gtfo-chat

[pine root]

are doing mid maxing wrong

[raw shard]

he doesn't know

[pine root]

unfo

[livid gulch]

you

[raw shard]

shhh

[sharp siren]

I WILL GET MY ANIMATION

Of door foam

[sharp owl]

Myess

[pine root]

it will better my quaility of life

[sharp siren]

Ye siiirrr

[pine root]

by one blob

[glass wharf]

Just make refoaming impossible

Boom

Fixed

[sharp siren]

We fix.door health mechanic then

[normal lake]

A furry with the nickname shoot the woke was not what i expected today in a public server

[raw shard]

Max mines 8 -> 5

[wraith marsh]

we already have that

[raw shard]

baller change

[wraith marsh]

its called a bug

[sharp owl]

All i know bout foam is find the nearest forbidden place

[gusty burrow]

Diminishing returns on C-foam

[sharp siren]

Yep

[pine root]

would it be easy to make perma foam not a thing

[sharp siren]

And or also a random.hit to the actual door health

So its separate

[raw shard]

probably

[normal lake]

Literally dont remember ever using tool on someone using mines because 90% of the time we forgor we even have it unless we see a blood door

[sharp siren]

But it adds right? @gusty burrow

Its not separate

It adds to the health of the door itself

[normal lake]

mines where banger on r6c3

[gusty burrow]

Yeah myb I mean they should make it dimishing returns

[normal lake]

literally such a banger tool for that level

[raw shard]

Foam is also just very strong because mines exist

[sharp siren]

I just forgor

[livid gulch]

using mines on tanks

[glass wharf]

Not spawning more waves is probably worse actually

Ah shucks guys they cfoamed the door we can't run at them anymore

Pack up and go home

[rough robin]

my favorite thing in this gmae is mining tanks

[outer lantern]

Mines OP

[normal lake]

if im correct r6c3 waves just build up together

[outer lantern]

I love clearing entire waves with one tool

[raw shard]

I think overtime enemies should just be able to start hitting the door faster

[rough robin]

if door health wasn't a constant it would prob be a bit more balanced

[raw shard]

if they've been stuck there

[rough robin]

one enemy should take forever to break a door down, and spawn-capped should be much faster

[normal lake]

mining tanks is pretty fun but its also just really fun to blast those mfs normally

[glass wharf]

Which begs the question

How many angry sleepers will it take to crash the game

[normal lake]

would also be cool to see chargers break doors faster and inversely invis break them slower

[glass wharf]

🤔

[raw shard]

Have you ever woken the moms on R4E1 Extreme

[normal lake]

but thats a lot of coding work for doors which still barely function

[raw shard]

Cause you can find out

[livid gulch]

this is the closest you can get yeah

[raw shard]

You could stack up moms on R5C2 Extreme reactor lol

Since they never push

[sharp owl]

Somehow my garbo pc didn't combust when I went for it

[normal lake]

honestly during r6c3 i was fucking hoping one of the waves would be a mom

would have made that level way more intense

[raw shard]

It's weird that pmom isn't in R6 honestly

[normal lake]

had to fight 8 tanks so i got very comfortable fighting tanks but a mom would have been a curveball

[raw shard]

How long were you there holy shit

[normal lake]

our winning run was 50 minutes long

we where doing the level blind past the checkpoint so we had to hunt down the secondary cells

no real clue where they where

[raw shard]

Query Cell_XXX

[normal lake]

didnt use the checkpoint either cus we somehow survived

we knew which zone

and how to ping

but we did things in a weird order

[raw shard]

I mean you got the clear so what does it matter lol ¯_(ツ)_/¯

gj

[normal lake]

we intended to just use the checkpoint to learn the map layout but one thing led to another and we ended up finishing the map

after wasting 6 minutes just walking around

i asked in chat if the waves stop cus we didnt get a wave for a full minute after 30 minutes passed

yeah tanks dont stop

a mom would have wiped us tho literally

would have been such a fucking suprise

[sharp owl]

Kinda a bummer no surprise mom

Could have added shadows n chargers

[normal lake]

end of timer if there was a mom or pmom as a wave that would have been fucking awesome

[sharp owl]

N snatchers

[sharp siren]

This game really need to use active moms a lot more

[latent palm]

man stfu

[raw shard]

Mom error Mom error Mom error

[sharp siren]

Shes always sleeping half the time

[latent palm]

why mom error

[sharp owl]

Mean 😭

[sharp siren]

Fun

[normal lake]

mommies are fuckin terrifying when woke thats why

[raw shard]

Cause when she's sleeping she fucking dies instantly

[latent palm]

maybe

[livid gulch]

should call your mother

[sharp siren]

Shes the best area denial tlenemy in the game

But nope

Tank everywhere

[sharp owl]

R7d2 mom side shows why active moms are nice

[sharp siren]

Tank aint shit

[latent palm]

active moms in your area

call now

[normal lake]

tanks aint even a challenge after you fight 2 or 3

[latent palm]

i mean

[sharp siren]

Fr fr mom got me acting up

[latent palm]

Tank

[normal lake]

but a fuckin momma who shat out 30 children to hunt you down while your in the middle of a error

would be wild

[livid gulch]

scattergun also just melts tanks

[latent palm]

is a enemy that is focused on heavy pushing of enemies

[rough robin]

KDS Deep moment

[sharp siren]

Scattergun melts*

[raw shard]

Scattergun melts anything lol

[latent palm]

while a mom is its own type of threat

[rough robin]

scattergun is absolutely fucked ngl

[livid gulch]

oh yeah

[latent palm]

i mean

[sharp owl]

Scattergun when client

[rough robin]

true

[latent palm]

whats worse a pack+ tank or a pack plus mom?

