gtfo-chat

[coarse grail]

so what is the QoL or benefit from this mod in your PoV?

[little ridge]

If I pick a pack and someone has efficiency I can drop it? Or just... it makes sense?

[ruby temple]

The only benefit is saving time for most of the levels

[little ridge]

I can pick x up I can also drop it?

[ruby temple]

As long as you dont need to go through respawn rooms

[coarse grail]

How about trading resources with another player then?

Like click on each other and swap

[ruby temple]

Hol up

[coarse grail]

as an alternative

[sharp owl]

dropping a pack or a consumable for a teammate

[mint light]

No you should have e communicated better, take the L

[little ridge]

That'd be nice

[coarse grail]

I would be pretty much fine with being able to directly give your teammate a resource pack or consumable

[wispy bluff]

I had a run in with someone who was using that mod and apparently it can't stuck past a certain point, like x5 or x6

[coarse grail]

But reallocating locker resources rubs me the wrong way

[mint light]

Still broken and that person should be banned from society

[wispy bluff]

Like pills in L4D. Just right click and throw them at their face, bam.

[little ridge]

Yeah this tbh

kinda

[coarse grail]

I still wouldn't run it

but that seems more like QoL than abusable

[mint light]

It just goes against the core of the game. It's completely not ok

[little ridge]

Think about it like this: instead of going all the way back to swap a disinfection so we can exchange we just exchange directly

[wispy bluff]

Inability to manage resource outside of swapping / burning is a pretty arbitrary limitation. I can sort of see why they did it that way, but ultimately its just a pain in the ass.

[analog flicker]

[coarse grail]

Yes, if it is for that purpose I get where you are coming from

Maybe my teammate has the cfoam grenade but he isn't confident on using it

[mint light]

Yes but they did it THAT way on purpose

[coarse grail]

So he wants to give it to someone else without having to find a glowstick box

[wispy bluff]

I know, but the purpose is probably lame.

[little ridge]

I dont really know how much is them fucking the design up and never fix it under the guise of "it's on purpose" tbh

[mint light]

Again should have communicated BEFOREHAND

[little ridge]

Like non having a 3d map

[wispy bluff]

I'm actually genuinely curious to see their excuse.

[little ridge]

is a 3d map not there by design?

[mint light]

What you guys basically are saying is you guys are too lazy to work together

[analog flicker]

(Me knowing i wouldve just put as many glowsticks into a locker as possible)

[sharp owl]

its pubs

[mint light]

it's gtfo

adapt or suck it up

[little ridge]

And we istantly are when there's a consumable to allow us to swap?

[wispy bluff]

oops, everyone picked up a pack

[sharp owl]

not applicable to your average joe

[little ridge]

Since what we are advocating for is now the same as having something to swap out?

[wispy bluff]

supply eff stuck with medkit, med eff stuck with ammokit

[mint light]

No cause the devs want you to think about who is picking up ehat and when

[wispy bluff]

Next pack is only after class bazzilion alarm

And nothing can be done

smacks lips

[analog flicker]

Average Joe's can adapt and learn tho so eh.

[coarse grail]

Again, I would never want to run it, but I'd have more respect for someone doing resource swapping than resource reallocation into empty containers

[mint light]

EXaCTLY

[wispy bluff]

I'm fairly certain lord gave these hands to put things back where i picked them up, but i don't know...

[mint light]

Artek gets it

[burnt flume]

Oh no haha the wrong person picked up a pack, guess you can either wait to swap it out and be completely fine or just use it anyway and be completely fine

[sharp owl]

you havent played with an average joe yet then

[burnt flume]

Although I am rather cynical

[little ridge]

So, being able to swap it directly is fine?

[mint light]

elitist

[little ridge]

If it doesn't matter it doesn't matter?

[analog flicker]

That's a vast assumption but think what you will.

[burnt flume]

If you could directly swap then it isn't as egregious

[little ridge]

Guys really

[burnt flume]

Ultimately, I do not care

[little ridge]

It's the same as having a pack to swap stuff out

[sharp owl]

i mostly play with bots so i dont have to deal with anything 😴

[little ridge]

Maps aren't gonna get cleared more because I can swap shit out with a teammate without a middleuselesspack

[burnt flume]

Because I'll simply manage the resources and do a good job in the confines of the game itself

[wispy bluff]

i would settle for swapping / giving mechanic, but probably too late for that

[coarse grail]

For that use case sure, but placing in empty places opens up other more resinous use cases

[little ridge]

Fine then just swap with a teammate

or give them the item

whatever

[junior latch]

this still stacks, especially if lockers already have 1-3 packs in them

got 5 lockers with ressources? now you got 5 EXTRA packs there

[analog flicker]

[little ridge]

I mean it'd say something like "locker full" or whatever?

[analog flicker]

Considering there can be like 5 lockers with just glowsticks/fogs

[little ridge]

But who cares, let's go with resource swapping with players instead

[coarse grail]

If I was running R2D2 and this was part of the game as soon as I get into a side zone with fat stacks of resources I'd be using my time ferrying them into empty spots in the main room

[junior latch]

it would just lead to people being mad that you cant fully stack "THERES STILL ROOM!!!11!1!"

[wispy bluff]

"locker full"

screenshot of mostly empty locker with a single ammo pack sticking out on the lowest shelf

[burnt flume]

Maybe we should bug packs like some consumables so once you put them down they're stuck

[wispy bluff]

That just sounds funny to me

[burnt flume]

Whoops! There goes your 4 use med

[mint light]

Yep and that defeats the whole purpose

[coarse grail]

One of the things I like about that level is the resource management aspect, I wanna go into side zones with low resources and empty hands so I can use stuff and take stuff too

[wispy bluff]

Purpose being a stick in the ass for the sake of being a stick in the ass?

[coarse grail]

While I'm protecting my little nest egg in the reactor room

[mint light]

You aren't supposed to have smooth rides in this game ffs

[wispy bluff]

I understand that, but i always find it borderline stupid when difficulty comes from literally just depraving your player from the most basic functions or abilities for the sake of "making it harder"

[mint light]

Like you call it arbitrary, but guess what every single mechanic is arbitrary by definition in any game

[wispy bluff]

"You can no longer breathe. Difficulty!"

