Then we got Rifle to pair w/ HEL Gun instead.
#gtfo-chat
analog flicker
Machine pp: up the damage and ramp the fire rate but nerf its range
junior latch
but 1 of them is a niche weapon
Other 2 high potential but have downsides
weary token
Every time I play GTFO I am just reminded of a joke
little ridge
Am I the only one that thinks there's too many main weapons for it to be satisfying to balance at this point?
sharp owl
no
junior latch
id love to buff machine pp and auto pp ammo and just make them spam of doom
analog flicker
Machine pp still has a bad enough Precision that I'd just take SMG over it
weary token
"It is man who is made in god's image!! Not you foul creature!!"
sharp owl
at the same time though variety is cool
modern coral
but 1 of them is a niche weapon
Other 2 high potential but have downsides
They're at least reasonably positioned rn.
Like, even Bullpup has a 6-shot.
MP has more of a niche now than ever, as well.
It does at least two things instead of one useless thing.
junior latch
They're at least reasonably positioned rn.
all 3 have weaknesses and AR aside are the weakest mains rn, but yea
They are way closer to being a fine pick
wicked solstice
Ar my beloved
junior latch
i actually have an easier time solo holding alarms with bullpup than with AR lmao
junior latch
Smg honestly
is the best full auto if you just take its combat
pdw has thermals tho
wicked solstice
mmm yeah I want AR buffs in R8
junior latch
(Obviously ignoring hel shotty)
wicked solstice
solace don’t say it
analog flicker
little ridge
pdw has thermals tho
How about giving AR thermals too? 😎 Everyone gets thermals
wicked solstice
listen
analog flicker
Anyhow
wicked solstice
400 ammo and 40 mag was my buff yes
Not saying that’s what 10cc should do
:3 would be nice tho
modern coral
Actually, I'm looking at MP eco now.
analog flicker
@modern coral is 3 dmg relevant in any way?
I was thinking 3 dmg/slightly slower RoF
modern coral
That is actually quite reasonable.
analog flicker
AR*
junior latch
Actually, I'm looking at MP eco now.
Always has been
wicked solstice
For AR?
modern coral
Always has been
It has the top body eco, though.
junior latch
its why its raw dmg output over time/refill is sick
weary token
how much calories do you think is in one sleeper?
wicked solstice
yeah I just made AR the ultimate midrange bullet hose
analog flicker
For AR?
Because Raya was saying they'd want it to be the highest damaging auto main
wicked solstice
huh
modern coral
<@111990475744944128> is 3 dmg relevant in any way?
I was thinking 3 dmg/slightl...
I'd have to math it out tbh.
junior latch
@modern coral thats actually a point i look forward to discussing on the thing im planning with you, BD and tru
wicked solstice
makes sense, yeah. Might consider changing AR again then
modern coral
That looks like it'd be a 4-shot, which is a bit much.
wispy bluff
+0.2 dmg
+2m range
And I think it'll be fine.
wicked solstice
I love the gun but it’s just not good, and I’m trying to balance it for Occ
analog flicker
I'd have to math it out tbh.
Because it would also bring the 30 mag to 90dmg instead of 65 as well
junior latch
That looks like it'd be a 4-shot, which is a bit much.
Reduce ammo and firerate accordingly
sharp siren
how about we make it do burst rifle damage
analog flicker
2.71 iirc
grizzled bison
That's an awful idea because you said it black dragon
sharp siren
That's an awful idea because you said it black dragon
your just jelouse i dont do boring challenges in payday 3 like you do
grizzled bison
Not yet...
wispy bluff
Burst rifle got that prec, that's what makes it good
wicked solstice
Does BR one burst a striker?
sharp siren
Not yet...
Ill never do it
wispy bluff
Nope
junior latch
Burst rifle got that prec, that's what makes it good
and like 25% more dmg lol
wispy bluff
I don't think so.
sharp siren
Burst rifle can 1 burst with client desync
modern coral
@junior latch I'm not sure that 19 damage BC is good for giants, tbh.
The breakpoint is really bad for any follow-up.
wicked solstice
Ah ok more client shenanigans
wispy bluff
Increase burst to 6-7 bullets - problem solved.
modern coral
Also, you can say it's the same for chargers, but BC isn't exactly a good charger killer.
grizzled bison
Burst rifle 😍
junior latch
The breakpoint is really bad for any follow-up.
5 dmg less matter that much?
modern coral
It's just not as bad as some other stuff.
junior latch
and people were coming at me for saying high cal at 25 dmg sucked against chargers
modern coral
5 dmg less matter that much?
I'd say.
wispy bluff
95 into giants was ass imho
modern coral
You have to spend so much ammo and attention just following up.
junior latch
95 into giants was ass imho
5 dmg doesnt make it ass for 99% of players even if at all
junior latch
its not
junior latch
it adds up
wispy bluff
Frankly I don't mind going for 60, but then you remove it the wind up and turn it into super heavy burst rifle. Now that's a gun I would like to test.
junior latch
but 1 extra main shot for high dmg mains or 2 for low dmg barely matters if its for giants
little ridge
Plus, you can't use BC to finish for BC.
well, other people can shoot
modern coral
95 dmg is really so far from 100
The issue isn't how far 95 is from 100, it's how far 95 is from 120.
junior latch
@modern coral remember id wanna buff 19 dmg BCs ammo
modern coral
well, other people can shoot
This is already a massive weakness for hybrids, though.
rose nova
and 100 of 120, its 20 25, even high cal pre buff could always oneshot it at that point
modern coral
Making it also a weakness for giants is just a bit eh.
little ridge
This is already a massive weakness for hybrids, though.
Put it this way tbh
I feel like weapons should tend to compliment each other
sharp siren
High cal buff was a mistake it shoulda been 28 so you can use boosters to reach that 30 damage breakpoint
grizzled bison
High cal buff was a mistake it shoulda been 28 so you can use boosters to reach ...
