gtfo-chat

[junior latch]

occiput yes

[normal lake]

yeah tho tf you shooting scouts for

you have a hammer

[untold cypress]

lazy

[trim sail]

the machine gun can also kill the scout if you can control your recoil and burst all the bullets into her head

[normal lake]

which one

[trim sail]

but

we have scatter gun now...

[untold cypress]

i go point at head and boom room dead, room wakes up if i forgot to check instead

[normal lake]

scattergun meta is back baby

[trim sail]

both guns

[normal lake]

didnt think the 12 could pull it off

damn

[untold cypress]

how is scattergun good

[trim sail]

the slower version is easier to kill, but the faster version (60 bullets) is kinda hard

[untold cypress]

im not on the same page here

[glacial shard]

played with biggest trolls

[untold cypress]

the clip size was reduced from 3 to 2

[normal lake]

insane damage and its fun af to use

[latent palm]

which kind of trolls

[glacial shard]

they would wake up entire rooms just cause they deemed R2 too easy

[normal lake]

not stupid to use like burst cannon either

[junior latch]

Scattergun was always 2

[untold cypress]

oh

what?

[latent palm]

but they did win the game lol

[glacial shard]

yeah

[trim sail]

when the scatter gun was first released, you can actually 1 shot the mother... But they nerfed the gun immediately after a few days

[untold cypress]

i am hallucinating

[junior latch]

which lvl?

Did you wipe?

[junior latch]

No

You could 2 shot

[glacial shard]

R2B3 and B4

[latent palm]

[normal lake]

scattergun literally has me feeling like the fucking doom slayer

[glacial shard]

we didn't wipe

[trim sail]

i did actually saw 1 guy did that 1 shot to the mother back when the original R6

[junior latch]

not possible math wise

[trim sail]

could not record it but i still remember it

[normal lake]

gonna be real i do this on all levels that are not d or e tier

[latent palm]

50%+ special dmg POV:

[junior latch]

192 x 5 x 0.73 = 700

[sharp siren]

Probably shot before shooting the scatter

[trim sail]

did not know if that guy use any booster or not

[junior latch]

Yup

[sharp siren]

Or damage boosters

Or you know

Cheats

[latent palm]

fr fr

[normal lake]

could be potentially both

nothing like infinite max boosters to really make the game that much easier

[little ridge]

many such cases

[junior latch]

I mean i dont aggro all rooms 4fun but if you are far along the skill curve you sometimes would just rather pull rooms

[sharp siren]

Can we pls get a reworked booster mechanic pls 😔

[trim sail]

there's one time

i saw a guy with a booster

[junior latch]

But boosters are required!!!

[trim sail]

99% bio scan speed

like wtf ?

[latent palm]

u mean the Rev speed + supplies+ MedS?

[sharp siren]

As in everything

[latent palm]

gawd

literally become the dispenser

[untold cypress]

add the ability to drop the pack on the floor like a regular human

[normal lake]

what i dont get is i literally get boosters faster than i could ever use them

[sharp siren]

Boosters are good but its just shit

[normal lake]

even if i used it every run its not like i could ever fuckin run out

[true pilot]

bioscan speed boosters are actually kinda fun

[trim sail]

just remove the supply efficency boosters... i feel like those kind of boosters is breaking the game a lot

[untold cypress]

hacking effectiveness boosters go brrr your entire screen is just blue

[true pilot]

i did R4C3 with some random team and we all brought them and it was really cool

[normal lake]

Just remove boosters entirely or rework them to be just qol minor things

[trim sail]

agree

[latent palm]

the -22% mele dmg

[trim sail]

remove the entire booster system : yes

[true pilot]

but… CANDY?

[little ridge]

I remember proposing aeons ago to make boosters into permanent things with a much lower cap, to be fair I'm not sure of the idea anymore

[untold cypress]

like perks?

[trim sail]

if we gonna have a rework

i think we just need

[latent palm]

no

[trim sail]

to add more compensation to the good boosters

[latent palm]

perks completly will break GTFO

ngl

[untold cypress]

they would

[latent palm]

rather usables so you can PLAN

[trim sail]

40% supply efficiency + 50% HP reduction all the time ?

[little ridge]

kinda, instead of having one-use muteds/bolds/aggressives you have permanent +3/5/10% melee or +3/5/10% main damage

whatever

[latent palm]

unlike vets play fast go fast

[normal lake]

nah i genuinely hate the idea of adding any sort of grind to gtfo for permanent boost to player power

[little ridge]

And you can swap them and mix them how you like

[normal lake]

the one thing gtfo does right is the playing field is always even

[junior latch]

Agree there subtonix

[normal lake]

or damn near always even

[little ridge]

which I now have to click on

[junior latch]

the issue with permanent boosts is also completely shifting balance

[untold cypress]

gtfo feels grindy af already tbh, like especially when they started cycling thru tile maps and stuff

[little ridge]

to read another fantastic folgorating take of

[latent palm]

Other players creased your J's for having less hours

[junior latch]

people actually think dmr witz main dmg is balanced LOL

[normal lake]

your experience because your a new player will be exactly the same as a vet player because the vet player has nothing but playtime and game experience to help them

[little ridge]

Grind is a big word

[junior latch]

Which is an awesome system btw

[normal lake]

its so much better that way

[junior latch]

And i would disagree with gtfo being grindy

What is there to grind?

levels

[untold cypress]

so like

[junior latch]

but that is what you want to play

[normal lake]

was gonna get into drg but then saw the whole upgrade system and this and that and was like yeah im not doing that

[little ridge]

I mean you can get that right now

[glacial shard]

got Bark Half Life skin

[normal lake]

and just didnt play it

[last onyx]

КУ

[little ridge]

A new player doesn't have boosters piled up

[glacial shard]

only good brown skin?

[little ridge]

I do

[last onyx]

КТО ЗНАЕТ ПОЧЕМУ НЕ МОЖЕТ ДРУГ ПРИСОЕДНИТИСЯ?

[latent palm]

nyet

[normal lake]

your boosters are fuckin worthless if you dont use em

[little ridge]

You now remember the russian guy who posted his feet on gtfo-media

like twice

[latent palm]

same

[junior latch]

The game isnt balanced around boosters tho. And will never be since they are random

[normal lake]

mf is the living embodiment of ILL FUCKING DO IT AGAIN if he actually did it twice

[junior latch]

set buffs will need to be balanced around

[untold cypress]

i agree, like there isnt stuff to grind but for me it still feels grindy sometimes, maybe my point is a little different, guess the completion aspect feels less valuable when some levels are just tile map changes and "collect glp canisters / keycards"
but sometimes the levels are nuts, me and my buds had a lot of fun playing the one where you started with no ammo at the start. that was golden

[junior latch]

which would be ???

