gtfo-chat

[jade iron]

one of the few objectives in this game that actually asks multiple players to play distinct roles in a multi-part process, and we're arguing about whether sniper has access to too many ammo hits

who the hell cares

the secondary extract in that level is methodical gtfo at its best

[mint light]

its too easy

[jade iron]

it's a C tier secondary in a level designed during vanilla gtfo duos balance era (r6-present) so it probably is too easy for a 4stack

if they change nothing and keep current sniper balance I could see it being an ideal trio

[mint light]

game should be balcned for 4 players like the devs intend. if its too easy for a 4 stack it failed

[jade iron]

then nearly everything 10cc has ever released has failed

[mint light]

exactly !

now we getting somewhere

[jade iron]

I mean, I started duoing r6 with the belief that my average ass shouldn't be able to duo a whole rundown

[junior latch]

welp seems like r4e1 is easy then

[mint light]

well you did. fail on part of the devs

[junior latch]

shame

[mint light]

it does indeed seems so

[jade iron]

then the same thing happened with r7

[mint light]

another fail from 10 CC

[junior latch]

fn not understanding what average actually is

[mint light]

fn does not understand a lot, like error spawns

[jade iron]

but I think if this is the bar you're setting for r6c2ex in particular, then that's a bit rough

like, by that standard every level is just ass and we can't ever compare anything

[jade iron]

??

what do you think I don't understand about error spawns?

oh do you mean the spawn locations thing?

I think we established that the actual behaviour is garbage

like, rayalot described a rule that nobody else guessed beforehand

[opaque stag]

doesn't count, not even 50% more damage

[jade iron]

average among people who have absorbed the community canon of how to play gtfo

[junior latch]

so the top … 5, 1% ?

[latent palm]

Prox 3%

[serene berry]

#NoTrueGTFO

[junior latch]

we serverely underestimate how many people play this game
How many are actually „good“ by discord vet standard etc

and how many are then rly good (actual vets)

hell, a lot of people here who are active would struggle with C tier duos

[latent palm]

Same

Having to Duo R5C2 is literally fucked

[jade iron]

also badger is insistent on repeatedly reminding me that I'm bad at the game, so it'd be awful dismissive of me to not get the message right?

[latent palm]

Wait whos badger?

[jade iron]

(that's a )

[latent palm]

[mint light]

badger does not exist

[latent palm]

Im missing lore here

Who is badger

[unreal crystal]

I checked last night and game was getting like 1000 players

probably a ton of players who are struggling on c tiers as a full group

[junior latch]

1000 daily
With a lot more total, numbers overall are hard to judge tho

[junior latch]

ye

[jade iron]

I don't know, I don't really consider that fair because those people haven't "studied" the game

I think their experience is completely different, largely because of a 10cc choice not to tutorialize effective strats

(I don't want to have the tutorial debate again)

[junior latch]

So basketball pros shouldnt be categorited as better vs average plebs?

[jade iron]

exactly

well in the sense that they'd destroy average plebs sure obv. they're better

but average plebs are not basketball players in a meaningful sense

[junior latch]

Avergage basketball plebs

[jade iron]

if an average pleb starts participating in recreational basketball leagues, studying proficient play, practicing etc, then the comparison has meaning

another example, I learnt to play fighting games properly, learnt how frame advantage and offensive turns and mixups and footsies and oki work

but I'm not actually good at any of the fighting games I've played

I'd just destroy casuals who don't know the concepts

[junior latch]

thats just you defining good

Example

at my best in league i was playing a lot of high offline tournaments

but i obviously wasnt pro level

Was i good?

when i was top 0.1%?

[jade iron]

I'm not saying I'm actually bad at gtfo or fighting games either

just not notably good for someone who's learnt the concepts

[junior latch]

so you are saying you arent top 0.01% and thus not good?

This game isnt balanced around the top top top players

[jade iron]

true, and 10cc has nearly no reason to balance any content with the most seasoned vets in mind

but I don't know, I think I'd prefer a world where 10cc taught their game, dragged more of the playerbase up to a level of proficiency with strats that vets take for granted, and then made content that challenged 4mans at that level

but given that neither 10cc nor a lot of people around here really want that kind of tutorialization, it's probably unfair of me to go around saying "lol I duo'd the rundown therefore rundown too easy", since challenging experienced 4mans would shift the balance further away from the bulk of the playerbase

which I'm guessing is your point

[junior latch]

Thing is

high tier gameplay needs commitment and some skill

which is 1 niche to go for

they have a high entry point that means figuring out stuff is the challenge and thus easier to get over

making gtfo a challenging but not bullshit hardcore game

[sharp owl]

real life sized garganta merch drop when

[latent palm]

When R10 comes out

[sharp owl]

this will take 10 years

minimum

when r10 comes we will have real life nam v

and kso's

[abstract pewter]

Dude I wish there was an armoury to test out weapons

[unborn quiver]

There's no penalty for leaving missions or dying, so you can always just boot up R1A1 (or just any mission) and play around with weapons, jump back to lobby, repeat

[abstract pewter]

True

[unborn quiver]

But yeah I agree, it would be nice to have a shooting range or something.

[vivid light]

A wave based survival mode would kind of offer the same benefit while also adding some new kind of content IMO

Not that I'm really glamoring after either

[junior latch]

r1c1 be like

[vivid light]

kinda

[rose nova]

yeah those levels already kinda exists

[wispy bluff]

I mean it's the low hanging fruit of games like this

[rose nova]

and everyone says r1c1 is just kinda there

[wispy bluff]

Shoot monster? Shoot monster forever

[rose nova]

it needs more than just shoot enemies

[unborn quiver]

Yeah but R1C1 has a long walk to the actual wave portion which I think is detrimental if you just want the combat portion

[rose nova]

even r1c1 has resource management, code hunt, tools guns a part of sneakin, but still

[wispy bluff]

The only problem is that ammo is finite in this game so... New infinite ammo dispensers? Maybe like that thing we but case into in R7 1?

