gtfo-chat

[latent palm]

[glacial shard]

just no one uses it

[wispy bluff]

It works... It's just... Everyone's here.

No one presses "matchmake" button except new people like you.

And so the cycle continues.

[obtuse garnet]

kk ty uninstall

[livid wraith]

see ya.

[outer lantern]

Good riddance

[wicked solstice]

average matchmaking doesn’t work user

[wispy bluff]

It is what it is.

[livid wraith]

It do be like that sometimes.

[glacial shard]

Helping that one guy do R1A1 made me have 1 mission completed twice

[wicked solstice]

mmm

You should see the people with 100+ R7E1 clears

[glacial shard]

why?

[wicked solstice]

i dunno

It was a dumb challenge here at one point

[pine root]

It was a way to burn through time

[wispy bluff]

I should screenshot my rundown clears for laughs sometimes

But none should exceed like 10

[wicked solstice]

I have like

28 on R7A1

[outer lantern]

R7a1 speedrun times are probably like 30 seconds lmao

too ez

[wicked solstice]

Yeah it was for all the limited time drip

[warped dune]

Imagine uninstalling a game over a shitty reason like that lmao

[mint light]

Lots of folks do be a bit stuck in their ways

[wispy bluff]

No no it's totally fair.

[warped dune]

Guarantee they're a pvp sweat that gets triggered over the slightest mention of "Skill based matchmaking"

[wispy bluff]

Discord matchmaking is cringe.

I hate lfg routines and it's the only reason I don't hop in for casual monster shooting

[mint light]

come with me on some non vanilla rundowns

you'll get your favorites

[wispy bluff]

I would install l4d again but my drive space is getting dangerously low.

[warped dune]

Get an external drive
I put practically all my games on it

[wispy bluff]

I have one.

[mint light]

Buy an extra SSD. 2 TB should do it for now

[wispy bluff]

I just need to finish something and I'll start transferring data there.

[little ridge]

you'd get scared by seeing my r1 completions then

I've like 60 r1c1s

[wispy bluff]

Good taste

Damn I didn't even C1 with buffed BP and PR

How can I call myself an accolade of medium range cult

[warped dune]

God discord matchmaking is so cool for this game lol

Its quicker than normal matchmaking and you get to meet a wider array of people

I met two Russian speakers yesterday, we had a blast

Dude, if we get crossplay it'll be amazing

[unreal crystal]

@wraith marsh why would you bring hel rifle over hel gun just for the sake of boss killing

That’s a very like tunnel visioned kinda view

[wraith marsh]

That's not what is said at all but ok

Not even remotely

[analog flicker]

[wraith marsh]

The point is most things are neutralized now

[outer lantern]

Bring sniper for boss.

[unreal crystal]

charge up nerf doesn’t change a whole lot friend

[junior latch]

hel gun is still rly good ye

[unreal crystal]

Play the gun a bunch and you’ll see

[analog flicker]

R6D1 boss? (Just got here)

[unreal crystal]

It’s still better than hel rifle easily

maybe when they nerf it again I’ll rethink it

[wraith marsh]

My god, I'm saying BOTH are

[junior latch]

oh yea, i forgot to add that i think DTR has a high potential peak but is probably the hardest gun to (realistically) get perfect with

[wraith marsh]

Pierce in general is too dumb

The more I play

The more I realize this

[analog flicker]

I use hel rifle to down my 3 teammates in one shot.

We aren't the same

[unreal crystal]

Hitting multiple enemies with one bullet is pretty good yes

This has been known for a while

[wraith marsh]

There is nothing more to say then

[junior latch]

@modern coral funny client interaction with tumors

[modern coral]

How does that affect HEL Rifle?

[junior latch]

tumor with 1 hp left? Client does full dmg anyway

[modern coral]

Also, isn't this old?

Oh.

[unreal crystal]

I don’t see what hel rifle has to do with that tho either

[wraith marsh]

Again

[junior latch]

hel rifle (similar to high cal) is just a pretty decent way for host to lower a tumor hp. Not rly special tho BUT it makes it better than thought before technically i guess?

[wraith marsh]

Neutralizing

With hel gun

[burnt flume]

I think that's a fairly niche thing

yes you might not "lose as much damage" but does it really make up for anything

hel rifle still pretty bad for boss killing no?

[wraith marsh]

It's mid

But it's the same as hel gun

[unreal crystal]

you can accomplish the same sorta shit with precision rifle or high cal as host

Or hel gun

[junior latch]

Beth just wants hel gun to be 0.7 second charge up

so its fair between the 2

[unreal crystal]

Tbh it doesn’t matter what gun you take as host as long as you don’t pop any tumors

[junior latch]

hel pp

[unreal crystal]

Within reason ofc

[wraith marsh]

The main point I was trying to convey was if most points are net neutral with hel gun, why would they not be same tier

But we like being angy here

[unreal crystal]

are they net neutral?

wow both guns pen and work similarly against bosses

Are those the 2 talking points im hearing

isn’t there a whole host of other things to acknowledge

[wraith marsh]

Do I need to restate shit from the loop

I thought knowledgeable ppl wouldn't need that

[unreal crystal]

I'm ngl, at this point I think I might put hel rifle in S just cuz pierce is so dumb and I don't think hel gun deserves to be moved to A
(I don't really see any reason to take gun over rifle at this point, since the charge up nerfs and boss killing discoveries)

[wraith marsh]

Sorry I'm tired of having the same convo

[junior latch]

reload speed
range
ammo (hel gun higher peak vs smalls, hel rifle vs chargers/bigs)
fire rate (still)

uhh, what else?

[wraith marsh]

And dont want to type shit on mobile

[unreal crystal]

Mag is also worth mentioning eva tbh

I like to fire my gun more before reloading

allows me to stagger or kill more enemy :D

[junior latch]

tbf thats mostly the thing of smalls vs chargers/bigs no?

[unreal crystal]

ok here’s the thing right

pen is cool and all

[junior latch]

tho fair, it has the stagger thing potentially vs chargers

[wraith marsh]

It only matters for staggers and smalls

[unreal crystal]

But it’s a complete dice roll on if you’re gonna actually pen 4 enemies with hel rifle or not

Hel gun too but it doesn’t affect the gun as much

[junior latch]

im completely ignoring pen here btw

as both have pen

[wraith marsh]

It doesn't matter

[unreal crystal]

It very much does matter lol

One loses a lot of value that it’s supposed to get

[junior latch]

and at best hel rifle has more pen even with the bug no?