They should buff the dmr to one shot
little ridge
you kind of assume 1 guy running with it trying to kill X
grizzled bison
I think we should go back to that 2020 discussion
sharp siren
burst canon shoulda stayed at 19 and just reduce the recoil
little ridge
While the opposite is probably more often the case?
grizzled bison
I thought everyone agreed that either or was fine
modern coral
19 damage BC is also just boring af, if I'm being honest.
junior latch
burst canon shoulda stayed at 19 and just reduce the recoil
And if needed buff ammo thx
modern coral
22 damage BC w/ low ammo is actually an interesting weapon.
grizzled bison
It was either a damage buff or a recoil buff
junior latch
19 damage BC is also just boring af, if I'm being honest.
Oh no i cant delete waves with body shots on my giant/boss killer 
sharp siren
22 damage BC w/ low ammo is actually an interesting weapon.
you just like brushing
modern coral
Oh no i cant delete waves with body shots on my giant/boss killer <:Sadge:850702...
You say that, but that's unironically one of the few things going for it.
sharp siren
be like colgate
grizzled bison
Should you not be rewarded for landing all 5 shots?
sharp siren
and shit
modern coral
Like, Scatter is in the game again.
sharp siren
Should you not be rewarded for landing all 5 shots?
on a giant yes
modern coral
And it can do good chip into waves.
junior latch
You say that, but that's unironically one of the few things going for it.
"few"
modern coral
Yes, few.
wispy bluff
Oh no i cant delete waves with body shots on my giant/boss killer <:Sadge:850702...
But then sniper and scatter become kings again, no? More reliable. Clicking a tumor easier than winding up and holding the recoil.
junior latch
BC wave clear at 22 > scattergun wave clear, by far
grizzled bison
Eva I remember you saying that the old bc was bad against smalls
junior latch
@wispy bluff artek, even with nerfed BC sniper wasnt king and neither was scattergun honestly
modern coral
BC wave clear at 22 > scattergun wave clear, by far
I think you overrate BC or underrate Scatter there.
It genuinely costs a lot of ammo for BC to wave clear, especially when we have dedicated options that do similar things.
junior latch
Eva I remember you saying that the old bc was bad against smalls
beep, you do know the context for that right?
grizzled bison
Soloing iirc
junior latch
that was a part of the discussion
grizzled bison
Are you no longer adamant that a 20+ damage bc is bad against smalls?
modern coral
Current BC does not play like AltR3 BC.
junior latch
@modern coral scattergun is far less reliable at it imo
funnily enough BC feels better for it on host vs scatter better on client imo
junior latch
Are you no longer adamant that a 20+ damage bc is bad against smalls?
i never was
but if you wanna use strawmans be my guest
grizzled bison
I didn't
junior latch
Current BC does not play like AltR3 BC.
true
grizzled bison
This was literally a point you had made in the past
grizzled bison
???
junior latch
huh no
modern coral
The way I see it, BC does similar stuff to HEL Rifle, and HEL Rifle is very reasonably differentiated from BC, even if I really don't like it.
rose nova
ill nab the primo burgs
sharp siren
im just gonna be the guy that goes "oh shit" :DAAMN" after every sentence
grizzled bison
If you've changed your mind Eva you've changed your mind
modern coral
And again, BC has a crazy skill check.
grizzled bison
That would add context for why you think 22 damage was too much
junior latch
im just gonna be the guy that goes "oh shit" :DAAMN" after every sentence
why can i hear your DAAMN when reading it
sharp siren
im just that iconic you know
grizzled bison
I can hear the minecraft music
sharp siren
I can hear the minecraft music
You stupid
junior latch
If you've changed your mind Eva you've changed your mind
i feel like you probably slightly missremember my argument
but iirc beth also missunderstood me in the disucussion back then for a while
modern coral
My opinion is roughly the same, which tbh is why I don't think BC is all that crazy.
Brushing is really only particularly insane on reactors, because enemies are so much more predictable.
junior latch
imo alt r3 BC > current BC easily
just better ammo and recoil
modern coral
But you could say the same about HEL weapons on reactors.
junior latch
imo its just insane that BC has decent to good matchups vs basically everything if used well
i do agree tho
sharp siren
Brushing is really only particularly insane on reactors, because enemies are so ...
but if you where brushing you would be doing it in chokepoints do you?
junior latch
that it needs skill to be used on a level like that
modern coral
but if you where brushing you would be doing it in chokepoints do you?
Depends what you mean.
I usually like longer runways.
Big issue imo is that you can only kill parts of the wave, so you have to dedicate attention to clearing anything that gets through.
Which goes back to the "BC is strongest in statics/sweatier teams"
sharp siren
;i think burst canon its particularly special when it comes to wave clear, since you out of all of the weapons in its category (sniper/scatter) its the only one that you can get reliable wave clear without your ammo been destroyed unlike the other 2
modern coral
It's the opposite.
wispy bluff
That does seem to be the main point of contest...
grizzled bison
The skill ceiling weapon is good at the skill ceiling?
junior latch
scatter hurts less by shooting once or twice ye
modern coral
BC has terrible eco, especially if you ever whiff a brush.
Scatter has a fuckton of ammo.
But is very unsafe, and requires more chip.
wispy bluff
BC has exactly the same amount of burst as sniper has bullets, right? Plus minus one?
sharp siren
yeah but scatter its a little unreliable imo
grizzled bison
I wouldn't say the bc is entirely reliable either
junior latch
its decimals
modern coral
Half-healthing 5+ strikers is really good if you have the right team loadout.
junior latch
not entirely reliable, but its skill based completely rather than a pellet rng
sharp siren
when i shoot scatter i can see ljust a couple of smalls die here an there and with the big ass spread its unreliable
meanwhile burst canon you can just point and click
junior latch
but ive already stood by the fact that scattergun waveclear is underrated for specific moments
grizzled bison
You literally can't just do that
sharp siren
and you know there going to die
modern coral
Sure, but that assumes you need enemies to die.
grizzled bison
The recoil is designed to make that difficult
sharp siren
its a form of expression
modern coral
Again, if BC isn't killing everything, you still have to divert attention to clearing by other means.
modern coral
Scatter has similar power w/ the right play pattern.
junior latch
Again, if BC isn't killing everything, you still have to divert attention to cle...
if burst cannon killed everything it would be uber broken
sharp owl
Bc is funny
modern coral
if burst cannon killed everything it would be uber broken
That's why I think it's not, tho.
