gtfo-chat

[silk blade]

thats cause it is truly the carbine of all time

[junior latch]

except you ignore that theres different skill expression

[modern coral]

I feel like I see more Carbine complaints than praise from fresh players, tbh.

[wicked solstice]

imagine using carbinecl

[modern coral]

Like I said, a lot of new players just don't get the weapon.

[silk blade]

true some people just arent great at aiming

[modern coral]

Like, somebody on Reddit told me that they don't like Carbine on surges because they struggle to hit the 2-burst consistently.

[junior latch]

this isnt

Hel revo does 9/10 and requires 8/10 skill
vs carbine with 9/10 and 1/10

Its hel revo does up to 12/10 with 9/10 skill and carbine does up to 9/10 with 5/10 skill

[modern coral]

Like, mf, what are you doing.

Press M1

[torpid rose]

This is like watching penguins fight over a fish in the zoo

[wraith marsh]

ok rick

thanks for your input

[silk blade]

11/10 not 12

[torpid rose]

LOL

[wicked solstice]

[silk blade]

what we really need is uh

[junior latch]

The numbers i chose arent actually indicating anything. Anyway a perfectly played hel revo is absolutely unparalleled

[silk blade]

machine pistol buffs

[wicked solstice]

carbine cannon

[wraith marsh]

machine pistol fire rate buff was a mistake

[silk blade]

so hard to perfectly play...

[junior latch]

Hel auto burst cannon

[wraith marsh]

the players are so funny

[silk blade]

why? not like its good...

[junior latch]

[silk blade]

well no

machine pistol isnt bad

i like it sometimes

[modern coral]

Ehhhhhh

[wraith marsh]

in theory a dps buff is almost never bad

[silk blade]

i just hate how low range iti s

[wraith marsh]

but you just fire too much now

[wicked solstice]

Ray

[silk blade]

auto pistol better at waves

[wicked solstice]

What would you change about ar

I’ve been meaning to ask you

[modern coral]

I think it says a lot that MP has more of a niche now than it ever has, and yet it's still not very good.

[wicked solstice]

Because I changed it in Occlusion and I’m not haply with it

[modern coral]

It's just okay rn.

[junior latch]

machine pp imo is same tier as AR, hel pp and bullpup

[modern coral]

Give it similar breakpoints to HSMG, move HSMG to special.

[junior latch]

not rly baad. But definetly not on the fine end

[modern coral]

It should be on par w/ if not beat out bullpup on breakpoints.

[wicked solstice]

ok i don’t know breakpoints :3

[modern coral]

Do math

[junior latch]

AR on burst rifle dmg

[wispy bluff]

not gonna lie, AR doesn't feel as punchy as you hope it to be

Increased damage will be a perfect solution

[silk blade]

assault rifle?

[wispy bluff]

Yes

[silk blade]

why arent people talking about the burst rifle

[modern coral]

AR is a 7-shot rn, HSMG is a 6-shot.

[wispy bluff]

Because its fine

[junior latch]

Cuz its good, but not outstanding

[crude bay]

Let it hold a bit more ammo and you are good

[modern coral]

AR should be 6-shot or 5-shot.

[wispy bluff]

Although could use a recoil improvement

[junior latch]

Wat

[modern coral]

Bullpup is also 6-shot.

[junior latch]

it barely has any

[wispy bluff]

Burst weapons that kick have always been a weird combo to me

[junior latch]

burst rifle has recoil???

[silk blade]

is burst rifle truly in the perfect spot of balanced?

[wicked solstice]

ok wdym breakpoints tho

Like shots to break head?

idk the term

[wispy bluff]

shots to kill

[junior latch]

Depends on where you want the main weapons to be

I have it 5th best rn personally

[wicked solstice]

Ahhhh ok

[junior latch]

Shots to kill wth headshots into bs

[modern coral]

A "breakpoint" is the point at which you have sufficient damage to hit a larger damage value in 1 fewer shots.

[wicked solstice]

got it

[silk blade]

what was ur tierlist again

[wicked solstice]

ok ty

[junior latch]

? Huh

[wicked solstice]

So for a striker to 5 shot I’d need like

[silk blade]

i feel like u once showed a tier list for the weapons

[wicked solstice]

4 damage per boolet

0_p

That’s a lot

[junior latch]

Yes i showed one for mains and one for specials

[junior latch]

No

[wicked solstice]

well ig less

Yeah

[junior latch]

you forget headshots

[wicked solstice]

Headshots

[junior latch]

and precision multi works into that obviously

[wicked solstice]

How much damage breaks head?

[versed bay]

hi there, I am literally brand new to the game. A quick discord question, if I host a game, do we communicate through discord, or through the game itself? And do I need to mute the game audio chat if using discord?

[wispy bluff]

10 i think?

[junior latch]

10 for striker

[wicked solstice]

Ok

So it needs uhhhhh

[wispy bluff]

Prefferably discord, because it got better sound quality and easier to control.

[wicked solstice]

damn

[crude bay]

You can do both

[wicked solstice]

My brain no work

[junior latch]

you overkill on it tho

So if you did 9,9 with a hs and then shoot again you did 19,8 dmg

[wispy bluff]

okay lets try 3.0 for experiment sake

what was AR prec again...

[modern coral]

.8

[junior latch]

thats a 4 shot

[wicked solstice]

probably .74 to .73

[wispy bluff]

0.8x cringes

[wicked solstice]

WHAT

ok damn

[wispy bluff]

here comes the calculator

[wicked solstice]

that’s higher than I thought AND a clean number

👌

[versed bay]

@wispy bluff @crude bay many thanks

[junior latch]

With burst rifle dmg its a 5 shot btw

[crude bay]

😊

[junior latch]

I legit answered already

[wispy bluff]

7.2 headshot damage, head pops after 2, that's 5.6 hp left and that's exactly 2x3.0 bullets, lovely

a breakpoint of 4 kinda mean though

[wicked solstice]

2.74

[wispy bluff]

6.576 per head, head breaks... 6.848 remains... 3 bullets to finish

yep, that's a 5

6 kills per mag kinda strong though, don't you think?

[junior latch]

You could do 2,9 @wicked solstice
It gives it better bs breakpoint while still only having a 5 shot breakpoint with hs

[junior latch]

On perfect accuracy and control

[wicked solstice]

hold on

[junior latch]

artek look at smg, bullpup and co pls

[wraith marsh]

nobody does it

[rose nova]

dak can u give ar the dmg of a scattergun for every shot

[wraith marsh]

this is where the argument that auto efficiency is never met comes from

[wicked solstice]

wait eva

Is 19.10 special?

[wraith marsh]

or even come close to

[wicked solstice]

Because I’m seeing 2.9 as a 6 shot

[junior latch]

19.1?

[wicked solstice]

because 5 shots comes to 19.10

[junior latch]

huh

how

[wraith marsh]

did you do .74 precision or .8

[wispy bluff]

A reminder that small striker headshot is x3. Apparently.

[junior latch]

yes

it is

[rough robin]

boom headshot (this creature no longer even possesses a brain to be a weak spot)

[junior latch]

6,96 dmg per hs

So 13.92 dmg after headbreak
+2.9 + 2.9 + 2.9

= 22.62

5 shot

but 2.9 also gives you a 7 shot bs

[wicked solstice]

What

it’s 3x?

