gtfo-chat

[ivory radish]

@wispy bluffthanks, can i send you an PM about that?

[wispy bluff]

No-no, just gonna explain terminals and doors to him, nothing else.

[wispy bluff]

Sure.

[mint light]

Ok. thanks. Cause one Artek is enough

[balmy moat]

Is it time to make a GTFO noob guide

[rose nova]

yayyy no carryiness :D

no carryin its so based

[mint light]

A good one this time plz

[balmy moat]

It’ll literally be labeling things

“This is a door”

“This will tell you where to go”

“This is a terminal”

“You should mindlessly follow the warden objective”

[mint light]

What will you put in the part about the melee's??

[balmy moat]

“This is a melee weapon”

[trim heath]

STOP JUST SHOOTING EVERYTHING

[balmy moat]

“These are your two guns”

“You have a selection of tool”

[unreal crystal]

if u mention anything about stats I will kill you

[mint light]

More specifically?

[balmy moat]

No this is ultra noob

[balmy moat]

No need

[unreal crystal]

even then

[balmy moat]

It’s a “melee weapon”

[trim heath]

gun exists for two things: saving a run and doing alarms

[unreal crystal]

I feel like ppl are way too stat brained

[balmy moat]

They can figure it out themself lol

Im just saying what shit is

“This is you”

[trim heath]

actually 3 things

[balmy moat]

“You play this”

[trim heath]

maybe ||BBC's||

[balmy moat]

Now play

[mint light]

shooting all rooms is a legit strat. You got more ammo thsn needed on most levels

[trim heath]

I mean yes but at the same time I've still watched people exhaust all their ammo, for example, in R7D1 before the alarms

literally all the ammo in the level

it was that bad

[mint light]

Bruh R7D1 is overfilled! HOW!

[trim heath]

magic

[balmy moat]

I think the main enemies I should mention are strikers, shooters, big, and scout right

[trim heath]

it wasnt even an overload run

[balmy moat]

For a complete noob?

[trim heath]

basically

[balmy moat]

They can figure out the rest by experience

Kk

[thick temple]

yeah i'd agree with that

spoiling the different enemy types would be lame imo

[balmy moat]

It’s gonna be a funny video if I plan it

[trim heath]

turkeys, little chicken, frank, and spaghetti

[balmy moat]

Completely idiot proof

Very vague

No spoilers

Think it’ll be perfect

[unreal crystal]

Well if you want no spoilers don’t mention anything about enemies

[balmy moat]

Fine I’ll just say collective sleepers

[trim heath]

to elaborate, they mag dump center mass even if its already dead

it was bad

[mint light]

I couldn't have played that

First: no ovl

2nd: my god

[trim heath]

I couldn't even get my hands on an ammo pack before they got it

I was gonna try to get them through overload

[ivory radish]

Question: Iplayed GTFO like 2 years ago with different people and back there no one did use any terminals. Did they change the gameplay since or did they just had no clue?

[trim heath]

then decided after the second time they just walked into a room and started blasting that we weren't gonna

[mint light]

they had no clue

terminals were a thing from the start

[trim heath]

they had no clue, or they knew exactly where everything was

[balmy moat]

I found the title team

GTFO in 60 seconds: noob edition

[trim heath]

like I dont use terminals until I go to ping something like a cell or w/e

because I generally know where they are and just want to terminal to save me the hassle of getting lost searching

[mint light]

"so you suck at GTFO?"

[rose nova]

u gtfo at gtfo

[balmy moat]

Do not fret! I shall explain how shit works in this game!

This is a door!

It is breakable!

This is a security door!

It tells you where it goes to!

[trim heath]

all doors tell you where they go to

[balmy moat]

True

I forgot to mention they had alarms

You have enemies!

[trim heath]

RED MEANS STOP

[balmy moat]

They are called sleepers!

You have weapons in different forms!

You have a melee weapon!

[trim heath]

the number of people that I have seen pull alarm doors while somebody is 3 zones away getting something...

[balmy moat]

You use this to kill enemies!

You also have guns!

They do the same thing!

See? Completely fool proof

Nothing can go wrong

[trim heath]

I need to drag my dakka obsessed friends through R7C3

that will be fun

[mint light]

you underestimate people's stupidity

[mint light]

Good level.

[balmy moat]

If someone won’t be able to understand this simplicity I will lose faith in humanity

[mint light]

You are too young for that !!!

[silk blade]

no

anyone whos worked with the oncoming generation (ipad kids) knows there is no hope

[unreal crystal]

yea man those ipad kids are obviously gonna ruin anything

damn

[mint light]

He one of them. shhh

[silk blade]

idk how i could ever trust an ipad kid to do surgery on a living creature

[balmy moat]

Dad is mean 😦

I’m not an iPad kid

[mint light]

It's my fault son. I let you play with the ipad too often

[silk blade]

ipad kid syndrome is terminal unfortunately

put them in the HSU and get a clean slate to work with

[balmy moat]

But… >>>

iPad kid

[mint light]

What's your phone?

[balmy moat]

Ah

Ehmm

[mint light]

Ahaaa!

[balmy moat]

[trim heath]

I guarantee you somebody will

[mint light]

see! you couldn't be my son

[trim heath]

I had somebody in an R7E1 run that couldn't stay in a room, you set an expectation for humanity and somebody will find a way to not meet it

[mint light]

For that also your mother would have to had been in Sydney, Pisa, Prague, Köln or anywhere in France /Netherlands

[silk blade]

i had someone pick auto sentry

truly insane

[balmy moat]

Could be adopted

[mint light]

😅

[trim heath]

on what level?

'cause I wouldnt mind it on like...one or two of them

[rose nova]

i picked auto on r6a1 and c1 and it was very funny

i like it as the meme

its super fun

[silk blade]

r1c1

it consumed all the tool

killed 0 enemies

[trim heath]

ew

yeah no

thats triple sniper sentry all the way

any level with that objective is sniper sentry gaming

[silk blade]

idk burst is ok too

[rose nova]

it is

i usually go 2 bursts one sniper

[silk blade]

i would take sniper more if like

i knew it would aim at bigs

and not random tiny guys

[trim heath]

ever since I started using dmr I developed a hatred for the burst sentry

its so good but it breaks the heads of smalls

[rose nova]

hah >:3

[sharp owl]

for r1c1 the problem is i can't really kill the enemies quickly enough

the round ends and they're still coming

not sure what to do about this

i guess i could place my sentry really far up so it's basically in the same room they spawn so it can do work

[wispy bluff]

That's one way, yeah.