[unborn quiver]

R3C1 is better in that regard

[rose nova]

more like R3A3 i guess

since r3c1 doesnt really have a lot of combat till the very very end

[unborn quiver]

Is that the one I"m thinking of? The reactor level in R3

[rose nova]

A3 yeah

[unborn quiver]

Oh yeah that's the one I'm talking about then, my b

[rose nova]

is oki

[unborn quiver]

Cause that one is like two rooms and you're at the holdout, which is way better than R1C1's long walk

[vivid light]

The thing with R1C1 is that it's always the same tileset, always the same waves, ends after a few waves that don't have all kinds of monsters. Like it serves the purpose of a shooting range but if we'd be adding more kinds of things the game than just rundowns then I'd rather have a survival with a somewhat random tileset.
EDIT: Oh and also the walk there.

But I reiterate that I'm not after either

[unborn quiver]

Yeah I mean a roguelike gamemode would be great to see as a DLC or something, and the game is perfect for it

[rose nova]

i think this game just wasnt like optimized to hold this kinda gamemode, a wave mode would be incredibly funky to do since u gotta choose the correct rooms to do an arena, some kind of ammo generator, the tool would play along, the difficulty, the multiplayer how would it work cause pros i bet would just kinda kite for the most part

[fickle frigate]

i have a question guys

[rose nova]

like its, interesting as an idea, but idk how hard is to implement

[fickle frigate]

are there special cosmetics for finishing a mission in prisoner efficiency?

[rose nova]

um nope

[unborn quiver]

Yeah only for full clearing Rundowns and the first clear for each expo if I'm not mistaken

[rose nova]

sectors are there to make the level more hard for, personal experience and brag rights basically

yeah only apparel ur given is those two

[fickle frigate]

okay thanks :)

[rose nova]

is okii

the warden might not give me pants but im still doin PE in every run i can

[junior latch]

its a minute or 2 at best. And you can just shoot the rooms up to make it combat aswell

[junior latch]

„Sneak“ -> running and gunning

[rose nova]

its optional ok

if u want it to b sneakin

it can :3

[junior latch]

You cant rly add a shooting gamempde that shows a lot of enemies without spoiling them for actual gtfo gameplay

[unborn quiver]

Could go the way of Darktide and have the enemies that show up in the shooting gallery be directly correllated to the enemies you've seen/killed in the actual game

[rose nova]

that would b so hard to coordinate if its a lobby with 3 other people, assumin it is a 4 people gamemode, which like i would guess yes

[unborn quiver]

Oh yeah, I'm mixing up shooting gallery with survival gamemode

[rose nova]

oh

[unborn quiver]

But yeah as a general survival gamemode it would just have to spoil stuff the further you get into it

[rose nova]

yeah theres lo no way around it

is that or it just crashes from the amount of smols it spawns

[unborn quiver]

Actual vermintide gamemode lmao

[vivid light]

True. You can however warn that it spoils surprises in rundowns if you haven't done them. People who care about that would probably heed that kind of thing.

But anyway, I just wanted to throw in a quick comment about the shooting range thing. Neither is most likely not going to happen so I'll just call that discussion on my part at that.

[warm temple]

Do you have to have a mission unlocked in order to join someone elses lobby or can you just join it?

[rose nova]

u can just join it

[junior latch]

ah yes the beginners that dont even read the basics ingame would certainly read and heed that warning :|

[vivid light]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that people who care about spoilers will care when you flash a warning about big spoilers in their face.

[unborn quiver]

Yeah I mean that would be their own damn fault if they get spoiled then

[visual jungle]

spoiling content? i can do that: there r sleepers in the complex

[vestal crystal]

@wraith marsh why is hel revolver considered S tier when it does 4 dps less than pistol?

[pine root]

It never includes pen 🤓

[vestal crystal]

good info though

[wraith marsh]

because I said so 🤓

the only reason necessary

[vestal crystal]

[mint light]

literally 2 min

[thick temple]

classic dj

[little ridge]

He is right

Heck, out of the 5 zones before reactor only 3 have enemies

[thick temple]

the speedrun is almost 3 minutes to get there
no chance vast majority of players are getting there in the same amount of time

[little ridge]

Ehhhh depends?

Majority maybe not

[serene berry]

its a long empty walk lol

although i saw a giant in a couple runs recently lol, didn't think think that could happen

[little ridge]

if 4 vets take 4mins instead of 3, big deal?

for speedrunning perhaps, for what he's talking about, I dont think so

[little ridge]

super rare but it can

[serene berry]

neat

[little ridge]

I think I saw one in like 4-5 times out of the 60+ clear I have on that

[junior latch]

Nah, no way?

Isnt it like 2 min max to reactor?

[little ridge]

But mayhaps I dont recall well

[junior latch]

i cant check video rn
Place im staying for fieldwork has crap connection lol

[median rivet]

2 seems right, 3 seems like it’s on the slow side

[thick temple]

Into reactor sure
To starting is like 3

[little ridge]

Even so

He wasn't talking about speedrunning

[thick temple]

Yes

[little ridge]

and 1 minute more ain't going to make his argument correct imho

[median rivet]

Fair point

[thick temple]

in the video currently on src
you guys finish dropping at 1:06
reactor scan pops up 3:44
so 2:38ish
closer to 3 than 2

[median rivet]

Does the run include the drop in time?

Like does the timer count that is my question

[thick temple]

for the actual speedrun time? no

[median rivet]

Gotcha

[thick temple]

uses igt
which doesn't start until after drop

[junior latch]

run to reactor takes longer than r1a1? Lol

[pine root]

Me making popcorn takes longer than r1a1

[analog flicker]

*** "Trust me Bro" ***

[burnt flume]

minute popcorn is a lie

[analog flicker]

opens container of Caramel popcorn

[robust gull]

can u check logs to make sure rng to your microwave is good

no pets in the way, no siblings fucking around

[obsidian cradle]

hi there, I am french I am looking for a host

I am noob

[jade iron]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[river plover]

всем привет! есть желающие поиграть?

[hearty onyx]

did they remove r6?

[serene berry]

ya, but we should be getting it back in a few weeks

[serene berry]

^

[rough robin]

august 3rd

confirmed

[dense stump]

who confirmed?