[normal lake]

scattergun is my fucking super shotgun from doom

[rough robin]

my buddy uses it and just deletes tanks like they're trash enemies

[normal lake]

actual banger weapon

[raw shard]

I wish tank was less passive

[normal lake]

4 hits or something like that if your good at aiming

[raw shard]

bro is so boring

[sharp owl]

+mom

Forces you to kill her asap

[latent palm]

looks at you and send out same day shipping licks

[latent palm]

so why would you want

[normal lake]

#gtfo-media message i want them to move like this more

[latent palm]

a elusive enemy

[sharp owl]

Its fun

[latent palm]

to be in an error

[normal lake]

mf was sprinting

[latent palm]

yeah fun

[raw shard]

I mean they do in some modded rundowns and they're way more fun

[sharp owl]

It is

[latent palm]

till you run out of stamina

[rough robin]

tanks being passive plays to their strengths

esp on levels like r4e1

[latent palm]

but the mom being the only thign that spawns from error

[raw shard]

The strengths being time wasters because they sit in a corner

[rough robin]

yes

exactly

[normal lake]

fighting a tank alone is rough but if they where aggressive like strikers they would be significantly harder

[raw shard]

Cool, fun game design

lmao

[latent palm]

lmao

tanks share the same mechanics

if u dont look at em

[rough robin]

literally half of their difficulty on r4e1 is them being pussies

[latent palm]

they run at you

[normal lake]

when they are passive all you gotta do is get behind them and you win

[sharp owl]

Make moms do melee dmg for a change

[latent palm]

ew

thats just gross

[raw shard]

Yeah, if he actually pressured anyone he would be more challenging

[normal lake]

now imagine if they fuckin moved around like beyblades

[latent palm]

like a slam attac lol

[raw shard]

and wouldn't get stuck

[normal lake]

way harder to attack them, they get more melee attacks in, and they make corner peeking less viable of a strat

[sharp siren]

Minibosses are design to be with other enemies around them, but the map makers use them as an actual.boss wich is not how you use them

Its a bit contrarian on how they use boss enemies

[latent palm]

ye

i mean

[sharp owl]

That's why you play your own game

[normal lake]

pmom should be alone imo

[latent palm]

in certain situations

[normal lake]

but normal mom and tanks should most certainly not be alone

[latent palm]

it was always alone lol

[raw shard]

Yeah but even if they're with a wave, you can just bait the wave round a corner and kill it first

[latent palm]

R4E1 ending has that

[normal lake]

yeah which is perfect

[latent palm]

but no other enemies

[sharp siren]

Pmom its just a normal mom

Nut with faster cd

[latent palm]

but hotter

[sharp siren]

And more babies

[latent palm]

NUT?!

[sharp owl]

Nut

[normal lake]

big mom more hp and more children

[latent palm]

[raw shard]

and worse hitboxes

[sharp siren]

Her hp mean shit to sniper

😭😭

[normal lake]

that and i dont think she is ever asleep when you encounter her right

may be wrong on that

[sharp siren]

R7e1

[latent palm]

more tumors more fun

[latent palm]

R7E1

[normal lake]

ahh the level i quit playing because bots

yeah gotcha

[latent palm]

sneak thruough her and 3 more moms

[sharp owl]

R7d2 r7e1 only sleeping pmoms

[normal lake]

r7d2?

[sharp siren]

Yep

[sharp owl]

Mom side

[latent palm]

so its a adult sleep over which you dont wana wake up

[sharp siren]

You picked left side

[normal lake]

oh

[sharp siren]

Its mom side

[normal lake]

i never went mom side lmfao

[latent palm]

ye

[raw shard]

I've never been mom side so I actually didn't know that either lmao

[normal lake]

damn there is a pmom in there

[sharp siren]

Yiu gotta be a chad

Open all doors

[latent palm]

cause why would u want another wave spawner lol

[sharp owl]

Its more fun than tank side

[normal lake]

always went tank side cus easier to stealth the tank side

wanna do r7d2 but open all doors

[sharp siren]

Open all doors an experience the beatiful design enemy variety that compensate eachother

So good

[latent palm]

till everyone dies and 3 tanks wakes up along with the tank spawn

[normal lake]

we expereinced that dont worry

[latent palm]

fr fr

[normal lake]

i literally said "dont go up here and shoot you will wake up the tank

not even 2 minutes later i hear a tank wake up

was actually pissed off

[sharp owl]

Starts spawning max cap enemies gives the lvl more spice

[latent palm]

i too love the experience of being mauled by 69420 enemies while getting kidnapped by a snatcher

[normal lake]

kek atleast you dont got bots following your corpse through a crowd of giants

[latent palm]

sometimes

bots take the backrooms

instead of the catwalk

and those are the most game breaking moments ever that saves u a reset

[sharp owl]

Bot goin to Narnia to save a run

[sharp siren]

Bot walking trough walls its a blessing

[latent palm]

fr fr

[normal lake]

also incredibly funny

[latent palm]

literally phase through tanks

[normal lake]

fucking watching a bot moon walk in through the ceiling is glorious

[latent palm]

atleast

gtfo bot level

arent RoN bot level

thank god

[normal lake]

kek

still dont mean they are good

[tough hedge]

@shy radish
Achieved R6D1!
Thank you for your help

[outer lantern]

Naisu

[tough hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/donquixote-doflamingo-dancing-one-piece-gif-25098104

[outer lantern]

Embed fail

[pastel swallow]

how do u make a vc

[thick temple]

you join an empty one and get the invite link for it
#how-to-matchmake if you haven't checked it already

[sacred briar]

the back rooms

[latent palm]

@merry sluice

wana get strapped with me and my 24 rockets behind this chair and blows up in speed in some R6 levels?

[merry sluice]

Sadly going to sleep its 3 am I am so tired

Have a good night/morning where ever you are though! Godspeed

[latent palm]

aight man

[humble grotto]

hey, everybody, i am new at the game, can i play with someones party?

[coarse grail]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[coarse grail]

If you haven't done the TRAINING mission do that first

[humble grotto]

finished few mission

[coarse grail]

Neat, I'd browse #lfg-beginners for a game, or post your own in there using the guidelines in #how-to-matchmake then

[humble grotto]

ok, my fail to post heer

[coarse grail]

np. btw you'll get more traction on your search if you link to a voice channel and wait in there for people to join you in your post

[humble grotto]

thank you!