[wraith marsh]

Treat the pen on each as net neutral

Why wouldn't they be

[unreal crystal]

And hel gun doesn’t care about the pen as much cause it has insane stats

[wraith marsh]

It doesn't tho

[unreal crystal]

It still loses value but it’s not as debilitating

[wraith marsh]

It has below average funnily enough

[junior latch]

dmg is above average

[wraith marsh]

It just has perfect breakpoints

[junior latch]

but hel rifle also has above average range

[wraith marsh]

And pierce

[grizzled bison]

What does hel rifle do on bosses

[wraith marsh]

This is why it is good

[little ridge]

jazz and netflix

[wraith marsh]

God you guys really like getting caught on the wrong shit

Go read up

[grizzled bison]

I was told to ask you

[wraith marsh]

It's net neutral to hel gun on bosses

That is the point

Not that it is special

Or even better

[grizzled bison]

That's a take to have

[unreal crystal]

you would’ve loved og r5 chill

[wraith marsh]

It's not a take

[unreal crystal]

You remind me of khepri

[wraith marsh]

Probably

[unreal crystal]

why is it always full circle

[wraith marsh]

EXACTLY

I'm losing it lmao

[unreal crystal]

History repeats itself over and over

[wraith marsh]

I should just only speak to shitpost

It's not worth it to do anything else

[torpid rose]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/975139511128424563/1155947350859206686/image0.jpg

[unreal crystal]

LOL

[wraith marsh]

Gtfo main weapons tier list by users

[mystic moss]

thank god, a real weapon's discussion

[unreal crystal]

@wraith marsh do you quickswap your hel rifle

This is a very important question

[grizzled bison]

I could see hel gun and hel rifle being on the same tier, but the whole net neutral shit just seems like a nothing phrase

[unreal crystal]

id put them on the same tier but I still put hel gun above

[grizzled bison]

I would also personally do that

[unreal crystal]

Once they nerf it to 0.4 charge up

I’m gone

[grizzled bison]

But other people swear by it

By hel rifle

[unreal crystal]

Because STATISTICALLY it’s good

It’s the same reason for mgs beep

STATISTICALLY it sounds great

[grizzled bison]

The numbers don't lie

[unreal crystal]

surely not right

surely there’s not other factors to consider

[grizzled bison]

I pick the weapon that has the bigger number over the other ones

[torpid rose]

they literally teach u in school that the numbers lie

i will extract juice from an apple

in theory i get this amount of juice

wait why do i have only half in actuality

[golden totem]

The numbers don't lie, their application is misused though

[little ridge]

Coastline Paradox

[grizzled bison]

I should have just asked what he meant by net neutral

[opal thorn]

i think machine guns are good, because you get so much reward for playing so poorly

[burnt flume]

I guess it was an implication that hel gun was only considered better for boss killing because it didn't "lose damage on tumour pops"

but now that client info is here then they're magically equal

[grizzled bison]

Neither are necessarily any great at killing bosses

[unreal crystal]

jesses

[grizzled bison]

Where is pink man

[burnt flume]

do you want to cook meths

[unreal crystal]

Machineguns are ok but I do not believe them to be on the same tier as burst cannon or hel gun

Or even hel rifle

they are not well rounded stop listening to the Australian

[rough robin]

The sawed-off shotgun now has more effective range than the full-barrel-length pump shotgun. odd

[unreal crystal]

he lies as easily as he breathes

[grizzled bison]

I think the mgs have gotten the smg effect

They aren't necessarily bad, but sacrificing big potential for more wave clear when your main weapons can practically do all you'd ever need is a strange one

[unreal crystal]

Well rounded…

[grizzled bison]

You can do what you want, but I'm going to look at you weird for mging a birther

[burnt flume]

but veruta has high dps

[wraith marsh]

ofc I do

[unreal crystal]

ok good

[grizzled bison]

He's winning

[wraith marsh]

its the main reason I play hel rifle hel shotty

that shits super fun in close range

[grizzled bison]

He loves reload times

[wraith marsh]

only need to reload hel shotty after the entire wave is already dead

[grizzled bison]

Yeah

[unreal crystal]

Power of having 3 other players

[opal thorn]

power of having 2 sentries

[wraith marsh]

power of killing 12 enemies without pierce before reloading either gun

by yourself

[burnt flume]

12 enemies seems like very few

well I mean it's not bad by any means but I'm sure other guns can output more

[grizzled bison]

Pistol kills less but it takes significantly less time to reload

Less down time 👊 🕶

[wraith marsh]

it is a 4 person loadout, this is true

but I have literally never had issues

[unreal crystal]

13 with hel revo hel gun :D

[wraith marsh]

with all headshots

[unreal crystal]

I love winning

[wraith marsh]

and its still only 1 more

byeah I know youre half joking

pachis statement is pretty rich

[timber tinsel]

Is there a way to mute someone's VGS callouts in game?

[unreal crystal]

I have more uptime than you so it works better for what I do

I don’t see myself running hel shotgun hel rifle in a DUO

[sharp owl]

dialogue audio

[unreal crystal]

IN THESE DUOS

[wraith marsh]

yeah

you run shotgun

cuz its mandatory

[unreal crystal]

Mandatory gun

[burnt flume]

beth have you been duoing lately

[wraith marsh]

🙄

[burnt flume]

i havent seen you streaming

[unreal crystal]

I have not been duoing

[grizzled bison]

Off the record c3 farming

[unreal crystal]

I prefer dead hard

[burnt flume]

you've been too busy watching me int

[grizzled bison]

It's very entertaining

[burnt flume]

I'm sure it is

[unreal crystal]

beep when r6 duos

[grizzled bison]

Only if I can use hel shotgun hel rifle

It's for the fliers

[unreal crystal]

Of course

[burnt flume]

I can't wait until the duo double dates when you have 2 duos playing in the same lobby

[unreal crystal]

you’re never invited to those pachi

[burnt flume]

yeah I'm not romantically inclined, no dates for me

[timber tinsel]

I don't want to mute all the dialogue as a whole. Just a specific person who spams.

[little ridge]

call him a slur /joking

[grizzled bison]

I don't think that's a thing

[burnt flume]

mute everything, leave the lobby, or deal with it I guess

[finite sentinel]

looks like today's a good day to bring out the machine pistol some more

[rose nova]

very machinep of u

[junior latch]

you basically never run either even with other stuff

[timber tinsel]

I left. The guy was also hacking. He had super speed on, and probably other game modifiers. Are game enhancing hacks allowed?

[little ridge]

no. you did good.

[finite sentinel]

it is very difficult to get in a match where no one is using mods, that's all i'm going to say about it.

[timber tinsel]

Quality of life mods are fine.

[finite sentinel]

"quality or life mods"

of*

[little ridge]

For the record, if I were you, I'd note the guy's discord

So you know beforehand

[finite sentinel]

you mean like perfect boosters which is game breaking at the end of the day right?

[junior latch]

theres actual qol mods
Then theres „qol“ mods. Which are soft cheating
Then theres „„qol““ mods that are cheating

Then theres straight cheaters/trolls

[junior latch]

not rly gamebreaking

but cheating

[unreal crystal]

its a weird loadout

[little ridge]

he explicitly said guy was on super speed

No booster make you zoom zoom

and I've seen people use that shit

[junior latch]

its fun in charger levels that spawn shooter

Hel rifle fucks both. Hel shotgun is hel shotgun

[finite sentinel]

they are game breaking for the simple fact you can run the same OP build over and over where usually you'd get one, maybe 2 shots at it

[timber tinsel]

It was a brand new Discord account that joined this discord same day. It wasn't my lobby, but I never let them join my lobbies.