They get funneled real good in that one corridor right before the wallhole

I wonder if using shotgun sentry will get extra value here...

[sharp owl]

ive noticed yeah

hel autosentry time whowhowhow

[wispy bluff]

But also i fear it might eat all the tool in the level and not get the effect

[sharp owl]

its HEL guys whooo

whoa

each wave is around 2 use ammo and 1.5 use of tool for the sentry now

i barely have time

also ive no idea how the hell im gonna deal with hybrids

[wispy bluff]

Bring a high precision and aim for the head.

HEL Revo + Sniper is probably the way to do this level solo. Burst Cannon too, but i have no idea how to realibly get hybrid value out of it...

[modern coral]

Is this bots or true solo?

[wispy bluff]

True

[sharp owl]

:true:

[modern coral]

What loadout?

[unreal crystal]

hel revo sniper on true solo sounds insane

[modern coral]

That's what most of the R1C1 solos did.

Same for R4D1.

[unreal crystal]

I could never man

[modern coral]

Sniper is just so useful for giants.

And there's no alternative in the Main slot.

[unreal crystal]

id have to force hel gun or burst cannon

[sharp owl]

hel revo hel rifle rn

[balmy moat]

Hel rifle is a valid option

-Eva

[unreal crystal]

not a hel rifle user

[balmy moat]

Me neither

[unreal crystal]

Gun isn’t fun

[balmy moat]

I’d probably force BC

[unreal crystal]

hel revo sniper is a loadout I run on like 2 levels

Or did

otherwise I do not touch that gun

sniper I mean

[trim heath]

I havent used a sniper since I was a newbie

[modern coral]

It's just the only gun that can instantly delete large targets at every practical range.

[trim heath]

it offers a lot of value in some levels but most of them its kinda a liability

[modern coral]

It's underrated tbh.

Its main issue is that it's not a hard carry weapon.

[unreal crystal]

Ppl do hate on it a lot

[trim heath]

its a tool, not a weapon

[modern coral]

Ehhh

[trim heath]

it just happens to take a weapon slot and ammopack

[unreal crystal]

The main reason I use it is to get better at sniping shadow giants

[modern coral]

It's quite a weapon on R4E1 imo.

[unreal crystal]

it’s fun to do without thermal

[trim heath]

yeah its also nice on r7e1 due to the tonks

but even there

thats about it for it

[modern coral]

Kills tanks and pmom, does reactor codes fast, lets you skip shadow stealth.

It's good on plenty of levels.

It's my goto on R6D3 as well.

[sharp owl]

is BC valid for r1c1

and just brrt

[unreal crystal]

It’s a classic on r3d1

[modern coral]

Yes, you wave clear.

[green flume]

most guns works for r1c1

[modern coral]

Hybrids are the worst target for BC, but you can brute force.

[modern coral]

Solo

[balmy moat]

If you’re insanely good just occi

Though pretty difficult in an environment like that

[mystic moss]

i did it solo w/ dtr, burst cannon, sniper sentry
i recommend you move high use resources to your hold room though

[unreal crystal]

just occi in the reactor where all the enemies come from the same direction

Good luck with that

[sharp owl]

i do not have the patience

nor the time

when i die in the first wave 50% of the time

[sharp owl]

also what

[wraith marsh]

should load up with cconsole to practice

[unreal crystal]

I’m saying the occi thing was a dumb comment

[balmy moat]

.

[sharp owl]

i can't fuckin kill things AAAAAAAA

[unreal crystal]

then why mention it at all

[sharp owl]

there are too many things

[balmy moat]

You’ll be able to do it once I’ll bet

[wraith marsh]

do you use pen

[sharp owl]

yes

[modern coral]

You can do it for hybrids, though.

[pine root]

#gtfo-media message Ray why this happen

[modern coral]

They'll animationm lock.

[sharp owl]

not always

i can't always

[modern coral]

You just have to put yourself in tons of danger.

[unreal crystal]

exactly

Is it even worth the risk

[balmy moat]

I think you’ll have moments where you might be able to take the risk

So I don’t think it’s a bad mention

[unreal crystal]

if he can’t kill enemies fast enough then probably not

And afaik the waves don’t have a ton of downtime between them so it’s pretty rough

I just think it’s not at all worth it

Especially if you have a gun like burst cannon

[sharp owl]

pistol + bc run

[unreal crystal]

No hel revo…

[sharp owl]

yeah

i dont really pen with in anyway who cares

i took hel revo for the last 5 attempts

[unreal crystal]

that’s not the only good thing about the gun

And you should be penning with it on that reactor even if you aren’t trying to

Maybe not every bullet but

[mystic moss]

if you're holding bridge they should just run at you in a straight line

[unreal crystal]

🤯

Tbh tho the loadout isn’t the only thing

It does matter but I think what matters more is ur decision making

[sharp owl]

yes

[mystic moss]

my favorite decision is clicking lmb

[sharp owl]

i cannot hold bridge because i dont kill fast enough

i need to move back over time

[pine root]

Hel rev would speed up kill speed

[sharp owl]

i was using it for forever

trying sum new

[unreal crystal]

Silence pub

Actually ur getting it

[mystic moss]

could you refrain from using the p-slur

[unreal crystal]

If you need to move back you could always start further up if that helps

that’s kinda what I’d do anyway

And it’s what I imagine most ppl would do tbh

You don’t get the luxury of sitting completely still typically

[sharp owl]

i cant

i cannot reach that far away in time

also bc sucks for this

it seems

[unreal crystal]

Burst cannon is great it’s just a hard gun to use

[sharp owl]

[unreal crystal]

what do you think you are doing wrong

[sharp owl]

aiming incorrectly

[unreal crystal]

how so

[sharp owl]

i miss too much and i dont hit enough heads

[unreal crystal]

missing shots is definitely not ideal yea

you should record an attempt and send it to me

I could give more helpful advice that way probs

[wraith marsh]

pub review

[unreal crystal]

We’re so back

[sharp owl]

https://tenor.com/view/its-so-over-we're-so-back-gif-8676070423384596188

[wispy bluff]

I'm starting to develop Kaiser Derangement Syndrome. I feel like everyone new around here are just Kaiser in disguise.

[unreal crystal]

alright artek

[mystic moss]

he's not here anymore

[stray raft]

Is this Kaiser in the room with us?

[mystic moss]

he can't hurt you

[earnest forge]

I really had to. In his loving memory.
If he behaves, you might see him in the future though. who knows...