[rough robin]

me

[dense stump]

yea

[rough robin]

i consulted my orb

[dense stump]

consult these nuts

[serene berry]

no.

[acoustic smelt]

What’s the worst loadout someone can have for r3d1

I need to make someone suffer

[sharp siren]

there isnt really a gun thats shit against strikers

or anything in r3

[acoustic smelt]

??? Even like auto pistol and Sniper?

[sharp siren]

yeah

[serene berry]

ya

[sharp siren]

sniper its meta

lmao

[acoustic smelt]

I suck at aiming 😂

[sharp siren]

ok thats on you then

[acoustic smelt]

Even like the sawed off + sniper?

[sharp siren]

thats even better

what

[serene berry]

ya the auto-aim in this game sucks

[acoustic smelt]

The game has auto aim?

[sharp siren]

💀

[serene berry]

er sorry

aim-assist*

[sharp siren]

i cant wait for gtfo for nintendo switch pro

[serene berry]

i hear its getting ported into Skyrim on the 360

[jade iron]

probably just something like bullpup precision rifle auto sentry spear

[acoustic smelt]

Lol

That sounds painful

@jade iron

[jade iron]

precision rifle in particular would be sus into the charger zone

[rose nova]

ummmmm
i guess precision rifle, since that level doesnt have like long ranges
spear, cause haha beginning
and main... probs just, like, autopistol? i wuldve said sawed off but thats nice probs against some situations
maybs llike, dmr, double tab

i mean it isnt bad but its the most i can think of cause there b corners n short ranges

but thats about it

[desert ocean]

Anyone trying to run some later

[rose nova]

levels? u can find n share lobbies in the LFG channels

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[rose nova]

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel

and if you are new be sure to do the tutorial first [Training] and start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one

[robust gull]

wait is august 3rd the actual release date for r6 or am i being griefed

[wraith marsh]

yes

[robust gull]

no fucking way

[wraith marsh]

(I have no idea)

we probably wont have any warning like last time

im excited to wake up to gtfo update like a snow day again

[robust gull]

im not excited

because r6 rerelease means they are out of content to promise until r8 drops

[wraith marsh]

fair ig

I kinda stopped caring about that as much

[light sigil]

how do you change your color name in game ?

[rose nova]

mods i think

[wraith marsh]

^ ye

[light sigil]

tyty

[rough robin]

it would make sense considering the usual "just shy of 2 months" release windows

[rough robin]

if r8 drops*

[jade iron]

I'm not yet cynical enough to predict r8 cancellation

we're talking ~10 new levels, a bunch of text/audio logs and intercom story delivery, maybe a few new enemy types and a few new guns, few to no new features beyond that

story-focused, about as difficult/complex as r6/r7-era level design with comparable amount of optionals

[wispy bluff]

I can only pray that there will be a new tileset and hopefuly it will be whatever is under gargantha

Maybe even another big man encounter

[rough robin]

that'd be nice. the first actual new content update i'll see in this game

the game has to end with a big boss fight right?

it would be so morally wrong not to

[wispy bluff]

Either that or some exceptionally insane thunderdome style thing

[jade iron]

I could see this being the first new rundown to not introduce a new tileset (if you don't count r6, which had alpha locations)

[rough robin]

mmm i dunno

I definitely think we'll see new areas but they might not be Garganta

[wraith marsh]

surely we go into the meteor right

[rough robin]

we are basically AWOL by the end of rundown 7

[wraith marsh]

or whatever tf the chamber they found is

[rough robin]

^^

[robust gull]

i would love a roided up thunderdome

[wraith marsh]

I forgor the lore

[wispy bluff]

We have to

[robust gull]

like r5c2/c3 forget which one, but MASSIVE

[wispy bluff]

They foreshadowed that shit forever

[wraith marsh]

like kds deep

we do a bunch of fucked up shit

and then open a door into it

[wispy bluff]

And that'll be the cliffhanger for GTFO 2

[rough robin]

now you guys are getting me hyped for r8 and its probably like december

[jade iron]

I think canonically the prisoners went back to their hsus, the warden just got reprogrammed

[rough robin]

true, but now we (well, schaeffer and henrikson) have control over it

[wispy bluff]

I mean we still get deployed conventionally during R7E1 which is out first Schaeffer mission

So yeah, nothing really changed - its just that objectives are now Schaeffers

[rough robin]

i don't imagine there's many ways to conventionally get around garganta anymore

[wispy bluff]

Yeah, almost everything is locked

[jade iron]

lol gtfo2 is never happening

[rough robin]

or blown apart, so the HSU lift makes sense

[wispy bluff]

There are giant metalic gates in floodways tilesets

The ones the cars we find are supposed to go through

I guess they have to be opened manually or something

[rough robin]

it would be very cool if r8 ditched the HSU infil, like halfway through

and the levels are direct continuations

[jade iron]

I'll grant that gtfo ending on a cliffhanger is very plausible though

maybe inevitable by sheer weight of loose ends

[wispy bluff]

Yeah...

The ending will probably be just that everyone dies

[rough robin]

nah no way

[wispy bluff]

Schaeffer gets nomed on the comms

And then our turn comes

[rough robin]

gotta be a better fate than that

[wispy bluff]

I dont know man, this game's "storytelling" is pretty goddamn unconventional all things considered

[rough robin]

I don't think they'd make Schaeffer and Henrikson into such important characters if the story was going to end so grimly

[wraith marsh]

idrc that much about lore finishing up, I just want some cool shit thats been mentioned in it to be in the game or expanded on

[rough robin]

weapon modding

[analog flicker]

I like the part where Maddox plays a huge role

[rough robin]

maddox was the turning point in the story fr

I loved his line "GRLBLBLBLBLB"

[analog flicker]

sadly he dies so soon

but

technically

TECHNICALLY his death wasn't confirmed

(unless it's stated somewhere in lore/logs idfk)

[rough robin]

even if schaeffer just knocked him out

he got taken

[wispy bluff]

Considering we literally hear him die and then snatcher gets his body... Yeah, no chance. Unless he comes back as a sleeper.

