gtfo-chat

[trim sail]

Btw, where did your team place the sniper sentries ?

[terse shadow]

I go 3 hours in R2D1 with bots then die at the end

[spice stone]

Usually just cov ring doors and areas we retreat to, can’t remember exact areas atm

[trim sail]

sr i accidentally laughed

[terse shadow]

aaaaaa

[spice stone]

we don’t usually alert the scouts and try and sneak through it, is that the play?

[trim sail]

as long as you managed to get the code, it's all good

but there's quite some resources in that room which you can loot

so i'd prefer to kill all of the scouts

[spice stone]

Yea normally we sneak around and kill the scouts by the time that’s done however we normally run out of time and have to do the next wave

Should we just do that?

[trim sail]

do what ?

i think the reason why your team is behind schedule, is because of the remaining scouts that caught your attention

[spice stone]

We usually spend too much time sneaking around not alerting them

[trim sail]

so i suggest to rush the first few scouts in the first area, then go together to the next area (area B) and cover each other while finding the terminal

[spice stone]

Alright, will try

Thanks

[trim sail]

even if you alert the scouts

you can still defend agains the wave

but try to kill at least 2-3 of them

[spice stone]

Appreciate it

[trim sail]

if you notice, the left door to area B in that scout room

is a really good choke point for defending

in case you accidentally wake up any scouts

boy talking about r2d2 makes me want to play this level again...

[mint light]

Just kill em, way faster than sneaking

[stone marten]

Been stuck on that one but got really close last attempt. Accidentally woke the scout and it screwed us. How are the sniper sentries working out for youm my team is using 3 bursts and a bio

[karmic hull]

For killing a scout i just run at him with full charge and hit on head?

[lone wraith]

If it is a hammer yeah

[karmic hull]

ok

ty

[trim sail]

if anyone needs help with r2d2, i can play along and give some advices

[karmic hull]

Fog is so realistic lmao

[fickle cedar]

how do I make a post? I don't know what to do lol

But I do wanna do R1D1

[stone marten]

Look in the pins of the lfg channel

[fickle cedar]

okie

[leaden idol]

Is there any info about the release of r6?

[fickle cedar]

I think I did it right

[serene berry]

yes

[serene berry]

no

[analog flicker]

[serene berry]

[tiny robin]

whats a good gun

[serene berry]

the drekker

[tiny robin]

is it automatic or a shotgun or a sniper or a revolver or a pistol?

[livid gulch]

FN FAL

[latent palm]

Pdw

Pea shooter

But its so gud

[rough robin]

peas made of solid titanium

[lone wraith]

Built like a airsoft gun

[livid gulch]

takes it in the ass like an airsoft gun

[split onyx]

How to shot just one bullet burst cannon?

[knotty bobcat]

You can't afaik
They patched out the burst cancelling

[split onyx]

i see

[sharp owl]

theres a mod that lets you do that

[split onyx]

change from burst to single?

[junior latch]

no

theres a way

[sharp owl]

allows you to burst cancel

[junior latch]

you gotta start picking up sentry/climbing ladder etc before starting burst

[split onyx]

must do before every cancel?

[junior latch]

yes

just dont cancel

whyd you even think of cancelling?

[split onyx]

it fun

[latent palm]

Well

Can’t argue with that

[edgy karma]

Hello everyone

[fallen sparrow]

can someone invite me?

😳

[wispy bluff]

Where?

If we're talking lobbies - try LFG

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[analog flicker]

Would there still be a reason to burst cancel with 19 dmg though?

And the amount of recoil it has

[trim sail]

i miss the good old days, back in the original rundown 4...

[wispy bluff]

Probably not

I think i saw with an edge of my eyes how aproximately it worked and it oneshot kills? Yeah, that was amazing

Hm. Although maybe if you could reliably aim for heads - you could still do it

And recoil doesn't matter for one taps anyway

[analog flicker]

Imagine

Burst cancelling to headshot a striker

If I wanted reliable headshot kills on strikers/shooters. I'd just take revolver

[little ridge]

Even "without" Burst cancelling everyone was using BC a lot before damage/recoil nerf simply because it offered a lot of value and decent enough versatility

Even if you did 1 burst in a chokepoint and ended up killing 3 strikers out of 5 shots that was decent enough

[sharp owl]

multi purpose gun

[surreal plaza]

Is there a lore reason as to why there aren't any tool refills in r5c2

What did the shadows eat them all

[burnt flume]

Issues with the suppliers, probably

Increased prices by the retailers meant the people couldn't afford the tool refill :)

[surreal plaza]

I'm still imagining how the supplies in locker got down there

Like picture a lab guy in the facility opening a closet to get a burette and he just find a hiker's grade flashlight in there

[burnt flume]

Going to the dispensary to get your syringe full of medicine only to find that the jackasses have strewn them all across every which way and room so they don't have to walk as far

[surreal plaza]

Pills here

When frag and incendiary ammo boxes dev

[edgy karma]

how to use gamepad in this game?

xinput controller

[bleak pilot]

the game only has partial controller support
it should work ingame but in the menus and while using terminals mouse and keyboard is required

but you should question yourself why you would use a controller for a shooter :D

[latent palm]

Vr GTFO

[bleak pilot]

i tried that once
nothing i would do again XD

[latent palm]

Btw i guess im a Hel rifle guy now

[last parrot]

hel rifle is good

i love hel rifle

[junior latch]

hel rifle is

[bleak pilot]

the hel gun cult is welcoming its new member

[sharp owl]

hel rifle better than choke

[latent palm]

Out of 7 dives i pick it 5 times now

Man the penetration is nutty

[junior latch]

depends

you rly need its pen usually to have it outperform choke

[latent palm]

I carried a few hard wipes with some 5kills/shot

[bleak pilot]

everything in this game has a use, except for smg and heavy smg which are just bad in every situation compared to pdw

[latent palm]

Smg is gud

[last parrot]

there are a few expeditions i know with chargers and thin corridors

[junior latch]

[last parrot]

and then its just top tier

[latent palm]

The heavy smg is straight up trash

[bleak pilot]

troll confirmed

[sharp owl]

just 2 is more than enough for me 💦

[last parrot]

hel gun quad kill

[junior latch]

heavy smg is not as bad as some people think

its bad

[latent palm]

Troll (pdw lover)

[junior latch]

but it actually has ok dmg (same as pdw) and very good ammo efficiency (in theory)

[latent palm]

Thermal scope

[junior latch]

thermal has upsides and downsides

upsides just are more obvious

[latent palm]

I mean u can hip fire

[junior latch]

yes, otherwise pdw would be a bit worse

lol

[latent palm]

Dontchu do my boi pea shooter dirty

[junior latch]

nah, im saying heavy smg is somewhat better than people think

[latent palm]

But it still bad

[junior latch]

its pdw - 7 bullets/mag (big weakness)
no thermal (up/downside, more downside for hsmg tho)
worse reload (pdw reload cracked)
But more ammo/refill

imo its prob a tier above bullpup/smg

[latent palm]

True

[junior latch]

you rly just gotta play around mag size

or

play pdw

[latent palm]

25 in mag

[bleak pilot]

its not bad, its just worse than everything else

[junior latch]

better than bullpup and smg

debatable vs helpp, machine pp and AR honestly

hel pp has stagger as its unique strength tho

[latent palm]

Thats why its bad

But anyone can cook

[junior latch]

honestly machine pp will see a rise in usage (awful clear% tho) cuz its prob the best death% speedgun

[latent palm]

Im just saying that I genuinely suck and get absolutely pummeled

For using it

[bleak pilot]

bullpup atleast is like a lasergun with no recoil
machine pistol is nice if you have a horde of enemies comming at you but need more range than hel shotty

[junior latch]

They rly shouldve just made it a slow firing auto special

[latent palm]

I mean

Bullpup would be much used

[junior latch]

bullpup has bad dmg, awful recoil and its firerate is bad when you arent omega cracked or shooting bigs

[latent palm]

If it had reload cancel

[junior latch]

… you know machine pp has the same range as hel shotty?

