gtfo-chat

[balmy moat]

Darktide isn't really at the same level of comparability to Skyrim/Satisfactory/GTFO than it is to Rainbow 6 Siege

[lime bison]

as in size of the game or gameplay?

[balmy moat]

Both

[lime bison]

i feel darktide and gtfo has many similarities

[balmy moat]

I meant in a map-player-coop perspective

Not core gameplay features

[lime bison]

oohh, like how the maps are?

and stuff?

[balmy moat]

Yes

[lime bison]

ah, i get you

and yes, i agree with you there

skyrim and satisfactory is open world

gtfo has tile based maps, which makes them easy to understand and easy to make work

darktide is more intricate

so yea, i get you there

[wide moss]

With unique pieces mixed in

[sharp owl]

yes but most of it is reused so it cuts down on size i would imagine

[sharp owl]

Honestly I want to try darktide once the reviews starts going into the positives

Seems like a good time slaughtering heretics

[wide moss]

I bought it on sale

It’s worth

As long as you can run it

I play all low with FSR and on Vulkan and get less than 20 fps average

Also you get to use bolters

And it’s very fun turning them into red mist with it

[sharp owl]

ive seen gameplay with bolter

man.

i really wanna use that

[muted charm]

Which levels have Big Chargers very early on to practice against. I find them very difficult to headshot w/ the sniper despite their heads being larger than giants.

[true pilot]

bbcs dont have headshot multiplier

same with regular chargers

[pine root]

Would explain why you can’t hit the head

[muted charm]

I see, okay thanks for the info

[golden cargo]

just got the game looing for a squad to join who is available

[rose nova]

hello! u can check the LFG channels to share n join lobbies! the instructions are in https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/653623062964731920

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried, make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel
be sure to do the tutorial first [Training] and start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one

[trim sail]

a simple tip to finish a BBC is to focus all your melee charges toward the ass (hammer). It prevents staggering animation which cause whiffing and ensure a kill

[ionic pollen]

The basic gameplay is a lot of fun, but gets old really fast. At least for me it did

Now with the new character skill trees it kinda feels like grinding exp and doing different builds is the main thing of the game

Vermintide 2 feels light years better

But if one likes doing character builds and it's on sale i would say its worth it

[modern coral]

If you don't have it already, a better game for build variety is DRG imo.

I've had a blast with trying different builds in that game.

Also just an extremely good game.

[ionic pollen]

True, DRG is great. Had a lot of fun in that one

The doing builds part in that felt intresting and in blance with the gameplay

And encouraged teamwork

Darktide kinda feels like everyone is mostly solo speedrunning just to get to see what unlocks in skill tree nd rng weapon options they get

[sharp owl]

have it

[serene jewel]

Is the bullpup better than the assault rifle now because of the buffs

[sharp owl]

everything is better than the assault rifle

[serene jewel]

Ah

Wait

It's either ar or rifle

[sharp owl]

what?

the rifle is the semi automatic one with the green dot the assault rifle is the full auto one with the red dot

[serene jewel]

Ye

[rose nova]

ar is still usable, even if kinda weaker to everythin else
rifle is strong, good for range

[sharp owl]

pistol stays winning

[rose nova]

both

[sharp owl]

more ammo more stagger more spammage

BLAPBLAPBLAP

[serene jewel]

I just want to try a full auto weapon that isn't trash or has charge up

[wispy bluff]

I mean most of them aren't "trash"

[rose nova]

most of em arent trash

[serene jewel]

Although I've been liking the arbalist

Just that the charge up makes it feel bad

[rose nova]

pdw smg bullpup heavy smg they r all good

on specials i guess the heavy assault rifle or nothin

[sharp owl]

give pistol a red dot and im taking it 24/7

[rose nova]

no

ok mayb

[wispy bluff]

HEL PP and Assault Rifle are the worst probably, but PP is a weirdo and AR is honestly not bad. It's not broken, not overpowered... It just okay.

[rose nova]

its perfectly average

and usable

[serene jewel]

HAR feels awful, ammo is bad and recoil is heavy

[wispy bluff]

It used to be worse

[rose nova]

i think recoils ok, its mostly a weapon to tap tap

[wispy bluff]

But yes, ammo is a legit issue.

[rose nova]

not to hold

[sharp owl]

SMGS

although their range is smol

[rose nova]

smgsmgsmgsmgs

every auto on main pretty much is nice

[serene jewel]

Small range is eh

[sharp owl]

R8 when

[rose nova]

then maybs u like assault rifle

[serene jewel]

I want an allrounder weapon that isn't the carbine lol

[wispy bluff]

Small range is where most of the combat takes place

Long range rooms are a luxury

[rose nova]

smg, heavy smg

[serene jewel]

Fair enough

[rose nova]

carbine has like, 4 meters more of range than the hsmg

which is not, that much

[sharp owl]

it is

[rose nova]

i mean i guess

[sharp owl]

6 vs 10 meters is a big amount

its not 20 vs 24

[rose nova]

still autos r nice

[sharp owl]

carbine is basically an auto tbh

[wispy bluff]

Not, by definition.

[sharp owl]

no delay between burst

[wispy bluff]

Doesn't matter.

[sharp owl]

burst are long enough to let go and hold the mouse button

[rose nova]

not an auto

[sharp owl]

i mean that in practice the burst fire mode does not limit your ability to dump lead

[wispy bluff]

I don't see what relevance that has.

[sharp owl]

in my mind the point of automatic guns is that you don't need to fumble around and spam your mouse to deal all your damage

[wispy bluff]

Not sure that's how it works...

[balmy moat]

It's not about the mouse... it's about how they operate in real life

It's the fire mode and the trigger pull that determines what type it is

[wispy bluff]

IRL full auto weapons were created so that your average grunt could provide suppressive fire if needed. Also helps at close range.

In gaming it's purely an aesthetic.

People don't really do suppressive fire in gaming anyway... Because no one cares.

[still sparrow]

That's why he said "basically"

[wispy bluff]

Anyway, point being:
AR is inferior but not bad. It will get the job done.
Perhaps the only truly bad main weapon right now is HEL Auto Pistol, so we're waiting for devs to do something about that thing.

If you want - you can try Bullpup. Great at range, headshots hurt extra, basically an upgrade to AR... Except for notably longer reload speed.

[balmy moat]

Continuous holding of a mouse button and consistantly clicking are 2 different things

So it's not "basic"

You quite physically are bursting

Regardless if it may seem like it is auto

[sharp owl]

alright well

[mint light]

Ah another Artek take

[wispy bluff]

What did I say wrong this time

[mint light]

@little ridge roll the dice please!!

[still sparrow]

Why are discord autists like this. So quick to look past the point being made so they can be correct

[sharp owl]

nothing really

[still sparrow]

o7

[sharp owl]

youre not wrong

[wispy bluff]

I got his point. He needs better words that do not contradict it.