[sharp owl]

who is this kaiser

[wispy bluff]

He gotta send you his GTFO game folder for review

[unreal crystal]

Sometimes I see him in my dreams

[earnest forge]

That would remind me of audits from work. Where they ask you to take screenshots of the results of the "telnet localhost" command on all your servers.

[wispy bluff]

good ol' telnet

[earnest forge]

I mean, who in 2023 still use this protocol ? :D

[wispy bluff]

My company does, apparently.

[earnest forge]

Probably network switches, but that should be it

^^

[wispy bluff]

Sometimes we use it to confirm that client can connect to our servers and not blacklisted.

[thorn crystal]

Does the bio tracker help all sentries?

Or just sniper and shotgun?

[sharp owl]

just those two

[wispy bluff]

One of the reasons for Burst supremacy

[pine root]

Kaiser is about to be back got inside word! Unbanned for r8 and we are gonna get the dark Kaiser arc

[unreal crystal]

are you ok jish

[sharp owl]

the reason of burst supremacy is just headshots

it doesn't miss and it hits heads so half the time it's doing triple damage

and so its ammo lasts a long while

[wispy bluff]

Shotgun aims for heads too, yet it doesn't seem to be helping it

And sniper does too... It just doesn't shoot fast enough.

[sharp owl]

shotgun's dumb

it misses too much

it also sometimes shoots at dead enemies

[unreal crystal]

You say this but then you run sniper and lose ur mind when the burst sentry takes the head

of a giant

[sharp owl]

(the game is subtly trying to tell you to run bc)

[unreal crystal]

I mean I would

[wispy bluff]

If targets for sentries were specified somehow...

Imagine if you could tell sniper sentry to only shoot at giants

Potential usage +100

[earnest forge]

That would make it a very sound choice

Same would be true if the Shotgun Sentry would target the center of mass instead of the head

[wispy bluff]

I hope their tests are coming to a conclusion

[earnest forge]

Right now it kills Shooters pretty well, but that is about it

[wispy bluff]

I swear if they don't implement that

[rose nova]

idk how that would work, like bot commands with Q?

sounds funk

[earnest forge]

I have no idea how it could be implemented

Like if you could weight its AI targetting

[wispy bluff]

Well, when you hold a sentry it basically uses no buttons besides E to place

What if you could press R to change aiming protocols:
"Small target"
"Large targets"
"All targets"

[earnest forge]

That Artek would be much more complex, since it involves UI updates

I was thinking about a "default" behavior instead

[wispy bluff]

Ah, that

So it simply prioritised

[earnest forge]

But I am not sure how this could be done within the possibilities the game offers

[wispy bluff]

Maybe...

[sharp owl]

oh sentry talking again

ok check it out

remove inaccuracy

stop them from shooting at dead things

[wispy bluff]

It would probably ruin performance if the thing had to double-check every single enemy to confirm that there are no priority targets in sight

[sharp owl]

make shotgun center mass

[rose nova]

u know they like, try

[sharp owl]

try harder

[wispy bluff]

They're working on it

[sharp owl]

work more

[wispy bluff]

This one is unfixable, AFAIK

[rose nova]

solo r1c1 more

:]

[sharp owl]

i will

until i beat it ( i wont)

[wispy bluff]

Sniper sentry used to do it too during its overtuned arc

[earnest forge]

I think at least some of them do not aim at the end anymore if the target has no head

Sniper had its completely busted phase indeed

But there might be a sweet spot in between

[wispy bluff]

They just need to buff bio synergy more

They should perform worse than burst without it and better then burst with it

[earnest forge]

Synergy is quite strong as it stands, as far as I know

[wispy bluff]

So burst can remain an all rounder that doesn't need a clutch

[earnest forge]

Reducing target acquisition by half or something

[wispy bluff]

But if we remove synergy then we can never truly balance them out

The burst will just remain a universal pick

Don't need to know the level, the map layout, the enemy composition, nothing

[sharp owl]

i dont like these unfixable bugs

[wispy bluff]

Bring burst, win the day.

[earnest forge]

Right now burst is the "safest" choice

but both others have their niche use

[wispy bluff]

Do they now

[earnest forge]

Oh, someone tells me there is a fourth sentry ?

[wispy bluff]

Sniper nukes giants, when its kinda enough to aim at one

That's about it

[earnest forge]

Ah, right, we do not talk about that one

[wispy bluff]

How many giant rich levels there are?...

Right...

And shotgun... Urgh.

Lets wait for bodyshot fix and then we can see from there.

That change alone could easily fix the poor thing.

"Balance implications"... Yeah, the balance implication is that THE THING SUCKS

[rose nova]

:[

[earnest forge]

Shotgun works in an ideal scenario, a short strait path that enemy waves have to go through

But it shoots too fast

Very often shooting at dead targets in the result

[wispy bluff]

Give shotgun +1 HEL, delete HEL sentry.
There, fixed everything.

Whatever, we're doing another cycle again.

Waiting for R8 and praying that they will fix everything

[rose nova]

i dont think deletin hel auto its really like

an option

[wispy bluff]

It 100% is

[rose nova]

cause they bring every gun into the game

whats that nonsense of just, eliminating it

[wispy bluff]

It has no reason to waste my hard drive and annoy me with an illusion of choice in the lobby UI

[rose nova]

and only that one

might as well eliminate every other main

and only leave hel revo carbine

[sharp owl]

or delete shotgun

it's way buggier than hel

misses way more

consumes way more ammo

[rose nova]

i dont think those r bugs and the shootin corpes its a consequence of the firerate

[wispy bluff]

Alright, simple solution then

[sharp owl]

i firmly disagree

[wispy bluff]

aim for body
reduce fire rate
increase damage
keep high target acquisition speed

[rose nova]

for me its like when the smg user shoots a dead enemy 1 second more just in case

[wispy bluff]

Make it so that it nukes any target that comes near it, if anything does it

[sharp owl]

they are machines

they dont make mistakes

[rose nova]

u just said it missed a lot

[sharp owl]

and if they did it should be consistent between all of them

they're not supposed to miss at all

[rose nova]

way better than just, nukin one gun out of nowhere cause no one uses it

i like that idea more

[wispy bluff]

To be fair: that's both the reason why it does that in the first place AND in-game it would also do that often

Because how on earth does it know that target is dead or not

[rose nova]

it shoots when it sees it alive by the time it sees oh its dead its got one shell more on the corpse