[junior latch]

It would be FINE not good

[latent palm]

With a slightly less cancerous reload

[junior latch]

prob 2nd best full auto

[bleak pilot]

i can make more use of the machine pistol than the hel shotty in most situations

[latent palm]

Thats why it a newbie approached gun

You hold down m1 and just bang

[junior latch]

Thats seems more like a hel shotty skill issue then

[latent palm]

I mean

[bleak pilot]

could be XD

[latent palm]

If im gonna be honest

If i bring hel shotgun

[junior latch]

hel shotty is held back by its range (plus spread which wouldnt work at high range duh) from being triple S tier

[latent palm]

Im definitely bringing the combat shotty with it

[junior latch]

machine pp range (and spread) holds it back from being … B/A tier?

[junior latch]

Battle cruiser loadout

One of my favs if i have someone deal with shooters

r2e1 loadout of gods

[bleak pilot]

if thats the case than hel gun is quadruple S tier

[latent palm]

Times ago when i heard some1 said “1 mag of machinepp kill 1 giant”

[bleak pilot]

[latent palm]

The 11 strikers behind it:

[junior latch]

hel gun is S right now

[latent palm]

[bleak pilot]

how dare you defy my religion?

[junior latch]

hel shotty is fringe S due to specific usecases holding it back (behind hel revo/carbine)

Also these are in context to main/special obviously. Hel revo is far worse than revo stat wise

[latent palm]

@junior latch would you rather

[junior latch]

PR oneshots giants!

[latent palm]

Do a gun only run or a mele only run?

[junior latch]

ive done both

[latent palm]

On randomized tiles and loadouts

[junior latch]

also tool only (only auto sentry)

[latent palm]

I haven’t finished

[junior latch]

You mean jish rando?

[latent palm]

Ye

[junior latch]

that ones fucked

[latent palm]

But I managed

On R4E1

[bleak pilot]

you need help

[latent palm]

But the bugged

[junior latch]

dont think you can avoid gun only unless you perma kite lol

[latent palm]

Made us redo

[junior latch]

You think THAT is why i need help?

[latent palm]

I mean if ur fre then we can try to do R4E1 (rando)

[junior latch]

do you even know what i do in this game

[bleak pilot]

death% speedruns

[junior latch]

thats part of it

[bleak pilot]

[junior latch]

ill do duo speed runs with bread later

[latent palm]

Imagine R4E1 data center

[junior latch]

R4E1 but its only desert tiles

[latent palm]

Hey im just pokin

Asking for ur time

[junior latch]

14 hours of tutorial speed

[latent palm]

Hmm

How long would yall think

To do lawless% full game

I think atleast 6-9 hrs?

[junior latch]

no boosters id guess?

[bleak pilot]

and all sanity i have left

[latent palm]

I mean lawless as in you have no restrictions

At all

[junior latch]

Lawless barely if at all speeds up levels

since we dont have out of bounds stuff rn

[latent palm]

It really does

[junior latch]

eh let me see real quick

if we take wr times as rough estimates and say you have boosters (rough takes here) to speed stuff up. And say only main only

50 min R1
1h 45 min R2
1 hour R3
R4 should be at least 2 hours or more
R5 is also at absolute minimum 2 hours, probably 3+
R6 is a lot of time. Also 3+ hours at least
R7 is also 2+ hours

even if you take my low low balls its at least 12+ hours

and thats main only not with PEs

[knotty bobcat]

So hsmg is basically just a more ammo efficient but less immediate effective pdw?

[elfin osprey]

nah

its a worst verson of pdw

pdw is stupid

but its good

[knotty bobcat]

I mean
I hear PDW is just the best version of all the ''smg types'' but there's gotta be some difference between em?
pdw is the only one i like, i hate all others

[sharp owl]

pdw is the best

[elfin osprey]

carbine

[knotty bobcat]

Is carbine a smg type tho

I think its more of a.. carbine type

[elfin osprey]

burst smg

[sharp owl]

yes

[elfin osprey]

carbine is a sub machine gun with burst fire mode

[knotty bobcat]

My joke aws funny

[wispy bluff]

Eh. Hard to say. GTFO doesn't really seem to understand guns.

Carbines are usually just assault rifles with shortened barrels for easier use in tight environments (like vehicles, for example).
Its basically a compromise when you want something small like an SMG but want a proper rifle caliber for maximum damage.
Something like G36-C

[knotty bobcat]

I know what a carbine is

[elfin osprey]

hmm

[knotty bobcat]

the joke is that the gun's called carbine

[wispy bluff]

With how little damage the so called "Carbine" does it should be just called "Burst SMG"

But GTFO be GTFO'ing

[knotty bobcat]

but isn't a carbine

[tidal jay]

You mean the Van-Auken GTFO Carbine Class weapon?

[knotty bobcat]

From what I can tell it's chambered in pistol rounds

[sharp owl]

is the p90 a carbine

[junior latch]

the ammo efficiency difference is so marginal that you wont even realize it pretty much

[minor flower]

Есть новые игроки для совместки в гтфо?

[forest veldt]

Есть люди для совместки?

[wispy bluff]

No, its just a very chonky SMG. Technically it should be a PDW, i believe?

[sharp owl]

then i need some under the 2A

[analog flicker]

M4...

[analog flicker]

PDWs use like pistol caliber rifle cartridges

More range effectiveness /penetration/accuracy than an SMG

I prefer the

"What's your defense against the recent stabbings?"
"I have a MP7"

Though PDWs bullets are typically less aerodynamic

[knotty bobcat]

The P90 is a SMG since it fires pistol calibre
PDWs are SMGs that fire rifle calibres (basically, there's a bit more to it iirc)

Also apperantly. Carbine is a qualification of a rifle, meaning the barrel has been shortened from the original model.
M4 is a carbine, as it has a shorter barrel compared to the M16.

So if the carbine ingame is an actual carbine (rifle with shorter barrel), or a smg, idk.

[sharp owl]

5.7x28 p90 🤤

[knotty bobcat]

The tiniest of bullets.

[rough robin]

carbine does high damage for a burst/auto type, wdym?

[analog flicker]

That's the thing. P90 is part of both worlds.

And 5.7x 28mm is basically a miniature rifle cartridge

[analog flicker]

They were referring more so it should be called a burst smg rather than called a Carbine

But iirc. Burst rifle and carbines damages aren't very different aside from ranges

At least damage per burst

[knotty bobcat]

NATO designated it a PDW but it's by all means a smg due to the pistol rounds for the majority of people. ''A submachine gun (SMG) is a magazine-fed automatic carbine designed to fire handgun cartridges''

Though of course NATO being NATO wanted a special ammo type that is basically a small rifle calibre, then put it in a SMG, calls it a PDW, and then used the same type in a handgun (FN Five Seven).

Tbh tho, the definition between PDW and SMG is nearly entirely arbitrary and at most times just comes up to whatever the Manufacture wants to call it

if they wanna call it a PDW, it is, if they wanna call it a SMG, then it is, hell if they wanna call it both, sure why not

Does NATO actually establish SMG to be an official terminology?
I think NATO sticks to PDW for near everything that's 1. smaller than a rifle. 2. bigger than a pistol

[warm ibex]

Lemmie read this . One sec.

[knotty bobcat]

No, turn on text to speech and listen instead

[analog flicker]

[warm ibex]

Nah. Im texan. I need the reading time.

[knotty bobcat]

I'll be waiting. I love arguing about arbitrary definitions that differ from organisations and manufacturers, and sometimes even year.