And again, quality of life like pinging stuff is fine, but he had triple the speed of a normal player.

[finite sentinel]

the only thing i'm ok with is blackhopping

[junior latch]

Wouldnt rly consider that gamebreaking

Most vets have near unlimited amounts of boosters anyway. Yes cheating, but that stuff is already available

It isnt quite no recoil, endless mag, endless ammo etc

[little ridge]

Here's what you do, you take note, block him on discord or whatever you want, quit the lobby and move on

[junior latch]

Thats not even a mod lol

[finite sentinel]

i know it's a macro

[little ridge]

Unfortunately it's a PvE p2p game and there's shit like that

[junior latch]

its easier with a macro

[little ridge]

I wonder how many people actually just wallhack/aimbot and never get caught

[junior latch]

but its an ingame glitch

[little ridge]

cause yes, there's that shit too

[burnt flume]

if only we could bring momentum bug back to stop the blackhoppers

[finite sentinel]

i'm a vet with "unlimited" boosters and i have a few stacks of some of the nicer ones

but even i couldn't stack builds more than a few times without having to hunt those boosters back down

[burnt flume]

although it would, well, mess with zooming across the room while reloading weapons

[finite sentinel]

it just depends on who you're playing with when it comes to black hopping. some people do get together for speed runs

[junior latch]

aha

[finite sentinel]

i haven't really found it to be that useful

if you use it to quickly move a cell or something that's lawless imo

[little ridge]

you've used that 180 times according to discord

thought it'd be more

[junior latch]

im not quite @latent palm when it comes to emotes

[latent palm]

huh

[finite sentinel]

i was actually in a match with both him and "warp" the other day

[latent palm]

u were?

[finite sentinel]

it was kinda odd to see both names together

lol yeah either yesterday or the day b4

@latent palm have you used the machine pistol yet today?

[latent palm]

i never touch em lol

[latent palm]

u mean R6D4?

[finite sentinel]

i think so

[latent palm]

@junior latch im confused

what about my emojis

[junior latch]

Read this @latent palm

[junior latch]

Quite litteraly what we classify that as

I know its not quite this here, but its always funny to me when people explain gtfo speedruns to me

[latent palm]

oh

im half dead asleep tryna lfg rn

while watching GERZ stream

man this Nyquil beating my ass

[finite sentinel]

I've only ever done solo speedruns on low levels for the hell of it. i haven't really tracked my times.

[junior latch]

smh and not even posting it?

tsk tsk tsk

[finite sentinel]

lol i mean its just stuff like r5a2pe

[hollow quarry]

Are you talking mods?

[finite sentinel]

i can run that with my eyes closed

[latent palm]

change guns appearance

[junior latch]

theres 22 speedrun times for the tutorial/training my man

[hollow quarry]

Not really following what you mean here 🙂

[latent palm]

like stocks or somthing like that

[junior latch]

theres a bunch for r1a1 and r7a1

[junior latch]

dw i cant decipher it either

[hollow quarry]

Through mods or if we are doing it?

[latent palm]

i guess mods right now

[burnt flume]

"small number of people constantly working on the game while a few more come and go to help in places" I think

[latent palm]

i too dont take much interest in this matter much

but i do love to have a work bench to customize every now and then lol

[hollow quarry]

That sounds about right

[latent palm]

never happens but

ones imagination must fly

[hollow quarry]

If it’s just on your client/pov there’s probably no harm.

Hard for us to notice/moderate that

[latent palm]

There is how ever

Value changes to the weapons

But it is a trade off between all stats

[burnt flume]

if changing the model changes how the gun works then uh, yeah

I wouldn't call that quality of life

if it's just something like making DMR scope look better then sure, whatever

[finite sentinel]

I just want to see a functional mapper that's actually useful.. I saw someone using one with a mod and i can tell why they cut it. but if it would outline sleeper positions it might actually have a use.

[pine root]

No

[junior latch]

youd have to remove bio

for smth like that to be worth

[finite sentinel]

you know that moment when you first open a door and you start subconsciously giving every target a number for priority

imagine speed running and knowing what those clusters and such look like before you even get to the door to open it

[rose nova]

well that would depend even on if it has time to show it

otherwise speedrunners woulnt use it

in the trailer it looked slow

[finite sentinel]

then again i mostly just listen when first opening a door

[burnt flume]

In lower tier speedruns you probably ignore it anyway

To take another sentry or whatever

[rose nova]

and against normal bio tbh its not, that different

[pine root]

Brain off

[rose nova]

just more useless cause once u know the level u dont need to know the tile

[pine root]

Walk forward

You don’t get a choice

[visual lily]

as you said more people switched to the new projec then gtfo

so will they return for r8

[rough robin]

[finite sentinel]

it would need a lot of work that probably wouldn't be worth it in the end just to make it viable. I will say that about the mapper

[burnt flume]

And you know, meta knowledge on tiles probably does more

[finite sentinel]

would probably be more niche than the sg sentry

[burnt flume]

And biotracker is there for the enemies

[finite sentinel]

and the niche for the sg sentry is being entertained by watching rag dolls get shot 4 or 5 times before they hit the ground xD

[junior latch]

theres only a few levels where youd even care about enemy positions to avoid them at all. Even if you take bio its mostly for the ping in fog/darkness/chaos

Thats stuff like r7e1 or r3d1

[little ridge]

Out of mere curiosity

I always wanted to say

[finite sentinel]

the sound department for gtfo did a really good job even when it bugs out

[little ridge]

Let's say tomorrow a dev wakes up and decides "fuck it" and deleted Training

[junior latch]

that you wanted to speedrun training? gladly join up

[little ridge]

Let's also say that you cant get back into training

What happens?

[junior latch]

depends

[little ridge]

Assuming there's no way to reinstall old versions

[jade cliff]

joe biden appears and shakes your hand

[finite sentinel]

as far as being able to identify where stuff is

[little ridge]

Top guy that got in before the lock is now crowned champion

[little ridge]

ewwwwww

[junior latch]

thats a lot of assuming
But we already have og r1-r6 as legacy rundowns. Times are safed but you cant rerun

[little ridge]

yeah I meant in speedrunning in general

not to gtfo in particular

[finite sentinel]

he meant to say "sniffs your hair"

[junior latch]

you go back a version

or it gets deleted

or rather

[little ridge]

that's ewww x2

[junior latch]

times get archived and its removed

So @little ridge when training speedrun upload?

no escape

[little ridge]

I dont speedrun :3

[junior latch]

You dont speedrun, yet*

[finite sentinel]

isn't their like 1 big or something in the trainning?

[junior latch]

nop

5 sleeping smalls

then a very tiny alarm + extract

[finite sentinel]

lol it's litterally the only map idk by heart by now

[little ridge]

you know ALL the others by heart?

[junior latch]

when speedrun :^ )?