[balmy moat]

And the point being incorrect?

[mint light]

Mb it was an Elbow take

[balmy moat]

You sure you're not overlooking that?

[sharp owl]

aw

[mint light]

But lets still roll the dice for the lolz

[sharp owl]

didnt expect it to be such a blisteringly hot take

[burnt flume]

is this another cause of people arguing semantics and somehow finding a way to call people autistic over it

[sharp owl]

think so

[mint light]

#408196129470152706 discord

[wispy bluff]

For what it's worth I'm being witch hunted for saying carbine is basically pistol. Because you mash LMB there and you mash LMB there, what's the difference anyway, amiright?

[sharp owl]

no

[mint light]

did you expect constructive discussions here?

[sharp owl]

see thing is

[burnt flume]

basically the same in terms of how you fire them? maybe but not really, with pistol you have to try a lot harder to hit heads for the efficiency

[sharp owl]

on pistol you need a much higher apm to get all your damage out, you can actually get limited by it and aiming is actually harder when you're spamming your mouse

but on burst its one click every 0.2 seconds which is super managable

it doesn't affect me at all

so in that sense, it's basically an automatic

the downside of needing multiple button presses is barely there

[burnt flume]

spamming LMB I can understand with both guns, but pistol is kinda difficult to do that with while maintaining breakpoints

[wispy bluff]

Yeah yeah, but assuming im panicking and just want to delete that bastard before he eats my last 2% HP

Thanks to tight hipfire I will do it somewhat reliably. Carbine - of course - will do it even better.

DMR, on the other hand... Although I don't know if the large ass circle is a psy op. Could be.

[sharp owl]

jesse what the fuck are you talking about

[wispy bluff]

Don't worry about it.

[sharp owl]

aight scheaffer

[still sparrow]

speedrunner
pronouns in profile
Explains your entire thought process here

[sharp owl]

don't go there

[balmy moat]

What does that have to do with anything lol

You're really grasping for straws here

[sharp owl]

switching to insults just shows you got lost the argument

[burnt flume]

do people really get offended when other cis people put their pronouns in bio

[still sparrow]

It has to do with the 'tism part a hell of a lot.

[balmy moat]

The only reason why I put pronouns in the Discord bio is because Discord quite literally said to put pronouns in it

[wispy bluff]

Which one

[balmy moat]

So I did

[sharp owl]

yeah it causes me physical pain

[balmy moat]

Speedrunning is a hobby

[wispy bluff]

It's literally a matter of correct definitions.

[balmy moat]

So your point being?

[sharp owl]

it's not a command you can just leave it empty

also

i speedran too

so fuk you

[burnt flume]

and is it really worth arguing with some random american twat with a pepe pfp who has their name set as daddy on their steam profile

[balmy moat]

I meant as in shifting through profile options

[wispy bluff]

Full auto means "I hold the trigger and it keeps firing".
Does carbine does that? No? Not a full auto, even IF you can make it look like one.

Like come, it's not that deep.

[sharp owl]

yeah correct definitions are a thing

but you take them and apply them to the game

[mint light]

there are other ways to use that feature

[sharp owl]

i think that's how we got lost

[mint light]

Or just not at all

[balmy moat]

Eh yea, I see people put other things in it but I like to use things how they are used

[mint light]

fair

[sharp owl]

same that's why i use my ar15 to kill people

instead of target practice on targets

[burnt flume]

I thought you were supposed to use it so the government couldn't get you??

[mint light]

burger moment

[sharp owl]

get burger'd nerd

[sharp owl]

same thing

[mint light]

Noooooo 😭 I'll never recover

[wispy bluff]

Stop making it worse, I just want to argue about GTFO guns

[sharp owl]

no

[burnt flume]

surely 1 gun will protect me from the entire US govt Clueless

[sharp owl]

i am in silly goober mood

[wispy bluff]

I'm subscribed to enough YouTube channels for this

[mint light]

Poor you

[burnt flume]

for the pronouns feature yeah most people treat it as another field to put some random shit in

[sharp owl]

i am going insane because my pc isn't working correctly

[fluid narwhal]

quick question why are bots so useless sometimes?

[sharp owl]

maybe use pronouns as they are supposed to be used and not out of whim? its linguistics

and so i am venting my insanity by just staying here

[sharp owl]

they're trying

[fluid narwhal]

I legit hammered a bigboy's leg, out of the 3 bots, only 1 started shooting, afterwards, 2 bots and myself got melee bodied

[mint light]

I will miss you my banned m8

[wispy bluff]

😫

[fluid narwhal]

the same 2 didnt attack or anything

[sharp owl]

shit goin down hill, might as well go inside the tire

[burnt flume]

What, using them to refer to people? yeah that's the point

[wispy bluff]

Can't really tell you. Their AI is not polished enough I guess.

[sharp owl]

yeah not
please refer to me as they/them 🤡

[sharp owl]

90% of the time yes

[burnt flume]

what does it matter to you if someone is using singular they/them as gender neutral pronouns

[mint light]

weeeeee

[burnt flume]

I can almost guarantee that in some situations you would still use singular they/them and not realise

[sharp owl]

WHERE

WHERE ARE THE GTFO EMOJIS

[mint light]

You know this can't be discussed here

[sharp owl]

oh wait they're there

[burnt flume]

like it's a recurrent theme that people who bash the using singular they/them will have accidentally used it without realising

[sharp owl]

.

wait

[burnt flume]

often in the same sentence/paragraph they're using to bash singular they/them

[sharp owl]

you can

oh no

[sharp owl]

because everyone is born in a binary

🤡

[mint light]

And there comes the ban 😔

[burnt flume]

yeah, either born in a hospital or not

that's your binary

[mint light]

he took one for the team

[sharp owl]

lol

about those automatic weapons huh

bout those fire modes

hits blunt

[burnt flume]

full auto burst cannon when

[sharp owl]

lemme tell u sum

[wispy bluff]

I know, right...

[balmy moat]

Jesus fuck

[sharp owl]

yes please

[balmy moat]

Can you imagine what you could fucking do

[burnt flume]

I mean tbh it'd just be a harder hitting/less ammo r7 HAR

[wispy bluff]

Honestly: why the fuck not

[sharp owl]

it would chug ammo so insanely hard

you'd waste so much ammo

[wispy bluff]

Its already ass to use, at least polish that aspect of it.

[sharp owl]

not even funny

[wispy bluff]

It just keeps charging over and over if you hold the button. A niche function, but I could get behind it.

[stray raft]

if it was full auto then burst cancelling would be back in business

[sharp owl]

each bullet would take 1 second to fire

it would be good if you could just fire 1 bullet for each sleeper but that'd be slow

[stray raft]

unless you mean you complete the charge and then it fires 20 bullets continuosly

[wispy bluff]

No no, simpler than that.

