gtfo-chat

[wraith marsh]

because theres no reason to use it over carbine

[wispy bluff]

Can it single-burst a biter?

[hasty quarry]

who cares about burst rifle

[wraith marsh]

no, not even close

[wispy bluff]

The recoil limits its range too

So like... wtf

what's the point

[sharp siren]

weapon good

[wispy bluff]

Mindless blind spamming?

[hasty quarry]

fires bullets

good

[sharp siren]

unless your min maxing every single bullshit you do then its good

wanna have fun with this game

[wraith marsh]

its a good feeling weapon tbh

[sharp siren]

shoot weapon

dont think

[burnt flume]

it's the classic thing of - it's a good gun, but there's better

[wraith marsh]

but so is hel shotgun

😃

[wispy bluff]

It does feel fun, but i'm just... Sigh. I'm expecting them bigger damage numbers.

I'm too spoiled with L4D2 SCAR

[junior latch]

Good

[burnt flume]

I think you might be able to 1 burst strikers as client? if you hit 3 headshots

[hasty quarry]

pick sniper, click head

[sharp siren]

you can 1 burst as client

[wispy bluff]

Still praying for a Special Heavy Burst Rifle

[sharp siren]

would reliable do that

no

[burnt flume]

burst cannon sends its regards

[wispy bluff]

Not that kind of burst

Still hoping they buff that thing

It feels so ass to use

[burnt flume]

it's the recoil

[junior latch]

how

its legit just the recoil

anything else and its busted again

[wispy bluff]

✅ Recoil
✅ The annoying cooldown between burst (and i keep forgetting it has a wind up)
✅ Lame ass 95 damage, so every giant enemy requires a double take or main finisher

[wraith marsh]

lame ass 95 damage is

quite the statement

[junior latch]

The last one is legit the dmg…

[burnt flume]

even when it was 100 damage

it didn't 1 burst giants

[wispy bluff]

Part of why my R6C2 solo attempt failed, me thinks, was because it was so fucking horrible against the hybrid waves

[sharp siren]

damn artek

[wispy bluff]

While i was making the double take - i was being sprayed all over by the Hybrid Squad

[rose nova]

complainin about the dmg of one of the highest dmgs on all the game

[hasty quarry]

i saw hinoki do r6c2 solo recently

[wispy bluff]

I probably could've gotten a little further with sniper

[burnt flume]

hinoki my goat

[rough robin]

absolutely giga based

[junior latch]

btw grongus, how far ya in r6?

[rough robin]

beat bx/cx and c3 (main) by myself last night

so I have all the d's left

other than 1

[junior latch]

oh nice, my fav level is incoming then

[rough robin]

I tried d2

#gtfo-media message

didn't go great.

[hasty quarry]

copium

[junior latch]

Woah

[wispy bluff]

I don't know... BC is in this weird spot right now where if i want a giant killer - i have two other options that are both more fun and potentially far more practical / reliable. Especially of them. So what the fuck? Why would i ever want to INTENTIONALLY half-ass my giant kills?

[hasty quarry]

this is good eatin

[wispy bluff]

Maybe if it had twice the ammo so i could just keep spraying like it doesn't matter, but...

[livid gulch]

BBC is better

[rough robin]

unlimited spaghetti...

[sharp siren]

if it had twice the ammo it would be so broken lmao

[wispy bluff]

Probably

[spark vapor]

What are other two options?

[wispy bluff]

But it needs a selling point and right now i'm not seeing it

[burnt flume]

great eco vs giants and bosses

[hasty quarry]

sniper for sure and maybe hel rifle??

[wispy bluff]

Sniper Rifle (reliable oneshot on a headshot).
Scattergun (point blank 120+ damage - that's insta dead Giant Striker and a major chunk of Big Shooters and Hybrids)

[rough robin]

also most importantly c3 gave me Santonian Vestis so I am now dripped out

[hasty quarry]

ah yes scatter

[sharp siren]

I mean you say you got destroy by hybrid squad, i think its more about your positioning

rather than the gun itself

[muted cypress]

Perhaps bringing back burst cancel would help

[wispy bluff]

Its not only that

[muted cypress]

🤡

[burnt flume]

sniper rifle has 13 bullets, burst rifle has 13 bursts, yes a sniper shot dispatches giants better but you know

[wispy bluff]

Sniper just works better you know?

You just click the head once

[burnt flume]

they remove burst cancel but don't remove doorbug, like wtf

what message are they trying to send

[wispy bluff]

With burst you have to go through the whole "hold it on target" thing too

Especially with this disgusting recoil

[hasty quarry]

burst sentry pls!!!!!!!! WHYY

[junior latch]

You got the double robo legs yet?

[rough robin]

oh yes

[junior latch]

i love that one

[rough robin]

waiting for double robo hands

[junior latch]

truuuue

[burnt flume]

"hey, you know how cyberpunk 2077 just got a new update"
"yeah?"
"I think we should compete with them"

all the cybernetics

[junior latch]

? Huh

[muted cypress]

Robo torso when?

[hasty quarry]

playable female character when

[junior latch]

doorbug, smth players have to intentionally do to ruin the game for themselves. Pretty hard to pull off unless you watch peoples guides (and people still fail on it)

Burst cancel, unintended gun mechanic that breaks a gun to be EVEN more broken

hmmm

[spark vapor]

M, i want robo legs, but wasn't able to find any party for R6D3/D4
Also, i love sometimes to pick up MG XII and just spray&pray

[sharp siren]

she better be cute and have hair

all the boys are bald

[wispy bluff]

I don't know... I just can't find a good selling point to burst cannon at the moment aside from just being a hipster. Which is like my thing, but the gun is so uuuuuurgh to operate too while at it.

[rough robin]

give Woods hair

my only wish for r8

[livid gulch]

@doc- jk jk

[burnt flume]

I think hackett should get surfer dude hair

woods can have metalhead hair, dauda can have dreads

[hasty quarry]

male pattern alopecia hit hard

[burnt flume]

bishop keeps his baldness so he can look like a stereotypical older british bloke

[hasty quarry]

woods should have guile's hair

[wispy bluff]

Wouldn't it be funny if the final mask to unlock was just... No mask. Just naked face.

[hasty quarry]

ooh

but what about the fog

[wispy bluff]

Probably would reveal that they don't have a mouth animation or something, so probably not happening.