[junior latch]

Some Steam forum opinions man

[little ridge]

go on tell I need a good laugh

[junior latch]

Levels are balanced around boosters/boosters are required

So using a mod that keeps your boosters and perfects them isnt cheating but qol

[muted cypress]

Perfect boosters does walk a fine line between QoL and cheating

[junior latch]

Honestly? No

[little ridge]

I've no idea what perfect boosters does

[junior latch]

i think its cheating

[little ridge]

does it basically make all the boosters perfect rolls?

[junior latch]

Max power boosters that dont dissappear iirc

[sharp owl]

you keep your boosters with the best value possible

[muted cypress]

I agree

[little ridge]

Yeah it's cheating either way

[muted cypress]

But many still consider it to be a QoL

[little ridge]

To be fair

I'd also consider anything that cheats on the probabilities cheating

[junior latch]

Some people consider straight cheats qol

COUGH BETTER BOTS

[little ridge]

like using logs to know the codes beforehand...

(no hate)

[junior latch]

i mean i dont use it for standard gameplay

[little ridge]

But all the time I read the explanation of it just helping the chances because you could try over and over until you get the right ones

[junior latch]

speedruns work differently to normal gameplay

[little ridge]

is kind of the same

[little ridge]

ah yes for sure, it's a PvE game so whatever you have fun with

[sharp owl]

cant think of a world where people would think this isnt cheating

[little ridge]

Believe me eva, I still use them from time to time since IDGAF and I did all maps legit

But for fuck's sake they mincemeat alarms

It's like playing with 3 idiots who happen to use aimbot

and dont get infected nor can wake shit up

and phase through walls

[junior latch]

Oh no, i mean we have categories that allow actual major exploits

it just works differently than normal gameplay

[lethal geyser]

@charred jackal on R1C1 during the long startup of reactor i would lag so hard that i would be deadweight

enemies would lag so hard i cant see

[little ridge]

I kind of admire you guys dedication towards making a competition out of something that's not designed to be one, and I'm not being sarcastic

[sharp siren]

those are fighting words

[muted cypress]

All vanilla bots need is a tweak to how they interact with enemies at close range

[junior latch]

Cant tell me they arent cheating as how they currently work

i dont mean the bug fixes they do but the aim bot

[high ruin]

just nerf the aimbot and they're fine

[muted cypress]

Better bots is just straight up walking sentries in disguise

[little ridge]

to be fair this is a good point but the problem is how much

Now is definitively too much

[junior latch]

Speedrun community be fun tbh
When i found a new glitch for below zero recently some of em were estatic

[little ridge]

I feel that they should just be like vanilla aim-wise

dont know if that's possible

[high ruin]

version 0.0.3 was the main one for quite a while and they still shot better than vanilla, but nothing like current version.

I think that version's aim was solid

[little ridge]

You see ghostglitch I think it also depends over what you want to make out of them

[high ruin]

I mean honestly 0.0.3 might as well be vanilla aiming cause it was implemented to stop the broken melee logic

[sharp siren]

that version was literally them not using melee at all

like

literally

[little ridge]

if you want bots to make it possible for a player solo to finish all maps without funky stuff like door glitching then it's one thing

[sharp siren]

they would straight up just shoot absolutetly everything

[little ridge]

if you want it to be able to fullfill some spots in a duo that's another thing entirely

[sharp siren]

i woudlnt say that was the most solid of the version kekw

[little ridge]

When the game will be more or less dead eventually I guess everyone would be okay with using whatever version of bots as along as they can finish maps and shit

[high ruin]

I mean honestly i'm glad we have the qol stuff like heavy object carry now but I can't deny the current aim is cracked.

[sharp siren]

wachu mean the game its dead

[high ruin]

Barring the aim, the current version for sure is the best.

[junior latch]

For a second i thought you meant heavy object sprint with that

and was about to hit ya with the

[sharp siren]

lmao

[junior latch]

[high ruin]

don't do it

ah

[little ridge]

"When the game will be more or less dead" as in when probably most people will stop playing and filling a group would be an issue

[sharp siren]

nah the mod fixes the issue of them not carrying items during loud sections bug

and makes it better by making the bot drop the item if theres too many enemies around

[little ridge]

I swear they could back in the days when they got first added

[sharp siren]

thats why i said

its a bug

[high ruin]

They could in R6

[sharp siren]

its suppose to work

it broke in alt r2

[junior latch]

Yup thats a legit fix

[sharp siren]

it fixes a lot of other stuff

but i already mention it

previously

the aimbot seems better due the fact that they actually shoot more

instead of trying to "save ammo" and melee

[junior latch]

BD whats your opinion on boosters being required to clear stuff/levels being balanced around boosters

And what do you think about still being forced to do the funny tierlists with me once R8 drops

[sharp siren]

the aim its slightly better than vanilla yes

[little ridge]

There's also something bizzarre with the way they take so little damage tbh

Maybe it's because I think enemies tend to target player

[sharp siren]

but overall its the fact that they just shoot more due to how they use guns more often

[little ridge]

But I remember one of them taking no damage in the entirety of r3b1 "wake up all rooms and no tools" run I did without doing anything other than stagger and kite around

[sharp siren]

didnt you say you wanted to do it in after this release

i mean its better to do it for r8 but i told you im down if we both have time

[high ruin]

Black Dragon. Legit question:

[sharp siren]

yes sir

[high ruin]

Are you making an alt r6 review?

[junior latch]

Nah R8

[sharp siren]

working on it slowly

[junior latch]

wanna try to make it like a „podcast“ stream

[high ruin]

🥹

[sharp siren]

just got some footage

background footage

[junior latch]

getting a profile pic for everyone who joins (4 max)

and then have footage stuff rdy

[sharp siren]

and thinking on what im about to say

[high ruin]

I hope this convo is mentioned regarding my dumbass takes

[sharp siren]

wih dumbass takes

cannot be worst than subtonix

drama ⏰

nah im kidding

i hate drama, i like to talk shit tho

[high ruin]

nah im being full dumb

[junior latch]

What time zone you again?

[sharp siren]

eastern

[junior latch]

eastern ?