[little ridge]

Arguably boosters are way way worse than putting shit in lockers eh

[latent palm]

ARTEK

PLAY TODAY?!?!?!

[wispy bluff]

NO

[coarse grail]

Yes, but they are actually in the game

[mint light]

Don't use em. what's your point?

[wispy bluff]

Elden Ringu requires my swingu

[junior latch]

people overplay how bad ressource management is in this game. As if you always end up with a 4 use and have to leave behind a million 3 uses or smth

[ruby temple]

OMG YOU PUT A 4 USE AMMO INSTEAD OF A 5 USE IM GONNA RUN OUT OF SNIPER AMMO WHEN THE HYBRID SHOWS UP AND WE'RE ALL GONNA DIEEEEEEEEE

[latent palm]

Belden Bling

[little ridge]

This thing where X feature aint there by design cause it'd make the game easier

I think it ain't by design

[burnt flume]

Both are bad, so are containers that only have artefacts in them

[little ridge]

even if they say it is

they're just lazy

[junior latch]

the thing with boosters

the game isnt designed or balanced around them

[burnt flume]

Return to OG R4, no boosters, no artefacts, just good times

[mint light]

Yeah and boosters are in there by design so you want to use them, use them

[little ridge]

Well you can argue the same about swapping res... right?

[mint light]

glorious

[little ridge]

or checkpoint

[junior latch]

they are in there so use them i guess, but theres a reason we differentiate between boosters/no boosters

[little ridge]

I mean, this game withstood way more difficulty fuckery

[mint light]

checkpoints should just be r3moved

[burnt flume]

Truly the golden version

[wispy bluff]

I did leave x3 uses before. Or i just burn them to put everyone from 95% to 100%. Never feels good to do that, but then again...

[little ridge]

Than being able to swap res

[junior latch]

in those situations you have too many ressources anyway and the left over doesnt matter

[coarse grail]

If the devs put it in the game I would use it. Using a mod to put it in the game and make my life easier I don't agree with

[wispy bluff]

Here's a funny one

I had an R1C1 wipe once

[coarse grail]

If it was a suggestion to swap between players I'd probs vote it up

[little ridge]

That I can see

[wispy bluff]

One of the mistakes the lads i was palying with made is that they burned every 0% of early resources

[junior latch]

i dont think that its one of the bad mods in how "cheating" like it is

[wispy bluff]

90% ammo because we went loud on a room? BURN THAT AMMOPACK

[junior latch]

but its not in by choice and i think thats fine

[wispy bluff]

Fairly certain we died because turrets ran out

[junior latch]

what ellda said tho

[ruby temple]

Wow

[junior latch]

that one (and the one where you can choose to only use ressources on teammates OR you) are thing i consider qol

[ruby temple]

Also 90% ammopack is a 4.5 times use

[junior latch]

depends on what gun

[burnt flume]

90% on your guns, not 90% ammopack

[little ridge]

laughs in combat shotgun

[wispy bluff]

Anyway

[ruby temple]

Why use gun when ur on a loud room

Just bonk

If ur not one shot

[wispy bluff]

I can see why putting things back into lockers is bad since it will directly nerf levels such as R1C1 and others like it

[ruby temple]

[wispy bluff]

But i would really appreciate a pack trade function

Finding a 3rd pack to trade with a guy is such a broken wheel

GTFO is not on consoles, right?

Surely we can spare some of these buttons... Like uh...

like this one [

[coarse grail]

It would be a kinda awkward interaction between 2 players

Both needing to consent at the same time in proximity

feels clunky

[ruby temple]

Nope

[wispy bluff]

I don't think packs even have any functions assigned to LMB / RMB despite being held in hands

[ruby temple]

Hold on can you change the binds?

[wispy bluff]

So LMB to just give it to the guy if he's empty, RMB to offer a swap (he just needs to press a button to confirm)

[coarse grail]

I don't want people giving me a resource pack without my consent ngl

[wispy bluff]

Or you could even make it a smart function where whenever player A presses "give pack" LMB - the other guy now has a generous window of something like 5 seconds to do the same back and it swaps based on that

[coarse grail]

Yeah stuff like that is doable

[elfin osprey]

me turning on sleath mode and give ellda resource: u will never know heheeee

[wispy bluff]

oh god, i just considered the funniest bugs that could happen due to desync or whatever

imagine swapping mid-checkpoint

[coarse grail]

Sorry, had to clarify that, if people use resources on me at the right time its fine

But I don't want a pack in my hands when I had plans for collecting something

[wispy bluff]

That's fair

Then again L4D people never had an issue with that... Almost...

Ah right. People giving me pills and then looting the adrenaline I wanted to loot.

[elfin osprey]

me turning on sleath mode and give ellda the last ammo pack when he is gonna use 1 last ammo pack to grab the 4 used one then steal the 4 use ammo pack from him with light speed: u will never know heheeee

[wispy bluff]

The only case and not a big deal, but still.

[coarse grail]

Yes, this will deal me psychic damage

[elfin osprey]

we call that unexpected move to "not waste resource"

[coarse grail]

What if you could trade resources with a downed player

Shoot them and don't revive til they give you their ammopack

👌

[elfin osprey]

thats actually a good move

[wispy bluff]

I think for the sake of human decency we're gonna cut that feature

[elfin osprey]

when u got into a kiting and 3 of the team are down

now i have all of the ammo in this world hehe

[coarse grail]

"Ah friend, you've come to revive me, we can fight the horde toge-"
"Shut up and give me your ammo"

[elfin osprey]

but tbh

in that situation its a waste of time rev the team then they cant kite and die again

[sharp owl]

patch 8.0

added looting downed teammates for ammo

[elfin osprey]

me trading my teammate "shield" for ammo

[shut vapor]

Teammates would not give ammo out of spite

[coarse grail]

Okay I'll pick them up first then they can give me the ammo

[latent palm]

@worn kiln i wana become mod

Any pointers?

[worn kiln]

Apply

[latent palm]

Very cool

Will do in a sec

[latent palm]

Btw i looked into R4D1 but failed to see any pointers

[sharp owl]

You have a weapon

[latent palm]

The only thing that was different was the amount of mom blobs

[worn kiln]

perhaps they have something to do with it

😼

[latent palm]

Morse code maybe?