I simply don't have to press button again to initiate the next burst.

[sharp owl]

i think what you're suggesting would be a bit too good artek

[balmy moat]

Would it be like HAR or would it be like Veruta

[wispy bluff]

It just starts charging from zero again.

[sharp owl]

veruta++

[burnt flume]

veruta would just be like og r4 BC

HAR would be funny as fuck

[stray raft]

even if it takes 1 second, it's completely fine

[sharp owl]

it would make it better but also really hard to get right

[stray raft]

if there are more, you can fire more than 1 bullet and burst drag

[sharp owl]

it fires so fast

[stray raft]

just like the good ol days of r4

[wispy bluff]

At that point you just reinvented the lesser caliber pistol

[sharp owl]

cartidge-ally challenged pistol

honestly pistol's my goto

so fun

[balmy moat]

Now I wanna see a veruta BC

[sharp owl]

give the burst cannon the veruta's ammo supply

the have the same mag

same reload

[balmy moat]

Bruh

[sharp owl]

same bullet size

[balmy moat]

That's just completely busted

[sharp owl]

no reason not to really

how can it be busted

[balmy moat]

Gotta make it somewhat reasonable

You're literally gonna give a player, what, 120 bullets of a burst of 22 damage?

[sharp owl]

yeah

[wispy bluff]

I think he's memeing, but not surr

Wtf is "same bullet size"

[sharp owl]

ive realized that my irony has gotten so severe over time that people don't understand when i'm being stupid on purpose

[wispy bluff]

More so we can't see it through the text, but it is an established pattern. Except for when you are dead serious.

[sharp owl]

i still occasionally think about how one of the devs replied to me about the knife hitbox and said it was intentional

does the scout count as sleeping when it's moving around?

[wispy bluff]

I don't quite remember that conversation going that way.

He basically said knife was not meant to oneshot scouts, but it does... From behind only. Which is fair enough. Removing the ability completely would be mean.

[wide moss]

They said it wasn’t intentional initially but they decided to keep it

At least that’s what I remember

[sharp owl]

maybe i misinterpteted it

[wispy bluff]

Yeah, what Stella said.

I still think they should give dagger an increased flanking modifier.

Reinvent TF2 spy. Without oneshots, of course.

[sharp owl]

that scout is a spy!
wooo-

[silk blade]

whats the hitbox

[wide moss]

It’s on the side

[silk blade]

what?

[wide moss]

It attacks from the right of you screen

And only goes to the middle towards the end of the attack

[silk blade]

so what can i do with this

[sharp owl]

https://discordapp.com/channels/408196129470152705/585063132553281556/1163216830912004146

you can do this

[wide moss]

Or this #gtfo-media message

[silk blade]

how big is this side hitbox

[sharp owl]

iunno

[silk blade]

could i use it to double kill by hitting something to my right and then the front

[sharp owl]

big enough to be silly

[wide moss]

Probably if multi hit is a thing

[silk blade]

is it?

[wide moss]

idk

[sharp owl]

not rly

[wide moss]

:c

Gtfo montage ruined

[modern coral]

HAR is based, and low skill floor, tho.

Just takes skill to play particularly well, while both MGs are kind of free.

[sharp owl]

it is low skill floor tho

just hipfire the veruta

or use the other one

the mgs have a lower skill floor

[modern coral]

I'd argue their floors are a bit higher since you need to manage weapon-specific mechanics.

As opposed to HAR which is straightforward.

[modern coral]

The MG "playstyle" is also its own thing to be aware of.

When to burst vs. when to spray.

[wispy bluff]

Low skill is not an excuse for crappy ammo, it feels so bad

[sharp owl]

i dont think we said it was good

[modern coral]

16 kills per refill is pretty reasonable.

[sharp owl]

how much do the mgs get

[wispy bluff]

How much veruta and arbalist get

[sharp owl]

cringe absolute values fan vs based context enjoyer

[modern coral]

19.57 and 16.95, respectively.

[sharp owl]

hm

why does it feel like it has so little ammo

[wispy bluff]

Because cringe numbers

[sharp owl]

20 kills is more than 16

but it's not that massive

[wispy bluff]

30 / 119 doesn't feel right

[modern coral]

And nobody is hitting those completely consistently, plus a big benefit of the MGs is that you want to waste ammo for TTK and ease of use at times.

[wispy bluff]

Make it 30 / 130 at least and we can have a talk

[modern coral]

Tbf, HAR is 15.63 and has a high RoF

[sharp owl]

15.63?

[wispy bluff]

I'd still advocate for giving it more ammo.

Just another dozen bullets would improve it a lot for me.

[sharp owl]

if har has more damage than the MG then what does the mg do

wont it become better

[wispy bluff]

Mgs are panic spray and pray / suppressive fire.

HAR requires precision (ironically), and as a bonus it actually reloads quite fast for a special.

Still not good enough to run out of ammo immediately.

[modern coral]

I think this just speaks to the issue that if you have ammo problems, it is often because of your general combat gameplay, not your weapon choices.

[sharp owl]

"Nice argument senator. However you failed to consider one small detail"
pulls out uno reverse
YOU HAVE A SKILL ISSUE
menacing

[wispy bluff]

Could be it, but HAR just feels wrong. I don't have this issue with arbalist for example - I seem to use it as per manual and it runs out of ammo at appropriate timing. With HAR its one wave too soon.

What was it...

[muted cypress]

Small magazine makes it a poor choice vs chargers and bigs

[wispy bluff]

HAR is 5.0 dmg per 149 bullets total vs arbalist 5.5 x 160 bullets, something like that?

[sharp owl]

it wastes no damage against them tho

yes

5.35 169 (nice)

[wispy bluff]

Even better

20 extra bullets that hit about 5% harder

[silk blade]

Burst cannon is the most efficient gun in the game

20 damage per bullet with 65 total bullets

[wispy bluff]

Oh gee, why this gun doesn't feel like shit?!

[sharp owl]

veruta is so based

60 rounds in a mag and it staggers with 1 hit

1.45x stagger multi

i honestly just hipfire it

[burnt flume]

22 damage, not 20

[silk blade]

Even better

Only issue is landing all 5 bullets every time

[sharp owl]

the player who can land all 5 bullets every time against smalls will ascend into godhood

[silk blade]

Headshots too

Every headshot is a kill even on shooters

[sharp owl]

the problem with the MGs is that you need to magdump to kill a giant

which i find slightly annoying

[muted cypress]

Yeah lets buff the MGs

[sharp owl]

i agree they need to be even better than they already are

lets make everything else obsolete

[wispy bluff]

Anyway : literally just throw HAR like 10-15 extra bullets total (with whatever refill gain that proposes) and it'll be basically golden.

