gtfo-chat

[wispy bluff]

Customisable bots are the real solution here.

[junior latch]

its not

its not a feature bots should have rly

[wispy bluff]

I low key enjoyed being force-fed during my R1C1 run

[junior latch]

unless you can make them drop packs back down

But suprise suprise, that has its own real issues

R1C1 has a million ressources

[lunar oriole]

I would hate that since i already lost because of it

[junior latch]

you dont care about them having stuff

play a level with more scarcity and suddenly you hate it

[wispy bluff]

The A reactor level, same issue. Forgot what level was it. A3 something.

[little ridge]

r3a3

Which I wouldn't define as a "level with scarcity" at all but whatever

[junior latch]

yea

[little ridge]

Dont get me wrong

You can justify a lot of possible "changes" with "just make it an option"

[junior latch]

remember

people defended better bots aim bot

[little ridge]

And it'd work since to be disarmingly honest, if guy X wants to run alone with option Y who am I to give a shit

[little ridge]

yes, that's also hilarious 😄

But I think noone would have given a shit if they posted the clears mentioning they did it with better bots

I was getting particularly curious at salad being relatively new and clearing r2e1 with bots or whatever

"Maybe he's cracked at aiming or whatnot"

[humble meteor]

Honestly, I started playing this game about two days ago and I'l already in love with it

[little ridge]

Then again that's more on the people than on the users

[humble meteor]

The setting is incredibly cool

[little ridge]

Remember that there's some guys going around with fucking aimbot

[lunar oriole]

in a game such as this? Why though

[little ridge]

99% sure a guy I met a year ago was aimbotting shit because he kept hs every single stuff inside deep fog

[lunar oriole]

The game is about having the team cooperate and not suck as a whole to begin with

[little ridge]

And I remember someone mentioning a guy spinning around 360 hitting everything

[little ridge]

I dont know man, why do people hack around in this game too?

Why do people spawn tanks in r2a1?

[gusty burrow]

Glad to hear you're enjoying the game!

[lunar oriole]

sure you can carry but when the dopamine hit is seeing two of your team mates dead and managing to beat the rundown by the skin of your teeth it just takes away from the experience doesnt it

[little ridge]

Why do people place mines at extraction then detonate, kill everyone and quit the lobby?

[humble meteor]

My favourite part so far is the worldbuilding

Characters and monsters

[lunar oriole]

ive had way more fun with the roughest rundowns being complete just barely than clean sweeps

[little ridge]

Personally I just think some people outright dont give a shit

Darkeva showed me a guy that was cheating on stream in r2d2

On fucking stream

he basically streamed himself cheating

[sly laurel]

Found resource locker here

[little ridge]

🤷‍♂️

[sly laurel]

Glowsticks here

[lunar oriole]

"this door"

[humble meteor]

Enor pearl

[lunar oriole]

"Sleepers, dont make a sound"

[sly laurel]

AGAHHHHGHH HELP ME

[lunar oriole]

"They sound angry don't they?" - Hacket moments before disaster

[little ridge]

"...maybe the scanner is the problem."

[humble meteor]

getting hit by a stray projectile and having your character experience an anxiety attack

[balmy moat]

Try getting targeted all the time by any projectile 😭

Always me

[humble meteor]

Running dry in middle of a horde

[regal mauve]

void try not to get hit by a shooter (impossible)

[humble meteor]

The worst feeling

[lunar oriole]

"AUGH" - Anyone taking fall damage
"Do you need your mommy? Move on" - Bishop being a savage

[little ridge]

I really hate Bishop

[balmy moat]

It's fine but when you have several hybrids in D2 shooting your ass and only after your ass ignoring your teammates it's annoying

[humble meteor]

Isn't bishop the human trafficker?

[lunar oriole]

No

bishop is the religious lunatic

[humble meteor]

Ah

[little ridge]

no

that's Woods

[lunar oriole]

Oh?

[little ridge]

The second best character after Dauda

[lunar oriole]

My memory fails me

[regal mauve]

just don't get hit. become neo

[lunar oriole]

I guess he is the human trafficker and i just forgot

[wicked solstice]

that one Dauda taking damage line never fails to make me laugh

if you know you know

[little ridge]

woods's security, dauda is a scientist, either bishop or hackett had something to do with IT

[wicked solstice]

i think bishop

hackett doesn’t give IT vibes

[balmy moat]

It was either bishop or hacket that was the engineer right

[wicked solstice]

nah that’s henrikkson

[balmy moat]

Pretty sure there is one on the team as well

[wicked solstice]

I don’t think either of them were actually engineers

Could be wrong

[little ridge]

Ain't Schaeffer an engineer?

[lunar oriole]

Based on voice lines i've heard

Woods - Serious no bs guy
Dauda - Calm cool dude that is prone to panicking
Bishop - Asshole
Hackett - Comic relief, Glorious bastard (long story that i shall explain if asked)

Actually imma explain it anyways

[wicked solstice]

i feel like you can swap bishop and hackett

I’ve never really seen him do anything assholey

[balmy moat]

Bishop is the IT dude

[humble meteor]

I know that one of them tried blackmailing some guy and got fucked for it

[lunar oriole]

I was rolling a 2 man with hackett and bishop as the bots because thats how it works. Me and my buddy were respectively C-foam and Mine since we didnt trust the bots while hacket was turret and bishop was scan

whole mission went well but then at the end with the waves from the error alarm (going for PE) We C-foamed the a doorway from a previous scan and I put two mines close to it as we were scanning

for some reason. I think Hackett ran out of ammo because he stopped shooting picked up his melee and ran towards a giant that was about to step on a mine

[humble meteor]

[lunar oriole]

i dont need to say Hackett didnt make it but damn. Comic gold

[humble meteor]

Leeroy Jenkins recreated

[cursive bane]

damn scout fucks me over everytime

i think I should just hit them in the head even if the detect me, the she don't have the time to scream

[earnest forge]

If you are fast enough, you might as well. It will wake the room up, but at least you do not get the Scout punishing wave

[humble meteor]

By the way, How good is the spear?

[cursive bane]

with my shotgun or maybe I can be fast enough to charge my hzmmrr

[humble meteor]

I've been testing out both it and the hammer

[humble meteor]

Best if you approach it for a kill as it's retracting tentacles

[coarse grail]

The fact that you can't sprint properly while charging the spear ruins it

[humble meteor]

Atleast that's what worked for me

[cursive bane]

I dont understand, If I only charge my melee a bit and not to 100% does it still boost damage ?

[junior latch]

it does

[wispy bluff]

It's okay. Just forget about the sprint button and aim for the head.

Otherwise just skip the pretenses and start learning hammer, aka the one true melee.

[cursive bane]

it's like for every 25% I charge I boost the damage a bit ?

[junior latch]

no every % does

its (iirc) cubic tho

[coarse grail]

the early charge only adds a bit of damage, the last bit of charge adds a lot

[junior latch]

so the longer you charge (until full charge) the more increase

[coarse grail]

Yes its cubic

[cursive bane]

okay thanjs

[lunar oriole]

I possess a question regarding the spear and knife

[wispy bluff]

Mah favorite

[lunar oriole]

Does their bonus headshot damage still applies to charges or spiky scouts

[balmy moat]

Spikey scouts 😭

[lunar oriole]

Since they dont take extra headshot damage

[wispy bluff]

Nope. Chargers have no precision weakpoint therefore no bonus.

[lunar oriole]

So spears fail in the one place they would exceed

Damn

[wispy bluff]

To be fair:

You shouldn't really melee chargers to begin with. Not in an open fight, that is.

Other melees still do fine with backstabbing them.

You just need to exercise a teaspoon of extra caution.