[little ridge]

yes of course but it'd still be that I've an advantage he doesn't have

[junior latch]

thats boosters being garbo

[little ridge]

Keep in mind that in both scenarios you could just "unequip the perk" or whatever

[junior latch]

and you can feel it in the community

[normal lake]

I agree that a lot of levels bleed together esspecially A and B tier, almost no reason to do an A or B tier map after you have done a few

[junior latch]

actual vets dont use boosters half as much as beginners

[little ridge]

That doesn't have anything to do with neither grinding nor booster?

[normal lake]

but once you get into C and lower the levels start getting more unique and interesting

[latent palm]

yep

imagine having perks

[untold cypress]

il retract my statement i guess

[junior latch]

No
Permanent stuff will need balance. Otherwise you permanently have broken stuff by the game

[latent palm]

like if you get hit you get 1x5 speed boost

lolol

[junior latch]

5% main dmg? Great dmr is SS tier now

[little ridge]

Grinding is doing something repetitive ad neauseam for relatively smallish rewards each time that pile up or a chance at an higher reward for a bit investiment of time

[normal lake]

honestly if this game adds a permanent reward system I am fuckin out

[untold cypress]

DRG is sorta similar tho, no matter what upgrades and stuff ppl get its still pretty beginner friendly

[latent palm]

10% Cfoam

[little ridge]

Well I mean people have those already?

Plus think about it the other way around

[junior latch]

Non permanent

Most people dont even use them

[little ridge]

No more 50% supply efficiency

[normal lake]

You cant jump into high difficulty maps and expect to win with a new account tho

[little ridge]

It'd also be easier to spot those who cheat by giving themselves -1% from the top roll shit

[junior latch]

yes boosters exist

[normal lake]

its a leveled game and skill can be compensated for by grinding for better gear or a higher level

[junior latch]

but you gotta see the difference between random disappearing stuff and set permanent stuff

[normal lake]

in gtfo you cannot compensate for skill by grinding unless you wanna spend several hours grinding a temporary buff that may not even help you in the end

[latent palm]

skill issues only

it aint a grind issues

[untold cypress]

i think in comparison to lots of other games that have progression based stuff like that then drg doesnt really seem like that to me

[little ridge]

There's no grinding in GTFO

[junior latch]

boosters are like checkpoints

you can use them

[untold cypress]

like you cant jump into a haz 5 yes, but that's cause you physically cannot cause the game has a quest thing for it

[junior latch]

but they mean fuck all for game balance

[little ridge]

There's maybe throwing yourself in the well of LFG pugs

[untold cypress]

it's like trying to play r7E1 immediately

[little ridge]

And hoping you dont get "which way is the gun supposed to get bullets out?" players

But I wouldn't qualify that as grinding

[glacial shard]

So R2C1 turns off the lights?

[junior latch]

No?

[little ridge]

I'd like people to stop comparing GTFO to DRG 😄

[normal lake]

but if you go back from haz 5 once its unlocked to haz 1 the game will be easier even if you never truly improve since your account has leveled up characters

[little ridge]

They've nothing in common besides being 4-players coop

Nothing

[normal lake]

its like the payday comparison

[glacial shard]

We drop deep into the earth?

[untold cypress]

that's 🧢, im not trying to start stuff but that's cap

[little ridge]

Also for the reason you said

[normal lake]

I literally just said earlier i couldnt enjoy drg because of its leveling system

if that same system or a similar style was added to gtfo id prob quit

[little ridge]

GTFO, with some exceptions, aside from vets dunking on levels, uses stealth a lot

DRG doesn't have anything like that

[untold cypress]

no matter how much stuff you have in DRG it still doesnt stop beginners from being bad, i can attest to this by being bad at drg :D

so like it's not so much of a problem

[little ridge]

I mean, does it?

[untold cypress]

it's not like in borderlands or something where you join a random lobby and see some level 72 person with an infinity pistol killing everything

[little ridge]

I didnt play it extensively but I remember everything before haz3 being a snoozefest

with haz4 being okay and not braindead

[normal lake]

But you never truly are stuck on a level due to lack of skill since you can always grind out more upgrades until the level is easy enough

[little ridge]

and haz5 being you getting downed in like 3-4 hits or whatever

GTFO doesn't have difficulty

[little ridge]

Well...

I had people with insane levels join my DRG lobbies

[normal lake]

cant do that in gtfo which is the reason i fucking love gtfo progression

beating a level feels satisfying because i know i improved to be able to beat a level

not because i got artificial points that improved for me

will never forget beating r7c3 the first time

hell r6c3 pe was such a fucking crazy level and beating it for the first time was satisfying as hell

[untold cypress]

i havent played with randoms yet but gtfo progression being skill based feels like it could get in the way of having ppl play together cause they havent played enough

im not a veteran by any means

but sometimes yall are scary

[normal lake]

this is a problem and its a normal one

generally tho a new player playing with vets will get up to speed pretty fuckin quick

that or they will be dropped from the group for "throwing"

[untold cypress]

oof

[untold cypress]

this is good at least

[untold cypress]

was that the one with the alarm at the start?

[normal lake]

its honestly crazy how much faster people pick up on the game when they are thrown to the wolves with some veterans

[normal lake]

Whole level is a error alarm

main objective is just survive

[untold cypress]

i think i remember that

that was fun af

never beat it tho

[normal lake]

failed multiple times on that level but beating it made the failures so much more worth it

[untold cypress]

that was me and my squad when we did the r6 levels after r6a1 (not the alt rundown)

r6b1 was a pain in the ass cause that was the first time we saw fog ever and it felt impossible

[normal lake]

did that have infect fog?

i genuinely never remember a or b tier maps lmfao

[untold cypress]

r6c1 was a wild adventure and i remember at the end the whole ||circle spiraly scan|| was so fkn hard we actually ended up staying up through the night till the sun rose up to beat that level LOL

[normal lake]

not even the ones i started the game on

[untold cypress]

yea that had infected fog in the level, i think it was a HSU mission?

o wait

[normal lake]

its crazy how experience changes a player

[untold cypress]

no b1 was data cubes, b2 was HSU i think

[normal lake]

that level was practically one of the first i had ever played this was original r6c1 several years ago

[untold cypress]

yea exactly i played that one too

that was insane

[normal lake]

so come up just a week or so ago we are doing that map

one of my buddies never played original

and my description before hand was "the end of this level is cringe" and then we literally didnt struggle

[muted cypress]

When people said theres no progression in this game

[untold cypress]

💀

[muted cypress]

Have you heard of the thing called skills?