[little ridge]

wew

[finite sentinel]

i've completed everything at least once and most things twice

some things like 20x

[little ridge]

that's me too

[finite sentinel]

and yeah sleepo you've already done a speed run without knowing it

ever play with an extremely fast moving pub group?

speed run...

[little ridge]

that's not speedrun

[finite sentinel]

eh i'd call it an unintentional speed run

[little ridge]

I see speedrun as the video by that guy that does silo of 007 ad nauseam

until he despises his hobby

[finite sentinel]

its kinda cool when after the first few minutes of a match people notice they're all in sync and you just fly through the map

[little ridge]

and rants while restarting over and over

[little ridge]

well it's a team game

I guess people speedrun solo but still

I never got a permanent group since I've weird times

[finite sentinel]

idk about a perminate group[ but I know what names to look out for if I want to play with an experienced group on a harder map or something

most of us do i think

[junior latch]

yea, @little ridge always avoids me smh

[little ridge]

untrue I never avoid anime pfps

😆

[finite sentinel]

i'm so inconsistant that i wouldn't doubt people avoid me lol

i'll have a trash round on an easy map that causes people to leave then turn around and carry on some of the harder ones my next match

[junior latch]

i just wish more people would speedrun

[finite sentinel]

i could try with u but I give my self like a 6.5-7 out of 10 skill wise

i need to build confidence killing shadow scouts

i can do it but i can't just run in from the moment the door opens like i can with the normal ones

[pine root]

That isn’t the most important skill ngl

[junior latch]

jish

[pine root]

Shadow scour killing isn’t the most important skill

[junior latch]

what do you think of dimension skip?

[finite sentinel]

lawless

[pine root]

In what level

[junior latch]

whatcha think lol

[pine root]

R7e1

[junior latch]

Without glitches

yep

[pine root]

I think it is impossible with the res you currently have

[junior latch]

beth and me were putting up theories on how to do it

red?

[pine root]

The best way to do it would be to cap

[junior latch]

I think its doable if you either use boosters or have the player(s) that get 4th code quit once they have it

no perma kiting (exception pablo) or getting stuff stuck

[jade cliff]

where the heck do you run into shadows

[junior latch]

btw

i tested

[jade cliff]

I've played thru like the first 2 levels of every rundown and haven't encountered any

[junior latch]

the chargers spawn in the side room even if you are multiple zones away

[junior latch]

Youll see

[mint light]

Cause they ain't there

[pine root]

Really

[jade cliff]

bruv

[junior latch]

Yes

Actually jish

Moving this to spoiler chat

[pine root]

This actually makes it possible

[mint light]

you thought shadows would be in the first 2 levels of any rundown?

[wispy bluff]

oh hell yeah

game crashed

[mint light]

Nice

[jade cliff]

idk, I ran through r6 a1-d1 levels and didn't see anything either

and a few c levels

[mint light]

R6 is a week ass rundown it has shadows only in BX and D3

[jade cliff]

💀

not me taking 90 minutes to do r6d1

[wispy bluff]

nevermind it lives

but just barely

the only sound playing is sentries

[mint light]

You want quick shadows: R2C1

@jade cliff

[jade cliff]

o

ok

[mint light]

Technically R7B2 is earlier (tierwise) but you'd need to go into secondary for it

[analog flicker]

Yes. Since it is technically cosmetic

Just wanted confirmation

[jade cliff]

I think my team is already at r2c1

we basically did all the b1 levels

and we did r6, minus the side expeditions

[silk blade]

@junior latch On your tier list why is mastaba revolver above dreker precision

Just wondering

[mint light]

well there ya go: shadows

[normal lake]

Precision is ass

[jade cliff]

doesn't precision 1tap with any damage buff

[normal lake]

You mean boosters?

Idfk

I aint a booster boy

[burnt flume]

both precision rifle and revolver 1 tap smalls to the head

[junior latch]

It is not?

[burnt flume]

but thermal scope vs projectiles, and then other stuff like long reload is eh

[junior latch]

Its the other way around

[burnt flume]

and yeah, it's always a tossup between "leftmost on the tier is better" and "there's no ordering within tiers"

[normal lake]

I personally do leftmost but if i read someones tier list i assume they didnt do that

[junior latch]

leftmost unless stated otherwise honestly

[jade cliff]

thermal scopes... idk homie

I feel like thermal scopes are 🤮

[terse swift]

why

[jade cliff]

idk

just hard to SEE anything
so I feel like if it's not in fog it's just garbage

• dead bodies are highlighted too

[terse swift]

disagree

[burnt flume]

thermal scopes are gross and often relied on too much

[terse swift]

even with light on a target it can be tough to see often

[jade cliff]

I've only used the smg thermal scope though so idk if there are different ones that are less 🤮

[terse swift]

thermals help discriminate a bit more imo

[normal lake]

Pov your aiming down sights with thermal and get hit by a random shot from a shooter you couldnt see

[jade cliff]

real

[normal lake]

I prefer nonthermal over thermal on all maps that dont have invis

Which is most

[junior latch]

Thermals in fog are legit ass

[normal lake]

Honestly tho i mostly just dontnlike the guns thermal is attached to

Pdw is good but precision is a moment

[rose nova]

a moment in time

[junior latch]

both precision rifle and pdw are ok at the moment

[normal lake]

Yeah a solid ass ok

[junior latch]

honestly i prefer smg over pdw rn for gunplay. Thermals are the redeeming factor

[wispy bluff]

What's wrong with precision right now, in your opinion?

[normal lake]

Pdw is only full auto main i use

[normal lake]

Reload time and just how fuckin bulky the weapon feels to use

[wispy bluff]

Fair, but then again with 12 bullets it stays operational for a fair amount of time

[normal lake]

Last i used it and this may have changed but the fire rate was also pretty bad for fighting smalls

And the damage wasnt great for giants

[wispy bluff]

Wait, what's wrong with fire rate?

If anything its too high

Everyone's still baffled why it can even full auto

[normal lake]

Like i said may have changed

Been a long ass time

[wispy bluff]

Its basically a special upscaled DMR

[rose nova]

nah think its never been changed

[wispy bluff]

Oneshots smalls and scouts to the head, 12 bullets, 13 raw damage in case you miss - then someone else can finish the remaining 7

[modern coral]

It might have too much, 10 mag is fair.

Otherwise, it's fine if not very good.

[normal lake]

I remember never being comfortable with pr

[wispy bluff]

It has its quirks, but its a pretty okay gun right now

[modern coral]

It has the HCP power-creep while being a worse weapon, so it's pretty fair all-around.

[normal lake]

Didnt matter the situation it just never seemed to excell unless you where fighting invis

Basically a solid okay weapon

[rose nova]

id say idk, i feel like its the exact same gun from r7, and everyone was kinda not likin it in r7 but, maybs its just me and my bias cause i never liked it either

[normal lake]

Not great not terrible

[junior latch]

Higher base dmg

[rose nova]

or well not since like the alts

[junior latch]

lower reload

also more levels with shadows

[rose nova]

eh fairs

[wispy bluff]

I liked it from day one - it scratches that head-hunting itch i get sometimes

[modern coral]

^

Big fan of R7 PR despite its flaws.