[lunar oriole]

In my head itd make more sense for melee's to be separate in specialization just like some weapons. Have the club and hammer be general use while knife and spear start specializing in a way that Knife = Better for dealing with chargers bc they would be able to do the headshot damage hammer and club would not be able to and then have spear specialize for spiky scout

My take is a bit bad since it denies the fact melee should always be useful but eh

[wispy bluff]

Knife already has a specialisation - it's a small enemy menace.

[lunar oriole]

Yep

Spear tho

[wispy bluff]

Spear is a giant duel tool.

[lunar oriole]

Doesnt the hammer just do it better because stagger

[wispy bluff]

Spear's range makes it so you will never get punched unless lag.

Then you just break limbs.

It's boring, but reliable.

A couple of extra buffs there and there and it's golden as a comfort no skill tool.

Bat is the only truly problematic melee because it's just overshadowed by its big brother that does everything better.

[lunar oriole]

Ive been told several times by players more experienced than me that club is for support, knife is for saving time and that spear is useless

[junior latch]

bat for support

[lunar oriole]

While hammer is just The meta™️

[junior latch]

what do you even support lol

[quartz cape]

Support the hel autopistol user

[lunar oriole]

According to them the quicker attack complimented by stagger helps with safer giant/hybrid killing

[burnt flume]

You perma stagger in case something wakes up, which you can do anyway with hammer

Hybrids are pretty safe to kill regardless if you play cover/bait melees

[lunar oriole]

Yet again i wanna start debate

[wispy bluff]

Don't, it's a vicious cycle.

[lunar oriole]

Pick a side. Fast machinegun or Slow machinegun

[wispy bluff]

And solution is known already: hammer just needs the nerf hammer (irony intended).

[wispy bluff]

Slow.

[lunar oriole]

One of my people I see.

[balmy moat]

Veruta >>>

[normal lake]

Spear is useless because if your even somewhat good at hammer you can mitigate all the downsides of using hammer instead of spear, aka range, but being good with spear will never let you clear rooms as fast as hammer

spears niche is literally being a cruch for new players who are still afraid of multi kills and scouts

and anti meta players who still wanna have a semi easy time solo stealth killing a giant

[wispy bluff]

I see spear as a comfort tool really

It's just so low maintance

[cursive bane]

I'm on giant's path on the 2nd level of the first act, and I do not know if all ennemies that I did not kill will wake up or just fuck me over when I need to extract (cause I need to hurry up, hordes will spawn until i extract)

Should I just run past them at the end or kill them ?

[lunar oriole]

As long as you dont trigger a scout i think youre fine

[junior latch]

test it out

its all about preparing and learning

[wispy bluff]

Turning stealth into chilling. You just casually stroll from victim to victim with no worries.

[normal lake]

i genuinely do not understand how one defines a tool as low maintance

[lunar oriole]

I think he meant low maintenance as low skill ceiling. Like the difference between sniper and shotgun on an fps like battlefied

If you play sniper and then stop for a month youre gonna have to invoke muscle memory

Over the period of a day or two

[normal lake]

i mean you dont have to bhop sprint through levels with hammer you can just stroll around and chill

[wispy bluff]

You very much do

[lunar oriole]

If you play hammer theres is definitely a meta and strats you gotta do to play well while spear is a dont care and dont need to care

[wispy bluff]

I imagine charging breakpoints on hammer are slightly delayed when it comes to headshots.

And because of range spear will win the strolling adventure race

[sharp owl]

Honestly agree

[lunar oriole]

Consistent mediocrity

[wispy bluff]

You pick hammer - you invoke the spirit of oonga boonga. That's the point.

[ivory radish]

in meele you should always charge up right? left click seems to be absoluty worthless

[sharp owl]

But its more of a convenience thing

[sharp owl]

Yes*

[lunar oriole]

I only charge up 70-ish percent unless we are doing a coordinated attacked

[ivory radish]

question, there are 4 sleeping creatures next to each other. If i repeatley push them one after another, can my friend kil them without anyone screaming?

[lunar oriole]

For basic sleepers that is

[wispy bluff]

Usually yes, but it depends.

[normal lake]

depends on the enemy

[wispy bluff]

Hammer and bat stunlock small enemies with quick attacks.

[cursive bane]

I mean they'll chase us if we run past them

[lunar oriole]

At that point I grab a friend and kill 2 at a time

[cursive bane]

aren't they faster .

[wispy bluff]

Just keep spamming their skull - you will win eventually.

[ivory radish]

@wispy bluffahh ok, spear user here 🙂

[lunar oriole]

Why are you running past them isntead of sneaking past?

Hell. Walking past

[sharp owl]

Not that you should do that

[normal lake]

just walk forward two steps with hammer and its to the same effect

[sharp owl]

As a first resort

[cursive bane]

in the first mission they were waves of ennemies coming at the end of the mission

[sharp owl]

Always charge up a full attack if able to

[cursive bane]

and eventually come to me, when they will arrive I won't be able to sneak -

[lunar oriole]

Thats different. That is an error alarm

[sharp owl]

Extraction

[ivory radish]

Are all extrations infinite alarms?

[wispy bluff]

Spear gets the kill slightly faster, changes target slightly faster, can get more angled kills like from top or bottom of stairs etc.

[normal lake]

kill the ones attacking you or let someone else in your group hold the waves while you stealth

[sharp owl]

I like to think that extraction alarms last forever and never turn off just so sleepers are in eternal torment and can never go back to sleep

[lunar oriole]

Artek you are here adamantly defending the spear as a viable "chill weapon" when from a tactical stand point its a bit doomed. I want it to be good and so I suggested the buff of "Have it be able to effortlessly kill chargers and spiky scouts so it find its niche"

[normal lake]

counter point, if an enemy wakes up 10 paces away because of a mistimed kill or because you didnt see it, a light tap of shift to get you there saves the day

[modern coral]

That niche makes no sense, tho, lol.

[sharp owl]

Everything is a viable chill weapon because everything does damage

[wispy bluff]

That's not happening.

While it would be hilarious if spear became a charger killer... Not happening. That's their entire point.

Chargers shit on everything precision and require dem big boolets.

[normal lake]

yeah that and any melee one tapping a charger scout instantly ruins the difficulty surrounding them

[wispy bluff]

Spear one true niche is being a giant duelist. It's like a sniper rifle of melee weapons. Extended range helps it to stay safe from punches and high precision nukes sporeheads in all their forms.

It just needs to be a little bit extra better at that and we can call it truly a day.

[sharp owl]

Spear balance discussion #637192

[normal lake]

see this would make sense if it was for the fact that hammer fucking destroyes giants anyways

[lunar oriole]

Actually. That reminds me of a question I was gonna ask. When exactly are you gonna be 1v1'ing a giant that is by itself?

By that point the giant alerted the whole room

[wispy bluff]

That's the thing: he doesn't.

[modern coral]

Bat, Hammer, and Spear can 1v1 in stealth.

[lunar oriole]

and if it's just the giant your team is just gonna curb stomp it

[wispy bluff]

I would know.

[normal lake]

bro ive fuckin 1v3ed giants with melee before

[lunar oriole]

you did not. I refuse to believe

[normal lake]

play corners you wont stealth them at that point

[lunar oriole]

i call so much cap rn

[wispy bluff]

Another great idea to buff spear is to copypaste the dagger stealth bonus onto it.

[normal lake]

fuckin r7c3 literally no ammo just goofing around practicing melee stealth kills

[wispy bluff]

It might actually straight up break it, lol.

But whatever it takes.

[lunar oriole]

You know. now I believe you

[lunar oriole]

because of this

[normal lake]

its absolutely doable but its unrealistic

in a normal run you should never be alone meleeing more than a single giant

[wispy bluff]

Just one more +0.1x prec

[normal lake]

at that point just gotta pull out the nerf guns and eat the ammo

[sharp owl]

Faster charge less damage

Spear shouldn't be dealing shittons of damage

The niche is its range

[wispy bluff]

Then it will just become better knife, no?