[normal lake]

i remember that shit being so fucking difficult then redoing it after many years it was barely even a challenge

[untold cypress]

that's wild, i havent played the updated one yet, has it changed a lot?

[junior latch]

Personally getting better is different from ingame progression tho

[normal lake]

idk if it changed

[untold cypress]

yea bruh me and my friends would always, ALWAYS die at the last scan with the gigantic horde of enemies

[wispy bluff]

The ones you buy for 5 skill points to unlock poisonous c-foam?

[normal lake]

improving at a game and getting things from a game that make a game easier are very different

[untold cypress]

we were actually ecstatic when we did it 100% and cleared the rest (mostly ran away lol with no ammo)

and the final scan was just peaceful bliss

like "fk yea yall fkn did it"

[wispy bluff]

What level was that again?

[untold cypress]

r6c1

[wispy bluff]

Checks out

[untold cypress]

the ||spiral scan||

[normal lake]

yeah its just funny looking back on old days gone by and seeing how much i struggled with shit that nowadays doesnt even really get noticed by me

[untold cypress]

im not super good but im better than i used to be before, and i think i had more fun when i had no clue what was happening lol

[normal lake]

Nowadays i get that same fun just from harder levels

[untold cypress]

like maybe its just the shits and giggles of my friends being scared to death after seeing a snatcher for the first time in r7 💀

[normal lake]

as i said r6c3 pe was serious fun

[untold cypress]

yeee

[normal lake]

esspecially once we got a third person in

doing it as a duo was significantly less fun

[untold cypress]

rip

[normal lake]

||we fought 8 fucking tanks in that level on our winning run||

[untold cypress]

bruh naaaaahhhhhhh naaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

wtf

[wispy bluff]

On a side note i recently discovered that boosting your melee damage by 53% allows you to occi oneshot giants with a spear

[untold cypress]

baller

[normal lake]

yeah that level is designed to be finished quickly around 40 minutes max

our run dragged out to over 50 minutes

waves never stop

ahh the blind gtfo experience never fails

[untold cypress]

i think we could only make it thru that level until like 12 minutes left

we always ran out of ammo or something

[normal lake]

fast is the name of the game

we where done with overload and out past the main bulkhead before the timer hit 20 minutes

[untold cypress]

i think the map layout is ingrained in my head 💀

bruh wtf

how tf

[normal lake]

serious planning and teamwork

[untold cypress]

nuts

[normal lake]

we knew exactly what waves where coming

exactly when

where to mine doors

where to hold waves

[untold cypress]

meanwhile me and friend trying to duo + bots r5a3 and failing miserably

[normal lake]

the beginning of that level was that fucking burned into our minds

[wispy bluff]

a.k.a. the boring stuff

[normal lake]

we never resorted to a online strat tho, we came up with all our own plans and ways to tackle certain things

[untold cypress]

neat af

[normal lake]

i got damn good at killing tanks with a scattergun alone

way more practice then id like to admit

[untold cypress]

we're really bad at killing tanks and mothers

me and my group specifically

[normal lake]

learning tanks attack patterns and movements is forced on you by this fucking game

but moms you rarely encounter for the most part

ive had less unique encounters with moms then anything else in this game

[untold cypress]

we did this thing where we found a UI glitch that allowed us to play r7E1 early even if we hadn't done r7d1 yet, and we used that and checked it out, and it was just misery
||some way through, the game lets you choose whether you want a mother spawned on you or a tank cause of the two doors on either side, and mothers are just the worst||

[glacial shard]

do devs playtest the game?

[untold cypress]

good question lol

[glacial shard]

or just throw them our way and see how long it takes to beat them

You don't have to be good at something you make

see British people and football

[untold cypress]

oof roasted

[normal lake]

im more inclined to think they gave up on play testing a long time ago because some of these levels difficulty are so fucking lopsided it aint funny

fucking r3c1 as a perfect example

[glacial shard]

difficulty spike?

[untold cypress]

oh god alpha was bad

[normal lake]

that level is piss easy and then the end dicks you hard

[untold cypress]

i remember that yea

[normal lake]

honestly cut out everything before the ending error and the level might aswell not have gotten any easier

[untold cypress]

oh god

i remember now

you had to find the HSU right?

or am i buggin

[normal lake]

yeah

[untold cypress]

i do explicitly remember a level like this, where you go through the level and it's chill, until you see an error alarm, the next room had a hsu somewhere and ppl are chasing you

[normal lake]

that level either ends with you getting fucked by a surge alarm worth of chargers when you get to the extract scan or more likely having them forward spawn in the fog and beat yo ass like your drunk father

and your success rate entirely depends on which zone your hsu is in

one zone is significantly easier than the other

[untold cypress]

despite this difficulty idk if i am fond of that level or not

the rest of it was pretty chill

[normal lake]

i disliked it simply because the beginning was to easy

[untold cypress]

but its like conserving everything despite the simplicity

[mint light]

Not entirely, both zones are doable. one will just be a lot easier

[normal lake]

yeah your rate of success will depend on your luck with zoning

one is a lot easier

which is a bruh moment

[muted cypress]

Good example is R5C1 terminal uplink on 2nd

[untold cypress]

yep that one exactly

[mint light]

Yeah but not entirely as said in your previous message. it's not like it's insta wipe when hitting the bad zone

[glacial shard]

devs do have the face of people who never played their own game

[normal lake]

i mean it should be obvious based off "success rate" that its ofc not garunteed failure

either way i can live with rng zoning i just wish the beginning wasnt so much easier

[mint light]

Same goes with other levels tbh. R5C1 has good and bad uplinks for example.

[untold cypress]

its not that it makes the level bad it just makes it redundant

[mint light]

The beginning is indeed w3ak

[untold cypress]

also the only level to do until r3d1

[normal lake]

aint fun redoing something your half asleep during just so you can retry the thing after it

[mint light]

BUT it only takes 15 min

[normal lake]

kinda like having a map with a a-tier difficulty beginning and a d-tier difficulty ending

[mint light]

so it's not THAT bad

[normal lake]

still quite cringe

thats my only complaint with the level

the ending is pretty fun if not a bit linear

[untold cypress]

if the beginning was harder the ending would be inaccessible cause then it would practically be a d level

[mint light]

Nah we have way harder C levels

R4C3PE

[normal lake]

id rather have a consistently hard level than a inconsistent one

[untold cypress]

at least it's c3 and not c1 where you cant do d1

[untold cypress]

valid

[normal lake]

but djdna is correct the level really is just to short and straight forward to be a d tier

[mint light]

OG R5C1 sec

[untold cypress]

oof

i wouldnt know tbh, i only started on original r6

[normal lake]

wanna make that level interesting, just throw a error alarm on the entire map that only turns off with a terminal in the zone filled to the fucking brim with sleepers

then you get thrown right back into the rinser with the charger error

[glacial shard]

why do we get out of breath at 180 for just few seconds?