[junior latch]

And og r7 PR wasnt garbage

it was just kinda

[modern coral]

8 mag PR is very iffy.

[junior latch]

bad*

[normal lake]

Its just never a pick i take lmfao

[wispy bluff]

The only other 3 guns that can do the same are Revolver, DMR and Sniper Rifle.
With revolver driving me mad with ironsights...
DMR... Not oneshoting biters. I still disagree, but it is what it is.
And Sniper Rifle... Yeah, let me just overkill a biter by about 100 damage too many

[normal lake]

I prefer other headshotting guns

And i could care less for thermal

[normal lake]

I love iron sights lmao

[junior latch]

what

sniper

what

hel rifle/high cal?

Hel gun?

[normal lake]

High cal was the gun i was refering to but lately I've really taken a liking to revolver

[wispy bluff]

HELR / HCP - 30 breakpoint, don't need no head (and i cant land one with HCP anyway, because ironsights)
HEL Gun? Headshots? I can barely land a bodyshot with that thing trying to find pen opportunities. I pretty much spray and pray with it and i don't like the feedback.

[normal lake]

The iron sights on a the pistols feel natural as fuck

But then again i grew up on games like new vegas with true iron sights

[wispy bluff]

Lucky you. I'm at war with iron sights since COD4

On another hand - any form of "bright coloured highlight" aiming systems suddenly buff my aim by like 20-25%

The only other example i can think of is Titanfall 2's thermal

[normal lake]

Oh yeah a red dot sight in this game would prob take any gun it was on and make it my favorite

[jade cliff]

im a heavy smg enjoyer

[normal lake]

Closer to realism is better for red dot

[wispy bluff]

Probably just psychological, but the feedback of aiming for bright red spots is much better

There's probably an argument there about how it cuts out all the visual noise that distracts me or something

[normal lake]

But for me i just love the feel of iron sights

[finite sentinel]

I wish we could get rid of the fun models and just have a cursor like we used to be able to do in old I.D. games

gun models*

[normal lake]

swapped from phone to pc since just woke up

anyways i dont think the three guns im the most accurate with are hel revo, revo, and high cal

[brisk wind]

Can we get a "This door" emote?

[wispy bluff]

Also i just remembered: there's a visceral show element to PR too.
Whenever you headshot something - their heads explode into chunks of viscera, which gets highlighted by the thermals too creating a visual of mini-explosion. Its a simple thing, but its a reward on itself too.

[normal lake]

no, if setup for a alarm doesnt end with you yelling "God damnit i said this fucking door not that one this one" after your friend used the cfoam on the wrong door your not playing right

[brisk wind]

I was mostly making a joke me and my friends often repeat any time we ping a door. Often it's the same door we all spam ping on.

[normal lake]

same here

altho ive had a few fuckin moments

remember setting up for a uplink closed a door and not even 2 minutes later my friend fucking bust it down saying he was to lazy for the hack lock

[sharp owl]

what does the M stand for on an alarm?

[burnt flume]

Mixed

means it has a greater variety of scan types in the alarm itself

[sharp owl]

ty!

[rose nova]

if ur on r2c1

dont worry about it ksmdkm

that ones just a bug

[silk blade]

M - you get team scans and single scans and group scans etc
S - Team scan that goes down when not everyone's in it
T - Scan that moves around while you do it unless I'm remembering wrong
Cluster - lots of single scans all over

[pine root]

It isn’t a bug

It is a og mixed scan

That is what they were before all the different scan types

[rose nova]

is it not

i mean but

why name it M then

and not being M

[pine root]

It is r2 version of m

[sharp owl]

just finished the scan, the first scan is a team scan, the last one is a big red scan, and all the ones in between are cluster scans

[pine root]

It is fully intentional

[sharp owl]

R2C1 Triangulation

[rose nova]

not clusters ksmdkm
they just normal 4 scans

i mean

i guess they

... doesnt matter

:b

[modern coral]

Just as 10cc intended

[rose nova]

idk sounds, funky

but what do i know

[serene berry]

it is splitting the difference between ALT being a re-release, and a remaster. they didn't put both feet in either way so we get inconsistencies.

[rose nova]

is that the only M in all of r2

[pine root]

I do believe that is the case

[modern coral]

R2D2

198

[rose nova]

ok oki now i get it a bit more

[sharp owl]

also new patch gave us five backwards lockboxes in a row, only one of which we were able to pixel perfect make the open button pop up 😦

[rough robin]

the difficulty buff we needed

that ammo pack? inacessible

[rose nova]

this is ur chance gtfoers complete the hardest refinery tile level with this bug

[sharp owl]

more like sharper teeth

[rose nova]

hard mode

[serene berry]

huh

[stoic rampart]

I saw a steam profile background that had sleepers running, does anyone know where to get this?

[rose nova]

check the GTFO point store on steam

[stoic rampart]

Its not there

[rose nova]

um then idk how they did it

[stoic rampart]

nvm there is a bundle that has it in the points store

[main spoke]

five minutes to say somenthing in the matchmaking chat?

[rose nova]

yes cause usually u just have to put all the info of ur lobby in one message

like the other ones

its made so it isnt spammed

[main spoke]

T_T

[rose nova]

:3

but well now that u are there, the instructions are in https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/653623062964731920

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried, make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel
and if you are new be sure to do the tutorial first [Training] and start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one

[main spoke]

thanks

[rose nova]

is okii, good luck findin people

[gusty burrow]

@junior latch Re: tierlist, big agree, BC back to busted, specials are all pretty Good.
Only thing I'd change is pistol over rifle (or put them same tier), the range and damage buffs to pistol means you get the 3 shot wayyyyy more reliably, which was its biggest downside over rifle before imo.

[pale zephyr]

smh, they bugged daudas voice lines again

[rough robin]

did they ever work

[serene berry]

in the what way?

[pale zephyr]

He still cant say "Thank you" and idk if the fix the other responce VL

and now he wont respond if you do the "follow me" command

but durung combat the "follow me" comannd works tho

[shut vapor]

@sleek sigil we gotta play some gtfo soon.. friend me on discord D:

[lime comet]

I just got the game

Does anyone wanna play later?

[rose nova]

hello! u can check the LFG channels to share n join lobbies! the instructions are in https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/653623062964731920

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried, make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel
be sure to do the tutorial first [Training] and start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one

[rough robin]

Characters that aren't Woods actually use their combat voice lines now

[fair veldt]

is there a way to change your character

or are you always the same

[rough robin]

host is always woods

it's just order of joining

[fair veldt]

oki

[split topaz]

Hello people, what is the secret to be good at this game? :]

[true pilot]

Learning

dying

then doing better next time

[sharp owl]

Play exclusively with bots

[split topaz]

I'm more of a human mates enjoyer

[analog flicker]

live.die.repeat.