It has weaknesses.
junior latch
i dont think BC is omega broken rn
modern coral
and I think it's fine that it's a little cracked.
junior latch
i do think its the best gun tho if you are good with it
grizzled bison
The skill ceiling gun is good at the skill ceiling
sharp siren
its not particularly "broken" but its just that you get more value with the 20 damage
junior latch
and id rather have it at 19 with more ammo, less recoil
modern coral
I'm less willing to say it's the best gun.
grizzled bison
its not particularly "broken" but its just that you get more value with the 20 d...
That's what a buff is, yes
modern coral
When ammo is ever a factor, BC Is much less appealing.
junior latch
but for what
sharp siren
and out of the 3 weapons burst canon can just melt bosses and most giants without any issue
junior latch
when you are shooting mostly smalls the BC will only shoot when necessary with it
sharp owl
Yeah it gets what two mags or so
junior latch
if its bosses, no its still efficient af
for giants its less efficient yes, but easier
sharp siren
clearing smalls shouldnt be a thing with these giant boss killers imo
junior latch
when ammo is an issue you also wouldnt be using scattergun to waveclear unless necessary
and never sniper
grizzled bison
and out of the 3 weapons burst canon can just melt bosses and most giants withou...
The big killing weapon is good at killing bigs
sharp owl
Bc is easier than sniper?
sharp siren
The big killing weapon is good at killing bigs
but the point its that its good on smalls
and it shoudlnt be
wispy bluff
I think they should rework BC from scratch. It causes too many problems. Below 20x5 is ass, above 20x5 is too good and it leaves two other guns without a job because it does what they do and some extra.
Drop the 100dmg a burst and try something else, IMHO.
grizzled bison
If you're good with it
sharp siren
burst canon can do everything
sharp owl
body shots > headshot
No recoil > recoil
grizzled bison
It can, but the smalls aren't a guarantee
junior latch
No recoil > recoil
sniper technically has no recoil since you only ever shoot once
rose nova
I think they should rework BC from scratch. It causes too many problems. Below 2...
i dont think they can do that, people who actually like bc would kinda complain and, well they never just eliminated a gun out of spite
grizzled bison
You're rewarded for learning how to use the weapon in that way
sharp siren
sniper feels like a waste
scatter its unreliable and its not guarantee
burst canon its the only one that can do all of that
regardless of your recoil
sharp owl
sniper technically has no recoil since you only ever shoot once
Yeah that was my point
grizzled bison
Sniper is just an ammo sink against bosses, it's fine on bigs
wispy bluff
i dont think they can do that, people who actually like bc would kinda complain ...
I'm not asking to eleminate it, just keep adjusting it until it finds it's own unique niche.
junior latch
@sharp owl BC recoil doesnt matter when you bodyshot a giant
rose nova
I'm not asking to eleminate it, just keep adjusting it until it finds it's own u...
theres a difference between adjustin and just, fully changin how the gun works, effectively changin it to the core makes it just not the same gun, but well idk
wispy bluff
...which it appears to have failed to do
grizzled bison
It didn't fail to do
sharp siren
why even hit the 20 breakpoint
junior latch
19 damage still crazy good
this was my point
19 only matters vs smalls
sharp owl
The bc doesn't one charge giants right
grizzled bison
It also matters against hybrids
junior latch
so the thing is, if burst cannon vs smalls doesnt matter that much, why not nerf dmg to 19 and in return buff the gun up elsewhere so its better for the general community
sharp siren
^
junior latch
@grizzled bison well true, but thats another super rare thing
wispy bluff
theres a difference between adjustin and just, fully changin how the gun works, ...
Even then BC is horrific to use. Combination of both wind up and long cooldown between bursts makes it the equivalent of driving a car with unrefined rocks for wheels. It works, but dear god the feedback is fuckin' disgusting.
rose nova
The bc doesn't one charge giants right
no its 110 dmg rn i think, but maybs if u hit the head ive heard but unsure
grizzled bison
They could buff the bc to be old bc with 22 damage and you'd still use pr
little ridge
You literally have to learn how to control it
to be fair crouching after the first shot to kind of "nullifying" the recoil doesn't seem intended to me
junior latch
no its 110 dmg rn i think, but maybs if u hit the head ive heard but unsure
BBC heads?
rose nova
Even then BC is horrific to use. Combination of both wind up and long cooldown b...
thats very much another thing of dislikin charge ups, and if u hate em ur gonna hate kinda every charge up thats just very much another thing
junior latch
what
grizzled bison
Its not
sharp siren
oh shit wrong viddeo
grizzled bison
But I don't think having all your bc damage overfill on a single tumor as client is intended either
sharp siren
bar rescue its fire tho
junior latch
no wait yeah they said giants yeah hittin the head not of a bbc just a giant
ah, read charge giants
still doesnt unless client
grizzled bison
Elbow is a perfect example of how bc is not a guarantee at killing smalls
wispy bluff
how do you actually kill smalls with the bc
You literally just swipe the burst.
rose nova
or, across the enemies u wanna kill
modern coral
how do you actually kill smalls with the bc
Aim at first target, pick a second target, flick to a spot under the second target.
junior latch
recoil + firerate make it a bit
brush (or as host aim at) a group of strikers and either crouch time well to reduce recoil or pull down
grizzled bison
You literally just swipe the burst.