[sharp owl]

The bat is a pretty happy medium between the hammer and knife

[junior latch]

issue is when its basically just a hammer downgrade rn

[latent palm]

@lone wraith

[lone wraith]

How

I just woke up

Running away

[lofty grotto]

R6 DX. Resources running low: 3 Hybs left with smalls nearby. “Wait, hang on” sneaks into said room… hears sniper firing and room waking noises… only to die down… me coming back “all clear!”

Hirnu and K went *Wtf just happened?”

[flat perch]

carried by a h.i. soundless monster, privilege really 🙂

[sharp owl]

wow

i almost did r1b2 on the first try solo

i did the class 4 alarm no issues and then died right at the end after finishing it

feelsbadman

[pine root]

The extradition scan is the trickiest part

[sharp owl]

hm

[pine root]

I do have stupid strategies if you have to hard a time

[wicked solstice]

Strategy: DMR

[pine root]

Wake up the shooter hsu room then run to extract

Close all doors

[sharp owl]

it was my own mistake

i started a lvl 4 alarm with 76% health and no medpacks

[median rivet]

You got a hammer

[sharp owl]

i would have lived if i took my time but i was like fucking YOLO

because i was doing so well

[true pilot]

overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer

[burnt flume]

I'd say that in itself isn't a mistake, but if you need the extra resources

[sharp owl]

id consider that a mistake

i take at least 40% damage in alarms seemingly regardless of length

[burnt flume]

if you're more experienced 76% hp will be plenty, but when you're less experienced then yeah you can call that a mistake

[sharp owl]

i wish there was like a training range where you could practice on specific enemies

[junior latch]

would be too easy to spoil yourself with

[sharp owl]

i wanna practice on some giant bois

[wraith marsh]

boot up r2b2

[sharp owl]

bet

[sour wing]

i can't find a single match, what i am doing wrong? new player here

[rose nova]

hellooo, dont use ingame matchmakin, is just like kinda slow n stuff
use the LFG channels, they r wya better

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[rose nova]

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel

and if you are new be sure to do the tutorial first [Training] and start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one

[sour wing]

well damn, that's a bummer

[rose nova]

i mean, lfg is just funkier so

its preferable

[lone wraith]

The LFG system is pretty good in this discord

[sour wing]

not in my case cuz i am a casual player, not time to lfg and keep getting kicked from sweatties tbf

[rose nova]

i mean u dont need high skill

we have LFG beginners

[lone wraith]

We have lfg beginners

Yes

[rose nova]

also u can always ask to only get neiwe

[lone wraith]

There are not too many sweats in this server

[sharp siren]

#lfg-beginners #how-to-matchmake

Also your probably joining late tier missions thats why you getting "sweats"

[sharp owl]

this game is in fact designed for people to try hard at it

[lone wraith]

Meh

[sharp siren]

Eh not really

[sharp owl]

at least you gotta care

about your actions

[lone wraith]

?

[sharp siren]

Just use like 10% of your brain

[sharp owl]

not fire randomly

[lone wraith]

Ehhhh

[sharp siren]

To set up

And thats it

[sharp owl]

eeeehhh

[junior latch]

tbf dragon i think you get to that part after having played for a while

[sharp owl]

just shoot mans

this cod 2 zombies reskin

[junior latch]

when you start out you gotta think to actually cruise

[lone wraith]

Which dragon are you referring to

[sharp siren]

Nah even when i was new i wasnt using thst much brain power

[junior latch]

but yea you can easily coast through levels at autopilot no thoughts head empty

[sour wing]

will give it a try if not then that was "fun"

[analog flicker]

Hed mt

[lone wraith]

Head empty

No thoughts

[sharp siren]

Light on dont move, light off move

Stand on circle shoot

[lone wraith]

walk bonk walk bonk walk set up shoot walk

[junior latch]

run
scan and shoot
run

[sharp siren]

I guess it helped that when i started everybody tought every level was like a csgo conpetition

[lone wraith]

Lmfao

[sharp siren]

Even tho i do remeber so many players panicking

[sharp owl]

if you have a high enough accuracy and hsr the entire level can be a csgo aimtrainer

[sharp siren]

But the key of gtfo its just paying attention really

Look at the zone indicstors and terminals

You pretty much got half the game figure it out like that

[analog flicker]

Who tf needs a csgo aim trainer for gtfo

[lone wraith]

There were a lot of times a group and I was just talking about life more so than the game

Lmfao

[analog flicker]

Ironically

The strikers movement reminds me of Psychos in Borderlands 2-3

They'll come a certain distance and then do their left and right movement to dodge and then come at you

[lone wraith]

Don't they also run behind you lol

[analog flicker]

Iirc that isn't consistent

But I also haven't observed it to notice it myself

[shut vapor]

Expeditions living up to their name

[analog flicker]

When GTFO LFG just becomes a VC Just Chatting

[lone wraith]

That also happens

I join a lfg to play then ended talking about our lives for 2 hours

It's cool tho

[analog flicker]

meanwhile we just shred through R2D2

[shut vapor]

😎

[lone wraith]

My R3 clear is atrocious

I cleared every level in R3 but R3A1 and R3A2

[sharp owl]

you know what i just realized

you could easily like

attach a mine to the end of your spear and just

delete a tank from the game

or a giant or similar

like what they did with tank mines and sticks

[lone wraith]

Lunge Mines?

Lmfao

[sharp owl]

yeah

[lone wraith]

It kills whoever uses it

[sharp owl]

it would work

nah nah

the mine blasts forward

[hollow merlin]

they could also just give you grenade launchers and other explosive weapons, but naw

[sharp owl]

yeah but this is different

[hollow merlin]

gotta stick with pew pews

[lone wraith]

"For every action, there is an equal an opposite reaction" lmao...