[sharp owl]

You'll get used to the cold nature of their circuits n cables

[split topaz]

Nonsense, how can I blame bots for my own mistakes, humans are better

[sharp owl]

U can blame bots when they go melee mode during an alarm
Isn't that right 10cc

[split topaz]

Aren't they immune to fog? 🤔

[analog flicker]

Bot refuses to step into bio scans

it's also a no kicking bots run

[thick temple]

That doesn't come close to making up for their downsides

[split topaz]

Cause we can't pass R3 B2 with friends lol, fog of hell

Well I doubt bot will be the answer anyway

[hollow merlin]

why would you do that to yourself

[sharp owl]

Yes so u get to save all the disinfect for yourself

[stable shoal]

tfw you have to heal yourself from the bots shooting you in the back more than actually taking damage from sleepers T3T

[glacial shard]

bots not being detectable has saved me

saw a bot have a feeler pass through his body

[sharp owl]

wish a feeler passed through my body

[rose nova]

o_o;;;;;

[split topaz]

Scout be like : ~( °u°)~

[frank lagoon]

is there any lfg chat than lfg beginners

[outer lantern]

What

[true pilot]

#lfg-latin-america #lfg-eastern-europe #lfg-north-america #lfg-middle-east #lfg-western-europe #lfg-asia #lfg-oceania #lfg-africa

[junior latch]

Its a personal preference for me

The only real differences are

• rifle is better on range (duh)
• pistol is better close up
• rifle is better vs chargers and babies, shooters
• pistol has better efficiency/ammo

[latent palm]

Rifle got some nerfs right?

[junior latch]

2 less bullets per mag
Slightly worse falloff

[jade iron]

pistol is probably the main thing in your mains list that I'd raise an eyebrow at

imo it's pretty cracked after the buffs

does the rifle thing into smalls up to ~10m, which is about where I start to think it usually does the same thing

then it gets a truckload more ammo

I'm not usually one to sweat on ammo, but it's a pretty big gap between the two

[rough robin]

rifle nerf was very odd

imo

[jade iron]

but also if you want pistol in B then that's fine too

on specials, I think I can agree that the extra round per refill for high cal is a bit excessive

on my list I waffled about whether to put it above the "balanced" B tier

I think if I were making the list now I probably would push it up one

also the client tumor stuff is pretty unhinged, that throws out balance on things like high cal even more

overall I don't mind your list

I don't know what 10cc were thinking with the BC buff

aside from maybe pleasing some vets maybe

[timber tinsel]

"I completed pretty much everything in this game. And now I come to join you, a random in a B1 level to boast about my achievements, criticize your every movement, and offer you every tip possible like I'm a loading screen. Without your input of course. You may bow."

Sums up my last 40 min~
Someone take me out with a Hel Revolver.

[sharp siren]

you put that same person on a group of vets

and people will laugh at them

[jade iron]

handily, hel revo could take out you and the smurf at the same time

[sharp siren]

dont worry about those people

[lofty jacinth]

Amazing

[timber tinsel]

I don't think I'm much of a newbie anymore, so I just rolled my eyes at his tips, but I think someone else on the team was decently experienced and said to him "I know how to play, dude".

[jade iron]

seriously though that sucks

[rough robin]

worst kind of people

[lofty jacinth]

As a guy who was in a hiatus for 6+ months a simple answer is to sprint jump knowing damn well it wont work

[sharp siren]

Most of those people who actually boast about the shitty "achievement" generally cheese the game

[sharp owl]

backseatgaming

id prolly just leave right there if u wer eyou

[lofty jacinth]

My favorite moment is when joined random lfg and we unilaterally decided to speedrun it

Lol

That succ

[sharp siren]

you shoulda left!

never came back

[lofty jacinth]

Nah gotta meme on him

Wake up room go loud

The best way to defeat a backseater is to make things go out of plan

[junior latch]

(Obviously this isnt set in stone)
Imo one is no longer a beginner when they hit ~100 hours :p

but oof, that sounded like ass with that guy

[lofty jacinth]

Just gotta oil up my skills

[sharp siren]

We should all dick meassure our hours

[lofty jacinth]

Not playing forever really takes a toll

[sharp siren]

to give a false sense of achievement

[junior latch]

ive got 2

take it or leave it

[sharp siren]

2 phones

one for the bitches and one for the dough

[lofty jacinth]

I have none bc hackers ruined my lfg runs

[junior latch]

Jokes aside

[sharp owl]

i have more than 20 hours im so good

[sharp siren]

WHATS YOU PFP

[junior latch]

hours obviously arent skill

But they give room for experience n skill growth until a certain point

[sharp siren]

SEND IT

[sharp owl]

i did

[lofty jacinth]

100 hours in and my knowledge is outdated

[sharp siren]

Im gonna leave the gamr running the next month

so i can just throw those 100000 hours

in peoples faces

[lofty jacinth]

Lmao

[sharp siren]

electric bill be dammed

[junior latch]

Damn BD at 99300 hours already

[lofty jacinth]

I find my time spending gtfo on for lfg searching

Kekw

[timber tinsel]

I prolly have so many AFK hours~

[gusty burrow]

Agree with everything here, so if the only thing splitting them is personal preference why different tiers (otherwise 10/10 best tierlist I've seen recently).

[junior latch]

imo high B vs low A is not much of a gap

The reason for the tier gap between the 2 is just a few small things

Honestly i was most suprised by sawed off feeling pretty nice as host

[gusty burrow]

YES! I'd been messing around with possible sawed-off changes and reload to 1.6 makes a massive difference, you really get the chance to squeeze in so many more reloads mid-combat.

Haven't been able to feel the range buff too much, probably since a lot of the damage loss is from missing some pelets rather than falloff, but its definitely not a change that hurts

[glacial shard]

I have killed a scout probably 0.1 seconds before it screamed

British style

gave it the London Shanking Special

[junior latch]

the 30 dmg also rly helps with that (i hadnt touched it too much after that buff)

Honestly the only other thing i got suprised by is that smg is based af rn. Yes it has less ammo than machine pp, but actually being able to reliable hit and control makes it way more comfortable to play with.

Its also imo the best smg for combat (and probably the best full auto with that). Pdw is only higher due to thermal value

[flat perch]

oi mate, youre ge'in a spot of pain, good old chap

[mint light]

Ah the good old stabby stabby

Poor Brits they can't get nice things anymore

[gusty burrow]

Heavy SMG isn't bad either tbh, it's just old PDW, they've done an amazing job with the autos

They're like, decent, doesn't feel like a self-nerf to bring them, you probably still get slightly more value out of a semi-automatic, but I think that's how it should be. The bullet hoses should have easier but lower value.

[junior latch]

Yea

i think the full autos could still get some minor buffs on the stronger ones

(And all 4 lower ones definetly would want some)

[sharp owl]

tru and real

[gusty burrow]

Hek!

[mint light]

give smg sniper damage on each bullet

[junior latch]

AR is the only idk what you could do

Youd probably need to move heavy smg to special or smth and make it take that slot

machine pp and hel pp, more bullets >:D

bullpup, slowly lower reload until it feels good

[glacial shard]

is Assault Rifle good?

