the %
knotty bobcat
Yeah. Being devil's advocate
people just like bringing up percentages for small shit like that
Autopistol is a 50% dmg buff :)
So now it takes you uh
15 bullets to kill a striker
Instead of 20
Is the gun good now?
Yeeeah- no
knotty bobcat
Funny ain't it
junior latch
the knife change doesnt change huge things
but it feels a lot worse because people are used to 0.5
And if you hit at 0.5 you dont kill with a headshot rn
junior latch
So now it takes you uh
15 bullets to kill a striker
Instead of 20
imagine bodyshotting lol
knotty bobcat
Why fucking 0.6
junior latch
anyway, hel pp is rly good
little ridge
I'll still refuse to use anything that aint hammer
knotty bobcat
imagine bodyshotting lol
Fair point
little ridge
And no amount of Messages offered by the spear/bat/knife cult are going to change that
silk blade
It changes virtually nothing substantial balance wise on the knife
It's just sli...
i assure you, you would no have noticed if they didnt say a thing
junior latch
well tbh its a cult
knotty bobcat
I just like the stab hitbox tbh
rose nova
welcome to the bat cult, i am the only member
junior latch
i assure you, you would no have noticed if they didnt say a thing
you would if you play knife
silk blade
but when i hear my character going "HAAAAH HUUU HAAAA HUUUUUUU"
i want to stop using it
knotty bobcat
i assure you, you would no have noticed if they didnt say a thing
I will
keen elbow
i want to cry
silk blade
you would if you play knife
i do play knife
little ridge
spear cult?
One can never be too cautious these days
keen elbow
got to r2d2 last wave
silk blade
i did not notice a change that made any difference
keen elbow
but we ran out of turret ammo and got swarmed
silk blade
the buffs to knife are very good though
junior latch
do you tend to play fast with knife
or calm
fast knife gameplay feels weird
the rythm is off
silk blade
do you tend to play fast with knife
i do not crouch
junior latch
that just means you dont sleep with knife
silk blade
i use all 4 semi often
yea
ig i didnt use it enough for it to be like
ingrained in me or w/e
knotty bobcat
i did not notice a change that made any difference
Skill issue then
Cuz you can definitely notice it during chain stabbing or loud
sharp siren
i use all 4 semi often
no no you gotta sleep with the knife
junior latch
more than a one night stand tho
silk blade
dude
sharp siren
because it affects my argument
silk blade
i love knife dont get me wrong
BUT
i cant solo giants with it
well i can but only if the giant doesnt spin around
junior latch
i cant solo giants with it
i cant either (havent tried, probably wont tho)
knotty bobcat
Even just charging it normally I can feel the difference
I can't time it
But I can feel it.
It's just an annoying change
It did virtually nothing to change it
It's just annoying
silk blade
now you do enough to break limbs if u hit the back
sharp siren
i cant solo giants with it
you talking like thats a requirement for been good with a melee
its not
robust apex
is there language specific lfg?
silk blade
you talking like thats a requirement for been good with a melee
yea but i like soloing giants
sharp siren
then donnt let your dreams be dreams
wicked tendon
is there language specific lfg?
Your best bet would probably just to specify a language when you post lfgs
burnt flume
before you literally couldnt
it just needed you to bait out like 10 swings
robust apex
i cant solo giants with it
I thought giants can't be stealth killed solo
silk blade
it just needed you to bait out like 10 swings
i cant call potentially losing 400% of my health soloing lOl
sharp siren
I thought giants can't be stealth killed solo
we have literally an achievement for that
lusty river
I thought giants can't be stealth killed solo
😱
robust apex
how do you kill solo stealth tho?
burnt flume
anyway part of my feels that increasing knife charge time and giving it the potential to limb break giants in 1 hit is a step towards everything being homogenised
lusty river
how do you kill solo stealth tho?