[sharp owl]

it would probably ruin your spear so you can only do it once

[sharp owl]

yeah but that's not a problem you can just let go of the stick

[hollow merlin]

you'd have to prop it against the tank and let it go

good luck not waking it up

[lone wraith]

Ye and have the stick fly either as a single piece right back at you or in pieces and shred you into pieces

[sharp owl]

you are clearly inexperienced with heroic anti tank shenanigans by infantry in world wars

[lone wraith]

Real

[sharp owl]

you hold the stick at your side

it blasts off to the side

[lone wraith]

Uh huh

That's indeed how it works

[sharp owl]

nuh uh

[lone wraith]

Uh huh

xd

[hollow merlin]

must be a durable stick

[sharp owl]

i am like 90% sure the people that used mines on sticks were fine

[lone wraith]

Uh huh

[sharp owl]

it's a futuristic drillhead

[lone wraith]

Yup

[sharp owl]

people were doing this with sticks

like wooden sticks

ok let me google this

[hollow merlin]

I know they did it with bunkers, but those were leaning it against the thing and running away.

not standing next to it

[sharp owl]

please don't tell me i've just been brainwashed by battlefield 1 and this wasn't actually a thing irl

i'm gonna be devastated

[lone wraith]

The lunge mines were real lol

[sharp owl]

yeah apparently you can't actually survive using that

[lone wraith]

Well yeah...

[sharp owl]

i still think it could work in game

you'd have no melee weapon afterwards but you could delete 1 enemy

and lose like 70 health

[hollow merlin]

they stood no chance against terrorism

[lone wraith]

Real...

[hollow merlin]

yeah, as much as I'd wish for aoe weapons, it'd ruin the balance somewhat

[sharp owl]

HEL is like dollar store AoE

or i guess conditional AoE

[lone wraith]

If only the warden had the budget

[hollow merlin]

yeah, and all members of the family are considered good if not op

[lone wraith]

Broke ass mofo

[upbeat sail]

wasnt the scattergun more or less a handheld mine

[sharp owl]

i think so yeah

see the devs know what's up

[lone wraith]

Imagine the re-release nerfing it to hell lmfao

[hollow merlin]

having a way to nuke bosses would lower the difficulty yeah. people already use sniper as a scout-crutch.

[upbeat sail]

ok I just watched a video of it and theres no way they are leaving that thing intact lol

[sharp owl]

i wouldn't call it a crutch

you sacrifice the weapon slot

like that's the point of the weapon

[hollow merlin]

I mean, it wouldn't be a crutch, if there weren't negatives for the convenience

[upbeat sail]

like half the secondarys can deck scouts tho

[hollow merlin]

doing it from range limits it somewhat, which is part of why sniper is so popular

you can stay far away from them

and not have to worry about feelers

if you're getting close with a shotgun, might as well just hammer it

[junior latch]

Which is funny cuz theres like 3 guns as reliable but overall more suited for it

[upbeat sail]

I still think hel rifle is the better option for that just it is not as good for gaints as a downside

[sharp owl]

which ones are those

asking for a friend

[hollow merlin]

high cal, hel rifle, something else?

[junior latch]

Hel rifle (charge up as negative)
Precision rifle/high cal (range as negative)
Choke mod (pellets as negative)

Sniper has limited bullets as negative basically

hel rifle is easily the best for it as you have basically unlimited range for it

[sharp owl]

im confused on the choke mod

isn't it a shotgun

[hollow merlin]

it's got a smaller dispersion to be effective at medium range

focused blast

[sharp owl]

A precision shotgun

[hollow merlin]

basically yeah

[wicked solstice]

Precisely

[sharp owl]

Now that's something

[hollow merlin]

bring a couple of them and (mini)bosses cry

[wicked solstice]

i just want scattergun back

To commit crimes

[sharp owl]

Ask and ye shall receive

I guess the sawed off would be the closest to it

[junior latch]

eh sawed off is just normal shotty

[upbeat sail]

isnt it 4 sawed offs duct taped together

[junior latch]

pretty much

[junior latch]

now imagine before its was 6 1/3

thing has crazy dmg

192

[upbeat sail]

I just looked at the wiki page and noticed it also has more total ammo then the sniper

or well had

[junior latch]

it kinda had less at the time

R6 sniper was pretty insane

then again, scattergun lost ammo with a mid rundown patch iirc

[wicked solstice]

It did

Had like 14 shells total near the end iirc

[upbeat sail]

watch them lower it even further in altr6

[wicked solstice]

no plz

;-;

[junior latch]

eh i think the good way to change it would be to lower ammo but buff dmg back to like 150+

that way it can actually reliably kill all giants and bosses

[wicked solstice]

:)

[junior latch]

but loses reliability vs smalls

[wicked solstice]

Yknow Idk ab that

[junior latch]

its gonna be even more specific than sniper (which im fine with)

[wicked solstice]

I like having to go for the head on hybirds

[upbeat sail]

though why does the wiki page say it does 128

[wicked solstice]

32x4

Iirc

[junior latch]

post nerf

[upbeat sail]

right

[wicked solstice]

I like having to aim better for hybrids

Also it always oneshots in my experience

Ig i’m used to using it

I love that gun

[junior latch]

you are required to get a hefty headshot and not miss pellets

its fine

[lofty grotto]

More ammo for Sniper!

[junior latch]

but the issue is it will currently be as or more efficient than standard shotty quite easily (obviously in trade off for small af mag)

[junior latch]

no

[lofty grotto]

T.T

The pain of Sniper…..

[upbeat sail]

is there any reason to take that outside of bosskilling

[junior latch]

scattergun?

i mean if it comes back in its last state it will be:
the best mom killer
a top tier tank/pmom killer
the best bbc killer
a top tier giant killer (and good vs hybrids)

while also being able to dispatch up to 4 chargers or 6 strikers per shot

[wicked solstice]

yeah

[lofty grotto]

But you will need to be VERY up close and personal with that

[wicked solstice]

It doesn’t pen anymore tho

Which is good

[junior latch]

iirc it never actually did pen

[wicked solstice]

It can be hard to group up sleepers like that

It did ?

[junior latch]

it appearantly had the stat but it didnt work

[wicked solstice]

oh i mean it was 2 shotting tanks

Pretty sure it needs pen for that even with 150 dmg

[junior latch]

it definetly wasnt 2 shotting tanks

and pen doesnt work on tanks anyway

even pre nerf with 192 it couldnt 2 shot tanks (ignoring how spread tank tumors usually are)

[wicked solstice]

huh

Maybe I’m misremembering

[junior latch]

pre nerf scattergun could 2 shot mom

post nerf it couldnt anymore

[oak island]

Hello

[junior latch]

oh yeah and client only basically

[sharp owl]

do shoves stagger big boys

no

they'll shove you instead

[oak island]

What are shoves and what is big boys???