[normal lake]

yeah spear really does not need to do more damage

[wispy bluff]

Although yes, it needs to charge faster for certain

[sharp owl]

Slower knife with more range and a reliable hitbox

[lunar oriole]

The true yikes moment. Put a situation in place during a balance disussion of GTFO and one of two things will arise, A - That situation shouldnt even be happening unless you did something wrong, or B - Teammates exist so that situation is easily solvable by numbers

[normal lake]

knife has those buffs because its a speed precision weapon

[cursive bane]

Okay my bad there is no alarm in the second level like in the first

[sharp owl]

Yup

[lunar oriole]

if you are having to 1v3 giants with melee there is no way you didnt screw up balancing your ammo and waste at least 4 ammo packs

[cursive bane]

well I finished this mission with ease.

it's fun

[modern coral]

It's not a particularly unrealistic scenario that you'll end up at least 1v1ing giants to maintain stealth or to save ammo.

[normal lake]

You forgot C. Having a fun time on a A or B tier level after pulling a hold my beer so your friends are just watching you get mauled

[modern coral]

Like, this is happening all the time in early parts of R5E1.

[ivory radish]

using ammo pack uses 20% of it and gives exactly + 20% ammo?

[normal lake]

1v1 is common but he was refering to the 1v3 scenario i mentioned earlier that basically never happens

[sharp owl]

When you have 2 people that can alternate full charges with skedgehammes what's the point

[lunar oriole]

That is a realistic expectation yes. but 1v2'ing or 1v3'ing tho

[coarse grail]

around 20% to main, 30-35%ish to special

[lunar oriole]

even in a 1v1 you wouldnt need the spear for that since there is likely someone out of the other 3 with nothing to do and could give a hand

[ivory radish]

@coarse grailboth at once?

[modern coral]

The point is that you sometimes end up fighting 2+ giants at once, and sometimes only one person can easily reach a far giant.

[coarse grail]

Yes it refills both at once so its important to use both guns and keep your ammo balanced

[modern coral]

That's not really true, though. I still wouldn't use spear, but temporary if not full 1v1s happen often enough that it's an essential skill.

[normal lake]

bro with hammer you can practically perma stagger a single giant and its honestly not hard

[ivory radish]

combat shotgun is the most ammo effecient weapon in the game right?!

[modern coral]

Yes.

[normal lake]

bad luck with lag fucks all melee so i dont really count that

if you fuck up a stagger just wait for a giant to go for the lick animation then go back in for the stagger loop while hes stuck in an animation

[lunar oriole]

point stands, the one place the spear does best is still negated by saying you have team mates and if even that is out of the picture for some reason you can still do it with the hammer that is gonna be more useful overall throughout the rundown

[modern coral]

The point was never that Spear is "better," though.

[lunar oriole]

wait it isnt?

[modern coral]

It just achieves a role as a giant counter more easily.

[wispy bluff]

The problem is not that other melees are weak. The problem is that hammer is too strong.

[lunar oriole]

shit I majorly misinterpreted

[modern coral]

Hell, I will 1v1 giants to save time in the context of comfort/vibing.

[wispy bluff]

For now hammer is an answer to all. Others melees are specialists.

[lunar oriole]

this I will jump on your boat and die on the same mountain

[ivory radish]

fun fact, never used hammer, going with spear cos everyone is using the hammer and i just dont want to be the "another guy" 😄

[wispy bluff]

Hello, fellow meta hater.

[lunar oriole]

I go with bat because im lazy and dont wanna have to 1v1 things bigger than me

[normal lake]

but you also cant nerf hammer without ending up with a mod that reverts it the next day because the only really viable nerf is sprinting

[lunar oriole]

just kill small sleepers and scouts until one guy says "Need help here" to which it's bat to the rescue

[ivory radish]

i still dont know what spear does best etc...i just charge and insta kill every week ones. Havent fought a giant or anything else with it

[modern coral]

Nerfing stagger would be big, though.

[normal lake]

would be great

but its still by far the best melee

[lunar oriole]

that would kill the bat unless it didnt affect it

[mystic moss]

but i wanna keep hammering moms

[lunar oriole]

Phrasing much?

[normal lake]

built better

[lunar oriole]

that is what we've been talking about. Knife outdoes spear in killing small sleepers, Hammer outdoes spear in every other department and Bat gives better stagger (I think, this one might be me speaking bull)

[ivory radish]

@lunar orioleso all that spear has is a bit more range?

[wispy bluff]

Hammer staggers better than bat.

Spear has more range and kills faster with headshots (less charge needed)

[lunar oriole]

Better stagger than the spear

[modern coral]

You can't 4-man melee mom w/ bat I don't believe.

Only hammer.

[lunar oriole]

Not even I believe that

and im bad at the game

aint no way people are gonna kill a mom with just bats

[modern coral]

But you can w/ hammer.

[lunar oriole]

Yeah

[wispy bluff]

Whenever I want to buff spear further - Darkeva counters me that it will shit on bosses.
And I'm like... Yeah? And?

[normal lake]

honestly spear is just the single weapon in the game whose niche just isnt useful comparative to the trade offs, but bats stagger def should be higher then hammer there is no reason hammer stagger should be so high

[ivory radish]

i am right? spear does 17.5 fully charged and has 1.5 precision. So if i hit head i gona do 26,25?

[wispy bluff]

Yes. Then that is multiplied by enemy's natural weakpoint multiplier.

[normal lake]

yes

[ivory radish]

Is precision only head or also the back?

[last parrot]

head only

[wispy bluff]

Only heads.

[last parrot]

||(and tumors)||

[ivory radish]

oh ok, so vs giants you should go for head with spear but with the hammer you go for body?

[wispy bluff]

Depends

[coarse grail]

Hammer likes to hit the head too but spear gets more out of it

[wispy bluff]

If you have a spear nearby - let them get the first strike.

Otherwise just do it.

[last parrot]

i don't think it deals enough damage to kill a hit early

[wispy bluff]

Hammer can deal up to 60 damage to giant strikers.
Spear deals up to 78.75

[ivory radish]

so spear has some good point after all!

[wispy bluff]

Somewhat.

It's not needed, but it's nice to have to reduce error margins

I still wish it dealt 80 though

[ivory radish]

isnt bat much worse to kill stuff? only 12 max damage fully charged?

[lunar oriole]

i think there is a difficult balance because if bat stagger is buffed then bat becomes almost a must just like bio tracker. If nerf hammer stagger than it probably becomes unviable at giant killing

[modern coral]

You don't need that much damage to kill smalls, and bat has a fairly fast charge.

Same for giant limb breaks, bat requires more skill to use in those cases but it's still plenty viable.

[rose nova]

bats more made to be a backbone if a hamer fucks up the soloing to provide quick stagger for its quick charge

it can solo a giants its just, harder

[last parrot]

everything can solo giants

how difficult it is matters more

[modern coral]

I ain't about to bait melee 10 times in a row for the knife stealth giant solo.

[last parrot]

which is why knife needs a buff

[burnt flume]

Nobody reasonably would

[wispy bluff]

One thing I can say for spear is that you can kill giant sporeheads (shooters and hybrids) in clean 2 hits, as long as at least one of them is a perfect occi.