[sharp owl]

give it a better sight

it has one of the worst ones imo

[silk blade]

the real thing that needs a buff is the uh

its the uhm

err

[sharp owl]

the uuuh

[muted cypress]

Pump shotgun

[silk blade]

the regular shotgun

[muted cypress]

Dont think the gun has been touched since OG r3

[silk blade]

literally the regular shotgun

idk what its good for

combat shotgun and choke and high cal

[sharp owl]

clutching

[silk blade]

all kinda just more useful

[sharp owl]

8 kills in a mag and very speedy reload cancel

[silk blade]

ig thats useful

[muted cypress]

It used to have 9 bullets

[silk blade]

but i rather use uh

not that

[sharp owl]

i think the gun's fine to be honest

maybe it could use more damage

per refill

it gets 8 kills which is

not alot

[silk blade]

my issue with it is idk when i'd ever take it

i feel like the other shotguns and high cal are just very equivalent

but better in certain ways

[sharp owl]

they are

[modern coral]

Rn, Shotgun and Choke are both very reliant on having unique properties.

[sharp owl]

but the shotgun has more kills per mag vs high cal and a much better reload than both high cal and combat

[modern coral]

Choke has range + precision, and pump has precision and niche pellet unity such as multi-hit (which is good for baby clear)

[silk blade]

high cal gets 10 bullets per refill though

and it shoots one bullet so you can hit at longer ranges

[modern coral]

Pump is the closer of the two to being actually good, as well.

[silk blade]

sure mag has a smaller size but like

its still so reliable

[sharp owl]

i agree

[silk blade]

the one benefit ig of shotgun

is 1x precision

[sharp owl]

i think the pump is a clutch gun

[silk blade]

so it does a full 30 on weakspots if u land every pellet somehow

so technically? if you hit a big guy in the back with it you could do some good output

[sharp owl]

could be good on moms n stuff

[silk blade]

idk i'd still take high cal or combat shotgun over it

buckland 870 should get like

more ammo ig

at least the same as high cal

[modern coral]

PRecision isn't a factor here.

Head breaks in only a few pellets, so you actually just lose damage if you're not aiming it very particularly.

[sharp owl]

i do think it needs more damage because its a shotgun

[modern coral]

I've seen Hinoki aim slightly under head and it works p well I think.

[sharp owl]

that's kind of its thing

[modern coral]

I think it's fine if it just had a bit more ammo.

9 per refill, maybe 9 per mag.

[muted cypress]

Pump is great when you need to make way for your team to push forward

[modern coral]

But 8 mag is still solid.

[silk blade]

not a higher max ammo?

[modern coral]

Max ammo doesn't matter at all, and is indirectly tied to the per refill/bullet cost.

More accurately, both per refill and max ammo are associated with bullet cost

The biggest outliers are weapons with particularly large or small mags.

Like, BC has an excessively low reserve capacity.

Revo has an absurd reserve capacity.

~71% refill cutoff vs. ~63% refill cutoff.

[silk blade]

true

that makes sense

the real topic to discuss

carbine nerf when?

[modern coral]

No, Combat Shotgun buff when?

[sharp owl]

why does combat shotgun need a buff

[silk blade]

combat shotgun is fine

[sharp owl]

also don't you think we might be doing some funny power creep buisiness

[modern coral]

It's an old shitpost about weapons that are already good getting buffs.

[silk blade]

oh

carbine must be there

[modern coral]

It used to be Carbine, because it got made good in R7.

[silk blade]

only buffs since release

[modern coral]

Then it got mega buffed in R1

For no reason

[silk blade]

carbine exists to add easy mode as a difficulty option

[sharp owl]

yeah the carbine is really good at everything

[modern coral]

CS is in the same spot, but also hasn't been nerfed.

[sharp owl]

idk if the cs is easy mode

its range is very small

[modern coral]

It kind of is but isn't.

[sharp owl]

even if it does have a fantastic 12 kills per mag

[modern coral]

I want to say it has a low skill floor, since 11 kills per refill two-shotting everything is still solid.

But I have also seen people 4-shot strikers with it, so like...

[sharp owl]

due to skill or pellet spread

[modern coral]

It's probably the second strongest special in the game rn, though.

[sharp owl]

with the best being BC i assume

[silk blade]

carbine combat shotgun is the easy mode ig

[modern coral]

Skill, not understanding the weapon, refusing to weapon swap, not understanding how combat works...

[silk blade]

burst cannon is strongest right? assuming you land all 5 bullets

[modern coral]

BC is the most cracked, yes.

[sharp owl]

you keep making me wanna use bc and then i do and then i realize oh wait i can't actually utilize this

i get 1 kill per burst against smalls

[unreal crystal]

Gotta get better with it

[silk blade]

apparently if you crouch down as you shoot

it reduces the spread?

[sharp owl]

no its just a small trick

when you crouch your player camera gets lower in height

because you crouch right

so your head is lower

[silk blade]

so it makes the vert spread less impactful...?

[sharp owl]

so you use this lowering of the camera to combat some of the kick up the weapon

its nothing special

i never do it

[silk blade]

does it work well

[sharp owl]

probably

[craggy crater]

Hello guys,i a have a question: why the developers removed old evacuation with entering in capsules(pre-alpha evacuation)?

[silk blade]

idk

[wispy bluff]

Probably for streamlining. Cutscenes are cool and all, but they get repetitive quickly. Although I would love to see a video for refference.

[pine root]

Well I think they removed it cause it kinda made the ending lame compared to now

[unreal crystal]

its pretty good

u can honestly pull down quite hard on first bullet too and it seems pretty controllable

[timber tinsel]

BETH~!!

[unreal crystal]

recoil is annoying but u can control the gun fairly easily

whats up

[pine root]

Nothing much how about you

[analog flicker]

[pearl elk]

Need one more for R1B1 please!

[rose nova]

hello, u can check the LFG channels to share n join lobbies! the instructions are in https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/653623062964731920

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried, make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel

[wispy bluff]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[wispy bluff]

But i can join i guess, no mic though.

[pearl elk]

@wispy bluff Thanks!

[wispy bluff]

Just send me the code

[wispy bluff]

See this is the kind of thing that LFG lowkey prevents. Just 4 guys, in perfect silence, using only quick voice commands... Sure, such playstyle introduces certain... limitations, but at the same time its so liberating.

And i got a 95% infection booster out of it, nice.

Some green level out there has it coming.

[rose nova]

why not just specify in ur lfg message that u dont want mics

or somethin

[wispy bluff]

Aside from the fact i that i don't want to go through labour of creating an LFG message?
First of all: that's just gonna make the "matchmaking" about x2 slower, because how many people out there actually want that.
Second of all: some hilarious big brain will specifically join just to mic as much as he can. Of course.