Especially when it comes to guns that Quack like a duck, walk like a duck, and looks like a duck, but is actually a turkey

Hold on imma ask my buddy friendo guy that goes to school for this shit

[warm ibex]

So, carbines are reduced in size typically to update an outdated design for a new situation without swapping out the entire weapon system. Pdw and smg are not just interchangeable it ends up being a weird ven diagram of “what is a rifle” “what is an smg” “what is a pistol” and “what is a pdw” the only two really mutually exclusive ones being rifle and pistol but that intersects with the others and its a whole mess. I hope you know reading this shit and trying to form a rational and legitimate response after just waking up is all im doing for the next hour.

[knotty bobcat]

[warm ibex]

P90 isnt a rifle caliber its pistol caliber. Its usually for defending a vip which makes it a pdw more than an smg as its favored for its compact size and ability to be concealed rather than its all out firepower with a small caliber

[knotty bobcat]

From the best I can understand NATO's defintion of PDW. It's more so a -role- the gun fullfills. And less about what the gun itself actually is.

[quasi bay]

does searching for a random game not work that much?

[warm ibex]

No use matchmaking in the server

[analog flicker]

5.7 x 28mm is a pistol caliber rifle round.

[wispy bluff]

Doesn't P90 use some custom caliber that's like a middle ground between canonical pistols like GLOCKs and full blown rifles?

But then again P90 also came with Five Seven - a pistol that also was supposed to use the same custom caliber.

Which... Yeah, that technically make P90 an SMG too in a round-about way.

[quasi bay]

sorry?

[wispy bluff]

In-game matchamaking technically works, but is used by no one. 99% of the players use local LFG channels.

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[warm ibex]

#lfg

[quasi bay]

ohhhhh okay thank you, i just didnt understand what was meant at first

[warm ibex]

Like i said, weird ven diagram of whats what

[knotty bobcat]

It uses what's essentially a .22 caliber, just slightly bigger. The bullet is the same size as a pistol round, and is even used in a pistol. It's by all means a pistol cartride shaped like a rifle cartridge
5.7 vs 5.6 (22 cal). The bullet just looks like a rifle round because it's pointy, compared to most rounded pistol bullets (like 9mm). If you wanna call that a middle ground, sure.

Point was that Nato wanted something the same size as a pistol round, but as aerodynamic as a rifle round. So the 5.7 was born. ((iirc))

[wispy bluff]

Neat

EIther way the project kinda failed in terms of wide adoption

[warm ibex]

Kinda, 5.7 has increased powder charge than a 22 aswell

[knotty bobcat]

Ah.

Didnt they also re-do the cartidge like 3 times?

[warm ibex]

Yes

[knotty bobcat]

Made it smaller and whatnot else

[warm ibex]

I think

Its a pain in the ass to find btw

[knotty bobcat]

They made the bullet slightly shorter, that I know.

[warm ibex]

Not a good ammo type to use usually

[wispy bluff]

What is the most common type again 556 or what?

[knotty bobcat]

Since there was a massive issue during that entire change between the 2 cartridges
Cuz the old was designated SS90 or something, and the new was designated SS190

The mags were identical
Bullets were not
Soldiers constantly loaded the wrong old ammo into new guns meant for the SS190

[warm ibex]

5.56 or .22

[knotty bobcat]

For rifles, 556 Nato yeah

For pistols its .22

Like Ozai said

[wispy bluff]

Huh

Funny that

[knotty bobcat]

I thiiiiink 9mm was the old standard

but they changed it for .22 for some or another reason

[warm ibex]

9mm is second most common for pistols

.22 is super common not in military but civilian

[wispy bluff]

The Rifle is literally called Drekker 556 and assuming its meant to be its' caliber for real - its funny to think that it deals 2 times the damage of any other so called assault rifle

[warm ibex]

In terms of military it’s definitely gotta be 9mm

[wispy bluff]

But of course that's probably just gameplay and balancing

But then why call it 556... You literally didn't had to do that

Another small issue with the game found, on the imaginary list it goes

[warm ibex]

5.56 hits fast and rips things appart. 7.62 is more blunt and does alotta impact damage

[knotty bobcat]

oooh wait im thinking of .22 calibre rifles not pistols

[warm ibex]

I dont think so, second most common rifle round is 7.62

Followed by .223 and .300 blackout

300 blackout is more of a dmr round tho

[meager sleet]

they should add picks in this game and a cheer on the v key

[knotty bobcat]

7.62 nato, not to be confused with it's 'red' brother :]

[warm ibex]

Depends

[meager sleet]

remind me what dmr abbreviation stands for?

[knotty bobcat]

I'm just assuming the russian military's most common rifle round is their 7.62

[warm ibex]

Russian 7.62 is quite common due to the reliability and price of russian firearms

[knotty bobcat]

Designated Marksman Rifle

[warm ibex]

Or their 5.56 clone round

[meager sleet]

perfect. i stand for the dmr 🫡

[warm ibex]

Its not 5.56 but its made to do the same thing

[knotty bobcat]

Probably

[knotty bobcat]

5.45

''yeah you can copy homework but change it a little so the teacher doesnt know you copied''

[sharp owl]

109775243681304166

We search for one player

[meager sleet]

i agree

[sharp owl]

alt 1 first map

[meager sleet]

you should probably put that in the lfg channel

[warm ibex]

Hey bubba

Post it in the lfg beginners chat

Ill give you a link

#lfg-beginners

Along with a link to your vc

And the level that you’re playing

[sharp owl]

Yes i did but iam not able to send more

[warm ibex]

Just make it one message

Not multiple

[knotty bobcat]

That's because there's slowdown enable, put it all in one message

you can also just edit your message

[sharp owl]

how long do i have to wait

[warm ibex]

Shouldnt you be in bed bud

[knotty bobcat]

Whatever the clock says

[knotty bobcat]

yes

[warm ibex]

Go to sleep then

[sharp owl]

Bro iam 20

[knotty bobcat]

:[

[warm ibex]

Im not talkin to you

[knotty bobcat]

and I am 22 yet here I am being told to go to bed

[warm ibex]

G go play the game

[sharp owl]

okay sorry

[knotty bobcat]

[warm ibex]

Go to sleep

[knotty bobcat]

FIen

[warm ibex]

Its bedtime for bottoms.

[sharp owl]

is one of you guy able to support us?

its the first map

[warm ibex]

I can in like an hourish

I got driving lessons rn

[sharp owl]

okay

[knotty bobcat]

How'd you know

[warm ibex]

Im good at my job.

[knotty bobcat]

Well damn

[visual jungle]

Yellow is go faster

[warm ibex]

Bet

[sharp owl]

will you cover his insurance for this month

[visual jungle]

no

I've been advised to add a disclaimer my advice is a joke

[warm ibex]

Too late

[sharp owl]

disclaimer im not covering your insurance for this one

[warm ibex]

Disclaimer im blaming you in the courts

[naive bobcat]

bro I just got wasted 💀

[meager sleet]

bro did not

hack the locker successfully

[lone wraith]

The only two high-stake locker hack situation I've been in was in front of a sleeping mother and in between 4 giants

[rough robin]

gotta get those glow sticks

[lone wraith]

ye

Its for my +33% glowstick power -17% infection resistance booster

[forest veldt]

Есть русские в гтфо ?

[wispy bluff]

Есть русский сервер где-то среди #hc-europe

[forest veldt]

а сам?