Limb stagger
silk blade
knife does too now if you land perfect back shots
burnt flume
although it is objectively good for the viability of the knife
silk blade
knife needs MORE damage.
give it spear precision, hammer charged, bat stagger, and knife charge time
lusty river
How to kill giant solo stealth (EASY): use odd syringe
sharp siren
Dens of wolf will fix all these issues
silk blade
the weapon to end all weapons
silk blade
Dens of wolf will fix all these issues
dog den adding the Knife V2 (its a sci fi laser knife) that one shots all enemies in stealth
robust apex
I mean everything is balanced around everything being viable
like knife is awesome for clearing room fast
hammer is overall good for everything
silk blade
I mean everything is balanced around everything being viable
now at least...
hammer got a stagger nerf
robust apex
how it was before?
silk blade
r8
wispy bluff
I mean everything is balanced around everything being viable
Somewhat untrue
sharp siren
how it was before?
the same shit
wispy bluff
Or... Well. I guess it is true that everything is "viable"
The only thing that was unviable was old bullpup
silk blade
bat is now the staggerer
knotty bobcat
Isn't it impossible to tap stagger a striker now?
knotty bobcat
I mean Yeah but talking about the nerf
Like I can't think of much else the light stagger nerf was for
silk blade
just use bat
robust apex
so what is the best melee then?
knotty bobcat
so what is the best melee then?
Hammer
silk blade
so what is the best melee then?
it depends on what ur good at
junior latch
The only thing that was unviable was old bullpup
even that was viable
being viable means being able to clear stuff with it
robust apex
damn it takes ages to charge tho
lusty river
Big charge = big damage tho 🥺
junior latch
and old bullpup wasnt even detrimental, it was bad
sharp siren
ok eva very cool 👍
junior latch
i mean like old old
knotty bobcat
damn it takes ages to charge tho
Hits heads. Backs and occupits then you don't gotta charge cuz the hammer does fucking 20 at base
robust apex
I mean dude with a knife clears sleeper room way faster than dude with a hammer
silk blade
I mean dude with a knife clears sleeper room way faster than dude with a hammer
dude with a knife blows up on a giant
junior latch
it definetly didnt make a run harder than it should be
it just wasnt the best weapon with reload and dmg
knotty bobcat
I mean dude with a knife clears sleeper room way faster than dude with a hammer
Knife when giants: 
lusty river
I mean dude with a knife clears sleeper room way faster than dude with a hammer
Now do room full of chargers 😏
knotty bobcat
Knife when chargers:
silk blade
u can do chargers now cant u with knife
knotty bobcat
Knife when shadows:
silk blade
the back does more dmg now
lusty river
You can
knotty bobcat
Knife when anything but normal shooters and strikers:
robust apex
so uncharged shot kills sleepers or am I trippin
knotty bobcat
so uncharged shot kills sleepers or am I trippin
No
sharp siren
it definetly didnt make a run harder than it should be
it just wasnt the best we...
all the primaries in og r3 where pretty much on par
lusty river
Use spear and instantly regret it
junior latch
oh mb, i meant og r6 
sharp siren
you said old old
wicked tendon
The knife felt fine when I was clearing charger rooms today
sharp siren
i was there when it was written
knotty bobcat
If you hit a striker in the occupit you only need to charge to 25% iirc
sharp siren
yougling
sharp siren
but yeah og r3 was pretty balance aside from the shotguns tbh
silk blade
hammer -> well rounded, the best if you are good
spear -> super safe cause of the range, but slow and eats up stamina. kind of a crutch ppl get too used to
bat -> stagger
knife -> fast but no stagger
??? -> only bots get this one
silk blade
i want the bot melee
lusty river
Bat when I can stunlock the mom 😏
junior latch
spear is
silk blade
bot melee, 2 second charge up for 16 damage
knotty bobcat
Bat when I can stunlock the mom 😏
Okay fair but would you really subject yourself to using the bat for a mom on a level
silk blade
what are they using???
lusty river
Okay fair but would you really subject yourself to using the bat for a mom on a ...