Whay

how

Huh

[wide moss]

Shouldnt hitting the large mass on their stomach do more damage than a headshot

It just makes more sense

[wicked solstice]

Head is where the thinker thonks

[rough robin]

I feel like their 'logical' weakpoint would be their weird glowing heart

but that's too easy to hit

[wicked solstice]

And also just a video game mechanic

[junior latch]

Math

[wispy bluff]

I thought i was being gaslit too

[wicked solstice]

mmmm

I still might be

[wispy bluff]

I got too used to big boys' x1.5

[wicked solstice]

You never know with this server

[junior latch]

dak, just trust my math

[wispy bluff]

So i just assumed small borthers are either the same or like x2 at best

[vivid torrent]

Qualche ita per un partita?

[wicked solstice]

Tbh if there’s anyone who I trust to know shit on this server it’s you

[wispy bluff]

I proved it to myself by reverse engineering pistol occi oneshot

[junior latch]

have i trolled ya before

[wicked solstice]

not statwise

[junior latch]

Excluding teamkilling

[wicked solstice]

[junior latch]

[wide moss]

It’s not though

They live without it

[silk blade]

Real ones use in game chat because the audio is worse which makes it feel more realistic

[pine root]

All sleepers are either ones or twos

[analog flicker]

[wheat meteor]

is the game actually not going to be updated anymore?

[rose nova]

after r8 drops we might get some like bug fixes and maybs balancing stuff and all that like it happens with the other rundowns sometimes

but, r8 its last content bit

then its up to modded

[sharp owl]

yes hand over

[silk blade]

They said r8 is the last planned update, but the devs still like the game so while unlikely it isn't impossible that there'll be new things after 8 but you shouldn't expect it

[last parrot]

last planned content update

[safe quartz]

Alguien habla español?

[rose nova]

wnas

wnas tardes noches dias

[serene jewel]

there's no ETA on R8?

[rose nova]

nuh

[serene jewel]

sad

[rose nova]

theres no 7th greek letter

im sorry

[green flume]

I guess during/after game awards

[surreal plaza]

every gtfo player has the 'I can literally floss with this rn' moment with scouts

[sharp owl]

OUT OF YOUR FRIENDS WHICH ARE YOU

TRUCK FREAK
CRAZY ASS
Ξφψάϊβ
THE FIGHTER

Someone should make an edit like that but with gtfo

[little ridge]

I got pinged for an argument I wanted to partecipate in but now it's too late

[crude bay]

@little ridge start a new one then

New argument for a new topic

[sharp owl]

We should have better downed activities

I've seen people play tic tac toe on the map screen while a guy cluthes the mission

Make it so i can switch sides while sleeping

Or something

[coarse grail]

It should start a round of gtfo auto chess

[little ridge]

Shadow shooters should be a thing

(the projectiles are shadows too)

[coarse grail]

only if their head is the striker model

[charred ember]

yeah this game is pretty bad on optimizing

keep running out of gpu

crash itself and discord

[normal lake]

just run it in a aspect ratio where reading is no longer possible

rely on teammates to tell you what that neat thing in the top left says

[wide moss]

What gpu do you have

Also you can offload a lot to cpu

[silk blade]

I have not heard of someone crashing on gtfo

Because of gpu

[normal lake]

honestly i also dont think ive ever crashed even back on my old quadro k4000

the game did lag hella bad tho

[earnest forge]

Discord has been crashing for me quite a few times, while playing different games.

And my display usually crashes when it does

[normal lake]

thats also not something ive ever had happen but discord def does have its moments

[earnest forge]

More often lately than it used to

[normal lake]

Internet suggest that it may be a ram issue

that and disabling hardware acceleration may be a fix

computers be weird

[balmy moat]

GTFO nearly bricked my GPU once when streaming R6

It's a real thing

[charred ember]

its very real

[serene jewel]

My game keeps freezing when I first start playing, is that a ram issue?

[silk blade]

Check in task Manager ig

[serene jewel]

Yeah no bueno

Because it's either cpu or ram or both

They're the only ones maxing out

[normal lake]

how much ram you got?

if ya got 8gb of ram or less i can def see it being the problem, a older cpu would def struggle aswell but it shouldnt be nearly as large a issue

[serene jewel]

yeah 8GB ram, ryzen 3200g

[normal lake]

From what i can tell you are running about at bare minimum requirements for the game

I imagine cpu is your chokepoint

Honestly your cpu is pretty much on the nose for the minimum and your ram is exactly the minimum

really depends on how well 10 chambers estimated there system requirements on steam

if game devs even are the ones who post that im not sure

[mint light]

Yeah 8GB ram nowadays is kinda R.I.P

[normal lake]

running a youtube video on firefox, steam, discord, and windows 10 is using 8gb of ram

[mint light]

Luckily ram is dirt cheap

[normal lake]

cant imagine having less

considering this guys cpu im guessing his mobo is also running ddr4 and god forbid ddr3 ram which is slower aswell

[mint light]

Ddr3 would be bad. DDr4 is still acceptable

A lot of folks haven't jumped over to ddr5 yet

[wispy bluff]

RIP me with 16gb of dr3

[mint light]

Altho even ddr5 is super cheap nowadays, you DO need that new mobo with it

[normal lake]

if you got 16gb of it your doing great

[mint light]

Time for an upgrade m8

[serene jewel]

yeah I have ddr4 mobo

[normal lake]

having 8 gb of it is ouch

[wispy bluff]

My motherboard doesn't support anything else so...

[normal lake]

been there i get it

[wispy bluff]

It's new pc from scratch, which is impossible with my current economy.

[mint light]

If you can get 16 GB you'd be gucci.

[wispy bluff]

Maybe a loan 🤔

[mint light]

DDR4 16 GB would be like 30 -50 bucks

[serene jewel]

nice, I should be getting a new ram stick soon

[normal lake]

cant upgrade your ram without upgrading your mobo, cant upgrade your mobo without a new cpu, likely cant upgrade cpu without a psu

suddenly a ram upgrade is like 400$

[mint light]

Not really AMD cpu's fit on a lot of boards as they keep the socket around for 5 years

Altho now They just switched to AM5 soooo

[normal lake]

yeah thats fair honestly im still used to intels bullshit sockets changing like a revolving door

still havent adjusted to the amd lifestyle despite having a fully amd pc

[mint light]

Took Ryzen, never looked back

[normal lake]

honestly this

cheaper products and way easier to work with aswell

[mint light]

But now They switched to AM5 I guess for next upgrade your comment is applicable. complete upgrade

[normal lake]

man i built my pc after 2 years of holding out because of the market then 6 months later the market finally returned to normal im still pissed about that

[mint light]

hehehe

[normal lake]

i spent 300-400 more on my pc then i would have had to

i was on a old dell pc with 32gb ddr3 ram, a 3gb vram gpu, and the best cpu you could buy... in 2009

[mint light]

Man Just saw that 32 GB DDR5 is just 100 bucks. Ram will not be an issue for upgrades😅

[mint light]

And for you: 16 GB DDR4 for 40 bucks

[normal lake]

biggest waste for me was spending 200$ on a 2tb ssd just for the price to plummet to like 60$ now

that one fuckin hurts every time i see ssds on sale

[normal lake]

its worth it man, cpu and gpus are expensive as hell but ram really does improve pc performance for everyday task dramatically

[mint light]

Next mobo I get an extra M2 slot and buy myself a 2nd 2 TB drive

[normal lake]

I used to say "I will never use that much space"

now i got 1tb left on my main ssd and 6 other ssds for other shit and servers

[mint light]