[wispy bluff]

Лень

[steep hedge]

need 2 for R1B2 got lobby code in matchmake chat

[rose nova]

i guess spoils but it does, and i think people said u should do sec first to get rid of the hazard and then do HSU to like do the level as usual
...
i think

i might b wrong

[junior widget]

oops osrry i moved it to spoil chat

thank u tho

[rose nova]

um nono

i mean we can comment this here n stuff

but i mean spoilers for u, cause i guess ur going in blind

[junior widget]

yah but idgaf about them i just want to win

[rose nova]

:[

[livid gulch]

skill issue

[lone wraith]

I see a new player I met yesterday playing R5E1 today 💀

They grow up fast

[analog flicker]

very few grow that quickly tbh

[livid gulch]

dude went from R1A1 to R5E1 in a day

his brain must be massive

[lone wraith]

He also owns birds

[midnight bison]

Extra Wrinkles

[lone wraith]

Idk if that is correlative

[analog flicker]

Massive wrinkled or massive smooth?

[midnight bison]

[pearl snow]

:3

[normal lake]

bro

[lone wraith]

Some guy who boasts about having 300 hr got pissed at me for wacking the floor with a knife lol 😔

[bleak pilot]

skill issue

[echo mantle]

aye just picked up the game, anybody just starting out? wanna hit the early levels?

[bleak pilot]

you're better off looking for people in the lfg channels

.t LFG

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[echo mantle]

yeah no ones looking for r1 a1

das ok ty

[bleak pilot]

host a lobby yourself then

[midnight bison]

i can help

[livid gulch]

average pubs experience

[livid gulch]

get your own skill

[echo mantle]

oh ok

lets get it

[midnight bison]

which room you in?

[echo mantle]

im not in one atm

[midnight bison]

oh ok

[lone wraith]

This is unimaginably real 😔

[bleak pilot]

it do be like that sometimes

i may not miss my hammer swings but i cant make good use of the hel shotty so i know what it feels like

[hollow merlin]

People keep telling me hel shotty sucks.
Good things don't always get recognized 😔

They've never felt the euphoria of wiping out an entire horde

People usually run away when they see a train of red triangles coming around the corner

With the hel shotty, you run towards it

[bleak pilot]

i can do that with a machine pistol

not with a hel shotty XD

[vestal crystal]

Hel shotgun is good, most people don't know how to use it properly that's why they think it's bad

Some know how to use it but still don't like it though

[hollow merlin]

It's got a high ceiling, and its floor is still rather decent if you place your shots right.

If you just use it to kill that lone striker and spend 3-5 shots due to bad dispersion and not getting close enough, well yeah it'll feel bad

[bleak pilot]

dunno man, i rarely get into the situation of having 5+ enemies infront of me

unless its a surge alarm

[hollow merlin]

2-3 is enough to get value

[bleak pilot]

machine pistol can handle that

with better ammo eco

[hollow merlin]

well yeah, most guns can. but most guns don't scale as well once that number increases

[bleak pilot]

i get that its great for hordes
but i just dont get into these situations often enough to commit to a weapon thats only useful for a short duration in specific expeditions

[hollow merlin]

not everyone's cup of tea of course

but i've found good use out of most missions

just gotta put yourself in those positions to line up shots on multiple

and watch it do its thing

[bleak pilot]

hel gun prevails

[hollow merlin]

no one said you can't use both

[vestal crystal]

Machine pistol kinda doodoo

[bleak pilot]

machine pistol + hel gun is a combo i like to run somewhat often

[vestal crystal]

Worse version of both pdw and autopp

[bleak pilot]

auto pp deals almost no damage and needs support of other players to make it usefull

and pdw is cracked anyway

one of the best primaries

[vestal crystal]

Machine pistol kills slower than pdw and staggers worse than autopp

[bleak pilot]

eh kinda but barely a difference

pdw has a dps of 38.5 and machine pistol of 36.2

and with the higher magazine size of the machine pistol you can get more kills per mag despite the lower damage

and you have alot more ammo and get more out of ammo refills to make up for lower dps and lower range

[vestal crystal]

DPS.....

🤮

[bleak pilot]

it is litteraly what defines the time to kill...

so when you argue its bad due killing slower
well you are not wrong but at the same time you wont notice the difference XD

[vestal crystal]

DPS is largely irrelevant in this game

[bleak pilot]

correct

makes your previous statement obsolete

[vestal crystal]

Ok by kills slower let me rephrase that to more shots to kill

Shots to kill is a much more important stat than DPS

[bleak pilot]

but it has a higher fire rate and lower ammo cost

[junior latch]

machine pp dmg per mag, 90. even if you say you relod and keep shooting its 180 only

Hel shotty with pen, 370

[bleak pilot]

i get that its great for hordes
but i just dont get into these situations often enough to commit to a weapon thats only useful for a short duration in specific expeditions

[vestal crystal]

Who TF cares about ammo cost all the maps give you plenty of ammo

[wraith marsh]

Only useful there

[junior latch]

Hel shotty 2 tapping singular enemys is roughly as efficient as a normal machine pp player who hits their shots btw

[wraith marsh]

Lol

Lmao

I will slowly convert more ppl to hel shotgun

[bleak pilot]

please do

i want to see the value of it

[junior latch]

Higher firerate isnt always better at a certain point

[bleak pilot]

i just cant see it outside of surge alarms

[junior latch]

its insanely cracked in surge alarms

[wraith marsh]

The only time it's bad is reactor

It's always good otherwise

[vestal crystal]

Higher fire rate = you miss shots faster 🙂

[bleak pilot]

skill issue

[junior latch]

But even on singular enemies its efficiency is average (which is basically what machine pp efficiency is unless you only shoot perfect range + no extra bullets on that firerate and no misses

[vestal crystal]

The only skill issue is thinking that machine pistol is good when it doesn't do any job that well

[wraith marsh]

Pen, stagger, awesome large enemy efficiency and stunlock

[junior latch]

Even there it depends on positioning

[wraith marsh]

Baby destroyer

[vestal crystal]

And then citing DPS and ammo efficiency as reasons why it's good

[wraith marsh]

The list goes on

[junior latch]

wdym? The D tier gun is obviously better than the cracked S tier

[wraith marsh]

It's a main with the qualities of a special

[bleak pilot]

you litteraly said pdw is good because it kills faster
im just telling you its barely the case to the point where it doesnt matter

[vestal crystal]

It takes less bullets from the pdw to kill

You know why hel revolver, dmr, carbine, and dtr are so strong as primaries?

[bleak pilot]

that is correct, and yet it doesnt matter due to similar damge output

[vestal crystal]

Because they take 2 shots (or 2 burst) to kill a striker, DPS doesn't matter

[junior latch]

pdw kills faster, more reliable and has THE best reload in the game

[wraith marsh]

Yeah but ammo balancing becomes hard and playing close can make your teammates antsy

[bleak pilot]

machine pistol has better reload

marginally

[wraith marsh]

You can, but probably shouldn't

[knotty bobcat]

All those guns function way different than an auto tho

autos care about DPS
Precision semis dont

[wraith marsh]

Pdw insta reloads

Cancel goes hard

[vestal crystal]

Damage threshold and shots to kill are way more important than dps

[junior latch]

Not with reload cancel lol

[bleak pilot]

ah right, i forgot people actively try to cheese this game XD

[junior latch]

thats not cheese LOL

[wraith marsh]

Good argument

Love it

[knotty bobcat]

Reload cancelling is cheesing 💀

[vestal crystal]

The only time DPS really matters is if you're just spraying into a giant, at which point if you are machine pistoling into a giant something is wrong

Unless you're trying to balance ammo

[junior latch]

i mean kinda? Neither rly do, but autos definetly do moreso than semis

[knotty bobcat]

DPS means you kill the striker faster, killing the striker faster is just better

[junior latch]

yes
But tbf, machine pp is one of the better mains to spray a giant with honestly

[wraith marsh]

Personally I think dps on autos does matter for comparison sake

[junior latch]

after sawed, hel shotty and carbine (tied with dmr/hel revo)

[knotty bobcat]

DMR's good to spam giants with?