By now my best course of action would be to rename myself into [NO MIC] and just scatter around, but i don't play the game that much to commit to the bit.

[sharp owl]

Where is mike

[mint light]

Mike died reading this joke

[little ridge]

Is it?

Dont get me wrong, sometimes I'm not in the mood, and I dont talk at all

But I'll be sincere that joining a game were noone talks and we all just act like very advanced bots is a bit bizzarre

Some people speak way too much, that's true

[wraith marsh]

hey thats me

[little ridge]

I got muted once for singing Bohemian Rhapsody

(I was being annoying)

[lusty river]

[burnt flume]

good song

did you sing it well though

kinda hard to sing some parts of it all by yourself on a single track

[coarse grail]

its interesting hearing this take as someone that would generally rather have a conversation than not and assumed most people would be the same

[pine root]

Don’t worry it is just advanced coms

[wraith marsh]

yeah

my complaints are just me comming every time I take damage!

gotta keep you updated

[coarse grail]

It does boggle my mind sometimes when people only say that they are low on ammo when they are down to like 10-15%. Having those kinds of updates are useful

[modern coral]

If I'm below 80/66, you better bet I'm pressing tab and getting somebody to pass me ammo.

[mystic moss]

what if you're too socially anxious to ask for ammo...

[pine root]

I am an Econ player

I don’t ask for ammo until I am 0,0

[trim heath]

I usually ask for it around 40/30

since bad times usually come two at a time and that's a little on the hairy side for getting through it

[wispy bluff]

Difference between introverts and extraverts I suppose. Although I don't know how much that applies to you.

[trim heath]

imo intro/extrovert is less the point as the way people like/want communication

i.e. I hate when people use their username instead of colors since frankly I can't read and it takes me an extra like 5 seconds per instance to figure out who is who

[burnt flume]

the one thing about people giving ammopacks

is it's really annoying when people ask you to reload your guns when you're not even close to losing ammo due to capping

like if I'm at 40/10 I don't need to reload while you give me 2 uses of ammo, come on now

[wraith marsh]

symptom of ppl being given advice and not knowing how it works/why

[wispy bluff]

I suddenly wonder why is it that L4D characters had radically unique and easily recognisable visual designs... Surely it was just an aesthetic choice, but also it really helped to know who is who.

I hate using the colours, I'm too stupid for names, half the players don't even know who Woods is...

Deep sigh

[trim heath]

• certain accents I just genuinely struggle with

[thick temple]

i'm definitely guilty of this, just paranoia and brain going on autopilot at times for me
but still stupid, you right

[rose nova]

i just reload every 7 seconds to be safe

7 enemies on me? lemme kill one, reload smg, anothe,r reload, another, relo-

[wispy bluff]

I reload for 7 seconds period, because I brought Bullpup and PR again

[burnt flume]

if you take 7 seconds to kill one enemy then I am very concerned

[trim heath]

kek

[thick temple]

fucking same jfc

[rose nova]

oh two giants, ill reload every shot of hel rifle ill take

[rose nova]

its called skill issue

[trim heath]

I reload every 3-4 shots of hel rifle

I try really hard to not let the magazine actually empty, since having that one shot for a panic moment is nice

[rose nova]

its the cry of fear reload where i have bullets but i go
'could i kill another one with this?'

and then i just do it anyway

[coarse grail]

I would describe myself as an introvert generally too, but not to an extreme extent.

[silk blade]

Real ones don't ask for ammo and let a bot on the team to do it for them

Bots manage ammo perfectly because they always know what you have

[coarse grail]

I always just wanna be freeing up hands ASAP. So if there is a small use ammo that can be eaten I want it gone

[rose nova]

they, waste the extra % on special weapons cause they use it when they are below 80%

[coarse grail]

So same as ray in terms of eating ammo

[wispy bluff]

This honestly was an unexpected pleasant part of botsoloing R1C1.

Bots just kept feeding me. Good boys!

[silk blade]

Bots are solid

I know people complain about team damage but

Bot with burst cannon is a death machine

[trim heath]

they're ok they're just stupid

and they can't really do things that arent near you

[silk blade]

Idk they can literally heat seek to objectives as long as you're in the room

[wispy bluff]

Except for the part where 2 bots would go to refill me simulntaously and overfeed me

[silk blade]

They can also burst cancel any burst weapon

[trim heath]

I treat them like turrets on legs

[sharp owl]

my condolences 🌹 🪦

[lime bison]

turrets on legs that can bring more turrets

[trim heath]

precisely

the sentries go where your friends should be and the moving sentries follow you around

and bishop biotracks literally everything because lmao

[rough hatch]

is the in-game matchmaking still useless?

[rose nova]

yep

[rough hatch]

rip

[rose nova]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[lone seal]

r2e1 is painful

[rose nova]

yep

[lone seal]

Me and the squad been trying

But me and the squad been dying

[sharp siren]

Try shooting

A lot

Helps

🐒

[charred ember]

holyshit, i shoot things and it die

[sharp siren]

Amazing isnt it

[rose nova]

bullets am i right

[charred ember]

its very fun

[vernal nebula]

I’ve yet to get more than one clear on this level lol, so much can go wrong in every area

[hushed flint]

guys i think we need to get the fuck out

[sharp owl]

[mint light]

I'll ask my boss

she said no

[little ridge]

I really wonder if I'm the only one that whenever finds an ammopack presses tab and quickly check everyone's ammo to see who's the lowest

[coarse grail]

you aren't 😛

[little ridge]

I just ask explicitly for ammo if I'm really, really low, like 10-20%

[void olive]

youre not

[little ridge]

"Why didnt you say anything?" Dude just press tab when you find an ammopack

[coarse grail]

But I also don't always check on who needs ammo during long error segments or reactors

I like to when possible but sometimes its too hectic and someone doesn't raise a need til its really late

[little ridge]

some error segments alright but reactor you usually get at least a moment

[void olive]

i still do it on errors because im a lil stupid sometimes

and forget the error means im in constant danger

[sharp owl]

you are

depends on what part of the game we're on

if we just spawned in and i find one i'm using it instantly

anything after an alarm i check

as long as you're not burning the ammo and you're not being a silly prisoner who wastes shots it's totally fine to top yourself off first

[coarse grail]

Unless people are really low on ammo

[sharp owl]

there are times where it's a bad idea

but they are rare

(i am an easily influenced contrarian, they do not know i actually check before giving ammo)

[crimson oriole]

wait you're not supposed to overcap yourself before giving anyone else ammo?