You literally dont
modern coral
Ideally you at least hit those two enemies, and if possible you hit something between them.
grizzled bison
That's how it originally worked
wispy bluff
Chances are you'll reliable get at least 2 kills. Which makes it twice as good as sniper in that regard.
junior latch
Elbow is a perfect example of how bc is not a guarantee at killing smalls
its definetly skill based and only really worth on people who are insane anyway at the game
but in return the gun feels like shit for beginners
grizzled bison
That's what a skill ceiling is
grizzled bison
You should be rewarded for your investment
rose nova
Chances are you'll reliable get at least 2 kills. Which makes it twice as good a...
dak once said he got 4 kills, i doubt him but would b fun
junior latch
and thats a design philosphy
but having a gun like that be overall more balanced is also one
im fine with both, as long as people dont meme on BC being strong then
rose nova
ill work on memes rn thank y-
grizzled bison
It's strong but you're forced to learn how to use it. That's the give and take.
If you want a more approachable version that's easier to use but less rewarding to learn, being less effective as a result, that's preference
junior latch
It's strong but you're forced to learn how to use it. That's the give and take.
which is design philosphy at this point
different discussion (but also interesting)
grizzled bison
Black dragon just talks like his opinion is gospel despite them patching weapons and tools against it
He is always wrong nanana booboo
sharp siren
what the fuck are you talking about
junior latch
sharp siren
beep on that schizo shit
grizzled bison
🖕I HATE YOU BLACK DRAGON I DID NOT WASTE 90 ON PAYDAY 3
wispy bluff
How about we try this:
- Damage 22 > 15 (110 > 75)
- Reduce burst cooldown (not wind up!) to make the gun more responsive.
- Increase ammo by another mag or two.
Surely such a niche of "powerful, but not too powerful" is welcome?
junior latch
huh you paid 90?
grizzled bison
It was bought for me actually
junior latch
artek wants og R3 burst cannon
grizzled bison
Artek, no
junior latch
It was bought for me actually
wispy bluff
Wasn't that the 20 dmg cancelable one?
grizzled bison
That's r4
sharp siren
you say my word aint gospel
grizzled bison
They were both cancelable
sharp siren
meanwhile artek got the satanic bible here
grizzled bison
LOL
wispy bluff
What was wrong with R3 one then? Sounds reasonable unless there's something I'm missing
grizzled bison
He's going to have to fight pestilence and get cube of meat
junior latch
artek is throwing out some insanely random (doesnt mean bad necessarily) takes out there recently
grizzled bison
They're all in good faith
modern coral
What was wrong with R3 one then? Sounds reasonable unless there's something I'm ...
It was hot garbage, lmao.
wispy bluff
Was it?
grizzled bison
Yes
modern coral
It was the most meme weapon in the game.
wispy bluff
How?
rose nova
i <3 cooldown and windup i love hearin the destructiviness of my gun chargin up i love the sounds it makes i love how powerful it sounds
grizzled bison
Except on bosses
junior latch
and the reason it wasnt ass vs bosses (mom) was because precision multis didnt exist iirc
grizzled bison
HEL weapons were also terrible.
You're going to start up black dragon again
high orchid
20 damage HEL Rifle 💀
god that sounds awful
grizzled bison
and the reason it wasnt ass vs bosses (mom) was because precision multis didnt e...
Ya
sharp siren
You're going to start up black dragon again
why are you like this to me
sharp siren
but you hate me 2 min ago
junior latch
los huevos
wispy bluff
In that case I'd vote to just turn it into just stronger burst rifle to compete with HAR or something.
rose nova
los huevos
al menton
grizzled bison
In that case I'd vote to just turn it into just stronger burst rifle to compete ...
Bc?
rose nova
burst charger
wispy bluff
Yes.
grizzled bison
Artek
That's not a very agreeable change
We don't need another machine gun variant
wispy bluff
Otherwise its cursed.
sharp siren
arbaruta
wispy bluff
19 is ass 20 is stupid strong
wispy bluff
I guess we just have to bite the bullet in one of them.
rose nova
when 10 dmg burst cannon
grizzled bison
Give it a 0 prec multi so you have to 5 burst a small
Black dragon when is the r6 video
sharp siren
mano
rose nova
pie
sharp siren
lmao
wispy bluff
No no, I mean like x4 or x6
grizzled bison
I agree, it should have a 6 burst
wispy bluff
19x6 would be fine by me
blissful dome
Yeaaaa
grizzled bison
19x6 would be fine by me
vivid echo
hey, anyone can give me a "guide' through game basics? I got it a while ago but got no one to actually go through it
wispy bluff
Have you done training?
wispy bluff
That's too vague
We can sit here forever examining basic mechanics. Any specifics you would like to know about?
vivid echo
I'm not quite sure if there is a "campaign" system or just drop down-get whatever u came for-gtfo
and if so if i could get anyone who is willing to give it a go
wispy bluff
It's... Kinda both.
vivid echo
It's... Kinda both.
wispy bluff
Rundowns and levels are in chronological orders, but you don't have to play them that way. You can join any lobby for any level and the clear will still count for you.
Generally speaking it basically doesn't matter. A level cleared is a level cleared, there's not much story to be concerned about - only deepest lore.
vivid echo
huh
wispy bluff
Just don't jump down to D and E levels without experience, you'll just be a dead weight.