[wraith marsh]

Dmr Is bad for it

[bleak pilot]

how does shots to kill matter if you kill them in the same amount of time but have like 20% more bullets in total

[bleak pilot]

eh best use special weapons for them

[wraith marsh]

Shots on main autos doesn't matter imo

You're not counting out 2 + 5

On pdw

On the specials it does

Bursts it does

[knotty bobcat]

My 8 shots to kill auto when I accidentally shoot 1 more bullet because its an automatic fire ((i've completely ruined the shots to kill treshold for the gun)) 😱

With Autos I just, burst into them until they're dead. Screw precision shots, I'm basically point blank. I need the thing dead xd

[junior latch]

Efficiency, yes. Killing/stagger. No its good

[wraith marsh]

No it's bad for efficiency

That shit get bad damage per refill

[knotty bobcat]

Yeah that's what they said

[junior latch]

you know average is ~130 and its at 114?

people overrate dmrs ammo issues

its obviously not great

[wraith marsh]

You put it with hel revo and carbine

[junior latch]

no

carbine is a tier above it for giants

which is also due to its insane burst and dmg/mag

[wraith marsh]

Hel revo is still 30 above

[junior latch]

yeah but it does 24 less dmg per mag

[vestal crystal]

If you're sweating over 20% more ammo you have other issues at hand

[wraith marsh]

I'm too lazy to do a point less argument on mobile can we go back to laughing at mpp

[vestal crystal]

No map is that tight on ammo where not having 20% ammo will end your run unless you fucked up somewhere else

I don't seem to be alone in thinking that if your bringing a weapon to kill, pdw is superior, and if you are bringing a weapon to stagger support, autopp is superior

[wraith marsh]

Or for both bring hel shotty

[vestal crystal]

And having a mix of both doesn't really help you or your team

Unless it's hel shotty

But that plays differently than both pdw and autopp

[wraith marsh]

Ye

[knotty bobcat]

Only thing i dislike about pdw is the ugly thermal sight

[vestal crystal]

It has good enough hip fire where you basically can use it without ADSing at all

[knotty bobcat]

That's what I am doing

[wraith marsh]

I love thermal utility

[vestal crystal]

It's hip fire accuracy is actually kinda nuts

[wraith marsh]

Stealth and quickswap

So fun

[vestal crystal]

The only use for it's thermal is head shotting shadow giants

[knotty bobcat]

Yeah I love the utility of the thermal, but the sight themselves are hideous to look through

[vestal crystal]

Also the fact that it's a zoomed in sight on an smg

[bleak pilot]

if you are sweating about 3 extra bullets to kill, compare to a weapon with higher fire rate

💀

[merry crypt]

alright, how in the ever loving hell do I deal with tanks with bots? (r5b3 extreme and r5c2 overload)

[junior latch]

or combat shotty/veruta

Basically being the best 3 wave clear guns when pressured

[vestal crystal]

We're not talking about specials

[junior latch]

Hipfire with machine pp

God it sucks… has been haunting me in death% runs so much

[knotty bobcat]

PDW*

[junior latch]

Higher rate of fire is worse unless its vs giants or chargers :|

and both suck vs chargers and arent great vs giants

[vestal crystal]

I think the only good player I've seen that doesn't mind the machine pistol is Bobo, and I think that there are so few of them that like that weapon for a good reason

[bleak pilot]

well yes and no
im pretty good at controlling both the pdw and the machine pistol to the point where i miss bullets due to the head exploding is a bigger issue than controlling the guns itself

and i wouldnt use either of the weapons for giants or chargers, since i got my trusty hel gun with me at all times
but giants and charges werent part of the inital discussion anyway

[surreal plaza]

Found out why the mission is called 'Starvation'

[vestal crystal]

When are they releasing the BEST and HIGHEST DPS gun

[surreal plaza]

Scattergun with 100 reserve ammo

[knotty bobcat]

I want the scattergun

it sounds fun

[vestal crystal]

It is very fun

Bigly fun

[normal lake]

do not underestimate the importance of ttk, ill take a weapon that kills in half a second with half the ammo efficiency over a weapon that kills in 2 seconds with twice the efficiency simply because ttk is the difference between clearing a horde before being overwhelmed and being dead

there has been so many times my ass has been saved by guns with a fast ttk where ammo was fucking meaningless

[rough robin]

outside of surges, it's a slightly-lower-damage combat shotgun with pen.

the hel shotty is DISGUSTINGLY good

did I mention it's main slot

[knotty bobcat]

Might ammo efficiency be a completely irrelevant stat?
By the sounds of it, the game will always give you enough ammo to deal with any alarm you come across. So as long as you're accurate and don't waste. The guns that kill the fastest are just straight up the best.

[rough robin]

the game does not always give you enough ammo

thats like the point of the game

[normal lake]

killing fast isnt the only reason to take a gun otherwise percision rifle wouldnt be that bad

and ammo does matter sometimes

[knotty bobcat]

The only 2 times me and my duo has ran out of ammo was

1. early on when we were worse at the game
2. when we did an entire overload, secondary and main + multiple scouts with an Error alarm cuz R5A3 is a bitch

[normal lake]

but yeah there is basically no times where ammo is a real issue if you actually gather resources

[knotty bobcat]

I've had a few zones that were locked behind like class 3 or 4 alarms, with only 1 of each resource. We tend to skip those ''resource zones'' cuz we'd probably burn the same resources on the alarm as those we get from the zone.
And even then we do fine with ammo

[normal lake]

i take high cal as my main sec weapon mainly because i like the gun a lot but mostly because man it has clutched for me so many times that taking anything else is disrespectful

the one shot kill on strikers and shooters along side a garunteed stagger on hit with giants / hybrids is fucking cracked when the rest of your team is down and your struggling for survival against a wave alone

[knotty bobcat]

I've had a stupid amount of fun from my Sawed off + Revo combo, more than I should

[normal lake]

pretty much same here altho lately ive gotten a lot better with shooting and have become more aggressive during alarms so i run out of ammo faster than my team

[rough robin]

mfs say "There's enough ammo in a level" Until they play R4E1 with no secondary and mess up maybe one giant shadow room

[knotty bobcat]

We skipped R4E1 for now.

[rough robin]

do secondary

[normal lake]

does the secondary give a lot of ammo or smthn

[rough robin]

yes

absolute shit ton

[normal lake]

kek funny

[rough robin]

you go from carefully stealthing through all the thick fog to just space-marine exterminating every room

[knotty bobcat]

Given how R2E went, we're planning to go through the entire game normally and try our luck on the death gauntlet 1 night. (all E in a row)

[normal lake]

will note that for when i get to the level in 6 years

playing once a month sure does slow down progression

[knotty bobcat]

I've not been able to play all week because my duo works night shifts
I.E
He's sleeping when I work
Working when I have free time
And has free time when I sleep

Absolute pain.

[rough robin]

Like we went into main after sec with 2 5x ammo, a 5x med and a 5x tool, everyone filled up, and like 10 extra trip mines placed to recoup later

Its actually disgusting if you can survive sec

[normal lake]

reminds me of my r7b3 experience

with sec you get to the end with 100% in all weapons and hp

atleast my group did when we first played that level

we went back to it recently and actually had some problems with that sec which was strange cus i very clearly remember it being a cakewalk

[knotty bobcat]

R7 is so weirdly easy compared to the other Rundowns. Only at the D levels does it actually get difficult. Especially that 1 unique Uplink mission

Oh actually we didn't do the sectors there

the difficulty might lay in those

[normal lake]

r7 mains are a joke esspecially since they have checkpoints

[knotty bobcat]

Yeah.

[normal lake]

but some of the side objectives are fucking rough

[knotty bobcat]

Granted this was our second rundown
We did
R1, then R7, then R2.
So we were fairly new doing R7. Still wet behind the ears. And frankly.
The bulk doors were intimidating

[normal lake]

most notably b3ovl c2ovl and c3ovl

my team started before alts so r7 was our only option

to say it extended the amount of time it took us to clear most of r7 is a understatement

its not a good rundown to learn the game on

[normal lake]

c2ovl imo being the hardest thing in the rundown barring e1

[knotty bobcat]

R7 to us did introduce us to so many new enemies, we had our hands full with just that for the time being.