[gusty burrow]

This is where our balance philosophy's disagree, I want bullpup with its long reload, but a terrifying clip that actually backs it up.

[junior latch]

no

[glacial shard]

I been playing with it

[junior latch]

Thats another way to do it

[mint light]

Not really

[junior latch]

just generally the mag output is still not strong enough for its reload imo

[glacial shard]

I don't like burst guns

[rough robin]

45rnd mag would help BP without pushing it too high up, but maybe that wouldn't be enough

[junior latch]

its just no longer an insane missmatch

[mint light]

PDW seems to be the full auto choice atm

[glacial shard]

what if I miss? That's 4 shots gone

[junior latch]

it could be a good start

[rough robin]

also would just be neat to have a 45rnd mag gun

[glacial shard]

isn't PDW higher recoil than AR?

[junior latch]

Smg is the best combat one imo

[mint light]

Carbine is way too OP to be worrying bout that

[mint light]

I have not used a full auto since OG R6

[rough robin]

after they finally buffed the bullpup I don't think i've equipped anything else

actually no I tried the SMG's too

[junior latch]

bullpup no longer being a big handicap is so nice

generally there isnt anything thats actually garbage

as ive said i only put AR 1 tier lower to showcase it being the weakest imo

[mint light]

Carbine and hel revolver are just too nice

I can't put em down

[rough robin]

bullpup actually killing stuff more reasonably now feels great

[mint light]

Call me a meta pleb, don't care

[rough robin]

you actually NOTICE the 1x precision multi now, it absolutely melts tumors too

[coarse grail]

bullpup killing shooters feels so nice

[rough robin]

it went from "if you hit headshots, this gun does as much damage as the others do" to "if you hit headshots, you actually kill them faster"

[normal lake]

These two guns factor in a occasional run with sawed off for fun or pdw if there is a good amount of invis and you basically described how i choose main weapons

main weapon choice honestly feels like it doesnt matter to much as long as you are semi decent with them

[mint light]

Nah I got a flashlight for shadows

Or a teammate to yell at for pings

[rough robin]

how to counter shadows: lmfao open your eyes bruh

[normal lake]

id do this if i could get a more precise idea on where the head of the crouched giant shadow giant is

[mint light]

It works. so yes

[mint light]

Same for sec weapon tbh you can make a lot of shit work

It won't be ideal but hey ! if you can make it work

same with tools actually

[normal lake]

yeah as long as your squad isnt running 4 fucking scatterguns or sniper rifles you normally wont have trouble with ammo

but special choice def has some leverage on the way your run goes

[junior latch]

Underestimating scattergun efficiency i see :^ )

[normal lake]

nah its not that its more im not gonna overestimate myself and my team being able to use it effectively

[mint light]

I saw a run of R7E1 with 3 Veruta's and 1 choke. the choke player was babysitting pablo while the 3 Veruta's were on tanks. Explain logic to me

[gusty burrow]

I want like 3.4 damage bullpup and I'm not even joking, let it 1+3 strikers, reduce ammo so its not broken into giants and bosses

[junior latch]

3dmg main gun

[normal lake]

i mean if your at r7e1 you prob know how to handle tanks and at that point as long as you got enough ammo any gun should work

[junior latch]

would need hefty balance checks tho

[mint light]

Nope it was all shite stuff

[true pilot]

seems like a great strat

[normal lake]

might be a bit... time consuming

[mint light]

Smg and stuff

[junior latch]

That was toward tru

[mint light]

well they wiped

[mint light]

mb

[junior latch]

Verutas = more ammo

More ammo = less ammo wasted when killing tank

[normal lake]

lmfao

[gusty burrow]

Maybe 2.9 damage and let it 2+1 instead

[true pilot]

chad mindset

[mint light]

Not everyone making it to R7E1 is ready for it !!! very very bad assumption

counts for lots of E's

[true pilot]

Yeah

R7 especially if you do main only

[mint light]

Some players..... Just got carried and can't pull their weight

[normal lake]

yeah i failed to consider some people rush main only

[true pilot]

and R4 and R5 too

[mint light]

or rush mains

or just never learn anything bout the game

[normal lake]

if you do just mains you wont ever be ready for a level like e1

[junior latch]

And get carried aswell which makes it even worse when they stonewall

[normal lake]

that and brute forcing checkpoints rather than learning from failures

tho thats a r6 and r7 problem

[mint light]

Man I saw a 4 man squad unable to pass the first room or R2E1 . (they all had R2D2 done)

The first .... ROOM

[normal lake]

lmfao

meanwhile me and my friend meleed the charger scout room in r7d2 before even unlocking r7e1

[mint light]

You really can see wild shit sometimes

[true pilot]

Thats suprising, what were their tools?

[normal lake]

some people rush the game a bit i suppose

i never play outside my own team

[mint light]

2 sentries, mines and bio

[true pilot]

And like can you even go wrong with tools for the first room of R2E1?

[mint light]

We gave em the tool to bring then let em in blind and just watched

[true pilot]

You mean they wiped on the surge right?

[normal lake]

i never really know if i carry my friends but they all seem hella competant at the actual game itself

[mint light]

yes

over and over and over

[true pilot]

Bad sentry placement?

[normal lake]

tho one of them has no fucking clue what hes doing the moment he doesnt have someone reading out the objectives to him

[mint light]

Tbh you should be able to do 1st surge without sentries at all

[true pilot]

Yeah i suppose so

[mint light]

But even with sentries placed

wipe. wipe wipe

[true pilot]

damn

[mint light]

But no one would take IGL role. so yeah ...

[true pilot]

when i first tried R2E1 with 2 other people and a bot we died on the surge once

that reminds me i need to finally get a to team beat R2E1 with

[junior latch]

IGL?

[mint light]

In game leader

[junior latch]

R2E1 first surge is rly just movement simulator

[normal lake]

oh

was curious what igl meant aswell

makes sense

[true pilot]

i wonder how would auto sentries do on R2E1

[normal lake]

how tf do people play without someone leading the group

[true pilot]

people do that????

[mint light]

as it turns out. they don't

[sharp owl]

either no one does it or someone does it and goes too far

[normal lake]

like it doesnt even need to be much leadership it just needs to be something to keep people working together and not off doing there own shit causing problems

[mint light]

I never go too far, you know that. I will call you all kinds of slurs BUT will also compliment when doing good

[junior latch]

DNA, someone who always goes too far*

[normal lake]

ive always taken the leadership position and honestly it would be quite nice to just shut my brain off and be a follower during a gtfo session

[mint light]

When ????? 😮

[junior latch]

It kinda carries over from other games i feel like

At least thats it with me n league, overwatch and some other PVE games (honestly even fucking ARK lol)

[coarse grail]

The player with the most hours should lead the team 😤

[junior latch]

Always

[normal lake]

i think it comes naturally to me despite usually irl being really reserved

[mint light]

Lies 🧐

[normal lake]

altho a big part for gtfo is just the fact im very proficient with terminals so usually im the guy who knows what the fuck im doing

[true pilot]

i feel like a person with 10 hours can sometimes be a better leader than one with 20

[coarse grail]

True when its that few hours its down to personalities more than know-how

[mint light]

Got tons of recordings proving I am a loveable goofball

[little ridge]

Well

It depends

even on PvP stuff you usually have a shotcaller and stuff like that

You also have the same here in GTFO most of the times

Which is normal?