Yep but 5 TB further and I need MOAR

[normal lake]

honestly

when games like ark exist that take fucking 400gb of storage its hard to imagine not having such a stupid amount of storage

[mint light]

Exactly why I got mycfirst 2 TB drive

that game man

[normal lake]

I enjoy ark but you need a fuckin whole drive dedicated to just it

[mint light]

But yeah I could do with less cause I download very fast but meh. am lazy

[normal lake]

Also fallout 76 is free to play for a few days and its 100gb plan on trying it for the first time ever with my buddies

just another reason to have a big ass drive

[silk blade]

You see 400 GB is too much

I cannot play ark because I do not want to download a 400 GB game

[mint light]

My first 5 games are 100+ GB

[normal lake]

if you download 0 dlc its 120gb

[silk blade]

That's still uh

[mint light]

you do not need to download everything at once lmao

[silk blade]

Large

[normal lake]

yeah i feel you

[mint light]

yeah the game is huge

but 120 GB is not langer than most titels nowadays

[silk blade]

Is it huge cause unoptimized or huge cause lazy

[normal lake]

in fairness tho if you have the money for a pc that can play ark you likely have a drive big enough to store it

that game runs like wet ass

[mint light]

No huge as in content

[mint light]

True

[silk blade]

It has that much content?

[mint light]

Count around 900 hours to finish the story line blind

And I know folks with 5k that have not touched the story line yet

[normal lake]

to put in perspective how much there is to do in ark i have 167 hours of gameplay on one of the several very different and unique maps

thats not counting all the time i put in on xbox back in the day

[mint light]

I did a focus playthrough to do the story.

[normal lake]

its a very fun game and extremely easy to customize to your own liking cus base game rates are a fucking slog

[mint light]

We use X3 on our servers

Cause f the normal rates

[normal lake]

i bred a army of rexes so big i could fill a feeding trough and it would be empty in under 10 second

[normal lake]

pretty much what i do aswell

[mint light]

you can customize it as well

[normal lake]

i still want a grind but nothing to that extent base game is to much

[mint light]

Also army breeding I leave to Dino storage V2

Did it multiple times, now I don't touch it anymore

[normal lake]

My least favorite base game setting is getting into a fight and your dino takes more than 5k damage now its like a 3 hour wait to heal the bitch

[mint light]

Also customizable + you got healing pigs

[normal lake]

but that can be customized which is just another thing i enjoy

[mint light]

The trick is to have 40+ of your mounts so you just swap to another

We now on aberration story line wise

[normal lake]

yeah we always 3x or 5x healing rates of dinos its still pretty balanced but way more enjoyable when your just tryna have a chill time building a massive stone castle

[mint light]

It's my favorite map and it's a nice reset

Did Island and Scorched Alpha

Butnon another cluster I done all maps alpha except Gen 2

[normal lake]

its a game thats def worth the storage it cost but if your pc cant run it the game sucks ass due to optimization

ark makes gtfo optimization look perfect

[mint light]

Oh well. As long as I maintain 60-70 fps I am happy

[junior latch]

Aberration > all other maps

[normal lake]

honestly the best you can ask for

[junior latch]

Tbh aberration is best when starting on

[mint light]

Definitely. that map is insanely good

[mint light]

Yeah but we doing progress so my char is levelled up

[normal lake]

Ill give my opinion on aberration in about 6 months when i am no longer burnt out on the game

[mint light]

A shame they never managed to do something as good as aberration. It's so far above the rest

[normal lake]

its the next map i plan on doing a playthrough of

as of now ragnarok is my favorite but i aint played em all so it makes sense

[mint light]

I run em in cluster so I bring all tames back to the main base on the island etc and cycle the 2nd server

After aberration it will be time for Extinction again .... my least favorite

[normal lake]

when i load up a new map its a fresh wipe

[junior latch]

Aberration just has the design in looks, progression, tames and danger scale

[normal lake]

host a dedicated server in my living room for me and my 3-4 buddies and we just chill for a few weeks

[mint light]

Yeah and the fact it forbids flyers is a good call from the devs

[junior latch]

extinction starts of well but is

[junior latch]

[mint light]

Bruh the grind to alpha king titan 😭

[junior latch]

I usually forbid flyers in my servers for a while to stop instant expansion

[mint light]

I honestly even prefer Gen 1 to Extinction

[junior latch]

Gen 1 has size issues but decent diversity

Gen 2 has diversity issues

[mint light]

Gen*

[normal lake]

only ever have 3-4 players so no reason to restrict play on the servers i run

maps be giant and nobody really gives a shit for ark pvp

[mint light]

Yeah altho I really liked the hidden ocean

[normal lake]

nobody in my group*

[junior latch]

Honestly, just theme wise i enjoy scorched the 2nd most

[mint light]

But yeah biome wise Gen 2 is kinda weak

[mint light]

Absolutely. It smaller but it has a very good theming

[junior latch]

imagine if scorched had a litteral oasis biome which is lush n green in a mountain side on top of its actual threatening desert areas

[mint light]

Gen1 is very strong biome and creaturen wise but yeah the TP is kinda .... blehg

[mint light]

The obelisks kinda have that

[junior latch]

gen 2 but its gen 2 with gen 1 biome added in as extra rooms :^ )

[normal lake]

The island will forever have a special place for me, nothing quite like roaming around a pvp server at 3am where chitin armor was the end of the tech tree

true dino tribal warfare

[junior latch]

Kinda, but i wouldve loved it if more was there

[mint light]

Chitin never was the end of the techtree m8 😅

[mint light]

they could Def have made it bigger

but hey at least they finally added an ascension!!

[junior latch]

scorched is super fun for roleplay servers tbh

but thats so hard to setup

we had one ONCE

[normal lake]

you sure i mean its like 2015 or 2016 im talkin the game was still in infancy

[junior latch]

30 players

[mint light]

ffs that map was unfinished till after Gen 2 release

[junior latch]

3 factions

[mint light]

Yeah back then it was already flak and tek was already in the game through drops and obelisks

[normal lake]

Gotcha, its been a long time so memory is very faded

still quite nostalgic to ride around the island on a raft on the island in particular

[mint light]

It was clear from the very very first trailer that Ark was meant to be sci-fi. not primitive

[junior latch]

tbh ark in a primitive manner is fun as hell aswell

[mint light]

But it has that unique progress tho throughout the story maps

[normal lake]

i prefer the primitive personally

[mint light]

which is hella fun

[mint light]

A lot do. but that ain't the game.

It has a primitive aspect as you are supposed to have that progression. but that's it. an aspect of the game

[normal lake]

tek gear is cool but man something about the vibes of primitive

[mint light]

Absolutely agree. but the first time clearing tek cave and ascending from the island was such a mind blown moment

[junior latch]

Top 3 (not beginner/nostalgia) experiences ive had

• primitive style 3 faction roleplay on scorched
• 2 group pvp (between friends) up to high tier (went from island to extinction back then)
• aberration standard playthrough

[analog flicker]

Rock Elemental moment

[mint light]

Won. ez gg

[normal lake]

most of mine come from back in the day, i remember spending like 8 hours on a fuckin single trike tame

fuckin absurdly low rates on public servers

[glad agate]

Is it easy to get into a game?? I'm thinking of buying GTFO

[mint light]

they doubled em twice 😂

[mint light]

depends: are you willing to play with others? to fail and retry? to spend time learning? then yes

[normal lake]

still good fun tho esp when some asshole comes behind you with a club beats you unconcious, then uses you as a fuckin blood bank until you either starve to death or give up on that server

[mint light]

Otherwise no, stay away

[glad agate]

got me sold im buying rn

[mint light]

Welcome

[normal lake]

Failure in this game is prob the only thing i can garuntee

[mint light]

I needed the blood man

[normal lake]

that and bugs

[normal lake]

all fun and games till the man with the club gets clubbed

[mint light]

And so the cycle continues

[normal lake]

yeah regardless if i wanted to act like a schizophrenic around other players id just play dayz

for now ima stick to private servers

[mint light]

It's the better way

[normal lake]

truly it is

[mint light]

Man I kinda miss my 12 map cluster

[normal lake]

nothing quite like going to bed then logging back on and your entire base is just gone?