[lunar oriole]

never tried it, i just shoot them

[burnt flume]

Even with spear having a higher prec multi idk if it matters whether spear or Hammer hits first

[balmy moat]

Everybody: Nope

Bread: shadow giant hehehe

[burnt flume]

Maybe you need 1 more hit but whatever

[normal lake]

if we are talking giants it makes literally no difference since a occi and 2 back hits full charge kills for both spear and hammer

[wraith marsh]

If knife got a hitbox fix it'd be a little better for giants but

[lunar oriole]

i always need people to confirm im not tripping when I say that chargers straight up do not have heat signature in thermal sights

they dont right?

[wispy bluff]

What?

[modern coral]

They do.

[wispy bluff]

They absolutely do

Dafaq are you talking about

They don't have weak points.

[rose nova]

chargers do

i see em

[wispy bluff]

They have a head, but it doesn't count as a headshot.

It's just a useless limb.

[normal lake]

you mixing up enemy projectiles and chargers when it comes to thermal or smthn

[lunar oriole]

An experience of mine. I went to R7E1 and made it to the post 1st scan tp where you go to the frozen area filled with chargers

[burnt flume]

Maybe they're not as glowing but hey, they're trying their best

[rose nova]

think every enemy has a heat signature

[lunar oriole]

None of them had thermal signature

[wispy bluff]

Sounds like a bug to me

[ivory radish]

so there will be one last big update? is it known what changes?

[wispy bluff]

Care to get a screenshot to share?

[rose nova]

nope and we dont know whens coming out

but it is coming yeah

[modern coral]

F-tier ||not really||

[rose nova]

rundown 8

[normal lake]

Genuinely, just dont, its not worth it man, spending fuckin 5 minutes on a single giant isnt worth the 5% ammo you use on the giant

[lunar oriole]

I will try when I get home since getting to post 1st tp R7E1 is hard for me. WIll need to find a group willing to deal with pablo

[lunar oriole]

for this

[balmy moat]

Please R8F1 PE

I want it

[modern coral]

I do hope E-tier has PE tbh

[balmy moat]

^^^

[ivory radish]

@rose novaanother rundown? arent 71 maps enought already? o.O

[wraith marsh]

Ok but it'd be cool

[rose nova]

yeah

[wraith marsh]

And just good elsewherw

[rose nova]

another one

[modern coral]

Give E-tier

[coarse grail]

we've been waiting 2 years for a NEW rundown

[modern coral]

I already have 26 R4E1s

[lunar oriole]

R8F1 would be crazy tho. Both lore and gameplay wise

make it the longest mission too

not the hardest, R4E1 still deserves that title

[modern coral]

I would like it to be the hardest, because R4E1 ain't even that crazy.

[normal lake]

there is >1% of players in this community have beaten all vanilla content who i genuinely dont think will ever be content with the amount of content in this game

[lunar oriole]

tbf the gameplay loop is addicting

specially if you win consistently

[modern coral]

Also, R5E1 is just the hardest tbh.

[ivory radish]

@normal lakei have beaten excactly one map R1A1, failed twice on second one and i dont see myself ever playing even half of all the maps 😛

[modern coral]

I didn't believe it at the time, but it is true somehow.

[balmy moat]

What is the longest mission

Is it R5D1?

[lunar oriole]

Honestly between R4 and R5 E1 either one is the hardest

[balmy moat]

Shit was long as fuck

[burnt flume]

I think most people would say r5d1

[lunar oriole]

easily first and second place

[coarse grail]

R5D1 feels longest

[burnt flume]

Or maybe it's r5b1

[modern coral]

R4E1 is too carryable, imo.

[normal lake]

I got nearly 400 hours and have probably beaten 75% of vanilla content and the last 25% is going to take the longest to finish

[last parrot]

was about to say b1

[modern coral]

Which is maybe an arbitrary distinction, but I think it matters a lot.

[balmy moat]

B1? Really?

That shit felt short

[lunar oriole]

I would disagree but ok

[coarse grail]

R5B1 is the most upsetting level

[last parrot]

pe is awful

[burnt flume]

It's because everyone rags on extreme

[ivory radish]

@normal lakewow thats alot. most games have what? 8-15 maps...maybe up to 30 with 4 season passes? 😄

[balmy moat]

Lol

[modern coral]

I just PDW Sniper and do everything I can to overcontribute.

[burnt flume]

You have fairly nice other objectives and then extreme bores you into oblivion

[lunar oriole]

cough PDA search cough

[normal lake]

If gtfo got a fuckin season pass id just fuckin quit

[ivory radish]

@normal lakejust pretend its part of its full price 😉

[burnt flume]

Maybe if we're going from speedrun times r4e1 is technically longest, but I can't remember if there's an r5d1 ex time or anything

[last parrot]

id buy the pass tbh

[rose nova]

PDI search its like the second level ever it kinda makes sense its so basic

[modern coral]

R2D2 speedrun, tho.

[balmy moat]

Nobody is going to run R5D1

Or R5D1 Sec

[normal lake]

PE is either fucking awesome like or is just fucking boring as shit and literally there is no in between

[lunar oriole]

no, the objective of going from locker to locker to finding those. There's a mission in R3 I think named ???

[balmy moat]

Holy shit it would be terrible

[burnt flume]

I mean I've said kinda similar before, that r4e1 I think is harder but r5e1 is more testing

[balmy moat]

I mapped that shit and still is terrible

[lunar oriole]

it's the same objective except now theres gas and constant enemy waves

[ivory radish]

WTH? they dont even mention it on the steam store page that there are over 70 maps? Not a single word

[true pilot]

thats R2C2

[burnt flume]

Ah right that level which I pretend doesn't exist

[lunar oriole]

ty

[normal lake]

the game doenst really advertise how much content it really does have at all

[wraith marsh]

W level

[wispy bluff]

It takes me about 2 weeks on average to beat randown with random lfg people.
That's accounted for my work time.

[lunar oriole]

Point is, R2C2 kind of sucks, Run and gun where you dont see anything and have to run like a headless mule looking inside barely visible lockers

[ivory radish]

@normal lakeyes thats what i mean. I was kinda blown away when i found that out...if first thought its like lore pages on the wiki but all the missions are "real"

[normal lake]

its a genuine slow burner game tho because coop is required and if your anything like me you wont play with randoms

it takes forever if you play with a dedicated team full of people with there own lives

[rose nova]

thats r2c2 and it also provides an interesting twist being the first permanent error alarm from start to finish

lol

[ivory radish]

@normal lakeon release, i played solo and thought the game is just to hard for me and quit 😄

[lunar oriole]

I just dont like it

[rose nova]

well skill issue

[lunar oriole]

i've been had

it might actually be a skill issue

[rose nova]

get better eyes to lock at lockers or, die in 100% infection

[normal lake]

considering some people unironically do true solo for fun it might aswell have been to hard for just you

[wispy bluff]

I think I would like R2C2 more if it had a different tileset.

I'm so sick of storage.

[lunar oriole]

im trying true solo on all of R1

i said this earlier that i am taking a break due to taking too many L's on R1C1

[ivory radish]

@normal lakei had some fun, for like 4-5 hours but couldnt made it past the second alarm in R1A1 solo

[normal lake]

i stopped at c tier because its just to much

[lunar oriole]

Try my strat

I noticed the level had lots of corners and so I picked shotgun turret

[burnt flume]

Burst sentry is still better I'd say

[ivory radish]

The only thing that seems to work in true solo is having mines and finding foam grenades

[normal lake]

strategy makes all the difference that and knowing how to kite and play corners, learning when to reload is crucial to success

[lunar oriole]

shotgun turret + light smg + revolver was easily enough to make it to the end

obviously it took 3-4 tries but it worked

[burnt flume]

Could go for the speedrun strat which uses burst sentry and doesn't need foam or mines but is dependent on gun skill

Please stop suggesting silly loadouts

[ivory radish]

do alerts have cooldowns? like if you kill them fast enought you have some pause?