Athletes stay at that range for minutes

[wispy bluff]

Game mechanics, simple as

They needed ot counter kiting

[normal lake]

because your not a athlete

[wispy bluff]

Or at least... More accessible forms of it

[normal lake]

and your carrying a fuck ton of equipment

[muted cypress]

A lazy mechanic to curb kiting abuse

[mint light]

like C1's R4 and R5C1 are Def above R3C1

[muted cypress]

And still fails to do so

[untold cypress]

yea probably

[mint light]

I would put R5C1, R4C1 and R7C1 as top 3

[untold cypress]

oh my god r7c1

o no

[mint light]

then Meaby R3C1 or R6C1

[muted cypress]

R4C3?

[normal lake]

nah it fucking curb stomps kiting abuse, the difference in ability to kite pre stamina vs now is night and day

[mint light]

looking at C1's only

[mint light]

3rd behind R4 and R5

[untold cypress]

r7c1 was monster right? ||, the snatcher introduction?||

[mint light]

R6C1 is made a joke by 4 turrets tho. so probably R3C1 above it

[mint light]

yes

made very easy by staying calm

and pretty short

[untold cypress]

og r6c1 was so fkn hard, but maybe only back then

[mint light]

that's why 3rd

[glacial shard]

so it's balanced to have enemies running faster than us 3 times over but we out of breath in 30 seconds?

[untold cypress]

yea fair

[mint light]

I am talking bout OG R6C1

4 turrets ez gg

[normal lake]

if we are talking c1s and just c1s id easily put r7c1 as one of the hardest

[untold cypress]

damn wtf

[normal lake]

esspecially with bots

[mint light]

no challenge whatsoever

[untold cypress]

i swear our team had mad troubles with 4 turrets still

especially at the end

skill issue (self roast)

[mint light]

At the end you don't shoot one bullet if you do it right

[normal lake]

they really aint that fast and if you dont sprint or use melee attacks you wont lose breath so quickly

gotta use corners and shit to avoid getting hit

[mint light]

top 3 behind R5 and R4

[normal lake]

your running from a horde it shouldnt be easy

[glacial shard]

I feel like this game will hit me with difficulty wall at one point

and won't be able to get past

[wispy bluff]

Oh, absolutely

[mint light]

where you at?

[wispy bluff]

We helped them beat R1 yesterday

Its R2 time

[normal lake]

if your playing gtfo you are going to hit a difficulty wall

[glacial shard]

R2C1

[mint light]

where in R2

[normal lake]

and you will hit it hard

[wispy bluff]

R2C2 and R2E1 are major milestones, me thinks

[mint light]

and you letting yourself carried or relaxed?

[wispy bluff]

R3... Pretty much don't remember crap from that.
And then R4 arrives with dreaded

[glacial shard]

I am trying not to have a headache over people not taking it seriously

[untold cypress]

bruh rip

[glacial shard]

Saw a guy bunny hop around giants

[normal lake]

you wont have people taking levels seriously if you play with people more experienced then you

[wispy bluff]

That is genuinely the normal state of affairs when they are veterans

[mint light]

No I mean you on the Carry wagon or you playing with new peeps

[wispy bluff]

I guarantee you DJ over there does exactly the same

[glacial shard]

I am pulling my weight

[wispy bluff]

He might be reffering to Warp Gate Enjoyer. Maybe.

[glacial shard]

I also helped a guy do R1A1

[mint light]

R2D2/R2E1 is your wall then

[normal lake]

almost garuntee they know exactly what they are doing and its not them doing it because they aint taking it serious its because they could kill 3 of those giants while they are awake without getting hit while using melee

[mint light]

yeah but he is .......

[untold cypress]

i got stuck at r2d2 as well i think

[mint light]

when you know how to play ....

[wispy bluff]

I keep forgetting D2, yeah

[normal lake]

bhopping wont save you from desync reach

[wispy bluff]

Surprisingly rough for an early rundown with no optionals

Damn reactors

[mint light]

Pretty much this it's not malicious at some point you just know the game and you stop being "afraid"

[untold cypress]

r2d2 was really fun but i dont think my friends have the patience to do it

[normal lake]

honestly if i played with anyone nowadays people would think im throwing

i just genuinely do not care for hp unless i know i will need it

[wispy bluff]

I refuse to lose a single point of HP. Its a matter of principle.

[normal lake]

id rather save the 3 minutes on stealthing a level even if it cost me 80% or even full infection

I genuinely could care less

[mint light]

I am at 60% ! I need a hit of meds!!! - some new player 2023

[untold cypress]

me

[normal lake]

honestly if im not 20% hp im not playing seriously

[mint light]

welp

[untold cypress]

when the infection removes it all anyway :D

[normal lake]

or a bot just healed me and i proceeded to gun him down for wasting med

[mint light]

then they drop on R5E1 and they have a meltdown and think it is "impossible"

[normal lake]

honestly its a mixed bag but i should not be over 20% after 5 minutes in a level

[wispy bluff]

I always see how far i can get with 100%

Usually i just camp terminal while the 20% gang have their fun

Hey, don't need a medkit for myself then, am i right?

[mint light]

🧐

I see

[normal lake]

id do this but why should i waste 5 minutes saving hp when i know damn well i could do a class 5 alarm no hit so long as my team is decent enough to do the same

[wispy bluff]

I'm playing it safe. What was that one Sekiro NPC used to say? "A coin saved is a coin earned". That's how i see HP.

[normal lake]

usually sleepers dont target bots so thats like half the problem solved as a baseline

genuinely i have watched bots stand in hordes of enemies and just not get hit

literally flexing on my inability to do the same

[wispy bluff]

If only i had more regen cap boosters 😔

I love building myself into a tank

Was doing jack shit in R6D4 though...

Turns out regenerating to 50% is useless when you are drowning in enemies

[mint light]

Bruh they removed so many of em

[wispy bluff]

I genuinely didn't notice, that level was still hell

And from my short OG6 experience the first scan alarm is exactly the same

[mint light]

You overexagerating

[wispy bluff]

Even layout didn't change much

[normal lake]

ive also found being 20% health doesnt matter as most of my deaths are to bullshit like giants desyncing and hitting me from a mile away cutting me down to 20% or to the floor whether i like it or not

[mint light]

Only the last surge and T scan are changed

[wispy bluff]

The T scan is the one moving across a foggy room with a hole in the middle?