[mint light]

But the money ....

[normal lake]

lmfao

[mint light]

Eh at some point you gotta do other stuff you know

[normal lake]

well regardless its 9am ima go do some college shit and maybe study for my exam tommorow

Ill be back to spread misinformation in about a weeks time

[mint light]

🥳

[jagged trail]

holy shit

the great red sun is gone?

[hollow quarry]

Praise be

[jagged trail]

my poster entry is ruined

thanks 10cc

[hollow quarry]

That was the reason we did it. It was too good

[wispy bluff]

No balance?

[hollow quarry]

We usually don't do balance updates at this stage, they are more for big releases

[silk blade]

I need to know will hammer get a balance patch...?

[jagged trail]

at least beep's poster is still valid then

[hollow quarry]

In what way would you balance it?

[earnest forge]

What would you change about it ? A slight nerf to encourage the use of other melee weapons ? I would be very surprised if the current stats did not show it is picked 75% of the time

[hollow quarry]

I know that Henke and Jacob look at stats when they take those kind of decisions

[gray pilot]

WE DID IT

[coarse grail]

No more softlock gravel 🙌

[hollow quarry]

😎

[gray pilot]

Im so thankful 🥲

[burnt garnet]

Reverting those monitor settings asap

[rose nova]

have ur moth days ended?

[silk blade]

I've seen some people suggest giving it spears slow sprint as it's a larger weapon, and others suggest a stagger reduction to give bat more of a niche, but I've also seen suggestions like buffing the other melee to compete, or reworking bat into an axe so we dont have two stagger weapons.

Generally though the main complaint I've seen for hammer is that it's too good at everything, and the few things other melee do better than it are less important than the things hammer does really well which is stagger and damage.

[serene jewel]

oh what happened, update?

[rose nova]

ur the one that suggested the sprint thing

[silk blade]

Was I?

[rose nova]

smol yes bug fixes

[rose nova]

yes

[wispy bluff]

Vets suggest stagger multiplier nerf. I suggest sprint nerf (inspired by spear changes).
Spear needs an extra buff.
The light melees probably do too.

[rose nova]

and i dont think, i saw people agree but well u have ur own opinions

ah

there we go

[serene jewel]

hmm do sentries only aim at center mass?

[rose nova]

i forgot

[rose nova]

no sniper n burst i think aim at the head?

[gray pilot]

Sometimes you just have to be annoying as fuck to make a change

[rose nova]

unsure of shottie sentry

[rose nova]

i didnt said u were annoyin smh wheres the self love

[hollow quarry]

Spear has a slower sprint than the others

[gray pilot]

I said that

[earnest forge]

There are other ways though...

[wispy bluff]

There really are not.

[gray pilot]

Not here

[normal lake]

Wasnt gonna chime in but honestly I +1 the stagger nerf to hammer along side some slight improvements to the other weapons

[silk blade]

Adding onto this it might be better to buff other melee, as if hammer gets a nerf only then I could see melee and stealth becoming harder as a whole and I'm unsure if thats what the devs want. Ideally each weapon would just have something it does best so they all have a reason to get picked.

Something it does best that's meaningful to how people play

[wispy bluff]

The older I get the more I respect the pitchfork.

[rose nova]

pitchfork is out of fashion nowadays its the metal bar

[gray pilot]

I play a lot and if the lights in this game physically hurt me I keep complaining about it.

Sniper melee was the same back then

[normal lake]

a heavy hammer nerf would make stealth pretty brutal

im personally under the opinion the stagger is the most busted part

[rose nova]

i dont think a speed nerf its the way, hammer is just kinda made to be more adapt for combat, the drawback to that is the extra stamina consumption

the stagger nerf i would like

and the nerf nerf is the nerf

[normal lake]

the best hammer nerf is just a buff to the other melees tho

and a stagger nerf

rn there isnt much reason to take other melees like at all

[rose nova]

tbh theres some idk how would u do it, like knife

[last parrot]

knife buff please Calle!!

[rose nova]

how u buff knife

[normal lake]

knife is the only melee i actually take that isnt hammer

it fills the speed niche quite well tbh

[muted cypress]

Make it throwable

[silk blade]

Knife might benefit from additional backstab damage that's one thing I saw someone mention

[rose nova]

_>

melee throwable supportes when they throw the melee at a group of enemies and cant get it back:

[normal lake]

would also mean its not just straight up bad for chargers

[silk blade]

Maybe knife gets better shift dodges...?

[wispy bluff]

Remove charge from knife and just make it's charge attack the default attack.

[silk blade]

There's a lot it could get to play in on how light it is and it's sort of assassin playstyle

[wispy bluff]

Imho that would be pretty cute.

[normal lake]

Personally i think bat should be able to one shot scouts without needing it to be a occi hit

[silk blade]

But...knife...

[normal lake]

such a jank weapon to get scout kills with

[silk blade]

I honestly found it easier to use bat

[normal lake]

thats fair i miss almost every bat scout kill but honestly dont think ive missed more than one or two scout knife kills

i got a clinical skill issue

[silk blade]

Spear- maybe lose the sprint nerf
Hammer- maybe get a sprint nerf/stagger nerf
Bat- as is/enhanced shift dodges as a small weapon
Knife- more back damage/enhanced shift dodges as a small weapon

What are thoughts on these

[normal lake]

hammer getting a sprint nerf is imo one of the worst ways to go about it

[silk blade]

Idk it's a big heavy weapon

[normal lake]

sprint nerf is honestly just not great in general for any weapons

[rose nova]

wtf i got bat scout kills easy, knife ones seem way harder

[silk blade]

It does suck

Maybe not as much of a sprint nerf as current

[normal lake]

slow down the game for seemingly no reason beyond balancing

[silk blade]

But I'm not against a very slightly slower sprint

[silk blade]

Balancing is the reason though lol

[coarse grail]

Giving hammer sprint nerf is just gonna piss off pretty much everyone who enjoys using it

[silk blade]

Stagger nerf would too

[coarse grail]

I wouldn't particularly care about stagger nerf

[balmy moat]

There's no point in dragging out the game longer

[silk blade]

Any nerf to the top pick makes people upset

[normal lake]

yeah this is pretty much exactly what im tryna say

[silk blade]

But I see it point on the slowing down

[rose nova]

i think hammer players with a stagger nerf would, understand why it happened

[wispy bluff]

I was always the advocate of ripping off the bandaid no matter how much it hurts.