[hasty quarry]

also, what gun kills the most strikers in 1 clip

with 1 dmg booster i mean

is it dmr

[wispy bluff]

the what

clip?

you mean oneshot?

Then its, its DMR

[hasty quarry]

magazine

what's 2nd place

[wispy bluff]

any 3%+ DMG booster allows it to oneshot biters to the head

[hasty quarry]

is it helvolver

[wispy bluff]

Instead of just leaving them on literal last HP

[junior latch]

its hel shotgun

like bruh

dont include boosters

[hasty quarry]

oh shit....

[wispy bluff]

HEL Shotgun is pretty mean, yeah

[junior latch]

hel shotgun easily takes first

[sharp siren]

but the game its balance around them tho

[wispy bluff]

Although in theory

[junior latch]

Casually 28 kills with boosters in theory

[junior latch]

True

[hasty quarry]

but something actually usable and reliable

[junior latch]

dont think about boosters

[hasty quarry]

helvolver can kill 8 with 13% i think

[wispy bluff]

Mains only or special too?

[hasty quarry]

mains only

[junior latch]

double that with pen

anyway

[hasty quarry]

lololol

[junior latch]

if its a horde on you its hel shotgun

[hasty quarry]

i'm more curious about practicality rather than theoretical max

[wispy bluff]

That's a hard one

[wraith marsh]

its still hel shotgun

[junior latch]

if its not (and you ignore pen) then its dtr iirc

[wispy bluff]

But boosted DMR is pretty much there

[junior latch]

actually

its hel shotgun and dtr

both get 7 per mag with their max efficiency ignoring boosters (cringe) and pen

[wispy bluff]

Casually kill up to 14 enemies from a long range (i don't remember what its' mag actually was)

[wraith marsh]

dtr is much harder to get it with than hel shotgun, but yea

[hasty quarry]

is dtr another name for dmr

[wraith marsh]

no

[wispy bluff]

Double Tap Rifle

[wraith marsh]

double tap rifle

[hasty quarry]

oh

[wispy bluff]

DMR's quirkier sister

[hasty quarry]

isn't that a strict downgrade

[wraith marsh]

no, dtr is a pretty good weapon

[burnt flume]

if you have perfect accuracy, no

[junior latch]

DTR is just hard to use

[burnt flume]

it's kinda hard to use well though

[wispy bluff]

I should try using DTr more often, something about double burst speaks to me

[hasty quarry]

hm

[junior latch]

this is the line up for best

with boosters/pen

1. hel shotgun

With booster no pen
Hel shotgun (maybe a full auto if buffed enough )

No booster with pen
Hel shotgun

No booster no pen
DTR/hel shotgun

[hasty quarry]

so ur a hel shotty main

[wraith marsh]

balanced weapon

[wispy bluff]

No, its genuinelly just that insane of a weapon.

[junior latch]

its just hel shotgun being strong

[wraith marsh]

hel shotgun just has range issue

[wispy bluff]

In theory

[junior latch]

its stats are cracked af

the only issue is range rly

[wispy bluff]

Good luck getting reliable shots though when it sprays across half your screen

[spark vapor]

hel shotty feels fun to fire infront of hordes

[junior latch]

did ya know

The 2nd highest dmg a main does per magazine is carbine at 114

[rough robin]

real chads absolutely STACK main damage until the Rifle can oneshot HS

[wraith marsh]

you havent used it that much have you

[junior latch]

Hel shotty does 187. but you can potentially do double that with pen

[wispy bluff]

A bunch, in both R7 and uh R4?

But i use it as intended

[junior latch]

how much would that be? (Also would only tie )

[wraith marsh]

oh no

[wispy bluff]

Occasional smack into a horde to stop them from doing anything

Point blank i think i can get a reliable double-tap on a striker

[junior latch]

Skill issue

like actually

just move closer

[junior latch]

A double tap makes it the most efficient gun per mag, tied with DTR tho lol

[rough robin]

A chill +52% main damage

[junior latch]

oof

[rough robin]

technically achievable I think

[wraith marsh]

rifle hits the gym

[wispy bluff]

Yeah, which is fair considering how long that damn thing reloads.

[spark vapor]

@junior latchBut what to pick as special after hel shotty...

[junior latch]

Anyway most questions regarding stats on main guns is just

„ hel shotgun yes“

[wispy bluff]

Precision Rifle, High Cal, Revolver...

Something to compensate for range shortcomings

[hasty quarry]

that's sad

[rough robin]

hel shotty + sniper was my weird ass KDS Deep loadout for a 2-man

[wraith marsh]

personally I have not run anything besides high cal/hel rifle with it for a couple months

(high cal since r6 came out)

[hasty quarry]

i am a machine gun enjoyer

occasionally sniper

[junior latch]

1. combat shotty, battle cruiser loadout. Nothing close to you will survive. But fuck range
2. har/revo, balances out your range issue while also being mobile (short reload)
3. hel rifle/pr, „better“ range options but you gain less uptime (longer reloads)

Machine guns also work but fall kinda into 3

[rough robin]

HAR is probably my favorite hel shotty combo

[junior latch]

based

[wispy bluff]

Oh, HAR is great to combine with quirky mains like HELShot or Sawed Off

[rough robin]

if the enemy was small and farther than like...6ft from me all I could do is yell at it

[wraith marsh]

I love har but playing for pen is just too appetizing

[junior latch]

if R6 HAR would exist youd see me run hel shotty HAR so often

[wraith marsh]

imo pen is some of the funnest gunplay in this game

[wraith marsh]

same

[grim leaf]

yeah, love that gun

[wispy bluff]

I just want more bullets on it

and 149 is an ugly number

[hasty quarry]

didn't know there were so many HAR enjoyers

[rough robin]

149 when the gun mags are multiple of 30 is a fucking crime.