Think about it this way

[mint light]

It is

[little ridge]

I did R5E1 with 2 guys that knew the map like the back of their hands

Basically, I acted like a very advanced bot

[normal lake]

Its just strange to me that i am the leader or my own group

[little ridge]

Fuck I even had voicelines

Still I did everything they told me as efficiently as I could

A mechanism works if all the cogs do their job

[coarse grail]

Some levels you can let people do what they want but some you need to micromanage a bit more

[little ridge]

Which isn't neither getting bossied around nor getting carried, really

[coarse grail]

Was playing R6C3PE and it makes me a little bossy

cos people do need to go fast and not lose any time

[little ridge]

Consider this: RARELY, but it happens, I get three-stacks that don't know what to do

[normal lake]

oh yeah absolutely, fuck man i hate people who are controlling

[little ridge]

fuck doing alarms with them is so fucking easy

mainly because they CAN shoot

truth is, being able to shoot correctly goes a long way

[normal lake]

i think everyone learns there role for a level like that after a few fails and after that the win just kinda falls into place so long as the strategy is good enough

[little ridge]

tactics, where to bring what tool and how to use or place it

those things are menial shit that you can learn

Only real factor is IF there's a time costraint

Otherwise you learn it and that's it

[coarse grail]

The main thing was balancing being prompt for scans with looting for resources. The guy bringing up the rear should NOT be looting

[little ridge]

Hitting your shots? Good luck teaching that

[junior latch]

@mint light one of the "funniest" streamers for gtfo is streamin rn btw

[little ridge]

Hence why in some situations where IMHO shooting well makes the difference, like the surges of R2E1, you see groups struggling with the alarms

[little ridge]

the turk cheater?

[junior latch]

no

[coarse grail]

The red guy?

[normal lake]

I took back position because im actually terrible at navigating so following is way better for me but it also allowed me to ensure that everyone got through a door, it got mined, and it got closed

[junior latch]

did you know stamina got put into the game to stop speedrunners but it sadly removed kiting aswell which the devs didnt want to do

[normal lake]

my friend yelling GO RIGHT at me after my 4th time going left at the same spot is precisely the reasoning

[junior latch]

yes

[coarse grail]

This is why I always use compass directions 🙂

[little ridge]

The one that looks like the soyest truck driver ever?

[junior latch]

[coarse grail]

He seems like a regular kinda guy to me

[normal lake]

im just really bad at navigating it doesnt matter when or where

[junior latch]

@coarse grail might be now tbf

the stuff he said is back from only R7 times

and R6

[normal lake]

takes me about 8 round trips to memorize a 20 minute driving route, open world games i need a map if im ever gonna get around without getting lost constantly

gtfo is a fucking labyrinth for me

[coarse grail]

back in OGR6 we did slowly work up to the PE on C3 so by now I've got it pretty well memorised

[little ridge]

Reminder that anime pfps are winners

[coarse grail]

I'm feeling outnumbered here

[little ridge]

your steam profile avatar is anime

[normal lake]

my team fucking schizo and spent like 8 hours doing attempts on that level to do pe blind no checkpoints

then we got the run that actually made it and man it was worth the satisfaction

basically everything past the checkpoint door was new territory since our first run past it was our winning run

[coarse grail]

thats pretty good going

[normal lake]

very fun level once you learn just how fast you gotta be

and there is strategy to the waves since they are consistent and always on schedule

[lofty jacinth]

Unless thry decide to spawn ahead and wake up the room by breaking the fine china

[mint light]

wait who???

[junior latch]

red

missinfo machine

[mint light]

o ffs

well

it is what it is

[coarse grail]

@queen galleon If you wanted tips on this video: #gameplays message

• You probably realised this after but when doing a scan and the enemies haven't broken in yet do the the most dangerous scan spots first (in this case the one with the mine lasers crisscrossed over it) if you did this there wouldn't have been a second wave of enemies to fight.
• When fighting the 3 or 4 shooters at the end of the alarm its easier to use your hammer. They hit you most easily when you aren't moving so standing still to shoot will get you shot
• You need full charge on hammer to kill the scout, you only had about 50%. There is some grace period after touching the tentacles so feel free to wait a bit longer before letting it rip
• When the scout alerted the best thing to do would be to seal off the room you are in by shutting the doors, kill any enemies still in the room, and then when you hear enemies banging on a door mine it and then wait to shoot anything the mine doesn't kill.
• Also you didn't really need all those extra mines on the first alarm anyway. Just one will kill pretty much every basic enemy especially if you cfoamed.

[serene jewel]

is the knife considered a bad weapon

[midnight cipher]

not really

[coarse grail]

Nah, hammer is considered best, but knife is fine for its niche

[serene jewel]

I like it because it lets me be aggressive but I recommend nobody else take it so we're not completely useless against giants in stealth

[little ridge]

a bad habit since you're going to use the hammer eventually

[serene jewel]

oh

I'm addicted to walking around just knifing people in the head lol

[little ridge]

you can walk around just bonking people in the head

[serene jewel]

yeah but not as fast

[midnight cipher]

is the spear good? i keep seeing people running it

[little ridge]

requires some stealth kung fu but can be done

[coarse grail]

Every other weapon you can deal with giants to some extent, but not the knife

[serene jewel]

yea which is why I'm the only knife guy

[coarse grail]

But then knife handles smalls like nothing else

[wispy bluff]

Eh, 50/50

[serene jewel]

so that's the correct play right

no more than one knife?

[wispy bluff]

Hammer is just better in most situations and can salvage some freak accidents

[coarse grail]

Yeah, you don't really want a full team of knives

[serene jewel]

my friends can't deal with the giants in stealth..

[little ridge]

The correct play is 4 hammers 😄

[coarse grail]

Really I just run with a full team of hammers all the time

[wispy bluff]

But the spear is perfect for stealth oriented lads who don't sprint too much. Also is safer for dealing with giants.

[serene jewel]

can you one shot the trash with one hit anywhere using the hammer

[wispy bluff]

Yes.

[midnight cipher]

full charge

[coarse grail]

strikers yes, shooters back or head

[wispy bluff]

20 raw damage on full charge.

[serene jewel]

yeah, seems about right

[wispy bluff]

No other melee can do that

Hammer is utterly brainless in that regard

[mint light]

it's negligible how much slower you are with hammer. It's almost as fast

[serene jewel]

can you take out a group of three in close proximity by yourself

[wispy bluff]

Top damage, top stagger (only overshadowed by bat, weirdly enough), range is fine... Just a perfect jack of all trades. You could delete all 3 other melees from the game and nothing of value would be lost.

[midnight cipher]

if im not wrong the charge rate is just a 0.2 diff?

[coarse grail]

yes, but can be easier or harder based on their orientation