[mint light]

Last surge has no flyers anymore and T scan is now partial chargers instead of full chargers

[mint light]

yes

[wispy bluff]

It was all chargers to us

A BBC almost ended our run

[mint light]

Partial for us

[wispy bluff]

As for surge fliers...

I... Kinda see it as a buff honestly.

[normal lake]

should i worry more about r6d4 or r6d3 pe

aint got that far in the rundown

[wispy bluff]

I don't know, i'm just not scared of fliers.

Strikers are the worst creatures on earth right after chargers

[normal lake]

ive heard some shit about both

[mint light]

Also charger scout zones has less chargers sleeping. and mom zone is emptier

[wispy bluff]

My memory is foggy, but felt about the same

[mint light]

Spitter zone is nerfed in layout

[normal lake]

ah shit just mentioning charger scouts has me excited for later levels

[wispy bluff]

Granted i didn't get to see it much because we woke it up immediately and had to brute force it with some minez

[mint light]

feelings don't count

[mint light]

R6D4 is slightly watered down it was ez first try no checkpoints with 2 blind players

If you did OG you know what to do

[normal lake]

so expect atleast 3-4 retries for me

didnt do og kek

[wispy bluff]

Enter the zone
Hackable box right off the bat
WarpGate: "Anyone have a lockmelter?..."
"...nope..."
WarpGate: "Alright, then i better not fail this"
Fails it immediately

[normal lake]

and r6d3 pe?

[mint light]

@wispy bluff also extraction run is easier

altho gen is a bit further in.

dunno meaby it balances out

[mint light]

Haven't done Alt yet

on Alt I have done A1 and D4

that's it

[normal lake]

ahh fair

kek

2 very different levels

[mint light]

newborn takes a lot of time 😅

[normal lake]

i aint gonna say shit

i still aint finished r2

no room to talk

[mint light]

A1 was a quick solo while waiting for the group for D4

Next one will be D3PE

[normal lake]

doing the rundown in reverse

[mint light]

getting the most interesting out first

[normal lake]

im just hoping to get another experience like r6c3pe

was a bit memory heavy but once you start to get into the level that shit hits hard

[mint light]

hmmmm like exactly same objective wise.... not really

[normal lake]

just experience wise

[mint light]

But R6D4 and R6D3PE are fun nonetheless. they ask for some good teamwork

[normal lake]

a level completely in my skill range but is still really difficult to pull off blind

my favorite kind of level

[mint light]

D3PE is Def the hardest in R6.

[normal lake]

then ill save it for last

[mint light]

D4 you gon retry on the first part the most I think

And your first completion won't be checkpointless I think

[normal lake]

it all comes down to whether or not our failures feel like we got fucked over by bots

r7d1 we didnt do checkpointless because a bot refused to scan

we aint been using checkpoints so long as bots wanna participate

[mint light]

Hmmm will see if you got the will to reset completely

altho I can see a couple spots where bot shenanigans will f you

[normal lake]

did it on r6c3 for 6 hours straight so we will in fact see

that level was nice cus there was practically no spots where the bots could have been a pest

[mint light]

R6D4 has some scans sadly soooo 😅

[normal lake]

wonderful

people say they never have many issues

its every fucking team scan for me

if there are team scans a bot will not stand in it

im convinced it is law

[wispy bluff]

Had same happen to us

THe bot was standing a healthy meter out of the scan

"What? I'm scanning!" - that was my reading of his stance

[normal lake]

see i wouldnt mind but this shit is a regular occurance for me to the point im wondering if my client is fucked up or something

[latent palm]

Kek

[normal lake]

if a play session includes a level with a team scan, there will be a instance of this happening atleast once

[latent palm]

4th times the charm eh artek?

Now he will stop playing GTFO for next year

And come back when R8

[wispy bluff]

I genuinely only seen it happen like 3 times in my life, and i solo'd some levels with bots

[normal lake]

this will be me regardless of if i finish the rundown or not

[wispy bluff]

Appears to be happening when the level is badly optimised and game is lagging - probably causes some miscalculation in bot logic

[normal lake]

in one play session of r5 as a duo we encountered in on 4 seperate levels

literally quit play r5 because of that reason

[latent palm]

So hows it feels playing with bots or us?

Ngl at the error yesterday

[wispy bluff]

You're not modded by any chance?

[latent palm]

I forgor about the left door

[normal lake]

never once have installed mods and neither has my buddy

[mint light]

shame R5 has some good stuff and is the biggest challenge in this game

[normal lake]

ik turrets can cause it but it happens even with turrets not deployed

its to such a point that if im playing with bots i just expect to have to kick them mid alarm

[latent palm]

R5E1 will now not be hard cause error giants blooddoor is now snatcher

Instead of tank

[normal lake]

r5 was loaded with team scans and it was when we really started noticing it happening a lot

[latent palm]

So sad

[mint light]

I know. thos means I must install ANOTHER instance of GTFO to play pre and post nerf R5E1

[latent palm]

Yeah

Back that shit up I guess

[normal lake]

r6 has been significantly better and only has happened on c2 and d1

[latent palm]

Scan?

[mint light]

shame man.

[latent palm]

Im lost where you at rn

[normal lake]

yes team scans being broken

[latent palm]

Oh

That

[normal lake]

specifically with bots

[mint light]

Meaby later

[latent palm]

Well it still happens

[mint light]

you'll do it

[latent palm]

Its not the perfect run

[normal lake]

if i ever get a 4 man together for all of r5 ill prob do it

but more likely

gonna get better bots mod

[latent palm]

But it will after like 1-2 resets

[latent palm]

Nah bro

[normal lake]

im not doing that is the thing

[mint light]

you mean cheating

[latent palm]

Always

Do with ppl

[normal lake]

im not gonna reset because of broken ass game mechanics

[normal lake]

yes exactly what i mean

[mint light]

Just get 4 peeps

[latent palm]

Better bots is just a life saver when a teammate leaves the game lool

[mint light]

honestly

[normal lake]

im not going to bother wasting my time with broken bots

[latent palm]

True

Do lfgs tho

[normal lake]

i dont even care if they are stronger

[latent palm]

I know theyll be tons of peps helping u out

[normal lake]

if they got weaker but that bug was fixed id be fine with it

that bug alone completely ruins my mood for the game

[latent palm]

Lol

[normal lake]

id rather just play a different game

[latent palm]

Seeth and cope

Thats all ill say

[wispy bluff]

You don't really have much of a choice, me thinks

[latent palm]

Like i cant brute force some1 to play like i do

[wispy bluff]

Either you roll the dice on bots...
...or on randoms...
Or you get good enough to duo the whole thing.