[wraith marsh]

were har enjoyers who never use it

[hasty quarry]

i used it when i was a noob

[wispy bluff]

Idea:

[wraith marsh]

I dont really see the issue with hars ammo that much tho

ppl never complain about arbalist ammo and it only gets 4 more bullets

[wispy bluff]

Swap shooting sound on HSMG and HAR

[hasty quarry]

machine gun outclass HAR imo

[wraith marsh]

its extra damage contributes basically nothing

[rough robin]

heavy smg's sound is so weird

[wispy bluff]

It much unfortunately does

[junior latch]

I havent rly used it (outside of repeated try outs) since R6

R7 til Alt R4 was a crime
Post R4 i still hate it

[rough robin]

why does the first round sound so chunky

[livid gulch]

hater

[rough robin]

it genuinely grates on my ears

[hasty quarry]

i used heavy smg for a while after buff

but came back to nerfed helvolver

[grim leaf]

I should try HAR

[hasty quarry]

its fun to use

[charred ember]

so happy that i managed to solo a c mission ;w;

[grim leaf]

koo

[wraith marsh]

people getting used to the new reload cancel is really funny

[hasty quarry]

it felt so bad

[junior latch]

Solo
Or „solo“

[wraith marsh]

the comments in lobbies make me laugh every time

[junior latch]

[hasty quarry]

what were they saying

[charred ember]

what?

[wraith marsh]

shit like if only I could reload

[grim leaf]

how do you reload cancel? I saw it in a youtube video, but idk if it was outdated or not

[hasty quarry]

lol

[wraith marsh]

just funny offhand comments on failing reload cancels

or repeatedly failing it and being punished

nothing serious

[charred ember]

u mean with bot or not? then yeah i do it with bot

[hasty quarry]

just swap after u see the number go up

[wraith marsh]

pretty much, your gun doesnt reload when the animation finishes

(or at least for pretty much every weapon it doesnt)

[junior latch]

(Still congrats btw!)

Just a thing in the community that grates since „solo with bots“ isnt solo. Its just „with bots“

[wraith marsh]

some guns its so early that it is well worth swapping off and back to it

in order to skip that "wasted" reload animation time

[charred ember]

i once again forgot the biotracker....but ig im fine

[grim leaf]

I know how to reload cancel on kf2 and drg

[wraith marsh]

most ppl do it by shoving to bring out their melee

[hasty quarry]

true solo vs solo (/w bots)

[junior latch]

true solo vs solo is so off hand tho

just say solo vs bots

[charred ember]

the hel rifle work super good!

it one shot small, shooter and i can even hipfire the thing, it crazy

[hasty quarry]

who knew guns can kill

[muted cypress]

When was the last time machine pistol received a buff btw

[hasty quarry]

would love that

[muted cypress]

Feels like its the most underused main in game rn

[junior latch]

Uhh

like alt r2?

[grim leaf]

arbalist or veruta? which is better? the description says veruta has more firerate right?

[junior latch]

both are good

[hasty quarry]

depends

[junior latch]

pick what you prefer

[grim leaf]

ok

[hasty quarry]

if ur killing giants/chargers, i would pick arb

[charred ember]

the ammo econ on Hel Rifle is pretty good...or at least i think so

[hasty quarry]

if ur killing shit load of smalls, i would go ver

[grim leaf]

ah ok

[wraith marsh]

verutas skill ceiling is higher, but yeah preference

[grizzled bison]

rundown 6

it has not been touched since

[junior latch]

Idk if beep is intentionally saying smth wrong or he doesnt know?

[grizzled bison]

alt r2 just readded it

it wasn't touched

[junior latch]

it was

base dmg up, prec multi down

Dont trust patch notes beep

[grizzled bison]

was it one of the unlisted changes

[junior latch]

We all know they are wack

yep

[grizzled bison]

how can i ever trust community calle

[pine root]

Sentry fire mode changed to always aim at sleepers

[junior latch]

i remember it because i had a discussion about its efficiency being wrong in the spreadsheet (they had it at old prec mult + new dmg

[junior latch]

Based

[grizzled bison]

didn't they add that so shotgun sentry could have an always shoot forward gimmick

[pine root]

Oh is that what is was shooting at before

Forward the scariest sleeper

[grizzled bison]

it was the only sentry where it didn't have it as false iirc

[pine root]

Yeah it was probably that I just always found it as a funny thing to write

[grizzled bison]

i severely underestimated how much ammo they gave to this fucking gun

[livid gulch]

shotgun sentry good if you can choke point the mob

[grizzled bison]

yeah but burst sentry does that better

[livid gulch]

more damage or just efficient?

[burnt flume]

shotgun sentry is funny yes but you literally get the same effect from a burst sentry

with the added bonus of range and more ammo

[grizzled bison]

why does the auto sentry have a 0.834 precision multi

what does this do for the sentry

[pine root]

So breaks head faster

So it makes sure you have less time to make use of the headshot on something that matters

[grizzled bison]

did you mean slower

[burnt flume]

Lower multi = longer for head to break, once head breaks we can assume the sentry will miss more, as it aims for the head

[grim leaf]

what is the main use for the different turrets?

[burnt flume]

From this we can infer that auto sentry will be fine if it deals 0 damage

[wispy bluff]

Thin out the waves so that you have less to fight with

Except HEL Auto Sentry which exist just to slow the horde down

[quartz cape]

burst and sniper kill, shotgun and auto sit around and look like they are shooting at things

[wispy bluff]

Unfortunately it runs out out of ammo immediately

[outer lantern]

Burst doodoo

[grizzled bison]

bluds think they're on the team

[burnt flume]

Burst sentry is good everywhere, murders smalls and chips bigs
Sniper kills stuff on long sightlines but is kinda slow, very cute though
Shotgun doesn't really do anything that burst can't do, funny to hold with it around a corner though

And auto sentry does not exist.

[wispy bluff]

actually i wonder...

[grizzled bison]

don't call the sniper sentry cute

[wispy bluff]

I had a very stupid idea just now

Auto sentry side-lining a foamed door, staggering attackers so that they break it slower

[pine root]

Beep you are a sniper sentry✨ cute✨

[grizzled bison]

artek did you beat c2

[burnt flume]

Would you rather that I call you cute instead

[wispy bluff]

Yes i did

[grizzled bison]

LET'S GO

[pine root]

No cheese?

[wispy bluff]

Had a little drama between a silent no mic vet and a moder

[quartz cape]

nightmare blunt rotation

[burnt flume]

What mods did they have

[grizzled bison]

socrates, plato, aristotle

artek do you wan to play c3

i can't play payday 3

[wispy bluff]

Coloured nickname and perfect boosters. That's about it.
...
Actually i think something was off about his guns. Carbine had a different scope on the preview icon - i even called it out because it caught my attention.
...
In the past in other levels he clearly had "stack / put resource back", but i don't think he used it in that run since i kept hunting for x4 ammopacks and kept finding x2 and it just occured to me that he DID NOT offered me to stack them together.