[junior latch]

no

but its somewhat overrated for mains

since the difference at max (perfect accuracy) without pen vs lowest perfect acc is only 4 kills

For specials its 19

[knotty bobcat]

Mains just doesn't feel like real guns.

[normal lake]

it pains me that most mains aint interesting

honestly main picks really dont influence the game that much unless you take a niche one

or one that is just strictly better in every way cough cough carbine

[junior latch]

It only 1 taps shooters on head tho so thats kinda meh. And its not a guaranteed stagger unless you limb break on 1 shot

[normal lake]

i always aim for limbs so guess i never notices and thankfully for me personally shooters literally never land hits unless im not paying attention

strikers are the bastards that get me

[junior latch]

Imagine taking checkpoints into consideration for how easy a level is lol

[normal lake]

its hard not to considering wiping to a start screen vs wiping to 5 minutes ago is quite the difference

[junior latch]

well duh, optionals make stuff harder. R7B3, C2, C3 and D1 are all actually levels with optionals

[normal lake]

then again checkpoint bugs probably make things harder rather than easier

[junior latch]

uuuuh what

[vestal crystal]

They can do both

Like C2 checkpointing lowers the fog with only 1 cell

For 5/6

[normal lake]

either way tho blind clearing a map with checkpoints is objectively easier than if you gotta completely reset the map

[junior latch]

no one honestly takes checkpoints into consideration for how easy/hard a level is

[knotty bobcat]

Why not?
They're part of the level

[junior latch]

you maybe do it on how easy it can be to clear the level but then???

[normal lake]

c2 secondary checkpoint is fuckin stupid literally removes all challenge from the checkpoint

[junior latch]

they are not, you dont interact until you fail

[normal lake]

bro thats gotta be the stupidest way to see it lmfao

[knotty bobcat]

Yeah and if you fail, you get a second attempt without having to restart the entire thing.
Checkpoints erases mistakes

[rough robin]

if you're counting how hard a level is for a blind run, a level with checkpoints is gonna be less hard just cause you don't get sent all the way back

[normal lake]

bro guys geometry dash levels are easy i beat them in practice mode 💀

[junior latch]

to clear*

the level isnt gonna be easier

[vestal crystal]

There some parts like r6d4 first data cube hunt, where having a checkpoint right there makes that part a joke. You can just run in wake everything up and look for the cube and if you wipe oh well, now you know which side it's on. It's not a good way to gauge the difficulty of a map like that

[rough robin]

^^

[normal lake]

as far as i see it the ability to reset to the middle of a map makes it easier to beat the map than if every map restarts you to the beginning

[rough robin]

items and enemies don't re-randomize on checkpoint load, so you can just blow it completely and now you know where everything is

[normal lake]

r7 levels just feel easier for that exact reason aswell imo

[junior latch]

This is the point tho, its easier to BEAT the map with it. But the map difficulty doesnt change

[rough robin]

sounds like the same thing

[junior latch]

Taking checkpoints into consideration for the latter honestly just indicates for me that someone uses them :|

[rough robin]

oh the horror

using checkpoints

[vestal crystal]

Nah. Beating R5d1 is much easier with full prov, but the difficulty of the map is the same

[normal lake]

ofc i do

[junior latch]

Thanks ryk

[normal lake]

A. convincing full team to not use a checkpoint isnt worth the effort. and B. I have a life outside of video games, if i can take the quick reset rather than the slow one i might aswell

not complaining they aint in other levels

[knotty bobcat]

That sounds like the map being easier tho :d

[rough robin]

it's just splitting hairs at that point

[normal lake]

but it does make levels with them just easier to do

[rough robin]

the map itself doesn't technically change, but the map does become easier

[knotty bobcat]

Yeah

so its easier

with checkpoints

[rough robin]

same with massive boosters

taking 100% infection res on r4e1 doesn't technically change the level's difficulty

[junior latch]

same with door bug

[rough robin]

but does it make it easier?

[junior latch]

all levels are (nearly) equal with door bug

:^ )

[rough robin]

you're comparing an actual exploit to checkpoints and boosters

rip

[junior latch]

yeah cuz both mechanics suck and are not well implemented into actual gameplay

checkpoints being unlimited is oof

[normal lake]

inb4 that one guy who foams ladders enters chat

[junior latch]

consider why any vet doesnt honestly consider checkpoints for level difficulty

[junior latch]

Its true tho

[rough robin]

you know maybe evas onto something

I beat r4e1 with infection immunity. but the difficulty of the map was the same

so its all the same

[coarse grail]

How about its just less interesting to consider the checkpoint difficulty

Because its just a semantic discussion otherwise

[junior latch]

the issue is also

As long as you get a checkpoint theoretically the run NEVER ends

[normal lake]

im personally not against checkpoints but they are implemented terribly tho but i cannot see the level as the same if it has 6 checkpoints in it that effectively remove the ability to fail any tiny section of the map

[junior latch]

so fail chance is 0%

so its just about the part before the checkpoint?

[rough robin]

i'd trade checkpoints for the ability to leave and come back to a level in-progress

in a heartbeat

[normal lake]

id trade checkpoints for rainbow glowsticks

[rough robin]

that too

[junior latch]

i mean? Kinda
But it wouldnt rly serve a purpose. When would you quit on a level and not just resule in like 30 min?

[junior latch]

based

[rough robin]

because you could be late in, and something comes up?

[normal lake]

me and my friend getting bored mid run having to leave the game running for 4 hours while we do something else just to return to gtfo

[coarse grail]

you stop mid run because you got bored? 😂

[jade iron]

you're all missing the fact that checkpoint runs have that gross green checkpoint mark on the completion screen

and completion screens are life

[normal lake]

usually its to make food

[junior latch]

fn brings up the true point

checkpoints dont actually make you clear the level

so they ignore level difficulty

[coarse grail]

they should have the gross mark on the rundown screen too

[junior latch]

and instead its section difficulty

[junior latch]

honestly yea

[normal lake]

i use checkpoints because i know every time i use one a vet dies a bit inside

[rough robin]

REAL

boutta load up r7c3 and just repeatedly use the checkpoint to send them psionic damage

oh no I wiped on armory section again reload

[normal lake]

good charger scout melee practice

[rough robin]

actually true

[jade iron]

to be clear, I'm okay using checkpoints, but whenever I use one it means I need to go back later to finish the level for real

[rough robin]

i have never once put this much thought into it

When me and my friends wiped on the 20min countdown / overload of r7c3 and reloaded from the start of the countdown we just thought "oh that's nice, we don't have to replay all the stealth crap"

[normal lake]

i mean its fair but id never go back esspecially since most levels with checkpoints i dont really like anyways

[coarse grail]

did you not like them cos of the checkpoint restart loop? 🙃

[normal lake]

bro my game crashed at the 1 minute mark of my first c3 clear and it fucking pained me to have to redo that boring ass 20 minute countdown

[junior latch]

everytime someone uses a checkpoint i cry cuz they couldve been faster not using it

[knotty bobcat]

I do love the like 3 checkpoints you get on R7A1 as if anyone could ever fail that mission

[jade iron]

all of r6/r7 except r7e1 is a lot of levels to hate, but sure

[rough robin]

when r7 was the only rundown, there were def new people that managed it

[normal lake]

bro never understood the word "most"

[junior latch]

2

[knotty bobcat]

Oh yeah forgot this game had only 1 rundown at some point

[jade iron]

point taken

[junior latch]

memes aside. I dont mind checkpoint usage if used smartly

[normal lake]

most levels have sections that are just straight up unfun to the point id rather just not play them again after the first time even tho most of the level is fine

[junior latch]

issue is when it devolves into 10 hour clears or smth like thaz

also wtf

r6 and r7 have banger level design

[rough robin]

well thats just people being insane

[normal lake]

yeah 2 to 3 resets at most

[normal lake]

i fucking hate fog diving with a burning passion

[junior latch]

R6C1, C2, C3, D3, D4
R7C1, C2, D1(without bugs) and D2

[normal lake]

its fun once

after that its fucking cringe

[junior latch]

when are there fog dives??