[sharp siren]

gmt 4 i think

kekw

[little ridge]

despite all the typos I think he means eastern us

[sharp siren]

dam sleepo got me blocked

atleast hes nice and got clicks on show message every single time!

[little ridge]

how do you know?

[sharp siren]

i cant react to your stupid messages

I dont really know why i got blocked tho

[little ridge]

When you're part of the conversation it's not like I've a choice

[high ruin]

Guys can we be real though: CX finale is still balls

[vestal crystal]

BLACK DRAGON L MOMENTR

[high ruin]

actually kind of hard

[vestal crystal]

im not blocked

😎

[sharp siren]

blocks me but then responds to me

what a moron

[little ridge]

fuck you

[sharp siren]

good

[sharp siren]

i was gonna put a

[junior latch]

If its eastern US then it would be middle of the day for ya somewhere

[sharp siren]

but that comment feels like a badger alt

badger badger its that you!

[vestal crystal]

osama bin laden of gtfo....

[little ridge]

Does fucking badger pay the rent in your empty head?

[sharp siren]

hes a legend to me

[wispy bluff]

Can someone explain to me who is badger and what did he do. I'm curious.

[little ridge]

For fucks sake you can be an annoying little piece of shit

[sharp siren]

nothing but respect for my guy

[junior latch]

Btw, regarding the boosters being required thing

[little ridge]

go get fucked

[junior latch]

You know its bad when badger and me have the same opinion towards someone

[sharp siren]

BUT WHAT DID I DO TO YOU LMAO

I DONT EVEN TALK TO YOU PERSONALLY

LMAO

[muted cypress]

Steam forums might give you an idea

[little ridge]

He called someone something bad for being Vietnamese or whatever

got banned for racism because anyone can be an asshole about anyone fucking else but mention race or nationality and it's suddenly an hate crime

[coarse grail]

[little ridge]

Incidentally I never saw captain alpha again on this server

[burnt flume]

Fireworks here today, huh

[vestal crystal]

[sharp siren]

yep

the big ones

too

[wispy bluff]

That's it? Lame. I thought he harassed developers about their game not being polished enough to the point they just nuked him for being a nuisance.

[high ruin]

Once I was having trouble trying to solo a level and asked badger a question. He told me to kms so............

[muted cypress]

Tbf those are just a drop in the bucket

[gusty burrow]

Hey guys, lets keep it civil and on-topic (GTFO is the topic, not GTFO player dirty laundry)

[wispy bluff]

A colourful fella, huh.

[vestal crystal]

captainalpha is still here

[high ruin]

That didn't actually happen. Please. It's not true. I'm not slandering. Joke ppl.

[junior latch]

it is only a drop in the actual bucket artek and @little ridge

[wispy bluff]

GTFO discord deepest lore

[high ruin]

Artek what is your pfp?

[sharp siren]

who

[wispy bluff]

My custom graxx Rhino from Warframe

[high ruin]

I was about to say the only thing it looks like I can think of is warframe.

[junior latch]

Steam discussion

Someone commented that boosters are required and levels are balanced around boosters so perfect boosters is just QOL

[sharp siren]

a friend its introducing me to warframe

[sharp siren]

classic steam discussion

[wispy bluff]

Lmao

[sharp siren]

i see it every now and then

[junior latch]

always entertaining

Mostly always yikes

[sharp siren]

i just give clown awards

[high ruin]

There was a period of my life where I played way too much of that.

It's still most hours for me in steam

but gtfo might overtake soon

[gusty burrow]

Do the steam discussion people have bad takes? The reddit is dead and my need to educate is strong

[junior latch]

Gotta speedrun more

that gets you hours

[wispy bluff]

You don't educate anyone on steam forums

[junior latch]

Yes

Very bad

[vestal kernel]

they always do

[junior latch]

theres also some straight haters on there

[vestal kernel]

that is steam forums in a nutshell

[wispy bluff]

Unless the OP is good faith right of the bat or asking a genuine question

[high ruin]

Trying to beat Bread's pixel-perfect death to pablo sr

no

[junior latch]

try solo speedruns

Training is still based

[sharp siren]

oh i see why you saying that

yeah my mans tweaking

[high ruin]

Your training wr is triggering.

[burnt flume]

Nah, T sucks

[high ruin]

I tried at it one day for a couiple hours

[junior latch]

you havent event tried smh

[sharp siren]

my man really said the game its "objectively balance around boosters"

lmao

[burnt flume]

I got a 4:16 or 17 and never uploaded

[junior latch]

shame

@jade iron ill get ya to do it at some point too

[jade iron]

maybe after r6b1

[high ruin]

Actually got close to a solo run of R5A3 Main couple weeks ago and died on S scan more than halfway.
It's not a joke.

[jade iron]

I think I ran some times that were within 5-10s of wr on training then didn't bother uploading

[junior latch]

5-10 seconds is a long time for it tbf

[jade iron]

yeah didn't seem worth

[junior latch]

Run again

upload

T-tier level

way harder than any other level

which other lvl has a tank surge

smh

[jade iron]

good point

[high ruin]

Why did they change it from "EVAL" to "Training?"

[coarse grail]

Probably cos Eval is pretty unclear

[high ruin]

I guess.

It sounded cooler tho

[jade iron]

maybe it was an attempt to get eva to change name to d4rktraining

[coarse grail]

darktrainingl* darktrainin

[junior latch]

they tried

and failed

[junior latch]

Anyway

Where your training speedrun

[coarse grail]

I already did it, you know that

4:12

[junior latch]

Oh right

[coarse grail]

Perfect score without resorting to underhanded tactics like sliding

[junior latch]

pff

Gotta force more people into it

[burnt flume]

yes, in a level tier list it's down in T tier because of how boring it is

[peak frost]

Time for my daily spear propaganda. SPEAR IS BEST!

[wispy bluff]

Unfortunately objectively wrong, but it's much better these days for certain.