Level tiers are basically difficulty.
vivid echo
ill try to stick around R1 for now i guess
wispy bluff
A = Easy
B = Normal
C = Advanced
D = Hard
E = Very Hard
vivid echo
k
rose nova
r1 is nice to start is very simple
usually u can just, go in order, and if u get hard hard stuck on a level jump to the next
mint light
ill try to stick around R1 for now i guess
R is not indicative of difficulty (Altho R1 is the easiest)
wicked solstice
R1 < R3 < R2/6 < R7 < R4 < R5
mint light
R1 < R3 < R2/6 < R7 < R4 < R5
good lad
wicked solstice
yeah, i don't really think R6/2 are worth differentiating
wicked solstice
it's like the R4/5 split but much less pronounced
mint light
yeah, i don't really think R6/2 are worth differentiating
I agree
wicked solstice
sure, R2E1 is a bit harder than any R6 mission, but a lot of R6's deeper levels are a bit harder than most of R2
wispy bluff
Also there's 4 of them
mint light
Also there's 4 of them
Only D4 and D3PE kinda count.
D1 is a C
and D2 is one of the easier D's in the game
wicked solstice
yeah definitely
mint light
And NO D4 is not E tier !!!
wicked solstice
never said it, but honestly I think it's a good thing
mint light
never said it, but honestly I think it's a good thing
Artek said it
grizzled bison
D2 ex is not one of the easier d tiers
mint light
it's something between him and me
mint light
D2 ex is not one of the easier d tiers
way too ez
wispy bluff
And NO D4 is not E tier !!!
It is to D what C3s are usually to Cs. Experimental and out there.
wicked solstice
it's barely easier than R2E1 imo, and I think a lot of R2E1's difficutly comes from just having a lot of room to fuck up
nah D4 is just straight up experimental and out there
wackiest and (in my opinion) coolest level they've done
grizzled bison
Personally I think r7 is overall more difficult than r6 on a rating scale
wicked solstice
and honestly idc ab all this but a newbie asked 
R2 might be easier but I still enjoy the hell out of R2B4
wicked solstice
R2 had a B4 <:ShooterUok:857047574459711508>
mint light
R2 might be easier but I still enjoy the hell out of R2B4
Is that why you used the "get turbine" objective in Occlusion??
wispy bluff
All these levels...
wicked solstice
Is that why you used the "get turbine" objective in Occlusion??
nah, that was for lore reasons
fair rapids
https://discord.gg/AeBVR5bMDA - R1A1 -
grizzled bison
LOL
mint light
nah, that was for lore reasons
Man I need to start that rundown from the start
wicked solstice
but that area WAS going to have spitters, I just got soundbugged 3 times during playtests
wispy bluff
https://discord.gg/AeBVR5bMDA - R1A1 -
.t lfg
foggy plankBOT
https://discord.gg/AeBVR5bMDA - R1A1 -
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coarse grail
https://discord.gg/AeBVR5bMDA - R1A1 -
try one of the lfg channels. maybe #lfg-beginners
wicked solstice
if I could figure out how to remove the ambient spitter noises, I'd use them
mint light
if I could figure out how to remove the ambient spitter noises, I'd use them
ain't there a mod for it?
wicked solstice
is there?
wispy bluff
I'm not playing modded.
wicked solstice
I'm not playing modded.
you should
mint light
I'm not playing modded.
he reverted sniper to OP OG R6 state
wispy bluff
Too lazy
wicked solstice
ayo it does exist?
mint light
you should
he'll cave in eventually. And then immediatly quits after starting D2
modern heart
you should
Don’t mods just destroy your matchmaking
modern heart
I mean you can’t play with others unless their modded as well
mint light
Don’t mods just destroy your matchmaking
you're not supposed to have em ON during lfg here .....
modern heart
I’m aware
wicked solstice
I mean you can’t play with others unless their modded as well
yeah, so just LFG in the modding server or another server that allows mods
modern heart
flashbacks to “gun restorers” pre ALT
wicked solstice
don't LFG modded here
mint light
I mean you can’t play with others unless their modded as well
When you do a modded rundown, the purpose is that everyone has it yes 😂
wicked solstice
The base games already hard enough
not all mods are harder than vanilla lol
I specifically made a rundown that I think is around R7 difficulty because I wanted a vanilla experience, and the modded rundowns at the time weren't cutting it
it's basically vanilla custom
sharp siren
The base games already hard enough
it really isnt
sharp owl
said bd, with 2000 hours
wicked solstice
yeah
modern heart
This game is true kino
wicked solstice
I love it a lot, that's why I made levels for it
modern heart
Aside from my limited free time but we ignore that
sharp siren
said bd, with 2000 hours
WAIT
HOW THE FUCK YOU KNOW
I GOT 2K HOURS
LMAO
How you got access to my steam profile!!
wispy bluff
Steam profile?....
junior latch
the difficulty of the game depends on whether you consider yourself a casual, a gaming casual, a gtfo casual or a gtfo sweat
sharp siren
its private!
wicked solstice
wicked solstice
its private!
sharp siren
this shit killed me lmao
junior latch
well 2000 isnt quite acurrate for BD
sharp owl
what does that mean
junior latch
what a shame
modern heart
Me with only 30 hours:
sharp owl
I GOT 2K HOURS
:)
sharp siren
dang
junior latch
Me with only 30 hours:
beginners gotta start somewhere
sharp owl
insane
wispy bluff
You can bypass it I believe
modern heart
It’s a shame I have crippiling anxiery
wicked solstice
i mean yeah I have like 1.2k but probably 150 of those are modding development
sharp siren
Me with only 30 hours:
yeah your still a neonate
modern heart
So I’m forced to sit there on LFG and wait till someone’s doing an expedition I wanna do
sharp siren
you still learning
sharp siren
then youll look at this game a be like " i want more
MOAR SHOOT
MOAR GUN
MOAR ENEMY
wicked solstice
moar GRAPPLER
wicked solstice
buried with Lockout 2
sharp owl
So I’m forced to sit there on LFG and wait till someone’s doing an expedition I ...
it's probably a better idea to host
whenever i search for expeditions i wanna do the last one is 6-12 hours ago
modern heart
Unfortunate social anxiety
high orchid
it's probably a better idea to host
an even better idea would be to find a group to play with
modern heart
Also lacking a microphone is not fun
modern heart
an even better idea would be to find a group to play with
What are friends
sharp owl
become a voiceline main
wispy bluff
Ironic coming from omori profile
modern heart
I have friends but unfortunately they either hate shooters
Or are living in the Great Depression and can’t fork over 40 bucks
rose nova
so me
wispy bluff
You can always gift...
high orchid
I have friends but unfortunately they either hate shooters
I aint a fan of shooters either but this is quite different from most shooters
modern heart
You can always gift...