Just for funsies
sharp siren
what are they using???
shitty developer decision
pine root
Bat's gotta be the worst melee
bat is not worst
silk blade
shitty developer decision
what are the stats
knotty bobcat
bot melee, 2 second charge up for 16 damage
Me thinking the bot helped during stealth but he actually left the striker alive and now it screamed
sharp siren
literally 16 damage and just 1 on stagger
silk blade
lol
sharp siren
they can get crits
silk blade
bot melee
civic axle
I like bat the most tbh
knotty bobcat
they can get crits
can
If they ever actually bother hiting the head
civic axle
good balance of speed and damage
sharp siren
**can**
If they ever actually bother hiting the head
they do tho
knotty bobcat
they do tho
They've never for me
silk blade
doesnt stagger enough
wicked tendon
I haven't been playing for long, but the spear feels really clunky 😭
sharp siren
I can confidenly tell you they do
knotty bobcat
Actually
Once they did
But somehow didn't kill it
sharp siren
they just dont compensate for arc nor anything
knotty bobcat
Striker was just missing the head
silk blade
I haven't been playing for long, but the spear feels really clunky 😭
it is slow
spear is long range though
knotty bobcat
I don't trust bot melee
Either they shoot
Or they don't do anything
silk blade
u can hit enemies outside crouch alert rannge
civic axle
i think every melee comes down to preference
except spear
at least knife is very good to clear rooms, but spear isnt good for anything IMO
knotty bobcat
i think every melee comes down to preference
Every melee comes down to being worse than hammer
serene jewel
Is it just me or can bots solo melee giants on their own
silk blade
at least knife is very good to clear rooms, but spear isnt good for anything IMO
spear is good for giants
sharp siren
Is it just me or can bots solo melee giants on their own
sometimes
civic axle
its its not every melee then
:(
silk blade
best for giants
civic axle
well
sharp siren
really rare to see
wicked tendon
it is slow
I just miss being able to run and knife hordes whenever I swap off of it
civic axle
hammer is better for giants
sharp siren
because the giants needs to be agro on someone else
silk blade
I just miss being able to run and knife hordes whenever I swap off of it
so real
sharp siren
and ignore the bot
silk blade
hammer is better for giants
false
knotty bobcat
at least knife is very good to clear rooms, but spear isnt good for anything IMO
Giants
Scouts
Stealth
Actually kinda underrated for a defensive melee hold around corners or in doorways
silk blade
spear can hit giants outside melee range
civic axle
Every melee comes down to being worse than hammer
i think bat is the best weapon for loud, the stun-locking is really useful
knotty bobcat
hammer is better for giants
No
silk blade
spear IS the giant killer
serene jewel
Just bait the tentacle attack on a giant, no big deal
knotty bobcat
i think bat is the best weapon for loud, the stun-locking is really useful
You know what's more useful than stunlocking an enemy
Killing it
So you can go and kill more
silk blade
Just bait the tentacle attack on a giant, no big deal
u dont even need to do that with spear though
lusty river
spear IS the giant killer
Wrong. Whip out the scattergun
silk blade
Wrong. Whip out the scattergun
TRUEST
civic axle
but again. just my preference
knotty bobcat
idk, sledgehammer timing messes with me so bad
You charge it for 1 second and hit heads
Which is easy with the swing down arc
Smh
civic axle
wicked tendon
How much of the circle is 1s
silk blade
How much of the circle is 1s
1 second
wicked tendon
Damn..
civic axle
I let my teammates take care of giants anyways
knotty bobcat
How much of the circle is 1s
It's a 2 second charge to full
Use math
silk blade
not a team player...