[sharp owl]

a light stagger that stuns the enemy for a second or something

shove is a thing you do with melee weapons

big boys are big lickers

[pine root]

Play game

And see

[sharp owl]

im not sure when you're supposed to be using shoves

for small lads just hit em with the weapon to stagger them

big lads aren't affected

[pine root]

In reloads through teammates

[oak island]

I just downloaded the game it seems really cool

[pine root]

In melee

[hollow merlin]

it is cool

[pine root]

And for positioning

[sharp owl]

welcome.

to the pain train

[junior latch]

@pine root thx for the r5a3 addition

[pine root]

No worries most of the soft locks in the game I believe will be cell related

Plugging the cell in the wrong gen wear you don’t get a refund

[oak island]

It might just be me but is anyone doing R1

[junior latch]

yea
ive got 2 that actually stop the level straight up and 2 for optionals rn (looking for some fun speed ideas)

[pine root]

I would play a round by yourself

One time have some bots

It will very much help your development in the game

[oak island]

Figure it out

[junior latch]

if you get any more ideas let me know

[pine root]

If you don’t make much progress on two drops

[junior latch]

currently think 3 are for sure a good idea for adding them, still pondering if r4d2 works well enough

[pine root]

Then come back and we help yes

[pine root]

It is a little tight to get

[junior latch]

r4d2 is simply getting double bulkhead scan

then plugging secondary cells into main gens

[hollow merlin]

you always just host your own game as well, and people willing to help will join

[oak island]

I just got my ass handed to me

[pine root]

Sounds about right

Did you make it to the first alarm

[oak island]

Yeah

[pine root]

Nice!

[oak island]

I placed down the turret and stuff

then the bots keep using the shotgun and downing each other

[lone wraith]

lmfaooo

The GTFO experience

[oak island]

The bots are funny

[rough robin]

Did I hear 'bots with shotguns'

[pine root]

Nice I think you should try it again and loss the shotguns XD

Did you do the tutorial?

[sharp owl]

wow aggressive boosters are pretty stronk

[pine root]

Yeah

[lone wraith]

They have weird trade offs tho

[sharp owl]

what is sentry cpu speed

[lone wraith]

Makes your sentry scan faster

And do things faster

If it is +%

[oak island]

Yeah

[pine root]

Nice you got this

[sharp owl]

by combining a bold and aggressive booster i can have a regen cap of 49 hp

and -50% hacking and -13 regen speed

this seems strong as hell

being able to regen half your health bar

[pine root]

Yeah

But main dmg for hel rev one tap head

[sharp owl]

oooooo

you're RIGHT

[pine root]

And provisions and detox

Is way stronger

[sharp owl]

i never thought of that

you can use them to make your guns hit breakpoints

[pine root]

Yup

[mystic moss]

and then you can put it in your montage

[sharp owl]

i have so many regen speed muted boosters that i don't care about

also is tracker cpu speed the sentry's accuracy

[burnt flume]

tracker cpu speed is for biotracker

sentry cpu speed is for sentry and affects lock on time/fire rate iirc

[sharp owl]

aha

thanks

how bad is the hacking decrease

because regenerating up to 54 hp is pretty big boy stuff

if i stack all three of the tiers

[mystic moss]

doesn't matter in the long run

last stage of hacking is usually one bar

[dawn idol]

Is Kaylee and blue guy in here? Didn't catch your usernames before I left the vc.

[sharp owl]

Oof

That's basically impossible

[mystic moss]

nah just tedious

[sharp owl]

I guess you can try it out as much as you need but still

[analog flicker]

I hit the single bar more often than I hit 3 bars

[mystic moss]

true gtfo skill expression

[sharp owl]

What

How

[analog flicker]

Also doesn't hacking have like

2 speeds?

It's hard to notice

[oak island]

I could use some help

[sharp siren]

Nah you dead

[pine root]

What be happening man

Did you make it past the first alarm

[oak island]

Yeah but then I get the key card and the whole hoard spawn

[pine root]

For the next alarm or did you touch a scout

[oak island]

no next alarm

[pine root]

Okay you probably found a scout

They are sleepers that start a wave

[sharp siren]

Did you heard a low noise and you screen suddenly turn blue for a second?

[oak island]

I do the first alarm then went and found a scout then went got the key card then tried another door died

[latent palm]

Bro didnt hear the 🤡 horn

[oak island]

I killed the scout

[sharp siren]

And perhaps a scream that equally as loud as a jet engine

[pine root]

Oh you died in the class 4 alarm

[oak island]

Yeah

[pine root]

Unfo that one is tricky

Was the door to that room already broken down?

[pine root]

Did you firgure out how to use the bots tools

[sharp siren]

Whats your social security number

[oak island]

Yeah

[sharp siren]

You didnt told us your blood type

[oak island]

just wondering if I could hang out with some one

[latent palm]

[pine root]

I can’t right now unfortunately

[latent palm]

[pine root]

Maybe post on beginners!

[latent palm]

ill join

got no one else to force em on R4E1 rando anyways

[sharp owl]

kaiser for the rescue

[lone wraith]

Real...

[sharp owl]

not soo much for dragon

[lone wraith]

Real...

[sharp owl]

[lone wraith]

💀

[latent palm]

Huh?