[lunar oriole]

im just suggesting what worked for me ç-ç

[normal lake]

r1b2, there is a mandatory class 3 or class 4 that has no doors, i managed to do it nearly damageless if it wasnt for one dickhead shooter hitting me from the darkness

[balmy moat]

Shiiii what was the loadout?

I don't remember

[burnt flume]

Yeah there'll be downtime between alarm wave spawns

Normal load out is carbine/combat shotty with burst sentry and knife

[normal lake]

my loadout was hel shotty and combat shotty + a burst sentry

[ivory radish]

@normal lakethat sounds great! good job

[burnt flume]

But you can swap the load out and be fine probably

I was doing fine with hel revolver burst cannon on my tilted runs

And I've found dmr to be fjne

[normal lake]

its doable but you gotta abuse ais shitty pathfinding and complete inability to comprehend corners

[wraith marsh]

At least for the r1b2 scans they spawn 5 miles away and the room is large itself

[ivory radish]

do enemys follow you unlimited time when you run away or do they stop doing that?

[lunar oriole]

I failed so many times at R1C1 that I considered insane loadouts, Tried sniper and burst sentry and then I had the brilliant idea to do hel sentry

[normal lake]

yes it made first two scans pretty tame but still was quite happy when i pulled that one off

[burnt flume]

They will never stop

[lunar oriole]

do I need to explain how poorly it went

[burnt flume]

They always know where you are, and will always come for you

[normal lake]

yes

[lunar oriole]

i died at the first wave

[mystic moss]

i need to watch some more r1c1 footage, what are people doing wrong??

[normal lake]

playing true solo in this case

[balmy moat]

Should post your run

Voxy clips are goated

[burnt flume]

I kinda wanna do r1c1 with dmr burst cannon and see how it goes, but I'm away from home

[ivory radish]

is there a easy way to find out where the 12 IDs are in R1A2? or do i realy need to query all 12 of them seperatly?

[lunar oriole]

I panicked after I realized everything made past the hel sentry and then died immediately due to poor aim discipline

[wispy bluff]

You really don't

[mystic moss]

r1c1 gives you such good bc lines

[burnt flume]

LIST ID E_XX

I think zone numbers go from like 37 to 44 or something

[normal lake]

you can do it by zone "List zone_X ID"

once you do that and know how many are in a zone you can just run around opening boxes till you find that many

[wispy bluff]

Just go to the next zone, do LIST ID ZONE_XXX, see if it has any.
If not - just be on your way.

[ivory radish]

@burnt flumehu? you can filter list entrys by areas? that helps so much 😄

[normal lake]

if you cant find one you can also ping

[burnt flume]

Yeeeep

[lunar oriole]

Daily GTFO tip - Terminals are your best friends, until they are inside infection, at that point they are bastards

[burnt flume]

Eh some of the terminals like that you can stand on top of and avoid getting infected

[normal lake]

Terminals are your best friend unless your a illiterate who literally is incapable of learning a terminal like half of the playerbase

[lunar oriole]

I still cannot do a specific thing on the terminal

Pinging listing and querrying? No problems. Reactors? Easy

[balmy moat]

It's similar to bash

[lunar oriole]

Uplink?

Kill me already

[blissful creek]

yoo anyone want to join our match

[balmy moat]

But that doesn't really help does it

[blissful creek]

need on more

[burnt flume]

Good luck, also go to lfg channels

[sharp owl]

Yeah lucky I'll be there in 4 and a half hours

[ivory radish]

is there a way to do a list with the % charge of ammo crates?

[normal lake]

If your resolution is set to anything but 1080p good luck telling the difference between an 8 and 0

[burnt flume]

Querying resource packs will tell you their %

[wispy bluff]

The what?

[blissful creek]

sweet elbowguard

[normal lake]

i still get baited by fucking 8s and 0s

[sharp owl]

Not list but you can query them 1 by 1

[ivory radish]

the ammo % of the crate it shows on query

[wispy bluff]

LIST commands only filters by tags, not properties

[lunar oriole]

the amount of times I got into a team where NOBODY knew how uplink terminals worked which ended up in me taking a shot at something I simply cant do is concerning

[coarse grail]

What is the problem with it for you?

[sharp owl]

I don't like uplinks n stuff cause i typo too much

[burnt flume]

20% = 1 use resource pack, multiply up if you need to

[normal lake]

bro its literally just typing in uplink_verify "whatever the matching code is"

[burnt flume]

As for how much ammo that is, depends on the gun

[wispy bluff]

My first exposure to uplinks went very badly because the code text formating is cringe and does not work with my head

I adapted. Now it's one of my favorite objectives.

[wraith marsh]

Uplink_verify y01

[burnt flume]

Uplinks are chill, I get to sit there looking pretty while my teammates do other stuff

[normal lake]

it literally took me 20 seconds to figure out how to do a uplink without someone teaching me, its literally matching a code to a word

[lunar oriole]

There are three, first is spaghetti fingers bc I try to type to fast and mispel stuff, then it's me being fucking blind and not being able to read even when I do type right. And then theres the mental handicap of me simply being too dumb to learn how to do it

[wraith marsh]

I do wish we could actually chain commands like bash

[lunar oriole]

it is text book definition of a skill diff

[wraith marsh]

Would be cool

[normal lake]

solution to first, up arrow + backspacex4

solution to second slow down

solution to three slow down

[balmy moat]

Better just do do ctrl + backspace instead + 1 space

[shut vapor]

Slow down is the best advice

[coarse grail]

Just chill out I think

[shut vapor]

Slow is fast

[normal lake]

i dont think in 90% of cases spending an extra 2-3 seconds typing in each code will even result in another wave

[normal lake]

did not know ctrl backspace was a function on the terminal

thats handy

[lunar oriole]

mfw I try to slow down and get told to speed up by team mates because we are all bad at the game and waste an entire ammo pack hit worth of bullets to kill a single wave

[balmy moat]

They added it R7

[ivory radish]

are there any rules where the enemys spawn while doing extraction?

[balmy moat]

It's somewhere in the patch notes

[normal lake]

but why does it have to remove the space

[wispy bluff]

Wait a second

What ctrl backspace?

[normal lake]

thats a genuine bruh moment

[wispy bluff]

What does it do?

[balmy moat]

They added quick commands

[lunar oriole]

this is just me coping btw

[balmy moat]

Like a normal keyboard

[normal lake]

it doesnt everywhere else i use ctrl backspace

[shut vapor]

Better to survive with less ammo than to die

[balmy moat]

So if you do ctrl + backspace in a real keyboard it deletes the word before

Same thing with terminals

[wispy bluff]

Never knew about that feature.

[balmy moat]

Bruh

[wispy bluff]

I just type everything manually.

[ivory radish]

@balmy moati actualy tryd that now 😄

[coarse grail]

Wow I'm dumb

[balmy moat]

It's not even GTFO specific wtf

[lunar oriole]

i remember my first experience with double uplinks

[normal lake]

Tab, ctrl backspace, and up arrow literally make terminal typing 100x faster

[balmy moat]

Y'all it's like ctrl + c to copy

[coarse grail]

I knew you could highlight and scroll text with ctrl but didn't know ctrl backspace was a thing

[balmy moat]

Except this is deleting a word

[normal lake]

do you not use tab and up arrow?

[lunar oriole]

How was it for everyone else

[wispy bluff]

I just double click the word twice to highlight it > backspace.

[wispy bluff]

I do in game, not in my normal life.