[rough robin]

maddox-turned bossfight

[analog flicker]

Sleeper Maddox: FUCK YOU SCHAEFFER! YOU HIT MY HEAD REALLY FUCKEN HARD!

[hearty harness]

Hello there! how can I look for a group?

[jade iron]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[rose nova]

just some advice when usin the LFG !
always ask to not be carried and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel

and if you are new be sure to do the tutorial first [Training] and start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one

[balmy moat]

@rough robin You always play on max FOV

Especially helps with seeing things, and at ultrawide I can be more aware

I played max FOV when I didn't have an ultrawide as well

[hearty harness]

I am aware

[rough robin]

im on a strong 57 fov with 21:9

[balmy moat]

57 💀

[rose nova]

sorry its a habit

[hearty harness]

All good.

[rigid thistle]

What primary is good now? Thinking of returning to this game.

But haven’t played in a long time

[full forge]

carbine

[rigid thistle]

Still a good weapon I see

[full forge]

its the best primary as of now

[analog flicker]

hel pp supremacy

[rigid thistle]

Yeah been using the pistol too much

Need to use something different

[analog flicker]

but can it kill the Black Scouts?

[rose nova]

i just kinda use whatever :3

[full forge]

r u questioning my skills???

[analog flicker]

hel pp / precision / knife / auto

[shut ravine]

Weapon Randomizer

[analog flicker]

c;

[rose nova]

sure :]

[analog flicker]

is dat a CHALLENGE?!

[rose nova]

chad

[full forge]

if the hel autopistol can kill a scout i think a carbine should be able to

[balmy moat]

Carbine and Hel Rev are the only S tier primary weapons

Fun = GTFO Randomizer

[rose nova]

:]

[fair loom]

use heavy smg

[full forge]

gtfo randomizer for the win

[analog flicker]

hel pp supremacy

ss tier

(real)

[sharp owl]

how do you fix the black screen glitch

[analog flicker]

(pog)

[shut ravine]

I tried zone randomizer and i get like 40fps from it trying to spawn an enemy and failing every frame

[full forge]

lies

[analog flicker]

" Trust Me Bro "

[pine root]

Zone rando doesn’t work anymore

[full forge]

i have a hard time trusting people w skill issues

[rigid thistle]

✍️

[analog flicker]

Source: I made it up

[shut ravine]

[rigid thistle]

how about special weapons?

[pine root]

Have to use updated version

Mushroomseeed

[white raptor]

HEL AP is S tier

[balmy moat]

Hel Gun is the only S tier special

Combat is a close A tier

[rose nova]

um depends on what u like to do
are u hveay duty or like wave clearin

[rose nova]

special not primary

insert ba dum tss

[analog flicker]

what is this P1nk clan

[rigid thistle]

I'm rocking the carbine rn

so finding a good compliment to it

[rose nova]

i mean
tbh everythin

[balmy moat]

Choke mod is A tier as well

[rose nova]

carbine is very very flexible

[balmy moat]

Shottie A-B tier

[full forge]

shotguns are a/b tiers

[rigid thistle]

man excited to get back into this game

[analog flicker]

where is Sawed off rated?

[rose nova]

hell yeh

[rigid thistle]

couldn't find the time for it

[rose nova]

id just say try all the guns :]

they r all fun

[balmy moat]

C

[full forge]

sawed off is c

[analog flicker]

[balmy moat]

It's fun

[analog flicker]

question void

[balmy moat]

Veruta B

[analog flicker]

would bullpup be any higher in your opinion if it had a fast reload/reload cancel?

[rose nova]

a bit but not a lot

[balmy moat]

Not by much

[full forge]

maybe a rank

[balmy moat]

Damage output isn't enough

Considering that it probably won't move a rank tbh

[analog flicker]

iirc it's damage is like 1.95 or some shit

but

I see

[analog flicker]

1.91 but yeah

[hollow tendon]

1.91 for bullpup

Meanwhile machinepistol has 1.81

a mag of 50 ammos

a faster reload

[rose nova]

and sounds cooler

[hollow tendon]

yee

I truly feel like the gangsta of the complex

[balmy moat]

Bullpup is outshone by every other SMG

Besides SMG itself

[hollow tendon]

Ain't no fucking way heavy SMG does less damage than carbine

💀

[analog flicker]

I despise that Machine pistol. is a better smg than smg

[shut ravine]

Will try it when i get home

[hollow tendon]

Though

[balmy moat]

Heavy SMG is just trash

[hollow tendon]

if we take precision mult into account it's slightly different

[balmy moat]

Bullpup > Heavy SMG

[pine root]

is pdw tra sh?

[hollow tendon]

It's a shame ngl

lol no

PDW is really good

fastest reload assuming reload cancelling

[pine root]

they are pretty similar all things considered

[hollow tendon]

The issue is the range

[full forge]

b tier i say

[balmy moat]

Hipfire king

[pine root]

pdw is an easy a teir gun

[balmy moat]

I love PDW

Used to main PDW before Carbine

[hollow tendon]

PDW is fun when you use it properly

[analog flicker]

I forget to mention. smg has the weakest flashlight and machine pistol has a tighter longer ranged light

[pine root]

pdw quick swaping

[hollow tendon]

Now if you're the baboon that tries to aim enemies 10m away that's a skill issue moment

[pine root]

makes it possible s tier imo

[hollow tendon]

SMG's flashlight 💀

the same as shotgun's

[full forge]

true, reload cancel is crazy good

[white raptor]

LMAO

[analog flicker]

What?! No way. Couldn't be me. Swet

[hollow tendon]

You're laughing

But i've seen someone do that with combat shotty

I wanted to fucking gauge my eyeballs out

[white raptor]

🤣

[balmy moat]

Choke mod moment

[full forge]

wait i shouldnt snipe w my precious choke mod

[hollow tendon]

Bro wondering why a full mag didn't kill a single sleeper

💀

[pine root]

1 % accuracy moment

[analog flicker]

[hollow tendon]

Me when i paint the wall with pellets and not with the sleeper's blood : 👁️ 👄 👁️

[analog flicker]

when you've played realistic shooters where shotguns are actually effective at range