[rough robin]

r7 had some awesome levels with a lot more unique approaches so im excited to see r6

like even something as simple as the meatballs coming out of a vent in b1

i think it was a vent

[junior latch]

oh yeah and i actually find it stupid to consider them for level difficulty. Same as considering boosters

[junior latch]

thin air

[rough robin]

i swear there was some hole in the corner but its been a long time

thats a shame

doesn't matter ever since they butchered the amount from like 20 down to 2

[jade iron]

something something warp gate destabilized something something

[normal lake]

b2 and b3 both had fog diving i disliked but overall b2 was pretty fun, c1 was just a strange level tbh, c2 felt slow as hell until you reached the end of the map, c3 is a banger, d1 🤮, d2 is a banger

[rough robin]

stop it I can only get so hyped for r6

[rough robin]

I feel like half of the d1 hate is the godawful performance

[jade iron]

I miss r6b1

[rough robin]

its actually shocking how bad this game runs for being this game

[jade iron]

comfort solo

[normal lake]

e1 idk cus i still havent went back to it since the game cheesed us with the sudden teleport from a fuckin alarm to a area full of sleeping chargers

[rough robin]

one stray shot and rip

[junior latch]

Imagine. Fog repellers :> and none of the fog takes long to get through at all

[normal lake]

that level is a buggy mess and i just really didnt like the end at all

[rough robin]

i thought the concept was cool at least

[junior latch]

„Cheesed“
Game - CAREFUL TELEPORT INC!

[rough robin]

I love when levels have multiple paths to change things

[normal lake]

concept was fine execution was painful

[rough robin]

even something like b3's restoring-the-lights was cool. want more of that

[junior latch]

Ah right you hate reactors and anything alike thats fun

[junior latch]

This

Its also a reason why i consider R7C1 very good

[rough robin]

any sort of terminal-or-otherwise interaction with the level very cool

[jade iron]

I don't know, it sounds like you consider 10cc putting some oppressive difficult thing in a level to be bad level design

[normal lake]

anyone with any background knowledge on basic game design knows this is a absolutely awful idea

[jade iron]

in which case, are you sure you like gtfo?

(genuine question)

[normal lake]

i like the difficulty just not tedious nonsense

[rough robin]

funny when I try to type 'tedious nonsense' it autocorrects to 'the beginning of r7e1' wacky that is

[junior latch]

tedious stuff would include what?

The obvious r5d1 sec, r7b2 sec, r4c2main, r5a3overload, r5b1 sec aside

[normal lake]

crazy we would agree

[junior latch]

the actual alarm is good
And the S scan is fun when you shoot it

[rough robin]

r4c2 drives me fucking insane that level has NO right being so long

[knotty bobcat]

I wanna see chargers more.
And not as in, see more chargers only waves, or chargers only rooms
Just. I wanna see random chargers, sometimes pop up a few in normal waves, maybe a sleeping one here and there.
Having chargers either never exist, or have only chargers exist, just feels off to me.

[junior latch]

its just the blood door part thats snooze af

[normal lake]

the s scan is fine if you have a 4 man kek

[rough robin]

i don't have it as bad usually cause im never the one to babysit pablo

but I always feel bad for the mf stuck waddling that giant overgrown hairball around

[junior latch]

nah its even more fun in duo

[jade iron]

yeah, a lot of this probably hinges on what qualifies as "tedious nonsense" and whether the game/level provides tools to manage it which are more interesting than "iuno babysit the pablo"

[rough robin]

i hate pablo with a firey passion.

[normal lake]

this, there are so many ways to pump up difficulty but the devs almost always go with the annoying ones that dont really change anything but make the game less fun to play such as fog and pitch black darkness

[rough robin]

i hope in r8 we get to trap him in a giant incinerator that Garganta has for some reason

[knotty bobcat]

I like fog and pitch black darkness

[jade iron]

I hate everything in r7e1 between the first alarm and the arena scan, non-inclusive

[rough robin]

i partially agree with this, i do think this game sometimes overuses fog

r2d1 is an example of fog used very well imo

[normal lake]

wow i cant see how original and creative it sure will make this level more difficult and fun

[jade iron]

pablo is fine during actual action

[rough robin]

after my 4th time fog-diving with a turbine in complete thick infectious fog, i have had enough

[normal lake]

its a obsticle you can avoid in that level rather than something you have no choice but to go head deep in

[knotty bobcat]

Making the environment more difficult is pretty alright with me, so long it's not overused.

[junior latch]

Fog and darkness are good tho?

[normal lake]

yeah they are just not in overuse

[junior latch]

R6C2 omfg its so good

[normal lake]

its honestly not a fun mechanic with the way its used in most levels

[junior latch]

the issue with fog is the fog turbine most of the time

[knotty bobcat]

Having even more ways to make a level difficult is always welcome.
I do love the feeling of going into a new zone/sector, and then the lights shut off completely with a ''Rerouting power'' message coming up.

[rough robin]

again, some option to go out of your way to lower it or change it in any way would be cool

[jade iron]

how do you feel about error alarms?

[normal lake]

i enjoy error alarms

[rough robin]

SPEAKING OF THIS

more reactors should do something

[normal lake]

errors that are not just basic strikers and shooters far moreso tho

[knotty bobcat]

This too.
Give us an option to get rid of whatever's going on. Have an optional side area we can go to if you wanna get rid of the darkness, or you can save the time and save your resources and just go raw dog through the dark

[rough robin]

exactly like b3's light-restore, c1's fog lowering, yes

[normal lake]

i dont mind darkness that much its def fog that annoys me

and im not talking the mild small amount of fog

[junior latch]

R6D1 honestly is a good level with that

[knotty bobcat]

or the one where you have a class X alarm you can make easier by doing a terminal side objective ((fun that we completely missed that and did the X alarm))

[normal lake]

im talking the shit so thick you cant see your fucking feet

[rough robin]

at least darkness usually has a purpose, pitch black areas are shadows

[junior latch]

allows you to get rid of darkness and fog

[rough robin]

hot take, secondaries that just turn off lights are crap.

[normal lake]

its not even fog at that point your swiming in milk

[rough robin]

okay great, I did it, now I can't appreciate the level design in any way

[jade iron]

interesting, I've seen error alarms lumped into the "obnoxious annoying difficulty" category by people with that kind of perspective

[knotty bobcat]

that's been my favorite secondary so far 😭

[bleak pilot]

the difference in ttk between those 2 weapons is about 1 millisecond

[knotty bobcat]

Or rather it was the one where the lights turned off for a bit, then when you did a scan, the lights shut off becuse the scan required the limited power
That was fun

[rough robin]

generator clusters do that

[normal lake]

i prefer errors to reactors and regular alarms

[rough robin]

they restart when every cell is plugged in

i can't think of a bad error alarm this game has

[knotty bobcat]

It was a secondary I think.
It had shadows during the scan, normal enemies sleeping.
When you enter the sector, the lights turn off for a moment, and the game says something like backup power rerouting.. prioritizing lights
Then when you do the scan, lights shut off, and shadow enemies come with the scan

[normal lake]

the only error alarm i have complaints with is r3c1 because that shit is so fucking difficult compared to the entire rest of the level

[junior latch]

its chill lol

[rough robin]

r3c1 is just a few goobers isn't it

oh wait that's d1

wtf is c1? It's been so long

[knotty bobcat]

The only error alarm I had my butt clenched for was the very first error alarm we ever did and we were panicking

And the one that spawned 2 giant chargers and you had to find the HSU to turn it off

[junior latch]

ramping charger error

[rough robin]

ouhgh

[rough robin]

being the genius I am, when I played b1 the first time I thought "if I do both scans, I can go get the resources after!"

how well do you think 3 bots handled a 4x giant charger error?