[sharp owl]

go 🛌

[latent palm]

well i just woke up 1hour ago

i forgor today and just dove into bed

[sharp siren]

Next begginer i poay with

[sharp owl]

its ok

[sharp siren]

I will 100% overload him with info

And spoil the entire game

[sharp owl]

🤓🤓🤓

[lone wraith]

Lmfao

[sharp siren]

I should rush every single.room without any concern for his safety

[lone wraith]

Are you typing too fast

[sharp owl]

fingers on asdf jklm

[sharp siren]

I got big finger

[lone wraith]

😔

[sharp owl]

big fingers good fingers

dont let anyone tell you otherwise king

[lone wraith]

Lol

[sharp owl]

How would you buff the spear

If you were given the chance

[lone wraith]

Make it a trident so I can go fishing for some sleepers

[sharp owl]

Also a video i just saw on the melee weapons showed the spear one shotting chargers

[lone wraith]

yeah

[wicked solstice]

It does

Only from behind

Same with hanmer but spear just does less dmg

[sharp owl]

Earlier some people were saying it didn't

I think we were talking about chargers at least

[wicked solstice]

Nah it’s worse against chargers

Especially if you have to go against biggos

It still one shots smalls

[sharp owl]

Yes it's worse against big boys

Well maybe not because you're safer further away

[wicked solstice]

Just scary vs big ones bc if they stagger forward (and big chargers usually do), they can fly back around and charge you

[sharp owl]

But I guess it can't instakill it with all 4

[wicked solstice]

And you can’t sprint and charge

[sharp owl]

I wonder why you can't charge and sprint

[wicked solstice]

They stagger faaaaarrr

Idk man

[sharp owl]

Infantry used to do it all the time

[wicked solstice]

I’d take it if spear had like more damage

[sharp owl]

Like have you watched 300

[wicked solstice]

But it doesn’t

[sharp owl]

More damage just wouldn't fit

[wicked solstice]

I mean it could

[sharp owl]

Sledgehammer is the damage

[wicked solstice]

It’s a massive drillhead

[latent palm]

man stfu

[sharp owl]

It's just not right for the sledgehammer to not have the most dmg

[wicked solstice]

Also hammer is supposed to be “balanced all around”

Not best at anything

[sharp owl]

Like morally

[wicked solstice]

Unfortunately it actually is best at everything overall

[sharp owl]

Honestly

The bat feels like a mini sledge

It can also do everything

Just more finicky with big lads

[wicked solstice]

Bat is the only weapon my squad regularly takes other than hammer, mostly to deal with biggos

[wicked solstice]

Nah

It staggers so hard

They can’t do shit

[sharp owl]

Hm

Ok

[wicked solstice]

Bat has 5x stagger on all attacks

Hammer has like 3 base 5 charges

[sharp owl]

Idk how stagger is calculated

[wicked solstice]

Enemy has stagger hp

[sharp owl]

Oh it's per enemy

[wicked solstice]

Once they take enough damage equal to stagger hp they stagger

I think

[sharp owl]

Enough stagger dmg

[wicked solstice]

Bat damage counts 5x as much when counted for stagger

[sharp owl]

Or regular damage

Whichever is higher

Probably

So 12*5=60 stagger hp

On a bat

That's a lot of stagger

[latent palm]

POLICE

ON THE GAWD DAMN GROUND NOW

[sharp owl]

Does stagger duration depend on enemy again

[odd fox]

Had a cheater in our lobby. lol

[latent palm]

name?

[sharp owl]

Pablo

[sharp owl]

no depends on damage done or limb broken

[latent palm]

and or any recorded cheats?

[sharp owl]

there is soft and hard stagger

[eternal canyon]

Ai povo, algum br para jogar??

[odd fox]

Spawned in loads of trash and giants at the start of R1D1, and slogged server connection as well

[latent palm]

can you send us in DM the record (if have?)

[sharp owl]

So wait.

To stagger, i need stagger dmg

But the duration of the stagger is calculated from regular damage?

[odd fox]

I don't have a recording

[latent palm]

DM it to @foggy plank

[odd fox]

after we wiped, the left the lobby and voice chat

[woeful ivy]

looking for a prisoner to do R1D1

[sharp owl]

no there is a specific amount of damage that needs to be done in order to stagger

Yes

Stagger damage

its either hard or soft not incremental

How does each work

[latent palm]

why are u askin this

you never gonna learn it in game lol

[sharp owl]

Because it's important

[latent palm]

shove OP

[sharp owl]

for giants you can do 70% charge to the back and stagger em or break any limb for guaranteed stagger

[latent palm]

for any monsters

[sharp owl]

that ofc can change depending on the stagger value of the melee you have

[latent palm]

its limb destruction = stagger

[sharp owl]

No I know that

I mean like what's the duration of each stagger

Soft and hard

[latent palm]

1.5s

giants are gonna be hard stagger i guess

[sharp owl]

For all enemies it's 1.5s on hard?

[latent palm]

hybirds get out of stagger easier

[latent palm]

its literally 2s or even more on a giant

[lone wraith]

Enough time to fully charge spear/hammer

[latent palm]

with smalls if light taps you get 0.5 stagger

and limb or stagger hp reached

it gets almost 2s of stagger

noticeable by the falling backwards animations

and or shaking their heads, body if its a soft stagger/shove

[sharp owl]

does bat stagger giants from the front?

[latent palm]

not that i know of

cause literally anyone with no hammer

gonna try to sneak up or juke it to hit from behind

[sharp owl]

Yes

It would seem that a full charge isn't even necessary

[lone wraith]

🤔

[sharp owl]

66% charge should do it

Well the bat deals 12 dmg

5x stagger

60 stagger on full charge

Frank has 40 stagger hp

40 is 66% of 60

So you need 66% charge

(not actually because it starts at 3 damage and not zero but whatever this is close enough you get the point,)

It's also very funny that the bat is better at destroying locks than the sledge

Idk who made that decision

[junior latch]

thats just its environmental bonus

[junior latch]

And also cuz dmg to charge% isnt linear

[sharp owl]

It isn't?

That's messed up.

[sharp owl]

Yeah the sledge is the one that deserves the 5x

Not the bat

[junior latch]

?

deserves eh

[sharp owl]

That's literally the sledgehammers indented use case and it gets outclassed by the bat

Makes no sense

[high ruin]

It's a balancing decision. They don't want to make the hammer the best (even though a lot would argue it is).

[sharp owl]

Is one tapping locks really gonna affect weapon balancing

[junior latch]

a sledge would realistically out damage all other weapons by a lot

[sharp owl]

I would disagree

[junior latch]

i mean it exists and has value

[sharp owl]

I think IRL the spear would do most

[junior latch]

no

[sharp owl]

I guess it depends on what you hit

[junior latch]

a sledge hammer hit will break bones with no sweat

a sledge just smushes a human lol

[high ruin]

I mean hammer can still 2-tap locks which isn't horrible. Prior to R6 the hammers then I think were 4 taps to locks (might need to double check)?