[burnt flume]

DropResource and custom guns, gross

[pine root]

Just a thermal scope on my carbine

[quartz cape]

DropResource and custom guns, based

[pine root]

Nothing game changing

[wispy bluff]

Yeah, it was ultimately a completely normal run

[pine root]

Any scuffed moments

[burnt flume]

Why do you need the thermal scope? Quickswaps with sniper?

[pine root]

3 downs

[wispy bluff]

I stacked some CPU speed on my sniper sentry (what i could scrap from my collection anyway) and was on hybrid duty.

[grizzled bison]

artek it hurts me feelings that you didn't reply to my offer

[wispy bluff]

Watching hybrids just pop in a single shot is... Feels off.

[grim leaf]

thx, and nice pfp

[wispy bluff]

I guess its a statement to how OP sniper is

[pine root]

He is to famous for you

[grizzled bison]

he's literally ghosting me

[pine root]

Dono walled

[rose nova]

literally shadowin

haha

[wispy bluff]

Didn't notice. Literally. Anyway: not now. Its 4:AM, my brain is melting.

[grizzled bison]

4:AM

[quartz cape]

perfect for a brain melting C3

[wispy bluff]

Also wait

I have C3 beaten alraedy, so i can't waste time on that anyway

[quartz cape]

how about a D1

[wispy bluff]

Only D2,3 and 4 left. After that dobby is free once again.

I'm not looking to either them.

[quartz cape]

how about a D2

[wispy bluff]

Cringe everywhere.

[unreal crystal]

whats wrong with d4

[wispy bluff]

And the fucking game doesn't even give any cool drip

Lame recolours, aaaaargh

[pine root]

The mom scream

The endless music

[wispy bluff]

Oh man

Checked the wiki

Its literally only helmets

Bruh

[unreal crystal]

it was so funny tho

[burnt flume]

The ruined immersion from somebody running to get data cube and killing everyone

[wispy bluff]

The only thing i have to loop up to is the Rundown Helmet

[pine root]

XD

[wispy bluff]

Gonna be great to unlock it, put it on and not launch the game again until R8

Smacks lips

[grim leaf]

after I beat all the run downs, ima keep playing

[vestal crystal]

Smacks lips

[grim leaf]

I'll play with new players to help them learn the game :D

that's what I did on drg for months

[torpid rose]

play og rundown instead

[grim leaf]

how do I play og rundowns?

[vestal crystal]

og rundown 4
Smacks lips

[pine root]

Redacted look it up redacted

[torpid rose]

if u find files u can just play them

[burnt flume]

I feel like you're taunting me

[torpid rose]

couple of yt vids

be quiet pachi

[burnt flume]

But it's a skill issue that it's still going

[torpid rose]

the only ppl thinking about you are the ones who know about r4e1 duo

[burnt flume]

The 1 viewer who knows I exist

[charred ember]

i think the only mission i can truly solo is some A tier mission

and some easy b tier

[sharp owl]

stack resources wont work unless host has it

[charred ember]

i still getting used to not having a biotrack when i true solo

[wispy bluff]

Oh? Hmmm.

I don't remember who was host back then.

Oh well.

[analog flicker]

Stack resources should work. It's just. If host has it iirc it should work on clients as well

[burnt flume]

Stop cheating with mods

[analog flicker]

But also it's not considered QoL so who cares

[analog flicker]

People can still use it outside of the server

[wraith marsh]

I love when I inherit hosts bhop mod

[charred ember]

i have no idea how ppl navigate darkness and foggy and fight so well in it even without a biotracker

[golden totem]

Sound

[burnt flume]

Practice

And experience

[analog flicker]

With enough experience. You learn to hear/see/feel what's in the darkness and fog

[golden totem]

And a little bit of chemical X

[wispy bluff]

Glowsticks... Fog Repellers... Flashing Long Range Flashlight around to remember the layout + see if anything will start lighting up and throbing in response.

[analog flicker]

What's scary about this for me. Is it made Darktides dark/fog modes a joke to me

[charred ember]

i wanna be like them

[burnt flume]

And maybe also some bio pings

[golden totem]

As a biotracker enthousiast I give callouts but relying on biotracker callouts for enemies that are asleep is only useful sometimes and not to be relied on

[sharp owl]

where do i ask ppl to play

[golden totem]

"Hey there are 5 enemeis clumped up" is worth calling out, 12 enemies 10m away at least spread across a room can be handled by the team without using bio

[charred ember]

yeah im practice not using biotracker

[wraith marsh]

go downstairs to lfg

[wispy bluff]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[wispy bluff]

Crap, i missed

[golden totem]

Close enough

[wispy bluff]

@sharp owl #gtfo-chat message

[charred ember]

in some mission its very scary

i heard the scout, but i have no idea if im safe from it cuz i cant see it

[golden totem]

You'll become more confident with practice

[charred ember]

i just know roughly where it is base on sound

[visual jungle]

what is r6x

[golden totem]

And just don't wander when it's seated, wait for it to walk so you can hear the walk

[visual jungle]

beta levels?

[golden totem]

And you can shine the flashlight on them, they don't react to it

[wispy bluff]

Ironically the opposite

[wraith marsh]

they put out their tentacles if you flashlight them enough

[wispy bluff]

They were "added later" levels of original Rundown 6

But now they come pre-packaged

X stands for EXtension

[grim leaf]

I've been training to do the same

[visual jungle]

o neat

[charred ember]

if i see their tentacle just nearly reach me, i can confidence take it out when it retract and walk

[golden totem]

R7B1 is good for practicing short holds and scouts, there are 2 class II doors with two singular scouts behind them in the 2nd room

[charred ember]

ig if ppl play enough gtfo they just have echo location or something

[golden totem]

Basically

[grim leaf]

I hear the clicks in my dreams -_-

[wraith marsh]

I mean

honestly yeah

you play enough you kinda just know

it makes it really awesome when enemy sounds get culled

[grim leaf]

reminds me of using sounds when playing L4D2, I know when a special infected is coming, and which one too

[rose nova]

cliclicliclicliiiiii :3

[grim leaf]

yep

[analog flicker]

Me playing drg hearing sound cues

[grim leaf]

ye I do that in drg too!

[limber tartan]

How to find people to play with who speak a certain language

[grim leaf]

what language?

[rose nova]

hello, u can check Highlighted Communities for different country servers
and u can always specify ur preferred language on your LFG posts if you wanna search for people on this server

[limber tartan]

Russia

[fickle salmon]

Does it normally take 7 hours to get through the first level?