[knotty bobcat]

Kek

[normal lake]

this was between machine pistol and hel shotty right, hel shottys ttk is much faster on groups which is what the weapon specializes in or if you are talkin pdw vs machine pistol then yeah sure its similar but pdw is a far more consistent gun overall

[knotty bobcat]

We did them 1 at a time thankfully

[rough robin]

1 at a time? You did the other one after?

[bleak pilot]

no it was between machine pistol and pdw

[knotty bobcat]

Yessss?
cant remember the entire level since my memory is poop

both bots went down constantly though to even just 2 giant chargers, cuz we did a strat were my friend sat back and held them off while I did the objective

[rough robin]

you'd be stuck with a giant charger error for the rest of the level

[normal lake]

charger error alarm into a hsu hunt in a room with a scout

[junior latch]

pdw having better reload, hipfire, spread and thermals might play a role in this

[bleak pilot]

but yeah it doesnt really matter anyway, most of it is just preference anyway

[normal lake]

not many chargers but its really really easy to get over run

[knotty bobcat]

Idk we just had giant chargers come at us all the time, then we did the HSU and it stopped and we finished the level with PE

[rough robin]

oh you prob just did one then

[normal lake]

i usually disagree with eva out of spite but this is the one time where i have to agree with em pdw is just a overall more accurate and consistent weapon

[knotty bobcat]

I guess?

[bleak pilot]

sure its easier to control no doubt about that
but im accurate enough with both guns for it to not matter

[rough robin]

pdw try not to be incredible at everything challenge (impossible)

[bleak pilot]

thermals is a nice bonus tho

[rough robin]

fun fact: unless I am wrong about how falloff works, the PDW with it's 5m eff. range, STILL does more damage at 15m than the bullpup does with it's 15m eff. range.

[surreal plaza]

Wtff blackout zones with sleeping shadows!!!

enters pdw:

[knotty bobcat]

I'm stuck always having to change the ''idle state'' of my gun cuz I swap from thermals to non-thermals and shadows always pop up inbetween the swaps

[rough robin]

let me get a GOOD LOOK at those mfs

[rough robin]

turn it off

[knotty bobcat]

Really?

[normal lake]

enters knife:

just sprint solo all the sleeping shadows room with knife

[rough robin]

yeah, just barely

[normal lake]

just to fuckin easy

[knotty bobcat]

If I have a thermal I do
But otherwise I keep it on, cuz when you look at a shadow while your gun is down, it goes back up. So you know which direction they're in.

[rough robin]

Shadow Giant's reaction to that information!

[rough robin]

oh that's smart, i just have it off cause flicking on the light and seeing it teleport to aiming annoyed me

[knotty bobcat]

Same

thats why I always go into the settings to change it

[normal lake]

lets be real you where gonna use guns on that crouched sleeping shadow giant anyways cus lord knows meleeing it is impossible

[junior latch]

knife it

[rough robin]

I think I genuinely melee'd my FIRST one today after 421 hours

[junior latch]

honestly meleeing them is only an issue when its hybrid version of them

[rough robin]

because it was in the damn way of a shadow scout on r5e1

[junior latch]

Those stagger too much

[normal lake]

impressive ive only ever meleed them while they where foamed in my 300 something hours

[rough robin]

fuck those things

they're wriggly.

[normal lake]

tbh ive only ever seen them in like 2 levels tho

[rough robin]

i got halfway decent at sniping them on r4e1

[normal lake]

not many opportunities to try

[normal lake]

kek this reminds me i told my friend he could turn off the camera shake a few days ago and he literally got better at the game almost immediatly

[rough robin]

only pussies turn down the inertia

real chads keep it at 100%

[normal lake]

he has 200 hours in the game and never even bothered to check the settings beyond turning off motion blur

[knotty bobcat]

I've just reduced it. I feel like flinching when an enemy hits you is supposed to be part of the game

[rough robin]

wait does it fucking remove flinch too?

no way

[knotty bobcat]

Does it not?

[rough robin]

are camera shake and weapon inertia 2 seperate settings? I don't recall

[knotty bobcat]

Idk I just assumed and reduced it by 10% because the shake when you jump was kinda annoying

[normal lake]

i keep it at 15% because ive ran with a gun before and know damn well you dont shake that fucking much

[rough robin]

I tried 0% inertia and it genuinely makes the game easier, because you keep the gun pointed straight so you can use the flashlight

changed it back to like 80

[surreal plaza]

Wish i can turn it up past 100 so both the ceiling and the floor can get some light when i crouch walk

[normal lake]

keeping a flashlight straight while running doesnt take a fuckin athlete even if its strapped to the end of a sniper rifle

[junior latch]

Base fov? Wtf

[rough robin]

57 fov supremacy

[junior latch]

It doesnt

[normal lake]

probably lmfao

[rough robin]

57/105 chads stare down at the 120 vertcels

[knotty bobcat]

Ehhh. you'd be surprised.

[normal lake]

no like ive literally done it

[junior latch]

no wtf

[knotty bobcat]

Especially when factoring in the environment the prisoners are in

[junior latch]

They dont stare anywhere cuz they are blind

[rough robin]

when you're carrying an assault rifle and sprinting for your life pointing it straight would probably work against you

[rough robin]

i might be biased 'cause im on ultrawide

[knotty bobcat]

also: The prisoners aren't even trained soldiers except 1 of em ((iirc. Does this count as spoilers?))

[rough robin]

57 vert is 105 horizontal which is plenty for me

[normal lake]

on decently flat ground that much shaking makes me question the characters

[jolly mural]

Yo guys just got this game, am having some trouble joining lobbies with mates, we can hear the voicechat and ping when we join, but we dont appear in the lobby visually and cant start the game. Is this a common issue/is there a fix? have tried reinstalling/verifying files 😥

[rough robin]

hackett and woods

[knotty bobcat]

So 2.

[normal lake]

my fov settings are 83

[knotty bobcat]

I just know one of em are a scientist. He's hardly physically conditioned to do anything.
The fact he can keep up with the likes of Woods is more than impressive.

[rough robin]

you said it yourself, he's a scientist

mfs on some homebrewed amphetamines the whole time

[knotty bobcat]

Lmfao. Imagine

That gas mask is filled with bath salts

[normal lake]

but yeah the shake is still there i get that but the flashlight aint going from your feet to the ceiling every 2 steps

[rough robin]

no wonder he fuckin yells and panics so much with the biotracker

[knotty bobcat]

I genuinely make sure that he never holds the bio tracker because of that

[normal lake]

i can see it for all the bots tbh

[junior latch]

Might be a connection issue between the people joining and host

[flat perch]

usually a vpn acts up or u/friend has asus gamefirst or similar qos software not treating "steam" as a game

[normal lake]

prob why they keep shooting me

[knotty bobcat]

OH GOD WE'RE SURROUNDED!!!

3 sleeping strikers
???

[normal lake]

💀

[rough robin]

dauda be like "No! NOOOOOOOO!" and it's one enemy.

[flat perch]

check #1049599987878723635 for similar stuff, many solved

[knotty bobcat]

Okay that message got blocked

I love listening to hackett telling me to take my hand off the y'know every 5 seconds

[rough robin]

evil hackett be like

hands ON c*cks

[jolly mural]

thanks will check it out 👍