[normal lake]

stagger nerf hammer and find a way to make the other melees better without making them busted and honestly i think thats the best way to do it

[silk blade]

So spear loses sprint nerf, hammer gets stagger nerf, knife gets better backstab to encourage weak spot usage, bat is honestly chill after hammer stagger nerf

[coarse grail]

I think its okay for hammer to be the best, but they could do more to lift the other weapons. Knife I think isn't in a bad spot, it has its own niche which is enough. You could make it use even less stamina or something if you wanted. Spear idk why it has this half assed sprint just give it full sprint ffs. I'm not really sure what the deal with the bat is or how that should be improved

[vestal geyser]

i like bat :(

[silk blade]

Bat would be better if hammer was worse

[normal lake]

stealth for most people is the worst part of the game lowering the skill ceiling for no real reason just kinda sucks

[silk blade]

I like the stealth honestly

[wispy bluff]

The way I see it: hammer sprint is the problem. It invalidates everyone else. If light melee had the advantage of being faster sprinters - that would give them a true niche and function, while spear and hammer just fight for DPS

[rose nova]

bat is funk :3

[silk blade]

Spear has the range to kinda make up for being slower anyway

The range is really so insane if you don't use it often

[last parrot]

the sleeping bonus turns out mostly useless

i think it should be taken away in return for more precision or base damage or both

[silk blade]

I'd be cool with knife losing sleep bonus to get at least +2x precision

To make up for it

[normal lake]

i think hammers stagger is fuckin absurd but hammer is not faster than knife, and bat is bad honestly dont got shit to say on it

[vestal geyser]

bat best melee

[silk blade]

Hammer doesn't need to be faster if it does more damage though

[normal lake]

spear with the sprint nerf is quite weird to me since it already has the charge time

[vestal geyser]

1 tap locks

[silk blade]

Isn't spear charge time less than hammer

[wispy bluff]

This, honestly. Sleeping bonus is cringe, not helped by the fact that knife users like to sprint and wake up their victims anyway.
Would've made far more sense on spear, who doesn't sprint to begin with.

[coarse grail]

Where do you think this stagger is most coming into play and giving hammer an advantage?

[silk blade]

Wiki puts spear charge time at .1 less than hammer

[silk blade]

Giants and regular guys

[normal lake]

mostly the fact it can stagger lock 2-3 strikers with well timed hits

[coarse grail]

Giants I always limb break and really if you wind up light tapping little guys it seems like you already messed up

[vestal geyser]

brother who is staggerlocking 3 strikers

[normal lake]

bonk bonk bonk

[silk blade]

Hammer and bat both do stagger but hammer does it better

[coarse grail]

So sure, take away the ability to stagger lots of little strikers

[balmy moat]

At that point you might as well just shove

[coarse grail]

Because thats a situation that indicates you made a mistake already

[balmy moat]

Instead of tapping

[silk blade]

But tapping lets you kill them eventually

[coarse grail]

I'm not sure I get why the stagger value is a problem. yes its a high value and you can do the funny mum kill, but does it really come into play that often in normal gameplay?

[wispy bluff]

I agree with Ellda also - I don't see how stagger changes anything really, unless we make it unable to stunlock a biter even.

[normal lake]

exactly, you made a mistake but its easy to recover from comparative to other melees

[coarse grail]

You're gonna be very high stam after whacking these guys with light taps so much, so its not a wonderful outcome

[normal lake]

maybe a bit harder to recover from than if you had knife but then again occi tapping will pretty much kill anyways

[coarse grail]

But do you really think that nerfing the stagger like that is gonna be the difference maker to bring hammer into line?

[normal lake]

No its why i said also buffing other weapons

[cunning quail]

WHOS NERFING A HAMMER????

WHY WOULD YOU

[rose nova]

cause its overpowered

[vestal geyser]

hammer is good because of modbility and damage

[cunning quail]

nah nah nah

knife is over powered

[vestal geyser]

stagger is whatever

[cunning quail]

bonk with a bat

thats stagger right there

[coarse grail]

Alright then, buffing the other weapons is fine with me, I just don't get why people are always banging the drum about the hammers stagger damage

[cunning quail]

press v with any melee weapon

stagger

[coarse grail]

Acting like its a huge deal

[glad agate]

Booting up for the first time rn

[normal lake]

I dont consider it a huge deal for most situations but its one of the few values that would be a meaningful nerf without completely chopping the weapon

[balmy moat]

Couldn't you argue that shoving with any other melee weapon is the same thing as hammer stagger?

In fact, knife would do so much hell of a better job at 3 strikers than hammer if we reroute back to that one scenario

[normal lake]

Hammer gets a sprint nerf for example ima guess most will go to bat as next best thing

[vestal geyser]

hammer will always be best bc the game was balanced around it for like 2 years lmao

other melees will always be just accesories

[cunning quail]

okay wait nvm I see your guy's point now

[balmy moat]

But I digress, because it's not really the same lol

[rose nova]

thats what we tryin to change lol

:3

[normal lake]

hammer occi tapping does a suprising amount of damage

[vestal geyser]

but like

[cunning quail]

I never see anyone use spear

[normal lake]

meanwhile shoving does nothin

[vestal geyser]

what niches are there really

for melee

[glad agate]

so

[cunning quail]

its only people that are JUST getting into the game

[mint light]

I see too many of em

[glad agate]

how do I hop into my first game

[vestal geyser]

stagger isnt relevant when u fan just kill

[cunning quail]

I've never seen it

[vestal geyser]

and speedkilling smalls is fun but not important

[normal lake]

Knife fast, hammer is everything

[rose nova]

stagger high dmg and speed with no stamina consumption i think

[normal lake]

spear got reach

[coarse grail]

I would just be really annoyed if hammer got a sprint nerf because moving at the half sprint speed is plain unpleasant, knife is fun but just can't deal with giants, bat would be the next best option probably yes but its hitboxes are just very annoying to deal with

[mint light]

#how-to-matchmake and #lfg-beginners

[mint light]

you a lucky dude

[rose nova]

hammer is just everythin yeah... except for the no stamina

[mint light]

I hate em

[balmy moat]

Ye, no point in slowing down gameplay just cause

[vestal geyser]

stamina play doesnt really matter unless you're speedrunning tbh

[cunning quail]

click on one of the funny looking circles and then pick a level that is avalible to you in those funny looking circles

[normal lake]

I think most would agree with this, i wouldnt mind a nerf to hammer damage unless its on the cusp of something major like the amount of damage to break a giant limb

[naive cipher]

hello

[glad agate]

Should I just play with bots at the start or?

[coarse grail]

any damage nerf at all is gonna ruin the hammers major breakpoint of body shotting strikers ofc

[cunning quail]

true and high damage but slow on hordes and really bad on bigs

[wispy bluff]

I imagine the point of view of vets is something like this:

• Spear is just bad and needs more buffs / strong selling points until its even desirable in any situation.
• Knife is alright for job, and only his job.
• Bat's role as a stagger guy is made irrelevant by hammer already being the stagger guy, so if we bring the big stagger guy down - the small stagger guy will get his chance to shine.