I uh wasted my money on Alan wake : /
wispy bluff
Better game TBH
modern heart
Real
muted cypress
They are not even the same
rose nova
:[
muted cypress
Thats like comparing apple to orange
mint light
Thats like comparing apple to orange
Or a kiwi to a crowbar
sharp owl
WHEN CHAD R8
rose nova
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
sharp owl
when optimization patch
rose nova
when yall start usin machinep
true pilot
what happened
sharp owl
last r6 level i did was b2
true pilot
share the funnienes
sharp owl
then i rule 7 into a lobby
do d4 with lou and a bunch of others
from b2 straight to d4
true pilot
did you finish it?
sharp owl
yeah
true pilot
D4 i mean
nice
i lfged on a diff server into the second half of D4
damn was it hard
sharp owl
not when 3/4 members of the team are cracked
i even messed up twice on the scouts
tried to kill charger scout with iix and sledge but didn't get the full back multi
then i burst cannon'd a giant in a room with a scout
coarse grail
you don't need back multi if you use iix
true pilot
not when 3/4 members of the team are cracked
we got fucked by the last error alarm like 6 times before beating it
sonic zodiac
Hoping to jump into my first every game in a couple of hours. Any tips?
true pilot
and we also were doing it trio with one bot
true pilot
Hoping to jump into my first every game in a couple of hours. Any tips?
dont die
sharp owl
we got fucked by the last error alarm like 6 times before beating it
from what i saw the strat was goo
true pilot
i dont think we brought foam
coarse grail
Hoping to jump into my first every game in a couple of hours. Any tips?
Get familiar with the terminals
true pilot
im pretty sure we had 2 sentries and mines
sharp owl
you might wanna try that
true pilot
we did finish it
sharp owl
lou brought supply eff. and cfoam
true pilot
in a blaze of glory
sharp owl
ye
Thats expérience ruined
AT least for me
honestly it was fun
i am fine with getting carried so long as i get to at least do stuff
latent palm
honestly it was fun
real
sharp owl
what i don't like is when people speedrun the thing and i get left in the dust because idk the level
we took it slow and it was great even if i got carried
latent palm
what i don't like is when people speedrun the thing and i get left in the dust b...
preplan POV:
visual lily
sharp owl
assault and battery simulator 2019
latent palm
waitin for an good lfg
sharp owl
why dont you host
latent palm
why dont you host
latent palm
yeah gimme that lag
meh
sharp owl
gimme those hitboxes not rotating
earnest forge
have a good night
sharp owl
Shlorps
pov the surge alarm strikers reached you
btw
the sawed off fits a simlar role to the machine pistol right
wispy bluff
Essentially
wispy bluff
One boom or lotta dakka
burnt flume
the sawed off fits a simlar role to the machine pistol right
Sort of but not really
sharp owl
tell me bout it
this is not a saying i literally meant i want more details
since machine pistol tickles people that aren't very close
wispy bluff
Better for stunlock I guess
sharp owl
why not
rose nova
sawed off can kinda do bigs
machinep is very very fast killin power and super instant reload to kill 70 enemies in their face
sawed off is big dmg but, pitiful mag
burnt flume
If you're getting mobbed by a bunch of sleepers and only can fire sawed off, it'll be a lot rougher than machine pistol
rose nova
plus machinep is shit dmg not for anythin that is not a smol
wispy bluff
Is it though
sharp owl
it can actually one mag a giant
wispy bluff
What was the bullet on it again
sharp owl
which is funi
wispy bluff
1.8?
rose nova
um yeah somethin like that
burnt flume
You need back damage to 1 mag a giant don't you
sharp owl
1.9!
junior latch
the sawed off fits a simlar role to the machine pistol right
what
burnt flume
Because it deals just under 31 damage
wispy bluff
1.9x50 = 95 dmg per mag
burnt flume
Also Eva do you wanna try the r7e1 thing
wispy bluff
Basically nerfed burst Cannon burst, lmao
wispy bluff
Sawed off technically 90 damage per mag
burnt flume
Burst cannon vs sniper for killing strikers in 1 shot
sharp owl
machien guns got range tho
rose nova
i dont nope
sharp owl
yeah that
wispy bluff
The only difference is form of application
sharp owl
they dump damage fast when you're close to the target
wispy bluff
They literally fucking are what are you~
sharp owl
and they're bad at range
junior latch
machien guns got range tho
so does sawed off
wispy bluff
Does it?
sharp owl
it do?
wispy bluff
Elbow, go to wiki and tell me range numbers
sharp owl
i once tried to hold r2d2 with sawed off
junior latch
it kills at higher range than normal shotty so yes
sharp owl
Elbow, go to wiki and tell me range numbers
jamie pull that up
sharp owl
6m 40m
earnest forge
Much higher than you would expect a Sawed-off version of a Shotgun to do
rose nova
they dump damage fast when you're close to the target
but sawed off has 30 dmg
if u wanna compare just their use, scattergun and smg are the same gun
they deal dmg up close
das it
wispy bluff
Maybe if smg dealt 4 damage per bullet - yeah, sure
sonic zodiac
Get familiar with the terminals
I have a friend I'll always be playing with. He is a coder and I'm on steam deck with no keyboard so that will be his job
stoic rampart
Smg is good for ammo efficiency and shotguns arent
rose nova
Maybe if smg dealt 4 damage per bullet - yeah, sure
yeah machinep is 1.9 sawed off is 30
sharp owl
me when RPM
wispy bluff
One delivers it in one punch, the other does in thousand cuts
stoic rampart
Shotguns blow through ammo faster than ur mum blows through step dads
wraith marsh
there are so many awesome takes here what the fuck
wispy bluff
It's a mechanical difference
Although sawed off probably does mag dumps faster... Maybe.