[coarse grail]

Apparently you can now amble while charging spear

[wispy bluff]

It does make a difference, even if little

At the very least makes you feel like you're actually doing something

Hopefully they buff it a tiny bit again and we can call it mission accomplished

[peak frost]

I feel like spear is doing perfect now

If they would buff it further, hammer would be useless

[junior latch]

its no longer trash

wooh

[junior latch]

Eh

[peak frost]

Hammer has faster sprint, spear more range

[junior latch]

yea no

unless you mean buff it insanely hard

[coarse grail]

what if we just gave spear proper sprint

[peak frost]

Spear is giga good

[junior latch]

hammer has actual sprint
More base dmg (big breakpoint)
Better stagger

[wispy bluff]

Hammer has:

• faster sprint
• lots of stagger
• still deals more raw damage on bodyshots

[peak frost]

Then spear would be hammer with range...

I doubt that hammer has more weakspot damage

[wispy bluff]

Spear is effectively useless against chargers

[junior latch]

weakspot dmg only matters on bosses and giants (and even there only somewhat)

[peak frost]

Well gl trying to meele charger lol

[wispy bluff]

No head - no advantage

[junior latch]

smalls are the most meleed thing

[coarse grail]

Weakspot damage and range are the two benefits spear has over hammer

[junior latch]

?

[peak frost]

Unless they are asleep which spear can also 1 tap

[junior latch]

Litteraly easier with hammer

[coarse grail]

Hammer has damage and stagger

[peak frost]

Bruh, why would I want to meele a charger

I have 2 guns

[junior latch]

cuz chargers are common enemies in stealth?

[peak frost]

Yea but then just 1 tap them with spear?

[junior latch]

and if something wakes up you can still just sprint jump past it and kill

or spam tap it for perma stagger

[peak frost]

Or just 1 tap it with spear

[junior latch]

from the front :^ )?

[peak frost]

Then 2 tap it

[coarse grail]

I guess the argument is basically hammer is better at salvaging stealth that is going wrong/about to go wrong

[peak frost]

I don't see the problem

[wispy bluff]

You're not surviving second tap

[junior latch]

Dis

[junior latch]

More likely it just screams honestly

hammer either moves for the kill or staggers it permanently

Hammer is still clear nr 1

[peak frost]

Can't relate on the charger thing tbh

Hammer to me is just a spear with less range and more mobility

[coarse grail]

galiron, what use cases do you think the spear shines in?

[junior latch]

but spear actually has a niche tbf (when dealing with giants (specifically hybrids/chickens) and bosses

[junior latch]

And more base dmg
And more stagger

[wispy bluff]

Spear is (normal) giant fighter. Nice extra damage on headshots. Especially giant shooters and dreaded hybrids.

I think you can two tap a hybrid or something?

[peak frost]

killing big guys, stealth game. Range advantage is huge, u can walk up to an enemy and weak hit it from range before it screams and no need to run

basically 2-3 tapping big guys is kinda nice

Well that's assuming u do head -> back hit

[junior latch]

2 with occi, 3 front hs)

[peak frost]

I'm not sure about hybrids but the normal big guys basically 2 or 3 tap

• u perma stagger

[junior latch]

Normal giants need 3 attacks

and no
You need a limb break on any hit to stagger giants

[peak frost]

Which you do

with spear

[junior latch]

Also hammer can also simply walk up to stuff in stealth

But it can salvage far better at any point

spear is a choice now

But i wouldnt rly call it a good alternative to hammer

[sharp owl]

WHEN R8

[peak frost]

I dunno man to me the damage from spear and hammer feels the same

[junior latch]

🚪 👈

[wispy bluff]

Spear is comfy, but hammer still has more salvage power once you put more effort into it.
I still like the comfort of extra range more - it makes stealth feel very matter-of-course casual.

[peak frost]

It's just that hammer can sprint faster and spear has range

[junior latch]

Enemys with 20 hp

Hammer doing 20
Spear 17,5

[coarse grail]

So for killing big guys this is solo specifically I guess, its more comfy for killing guys on your own so I'd put that in as convenience. The walking up hitting a waking enemy from range is okay for some situations, but thats quite niche, and its really very little gain compared to what hammer can do. I don't think this is enough to offset the other advantages hammer has

[junior latch]

Hmmm

[coarse grail]

Cos killing giants with 2 people hammers or spears is the same

[junior latch]

Guess which enemy has 20 hp that shows up everywhere

[peak frost]

Well is that considering weakspot?

[coarse grail]

and hammer can ofc solo as well its just a bit less comfy

[junior latch]

No, because you dont need it for hammer

Having to hit weakspots to kill smalls for a heavy weapon is a weakness

[peak frost]

I'm bascially half charging enemies with spear from front

[junior latch]

look at spear users fighting strikers vs hammer users

[peak frost]

I never run into issues where I can't easy kill targets with a spear ngl

[wispy bluff]

Unfortunately it is a disadvantage of spear. Hammer just brainlessly smashed them with full charge, while Spear users have to carefully aim for the head

[junior latch]

you dont hit head? Great now you have to tap twice or recharge

meanwhile hammer already kiled the next one

[peak frost]

I mean yea if you get swarmed hammer is better but then again, if I wake up enemies I swap to guns and start blasting

[junior latch]

again, spear isnt terrible anymore (thank god )

[coarse grail]

thats an argument for hammer being better to conserve ammo

[wispy bluff]

On a good note: they made it so that spear finally deals extra damage on headshot light taps. So you can full charge stab something for 17,5 and then finish it off with a single quick jab to the head.

[junior latch]

but its not close to hammer

[coarse grail]

Like yeah you can shoot but guns are a resource

[peak frost]

Well then you still sacrifice hp

[wispy bluff]

It's such a QoL change, jesus christ.

[junior latch]

Not with hammer

you just run and kill

[peak frost]

I never felt that ammo was an actual issue in this game lol

Bigger issue for me is hp

[wispy bluff]

I wanted to kms every time I fail a headshot and then have to do another 2 taps just to finish off a striker. Mega cringe.

[peak frost]

and maybe infection

[junior latch]

20% hp gang is a thing for a reason

[peak frost]

For me the only reason to pick hammer is the sprint

For damage I go with spear

cuz weakspot damage

Missing hits on a sleeping enemy is cringe

[junior latch]

imo rn

S - hammer
A - knife
B - spear/bat

Spear/bat are generally better than knife, BUT if you wanna pick knife for its strength then its unrivaled

[wispy bluff]

You should try quick swinging it, watch the sleeper get perma stunlocked as he can't do anything.