[sharp owl]

Yeah and a spear will kebab your skull no probs

[junior latch]

a spear will be lethal easily

[junior latch]

you need to aim and lunge well with strong force for it to do that, otherwise you most likely just cut the face open

[sharp owl]

i think that you might not be able to get the sledgehammer moving quickly enough IRL

a knife for cutting throats

The knife would be dogshit irl against sleepers

[junior latch]

that wasnt the point when arguing dmg

obviously a sledge would be slow

[junior latch]

Depends on anatomy of the tissue

[sharp owl]

Yeah i meant that this would affect its damage

The slowness

[junior latch]

if their head is more baloon like then it works

[sharp owl]

If their body is baloon then just

Throw a pin at it

[junior latch]

Nah
Lifting is the slow part. Once it ups gravity + human acceleration is OMPH

[sharp owl]

Nail launcher

[sharp owl]

nailgun in gtfo

Instant s tier

[sharp owl]

you were quicker 😔

Im the better variant

nailgun sentry

[latent palm]

but i come out on top

[sharp owl]

I remain unconvinced

I honestly don't think that the average prisoner could swing with enough force at a standing sleeper mush it's skull

speaking of sentries, why is auto sentry so ammo inefficient

?

It would kinda push it out of the way instead of smashing it

[junior latch]

Lol
Any normal human can crush another humans head with a sledge

[sharp owl]

blows your head with a rail gun

[junior latch]

You underestimate how dangerous even a small hammer is

[sharp owl]

But sleepers sre stronk

[junior latch]

Why do you think that?

[latent palm]

Counter with a nail gun magnet from ULTRAKILL

[junior latch]

they are tiny

giants yes

[sharp owl]

I would be more afraid of a small hammer than a sledgehammer

[last parrot]

plus these guys are engineered to be good in combat

[sharp owl]

we need a small hammer, and ryan gosling's drive 2011 jacket

A normal hammer can make a hole in your skull

[wicked solstice]

Bro the skulls literally have a massive fissure in them

For the teeth

[junior latch]

A sledge is so fucking dangerous so that dodging it is the only play

[sharp owl]

[high ruin]

It's full auto at 750 rpm. It's very niche in that it does low damage but staggers well. It's for high enemy density like surge alarms or when you just need to keep enemies away from you for long enough.

[sharp owl]

A small hammer has a much higher velocity and a concentrated force

The sledgehammer has a wider contact area and slower velocity, it may push your skull out of the way more than it crushes it

[latent palm]

[junior latch]

for a small hammer tanking a hit for injury but taking the weapon away, is probably smarter

[sharp owl]

so it's stinky

[sharp owl]

More mass with speed more damage done

falls into the nuh uh weapon category

[junior latch]

Higher velocity: yea
Concentrated force, eh. A knife technically has more than a hammer, is it thus more deadly?

[sharp owl]

A 2 ton car travelling at 3kph can't hurt you

[junior latch]

You also heavily heavily underrstimate the sledgehammer speed

[sharp owl]

Even though it's massive

3kph isn't speed

sledge doesn't look that heavy

[high ruin]

I wouldn't advise as a general loadout. Burst is kind of the universal one when going into a level blind.

[sharp owl]

This is the entire lynchpin of my concern i just am not sure thr average person has the power to swing it that vigorously

[junior latch]

ive worked with things that pretty safely resemble the sledge in this game

lifting it up takes a few seconds. But i can swing it down hard and fast

[sharp owl]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/602077288296742913/1114962825912262878/caption-44.gif

Relevant

An average person can kill with sledge

[sharp owl]

fucking gravity helps at swinging it down

[wicked solstice]

Exactly

[junior latch]

yup

a small hammer is a melee weapon

a sledge is a weapon of destruction

you CRUSH things. At minimum you hardcore dent stuff

[sharp owl]

it itself should be heavy enough to fall on a sleeper's head and delete it, not mentioning the help of the human swinging it

[high ruin]

No one ever mentions how the sledge has a crowbar on the other end of it.

[sharp owl]

I do

[junior latch]

like, we hit pürckhauers into very solid soil with that shit with no force at all

You think a accelerated power hit is smth a head can just „get pushed away by“

[sharp owl]

It's very cool

[wicked solstice]

How do you think they open beer bottles?

[sharp owl]

Sledge is a miniature version of mjollnir (not Mcu nerds)

[sharp owl]

The other thing is that you can only push as hard against the head as it can resist your push

[junior latch]

The reason why heavy sledge isnt super practical is cuz once you miss you would need to re-lift it up

[sharp owl]

You're not hitting a solid wall

The head will move away from the swing

Bones aren't as strong as you think

[sharp owl]

they fucking swing it downwards

AAAAA

it crushes the head on its body

Bro you took physics classes or what

Yes i did

I'm an engineer

™️

[junior latch]

even if you swing from the side, the neck just fucking gets broken

[sharp owl]

I find it hard to believe

We didn't study skull shattering

[junior latch]

Pathetic (jk)

[sharp owl]

It's actually gonna be my thesis

[burnt flume]

it was like, 10 light taps to break a lock

[sharp owl]

Anyway

[burnt flume]

but I'm fairly certain there's no sound difference between light and heavy taps so it doesn't matter

[sharp owl]

The sledge can insta kill you to the head

[junior latch]

it shouldve been 4 pachi no?

[sharp owl]

we need bare fists as melee

Sledge needs to one tap locks, thanks for coming to my ted talk

[junior latch]

4 base dmg right?