[sharp owl]

same way bio does

future fancy tech

there is precedent for it

same way our UI and HUDs know they're dead

because remember everything's canon hahaha

hitmarkers are canon

we have ways of determining

[wispy bluff]

I highly doubt that

[sharp owl]

I highly don doubt that

everything's canon

[wispy bluff]

No video game is ever "truly" canon, gameplay that is

[sharp owl]

hitmarkers are

[wispy bluff]

Sause? Besides the fact that we have them

[sharp owl]

they're part of our HUD

[rose nova]

i dont think u can compare a hud marker that dissapears with stuff than a turret that has to aim process its position move to it shoot have a delay to shoot again and then repeat

[wispy bluff]

our, not theirs

[rose nova]

but well lore lore, idk

[sharp owl]

ok anyway

[rose nova]

smg best weapon thats headcanon

[sharp owl]

biotracker
bottom text

it can tell

the tech exists

sentries can also tell

we done

[rose nova]

idk skill issue just dont use sentries use mines

way better

[sharp owl]

imo sentries shouldn't be missing at all

When we miss it's our fault
Whne the sentry misses it's random, and that never feels good. Their performance should be consistent

[rose nova]

i dont deny it would be funny seein auto sentry breakin its fuckin neck to just immediately turnin to another enemy after ones dead but idk if thats possible

[sharp owl]

also doesn't help that the sentries that miss most are the worst ones

[rose nova]

would be goofy asf tho

[sharp owl]

that's not what im talking about

[rose nova]

its just shootin and then u hear a CRACK and suddenly its 90 degrees to the other side

[sharp owl]

when it is targeting an enemy it shouldn't be missing

[wispy bluff]

Shooting corpses can literally just be compensated with more ammo, accounting for that funny "feature"

THe aim though...

[sharp owl]

inconsistent damage output

[wispy bluff]

I havent used the thing for a while, so i don't remember what's going on there

In my experience it actually hits its targets

It just killed them with a shot too many for how many bullets it has

[sharp owl]

i sat in vc with a guy with cconsole and they were testin

shotgun missed a lot

like a lot

[rose nova]

dont all sentries miss when the enemy sidesteps

i dont remember

i heard it like, once

in here

[sharp owl]

burst sure as shit doesnt

[wispy bluff]

Visually or on a stat sheet that registers accuracy or something

[sharp owl]

visually

i mean you could tell there were no hitmarkers

[wispy bluff]

Could it be related to the recent "aiming for missing heads" issues that they tried to fix?

[sharp owl]

think so

oh wait no

it shot for their heads im p sure

and just missed

[cursive bane]

what's the benefit of the knife

[thick temple]

fast

[runic inlet]

• no stamina use on attack and a higher chance for avoiding random wakeup

And I think? It also gets a precision bonus? But it's probably negligible

[wispy bluff]

SLight, yes

[runic inlet]

And bonus damage on sleeping enemies okay I'm done I think that's it

[wispy bluff]

It also deals x2 damage to sleeping enemies, weirdly enough

The only time that mechanic is used in the game

[runic inlet]

Knife high-key very fun to use

[wispy bluff]

TL:DR

• Kills small enemies very fast
• Reduced aggro chance
• Also wiki mentions it produces less noise when stabbing locks

[cursive bane]

I see

[sharp owl]

Also long range aggro has a smaller chance to happen

[cursive bane]

ohhh

nice

[thick temple]

is very fun but by no means the best

[cursive bane]

anyone have tips for terminal, aside from the Quary and Ping use ?

I can't find something else

[wispy bluff]

It doesn't have much besides that

[thick temple]

LIST ZONE_XXX RESOURCES

[wispy bluff]

LIST, QUERY, PING

[sharp owl]

It's a stealthi-er and fast melee

[wispy bluff]

The only 3 commands you need

[runic inlet]

LIST U E_<Zone number> is your friend

[thick temple]

if you want you can shorten ZONE_ to E_, and RESOURCES to either RES or U

[wispy bluff]

You can query literally anything

[sharp owl]

help my conciousness is trapped inside this text bubble, help help i want out i want out i cant anym

[wispy bluff]

You can query supplies to see how much they have.
You can even query doors, although i don't know what it says - i never tried

[sharp owl]

says where they go

[runic inlet]

Doors say what they lead to

[sharp owl]

idont think they say alarm or key requirements

[runic inlet]

Very helpful for scouting when you wanna know exactly what to expect

[sharp owl]

which is sstupid

[thick temple]

shortening the filters increases the (relatively) small chance of getting hits that don't actually match the desired results but that's up to you

yeah querying doors saying what they have attached would be kinda neat

[sharp owl]

what does querying lockers and boxes do

[wispy bluff]

LIST RES ZONE is how i do it. Reliable and pleasant to type. I just like typing ZONE, its a very easy to word.

[sharp owl]

apart from telling u zone

[thick temple]

nothing useful

[cursive bane]

Okay. And what use do I get from collecting artifacts ?

I though they were boosts

[wispy bluff]

Boosters.

[thick temple]

i like typing zone as well, and E_ looks so gross to me, though i'm fine with U since it catches other useful things

[sharp owl]

you eventually get a booster when you collect enough, boosters give you buffs

Yo got a simple question, You can join lobbies to find other 3 players right?

[runic inlet]

Ever since I learned the LIST U trick I've been using it since it lists resources, security items, and unknown items

[wispy bluff]

You collect enough artifacts (varies) > you get a booster.

[sharp owl]

and they have limited uses

[thick temple]

artifacts are parts of a booster, you collect enough parts you get a booster

[cursive bane]

for 1 mission and then get consummed ?