[peak frost]

Isn't bat good with the stagger change?

[junior latch]

Do you even know where the weakspot dmg changes how many hits you need?

[burnt flume]

Christ

[peak frost]

I mean maybe easy big guy stagger or something

[junior latch]

Hammer :^ )

[burnt flume]

Hammer is undoubtedly better in the vast majority of situations, spear is simply less of a troll pick now

[junior latch]

[peak frost]

hammer charged stagger is 5

bat charged stagger is 6

And I would say bat charges way faster

[burnt flume]

Stagger multiplier isn't the only thing that matters

[peak frost]

I mean knife is fun for speed runs

just sprinting and nuking mobs

cuz easy 1 tap

[burnt flume]

You still light stagger giants with a hammer full charge

[peak frost]

Yea, I'm just saying bat is a sagger machiene

and not a dmg monster

[burnt flume]

Isn't it funny how most speedruns use hammer

[peak frost]

probably because it's the fastest

[sharp owl]

also because its op

[burnt flume]

Hammer has shit loads of stagger too, you can just light tap any small and they can't do shit

[junior latch]

Thats stagger multi

Hammer is 20 x 5 = 100
Bat is 12 x 6 = 72

[burnt flume]

Kinda stupid, yeah bat can do the same but like

Hammer has so much stagger that bat is fairly useless

[junior latch]

Rarely used

Its practically

95% hammer
5% knife/bat

[wicked solstice]

bat does charge faster tho

so you can get more hits off

[junior latch]

Yup
With the recent buff it technically has noticeably more stagger in theory

[crude bay]

And what if you miss?

[junior latch]

but the buff only changes its interaction with mom afaik?

[wicked solstice]

we are assuming no skill issues

[burnt flume]

But does that open up any new functionality? Or is it just numbers on a page

[junior latch]

so why not use hammer and stagger all anyway

[peak frost]

Interesting, spear has less stagger on charged hits

[wispy bluff]

I just prefer thrusting attacks aesthetically. Always was a spear user in from games.

My current ER char is a greatlance user

[wicked solstice]

no?

[wispy bluff]

Wouldn't surprise me

[wicked solstice]

it has a lower stagger multiplier yes

[upbeat sail]

the main upside to the bat is it blows through your stamina a lot slower then the hammer

[wicked solstice]

but it still staggers more

bat can also be used to stunlock two bigs simultaneously

[upbeat sail]

and the charge is easier to manage then the hammers

[peak frost]

58% charge is required for a striker to get killed by a spear headshot

without back attackj

seems about right

[peak frost]

Ah, I see

[junior latch]

Yeah dw its only 100 stagger dmg vs 17,5 :^ €

[junior latch]

You sure?

[peak frost]

I usually don't utilize stagger tbh. I break limbs instead

That staggers

[wicked solstice]

i've seen it so yes

a member of my static uses bat

[junior latch]

Tbf, with perma stagger i always think of „no time to scream“

[wicked solstice]

yeah

that's what I mean

[junior latch]

Seems like giants 100% could scream if you have to charge it twice for every hit

since you need to alternate

[wicked solstice]

yeah bc bat charges super fast

you just alternate limb breaks

[junior latch]

that means you hit both from behind at all times

[wicked solstice]

I know I've seen him do it

yup

it's hard

[junior latch]

and only works … 4? times each

[wicked solstice]

but it's definitely doable

[junior latch]

Getting 2 giants to show you their back while hitting both in rythm seems unlikely

wait whats bat charge time again?

[wicked solstice]

yes, so by then your teammates have dealt with whatever caused you to have to stunlock two giants

1s

[junior latch]

then you need over 2 seconds to hit again

seems like that isnt actually stunlock then?

[wicked solstice]

huh

i know I've seen it so idk

[junior latch]

anytime they charge up a tounge they couldve screamed

Take stuff like that into account

tho i feel like you probably dont have the thing on video for us to look at :(

[peak frost]

Is the weakspot damage different between mobs? Because fully charged spear would deal 78.75 damage on a striker

[wicked solstice]

yeah nah

I don't usually record stuff

[peak frost]

But big strikers have only 40hp right? So something's weird there

[junior latch]

depends on enemy yes

[junior latch]

120 hp

[wicked solstice]

I'll look into it

[junior latch]

40 stagger hp

[peak frost]

Never mind

[wicked solstice]

Ah I see

"Small window for retaliation"

I guess we got lucky

[peak frost]

I'm just on the gtfo fandom and try to figure out the damage of spear

but it's so weird

[junior latch]

17,5

[peak frost]

yea

[junior latch]

then its prec multi x enemy crit multi

(Which is head or tumor)

[peak frost]

but more like what's the headshot, back and limb multiplier?

[coarse grail]

use magic spreadsheet instead #guides-and-reviews message

[junior latch]

Back multi is 2x if perfect (just use 2) limbs dont have any

[gusty burrow]

Hey, I heard there's a Melee page on the wiki that has like some example calculations to help with that kind of thing, idk just something I heard

[junior latch]

But back multi doesnt get bigger with prec multi

unless its a head hit

[junior latch]

Idk, seems like bs

[gusty burrow]

Whoever wrote it must've been a huge nerd

[peak frost]

I guess the damage calculation on the fandom is either wrong or outdated then?

[junior latch]

fandom?

[peak frost]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Melee#Shove

Well I looked into the dmg formular for spear

And with 100% charge (x = 1) it would be 78.5 damage

[earnest forge]

That would be accurate

[peak frost]

But that does not consider back attack damage right?