[charred ember]

i calll dib on that sweet ammo

[sharp owl]

hybrids should not have more HP than giants

if you disagree you are wrong and bad

they are less meaty than giants

and they have the gatling gun attack

[coarse grail]

if they try to gatling gun you just shake your head to say no

[mint light]

hahaha hybrid go brrrrrrrrr

[coarse grail]

and you will take no damage

[sharp owl]

hybrids cannot legally attack you without your consent

[mint light]

Just strafe to the side and see every of their shot miss

[serene jewel]

yo where's the big document of all the weapon stats

[coarse grail]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Br_2A3n3YDO1v0Kld27KCLvwRYKJqjliyhntoT2NTp4/edit#gid=357939554

[serene jewel]

is that pinned anywhere

[balmy moat]

No, but they should

Prob would be preferrable to pin in #wiki-chat

[serene jewel]

I still can't find my preferred weapon 😩

[sharp owl]

Carbine

Bottom text

For main weapons don't stress it, pick whatever you like most

They all serve the same role of a versatile gun to kill smalls reliably

[wispy bluff]

Somewhat disagree. Ranged sleepers appear to be thicker and more condensed to me, while strikers are all weebly wobbly and almost feels hollow and weightless with how much they get thrown around when staggered.

[sharp owl]

Female sleepes
thicker, more condensed

[balmy moat]

Shooters have more health than strikers right?

[wispy bluff]

Direct your complaints to namv mutations department.

[sharp owl]

Yes and it's stupid

Namv is dum dum

[balmy moat]

Maybe it's the game's way of telling us that women live longer than men LOL

[sharp owl]

Good one

[wispy bluff]

To be fair it makes sense if you accept namv's perspective.

[sharp owl]

But seriously what possible reason could thr hive have for not making your frontline assault troops tougher than your backline ones, away from trouble

[wispy bluff]

Hammerstein observed that they are effectively tactical command units, so it makes sense to invest into their longevity.

[sharp owl]

Tactical what

Shooters spit at you

They don't think

They don't plan

[balmy moat]

That's one way to put it lol

Honestly spitting actually kinda good

Cause strikers are licking

[sharp owl]

The game's trying to tell us something

What dat mauf do

[wispy bluff]

To be fair ability to spit lethal projectile over large ranged is pretty impressive for a purely biological entity. Especially of this size.

[balmy moat]

But what about chargers and BBCs

Charging?

That doesn't really fit

[sharp owl]

Indeed, however this doesn't mean they can think

[wispy bluff]

Humans had to evolve to throw rocks, since spitting chunks of your body is just not visible at this scale.

[sharp owl]

Throwing shit is so overpowered

Honestly

[real wasp]

LMAO THE KEY THAT I GOT IN R5B1 IS CALLED "SLUR"

[wispy bluff]

Kekium

[sharp owl]

Love my human physiology

[sharp owl]

what lmao

[real wasp]

lmaoooo

[wispy bluff]

Four letter word is a four letter word I suppose

[sharp owl]

Does it include profanities i wonder

Probably not

But that's funny

[wispy bluff]

I swear I've seen "dick" before

[real wasp]

"i got dick"

favourite woods voiceline

[sharp owl]

What

He's got dick

[balmy moat]

Big guy here

[sharp owl]

What voiceline is that for

[mint light]

DM him

[sharp owl]

I'm good for now
Perhaps you could use it

[mint light]

Sorry m8, still don't swing that way

[sharp owl]

You never know these days

Might lose ur mind and think gender is a spectrum

[real wasp]

woods out of ammo

[mint light]

No one actually thinks that tho right???? right??

[little ridge]

"ROPE VIBE" is also a fun combination

together with PARK MEAT

[mint light]

Lose Dead

game is trying to tell us something

[little ridge]

I like to think about it like the Warden sending messages

[coarse grail]

Want Weed

Had that yesterday

[mint light]

filthy junk

[little ridge]

Like the CAPTCHA and lord inglip meme

[mint light]

too old to understand memes

sry m8

[mint light]

I'll ask my daughter, wait

she said: "yegh" or something like that. Can't get a normal word out 🤦

[little ridge]

"for real for real no cap deadass monkas"

[balmy moat]

On god

[mint light]

42069 blaze it XxpussyslayerxX

[sharp owl]

A purge WEEK sounds good right bout now

[mint light]

or smt like that

[little ridge]

"vibe sus" and a new favourite I've started hearing "We're OBAMA"

[balmy moat]

I don't understand this at all 😭

[little ridge]

Which makes me feel bizzare

[balmy moat]

I don't understand the new english

[little ridge]

guess I'm a black ex-president now?

Do I get the nuclear codes?

[mint light]

You'll need a year m8

[mint light]

your first to die in the next horror movie !!!!

[sharp owl]

Might cause collateral damage but I'll accept loses

[serene jewel]

hel shotgun seems alright

idk how I feel about taking it with hel gun though

[wispy bluff]

S tier CQC gun and an S tier mid range gun... I don't see any issues.

[serene jewel]

compelling argument

[wide moss]

You say mid range but you could be in melee distance and the shot still not connect

[wispy bluff]

Aside from comfort of use of course, but thats a given with charge ups

[serene jewel]

that only happens to me when you get hit

man aim punch is annoying

[wispy bluff]

The importance of killing them before they kiss

I tried to like the HEL Gun but charge ups are a mood killer

[vagrant veldt]

I nevr found it it be a big downside.

[unreal crystal]

i can understand not liking it these days tbh

but the 0.1 charge up time was so meaningless

it was actually so fun to use

[wispy bluff]

I only know how to flick and try to time my left clicks with when enemy body part crosses my reticle. Any more requirements above that break me.

[unreal crystal]

the good old days :(

[wispy bluff]

Maybe if it worked on "let go to shoot" basis...

[vagrant veldt]

I love HEL shotgun. It is great. Sucks on single sleeprs but line a few up and we are good.

[sharp owl]

It doesn't suck on single sleepers

It's essentially a combat shotgun

[wispy bluff]

You can get it to reliably double tap them. At very close range, of course.

[burnt flume]

too hard to get headshots while firing at full speed

[analog flicker]

Not being able to fire hel right away next to your overall fire rate being slower because of it just feels bad

The gun itself can still do its job though

I really just miss being able to swap and fire right away.
Trying to do that now ends up with me getting licked mid charge up

[wispy bluff]

Honestly the charge up is an overkill, they could just put a low ass fire rate on it and call it a day.

[analog flicker]

I prefer the charge up nerf before this current one

At least that one was still manageable

[modern coral]

I'd rather they nerf the damage than the charge-up tbh.

[analog flicker]

15?

[modern coral]

Yeah, losing the 15 dmg breakpoint might be fair.

[wispy bluff]

Would it?

[analog flicker]

2 tap chargers

[wispy bluff]

All it means is that chargers and shooters now die in 3 shots

Which would feel like ass

[analog flicker]

Shooters just headshot

[wispy bluff]

Unless...