[normal lake]

Hoenstly wouldnt mind that

[cunning quail]

start with the tutorial to understand how to play the game

[cunning quail]

then get into the hell of GTFO

[mint light]

do tutorial and then go to the channels I Linked

[cunning quail]

join gtfo vc 2

[mint light]

Just don't go with bots

[normal lake]

would balance it better with spear if its moreso a precision anyways

[wispy bluff]

Do TRAINING first, then you can drop into R1A1 with bots to explore, then once youre done (or dead) you can come here and use #lfg-beginners as according to #how-to-matchmake

[normal lake]

spear having body shots and range would be more justified due to lack of speed if hammer required a more precise playstyle

[coarse grail]

I honestly think you make spear fine by just giving it full sprint. Do you think it would be stronger than hammer with that?
Bat I feel like should be quicker at taking out small guys like the knife but take longer to kill a giant (albeit more safely?)
Agree on knife, and I'm okay with that state

Could give spear its funny multikills back too

[muted cypress]

Honestly, I don’t think it will be stronger than hammer

Longer charge up and smaller hitbox

[normal lake]

yeah pretty much what i was thinking ^

[wispy bluff]

• 2.0 > 2.5 quick tap
• +0.1x prec on full charge
• charge time 1.7 > 1.5

Just do this and it'll be fine.

Hammermen can continue to sprint, I don't care.

[coarse grail]

Whats that Artek, spear stats?

[wispy bluff]

Yes.

3 simple buffs it needs and it's done.

[coarse grail]

Is the quick tap change gonna do anything meaningful?

Does that give you occi one shots?

[wispy bluff]

Yes.

[normal lake]

Honestly this is why there has been basically 0 changes to melee since god knows when

[wispy bluff]

Something that fucking hammer has but spear doesn't.

Which is omega lul.

[normal lake]

melee is to deeply rooted in the gameplay that basically no one can see eye to eye

[coarse grail]

I mean sure, those changes seem pretty innocuous

[mint light]

Just revert back to 4 hammers

[coarse grail]

Honestly I can't really get over the spear not having full sprint though

[vestal geyser]

make old melees drop as apparel

only change needed

[coarse grail]

But if that sates spear enjoyers then thats okay

[normal lake]

its the reason i will never touch spear

the gameplay is to slow for me i aint got that kinda time for stealth

[mint light]

No one has.

[coarse grail]

I mean the problem is meleeing enemies when the room is up really

[mint light]

That's why these guys are handicaps upon their teams

[balmy moat]

Eaxctly why you shouldn't touch sprint speed lol

[coarse grail]

Its gonna be so much harder for you not to take damage with a spear

[balmy moat]

Why tf would you wanna go slower

[normal lake]

its just really nice to have the option to sprint while charging a swing

[wispy bluff]

That's what I always do, in every game.

Never understood this adhd desire to go at 200 m/ph

[normal lake]

no sense in pulling out a gun because 4-5 strikers are up

[mint light]

more levels in the same amount of time, get more done, more fun

[normal lake]

being able to sprint allows that active melee combat

[mint light]

There

Ain't nobody got time for 3 hour R7C1 like .....

[normal lake]

its more enjoyable to move quickly and generally its just more enjoyable to finish levels faster

[mint light]

Just do it in 30 min

[coarse grail]

I am more of a walking stealth enjoyer than a sprint in and wake the whole room kinda guy though

[normal lake]

walk until 2 are woke

then you pull out the sprint card

[wispy bluff]

Same. That's why I'm a spear main.

I just don't touch sprint button unless I actually have to.

[coarse grail]

I mean sprint is useful to get over to an enemy that is gonna alert the room

[normal lake]

or cave man sprint at that scout with its feelers out cus aint nobody got time for it to retract

[coarse grail]

if you got some long alert

[balmy moat]

Bhop enjoyer 😩

[mint light]

We need some rolls again

[normal lake]

meleeing a charger scout, best hope your +1 aint ahead of you cus you aint sprinting to make up the difference in timing

[cunning quail]

I've seen this guy take out 2 scouts by just going cave man style into a room

[coarse grail]

We should all set aside our differences and play some randomiser levels 🙂

And go with whatever melee the dice decides

[mint light]

Nah

I can't

[normal lake]

im to busy watching my school work complete itself

[cunning quail]

that'd be hell if someone has a certain play style

[balmy moat]

Eh not really

[coarse grail]

It can also be hell when you get borked tools for the wrong level

[mint light]

If dice rolls Spear, I legit uninstall

[grizzled bison]

my playstyle is winning

i love winning

[cunning quail]

and guns

[rose nova]

if u dont master every gun in the game thats a skill issue

win r6d1 all sawed offs scatterguns, its been done

[normal lake]

I need some scout only levels to show this bozo why hammer is the only true king of speed

[cunning quail]

facts^

[balmy moat]

Scout playground is your best friend

[normal lake]

ive considered it

[mint light]

k

[normal lake]

uh huh

[mint light]

<@&408548765599793173>

[vestal geyser]

wow free qol mods!!

[glad agate]

@cunning quail ok

[coarse grail]

I feel like scout playground would be a good alternative to subway surfers to hold a gtfo players attention

[normal lake]

seems like a token grab to me

[glad agate]

I did tutorial

doesnt seem too hard

[balmy moat]

Man he is truly a virus strike

[mint light]

You have no clue, young one

[normal lake]

nothing makes me happier then a room with more than 3 scouts in it

[balmy moat]

Posted it in every channel

[wispy bluff]

Only gets worse from there. It won't hit you immediately... But it will.

[rose nova]

lol

[wispy bluff]

The game is borderline sadistic sometimes.

[cunning quail]

If I remember correctly R6C2 has that big room with 5 scouts in it

[glad agate]

oh hi slendi

[coarse grail]

R6C1

[normal lake]

Never let go of that sprint key just bonk bonk

[rose nova]

helloo

[cunning quail]

ah

[coarse grail]

Been running R6C1 recently, its always good fun getting to that room

[glad agate]

didnt know you played GTFO

[normal lake]

your in the home of experts post incorrect info here and someone will correct you in under 10 seconds garunteed

[cunning quail]

in vc2 if you wanna actually talk about it

[cunning quail]

thats fine, I need correcting lmao

[coarse grail]

quickest way to get an answer to your question isn't just to ask, but to ask and then get your friend to post an incorrect answer

[mint light]

R6C1

casuls

[wispy bluff]

He missed by 1 level.

I enjoyed a lot soloing scouts in that one with my spear.

[normal lake]

Good ol cunninghams law

[coarse grail]

lol I didn't know that was a thing but so true cunningham, that guy was onto it

[normal lake]

Meanwhile im just fucking stupid and cant remember shit so holding a conversation in this server is pain

always close but no cigar

[coarse grail]

You seem like a sensible chap to me 🙂

[normal lake]

give it a lil while

[wispy bluff]

I just realized you're two edgy anime profiles talking to each other

[coarse grail]

its only until halloween is over then I'm going back to my E

[normal lake]

I just did mine because i fuckin love the abridged character

It also fits with the catholic theme of my profile so its a fat W

[wispy bluff]

Wasn't judging. Just observing.

[normal lake]

nah im a strong advocate of the "anime pfp detected opinion rejected" meme

[coarse grail]

I'm not being defensive okay. I'm not embarassed about it or anything its only here temporarily

[normal lake]

im just waiting for the next overblown extremist character to appear for it to take over my pfp

[coarse grail]

Damn what is Lou cooking, dudes been typing for like 10 minutes

[normal lake]

meanwhile i accidentally hit 1 key in chat and am embarrassed cus lord knows i aint got shit to say

[muted cypress]

Bruh 😂

[coarse grail]

gonna turn out his cat was lying on the keyboard

[normal lake]

Got banned from a server once cus fell asleep with computer on and this happened and it fuckin spammed messages

i fall asleep with my pc on regularly so im waiting for the day it happens here

[wispy bluff]

Gotta teach your cat that keyboard is a sacred ground

[normal lake]

cat does it to spite me istg

[coarse grail]

<@&408548765599793173> they are back

[gray pilot]

Average gtfo enjoyer

Cant wait to play a pub with you!