civic axle
I HAVE BIOTRACKER
wicked tendon
It's a 2 second charge to full
Use math
ty
silk blade
real teamates get melee tongue comboed
two slaps and a lick is a full 100%
its the most efficient way to go down
wicked tendon
I haven't used the hammer at all, I'll probably try it next
knotty bobcat
You charge both the bat and hammer for the same amount of time for the same breakpoint
(1 second to 1 hit strikers to the head)
But the hammer is just so much more versatile and useful
pine root
It's a 2 second charge to full
Use math
CAN YOU DO THE MATH IN OUR LETHAL COMPANY SAVE
WE CANT ADD 191
WITH RANDOM NUMBERS
knotty bobcat
WE CANT ADD 191
191 + 2 = 193
pine root
ah 191 != 192
wicked tendon
I do enjoy the knife but, not having a way to kill scouts without giving me a heart attack when I'm running w 3 bots kinda sucks
civic axle
You charge both the bat and hammer for the same amount of time for the same brea...
im sorry but you're not going to convince me dijndfhdfh
knotty bobcat
Scouts with knife is probably the worst
civic axle
i get obliterated when using hammer
knotty bobcat
im sorry but you're not going to convince me dijndfhdfh
This is why we call it a cult
silk blade
I do enjoy the knife but, not having a way to kill scouts without giving me a he...
u can kill with knife though
civic axle
the timing just doesnt work with me in the slightest
wicked tendon
I have a good success rate with killing them but
silk blade
just hit the back of the head
wicked tendon
It just takes so long before I feel like I have a good entry point
silk blade
spear is so simple on scouts ngl...
junior latch
the timing just doesnt work with me in the slightest
start charging earlier (generally a good practice to be charging even when nothing is awoken)
serene jewel
Just use +60% melee booster
knotty bobcat
the timing just doesnt work with me in the slightest
It's the same timing as the bat 😭
It just has a higher full charge if you wanna 1 shot bodyshot
silk blade
real ones throw a mine on the floor in a scout's path
serene jewel
Real ones run up to scout and place it and blow both of them up
silk blade
Real ones run up to scout and place it and blow both of them up
so real
civic axle
I know how to use hammer lol
silk blade
if ur on 20% already not even bad
knotty bobcat
I once tried mining the scout
And then it didn't die to the mine
wicked tendon
I've just elected to shoot the things in the face and just deal with the rest of the room if it's small enough
silk blade
I once tried mining the scout
And then it didn't die to the mine
ur mine is pathetic then
(you were prob too far)
serene jewel
Good luck dealing with 5 scout rooms
silk blade
I've just elected to shoot the things in the face and just deal with the rest of...
literally fair, you can also shoot from far away in rooms with multiple
knotty bobcat
ur mine is pathetic then
Idk how it didn't
I thought the mine did 50 dmg along the entire laser
wicked tendon
Good luck dealing with 5 scout rooms
I'm just bringing a hammer if know I have to deal w that
silk blade
Idk how it didn't
I thought the mine did 50 dmg along the entire laser
fall off
i think?
knotty bobcat
The wiki said the dmg originates from the entire length of the laser in a 3m radius
Iirc
If it touched the laser it has to be within that
vestal geyser
consumable mines do less damage iirc
knotty bobcat
Do mine explosions even have dmg falloff on the radius?
Seems unnecessary to code when there's only 2 things in the game that explodes. And both are mines
vestal geyser
if you used one of those it wont kill
pine root
switch
knotty bobcat
consumable mines do less damage iirc
They don't I don't think
And it was from the mine deployed anyways
Im too lazy to check
Sleep time
night heron
Hey, I just got the game on the steam deck but it freezes before starting the tutorial. I have to restart the deck. Anyone has a tip ?
keen elbow
gtfo on a steam d*ck sounds spicy
lusty river
😱
night heron
It says playable on steam, bummer
I tried couple of different proton. And now I'm lowering the graphics
keen elbow
there are some games i'd play on a steam deck
like risk of rain returns
this game is not one of them
night heron
I don't have a PC and I play a lot of games on it but when it's not running smoothly it says not playable 😅
sharp owl
oh
youre supposed to lower the fog again in r6c3
we were doing it without that and it went not good
man
wicked tendon
I don't think many of us here have steam decks, unfortunately
night heron
Thx for your help 👍🏻