[junior latch]

Should be 78,75 for a occiput hit on a giant striker

[peak frost]

I don't understand where this comes into play

[junior latch]

It does

its 17,5 (base) x 2 (back) x 1,5 (prec multi) x 1,5 (giant striker crit head crit multi) = 78,75

[peak frost]

I see

[junior latch]

the head multi depends on the enemy

the prec multi on the weapon

[peak frost]

I didn't know knife had a sleeping multiplier

lol

[junior latch]

yup

[peak frost]

I guess the reason I 2 tap big guys then is because I used like 5% meele damage or something

[junior latch]

we generally ignore boosters for any of this

[peak frost]

2 hits are basically 113.75 damage

[junior latch]

it just makes everything weird

[peak frost]

which is 6.25 damage short

So using 6% meele damage is suficcient to 2 tap big guys

not that I need it because I stagger with every hit anyway but it's nice to know

[upbeat sail]

just full charge a limb with each hit if your meleeing a gaint it works with everything but the knife

[peak frost]

poor knife enjoyers

I'm curious if anyone ever killed the tank in u know which mission

I've read that it actually takes damage but the hp pool is too big to kill it

[upbeat sail]

yes

[junior latch]

only with cheats (or with the bug that existed shortly while after the release of an ALT)

[upbeat sail]

cant you technically do it with melee just it would take 36 years

[junior latch]

yes

[peak frost]

[junior latch]

have fun with that tho

gotta door bug it

and still be awful

[upbeat sail]

ultimate speedrun title

[junior latch]

Pablo kill%
32 years, 237 days 13 hours 12 min and 58 seconds

[peak frost]

I dunno I cleared the mission on the 2nd try

[junior latch]

you didnt try killing pablo in melee

[peak frost]

First try was a bit scuffed, since I tried to kill it

No but I tried to kill the big boy with guns

didn't work out

So I just did the mission how it was intended to be done

But whatever, I kinda want to know what happens if he dies

will another spawn?

[junior latch]

he dies

[peak frost]

or will it bug out stuff?

[junior latch]

[peak frost]

https://tenor.com/view/drago-rocky-if-he-if-he-dies-he-dies-gif-10570702

[junior latch]

nothing happens

[peak frost]

Damn

[little ridge]

I'll tell you a secret

[peak frost]

The gif would've been fitting

[little ridge]

every time ||you teleport back, the game actually kills everything||

[peak frost]

I see

Still spear best

can't change my mind

[junior latch]

dont need to change your mind if the facts are against you

[coarse grail]

50 minutes, wasted

[junior latch]

:p

[analog flicker]

[peak frost]

[analog flicker]

Spear is better than what it used to be. But yeah. Think what you will.

[wispy bluff]

Hey, it's fine. It doesn't need to be best. It's just need not be utter shit, like it used to.

[peak frost]

Every hammer enjoyer should be happy to have a spear in their party

[junior latch]

If Hammer is a 8-10/10 vs everything

[peak frost]

for the big guys

[analog flicker]

Not really tbh.

[junior latch]

? What LOL

hammer takes out giants like spear

[peak frost]

[upbeat sail]

if your doing it solo the slap range is still an issue

[analog flicker]

For a vet. There's no real situation where Spear would be better than Hammer.

[upbeat sail]

not if your ganking it

[peak frost]

what slap

I solo all big guys

never got slapped once

[upbeat sail]

the spear is outside the slap range

which is why its easier to do it solo with it

[peak frost]

The only thing that fucked me up is a charger scout that I thought was a scout

poke him and he's mad

[analog flicker]

Don't let Chill hear you saying that

[upbeat sail]

if he got slapped while using it then take it away and make him use bat as punishment

[peak frost]

But big guys never fight back

[analog flicker]

Chilldude went on a tangent on why hammer is brain dead for soloing giants

[peak frost]

They just stumble all over the place

[wispy bluff]

I wonder If new occi changed any breakpoints

[upbeat sail]

I mean the strat for doing it is the same just you have to be slightly closer

[analog flicker]

Lower charge times for occi/headshot really.

[wispy bluff]

What was it...

[glass wharf]

U shouldn't be taking any slaps realistically

If u do it right

[analog flicker]

I think it oneshots mother tumors?

[upbeat sail]

same with bat but you have to be even closer then the hammer

and it takes longer

[peak frost]

people meeling mothers?

U guys are build different

[wispy bluff]

Alright before it was...

[analog flicker]

Yeah new Spear. Full charge breaks mom tumors

[peak frost]

I think charger scout was 3 hits?

Or was it 4

[junior latch]

Then spear is a 3-4/10 vs smalls a 9-10/10 vs chickens/hybrids/bosses

Also worse vs chargers, bbcs, snatcher

[peak frost]

Yo holup

u guys meeling snatchers?

[junior latch]

its not great

but 2 hammers work

[peak frost]

I usually blast them

[analog flicker]

Meet us when you have a team burst Meleeing a mother to death

[peak frost]

Man, u guys seem to love meele

I love my shotgun tho

[analog flicker]

It's strong and saves ammo

[peak frost]

I tried R6D4 yesterday, hell the end was impossible with bots

I had to get help

[analog flicker]

The end requires certain strats to be "easily" manageable

[wispy bluff]

68 + 17 + 17 + 17

[peak frost]

I first need to find a level that will let me have an ammo shortage lol

I also think ammo boosters are the worst boosters

[wicked solstice]

R7C3

:3

[peak frost]

Maybe only topped by hp regen boosters

[analog flicker]

The end of r6d4 shouldn't be as bad with the disinfection zone supplies either.

[junior latch]

straight ammo is trash

provision is pretty broken

[wicked solstice]

R7C3

[junior latch]

Even theres its kinda meh honestly

[peak frost]

wait how do you mark something as spoiler?

[analog flicker]

The end of r6d4. Iirc tool is better

[junior latch]

unless you have 4 people with it on al slots

[analog flicker]

|| <

[peak frost]

Yea R6D4 end was scuffed.

[analog flicker]

|| R6D4 ||

[peak frost]

Managed to play with bots until this very last part

like || this?

[wispy bluff]

4 hits...

[peak frost]

I tried

I suck

Can't put spoiler tags

[analog flicker]

On both sides

[wispy bluff]

Now it's... Still 4 hits with a leeway

Unfortunate

[junior latch]

@eternal maple why would you say so?

[analog flicker]

I also dislike being the scattergun person.