[urban timber]

Its a QoL what do you mean

[gray pilot]

He’s gone 😞

[hazy nimbus]

Thank you!

[wispy bluff]

The fact they tried it twice means it works

[gray pilot]

But dw there’s a lot more

[modern coral]

Brazil skip goes hard.

[coarse grail]

Has a team made progress with it?

[modern coral]

Gerz/Bread/Eva/Pachi on stream seemed to be getting to code 3 on a few runs.

Not sure what the code 4 strat is tbh.

But it seems like it might be very possible.

[coarse grail]

I've not watched their best attempts but I'd have thought they would just run out of ammo

For code 4 the stealth section is gonna get pulled again surely

[modern coral]

Wym again?

You avoid pulling it first time through.

[coarse grail]

Ah okay

[modern coral]

But as a consequence, you have no doors except the ones connected to code 4 sec door

As for ammo, it's def rough, but we have crazy weapon options these days.

Like, if you could beat R7E1 w/ MGs, no cheese, no permafoam, then you should have crazy leeway with triple HEL Rifle.

[coarse grail]

Do they collect resources from the charger error spawn zone?

[modern coral]

Not completely sure, but I think so.

Yes, someone is with c-foam

and is looting that room.

Anyway, R5E1 is an easy level, and cell skip is a cheese strat.

Not spending an extra 2 hours on the level is actually a skill issue.

[pine root]

Get fucked

Hope it all works out

[wraith marsh]

bring a 5 medi and pray

[modern coral]

Harder than cell skip easily, right?

[wraith marsh]

you prolly do the same shit as speedrun right?

go early cuz shits spawning anyways

[pine root]

Yeah easily the hardest thing in the game

As 4

[modern coral]

Oh yeah, I guess you do get enemies ahead of you in speed

But this time it's chargers

and full waves

[wraith marsh]

you get to end with 2 pablos

awesome

[modern coral]

and it happens even sooner

Actually, I didn't think of that, speed you leave so early that you don't actually get the back waves by the time you're at door.

But in this, chargers are in the way from the get go.

Also, holy stam

[wraith marsh]

they get to you before the door opens most of the time

its fucked fsr

[pine root]

I believe the play is to c foam a door with a wave cap behind it

That was the idea on the first place

[wraith marsh]

idk how you could plan it so that there are no chargers currently spawned when you cap

[pine root]

I don’t think you can honestly it might be a lag the game angle

Wake up moms max baby and hope it is enough to lay the game so you don’t get hit

[modern coral]

Take scatter and just fight moms, thoughts?

Unironically full clear the stealth zones.

[pine root]

4 back?

massive

[modern coral]

Level where the players stick together

Scatter might actually be really good in general just because of boss eco.

Pmom will be the most expensive part, and scouts might get a little wild, but...

[pine root]

Alerting scouts might make it better

Tbh

Less chargers

[modern coral]

Maybe tbh

[pine root]

Easier to kite

[modern coral]

But HEL Rifles will be holding that small door anyway.

[pine root]

We have to conform to the deadly teir list

[modern coral]

Either way, a clear would be wild...

But 4-man fight all moms would be insanely based.

@pine root How is ammo looking so far, actually?

[pine root]

I haven’t gotten to play

[modern coral]

Do you know, tho?

[pine root]

But apparently it looks good until class 4

[modern coral]

code 4 u mean?

[pine root]

Yeah

[modern coral]

Spooky

[pine root]

I mean you end up skipping a bit but hel rilfe is very efficient

[modern coral]

Route where it's worth to get Pablo 2 ammo?

I kid.

[pine root]

Maybe medi in Pablo tho

[modern coral]

Naw, I feel like it's always going to save you more to do the name of the game as quickly as possible.

[junior latch]

cuz that does anything? People throwing around ideas need to consider what those do impact wise

This btw worsens the matchup vs chargers and giant strikers even more

[median rivet]

Now speedrun it

If I could get below 4 min 17 seconds I would be happy but noo that impossible

[junior latch]

The issue is that it makes mistakes less meaningful lol

Missing a limb on giant -> still soft stagger anyway (also mom kek)
striker tap stagger on body is ridicolus as a failsafe to have

[charred ember]

after some intense training in House of the Dead. Im abit better at aiming in GTFO now

[junior latch]

Ammo honestly isnt the problem

We had ~60/60 average (me low, beth super high) at the end of code 3 (died before input). Issue is getting code while chargers and pablo are a thing

Strat idea rn is to foam reactor waves then shoot while 1 person is running back. Its a fucked idea

[junior latch]

Honestly this might be worth to try

Could even take 1 less cfoam then :^ )

[edgy matrix]

looks like rereleasing r6 didn't bring that many players back lol

[pine root]

Did you see Eva we understand how the r7e1 scout interaction works

[junior latch]

I saw yea

[torn grove]

Any R5E1 enjoyers in chat?

My team got killed by spitter 27-28 times throughout Monday night :3

[regal mauve]

just don't suck

[wraith marsh]

Save meds and foggies for cell scan

[muted cypress]

Bring cell through the mom zone

[gray pilot]

jump over the cell

[wicked solstice]

Eat the cell

More energy for later

[rose nova]

om nom nom

[wicked solstice]

Hackett runs on Duracell

[burnt flume]

yeah, ammo doesn't seem too terrible, I think it is mostly an experience/skill barrier that we're looking at

it's gotta be possible to clear

probably not viable in a regular speedrun but you know

[near basin]

anyone got any info about achievements?

[rose nova]

the ones on steam rn r test achievements

they cant be completed

in general if they plan to add em or not

if they arent by r8 i wouldnt count on em being added

[wraith marsh]

They're all mine

None for u

[rose nova]

:[

[modern coral]

Same as other alts, no?

[edgy matrix]

i think the first few rereleases of the alts brought back a lot of people, but now it seems to have less and less of an impact

my friends dont even want to return to GTFO anymore

i remember seeing the GTFO voice channels having 99+ on the rereleases, now we get like 50-80ish whenever i check

[wraith marsh]

I mean

We're well over a month after r6

This is basically the same

If not better

[modern coral]

Players did fall off a bit faster, but I think that might be artifacts of how data is stored on Steam Charts.

We had a steady stream of alts after winter holidays until summer holidays, and so it displays as a steady 2.5k players.

It seems to be the standard 2.5k spike, which then falls off over time.

There's definitely a lack of interest from my static, but that was already going on come AltR1.

[earnest forge]

The steamcharts (like many monitoring softwares) use smoothing algorithms for older data.
The further away from the present, the more "average" data you get in the chart

[pine root]

Yes but also saying the game doesn’t have the highest retention (<1/4) rate is probably accurate

We are the weird ones most of the time

[wraith marsh]

Buy cool horror game
Beat 3 levels
Die horribly in a "reactor"
Never play again

[pine root]

XD

[pine root]

I saw a 3 hours clear of r1d1 the other day

Asked them how r1c1 treated them

Holy shit were they scarred

[wraith marsh]

They kept with it at least

Respect

[pine root]

Yeah they barely passed r1d1 but

Love to see it

Looking forward to r2d2

When they just quite the game

[sacred briar]

and r2e1 when they hit a skill ceiling

[rose nova]

and r4e1 when they when they when they when

[silk blade]

It's unreal how close my squad came to that

Like we genuinely did r1c1 7+ times

[vernal nebula]

The last sale definitely helped, that’s when I bought it

Plenty of IGN coverage as well, great marketing

[grizzled bison]

They need to get markiplier to play their game again

It'll skyrocket

[compact zenith]

Why isn't gtfo played enough

[grizzled bison]

Its only form of functional matchmaking has been unchanged since the first rundown 4

[compact zenith]

Still setup where you only end up being able to join friends that have hosted a lobby then?