[wispy bluff]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[wispy bluff]

Just don't join randomly without see an invitation

[thick temple]

bold and aggressives can have more than one use, but they are limited use yes

[sharp owl]

Muted boosters - 1 use
Bold - Up to 2 use
Agrresive - Up to 3 use

1 mission = 1 use regardless of length or outcome

[thick temple]

i think unless you leave before the first ~30s or so

[sharp owl]

go in a mission and fail 2 minutes in or do a 5 hour marathon for some reason, both are 1 use

[thick temple]

until it says Server Sync in the bottom right

[wispy bluff]

Muted boosters are basically disposable - you can use one every run and never run out and still reach the inventory limit

[sharp owl]

yup

[trim heath]

you are really good at killing smalls and trash at killing anything else, which is really fun but also sometimes really useless

...

grr discord

why no scroll

[cursive bane]

okay

[sharp owl]

If you want a faster melee like the knife but dont want to give up the ability to kill bigs go for the bat

[trim heath]

you can still kill stuff fast with hammer

you only need I think half charge to the head

[sharp owl]

yeah you can

but the weapon itself is slower than the bat or knife

[runic inlet]

You can but bat is still a lower execution barrier

[trim heath]

knife is just easier cause you can do it forever with no stamina cost and yeah it is faster

[sharp owl]

just objectively

[wispy bluff]

Who on earth out there actually considers stamina

[trim heath]

• I find actually hitting heads easier with knife personally

[sharp owl]

its fun to swing at the air while running

[thick temple]

so true

[runic inlet]

There's been maybe a grand total of twice I've thought about bringing knife for no stamina specifically lol

[trim heath]

I mean it matters when you're sprinting around meleeing, can do it longer with stabby

[wispy bluff]

Right

[trim heath]

but yeah that isnt a thought when I go to take hammer over knife

[wispy bluff]

An issue i - as a sprint-allergic spear user - literally never encounter

[trim heath]

normally I look at how fast can I run through sleeper rooms waking everything up right before stabbing it

when I play with my friends I usually just clear half the room and I get to the next alarm door (which might be multiple zones away) before they catch up

[sharp owl]

knife is awesome

[trim heath]

it really is

[sharp owl]

as long as nothing is woken up you're flyin

[trim heath]

except when bigs, then I feel so useless

[wispy bluff]

No difference

Still 1 stab to the face

[trim heath]

yeah

[wispy bluff]

Its an absolutely menace of smalls

[sharp owl]

you don't even need to hit heads in strikers, you can hit their back

[trim heath]

you just run around revoking sleeping loicenses

[earnest forge]

Knife is fun. When you face bigs, shoot (warn your teamates first, maybe)

[wispy bluff]

Just call for parents Hammer and Spear if you see any large men approaching

[sharp owl]

2x sleeping damage gets you there

[trim heath]

yeah my default to bigs is "not my problem"

I try not to shoot to set an example to frens that you can actually kill things with melee

[sharp owl]

you can initiate well against a big boy if they let you go first

hit the back of the head and that's like 5.5 x2x3 damage

33

[trim heath]

eh I can't be bothered most of the time

[sharp owl]

then the slegdehammer can clean it up right after you've done your damage

[trim heath]

I just go clear everything else while the other three hammer/spear it

then come shoot it when room is dead and so are they

[cursive bane]

god I suck at using the double barril shotgun, I feel like it should be a secondary.

[trim heath]

because the giant triple killed them

[sharp owl]

triple barrel

[cursive bane]

Idk, sometimes the room is too large

[cursive bane]

true

surprised me

[trim heath]

honestly I should use the sawed off more

seems like a nice alternative for wanting a shotgun but also wanting like a hel rifle or sth

[sharp owl]

sawed off is nice

kills all the smalls and it dumps damage really fast too

it has the most damage potential out of all main weapons

[cursive bane]

I see

is there a weapon that I should avoid ?

like it sucks

[sharp owl]

the standard assault rifle, machine pistol (usually) and autopistol

[cursive bane]

awh

[sharp owl]

AR is the worst main, autopistol is a weapon that staggers and doesn't kill, machine pistol has tons of recoil and super short range

[cursive bane]

autopistol do no damage

yep

[trim heath]

machine pistol has use cases

[wispy bluff]

Hm

[trim heath]

but I wont spoil them

i dont like it personally tho

[wispy bluff]

Dagger, Sawed off and something for range...

I should try that sometimes

Become the ultimate small killer

[thick temple]

pr

[wispy bluff]

With close range fuck off against giants

[sharp owl]

revolver is a better version of PR change my mind oh wait you CANT

because it's factual

[wispy bluff]

Much faster reload and easier to operate in close distance

Hipfire is also like twice as tight

[sharp owl]

aiming with the revolver isnt a chore

pr is

[trim heath]

pr is a weapon that exists

[wispy bluff]

I think its like the fastest special reload, might be only behind HAR

1.75?!

vs 2.3

[sharp owl]

if you can actually aim pr it's great

[cursive bane]

I was okay until I discovered that the melee ones also have some sort of range attack...

giants too...

[wispy bluff]

Yep, revolver reloads like a fucking main

[sharp owl]

yeah it does

revo is awesome

[wispy bluff]

Small biters only have one attack - the worm's kiss. Its technically a melee attack, but it got a decent range.
Giants can also punch when you get too close, which deals even more damage. Never approach giants if you don't have a plan.

[sharp owl]

giants do not fuck around do not get close to them

they deal 40% in one hit and they can hit you up to three times if you don't get out of its range (i think)

it can definitely hit you twice

[trim heath]

||BBC's||

[cursive bane]

i'm scared

[sharp owl]

trauma

[sharp owl]

about giants?

dont be too afraid, they might be big but they are also slow

they move slowly, they stagger if you blow off a limb, their tongue attack takes a while to deploy

[cursive bane]

yeah

[trim heath]

the only time you get to be very afraid is when you are in a hurry and you run around a corner right into one

[cursive bane]

I have a hugh issue about dodging in this game

[trim heath]

and that only makes you afraid for a second or two

[cursive bane]

i'm not used to those kind of movements

[sharp owl]

giants are a problem if you're already preoccupied with other things

[cursive bane]

so idk how to dodge, sometime I just take damage

[sharp owl]

you usually dont dodge, you should try and stagger the enemies to interupt their attacks

for shooters and their magic voodoo balls of light, move in a circle in place

[little ridge]

Good luck popping ||shadows|| with revolver

[sharp owl]

that'll dodge most of them

[sharp owl]

go back to bed

shush

[little ridge]

No.

😄

[sharp owl]

:<

[little ridge]

:3

[wispy bluff]

You can flawlessly delete an entire scout wave just by yourself with PR

That large magazine allows you to do a lot

[sharp owl]

if

you can aim it

[wispy bluff]

Still.

[little ridge]

You can with revolver too if you can aim with it, the reload time on revolver is really minimal

[cursive bane]

okay

[wispy bluff]

I'm a big user of that and its honestly not bad anymore.

[cursive bane]

if you know someone french that could help It would help

[wispy bluff]

Like yeah yeah, reload takes a while - but you get a lot of things done by that point.

[little ridge]

But IMHO Thermals simply make up for PR's fault as along as the map needs thermals

[wispy bluff]

Also as previously mentioned - i'm not friends with ironsights.