[coarse grail]

I would ctrl-shift-left then delete

[lunar oriole]

muscle memory alt f4's

[normal lake]

well tab auto fill irl is complete fucking garbage on most things that support it

but up arrow i suppose is still pretty hand in cmd

well its good to know they added ctrl backspace but idk if ima ever get rid of that muscle memory

[burnt flume]

Funnily enough, I'm faster at pinging multiple things on og r4 terminals because you can type commands all the time

Without waiting for the current one to resolve

[normal lake]

if you trust in your ability to type you can also preload commands while it does resolve but you cant see it

[wraith marsh]

That's pretty much ping exclusive

[normal lake]

never tried it for pinging but i do it all the time for uplinks

[burnt flume]

Yeah but I cant consistently type PING AMMOPACK_862 while waiting for the current ping command to resolve

I can start typing ping command while the zone is listing but

[lunar oriole]

Bad question: Is there anyone currently on this chat that did not at some point sneak into a room with a giant and by natural instinct wondered if hammering their crotch would do extra damage, because of course that's a question we'd ask

[normal lake]

enter, up arrow, backspacex4, and now im ready for the next word and can help with the waves

[normal lake]

no you are the weirdo

[burnt flume]

Me because I'm asexual and don't believe genitals exist

[lunar oriole]

I am now surprised

[normal lake]

on the other hand i have in fact said "bro got a dumpy" after looking at a giants ass for the first time

[burnt flume]

And yeah no I understand haha hit the testicles joke but it's a game, suspension of disbelief and all that

[lunar oriole]

Every new player i've interacted with thus far eventually saw it and asked if it did extra damage

to which the sad answer was no

[normal lake]

tribesman the buster of balls

[wispy bluff]

99% of games don't do it, so...

[lunar oriole]

i think there might've been 3 or 4 that didnt but i dont remember

[wispy bluff]

It is what it is.

Frankly it'd be more surprising if it did.

[lunar oriole]

my bias just remembers the majority that did ask

[lunar oriole]

come on, i couldn't help but ask and neither could the others

[normal lake]

on the topic of uplinks doing one true solo genuinely sounds awful

[wispy bluff]

Hm. Maybe.

[lunar oriole]

Reactors are already awfull to do true solo, I am simply not doing solo uplink

[wraith marsh]

It's probably just slow

[cursive bane]

What Is the differrence between solo and uplink

[wraith marsh]

Like scans

[normal lake]

uplink is a objective

solo is a way of playing the game

[cursive bane]

Oh okay

[normal lake]

if im correct the command still process while the terminal is off but it wont go past 99%

if that is correct im not exactly sure it means kiting wouldnt be a genuine pain

[wraith marsh]

You're not inputting commands instantly

[normal lake]

typing the commands tho is a fuckin yikes

[lunar oriole]

You found R1A1 hard yeah?

[wraith marsh]

You can terminal storage either way

[lunar oriole]

imagine doing R1A1 with no people to help you, and no bots for that matter

that is solo

I wouldnt be able to fully explain uplink since I myself am not good at it

[normal lake]

uplink is literally just the terminal version of a alarm

dual uplinks are just pain

[lunar oriole]

true

how many are there anyways?

Ive only seen them once

and it was the first time I got to do them, it didnt go well

[wraith marsh]

3?

Trying to think if there's more

[wispy bluff]

3 sounds right

And even then I only truly remember 2

[normal lake]

idk the only uplink i really strongly remember which isnt even a dual is i believe a in a side objective of r5b1 with a 10 uplink

[lunar oriole]

So I should start dreading that R8 will probably have one more

[normal lake]

most regular uplinks are not that notable or difficult at all

[wraith marsh]

||r5c3, r6d2, r7c3||

[balmy moat]

R5A1 Sec

R2C1

[lunar oriole]

I see a scary pattern

[balmy moat]

R4C1 Sec

R2B3

[normal lake]

yeah r7c3 was the only one i remember

[wraith marsh]

I thought we were doing double uplinks

[lunar oriole]

aint no way all of them have dual uplink

[balmy moat]

Oh

Nevermind

[lunar oriole]

oh ok, timeline's fixed

[normal lake]

r6d2 i understand not remembering because i got tilted after losing to a bug and never finished the level

[lunar oriole]

Anyhow, R5 R6 and R7 all have double uplinks, makes me believe R8 might have two of them

[wraith marsh]

It's a good objective

[lunar oriole]

If we are to expect R8 how many rundowns would it even have

4 guaranteed because A-D

very likely an E

[wispy bluff]

*expeditions, argh

[lunar oriole]

Expeditions*

[normal lake]

it will def have an E tier

[lunar oriole]

So thats 5

[normal lake]

the devs would do the vets dirty if they didnt have atleast an E tier

[coarse grail]

I think they said it would bring the total number of rundowns to 80+ so at least 9?

[lunar oriole]

I think we can reasonably expect roughly 2 X2's and 2 X3's

agreed?

[normal lake]

hopefully a lot of side objectives tied to the rundowns in r8

[lunar oriole]

I'll that as a yes

[balmy moat]

We want F tier

[lunar oriole]

making it 9

[balmy moat]

And an E tier/F tier with PE

[normal lake]

r1-r3 i sleep because of lack of pe

except r3d1 that level slapped

[lunar oriole]

The two parts that are up to debate are "WIll there be F1" and "Will there be Alts"

such as CX

[balmy moat]

Those aren't alts those are extensions

Or were

[coarse grail]

I think they should just make an E tier and make it as hard as they like

[normal lake]

better question is will there be checkpoints

[coarse grail]

If they put an F label on it it will be memey but probs not representative of what that tier would indicate

[lunar oriole]

I didnt even know gtfo has checkpoints

[wispy bluff]

I'm certain there will be.

[wraith marsh]

There will be checkpoints

[normal lake]

i personally hope not

rip

[wraith marsh]

There's no way there won't be

[wispy bluff]

Rundown 6 and 7 only

[wraith marsh]

Besides probably e tier ofc

[normal lake]

r6 and r7 exclusive feature

[wraith marsh]

Assuming there is one

[lunar oriole]

the 3 R6 expeditions I have done didnt contain checkpoints

so i wouldnt know

[burnt flume]

Checkpoints sometimes hurt more than they help funnily enough

[wraith marsh]

They did

[wispy bluff]

It's a 2 hour E tier with a checkpoint in dead center

[lunar oriole]

THEY DID?

[wraith marsh]

Every one has multiple

[wispy bluff]

The bright green scans, as opposed to usual blue.

[wraith marsh]

I'm honestly fine with checkpoints even on e tier

[normal lake]

honestly i just hope r8 is like if you took r3 and flipped the map mostly hard levels

[wraith marsh]

So idc

[wispy bluff]

Those are checkpoint scans, and you can restart at them if you wipe later.

[lunar oriole]

just to make sure, is it up to the host whether you reload from checkpoint or return to lobby?

[wispy bluff]

Yes.

[lunar oriole]

I wanna scream now

[wispy bluff]

He gets 2 buttons and chooses.

[normal lake]

i just want them to be placed in a way that isnt unintuitive or completely takes the difficulty out of the game

[lunar oriole]

I was part of 3 failed attempts at R6C2

where we could've just reloaded a checkpoint

[wispy bluff]

My condolences

[lunar oriole]

Im so mad

[coarse grail]

Nah your host was doing you a service

[normal lake]

using checkpoints is a beta move

[wispy bluff]

To be fair: people generally advise not to use them, because they are very unstable and can break the game sometimes.

[normal lake]

unless the loss is to gtfo having a gtfo moment

[lunar oriole]

I mean...yeah I can imagine so but still

[normal lake]

in which case understandable

[wispy bluff]

But at that point what the difference...

[wraith marsh]

I think the only checkpoint I don't like in this game is the r6d4 one on the mom zone

[lunar oriole]

A loss was a mispositioned mine and the other was because C-foam somehow glitched on air and fell on the ground in front of a door

[wispy bluff]

What about R7A1 having 4 checkpoints in a 25 minute level

[normal lake]

first one is skill issue second one is gtfo having a gtfo moment

[balmy moat]

There are only 2 no?