[mint light]

You'll find 4 peeps. it's aight

[normal lake]

or mod the game

which is what we plan on doing

[latent palm]

So ummm hows the weather over dere

[normal lake]

the choice is pretty damn obvious

[mint light]

?

[normal lake]

if the devs wont fix it modders will

[latent palm]

Idk

[latent palm]

Yes out of the blue question

But i enjoy chatting with u some oblivious shite

[mint light]

Sunny

[latent palm]

Nice

[latent palm]

I mean

Do try to play the games intended path

Before you just go ham on mods

Thats all ill say really

[normal lake]

I have tried, im at the point where im not finishing levels because of bugs

[latent palm]

Mods like ping every where or ccter reborn

Is good to have

[normal lake]

i feel like im playing a new release bethesda game with some of these levels

[latent palm]

And I recommend having them

Makes your death scream at failed end tile more dramatic

[normal lake]

prob will only do better bots

[latent palm]

Nah bro

[normal lake]

would be nice to have a version of the mod that didnt buff them

[latent palm]

Thats pushing far than other QoL already

[latent palm]

I mean

Would they still be considered mod if they didn’t have aim bot on

Like

Every bot has aimbot

But the timer set on each setting

Is different

[normal lake]

Dont plan on running it until ive completed all the levels i would have willingly completed

[latent palm]

Nice

[normal lake]

then plan on doing maps i quit doing because bots not scanning

[latent palm]

And I’ll gladly help if u up for it

[normal lake]

no

[latent palm]

Bot only run?

[normal lake]

i got people i already play with

[latent palm]

Ye

[normal lake]

just getting a 4 man together is rare due to conflicting times

so rare that it might aswell never happen

[latent palm]

Me waking until 5am to get on a game with the guys

[normal lake]

whats your timezone

or better question

what time is it now

[latent palm]

SEA region

6pm

[normal lake]

6am here

lmfao

literally couldnt be farther apart

[sharp siren]

They shoot more often

Aimbot its almost the samw

[latent palm]

Well there is that

But

[sharp siren]

Yoj guys just want broken features

[latent palm]

They do shoot the ever livibg shit out of you as well

[normal lake]

Genuinely a mod that just makes bots not needed for team scans is all i want

[sharp siren]

They still die to sthe same stupid shit

[latent palm]

Idk bout you i dont do bots lol

Either duo to full squad lel

Now

Where is that Alt R6 video

Are you not planning to even do it BD?

[normal lake]

in there current state im literally never gonna finish half of r5

[sharp siren]

I will cancel it the more people say better bots its cheats

[normal lake]

losing to bots just not scanning is such cringe

[latent palm]

Lol

So

We all on the side of

Better bots = very QoL?

Or what cause im fallin behind here

[normal lake]

my understanding is it technically makes them more powerful than base game

[latent palm]

Cause if bots just phase through walls more

Then yes it will be broken AF

[latent palm]

Less dependent on how you play lol

I mean

You’re better off

Just doing zombie initiatives

Command them like topdown games

So if u suck they suck

[normal lake]

but does it fix the one problem i wanna fix

[latent palm]

It would if youre a mastermind

But

I guess you can do better bots

Its just bots wont do anything against tanks lol

[normal lake]

a stand here function would be fucking great

[latent palm]

Not even try to hide

[sharp siren]

No

Honestly i dont know how you got that many bugs to be honest

[normal lake]

this shit happens to me so regularly im pretty sure its just a mechanic

[sharp siren]

Maybe this would be a gilden oportunity

And record your steps

See what goes wrong

And maybe find the culprit

[royal ravine]

GUYS R1B2 HELP PLS

109775242920156325

[sharp siren]

I personally dont have it that often, pretty rare

[latent palm]

Skill issue bet

[sharp siren]

So that means

[latent palm]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

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[normal lake]

i aint got a clue what causes it

[sharp siren]

Your doing the thing thst triggers it

[latent palm]

Get lfg’d bithc

[normal lake]

tried changing host, tried not having turrets, tried having different amounts of bots

[sharp siren]

Record your steps

[normal lake]

just completely given up

[latent palm]

Which level?

I can look into it

[knotty bobcat]

I tried better bots
While alot of aspects is QoL
(Like the bot not killing themselves trying to revive you. And dropping objectives when enemies get close)

They do get obscenely powerful by becoming an actual aimbot. Hitting headshots with 100% accuracy

[sharp siren]

Those are not the things you should be looking for

[visual lily]

These are not the droids youre looking for

[latent palm]

Should I introduce you the the all new T-800

[sharp siren]

Like did you played another level before?, was it a fresh game start? , did you die on a teamscan while they where reviving you etc

[latent palm]

That comes with a arnold cosplay

[visual lily]

[latent palm]

Wrong movie lol

[visual lily]

I dont have terminator emotes

[latent palm]

[visual lily]

😦

[normal lake]

Levels i remember off top of my head are r7c2, r6c2, r6d1, r5b2, r5c2, r5c3 and anything else i dont remember exact levels

r7c2 very beginning of level was only instance

[latent palm]

R6 rn has a bit of issues with bots

[latent palm]

R7C2 forces you to fight

[normal lake]

only happened sometimes even with same sentry placement

no fucking clue

just refusal to stand in 2 of the scans randomly on that level

[latent palm]

So the bots didn’t get the memory reset after each actions

I think

You should kick em

And add them back in lel

[normal lake]

we are always micro managing bots

if we know there is a team scan ahead of time we just fucking boot them and do the alarm without them

[latent palm]

Awesome

Thats good

[normal lake]

had to do that for r6d1

[latent palm]

But did you think of

Putting them in

While you scan

[normal lake]

eh we did that in r6d1

didnt scan on the 4th scan so we kicked

after 4th scan finished readded bot

[latent palm]

@sharp siren scatter gun or sniper now

[normal lake]

didnt stand in 5th scan

[latent palm]

Destroyer of moms and tanks

[normal lake]

then we wiped

[sharp siren]

What

[latent palm]

Ouch

[latent palm]

Yr pick

[true pilot]

huh i bot soloed R6D1 several times and had no issue with bots

[latent palm]

Im just askin

[normal lake]

we had the same bug happen twice in the same alarm

[latent palm]