(Mainly because my team was murdering giants with other weapons)

[peak frost]

But R7C3 probably wasn't too bad. I can't really remember it

I'm only missing R6D2/3 and CX

I don't like the scatter gun

only 2 shots sucks

If it would at least penetrate and be a HEL

[analog flicker]

R7C3 is a struggle if || you're bad with Melee ||

[peak frost]

I see

[upbeat sail]

I still havent cleared it lol

[peak frost]

Is it the mission where u

fuck how do I put a spoiler tag

||no ammo||

Can't put it min sentence

[wicked solstice]

O_O

[peak frost]

only as / spoiler

[analog flicker]

It supposedly used to but didn't actually work.

[wicked solstice]

uhhhh I hate to break it to you

but scatter used to be hel

[junior latch]

It wasnt a hel

And the pen didnt work

[analog flicker]

Iirc. People said the stat didn't actually work.

[wicked solstice]

i thought it penned?

oh lol

[junior latch]

it had the stat but didnt work

[analog flicker]

It had the stat but no worky

[wicked solstice]

it also had like way more damage

190 something

[junior latch]

192 yep

[wicked solstice]

it's still really good rn

[junior latch]

50% more

[true pilot]

old sctatergun was funny

[wicked solstice]

not busted

but good

[analog flicker]

loads pre-nerf scattergun with religious intent
#786965379096379432Moment

[peak frost]

I'm just saying right now 2 shots sucks on a gun that doesn't penetrate if other weapons can do the job as good.

[wicked solstice]

ok but consider the following

hel rifle takes like 4 shots to kill

out of 5

scattergun takes 1

out of 2

[peak frost]

Sniper takes 1

Shotguns are also pretty good

[true pilot]

if you get headshot

[peak frost]

especially the one with 4 shots and decent range

[wicked solstice]

choke mod

[peak frost]

I'm just saying big guys usually die super quick cuz you're not the only one blasting

[wicked solstice]

which needs all 4 shots to kill a big

[junior latch]

It kills in 1 shot
It does MAJOR dmg to mom
It can kill multiple smalls/chargers in 1 shot

[wicked solstice]

so what if you have to be the only one blastinhg

[peak frost]

So usually they die before I can even get close enough to blast them with the scatter

[wicked solstice]

scattergun is really good

like 0 question

[true pilot]

scatergun is really good

[peak frost]

Sawed off shotgun is also cool

not sure if it's good but cool

[wicked solstice]

it's not even like hel shotty where you need to know how to use it

[true pilot]

you can just go in solo and not worry about giants

[wicked solstice]

you just get close and blast

[peak frost]

I prefer the normal shotgun

Or 4 shot shotgun

If I feel fancy the combat shotgun cuz that makes me feel like rambo

[true pilot]

plus scatergun can kill multiple giants a bit more easily in hard situations

[peak frost]

Just running around blasting, even tho combat shotgun feels weird weak

[wicked solstice]

youy have to hit headshots

[peak frost]

I feel like hel shotgun is better

I play shotgun buddy

[wicked solstice]

pop in head and it's a 1 shot

[peak frost]

that should tell you everything about my aim

[wicked solstice]

yeah

[peak frost]

more spread = better for me

[wicked solstice]

i mean I do too

[peak frost]

I suck at everything else

[wicked solstice]

I mean aim Combat shotty at the head

[junior latch]

Its one of the best specials in the game

[peak frost]

I literally tried hel rifle, missed 4/5 shots on a shooter

[wicked solstice]

i mean I suck at precision too

[peak frost]

8 rounds shotgun is nice

[wicked solstice]

luckily combat shotgun doesn't have to be incredibly precise

[true pilot]

scatergun is literally a sniper that doesnt need aim

[peak frost]

1 tap normal mobs and has enough spread to stagger

[true pilot]

i am suprised you dont like it

[wicked solstice]

^ this

[peak frost]

And the hel shotgun is basically the panic button for me if shit gets to close

[junior latch]

Mom -> scattergun -> no more mom

[peak frost]

Damn

[wicked solstice]

[peak frost]

I am just mad that scatter has to few shots

[junior latch]

reload

blast

[peak frost]

Try that when u get swarmed

[true pilot]

how to kill a pregnant woman even more easily than before

[peak frost]

other shotguns help me way more in those situations

[true pilot]

then have friends help you?

[junior latch]

Each shot clears and entire angle

[peak frost]

especially the hel gun cuz 5 pierce

gets rid of a shittons of mobs

[junior latch]

ah yes cuz enemies that swarm you line up

What

[true pilot]

yeah

[peak frost]

what friends. I only know bishop

and dauda

[true pilot]

i use scatergun in full bot solo

[peak frost]

For some weird reason I do better with bots than with people

[wicked solstice]

hel gun has 3

you mean hel rifle?

[true pilot]

and it is not hard to pull off reloads

[wicked solstice]

yeah

iirc scattergun even has some reload cancel

[peak frost]

sorry meant the hel rifle

the one that 1 taps and does big damage

with like 5 shots

and 6 pierce

[wicked solstice]

it doesn't have 6 pierce

[peak frost]

I love it on long distances

[wicked solstice]

it should but it's bugged

[peak frost]

when they line up

Yea but I mostly just get 2-3 penetrates anyway

maybe 5 if they have a long distance to run

and line up

to be fair I never really need to manage my position to save ammo anyway

the game has too much ammo to be difficult

I basically cleared all missions with max a 2nd player (buddy of mine)

So bots allways have mine and biotracker

[true pilot]

mines on bots?

[peak frost]

Ye

[true pilot]

i prefer to have a sentry on them

[peak frost]

Q -> command

[little ridge]

hical to back can kill cscout? neat

[true pilot]

i fuckin solo shit dude

i know how to use bots

[peak frost]

I mean

turret on bots is also fine

depends on what my buddy wanna play

[true pilot]

the annoying part about mine bots is they cant put mines high

[wicked solstice]

yeah

I still like em on mines more than Cfoam and bio

but eh

personal prefereence

[peak frost]

also that bots are super dented regarding mine placement

and removal

[true pilot]

oh god mine removal