[wicked solstice]

No

[burnt flume]

I will load into old r4 or r5 and tap a lock live on stream for you

[wicked solstice]

It does not need more power

[sharp owl]

Why not

[wicked solstice]

This

[sharp owl]

This is hardly more power, it's about feel

[sharp owl]

rule 13 says: nuh uh

[wicked solstice]

That’s bat’s thing rn

[junior latch]

if we want realistic weapons and melee then balance goes out the window

[wicked solstice]

yes

[sharp owl]

Yes cuz that's soo immersive

I'm not asking for realism in everything

[burnt flume]

rule 13 only applies if a moderator/administrator stops me, this is for science and not anything malicious

[wicked solstice]

Idc ab immersion

[junior latch]

pachi could also simply not stream it here :|

[sharp owl]

You should

[junior latch]

Oy

immersion is cool

[wicked solstice]

I mean kinda

[sharp owl]

theres no trollface emoji on this serve 😢

[wicked solstice]

But i will prioritize balance

[junior latch]

but its not the first factor if its small ass stuff

[burnt flume]

my r4e1 solo screenshots got deleted from this server :(

[wicked solstice]

[sharp owl]

Ok to balance out the immense power of breaking a lock in one tap give the sledge more charge up time

1.9s

Done

Game fixed

[wicked solstice]

nah bro

[sharp owl]

Immersion restored

[junior latch]

nah

[wicked solstice]

It already has longest charge time

[sharp owl]

stupid ass changes

[sharp owl]

By 0.05 seconds

[junior latch]

hammer needs reduced stagger multi

but guess what

[wicked solstice]

Yeah

[junior latch]

that would break immersion aswell

[sharp owl]

spear has lower charge time?

[wicked solstice]

It won’t change anything tbh

[sharp owl]

It's tied with the spear

[wicked solstice]

Nah it’s slightly longer

[junior latch]

Reduced stagger will be a strong nerf tho?

[wicked solstice]

Very small tho

[sharp owl]

2 frames

bruh

[wicked solstice]

Actually true

[sharp owl]

Who cares

spear is alr bad

[wicked solstice]

You have to think when hitting gigant

[burnt flume]

I have long since said it

fuck bullshit stagger hammer

[junior latch]

bat is fixed by hammer stagger being nerfed pretty much

[wicked solstice]

yeaahhh

[junior latch]

spear just sucks

it needs like 3-4 buffs

[wicked solstice]

:( yeah

[junior latch]

or rather

[sharp owl]

Let spear sprint

[junior latch]

2-3 buffs and 1-2 bug fixed

[sharp owl]

bugs?

[junior latch]

stamina related

[sharp owl]

Give spear knockback

[junior latch]

spear uniquely sucks for stamina things

actually uses more stam than other melees

[sharp owl]

(after R7D1 i don't expect much of this game lmao)

[junior latch]

or rather makes stam useage worse

[sharp owl]

Actually if you let spear sprint it might be too strong because of the range and late hits

[junior latch]

No

the stats still suck

[sharp owl]

Cmooon they doin their best

[junior latch]

sprint would just make it less dogshit

[sharp owl]

spring + remove late hits

It's not dogshit

[junior latch]

it is lol

[sharp owl]

then, when using spear we drop in on a horse

It's just worse than the hammer

[junior latch]

by like 10 things!!!

hell bat is better overall

knife obviously is a small killer so very different

spear is ass

[burnt flume]

I have found a lock, I have not touched said lock, what do I do now

[sharp owl]

spear is for cavemen

Spear is like bud light
Ain't no one taking that unless they're gay

Spear is usable

[sharp owl]

NUH UH

[burnt flume]

there is absolutely nothing wrong with being gay
taking spear however, that's a different story

[sharp owl]

Hammer does better

Yes

[burnt flume]

wait wtf is it actually 4 taps

I swear it was more

[sharp owl]

spear is for cavemen

[burnt flume]

have I mandela effected myself or some shit

[sharp owl]

as in

good thing

[burnt flume]

this can't be real, there's no way I've been wrong for years

[sharp owl]

you can reenact homo habilis using their first tools when using spear

[sharp owl]

Back then when people called you gay for anything that's what

[high ruin]

4 feels like 10 cause 4-tapping a lock with the only melee weapon in the game at the time feels like an eternity.

[junior latch]

1. no sprint
2. 1Awful breakpoints (precision multi legit needed to draw even at best with hammer for bigs). 2.2 Exact same hit count for smalls as bat
3. shove actually increases stamina since it stops stamina regen to set in
4. light taps stop stamina regen out of combat ????
5. no fucking stagger (worse than bat and hammer by a lot)
6. environmental dmg MEME
7. slow charge time + high stam usage (even with hammer, but worse than bat here)

And all that for?

• extra range WOOOOOH

[junior latch]

Shocker. Its still dogshit

litteraly better to take anything else for combat unless its purely giants and you only take knifes

[junior latch]

Math checks out :p

[sharp owl]

for extra range and for the worthy

spear was designed for the hardcore gtfo experience

it's shit to artificiality increase the difficulty

It definitely sucks when something goes wrong

[junior latch]

it also sucks in stealth compared to the others

[sharp owl]

No stagger and no sprint makes cleaning up impossible

You can't go wrong with hammer it's too good

Why

[junior latch]

no sprint limits options

no stagger also means harder stealth take downs

[sharp owl]

Why are you sprinting in stealth

Fast stealth

[junior latch]

the breakpoints make kills again shittier

[sharp owl]

You're gonna be one shotting em

[junior latch]

Also scout takedowns

[flat perch]

who doesnt? 🙂

[junior latch]

Giants?

lol

[sharp owl]

You won't be walking or crouching when you get used to the game

[sharp owl]

Limbs?

real mfs use spear heavy smg and precision rifle

And it's safer ecks dee?

[sharp owl]

Stop

[sharp owl]

He knows what's up

[robust gull]

auto pistol worse by a mile because you actively 9/11 team's accuracy

think, man

[sharp owl]

They hated Jesus because he told them the truth

🙏

[sharp owl]

Its supposed to be a hard-core game not a baby hand holding

Are you seriously gonna pull that card

[junior latch]

When limb breaks only work 4 times :>

[sharp owl]

Universally accepted lie becomes truth

[robust gull]

also knife worse than spear as soon as you get out of a-b tier levels

charger and giant spam BABYYYY

[sharp owl]

Let teammates deal with them

[junior latch]

Id argue the niche just gets smaller

Its definetly better to take a single knife over a spear

[sharp owl]

You only need 3 sledgehammers in the back

[junior latch]

similar to sniper in that matter

[rough robin]

if you have teammates backing you up you can afford a knife easily