Ewww bat enjoyer

[burnt flume]

Doesn't sniper kinda suck against tanks

[latent palm]

[normal lake]

i dont even know what to say nowadays

[true pilot]

Ewww hater

[burnt flume]

If you're client and can get close then scattergun it is ig

[latent palm]

You tell me

I see both as a tool of destruction

[normal lake]

sniper is good if you can get behind the tank but it will never be scattergun

sniper will always be the shadow of scattergun when it comes to killing tanks

[latent palm]

A man after my own heart

Lovely

[latent palm]

[normal lake]

but yeah this is why we stopped doing r5 lmfao

it was basically every level

i dont remember doing d1 so i cannot confirm if it happened on that level

[sharp siren]

Sniper always

[normal lake]

its the weirdest shit to cus this didnt happen in r1, r2, or r3

[latent palm]

Nice

The pro gamer

[normal lake]

bro scattergun is my doom shotgun im never gonna turn it down

[latent palm]

Im gonna be the first to like comment and share ur vid BD

Cook that vid faster lool

[normal lake]

scattergun is the secondary version of my favorite main

[sharp siren]

No im stuck doing rhe gun balancing part

[latent palm]

In terms of “what if” or on paper?

[normal lake]

not sure i follow on the gun balancing

not that i ever would i never use half the fucking guns

[sharp siren]

Your missing out

[normal lake]

gonna be real most of the guns i dont use are the copy and pasted same full auto main

[patent flint]

💀

yes

we suck at this game

[normal lake]

Aight boys im tapping out its almost 7am and i gotta get some zzzs before i fucking keel over and die

[glacial shard]

survived R2C1

literally couldnt see anything cause of the fog

[wispy bluff]

That's the idea

[charred ember]

is that the uplink 3 terminal mission?

or just get the fog turbine and get out?

[true pilot]

C1 is triple uplink

B4 is turbine

[charred ember]

ah okie

[glacial shard]

1 hour and 7 minutes in R2C1

but survived

[true pilot]

an hour? Not bad

[charred ember]

i did that mission yesterday again with my friends

[glacial shard]

what's with status at the end?

[charred ember]

i kinda throwing cuz i messed up a scout kill at the end

[glacial shard]

got my mental stability at stable

[wispy bluff]

We have no idea

For all we know its random

[charred ember]

aside from infection and vital, everything else is cosmetic purpose

[wispy bluff]

My personal theory its a hidden accuracy / friednly fire indicator

But i have no evidence to back it up

Because i can beat the level while doing literally nothing and taking 0 damage and be "unstable"

but some 85% infection bonk-happy crazy vet is "stable"

[glacial shard]

so Stable might be accuracy?

[wispy bluff]

maybe

Again - we have 0 fucking idea

Unless devs come out and tell us - we can only speculate

But its probably just random flavour text

[glacial shard]

knife killed a scout at the start of the expedition

[wispy bluff]

Kinda like Inscryptions "bad play" counter was purely RNG

Actually let me rev up my D4 screen

Huh

I was the only stable one

Kaiser got hit with "unstable" and the rest are "unknown"

[glacial shard]

he is the furry

[wispy bluff]

I can't even begin to speculate

There was friendly fire all over the place

Nah, i have no idea.

It could be how many we fucked stealth... It could be sprint time... It could be amounts of kills... Anything and everything.

[glacial shard]

-horrible person
-mentally stable

[clear lagoon]

You either die a hero or you live until you become a villain

[wispy bluff]

Hey @hollow quarry - will we ever find out the secret behind "Stable / Unstable" ratings?

[glacial shard]

it shows who is the spy

aka French people

[wispy bluff]

Hm. From the screenshots i have saved i seem to reliably get "stable" or at the very least "unknown"

[charred ember]

rifle seem to be pretty decent

[latent palm]

R2E1 fog awaits you

[wispy bluff]

The one notable difference i can think of - is that i don't sprint unless i have to and i love terminals.
I'm incapable of rating the accuracy / kill counts, so i can't even begin to speculate there.

[mint light]

Uhm

please

[glacial shard]

we all know the French did [redacted] [Expunged] and [Memetic agent]

when should I start approaching scouts?

when noodles retract?

[sharp owl]

when deez

[true pilot]

preferably yes

But its not required

[glacial shard]

bots seem god damn invisible to scouts

[true pilot]

bots throw parties with scouts

[glacial shard]

saw Bishop bot be half a meter away from the scout

[true pilot]

they can take the scout on a date and it will not wake up

[little ridge]

to anything, really

[glacial shard]

R2C2 recommended equipment?

it's the first fucky wocky mission I seen, starting loud

[little ridge]

good melee 😎

[glacial shard]

I am going to put you to sleep

[little ridge]

jokes aside I've done it with vanilla bots, 1 bio bot, 2 burst sentries and I had mines

I wouldn't bring foam for any reason, really

funnel the waves, it's better

[glacial shard]

if I get a lobby I guess we gonna figure it out

[little ridge]

mines are for the blood doors but you can work around those too tbh

It's one of those maps that gets easier the more you know what to do and where to go beforehand

if you're with other people, remember that the waves by the error are always laughable and meleeable

also ||when you pick up last id, wave of giants spawn||

[glacial shard]

can I face stab aggressive sleepers?

[ivory sky]

yes

[little ridge]

no idea since i just bonk

[glacial shard]

which weapons got thermal scopes?

[true pilot]

PDW and precision rifle

[burnt flume]

Pdw, precision rifle

[glacial shard]

gonna go to R1A1 with bots

[thick epoch]

goodluck luna!

[glacial shard]

GTFO is the game that sends you to prison

[green wolf]

what good loadout for beginners?

[primal harness]

revolver , sniper

[glacial shard]

check media

[sharp owl]

no

[rose nova]

pretty much whatevs u wanna take, most automatics are really simple n some shottie are just,
well, shotties
but all of the guns in the game are usable and idk u might like semis more

[latent palm]

yo slendi

wana TFO?