[rose nova]

ummmmmmmmmmm

did u
played the tutorial

[fickle salmon]

lol yes

let me guess

you gotta sneak

[wraith marsh]

with bots or a team of 4 noobies

[rose nova]

... um yes

[fickle salmon]

lmao

thanks fam

[spark vapor]

On average it takes from 20 minutes to 3h

[rough robin]

seven hours?

[fickle salmon]

lmao

[rose nova]

most ive seen was 2 hours

but 7?

what

[spark vapor]

@rose novaSome strats that we are not aware of, ig

[wraith marsh]

you dont mean 1 run of the level right

you mean 7 hours of playtime

?

[fickle salmon]

my thumbs are killing me

SoS

[rose nova]

nono hold on

7 hours of attempts

right?

not like only one run 7 hours

[fickle salmon]

floor one

lmao

[wraith marsh]

did your clear screen say 7 hours

[rose nova]

no yeah but if it was 7 hours of just like dyin n tryin it again i get it way more

[wraith marsh]

that is what we are asking

[rose nova]

or was it only one run no deaths but 7 hours

[spark vapor]

Too many questions, too little answers....

[rose nova]

qwq

[fickle salmon]

I'm having fun

thanks for the strats

[rose nova]

well im glad ur havin fun at least

gtfo is fun

[livid gulch]

7hrs for an A1 level? surely there had to have been AFK time using up a lot of that time

[outer lantern]

Seven hours?????

Did you stop to take a shit or something???

My first clear of r1a1 which was my longest was not even a singular hour

[charred ember]

i found darkeva channel

[fringe badge]

Somebody for one game ?

[rose nova]

hello! u can check the LFG channels to share n join lobbies! the instructions are in https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/653623062964731920

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried, make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel
and if you are new be sure to do the tutorial first [Training] and start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one

[hexed timber]

Anyone wanna play together?

[rose nova]

hello! same as above ksks u can use LFG channels to share n join lobbies

[sharp siren]

Anyone wanna play?

[rose nova]

no we all hate u sorry

:3

[sharp siren]

You should block me

[grim leaf]

I'm off work :D ima play as soon as I get home

[rose nova]

no

[rose nova]

:D ey nice

[grim leaf]

idk if I will play with other players yet, I might be in vc with friends

they dont play GTFO u.u

yet

[rose nova]

yet >:3
wouldnt it b funny if gtfo just suddenly appeared in their libraries

[grim leaf]

I dont have that kind of money 😭

I would buy it for my gf, but she really doesn't wanna play it

[rose nova]

qwq ah sads

[glass wharf]

Who tryna play r2c2

[rose nova]

hello! u can check the LFG channels to share n join lobbies!
just some advice!
always ask to not be carried, make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel

[latent palm]

lol

[latent palm]

youre on phone rn

liar

[glass wharf]

It was bait

[grim leaf]

ur no master

[glass wharf]

But I do need carry I have no fucking clue what's going on on that level

[latent palm]

i will hunt you and your family down

[latent palm]

lmao he noob am i right?

[glass wharf]

What's the order btw for soloing giants with spear

Head arm arm leg leg?

[grim leaf]

noob baiter? I suppose, altho I'd hate to get baited by them

[latent palm]

head arm arm back

you still get to hit the back

try to hit to lower arm

not to the shoulders

[glass wharf]

Need to work on not getting slapped while doing that

The timing be kinda tight no homo

[latent palm]

its not

really

[glass wharf]

Idk man maybe not for sledge but I could eat a sandwich then go to the bathroom in the time it takes to charge the spear

[latent palm]

lol

thats why spear has alot of - to even bring

[glass wharf]

Slightly related

Is there literally any point to ever taking the bat

[latent palm]

@true pilot

bae

[rough robin]

whack fun

[latent palm]

theyre asking for you bat

[livid gulch]

[true pilot]

its a decent support weapon

like if you have 2 hammers, taking bat is not a bad idea

[rose nova]

bat

based

batsed

[latent palm]

stfu

[rose nova]

:[

[pine root]

To break door as a solo without mines with less stam

That is about it tho

[grim leaf]

I'm still new to the game, but I like using the bat, it apparently has a high stagger multiplier

[pine root]

But hammer has higher

Effective

[grim leaf]

and high object damage multiplier

[rough robin]

bat can oneshot locks and stunlock tinies

[grim leaf]

the hammer is slower to charge

[rough robin]

sledge can usually stunlock tinies but the slower swing sometimes gives them time to scream

[pine root]

Yeah hammer can do this

Bat can stun lock 4 hammer can do 3

[rough robin]

i've def had tinies scream while light spamming them w

[pine root]

If you are needing to do this

[rough robin]

with hammer

[latent palm]

i beg your pardon what?

[rose nova]

from bat, yes

bat is slightly faster

[pine root]

Slower to charge but your effective dmg on any point of the charger

Is better

What

[grim leaf]

I know bat is 1 second charge, or atleast from what I saw in a video, and hammer is longer

[rough robin]

bat is significantly faster

to charge

[pine root]

Yeah but this is a scaling value

[rough robin]

but you have less leeway with actually killing

[rose nova]

bat does have less dmg

thats an entirely different thing

[grim leaf]

I still need to try knife

[rose nova]

knoife :3

stab stab

[pine root]

no it isn’t these things are related

What

[rose nova]

i mean, charge up time... dmg...
idk

but well

whatevs

[pine root]

If you take 1.7 second to go from 2-17 and 1.7 to go from 3-20

The 3 20 has more dmg

At any given point

Even if you make the 2-17 1.4 secs 3 20 has more dmg

Cause you are scaling less from min max

[glacial shard]

I have slept, time to gtfo some more

[latent palm]

real?

join me

[glacial shard]

let me eat first

[latent palm]

kek

[glacial shard]

plus I like hosting

[latent palm]

me no host me no game

[glacial shard]

where and when do I stab for full damage?

[rough robin]

the brain

[latent palm]

london style

[glacial shard]

"Get londonded bitch" Me in second game

[rough robin]

give them the Birmingham Special

[glacial shard]

The British Hospitality

enemies don't see with eyes no?

so camo doesn't matter

[sharp owl]

HELP

ANYONE DID R6BX YET?