[sharp owl]

my problem with PR is that the head blends into the body often times

the heat sight is a hinderance because you need the precision

[wispy bluff]

How is that possible?

Never had that

[junior latch]

Oh right
Cuz PR doesnr dumpster
Scouts, any type of shadows.
Is actually good vs bosses and can deal with hybrids/chickens

[little ridge]

I think he refers to the scrambled effect thermals sometimes have

[sharp owl]

well if it's naruto running or crawling at you all you see is a body shaped blob and the head itself isn't visible

[trim heath]

tbh I think I would rather have pdw

[sharp owl]

you need to say "hm the head is probably around here"

[wispy bluff]

Perhaps, but it is most often there indeed

Even if you miss - that's 13 raw damage

[sharp owl]

and revolver is 14

[wispy bluff]

Your local HELRev crackhead can just shoot the guy once anywhere else and its done.

[junior latch]

which doesnt matter

[sharp owl]

lmao

at artek not u eva

[junior latch]

PR is honestly better in most situations than revo rn

[little ridge]

ehhhhh it really depends, if I'm shooting shadows up close I could (I dont but that's just me) just deal with them by seeing well, their shadows

[sharp owl]

i have a problem, i am addicted to PR

[trim heath]

more like I dont mind giving up my main weapon slot compared to my special

[little ridge]

PR enables stuff like shooting shadows from a range, is good in low visibility situations

[sharp owl]

im trying other weapons but it's too cool to stop using it

[trim heath]

I love my hel rifle or chokemod

[little ridge]

Very popular r4e1 extreme pick

[sharp owl]

so i switched to revo

[little ridge]

can kill scouts easier than rev can etc

[wispy bluff]

I think with 1.75 reload time (jesus christ, i din't know it was that fast) i would guess it performs better in tight rooms where PR just doesn't have the safety of range for its' reload

[junior latch]

pdw is just as mid as PR honestly

[trim heath]

yeah

[wispy bluff]

Oh really?

The nerf has been doing numbers?

[trim heath]

its mid but it allows me to take a second slot weapon I actually want

[junior latch]

taking pdw means you use a utility pick

PR means you want its value

[junior latch]

moreso everything else being buffed

Pdw never was top tier

[cursive bane]

is there a command that could help me finding keycards ?

(2nd level of the game)

[wispy bluff]

That's not what i remember with people gushing about it

[trim heath]

list key

[little ridge]

LIST KEY then QUERY KEY

[cursive bane]

that green fog is killing me

[trim heath]

^^

[little ridge]

like QUERY KEY_RED_101

[sharp owl]

pdw is a thermal camera with a gun attached to it for emergencies

[cursive bane]

can't see shit

thanks

[junior latch]

Revolver is more comfortable, more adaptable vs standard smalls and doesnt suffer as much in short range

[trim heath]

exactly

and since I only care about it for the thermal I am cool with that

[sharp owl]

like key, query key, ping key

[cursive bane]

I mean

[little ridge]

I dont know I just think that revolver doesn't really complement other teammates loadouts sometimes

[cursive bane]

urf not key

the

uhm

[junior latch]

PR when it solo carries r6d3 lobbies

[cursive bane]

identity piece

idk how u call it in english

"find 12"

[junior latch]

ID

[little ridge]

r1b1

[trim heath]

list id e_<zone you are in>

[junior latch]

List the zone you are in

[sharp owl]

LIST ID ZONE_XYZ

[cursive bane]

thanks guys

[junior latch]

then ping the specific ids

[sharp owl]

when in zone, PING ID_69Z420Y

[wispy bluff]

I did that. Man, i remember doing that bit "properly" in OG... How times have changed.

[cursive bane]

uh

[little ridge]

69 420 😄

[sharp owl]

the FUNNI numbers

i have an addiction to using PR because it has such insane potential but im so bad at using it

like 12 kills in one mag?

thermals?

long range?

OHK scouts?

it does so much stuff

but im so SHIT with the weapon like omg

[wispy bluff]

Deep breath and focus on the reticle. Like REALLY focus. Do the gamer lean if you have to.

[trim heath]

I would rather have dmr than pr for getting 12 kills per mag

[little ridge]

the what?

[junior latch]

i mean in contrast it sucks vs chargers, in low range, vs giants its meh

And it absolutely cant reload during combat to safe its life

[little ridge]

is it like the Michael Jackson thing?

[sharp owl]

honestly in short range

[little ridge]

Smooth Prisoner

[junior latch]

someone seems to still be biased from pre buff PR lol

[trim heath]

yeah

the reload feels too long to use it over dmr

for that purpose

[sharp owl]

the hipfire is only ever so slightly larger than a striker's head
90% of the time you can just hipfire it

[junior latch]

dmr is a main

[wispy bluff]

You lean forward to get closer to TV/Screen to really see what's going on.

[junior latch]

pr is a special that actually outputs well

[wispy bluff]

Just google it - it immediately shows you the concept art, lmao

[cursive bane]

there's nothing. So It means there is no more thing to find ?

idk

[trim heath]

yeah that means no id in that zone

[junior latch]

this the same type thing that makes people put sawed off into trash tier lol

[trim heath]

so you go to next one

[cursive bane]

I guess

should I type the same but with the next one ?

like not 45c but 45D ?

[junior latch]

you dont list rooms

[trim heath]

you use the zone number not the letter

[junior latch]

only the zone

[sharp owl]

yes

[junior latch]

If you do 45c it wont show anything ever

[trim heath]

yeah you just do 45

[sharp owl]

this doesnt work, you can't list parts of zones, only the whole zone

[trim heath]

that tells you what is in zone 45, then when you ping it you get to see which room it is in (A, B, C etc)

[cursive bane]

OH OK

does it show me what there is or what's left ?

[junior latch]

This is the exact same?

[cursive bane]

I mean

if I pick some

and there is one left

[trim heath]

if you pick something up it will disappear from the terminal

[cursive bane]

thanks

so I type

List 45 ?