[grizzled bison]

Im not even sure what the matchmaking puts you with

But God forbid you change any of the default matchmaking options

[still sparrow]

Always been a niche game. Not enough people enjoy stealth

[quartz cape]

i've got this crazy game called "red light green light" that I think you might like

[lusty river]

Because GTFO is aimed towards a specific audience. It’s pretty hardcore compared to other known shooter games

[wispy bluff]

What, in matchmaking or in general?

[still sparrow]

It's really just "green light" unless there's a bunch of them practically touching each other

[compact zenith]

Both

[compact zenith]

Is that cause people dont go past R1 and just get hammered in the last 2-3 levels?

[polar ivy]

lonley

im so lonely

[quartz cape]

this will be fixed next update

[polar ivy]

what

[quartz cape]

your lonliness

[lusty river]

Well I can’t say for sure. I think a lot of people quickly realize the game isn’t going to be holding your hand throughout the levels, and when they fail a harder mission, they tend to drop it and never look back.

[still sparrow]

Doesn't help that half the people you find in lfg just carry/speedrun levels either. Kinda ruins the experience for fresh players

[wispy bluff]

The importance of knowing when to chill...

I would love to crash course new players more, but I have no free time as it is and I don't need a second job

Or else this Elden Ring adventure will never fucking end

[lusty river]

Yeah that does happen on here, but you will meet other players who do help teach newer players. I’ve seen both experiences

[sharp owl]

Or carrying people too much

[burnt flume]

calling gtfo a stealth game is kinda crazy

and it's, well, not quite as hardcore as it once was

[lusty river]

Yeah it used to be harder before, and I guess I really haven’t noticed the whole carrying people a lot but good to know

[storm quartz]

The only thing that really makes it not hardcore is checkpoints

[lusty river]

I think the only time I really got angry at new players was when they joined my run doing R5C1 and wouldn’t listen to what I told them 😭

[storm quartz]

Infinite stam made the game far easier in the past

[sharp owl]

Cuz people are getting good or the devs are dropping the ball

[grizzled bison]

Checkpoints or not, the matchmaking was barely excusable during its early access

It's a full release multi-player game

[lusty river]

It’s a little ridiculous to have checkpoints so late into the game tbh

[storm quartz]

yea it just bizarre with have only 2 out of the 7 have checkpoints

Wish they made it so you could group queue in MM, it breaks every time

If some guy leaves in MM and you try to search for a new person it kicks the host that's searching and replaces them with a new one

[lusty river]

The mm options are also too specific lol, Idk if anybody actually changes the default setting

[storm quartz]

Being able to only search for levels in one specific rundown is re-tarded

and not choosing multiple single levels

[thick temple]

I don't think this is a very strong argument, the game is still very difficult for those getting into it

[burnt flume]

they make the game easier because accessibilty or whatever I guess

I'm not arguing that the game isn't hard if you're new, I'm arguing that it has been made easier compared to earlier

anyway, I'm guessing it's probably a bit better for player retention to make the game easier so you know

[grizzled bison]

Just seems to me that they've been riding the same excuses for why they can't retain a player base

[thick temple]

Eh I guess
I just feel like it's less than people act like it is. At least with alts now, and them not having checkpoints

Guns are a bit stronger and tools function better

[burnt flume]

eh, I mean I still don't see a reason for scouts to be disappearing from half the missions in the game, let alone C tiers onwards

[compact zenith]

I dunno, All I did was watch a yt vid and a enemy tutorial and thats it i was fine

[wraith marsh]

modern gaming market has just changed

and gtfo doesnt fit that anymore

dunno if it ever did tbh

[lusty river]

Tbh the first time I played this game, it made me realize I needed to get better at shooting and working as a team lol

GTFO certainly stands out from the rest of the games tho. I appreciate that

[thick temple]

? I don't follow

[grizzled bison]

Gtfo wouldn't work in any market

[burnt flume]

Oh, there's less scouts in most missions compared to before

And yeah the game not only is niche, but it also kinda sucks

[rose nova]

q-q

[thick temple]

That is already quite a bit imo
And if you do just a little bit into number research then it's pretty easy to learn important stuff, but that's already way more than the vast majority of people that are gonna pick up a game are gonna do

[grizzled bison]

People pick up terraria all the time

[compact zenith]

Number research referring to?

[thick temple]

*shooter game

[grizzled bison]

Gtfo isn't that nuanced as you think

[thick temple]

"hammer has 20 max dmg on full charge, strikers have 20 hp, oh I can hit them anywhere and they're dead"

[thick temple]

I think it's more nuanced than you think
Both can be true

[wispy bluff]

Eh... Both statements are true

The game wants to be nuanced

[grizzled bison]

I doubt player retention is related to people choosing not to invest themselves into damage numbers

[wispy bluff]

But in the end its just 4 cavemen

Because it just works

[compact zenith]

If I was to ignore that and just go off by, let's say range and charging speed would the melee choices be any different to players?

[wispy bluff]

Left 4 Dead had this figured out in 2010

[thick temple]

Look at how many newish people use spear, I think yeah

[wispy bluff]

Actually nvm, same thing happened, just with less room for error

[wraith marsh]

a lot of gtfo nuance is tied to skill/execution tho

terraria isnt

ppl dont like things theyre bad at most of the time

[grizzled bison]

I think I was pointing towards time investment

[wraith marsh]

why invest time in improving when I can play smth braindead

[burnt flume]

in terraria the first hardmode boss you kill is duke fishron and then you don't get any new weapons until celestial pillars/moon lord 👍

[torpid rose]

whatre u saying

[grizzled bison]

They're calling people who play terraria braindead

[wispy bluff]

I think the whole "discord is the server browser" fiasco is one of the bigger mood killers

[grizzled bison]

Yeah no shit

[compact zenith]

That being because of the lfg?

[thick temple]

I can see that for sure

[burnt flume]

rick who are you talking to, im questioning reality at this point

[torpid rose]

fishron drops like

4 weapons

[thick temple]

Rock's always in his own world it seems like

[burnt flume]

not caring about summoner kinda based

[grizzled bison]

Gtfo doesn't have a class system

[burnt flume]

but the weapons he drops are easily enough to see you through to killing moonlord

[torpid rose]

not rly

[burnt flume]

the assassin, the boss dps, the support

I mean I haven't played the game properly in a while so there is probably some stuff I haven't used yet

[grizzled bison]

@quartz cape can you inform this man

[burnt flume]

but you can definitely get your fishron weapons and then kill moonlord

[torpid rose]

i mean sure u can do it but all of them are not ideal for final sequence except razor

[wraith marsh]

tsunami works fine

ranger never loses

[burnt flume]

yeah tsunami slaps, bubble gun and flairon also work (although it can be easier if you're firing away from the direction you're moving so the enemy paths into the bubbles)