[pine root]

No it is unclearable

[sharp owl]

oh

its broken?

no wonder,,

[pine root]

What is wrong

[sharp owl]

er

[pine root]

No it isn’t broken

[sharp owl]

im at phase 2 of starting up the

emergency power thing

[pine root]

Yeah

[sharp owl]

its not letting me progress

[pine root]

What do you mean

[sharp owl]

the shadows keep coming

the terminals arent letting me run the command for the 2nd phase

[pine root]

You need to go to the other terminal

[sharp owl]

where is the other terminal

theres 2

?

[pine root]

Ping it

[rose nova]

yes

ones a bit hidden in a corner

entering the zone for the first time, u go up the ladder to the second floor

and then to the right

theres a hallway with some dead sleepers and a downstairs

[sharp owl]

THANK YOU

my god

WHY DO THEY DO THIS

😭

[pine root]

XD

[sharp owl]

literally fought the shadows for 30 mins trying to figure out why we couldnt start the 2nd one

[pine root]

Welp

Hope you have some ammo

[sharp owl]

the bots are empty

me and my friend only have 25% left

[pine root]

Well you got this on the next go around at least

[sharp owl]

💀

i dont wanna run this again i swear

there better be more ammo in the checkpoint

im gonna be pissed

nope

we are dead

survival alarm

💀

fuck this

[pine root]

XD

[sharp owl]

yeaaaah

whoever designed the map is a genius though

really made me cry

[rough robin]

bx is a great level

[sharp owl]

terrible

i am going to find whoever designed it and strangle them

[grim leaf]

damn, this carbine slaps

[charred ember]

WHY GTFO bot is so dumb

[rose nova]

they do what they can qwq

[rose nova]

this carbine got hands

or bullets

[grim leaf]

also, im liking the HAR

[glacial shard]

game really destroyed my sense of confidence

easy 3 missions and boom, difficulty wall

how in the hell am I supposed to survive 8 whole waves (if lucky I don't reset a wave) as my 4th mission ever?

[timber tinsel]

"Scanner's got something."
-Bishop, 1 inch from a sleeper's face

[glacial shard]

on break

[timber tinsel]

If you're using Matchmaking, that might be why. I think matchmaking only worked at launch, but I doubt it's ever been active since with the wide scope of missions~

[grim leaf]

sorry, drank too much, shouldnt play rn

[timber tinsel]

Everyone uses the lfg channels to find players~! Post a level there! along with room code (or dm it) and the vc.

[glacial shard]

based on ammo reserves. Should I give bots Assault Rifle/Veruta MG?

[timber tinsel]

I can never get bots to shoot anything, so I have no idea~

[pastel swallow]

anyone new wanting to play? we're (my friend and i) grinding tonight so :D

[earnest forge]

They posted this #lfg-beginners message

I suggest that you contact them in dm, since they will not be using Discord anyway

[glacial shard]

how do I tell bots where to put down a sentry?

[earnest forge]

Using the "Q" key by default, on a qwerty keyboard

[sharp siren]

Read my steam guide

Shameless plug

Educate yo self

[earnest forge]

And don't forget to like and subscribe

[glacial shard]

so I need help with R1C1

Professor Scaler said to bring sniper turrets and mid to long range guns

[sharp siren]

Get people

Your problem its not the guide

The problem its that your most likely playing with 3 bots 🙂

#how-to-matchmake #lfg-north-america

[high ruin]

Guys does ADSing with shotguns focus the spread?

[wraith marsh]

no

[sharp siren]

No

[high ruin]

yeah I kind of figured

[timber tinsel]

#BotsAreEvil

You could jump to other rundowns and go into those A missions and climb up! If you want to keep working with bots. For the most part, A missions all feel like starting levels

[glacial shard]

so A1?

ah I can start R2A1?

[timber tinsel]

Yee~!

[glacial shard]

bring sniper turrets?

or burst?

[sharp siren]

Theyre not evil its just people are stupid

😔

[sharp siren]

Burst

[normal lake]

sniper has caveats and takes a bit more intelligent placement but as far as im aware it can pump out more damage if you use biotracker with it. Burst even with the most braindead placement is solid and generally speaking is a better pick

iirc sniper sentry got nerfed a bit back altho i honestly dunno anymore

cant go wrong with burst

[normal lake]

Okay i see the situation better, yeah id def run burst sentry for this level, and if you have bots its really just a game of preperation before hand but having even 1 more person will make the level dramatically easier as gathering supplies can be done while someone does reactor codes

[timber tinsel]

They're evil! Sometimes I can't tell whose side they're playing for!!

[glacial shard]

they are just Milsim fans and hate PID

[normal lake]

You have one hell of a way of describing bots

[sharp siren]

Nah r1c1 its sniper sentry heaven

1 shot 1 kill

[normal lake]

Yeah i can see why

one shot one kill

[sharp siren]

Perma tag and your good

[normal lake]

long path to take

I aint exactly sure on sniper tool efficiency but me personally id just run burst

[sharp siren]

Its literally 100% efficient on smalls

And its great against giants

Its like sniper but without the busted pres

[analog flicker]

[normal lake]

moreso refering to how quickly it runs out of its res comparative to a burst

[analog flicker]

Hel Auto > Other sentries

[sharp siren]

🙏

[normal lake]

based

For me ive always prefered burst on the simple fact it at the very least feels like it uses tool slower

but i aint used shotgun or sniper sentry in so long idek nowadays

[sharp siren]

Sniper last longer

Due to slow firerate

But thats good since it conserves tool and you get guarantee kills and chonky damage

[normal lake]

I like sniper for giants but man it never felt like it lasted longer to me

guess ill have to look more into it later

[sharp siren]

It last like a class 5 alarm

On a decent size room

Even more than that

[normal lake]

i remember hearing about shotgun buff and running it

and just watching it tear through tool like nothing

which was funny

but last time i ran sniper i just remember my friend saying "hey guys watch this" fucking places the sniper sentry on the ground behind a scout and to my disbelief kills it

[gentle anvil]

some times it works somtimes it doesnt ive woken one up a time or 2 that way

but its funny when it does work

[normal lake]

yeah honestly i was just like wtf

[sharp siren]

Depending on the angle it misses the head

[normal lake]

still tho not very useful but very funny

i didnt even think it was possible at the time so i thought my man was just throwing

[gentle anvil]

thought it was funnier my friend placing a mine down with the line facign up and she walked on it and went boom

i still to this day dont know how that worked

[rough robin]

have you ever seen the Meet the Engineer video?

very useful lesson. use more gun

[normal lake]

yeah and it turned out he didnt expect it to work either so mf just risked our run on a meme

the best kind of risk

[gentle anvil]

better when everone is at 20% and has hammers only with like 3% on a tool

[normal lake]

r7c3 type beat

[gentle anvil]

that mission drove me and my buddies insane

we kept getting to the end and messing up

[normal lake]

its to this day my favorite map in the whole game

[glacial shard]

R2A1 wiped out my squad

[gentle anvil]

oh ?