[trim heath]

list id e_45

this shows you the ID's in zone 45

[cursive bane]

i'm a bit idiotic lmao

thanks

[trim heath]

you can type out zone_45 but e_45 works

[sharp owl]

LIST <item or property> ZOINE_XYZ

so LIST ID ZONE_40

[cursive bane]

thanks

[sharp owl]

list no longer sounds like a real word

[jovial nebula]

FML I've never thought of using "id", tried all kinds of "personnel id, personnel, per_id" etc

[shut vapor]

pretty epic

[trim heath]

another common is list res e_<zone number

which lists resources

like ammo tool and med

then list key/cell/bulkhead/osip/glp/insert other objective type item

[little ridge]

LIST SLEEP

[trim heath]

list your mom

[thick temple]

in absolute worst case, if you need to find what you're looking for, you can do LIST -A and that'll list everything in the level, then just scan your eyes over the list looking for anything abnormal and you'll probably have what you care about

[wispy bluff]

Yep

[jovial nebula]

I tried "LIST ALL" omg

my dos skills have failed me

[thick temple]

i think if you just type LIST it'll say it lol
but yeah, i understand 100% lol

[sharp owl]

1 more attempt at c1

and i missed the code

this is driviiinggg meee craaazyyy

[mystic moss]

don't die at extract

[sharp owl]

watch me die at extract

[sharp owl]

died at wave three wooohooo

BC not instantly killing giants really hurts me

i got a train ran on me by one striker and one giant

BCd the giant but then i was out of bullets on both guns

this feels impossible

[gray pilot]

The impossible map 🤯

[wispy bluff]

Why are you trying to true solo this again

Never understood people trying to playing the game wrong and then being surprised it doesn't quite work

[unreal crystal]

impossible level

[junior latch]

improving i guess

[normal lake]

why bother playing gtfo at all since the game is hard and can stress you out when more relaxing easy games exist

[sharp siren]

is that the bite of 87

[unreal crystal]

🤯

[pine root]

🤯 how does one solo this game without shooter bug

[unreal crystal]

this is a shooter bug kinda level...

[pine root]

XD

THE FLYERS ARE COMING

[normal lake]

i just saw c1 what level exactly is it out of curiosity

[unreal crystal]

r1c1

[pine root]

C 1 T H E Y A R E H E R E

[unreal crystal]

rundown 1 c1

[normal lake]

lmfao a reactor solo even if r1c1

yikes that would be pretty brutal

i did r1a1, b1, and b2 solo cant imagine doing r1c1

[junior latch]

hybrids make it annoying

[wispy bluff]

The surprise death squad of hybrids is the source of the wipes pretty much exclusively.

A lot of brute force down the pipe

[junior latch]

otherwise, push up, shoot, fall back when needed, shoot while falling back til fine
repeat

[normal lake]

I considered giving it a try

[junior latch]

altho, i have not shot up wave 8

[normal lake]

it would be a very cool level to have a solo completion on

[junior latch]

i legit just push up far, then fall back slowly, input code and run to extract through the wave

[normal lake]

i dont remember shit about the level

doesnt it have invis on extract or am i crazy

[mystic moss]

that's r2c1

[wispy bluff]

No, but it does have something suspiciously looking like scripted spawns as you get closer to the extraction

Always catches me by surprise, bastards

[normal lake]

yeah its been so long since i did anything r1

other than my solo runs at the lower levels

my brain stored somewhere that there was invis in a r1 extract but ig it was r2

[wispy bluff]

I bot-solo'd C1 as proof of concept recently. Honestly not as bad as it could be, but got scared couple of times.

The hybrid wave and the giant waves in particular. They just kinda catch you by surprise if you don't have a way to nuke giants quickly - because lord knows bots are not doing anything about them.

[normal lake]

i think i might get 2-3 codes in true solo before fumbling a code or some stupid shit

i can handle giants

[wispy bluff]

I think you'll just get overrun.

[normal lake]

hybrids are a different beast

[wispy bluff]

Even 3 bots and 2 turrest barely hold the wave back.

Alone its basically an exercise in tactical retreat, i imagine.

[normal lake]

honestly i could see it being completely doable wtih the right weapons

and some pretty good aim and kiting

true solo takes some getting used to during waves and shit but its most certainly possible to hold off a lot of enemies

the hardest part is knowing when to fuckin reload

[cursive bane]

what does the heartbeat feature do exactly ?

[wispy bluff]

Its a stamina indicator. The higher your heartrate - the lower stamina you have.

~65 is the default value when in a calm situation or in an empty room. With any awake enemy present it automatically jumps to 70 and grows only higher from there.
Sprinting, jumping and using your melee weapons costs stamina and once it reaches a low enough point (like 120 BPM) - you will walk slower, sprint will basically not work and i think even melee gets worse, somehow?... Not sure about the latter honestly, i do not fight in melee at 120 BPM or above.

[normal lake]

i believe melee charges slower

[cursive bane]

okay

[rose nova]

yeah think it was the charge of the weapon gets abit slower

[pine root]

And shove is slower

[cursive bane]

thanks

[ivory radish]

This game is insane. I now finished the 1. Map of 71 and that took me nearly 5 hours. How I am supposed to finish that?

[unreal crystal]

u end up improving and it gets a lot faster typically

Minus some difficult levels

[pine root]

Most levels in the game are 40 minutes long

You probably are doing some behaviours that are very very safe

[ivory radish]

Well it's just that we failed 4 times before we finished it. The last objective was to reach extraction point is that an unlimited wave?

[unreal crystal]

yes

endless wave of a few enemies every whatever time period it is

[steep elm]

its so funny that in a matchmade lobby, it took 5 attempts to not finish the first level of the first descent

all because of scouts

[sharp owl]

you improve more and more

you learn more and more

[sharp siren]

start taking more risks

5 hours its too much

even for this game

[wispy bluff]

You get carried, simple as.

[sharp siren]

dont listen what artek says

[trim heath]

5 hours is being super mega cautious through an E1

even then

you probably went afk for an hour if it took that long

[wispy bluff]

With harder levels you just spam a level with random LFG squads and eventually some lad or two will get you through, provided you at the very least follow directions and shoot semi-decently.

[sharp siren]

90% of what he said its wrong anyways

[normal lake]

speed run the a, and b tier, dont learn from mistakes because we dont make those, when you struggle on c and d tier just keep retrying brute forcing the level then come back to complain in this server when you cant do e tier levels at all

[rose nova]

do they mean 5 hours with all the attempts? i mean its still slow but

would b better than just 5 hours in one run

[unreal crystal]

It’s 5 hours with all the attempts

[trim heath]

ouch

I mean that will drop to maybe 20 mins for that level once you get more familiar with the game

[junior latch]

honestly taking 5 hours in 1 attempt on r7a1 is impossible unless you afk

[trim heath]

idk

I have seen things you cannot imagine

[junior latch]

id argue 1 hour is already questionable as hell for 1 attempt

[unreal crystal]

Strawmanning

[trim heath]

I think it is possible

but not likely

[wispy bluff]

You just understimate how scared new people of sleeping enemies.