rose nova
by a landslide
machinep at least u can, stop firin when enemy falls
sawed off does enough for two strikers with good luck in one bullet lmao
wispy bluff
Not happening
junior latch
Although sawed off probably does mag dumps faster... Maybe.
way faster lol
wispy bluff
Really? I found it quite good.
earnest forge
It is deceptively good now
junior latch
sawed off is rly good rn
rose nova
is ok is funny
fleet scarab
anyone need a noob lol
fleet scarab
need a team
stoic rampart
Where does the carbine sit on your list?
junior latch
1st or 2nd
sharp owl
very high
rose nova
need a team
hello! u can check the LFG channels to share n join lobbies! the instructions are in https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/653623062964731920
just some advice!
always ask to not be carried, make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel
and if you are new be sure to do the tutorial first [Training] and start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one
stoic rampart
Yeah I was gonna say the carbine is really good all round
sharp owl
great recoil
junior latch
lemme post the 2 lists in media again
stoic rampart
You got a lot of specials in s tier
sharp owl
is that burst rifle up there
rose nova
i guess u could say they are special
junior latch
why not lol
wispy bluff
It deals decent DPS if you can hit burst reliably
rose nova
burst rifles a very good weapon,
stoic rampart
I don't get the hype with the hel shotgun tho
last parrot
burst rifle is longer range
junior latch
Carbine is just better
1 being better doesnt mean another is bad lol
last parrot
I don't get the hype with the hel shotgun tho
unlimited stagger + amazing dps + pierce
rose nova
Same use but does it better
same as hel revo is a better every semi but they still got their uses
junior latch
I don't get the hype with the hel shotgun tho
no hype needed
its just cracked af in its range
take carbines insane dmg per mag of 114
now increase it by 50% and then give it pen
stoic rampart
For the hel shotgun?
rose nova
yeh
stoic rampart
Interesting, I thought I was just a stagger version of the combat shotgun
lusty river
Are any of the ars in main slot good
wispy bluff
Interesting, I thought I was just a stagger version of the combat shotgun
It is, basically. Just for main slot.
stoic rampart
Yeah but you wouldn't take 2 shotguns anyways
junior latch
@silk blade it rly isnt anything ultra special 
junior latch
Yeah but you wouldn't take 2 shotguns anyways
hel shotgun combat shotgun duo loadout is strong tho?
just weak vs shooters
wispy bluff
Yeah but you wouldn't take 2 shotguns anyways
You can and you'll be nearly unstoppable in close range combat.
earnest forge
I would rate Pistol between A and B tiers
wraith marsh
think about it this way, would you rather trade combat shotty for a main weapon or a special weapon
earnest forge
But well... These are done in tiers for a purpose
junior latch
yus
stoic rampart
Idk I like having a long range and a close range weapon
junior latch
@rose nova in shambles
junior latch
Idk I like having a long range and a close range weapon
hel shotty + machine gun (or hel gun or whatever?)
rose nova
<@437056003012427782> in shambles
qwq
silk blade
<@526096782753529861> it rly isnt anything ultra special <:florkShrug1:911745490...
But it's nice
silk blade
I think it could be up one place
rose nova
no ik skdmkm but idk i like em cause they are easy, but i get thats not somethin u take into account ina tier list
silk blade
It's super controllable with good range and ok damage with a super quick reload
rose nova
if for me smg would b A, pdw too mayb
wraith marsh
it has been
stoic rampart
They should just buff guns to its level, the double tap and rifle just aren't it.
junior latch
I think it could be up one place
thats rifle, so eh. its pistol vs pistol vs range but less ammo
rose nova
They should just buff guns to its level, the double tap and rifle just aren't it...
they should nerf the top to the rest
junior latch
They should just buff guns to its level, the double tap and rifle just aren't it...
double tap is just incredibly hard
rifle is completely fine as is
analog flicker
Wut.
junior latch
5 dmg
analog flicker
Bruh
stoic rampart
5 beans
wispy bluff
That's mains in general
wispy bluff
Mains are back up guns, not real damage dealers
wispy bluff
With sole exceptions being sawed, DMR and HEL revo.
stoic rampart
Why would mains be back up when they are called mains
balmy moat
Well mains are mains
silk blade
Carbine is legendary
wispy bluff
5 dmg is pretty nice for a main
balmy moat
So you just disproved yourself
stoic rampart
I wouldn't call my wife the backup but I'm not married so idk what I'm talking about
wispy bluff
Why would mains be back up when they are called mains
Question to the devs that one.
analog flicker
5 damage rotz btw is give or take similar to Arbalist MG and HAR doing 5 dmg per shot
junior latch
It feels weak
huh na
analog flicker
Pistol being just under 5 but basically near just as effective
junior latch
skill issue for void
rose nova
thats yalls problem
balmy moat
Pistol > rifle
junior latch
range > ammo
sharp owl
burst rifle, apparently, can 2 burst strikers and 1 tap shooters
stoic rampart
Beans<Bullets
sharp owl
but i am too shit with it
analog flicker
Pistol range got buffed anyhow
junior latch
pistol range isnt comparable to rifle
analog flicker
pistol range isnt comparable to rifle
9m still better than 6m 
balmy moat
Who cares about range
sharp owl
i do
balmy moat
Just let them get close
junior latch
9m still better than 6m <a:psyker_chaos:1124365703953264731>
wat
sharp owl
no
analog flicker
And well rifle idc much for range on it
balmy moat
stoic rampart
Yeah I don't look at stats whe I figure out which guns I like. Me like shoot.
rose nova
Yeah I don't look at stats whe I figure out which guns I like. Me like shoot.