Enemy: Bruh that guys sniping with a fucking shotgun. Cheating
Everyone else: Explains to the guy to go back to cod and that it's realistic

[fair loom]

KS23 in insurgency my beloved

[hollow tendon]

870 MCS with slug ammos on BF3

600m sniping my beloved

[fair loom]

6 gauge at 100m is still a 6 gauge

[analog flicker]

I don't think many people actually know just how fucking deadly that thing actually is

KS23 is 4 gauge.

iirc

[fair loom]

I thought that was the European term, don’t the Americans say 6 gauge

[analog flicker]

depending where you're from that number changes

I could be wrong

[fair loom]

ah ok

[analog flicker]

been a minute

[fair loom]

no i think you’re right

funny weapon they should add it to gtfo

[analog flicker]

6 gauge by british/american
4 gauge by european

yeah

[jade iron]

damage per round is a meaningless number without context

[fair loom]

normal sleeper when 23mm discarded anti aircraft barrel walks in:

[jade iron]

people get bent out of shape about dps being a crude reflection of a gun's potential, but damage per round says absolutely nothing

[analog flicker]

[jade iron]

for an auto especially

[analog flicker]

eh it's whatever

was just a random thought

bullpup is still overshadowed by other autos unless they buff it for whatever reason

[jade iron]

bullpup's dps and realistic ttk are both fine, as is its damage per mag (assuming it gained a decent reload cancel)

it gets a little shortchanged on ammo though

main thing holding it back is its reload

imo it's in a good place if you give it dmr's reload cancel

[analog flicker]

as I asked Void. where would you rate it then if it had a good reload/reload cancel?

[jade iron]

low A high B

[analog flicker]

hm.

[jade iron]

so like top 10

[jade iron]

this is such a wild take

veruta is grossly overtuned

[balmy moat]

It's buff made it stupid

That's why it's B

[analog flicker]

[shut ravine]

S

[jade iron]

it's less of a standout now because it became the yardstick for buffing a bunch of other specials, but veruta's still probably top 3 imo

[full forge]

no

[rose nova]

Z

:3

as in

zcool

[analog flicker]

only spendingman can make it Z tier

[rose nova]

yes

[balmy moat]

Think Bullpup would reside in D tier and wouldn't change, maybe C, just maybe if reload cancel or smthn

[shut ravine]

Z as in
Zany???

[rose nova]

z as in zcool

[jade iron]

they buffed one of the best specials and you think that made it worse?

[balmy moat]

?

I never said Veruta got worse

[analog flicker]

I'm assuming prior to the buff void rated it C?

[balmy moat]

B/C ye

[analog flicker]

[jade iron]

okay that's a nutty take

[balmy moat]

Good stagger, good wave clearing

Probably top B rn

[jade iron]

gun is accurately controllable out to its falloff start range of 15m, downs nearly 2 bigs or 10 smalls consistently with a mag and reloads in the same time as choke mod

unrivaled crowd control

even very good into chargers

[balmy moat]

Doesn't compare to combat in A imo

[jade iron]

waveclear monster that overreaches into massacring bigs

[balmy moat]

Crowd control belongs to combat + hel shottie

Which are A tier

[jade iron]

okay not quite unrivaled in a literal sense

[balmy moat]

That's mainly the reason why I rated it B

[jade iron]

but combat shotgun hyperfocuses on crowd control at the expense of range

veruta is a much more general gun

and good players wring a lot of work out of range

[analog flicker]

hel pp

[jade iron]

also combat shotgun is pretty fucked up as well

[balmy moat]

Veruta I use both close range and long range

Takes half a mag to kill a giant

[jade iron]

if you called hel gun, veruta, combat shotgun your top 3 I wouldn't bat an eyelid

[balmy moat]

I'd probably put it 5/6

For secondary weapons

[jade iron]

this is significantly better than a waveclear special should be into bigs

[balmy moat]

Would've been even better if ammo duping was a real tech

[jade iron]

you have more specials you'd put above veruta?

[balmy moat]

Yes

[jade iron]

what are the other 2-3?

[balmy moat]

Choke and shottie

Debate between shottie and veruta

[jade iron]

both of those are fair guns balance-wise

whereas veruta is clearly overtuned

[balmy moat]

Okay and?

I know it's overtuned

[rose nova]

this convo makes no sense

[jade iron]

so you think the B weapon is overtuned but A/S tier weapons are fine?

that makes no sense at all

[balmy moat]

Usage

[analog flicker]

Gun is gun pew pew.

[jade iron]

I agree that both pump and choke are the best options in their categories

but that doesn't make them auto A or S tiers

[balmy moat]

I said top 5/6

On my scale

Didn't say it was an "auto A/S tier" on a tier list

[jade iron]

okay, your scale is weird

[balmy moat]

Eh

Veruta is a general purpose gun that is overtuned and good at it's job

That just about sums it up

I'd prefer taking combat over veruta, so if it was a tier list, then it would have to be below combat

I do like veruta, so it'd be top 5/6 guns I would use

How is it weird

[jade iron]

hm, above you're saying things like "choke is A" and "veruta B"

[balmy moat]

I said veruta B yea

[jade iron]

at face value these are balance proclamations

in the context of another "whats the best gun" discussion

[balmy moat]

So argue to me why it would be higher than B tier

[jade iron]

...tiers represent how far above/below some baseline a given option is in capability?

so if B would be were a balanced waveclear option is, then veruta ought to be some ways above that

[balmy moat]

If that's what we are going by then my definition of B tier is "good wave clear option"

[jade iron]

meanwhile pump and choke are more-or-less baseline-appropriate options for their roles

putting them above that suggests that they are overtuned

[balmy moat]

It doesn't have to suggest that?

Generally, you could have an overtuned gun in a game for its respective role and something still could be better than that specific gun

So I'm not really following here

Choke mod and shottie are not overtuned and it doesn't have to be implied so

[jade iron]

sounds to me like you're not using tiers to represent the power or capability of the weapons in any sense

if you told me that your tiers just meant favourite to least favourite, I'd buy it

[balmy moat]

Okay, so then why is there a reason to take veruta over combat, besides range?