[wraith marsh]

Idc artek beyond the scan time

The scans should be faster

[coarse grail]

R6C3 checkpoint is a pain for its scan time

[wraith marsh]

No one is second guessing doing the scan

[lunar oriole]

Cries in bad at the game

[normal lake]

for me having a checkpoint directly before a hard part kinda ruins the hard part

[balmy moat]

R7A1 has the same amount of checkpoints as R6A1

I believe

Unless I'm blanking

R6A1 has 1

?

[lunar oriole]

If we exclude R4 and R5 E1's what would be the hardest expedition to PE

[wraith marsh]

But it doesn't

You die anyways don't you?

[burnt flume]

1 after first alarm, 1 where schaffer yelled at you

[normal lake]

if we only include levels with pe i have no fucking clue

[balmy moat]

Ah so I wasn't blanking

It does have 2, same as R7A1

[lunar oriole]

and if we dont?

[coarse grail]

R4C3 maybe

[wispy bluff]

R4C3, R7C3 and uh... That's about it really. The competition is not great.

[normal lake]

Then you reset it 6 times until you have brute forced it rather than improving at a part before it and coming more prepared

kinda like r7b3 right before extract

[burnt flume]

R4d2 can go funny, I don't like r7c2 as a mission

[wispy bluff]

R4D2 is somewhere there too, but it's not nearly as annoying as R4C3 is

[burnt flume]

R4C2 good luck staying awake

[wraith marsh]

If you die from being unprepared that's your fault

[lunar oriole]

thinking about the answer I got it's sad that R4E1 and R5E1 are so far up there that trying to filter a top 3 becomes rough

[wraith marsh]

That's also regardless of the parts difficulty

[normal lake]

exactly but you suffer 0 consequences, barely even a time loss because you get to immediatly retry the hard part rather than being forced to improve your play on a earlier part to be better prepared

[wraith marsh]

So?

[lunar oriole]

im siding with chill on the checkpoint subject

[wispy bluff]

Checkpoints just save you the time of grinding the 200 meters stealth zone over and over again

[wraith marsh]

If you need to improve you're punished by wasting your time anyways

If not, you clear

[wispy bluff]

There are some R5 levels that really could use one.

[normal lake]

its the exact thing that leads to new players replaying the same hard part not having any clue why they are failing when they are significantly lacking resources

[lunar oriole]

if you are dying in a hard part that has a checkpoint right before it you either messed up too hard earlier and now its impossible or unrealistically hard

or because you need to git gud

[normal lake]

that and it completely kills the tension

[wispy bluff]

That does happen sometimes, but it's a rare enough occurance

A common agreement is that checkpoints should be limited to be used like 3 times at most

[lunar oriole]

There is something else that can be done that some games do

[wispy bluff]

Because some people out there keep bashing their heads against one without realising that they are about 400 bullets behind on their ammo supplies.

[normal lake]

honestly i agree with there being checkpoints but the placement needs to be in a way that doesnt completely ruin the challenge

r7c3 first checkpoint is honestly perfect, esspecially if you did secondary

the second checkpoint is kinda just there

[wispy bluff]

I disagree.

[lunar oriole]

you can use the checkpoint any amount of times but every time you do it gets harder either by buffing enemies or stripping the player away of resources

[wispy bluff]

The second checkpoint is almost perfect. Its exactly where the fun part of the level starts.

However. I did also experienced a squad botching that exact checkpoint. Big time.

[lunar oriole]

I will come back with the example I want to quote once I find the nameof the game

[normal lake]

the end rush loses a lot of the tension of a long ass error esspecially after the very tight stealth of the armory

[normal lake]

honestly just dont let checkpoints be infinite use as a baseline

[lunar oriole]

found it, Pathologic 2 did this

[normal lake]

if you can only retry from a checkpoint two times then it doesnt completely ruin the tension of the level and still forces you to play well before the checkpoint since you cant rely on brute forcing the part afterwards

[lunar oriole]

i would defend what I said along the lines of "Next retry will be done with 20% less ammo"

so you reload and 20% of everyone's ammo is gone and they need to continue through the hard part anyways

[normal lake]

problem with that is all attempt proceeding the first are fucked from the get go

[lunar oriole]

encouragement to restart if they are not stacked by the time they get to said checkpoint and to try again if they are stacked

[normal lake]

that 20% ammo could have been the difference 30 minutes after the checkpoint

[wraith marsh]

I'm reaching the difference of opinion point

I do agree with limited use

[lunar oriole]

with which one of us

oh with me

[wraith marsh]

But it's still on the player

[normal lake]

with limited use as long as they dont spam checkpoints like r6d1 i could care less what they do

[wraith marsh]

I just want checkpoints myself

[balmy moat]

R6D1 spams checkpoints?

I've only seen 1

[normal lake]

im not someone who thinks they are bad entirely its just a matter of not spamming them and having semi intelligent placement

[lunar oriole]

Chill, sub gave their take on mine, whats yours on the point i want to make?

[wraith marsh]

No

[lunar oriole]

Fair

[wraith marsh]

There you go

[normal lake]

based

[lunar oriole]

I yield

[normal lake]

good ol fog skip

[lunar oriole]

Democracy wins

[wraith marsh]

Lmao

[normal lake]

the checkpoint issue really only matters for pubs anyways

me and my friends dont use checkpoints unless we fail to a bug from either bots or gtfo just having a gtfo moment

[rose nova]

gtfo moment like um breakdance

[normal lake]

if the failure is entirely our fault just gotta take the L

[wraith marsh]

I use them when we do way too much trolling

But I love them for blinding content

No matter how good you are

GTfo blind content can be some bs

And checkpoints help that

[normal lake]

yeah there are quite a few levels id really appreciate even a single checkpoint on in the r2-r5 area

[quartz cape]

i think u should have to pay for checkpoints with artifacts

[lunar oriole]

I really like that idea

[normal lake]

i only play levels blind and some levels are basically just fat middle fingers to blind players

[wraith marsh]

That would be funny

Solve 2 types of ppl with 1 swoop

[normal lake]

add green artifacts which could be used as a checkpoint currency

[lunar oriole]

Growing price with every retry. And it wouldnt be an issue given most people havr too many mute boosters anyways

[quartz cape]

get ur money up or do 2/3 of r7d1 again

[normal lake]

honestly big brain

[lunar oriole]

Mountain face gonna be a game designer

[quartz cape]

buy my new game gtfo2

[normal lake]

how would it work multiplayer tho since everyone would usually have different amounts

[lunar oriole]

GTFO 2 - Schaeffer strikes back

[quartz cape]

every1 chips in

if not enough you can donate to charity

[lunar oriole]

Each booster with a value ranging from 1-3

[quartz cape]

could also make it based on how many u got that level

so if ur inefficient, tha warden's like "im not ressurecting these mfs again"

[sharp owl]

anyone know why i lag when there is a horde or a gate openning? like fps drop from 60ish to 20-30, i have a 2060

[normal lake]

Could just do it like lunar coins in ror2 where one person pays for the retry and the specific type of artifacts are not global

[normal lake]

sounds like cpu or ram issue to me

[sour crystal]

Game would be cooler if you had to unlock gun

[sharp owl]

cpu usage is less than 10% all the time

[sour crystal]

And could level up

B)

[balmy moat]

Is it a specific level?

Cause R7D1 could cause that

[sharp owl]

im not sure

im new to the game

it lags when im playing with other ppl

[balmy moat]

Not that then

[sharp owl]

i did not lag at all during the traning mode

even during the horde

[sharp owl]

whats that

[rose nova]

its alevel later on

[lunar oriole]

This one me no agree

[rose nova]

but i doubt ur doin it rn

[normal lake]

I have no clue then since a 2060 being a 6gb vram card should easily run gtfo

[quartz cape]

are you host or client?