[junior latch]

but as a new guy, especially if alone an hour happens quickly if cautious

and over multipel attempts it stacks up

[trim heath]

ye

[wispy bluff]

Also just finding correct directions... Decisions making because they don't know how to make a said decision... Taking in the sights...

[trim heath]

once you realize you dont have to be afraid of most rooms times go way down

[junior latch]

eh, ive played r1a1 with a ton of new friends and perfectl remember my time as a newbie
1 hour clears of A1s is common

[trim heath]

like

[normal lake]

honestly r1a1 if thats what he considered the first level which id say most do is honestly kinda difficult for a brand new player

[junior latch]

not 5 hours

[normal lake]

2 scouts, a class 3 and a class 4 alarm

[wispy bluff]

That's 5 hours with failed attempts, i believe

[junior latch]

R1A1 definetly can take an hour for a completely new, cautious group

[wispy bluff]

He didn't spend 5 hours on a single run

[junior latch]

r7a1 is super linear

and has pretty small zones

[trim heath]

ye this I mistook it too at the start

r7a1 is a straight line for the most part

[junior latch]

get key in zone 46 and you have a max of 10 rooms with enemies lol

[trim heath]

you probably can also just shoot your way through it too

[normal lake]

r7a1 is literally the only level in the game where a brand new player could true solo the level first try

[junior latch]

class 2 and 4

[junior latch]

"could" yes
will, never

[normal lake]

yeah no one will ever start there and no one with sense will play true solo

[junior latch]

a blind new player wont be able to figure out alarms and the extract is tough to carry and shoot

[normal lake]

i got the memory of a fuckin potato

[trim heath]

esp if they dont use the doors on the way out

[junior latch]

as in, theoretically could
but theyd have to be either insanely observant and skilled or just spoiled/know stuff ahead of playing

[wispy bluff]

There is a chance i think, if you're just really good at FPS in general

[trim heath]

that cuts a lot of effort out of it

[wispy bluff]

It will be hard and nerve-wracking, but some mad lad could to it

[unreal crystal]

I love cloud gaming

[trim heath]

'cause iirc theres two between the first security door and the extraction that you can use

might just be one tho

[junior latch]

beth, who are you talking to and what are you talking about

[unreal crystal]

I’m saying this conversation is dumb

Ppl being like “well they COULD solo it”

No they couldn’t

They are not first trying a true solo as a brand new player

[trim heath]

nah they wouldnt

it might be possible

but I dont think anyone would do it

[unreal crystal]

There’s a lot that goes into it that they will not be able to pick up themselves

[trim heath]

ye, statistics would prob play a part on whether or not they just randomly do the right thing at the right time

[rose nova]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[desert gulch]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[wispy bluff]

I mean what would be the wiping pitfalls...

[unreal crystal]

idk man maybe the class 2 and class 4 alarm

but who knows

Could be anything really

[wispy bluff]

I'm reffering to R7A1, just in case.

[unreal crystal]

what would the brand new player wipe on…

[wispy bluff]

First exposure to stealth: hopefully they picked up the basics from TRAINING?
First alarm is a big one. Probably won't close the door, probably won't use the tool, pray to gods they bring a burst sentry.
First exposure to giants - hopefully won't get punched.
Probably won't search for ammo with a terminal - potential to run out of ammo?
2nd alarm they'll probably be more ready and prepare at least somewhat.
Moving back with the objective item is the last chance, but once they make it to extraction circle - its over, funnel too good.

[trim heath]

not clearing rooms and just stealthing through them, getting first extraction wave spawn in the big open room then meeting it around that big door that you usually use for the alarm, not dropping item proactively to shoot. the second alarm (first one is weak with the funnel whether or not the door is used), giants

[wicked solstice]

nobody is going to first try true solo a level with 0 experience

[trim heath]

I dont think ammo will be a concern

you have to try to run out of ammo on an A1

I'm relatively confident that I could solo it with no pickups and a mine deployer (no med, tool, or ammo, true solo)

and theres two rooms you have to go through that have ammo med and tool in them

[junior latch]

If a new player is told to try their absolute best of surviving solo and is allowed to do training then they

1. learn the terminal well enough to figure out where ammo is and how to ping
2. close the door, setup tool (even if suboptimally)

but cleaning up the alarm is gonna be rough for them, even on the class 2

Potential wipe points:

1. first alarm shooting
2. triggering giant + room clean up
3. class 3 alarm (this will be rough)
4. walk to extract with neonate

[trim heath]

yea

[junior latch]

could be done, but you gonna be basically 0/0 at the end at best

[trim heath]

I think it would depend on the guns they take + how familiar they are with fps games

[trim heath]

idk, mine takes care of both alarms for the most part almost on its own

[unreal crystal]

Do you guys think a rock could move on its own

[trim heath]

extraction would suck

maybe cfoam actually

foam the doors should give time to do scans

can refoam door 2

[junior latch]

you get an extra spawn for 1st alarm because wave dies -> new wave spawns

second alarm the mines do minor help but you still gotta shoot at least 1 wave, maybe 1 1/2

[trim heath]

should be able to thin them out then melee

if you can get scans done before contact

[pine root]

New players

Struggle with using tools

[sharp siren]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing_stones

[junior latch]

you cant perma foam 2nd alarm long enough

[pine root]

Let’s alone clearing waves

[unreal crystal]

I don’t think it matters what loadout they take

They are not going to clean up a wave

[junior latch]

im flabbergasted beth actually asked if move can move on their own

[trim heath]

yeah, does mean less killing tho

[junior latch]

dissappointment

[junior latch]

stacked wave -> need to kill, cant stay on scan -> extra wave likely

[trim heath]

I would 100% be on regen by the second alarm tho

yeah I dont recall the scans taking that long tho

[junior latch]

remember, you are ~50/50 on ammo at the start for 2 alarms and extract

[trim heath]

ye

[junior latch]

you can prob do it chill on a 2 use ammo

[trim heath]

definitely

[junior latch]

but theres a reason solo speedruns rly want 4 uses (at least 2 ammo) of tool/ammo combined

[trim heath]

I might try true solo no pickups just to see how far I get

[junior latch]

tbh

just pick knife

and melee

[trim heath]

yeah

I would

[junior latch]

you can easily clean up 1st alarm solo