[jade iron]

range is a huge reason

[balmy moat]

Let's take it that yes, Veruta is overtuned and should be in A tier

I think you have better crowd control and ammo efficiency with combat over Veruta

If you play right

[wraith marsh]

the reason is I want to use my main and I cant cuz balancing ammo with combat is too hard cuz it gets too much ammo

[jade iron]

gtfo rewards range in many engagements

[balmy moat]

Combat ammo buff moment

[jade iron]

if you're defending a reactor for example, combat shotgun is sub-par

in general when you have larger sightlines and less cover, combat shotgun tends to suffer

[balmy moat]

I could argue the opposite, less cover means combat is a massive clutch

[jade iron]

it's still a nutty special, but the idea that it overshadows veruta is silly

[balmy moat]

Staggering smalls and 1 shotting close enough

Some reactors combat still works well

I rather use hel gun when it comes to reactors, so I agree combat wouldn't be the best choice

[jade iron]

I think this imagines that you're dealing with entirely strikers

[balmy moat]

And I think this imagines that you are forgetting you have a primary weapon...

You can deal with shooters just fine, and dodge exists as well

[jade iron]

shooters, bigs, hybrids, chargers

[balmy moat]

Sure

Let's say you're in a team setting then

If you have the combat pulled out during a scan, chances are you're frontlining

You leave your teammates to deal with shooters

Everyone that is experienced in the game will always focus bigs and hybrids already

Chargers are basically strikers for the combat

You stagger enough to either kill them or get help from your team

Veruta would be the "long" distance wave clear in this scenario

You wouldn't be frontlining like combat

[jade iron]

veruta carves up all of the enemies mentioned indiscriminately, and allows you to fall back or reposition while firing without caring about impacting your shots

[balmy moat]

Combat allows you to fall back and reposition very well

Especially for your team

[jade iron]

no, combat shotgun loses effectiveness 5m+ away from the fight

[balmy moat]

You can almost solo hold a wave with combat no issue

Enough time for your team to move

[balmy moat]

If you're already 5m+ away, you should have no issue moving already

At that point you can just kite no weapons needed tbh

Sure, combat loses effectiveness with distance

So bigs and stuff wouldn't be heavily impacted if farther away

[jade iron]

if you think you're always out of danger when you're 5m+ from a mass of enemies, then I don't know what to tell you

[balmy moat]

Or maybe you don't either 1. have the weaponry, 2. have skill issue, or 3. your team isn't really doing so hot

I will concede it depends on where you are

Location + tile sets help a lot for movement

[jade iron]

just the idea of "oh I'm more than 5m away from the swarm, I don't need to be impacting the mass of enemies at all until they close the gap" just baffles me

[balmy moat]

You can run in a 5m circle and kite

Without taking damage

If that's possible, then I don't really know what to tell you

If you're backed into a corner, you may just be fucked with Veruta

But in general you're pretty fucked

You fucked yourself by trapping yourself

Learned from Jish that movement is important, and yes, it is possible to kite a lot of enemies in a small radius

For reference, we can use Jish

[rose nova]

if ur 5 meters close to the enemy and just think 'i am going to die if i dont run' then maybs ur just, a dmr kind of person

[balmy moat]

Jish kited 6 chargers in 5-10m

Kiting is important

[jade iron]

this seems like it's going to turn into an argument about to what extent prolonged circle kiting is still viable and degenerate

[balmy moat]

It's just harder to do with stamina

But doable

[rose nova]

knoife

[balmy moat]

Even if we go back, veruta in 5m range in this case won't be as effective as combat

Which you agree

So combat would help you relocate in this case better, would it not?

[jade iron]

in my experience, if enough stuff has amassed that you're disengaging and looking to kite, circle kiting isn't going to last long before you get torn down

[balmy moat]

Well, it ain't easy

Is it doable? Yes. Is it doable for a long time? If you're skilled

[jade iron]

okay let's say you're low-man or multiple people have gone down in r2d2 wave 9

[balmy moat]

I mean

[rose nova]

thats a very specific situation where yeah distances help dependin on the weapons u have

[jade iron]

so you have multiple hybrids active, possibly bigs, plenty of smalls

[balmy moat]

I would've already brought hel gun or veruta at that point

[jade iron]

but let's focus on the circle kiting bit

[rose nova]

if ur on r2c1 and u woke up a room, do u run away or u kite

and its a packed room, but theres 4 people on ur team

[balmy moat]

Plenty of areas where you can kite easily

Doesn't even have to be circle kiting at that point

[jade iron]

when people talk about being able to circle kite for prolonged periods in one room still, I just want to know what kind of scenario they're doing this in and what kind of situation they feel they can recover

if you can just keep going forever on wave 9 of r2d2 as last man standing, then maybe this whole debate is pointless because the game is just too broken to make trite things like weapon balance matter

[balmy moat]

Assuming you have doors left, you can just kite using doors and revive your team...

Not even just circle kiting

Right, you said it yourself

[jade iron]

but I don't know, from what I see of top players, this stuff generally ends runs

[balmy moat]

I said it's entirely dependent on where you are

But you have to be able to adapt

You need to set yourself up for an advantage

And if that's going somewhere else and kiting (not circle kiting), then do so

If you are stuck somewhere, maybe circle kiting could help you reduce some number down to be manageable to relocate

But that is extremely skill dependent

I know someone like Jish has practiced for so long

So they could do it

[jade iron]

some amount of circle kiting to manage some enemies is fine

[balmy moat]

Well, then, you agree with me

[jade iron]

I'm just trying to get a sense of how much work you think is being done when you talk about circle kiting, because it's basically the most annoying topic in the world

[balmy moat]

A lot of work needs to be done

It requires intense skill

And it was made harder with stamina

[jade iron]

I didn't bring up the r2d2 example because I think r2d2 is some hard level btw, I've duo'd it

[balmy moat]

I'm not complaining, since I'm an R6 baby, but I do know pre R6 circle kiting was a joke

It was easy to do

[jade iron]

I mainly just picked out an example of a place with messy wave contents where being last-man is a deteriorating situation

imo being able to create and maintain distance as you gradually work on cutting down a mass of enemies is a strength that range gives you