[normal lake]

hard disagree

[quartz cape]

it could be a connection issue

[sharp owl]

i have 12gb one

[sharp owl]

im playing from steam

[normal lake]

even better

[sharp owl]

any idea where i can find a solution?

[lunar oriole]

It's essential to have variety and multiple options to brew up more strats

[quartz cape]

do you make the lobby, or do you join the lobby?

[sharp owl]

i like the game but playing the game with lag is insufferable

[sour crystal]

Something to work towards other than cosmetic :(

[sharp owl]

join

[balmy moat]

Probably connection issue then

[sour crystal]

Which idk how you get the cosmetic

[sharp owl]

but its an fps problem

[sour crystal]

But you get them

[quartz cape]

you could try being the one to create the lobby and see if you still get the same issue

[lunar oriole]

There kind of is already which are agressive boosters

[sharp owl]

alright

[lunar oriole]

Hard to get and super clutch

[balmy moat]

Are you actively monitoring your FPS?

[sharp owl]

yeah

[balmy moat]

Or does it just seems like they are bouncing all over the place

[normal lake]

is it doing it in solo

[sharp owl]

it only happens when i open a door or when they are bouncing

[balmy moat]

I meant are they rubber banding?

Or is it purely just frames

[sharp owl]

i havnt played solo yet

[normal lake]

even then tho a connection issue shouldnt lead to frame drops

[sharp owl]

yeah

[sharp owl]

whats rubber banding?

[balmy moat]

Teleporting

[normal lake]

my best guess would be your typical IT response of double check your drivers and restart your pc if you havent already

[coarse grail]

My friend has been having fps and then desync issues when we open a checkpoint door

[balmy moat]

Are they teleporting around in your screen

[sharp owl]

yes they teleport aswel

[balmy moat]

Then that's also a connection issue

[sharp owl]

i have really good internet

[sour crystal]

Clearly not

[balmy moat]

First try setting CPU culling to low

[coarse grail]

Its probably just another checkpoint bug

[balmy moat]

And setting texture size to half

Every graphical setting to medium besides shadow resolution

Then see if your frames are stable

If your frames are stable and the horde is still teleporting then it's most likely a connection issue

[sharp owl]

alright

[normal lake]

your internet speed can be amazing but if your ping is bad then it means nothing

[balmy moat]

Playing with people on other continents is a prime example of bad ping

[sour crystal]

Packet loss 👎

[quartz cape]

me when SERVER SYNC

[normal lake]

i got 750mb/s on wifi but got ping upwards of 500 miliseconds sometimes and it literally was unplayable

thank god for this 75 ft wire running from my router to my pc

[sharp owl]

w8 u can play solo aswel?

or does it always have to squad

[sour crystal]

0_o

[sharp owl]

yes just not so m fun

[normal lake]

you can with bots but a lot of later levels will be basically unplayable

[sour crystal]

It's possible to play solo

Just harder

[junior latch]

👀

[balmy moat]

Go back to discussing BX

[sharp owl]

You can either with bots or completely alone, depending on how masochistic you're feeling

[languid sand]

Hey, any word on the winners of the GTFO poster contest? like, is there a date or something?

[balmy moat]

You should watch eva attempt R1C1

[grizzled bison]

I won all of the t shirts got a dm about it

[humble meteor]

Any idea why my game lags a lot whenver I use 1x1 textures?

[sharp owl]

I should

Is there an available video

[balmy moat]

He's streaming rn

[sharp owl]

welp guess I'm not gonna then

[balmy moat]

No spoilers?

[wraith marsh]

Does Eva put vods up

[sharp owl]

What? No

[balmy moat]

Ye

[sharp owl]

I've done r1

[wraith marsh]

Can check the vod then

[sharp owl]

I need to finish the gane before getting carried away tryna do stuff like this

[wraith marsh]

True

[sharp owl]

Still haven't done a single e level

[wispy bluff]

You mean FULL textures?

I personally have no idea either. Textures too stronk I suppose. My game runs like ass on FULL too, so I play on Half instead. It's still okay looking.

[sharp owl]

Because that's how this game works

What is optimization

[balmy moat]

If you really don't care about textures you should use LowSpec Gaming

It actually still looks good

[sharp owl]

Optimizer? I've barely met her

[balmy moat]

Get them frames

[crude bay]

i got all them frames baby

[grizzled bison]

I will help you beat the game

[crude bay]

All 16 of them

[sharp owl]

Thank u beep

You are my hero

[grizzled bison]

That's the nicest thing someone in this discord has said to me

[wraith marsh]

Elbow is the Luna redemption arc

[balmy moat]

Luna

[humble meteor]

My game stutters a lot on half

Even though it can run heavier games smoothly

Like tarkov, cyberpunk, red dead redemption 2

[wispy bluff]

"Luna is dead, and we killed her"
(with a scattergun on extraction)

Nietzsche, probably.

[burnt flume]

Isn't his name neiztche or some other weird spelling

I actually don't know

[wispy bluff]

I don't know, my auto correct doesn't know either and I'm too lazy too Google.

[coarse grail]

Friedrich Nietzsche apparently

[wispy bluff]

Yoink

[burnt flume]

Neiztsche, apparently

I was close

[sharp owl]

Nitse

[wispy bluff]

Germans 🤷‍♂️

[burnt flume]

OK yes I spelled it wrong still

I can't read, nor can I write

[crisp jungle]

Does the HAR still kick like a mule?

[rose nova]

yeah

i mean

recoils not as bad as it used to b

but if u mean dmg yes

[crisp jungle]

Nice

I find the recoil to feel fun

[last parrot]

I tap fire so I'm immune to recoil

[crisp jungle]

I recently beat R6BX with bots and sawed off and HAR

That stage was made so much easier with proper preparation

And the fact I was able to figure out the password with t-m-

[last parrot]

thats kind of lucky

[crisp jungle]

Yeah only had like 2-3 waves of the big guys spawn

It was really lucky yeah

[wispy bluff]

They improved it slightly. It's not Bullpup, but at least you can see what you're shooting at now.

[crisp jungle]

Yeah bullpup is a freaking laser beam

Doesn’t the bullpup have a 1.0 precision mult?

[rose nova]

yeah

[sly vale]

I haven’t played the original version very much, but it seems that the difficulty of R6BX S1 alarm has been significantly increased. Two giants will come in every wave.

[rose nova]

might be

[crisp jungle]

Yeah 2 giants

Idk how it was in the original R6CX

But in alt R6BX 2 giants spawn per wave

Is the carbine still OP?

[quartz cape]

yes

[wispy bluff]

What, the bridge defense?

[sly vale]

yep

[wispy bluff]

I don't remember any.

[crisp jungle]

Is the sawed off in a better spot than it was originally?

[wispy bluff]

One of them random spawn moments I suppose.

[crisp jungle]

I know it went from 23 to 30 damage

[wispy bluff]

Yes, they buffed reload speed and slightly improved damage fall off

[crisp jungle]

I used it in R6BX alt

Double tapping franks in the back is great

[quartz cape]

if you call the giants franks i will throw you out a 4th storey window

[crisp jungle]

Lol

Fair

[sly vale]

Sawed-Off Shotgun was so buffed that it became a mainstream weapon

[wispy bluff]

It's still niche, but it feels great when it rips smalls apart.

[crisp jungle]

I Just like the name frank for some reason

[quartz cape]

i know you heard it once in a youtube video with colour coded subtitles, but i promise you its not that funny

[crisp jungle]

I legit don’t know what you’re talking about

I just heard others use it

[quartz cape]

me neither