[normal lake]

Figure out why you wiped, think about ways you could prevent that from happening again and come out a better player

[gentle anvil]

it shouldnt ahve unless yall are new or being funny

[junior latch]

Sniper sentry kills scout to the body tho?
Unless you mean missing and aggroing

[gentle anvil]

but yes it does com down to tools/weapons brought

[latent palm]

oooouch

[gentle anvil]

i mean u hav to learn somehow

[normal lake]

Just being real here the game is designed around learning through failure

[gentle anvil]

cant bring uber powered weapons with lil ammo unless u plan to make every shot hit

[normal lake]

only way to improve is to learn from mistakes

[gentle anvil]

and cant all bring tools that dont really do much and expect to win either

subs right you have to figure out your winning combo and learn from there

[junior latch]

well, tbf you can beat any level bar R6D1 without the use of tools n guns (it will just become a lot harder for a lot of them)

[gentle anvil]

and th older runs dont have save points so u fight tooth and nail or u lose

[latent palm]

EVA POV: literally bhops to the finish line before me

[normal lake]

Spent over 5 hours on r6c3 pe because me and my friend insisted on doing the level blind and figuring out best strategy

[gentle anvil]

oh i neever said u couldnt i just said its harder and thy sound newer to th game

[rough robin]

Me stocking up on spears to pull a Captain Ahab on the leviathan

[normal lake]

apparently out only problem in our strategy was just needing a 3rd player lmfao

[junior latch]

ah sry didnt see the new guy

[junior latch]

if it cound actually stab it that would be so funny

[gentle anvil]

yea if i recall right he mentioed h only did 4 or 5 runs

[junior latch]

Spear hidden skill: can stab kraken

[normal lake]

me and the boys running knife on reactor just so we can melee waves easier

[latent palm]

you throw it at that mf

[rough robin]

literally

chuck that mf and somehow resupply it from an ammopack

[gentle anvil]

personally i prefer the old hammer cause that was all we had for a while

[normal lake]

i love the idea of melee being limited and you need weapon repair kits to maintain them forcing you to go guns blazing at times

[rough robin]

i feel like i've said this 100 times but if GTFO had a hardcore mode enemies being able to disarm you and you had to find something else laying around the complex to fight with, would be interesting

[gentle anvil]

i wish u could take ammo or tools from downed/dead team mates

[normal lake]

would be quite goofy

[junior latch]

That would lead to a lot of teamkilling

[normal lake]

teamkilling meta on bots then removing them from game

then other players joining

[gentle anvil]

i mean if it had a hard core mode with ppl

that would makes sense to me

i mean dont ppl sometimes do that already ?

[normal lake]

you would start with more tool and ammo just by killing bots at start of game then trading em out for humans

[normal lake]

oh i tk all the fucking time just for memes

"LONG LIVE THE KING"

[gentle anvil]

ha

[timber tinsel]

@glacial shard You can do it~!

[gentle anvil]

yup i was gonna offer to help but they seem to have another lobby going so wish em well in the dark

[normal lake]

id offer but even with as trash at the game as i am id carry without forcing myself to not engage

just a difference of game knowledge

[gentle anvil]

i mean u could sit and just only help once everyon is down to prevent a wipe but nothing more

i did tht to teach a few ppl

that wahy thy dont have to restart but can try again

[normal lake]

still a carry in my eyes, wiping is part of the experience

[gentle anvil]

altho some timesppl find that annoying

[normal lake]

if i act as a safety net to prevent it then its a carry

[gentle anvil]

true depnds on how u view it

but bots in the first few lvls are kinda a saftey net anyway

[normal lake]

im good enough at my point to be able to clutch pretty terrible situations

still tho it feels like a carry if i play with a new player no matter how i view it

unless i intentionally let runs fail

[normal lake]

yeah for the most part but it wont save you if you wake every room and take a lot of uneccessary damage

[gentle anvil]

yea like i said depends on if they just want to se the map and exp th guns but yea i can see that

[normal lake]

bots are stupid and revive with shit attacking them so once bots are 20% they aint a safety net anymore for the most part

[gentle anvil]

well u do have to tak care of them

[normal lake]

i could just play like a bot

thanks jared you have given me a revelation

[gentle anvil]

and dont be overly foolish with them but i use emfor pack mules

i mean as long as u have fun right?

make sur eu shot the perso in the butt with shot gun like my bots do 😛

[normal lake]

I dont think its possible to play worse than a bot unless you are trying to lose

and even then its pretty close

[gentle anvil]

i was so annoyed when i got sniped by my own bot

he shot me with a pump shot gun was hilarious

and ofc he goes i got you ya ya

[sharp siren]

What

[normal lake]

bots dont get weapons that do more than 5% damage

for this exact reason

[gentle anvil]

i mean i was at 80% then down to 50 and it was me and the bots in a locked room waiting for them to come thru

[normal lake]

bro if a bot did something like that id just fucking gun them down and leave them on the ground to die

only good bot is a dead bot

[gentle anvil]

ha i did one time

that was before i started giving them revolvers and assalt rifles

i used to go assult/bull pup and pump shotty

but after get wacked by probly 2 of them

and said no more shotgun for u

[normal lake]

they get a full auto main and a machine gun

[gentle anvil]

i had a door c-foamed and mined waiting for thm to bust thru and they just let rip

[normal lake]

they dont deserve single shot weapons

[gentle anvil]

thru th door

and into my back

ha that makes for a good stagger team with lil chacne of them killing you

[timber tinsel]

I had a bot trying to shoot through a foamed door and he shot the mine I placed on it, downing himself~

[gentle anvil]

they got me a few times that way to

now i stand way back and let the bots meat shield ha

[rough robin]

most intelligent bot

[gentle anvil]

which of the 3 is your favorite bot ?

[supple pond]

whats your favorite snack?

[junior latch]

Did you not mean sniper sentry?