me in r7 sayin pdw is trash:
analog flicker
Imo rifles Range isn't enough to justify using it. It feels situational
Otherwise I'd just take other semi
junior latch
do people know the differences between the 2 lol
junior latch
Otherwise I'd just take other semi
that is a different point
stoic rampart
Pdw makes my earwax harden
rose nova
ew
stoic rampart
The sound the heavy smg makes when you first start shooting on the otherhand
sharp owl
what
balmy moat
Heavy SMG 💀
analog flicker
that is a different point
If I wanted range like Rifle. I'd prefer DMR/Helrevo imo
stoic rampart
Heavy smg skull emoji
lusty river
how does the pdw perform now? i haven’t used it since they made changes to it
wispy bluff
It's fine.
junior latch
its fine
analog flicker
It's fine
rose nova
its fine
balmy moat
I’d put Heavy SMG at as the worst sounding weapon
stoic rampart
It ain't the black ops 2 pdw but it does fine
balmy moat
Sorry
lusty river
hmm i have a feeling the pdw is fine
sharp owl
pdw is garbage
rose nova
I’d put Heavy SMG at as the worst sounding weapon
compared to bullpup lmao
bullpup sounds weak and fit to, gmod or somethin
stoic rampart
You must have water damage in yoy ear drum
analog flicker
I’d put Heavy SMG at as the worst sounding weapon
Reminded me of people saying Sniper is wack because it has Precision Rifle gun sound
balmy moat
compared to bullpup lmao
bullpup sounds weak and fit to, gmod or somethin
They both go to F
grim leaf
i like using the basic smg personally
balmy moat
too much recoil
PDW and recoil?
stoic rampart
I miss threat level extreme sound
balmy moat
It isn’t bad lol
analog flicker
PDWs recoil isn't bad
balmy moat
It’s very good
analog flicker
junior latch
@sharp owl or rather L-bowguard with that take
analog flicker
You want recoil. Go to pre-buff HAR
balmy moat
^
rose nova
<@456226577798135808> or rather L-bowguard with that take
so real
sharp owl
<@456226577798135808> or rather L-bowguard with that take
ouu i like that
quartz cape
<@456226577798135808> or rather L-bowguard with that take
bro you can't just kill a man like that
stoic rampart
Har is poop, it always has been. Pick up the machine gun and watch your chest hair grow
sharp owl
i agree
analog flicker
quartz cape
Har is poop, it always has been. Pick up the machine gun and watch your chest ha...
what about ogr6
stoic rampart
I don't remember ogres in gtfo
quartz cape
Original Rundown Six
stoic rampart
You gotta speak gun name for me I don't know the models
lusty river
and which do you prefer, machine pistol or hel autopistol 
balmy moat
and which do you prefer, machine pistol or hel autopistol <:NurnNom:102394733134...
Neither
stoic rampart
Id prefer death by firing squad
sharp owl
hel autopistol because it has hel in the name
quartz cape
wrong answer
sharp owl
and i die faster so i suffer less
quartz cape
haters are sleeping on machine pistol
wispy bluff
HAR just needs an extra mag and it'll be fine
balmy moat
Devs really be trolling when they added HEL to auto pp
lusty river
😆
balmy moat
And pp auto sentry
stoic rampart
Machine pistol is what a woman puts in her purse for self defense. I don't want to hear this.
wispy bluff
But I do agree that HELPP is a hard sell as it is.
People generally don't like guns that deal no damage
stoic rampart
Cuz it shoots urine like a hel pp?
stoic rampart
I'm not shouting, I'm typing
grim leaf
r/woosh
stoic rampart
The only one shouting is by bot with a biotraker
quartz cape
can we bring back the funny gtfo chatters
stoic rampart
R/neckfolds
quartz cape
this is embarassing
grim leaf
but funny reddit memes D:
stoic rampart
Chimp Davies why don't you tell me a joke instead of gatekeeping humor?
burnt flume
Whoosh? I like that album
sharp owl
🟦
quartz cape
Chimp Davies why don't you tell me a joke instead of gatekeeping humor?
last time I did that I got banned from the lore channel
burnt flume
can we bring back the funny gtfo chatters
Beep is busy rn
quartz cape
and you can tell
stoic rampart
Well those curators are probably too old to laugh anymore
The world is losing humor because we now have to watch what we say to not offend some twitter-addicted losers
Everyone on this discord is anxious and scared to make jokes anyways
wispy bluff
To be fair they did turned lore channel into a swamp of monkeys throwing mud balls at each other.
Which is fun and all, but...
Not exactly on topic, is it
stoic rampart
Does it have to be? What lore does this game even have beyond the cliche company hides deadly virus from humanity?
wispy bluff
Aliens... Parallel universes... Collectors... The inner...
Woods seen this all before and is ready...
stoic rampart
Who tf is woods
sharp owl
actually
wispy bluff
The guy every host plays by default.
sharp owl
why is burst rifle so good with a 6 shot kill when assault rifle needs 7 and is bad for that
sharp siren
my man plays with bots only and doesnt know the legend bot woods
hes program to be better than anybody
stoic rampart
I ain't ever seen him, I only know my boys Hackett bishop and dauda
Hackett is a voluntary idiot, Bishop is a smart ass and Dauda is evil
wispy bluff
You literally play as him
sharp owl
you occupy hackett's body
stoic rampart
Sometimes I do but not when I'm solo
quartz cape
To be fair they did turned lore channel into a swamp of monkeys throwing mud bal...
this is high slander
wispy bluff
Your name is literally CHIMP
quartz cape
and...
stoic rampart
There was a Nascar driver named davies who had a chimp if that does anything for you
quartz cape
can you report me to soy
vestal crystal
oh....
pine root
Beth reads this channel
quartz cape
thats why i need you guys to report me instead
quartz cape
big win for me
quartz cape
is that the reason you keep me around
manic spire