[glacial shard]

• 1 hour game
• lost at 30 meters of exfill

[rose nova]

sure

[latent palm]

vc 22

[glacial shard]

any mod that makes the bots not shit the bed when I need them?

they got overwhelmed by 6 strikers

[rose nova]

better bots but is for
weaks

smkdmsk

ok no but it does add many functions to em

i just dont like it :3

[ionic pollen]

Haven't tried better bots but i kinda feel that learning to play with bots as they are is a part of playing with bots

[glacial shard]

they literally got slapped to death by 6 strikers

[ionic pollen]

Yeah it happens

[glacial shard]

how is that balanced?

bots need better accuracy

[ionic pollen]

I think they are plenty accurate

[rose nova]

tbh that happens with normal people too

[ionic pollen]

This

[rose nova]

i got down with 3 others for a big

[glacial shard]

they didn't manage to kill any of the strikers

[ionic pollen]

Also. Happens with people

[glacial shard]

game should stop making me die at the very end

[wispy bluff]

Maniacal laughter

[glacial shard]

we cleared most of the map

strikers spawned out of thin air

[wispy bluff]

small or big ones

[glacial shard]

small

[wispy bluff]

They can close a distance real quick

This is where the importance of wave-clearing weapons shows itself

Either machine guns or pump action

Pump action is mean when it comes to close range encounters with smalls

Aim for center mass from 3-4 meters tops and they get oneshoted

Doesn't apply to shooters unfortunately, but eh... A bullet from the main usually finishers the job.

[ionic pollen]

Plus like the game is aupposed to be very hard

[wispy bluff]

Levels like R2C2 are tests of two skills: ability to stay calm and killing smalls.
Got those 2 figured out? You're golden.
...
Until the smalls get a promotion.

[glacial shard]

But why make loud only missions for a game built on stealth?

sounds incredibly counterintuitive

[wispy bluff]

That's the thing: it isn't. Not necesserily.

[glacial shard]

like mercy options in Dishonored

got added last 15 minutes

[mint light]

alarm strikers, it is what it is

[mint light]

you still think this game is built for stealth huh? you gonna have a VERY bad time

[ionic pollen]

I feel the better you get the less it feels like a stealth game

[pine root]

This game being a stealth game

[analog flicker]

Stealth. Is an option.

[pine root]

Is the worst thing tbh

[mint light]

its not tho

[glacial shard]

then why make enemies beat us up in loud, loud only mechanics?

[pine root]

An hour long game of red light green light

[mint light]

they don't

[wispy bluff]

The "conventional" GTFO levels are 50/50 stealth and loud in forms of alarms, that is true.
But ultimately the goal of the game is to test the skills of the team. And every so often devs throw a curved ball... Like a mission that's just raw action.
AND it spices up the monotone of the average expedition.

On a good note: such levels are always notably shorter, so you can just having some casual fun for like 30 minutes and call it a day.

[glacial shard]

they do, guns don't even shoot straight for crying out loud

got arcade shooter spread

[pine root]

???????????

[mint light]

you don't shoot a room that has waken up

[wispy bluff]

Yeah, i have no idea either

[mint light]

you hammer em down

[wispy bluff]

Try Bullpup. Just don't hipfire it.

[glacial shard]

bullet spread doesn't exist irl at this degree

[mint light]

same for the error wave on R2C2, don't waste a bullet on it

hammer. ez gg

[pine root]

You should chat in gtfo lore

You seem like you would fit in there

[wispy bluff]

Hey, even we don't contest obvious game mechanics for the sake of game mechanics.

[glacial shard]

I can aim for the head and the gun misses cause hard for hard sake

[wispy bluff]

What gun and did you ADS'd it

[glacial shard]

Assault rifle

[pine root]

gUyS iT iSnT rEaLiCt.

[mint light]

damn this is the part where he ragequits the game. not even R2D2

[glacial shard]

guns should have laser accuracy ads'ed and point aiming

[wispy bluff]

Bullpup. Try it.

Its literally that.

It just slightly goes up as you burst.

[hidden path]

Rifle is also kind of a laser

[pine root]

Should there be a broken bone system. If someone dies to a mine should they just die

[glacial shard]

it ain't, it shits the bed in loud

[pine root]

Like how is this criticism

[wispy bluff]

It is, just a bad one

[analog flicker]

Bloom exists. But even then. Normal AR isn't one of those with bad recoil/bloom

[wispy bluff]

There is one gun that it applies to though - Precision Rifle.

[ionic pollen]

Bro i say this coming from a good place but you know it's just a game and you don't have to play it if you don't like it right?

[wispy bluff]

I fucking love when the thermal goes glitchy on me and i shoot doubles like i'm drunk.

[analog flicker]

Negligible until you rapid fire/full auto it tbh.

[wispy bluff]

Absolutely not.

[glacial shard]

we are past that point

I got to play

[wispy bluff]

The thermal goes () > ( ) and i might as well throw coins to guess where the actual target is.

[ionic pollen]

Somehow i do understand

[wispy bluff]

Unironically have to wait for it to unglitch or take my chances (i miss)

[analog flicker]

It's still better than real life thermal optics

[mint light]

for real tho. if R2C2 triggers you.. you will have a very very bad time later on. cause this comes back A LOT

with actual dangerous enemies

[glacial shard]

I think devs never played their game

[burnt flume]

it's important to remember that although there are stealth elements, you never actually have to stealth if you're good enough

it's just extra on the side and not really the main breadth of the game

[mint light]

so much this 👆

[burnt flume]

the main part of the game is not fucking dying and doing the objective, stealth is optional

[wispy bluff]

Cue in Warpman going apeshit on giants with scatter gun in R6D4.

[analog flicker]

R2C2 is the most tame Error level

[hidden path]

And remember, no level is impossible

[wispy bluff]

Its only like 2-3 giants, you can totally just stealth them... Nah, KABOOM and giant gets ripped in two.

[mint light]

leave him where he is please

[mint light]

depends

[hidden path]

Well we don't talk about R7D1

[glacial shard]

I just wished the game let me have the W if I am about to finish

[analog flicker]

[wispy bluff]

Its a fair wish... But it won't be granted.

There are some bullshit levels out there.

[mint light]

no no I was thinking 4, 3 2 man teams yes. solo: NO (not without cheating)

[glacial shard]

I have lost 3 times so far, all 1 hour long games

[wispy bluff]

Yep. That's GTFO for you.

Ain't experienced real GTFO without wiping on 1:20:00

[mint light]

R2c2 aint one of em tho

[hidden path]

That's the beauty of this game, it doesn't respect you at all. With enough time and experience you'll learn to overcome the disrespect

[wispy bluff]

Eh (waves hand)

[analog flicker]

looks at people's 5+ hour runs on levels with checkpoints

[mint light]

bruh

[pine root]

R2c2 is a 20 minute mission

[wispy bluff]

The final giant wave it throws at you out of nowhere caught a couple of LFG squads off-guard

[mint light]

yes

[pine root]

If it is taking an hour something has gone wrong

[wispy bluff]

They just get caught in a tight corner and pummeled

Seen it myself

[mint light]

they were not good enough