[gentle anvil]

prsonally the red one doesnt hurt my eyes as much as th green some times

[junior latch]

Thought ya were talking about it

[sharp siren]

Im tweaking

Forget about it

[junior latch]

[sharp siren]

I forgot they buff it to 48

Damage

Took me a long time to remember

I should have the stats on my.phone!

[glacial shard]

can sniper sentry miss?

served me well in alt R1C1

[true pilot]

sniper sentry can miss if the enemy its shooting at dies

[glacial shard]

ahh

so 99% accuracy

[glacial shard]

posted in gtfo media my loadout

[sharp owl]

looks good

[latent palm]

"looks good"

[latent palm]

come play

now

[sharp owl]

in the middle of a dota match

[latent palm]

fuck dota

GTFO for life

[sharp owl]

if i didnt have an abandon from last week id join ya

[glacial shard]

Good cat

[sharp owl]

ty

[glacial shard]

I seen Assault Rifle/H Assault Rifle are good recoil

but need to squeeze the trigger like a baby

[sharp owl]

you'll get used to it

like a a CS gun

@latent palmwhere u at

[latent palm]

off

you took too long

[sharp owl]

rip

[ocean hearth]

yo whats the class S alarm again? i forgot

[glacial shard]

playing R1C2 I dont even know what I am looking for

I also am in need of imediate hand

[steel ocean]

oh I have no mic but I can join

[glacial shard]

join me

[steel ocean]

how

[glacial shard]

code in #lfg-western-europe

[steel ocean]

code not working

[glacial shard]

whoever is droping in

[raw shard]

Big purple team scan, around 2 minutes long

Smaller ones are like 15 seconds or so

[glacial shard]

spent 1 hour on a game

got wiped out on the way to extract

[hazy ravine]

is picking buckland throwing?

[glacial shard]

I lost everything

1 hour of work

[junior latch]

1. which one?
2. as seen above, dont use „buckland“ say the descriptor (shotgun, choke mod etc)
3. no, none of them are bad at all

[junior latch]

Well, go agane

[charred ember]

buckland is a niche gun

i usually pair it with my dmr

[glacial shard]

why does Scaler never recommend guns?

"Oh yeah we gonna need a scanner and 2 turrets"

[junior latch]

WHICH ONE

[charred ember]

it just name shotgun

[glacial shard]

I need recommendations for R1C2

[junior latch]

He only does it very rarely when gun choice is a big impact, like r6d1, since in most cases guns dont matter as much as tools.
Guns are also easier to understand than tools

Scaler also wont do a weapon tierlist/ranking since he doesnt want people to follow his word as gospel (iirc)

[glacial shard]

guns, tools

[junior latch]

Thats not a niche gun thats an all rounder

[junior latch]

3 bots?

[glacial shard]

probably human lobby

[charred ember]

i thoughts niche mean nice

im not good at english sorry

[junior latch]

Ah dw

It means thats something is only useable in specific scenarios

which dont happen often

or arent super important

Most of the time

[charred ember]

oh!

[junior latch]

like sniper is a niche gun

Its niche being killing bigs and somewhat bosses

[glacial shard]

I need guns for R1C2

[charred ember]

what the characteristic of r1c2

[glacial shard]

get 10 partial decoders, Chargers get introduced and giants are common

[junior latch]

Tools:

Bio tracker (duh)
The other 3 kind of depend. Burst sentry is the safe choice but doesnt do too much. Shotgun sentry and sniper need far better understanding for placement tho in r1c2

Mines do decent work aswell, cfoam is kinda niche but CAN be used with a cheese (not recommended)

[charred ember]

if theres alot of giants consider bringing the Sniper Rifle or Scattergun

[glacial shard]

I found 2 giant sleepers next to each other like 6 times

[charred ember]

if not then bring Hel Rifle

[junior latch]

Guns:
Mostly anything goes, but since you mostly wanna deal with giants/chargers id recommend high cal, hel rifle or choke mod

Combat shotgun is always goated to defend the team if needed

[charred ember]

Hel Rifle one shot charger...i think

[junior latch]

If bots, just give them
Burst rifle + veruta machine gun

[glacial shard]

why?

[charred ember]

yep yep, bot does exceptionally well with those 2

[glacial shard]

why tho?

[charred ember]

Bot does not have the concept of range

[junior latch]

those guns work best with bots

[charred ember]

so if u give them a shotgun they will try to snipe some sleeper with a shotgun

[glacial shard]

burst assault rifle under normal assault rifle?

[charred ember]

if u give them a sniper rifle and shotgun, they will likely waste ammo, shoot ur teammate or even urself

[junior latch]

Burst rifle

That name exactly

[glacial shard]

there is also a 2 shot burst rifle

[junior latch]

No

Thats the „Double Tap Rifle“

[charred ember]

bot in gtfo doesnt have great aim, no concept of range, waste ammo and will shoot u if u in their way so take that into account when choosing guns for bots

[charred ember]

that is double tap rifle. An alt version of the DMR

[median cedar]

i thought bots had aimbot ong

[junior latch]

they kinda do

[hazy ravine]

buckland sbs III sawed off

[wispy bluff]

Bots aim is hard to measure, but for the most part they do hit their targets

Except for when they dont

Which is why we give them medium range high ammo spammers

[median cedar]

i didnt even know you could tell em to do stuff till today

[wispy bluff]

Cue in that one Jontron bit: "Don't worry if you don't get them on the first shot - take as many tries as you need"

[glacial shard]

found out a new comman

[peak frost]

can a shotgun kill a charger scout in 1 shot?

[glacial shard]

putting -t after an item it will get pinged until you pick it up

can probably find PD like that

[little ridge]

pump shotty can if back multiplier

From relatively close of course

I'm pretty sure Combat can if you 2tap the back

No idea if chokemod spam can from the front but let's say yes

[junior latch]

It will stop once you leave terminal

just start the ping, press esc to exit the terminal (stay near tho) and look around

if far away check which room it is in via the terminal ping

[little ridge]

Want to know a secret about r1c2?

[glacial shard]

yeah

[little ridge]

||query both keys, one is either in 98 or 99, skip whichever one of the two which doesn't have the key and clear all the others, you always need to do at least 3 out 4 of those zones||

||the other key, the one that's neither in 98 or 99 opens a zone with only giants and pds, and that's probably easier than having to do the alarm for 100 with 3 possible enemy entry points||