We nerf it to like 11, reverse charge nerfs, give it extra ammo to compensate.

Make it a HEL spammable

[analog flicker]

11

[modern coral]

11 would be hard to swallow, but for 0.1s charge-up it might be worth it.

12.6 would be less painful, but potentially very strong.

[analog flicker]

Let's just pray it becomes a High cal situation

Nerf gets reverted

[wispy bluff]

Headshot oneshot or something?

I'm watching bodyshots only, so not sure what's going on there

[modern coral]

Classic multi-step buff.

[wispy bluff]

I did botsolo R6AX with it. It performed alright.

Just... Not pleasant to use.

[modern coral]

11 means you cannot follow-up w/ HEL Revo or DMR.

(to body)

[analog flicker]

Ye

12.6 + 7.51
20.11

[modern coral]

Which could be a way to rebalance it, but it's a hard pill to swallow.

[lofty grotto]

What would it mean for a Spear to have that aggressive booster of 55%

Melee Damage

[modern coral]

If you know base damage and precision you can just calculate it out for different breakpoints.

17.5 * 1.5 * 1.55 * 1.5 (giant head) * 2 (max back) = ~122, so it should just one-shot.

[lofty grotto]

Oh

[analog flicker]

It's basically a precision bonus ontop of precision bonus ain't it?

Roughly

[wispy bluff]

Occi oneshots everything

Works from +52% and above.

[lofty grotto]

Even frontal Hybs?

[wispy bluff]

Occi only.

[lofty grotto]

Dang ok

[wispy bluff]

I don't know how to occi hybrids though

[lofty grotto]

Neither do I

[analog flicker]

53% and above

[modern coral]

Go to the spot you'd think is behind them, then move to the right.

That is where their back is actually facing.

They face off-center, same for strikers in the same pose.

[wispy bluff]

Apparently 52% according to some guy. Something something rounding.

[analog flicker]

I'd still take 53% and above for insurance

Im not trying to rely on some rounding error

[wispy bluff]

Screenshot?

[modern coral]

Cannot rn, gtg in a sec here.

But they should be looking a bit to the right compared to where you're looking.

[wispy bluff]

Weird. And not intuitive at all.

[modern coral]

It's basically, if you can comfortably hit head and you're moved to the right as opposed to the left, you probably have the correct angle.

[gusty burrow]

As long as you're in a 40 degree wide cone you still get max back damage. So you can stand slightly to the side of them and still get the max back damage easily enough.

Another thing that can help for hybrids is intentionally making them stretch/glow, since they're poke their heads up a bit higher when they do so.

[modern coral]

Should be 22.5 degrees?

And for hybrids, it's not just remaining in the acceptable cone, the facing direction is legitimately off-center.

You will lose a significant amount of damage doing the same thing but being left.

[little ridge]

I assume it's easier with spear? Since he was talking about spear originally

no arc-scanner from hammer, spear's just a line, right?

[gusty burrow]

41.4 degrees to either side. Gotta brush up on https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Back_Multiplier ray

[modern coral]

Oh, you mean somewhat bi-directional.

[gusty burrow]

as in the whole angle range is like 80 degrees wide. 41 to either side.

[lofty grotto]

Ok

[modern coral]

I'll probably ask more about the info later, but last I heard it uses a function that takes the angle and varies the multiplier from 0-90, where a number in there has 22.5 added to it to give it a larger window for perfect damage.

[lofty grotto]

I’m just trying to plan our future R5E1 attempt or R5D2 attempt

[modern coral]

And at least in my experience, the perfect damage angle seems to be somewhat tight.

At least 40 is an insanely large tolerance.

[silk blade]

I really wish they'd give melee weapons like .5 more damage just so no rounding error

[neat pendant]

would i be able to replay one of the expeditions and get a cosmetic reward or is it only for the first time of completing it, really just want pants i started with shorts with a fecal matter stain on it

[gusty burrow]

Only first time completion.

[neat pendant]

damn

whyd i spawn with those shorts😥

everyone else got cool pants

i be over here lookin like a whole goober

[junior latch]

@gusty burrow 👀 watcha doin

[ionic pollen]

Shorts = drip

Wear em with pride

[junior latch]

shorts based if you have no legs

[ionic pollen]

Most of the pants are pretty silly too

[neat pendant]

2 friends of mine started with pants right away is it not random?

[gusty burrow]

Getting a clip for ray and then going sleepies 💔

[junior latch]

theres beginners gear it randomly chooses from iirc?

no tru

[ionic pollen]

I think u get a few random cosmetics from a small pool of them when you start

[neat pendant]

this poor naked newt just wants some decency to cover up his nakedness

[junior latch]

clear missions

get drip

[wispy bluff]

Mask, torso and maybe pants are random from like 4 starters?

[neat pendant]

nah i just had whatever my guy was wearing

[wispy bluff]

Backpack is the same always.

[mint light]

Git gud, git clothes

[neat pendant]

fr im starting from the bottom rn i aint got no silver spoon like my friends, got nothing but a shit stained pair of shorts to my name😤

[sharp owl]

The shit stains don't come off

Sorry to disappoint

They're there in everything

[ionic pollen]

Yeah and like the ones you are wearing are randomized from a few options, if i remember right

[neat pendant]

disappoint? thats actually a dream of mine

[sharp owl]

Unless it's biohazard and shiny or something

Oh nice

Yeah every cloth cosmetic has tons if dried fecal matter on it

[neat pendant]

covering myself in shit just hides my scent

[ionic pollen]

The full rubber pantboots are dope

[sharp owl]

They ran out of toilet paper

[mint light]

Join the latex gang

[sharp owl]

I'm really not sure which cosmetics are my fac

Fav

I jeep switching back and forth

[neat pendant]

when i played this game a year or 2 ago i wasnt able to get rid of bots and they were atrocious are they still as bad?

[sharp owl]

Heat color is a certified banger though

[ionic pollen]

I often try to get the goofiest lukin combo out of what i have nowadays

[sharp owl]

Lemonhead

[ionic pollen]

I got the scorpion helmet really early and spent a long time looking somewhat cool

[wispy bluff]

I wish we had more pouchy backpacks.

[sharp owl]

Same

I have 2 good packs

So I'm good there

[ionic pollen]

Current favorite is a deranged gardener type of setup

[wispy bluff]

The starter backpack has the largest pouches in the game and no one comes close to beating it.

[sharp owl]

Comapct pioneer nature and the survivalist something something

Which is like the stock but looks nicer

And not totally worn out and shit

[wispy bluff]

no rug

[sharp owl]

Rug?