[balmy moat]

Sure, but you could quite literally kite in reactor room and rez pretty easily

[jade iron]

your response seemed to amount to "lol you can do that with combat shotgun, just circle kite and start shooting later"

[balmy moat]

That's why I think it's a slightly bad example

If anything, if you had combat, you would already start kiting

And you wouldn't shoot until close

You could crowd control to a place back or be able to kill enough

Circle kiting? Different story

Also, in my opinion, keeping a group congregated is good for kiting

You don't want them to flank you

So combat would be my bring for a scenario like that

[rose nova]

i think guns n melee are two way different approaches entirely depending on ur skill, ur weapons and melee picks, the situation, room, level and style of playin

[jade iron]

I don't know about that, if anything I think kiting probably makes things rougher as failed code entries compound

[balmy moat]

I mean, in that case, you're fucked regardless of what weapon you bring

Not really much disagreement there

It's a tough spot to be in already regardless of anything else

I mean, if it were me, I'd try to get off a rez obviously

I rather have my primary or combat cause shoot rez

You ain't controlling the Veruta while rezzing

Either way, still fucked scenario

[jade iron]

anyway, tbh this whole diversion into kiting feels like it isn't really going anywhere

we have disagreements about how much range matters on a waveclear gun

none of this stuff about kiting ended up illuminating much

[balmy moat]

I mean

It will be different

If you bring veruta, chances are you ain't really kiting with it

Nor would you be frontlining

Range would be different yea

But you can say that you can wave clear with combat just as easily + have wave control capability

[rose nova]

ah yess kite and hit the enemies with the back of the machinegun

[jade iron]

lol, I've been duoing almost constantly for probably a year now

the idea of a "frontlining" role is alien to me

as in yes some loadouts are more frontline than others

but loadouts tend to be more generalist than that

which is part of why I think you underrate veruta

it plays so much out of its lane

for a weapon that's still so dirty in its lane

[balmy moat]

If enemies encroach on you I think you're gonna have a harder time

[jade iron]

...no?

[balmy moat]

Good weapon tho

[jade iron]

I've duo'd r2e1 with mg's

veruta is very good up close

[balmy moat]

You will have a significantly harder time if you have an entire wave in fron to fyou

It's got good stagger

But you will take more damage than having combat

(You have less crowd control)

[jade iron]

if "significantly more" means "often zero", then...

[balmy moat]

Solo hold it

Without moving

I believe you can take no damage

I fully believe that

I've done it

[jade iron]

again I grant you that combat shotgun is the better up-close wave hold gun

[balmy moat]

But situational wise like that? Combat is going to be an easier time

[jade iron]

but there's just so much more to waveclear than up-close

[balmy moat]

I mean, up close is what you really want it

[jade iron]

and veruta doesn't generally have a hard time up close

[balmy moat]

Faster clearing most of the time

And for teammates you aren't going to be wasting ammo missing longer range targets

Veruta got good stagger, so yea it shouldn't have a hard time up close, but combat does better in that scenario

[jade iron]

again it seems like you treat up close as the be all and end all of waveclear, and I disagree

I think you'll find a lot of strong players disagree as well

[balmy moat]

Your perception of me might be incorrect

After all, I did specify close range

[jade iron]

well your idea that combat shotgun is in A, and veruta is worse than combat shotgun at combat shotgun's job, therefore it goes in B, was very strange

[balmy moat]

For every run I have done, I have found combat to be > veruta

Especially running into rooms, pulling large amounts, and pulling alarms

Then clearing quickly

[jade iron]

maybe it's speedrun mentality vs duos mentality

[balmy moat]

Even in duos Jish and I we bring a combat half the time

I brought shottie in R5

Veruta didn't exist tho

If I'm not mistaken

I don't remember

[jade iron]

hm, beth and beep aren't fans of combat shotty

[balmy moat]

Peter and Robert brough shottie in R4E1 duo

I would too, not combat

[jade iron]

very very different gun

[balmy moat]

I would also choose other weapons over combat in different levels

Bad example? Maybe

But proving last point, yes

[jade iron]

I've brought pump a lot lately in r5 duos

[balmy moat]

Good weapon

[full forge]

bad Weapon

[balmy moat]

No

[full forge]

yes

[balmy moat]

No

[white raptor]

HEL AP is best gun!

[full forge]

it can kill scouts

can confirm

[unreal crystal]

ur giving credit to ppl who circle kite post r6?

its still not that hard lmao

[unreal crystal]

its an ok gun as well

why am i getting dragged into this

man

[torpid rose]

why did u answer

[wraith marsh]

your first mistake was checking this channel

[unreal crystal]

im dead in darktide rick

i have nothing better to do

[balmy moat]

Not really Beth lol

I was just sayin

[balmy moat]

Man idk

[pine root]

Get better at dark tide obv

[unreal crystal]

gtfo player

[pine root]

I haven’t launched it in a day I am free no more relapses

[unreal crystal]

i havent launched it in weeks

[pine root]

okay

it isnt my fault

i have a bad addiction

[wraith marsh]

join us for pro

were on r4c3

[balmy moat]

@pine root Performance any better?

We wanna run more R5C3 w/ u

[pine root]

no

i couldnt get above 30 frames on r5a1

[balmy moat]

[jade iron]

I couldn't remember whether it was you or beep who got into a several hours long argument with eva about combat shotty

probably beep

[prime fjord]

Can any mods answer me this question?
I have 2 friends that live in South Africa that can get the game and together we'll be a 3 man team, but we wanna get a 4th player in there too. The one guy we know lives in Romania. Could we still play together without major issues?

[sharp owl]

It dépends on who is hosting thé lobby

If they have good pc then you will be fine provided that you also have good internet

[prime fjord]

Hmmm. Alright, thanks for the answer!

[sharp owl]

Any Time and welcome

[junior latch]

in exchange it can fight at higher ranges that combat cant. I do rate combat slightly higher than veruta, but putting veruta B is wack as hell void

The only way that even remotely works is if B is already very good or you compare the whole list to stuff like r4 hel revo/burst cannon. Since an S tier burst cannon is far above R7 S tier veruta or current S tier guns

But as you said that shotgun should be A/above it that makes little sense since shotgun is way more balanced as a gun in gtfo terms

[wheat geode]

Русские есть?