[wispy bluff]

Starter has a rug hanging under it

Have no idea what for

[sharp owl]

It has a rug

[mint light]

unchanged. you will not finish this game solo/solo bots

[sharp owl]

It's called a bedroll you fucking casual

Go play the long dark

[neat pendant]

damn lol

[sharp owl]

And yes i have no idea why you need a bedrool

[ionic pollen]

I have been wondering this also

[little ridge]

Take it how you want but you can do a good amount of levels with vanilla bots

[sharp owl]

I potentially see it having some utility for putting things down quietly

[neat pendant]

bet ima do one or 2

[sharp owl]

Like set it down to put items on it

Without making noise

For cells or mags or we

[wispy bluff]

I have it on authority you can solo rundown 1 with bots.

[sharp owl]

You can solo r1 period

[little ridge]

Realistically I'd say you can do r1 and r2 until r2d2 with vanilla bots

[neat pendant]

whats the best set ups for the bots

[balmy moat]

Never cfoam

[sharp owl]

Give one bio and not shotguns

[balmy moat]

They are broken with bio

[little ridge]

Give one of them bio (they cheat with bio) then burst rifles/veruta

[ionic pollen]

I've done r4 a-b tier PEs solo with bots

[wispy bluff]

I tried R2C2 and I didn't made it past second alarm scan.

[neat pendant]

i salute you sir

[sharp owl]

Why

[neat pendant]

and sirs that also said

[wispy bluff]

It's too chaotic for them.

[balmy moat]

They miss so often

[ionic pollen]

With shotguns on 2 bots every time lol

[little ridge]

I did it twice with vanilla bots 🤷 not to boast

[sharp owl]

Shotguns do the funny friendly fire

[little ridge]

It's only annoying because I need to pick up shit myself

[neat pendant]

should i give them sentries?

[sharp owl]

Bots friendly fire a bunch

[ionic pollen]

They can do mines also

[wispy bluff]

You: foam
Them: miner, sentry, bio

You can replace miner with another sentry, same shit

[little ridge]

You can do some maps with 3 sentries 1 bio tbh, it really depends on the expedition

[wispy bluff]

If anything more utility once doors are out of the question

[little ridge]

if you do without mines just leave doors open

[sharp owl]

You can also just bring 4 burst sentries

If you want

Let em do all the heavy lifting

[neat pendant]

whats veruta?

[little ridge]

Machinegun high rpm

[sharp owl]

Machinegun IIX

[wispy bluff]

Machine Gun (HIGH RPM)

[neat pendant]

ahhh thank you

[sharp owl]

The one with the drum mag

Very nice gun

[little ridge]

oh it's D-rum

that's why I couldn't drink it

[sharp owl]

R2d1 statistics or something idk i have dementia

[balmy moat]

Ah yes, the 400 proof rum

Shit hits the fan

[neat pendant]

what would you guys say are viable guns for actual players, are all of them or is it some just dont even touch

[sharp owl]

For main basically anything

For special basically anything but it also depends what you want out of it

[neat pendant]

gotcha just bots should really be using 2 things lol

[wispy bluff]

Just don't use HEL AutoPistol, not with bots.

[sharp owl]

Main weapons are lower damage and more controllable, reliable guns for average sleepers

Special weapons have access to more damage and bring in the pain, and they're specialized

[neat pendant]

ill come back and ask for help if i cant manage bots dw lads lol

[wispy bluff]

Everything else is viable depending on the job and your playstyle.

[little ridge]

Speaking of bots, THAT got a new update that has an option to "disable the aimbot"

[neat pendant]

do i have to issue them commands too

[little ridge]

for placing shit and picking up mission items (cells)

[neat pendant]

ahh gotcha

[little ridge]

bio they do automatically

[vernal nebula]

and they’re damn good at using the bio tracker too

[balmy moat]

Ye they min max the shit out of the bio scan cooldown

[wispy bluff]

"DEPLOY YOUR SENTRY HERE!"
"NO"
"PUT SENTRY HERE!"
"I CAN'T DO THAT"

Goddamn, I love bots.

[sharp owl]

Sawed off plus high cal best loadout in the complex

[neat pendant]

one of my bots has bio but he isnt using it

[silk blade]

Most viable is carbine/hel revo paired with burst cannon

If you are good enough to not miss with burst cannon

[sharp owl]

Probably nothing is awake

Or moving

[silk blade]

The "I dislike aiming mechanics" loadout

[sharp owl]

Exactly

Point at cener mass

Profit

[silk blade]

Idk carbine still stands out as unbeatable

4 round burst that guarantees enemies die fast, good ammo capacity, good damage per bullet, low spread, low recoil, fast reload, decent sights, decent flashlight, decent range

What can't it do?

[ionic pollen]

U don't see any red triangles?

[wispy bluff]

Bots only ping awake enemies

[sharp owl]

Make the game fun

[wispy bluff]

Sleeping ones remain unnoticed

[hollow nymph]

People who've completed all the rundowns, what are u guys grinding/still playing for?

[sharp owl]

I think sawed off gets as much damage per refill as pump action, and it deals the same damage per shot too

It's so based

[balmy moat]

There's modded, there's randomizer, other ways to complete a level, challenge runs, etc.

[wispy bluff]

I just occasionaly drop in to help newbies, since I find playing with them more fun than watching 3 gorillas beat the level all by themselves.

[little ridge]

I've no idea

[balmy moat]

Some even grind completion numbers

[little ridge]

I just like the game I guess

[sharp owl]

Fun

[wispy bluff]

I also just like shooting monsters

[hollow nymph]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dErClzLSkmw&ab_channel=JeffTheGOAT It's indeed fun

[sharp owl]

Sledghammering monsters never really gets old

[mint light]

No idea what you talking bout?

[sharp owl]

This is the same phenomenon as another funny game called warface

It had a pve mode and people would just complete with each other so they could get to do stuff

Because vets would just blow past the whole level and all the other players could do is just watch

And it's just no fun

I wanna actually play the expedition, not watch a vet steamroll the entire thing while I'm still looking up stuff on the terminal

[coarse grail]

Speedruns/modded rundowns/helping people that don't have their completions/Duo runs

[mint light]

"guys I listed the Keys, gonna query em" "get the fuck here, we on extraction scan!"

[coarse grail]

One day you'll be a vet and noone will want to play with you 👀

[wispy bluff]

Not happening

It's very easy too : just don't use the sprint button.

[analog flicker]

[mint light]

ugh. but time Artek, time is important

[little ridge]

You see I get what you mean but consider that the game didnt have matchmake at all

[mint light]

More levels in the same amount of time.

[little ridge]

And the reason given for that was that it was believed to be best enjoyed with basically a fixed group

Ultimately I've always considered GTFO a game you SHOULD play with a fixed group of friends

Rather than pub your way through

You can pub your way through, I did it

[wispy bluff]

I hear you

[little ridge]

But it's probably not really the intended way

[mint light]

definitely, pretty easily as well