[normal lake]

@sharp owloi you cant change your discord persona to a anime woman i was just beginning to respect you

[sharp owl]

it is what it is mine friend

[normal lake]

another soul damned eternally to never touch grass by anime women

[sharp owl]

sometimes life leads you down a dark path for the eventuality of ultimate truth and wisdom

[normal lake]

as a weaboo i can confirm nobody hates weebs more than weebs

[sharp owl]

im not an anime enjoyer the only animes ive watched were dragon ball z and detective conan when i was a kid

this particular pfp is from dota's anime and as a fan of dota i had to

[normal lake]

i see so it was a false alarm

had me worried you fell to the dark side like i did many years ago

[sharp owl]

little bit of mischief to lighten the mood

[normal lake]

acceptable

[thick temple]

you can always go lower

[sharp owl]

I dont want to dislocate anything

Ive had enough damage as a kid/teen

[normal lake]

my legs look like someone took a mace to them absolutely covered in scars from playing in the woods and shit

still would rather have scars then be one of these new gen bitches who are raised by a laptop rather than wolves

[sharp owl]

Having scars as a kid is a badge of honor

Being thé last Real génération minus thé mentally ill onces

[normal lake]

i got a scar on my left knee that went down to the bone and had to be rushed to the hospital, my mother was hella paniced and i remember just being like "its really not that bad" as blood was pooling around my foot everywhere i stepped

[sharp owl]

pierced by a spear
Its ok mom

I too have knee scars but not as Bad as you

[normal lake]

for my 13th birthday my father sent me out into the woods for 3 hours with 2 of my friends and gave us a general path to take and said good luck

[sharp owl]

Although i should have gotten some seeing how dangerously did things

[normal lake]

was before i had a phone or anything and when i got back there wasnt a part of my leg that wasnt scratched badly cus had to cross some unexpected thorn bushes and my big brain didnt put on long pants cus it was over 100F outside

[sharp owl]

Thorn bushes 🤌

I used to climb ledges and trees over some rocky areas that Can cave my skull in

[normal lake]

prob one of the worst injuries i ever got was climbing a tree

[sharp owl]

Riding bike down flights of stairs or tryna do some stupid shit with a métal scooter

[normal lake]

my foot got stuck to the point i couldnt get it loose and ended up falling backwards and all that fuckin inertia went straight into my head

i just kinda had to sit there and wait for someone to come get me

fuckin hung upside down for over a hour

[sharp owl]

That sounds like a lot of not fun

😬

[normal lake]

yeah my leg where i was hanging was kinda around my calf and it was pretty fucked up

i was climbing trees the next day so not to big of a deal

probably knocked a few iq points out of my head tho

[sharp owl]

"Blood" forced trauma

[normal lake]

also if i had not been caught i would have just landed on my ass and been fine

it was like a 4 ft fall at worst

was a small child so didnt have to much weight that would have given me a heavy impact

[sharp owl]

Where i used to climb i had to make no mistake cuz the rocky areas did not look liké something a kid Can survive plus it was very high UP so either instant Death or a slow painful Death

[normal lake]

yeah i was afraid of heights as a child so i never went that high up

now im even more afraid of heights so eh

[sharp owl]

What the

🧐

[normal lake]

i dont think its a fear of heights per se its moreso a fear of standing on a unstable surface

[sharp owl]

You would enjoy rock climbing

[normal lake]

i was touring this power plant for one of my internships and they took me to the 40th story and tried to get me to walk over fucking thin scaffolding

was like no

you could not fuckin pay me to step foot on anything like that

just being on solid concrete that high up made me feel dizzy like i was gonna vomit

[sharp owl]

On the occasion of falling youd prolly die mid air from the shock

And yes that sounds like a terrible experience

[normal lake]

i watched like 9 other people go walk on it and i was barely able to move

my favorite part was we got in the elevators then the guy hits the button for the 40th story the highest it could go and then asked "so is anyone afraid of heights" after the fuckin door closed

[sharp owl]

💀

[normal lake]

i was already having a really hard time because we already where walking on scaffolding before that and i was hugging the wall like my life depended on it

that was just on the 3rd story

then we go so high up that cars look like ants

[sharp owl]

Were you shaking liké theres no tomorrow ?

[normal lake]

yeah i was fuckin shooketh

[sharp owl]

N-n-no im g-good you g-guys enjoy yourselv-ves

[normal lake]

mind you this was in the middle of a oklahoma summer so it was like 110F outside i was sweating a unnatural amount

[sharp owl]

You could have slipped from thé sweat n fell

[normal lake]

im pretty sure my brain had me convinced i would die that day

[sharp owl]

One more thing to add to fear list

[normal lake]

lookin back on the shit i did as a kid i cannot believe im alive today gonna be real

[sharp owl]

Violent stomach pain, uncomfortable slippery sweat

[sharp owl]

Imagine what thé kids nowadays would go through

My parents took my phone i almost died

[normal lake]

yeah fuckin i remember having 0 fear of bugs back then aswell

bringing my mother spiders as a present has gotta be a core memory

summer was always so dangerous for me as a kid cus i had access to fuckin fireworks

[sharp owl]

How sizeable

[normal lake]

nevery anything to large but i did have one of the smaller firecrackers pop in my hand

[sharp owl]

I've only gotten access to small crackers and that's it

[normal lake]

seriously fucked up my hand for weeks

[sharp owl]

How much gunpowder that thing had

[normal lake]

not much but it was enough to discolor some of my skin a dark black and give me a lot of 2nd degree burns

that and bruising

[sharp owl]

Damn ones I had barely did anything if I held them while exploding

[normal lake]

yeah the thing that caused the most damage was the fact my hand was wrapped around it

it was one of the small exploding ones i might find a image

i could prob tell stories like this all fuckin day

[oblique sierra]

hi i dont have any team haha

[true pilot]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[true pilot]

you can find people to play with in lfg channels

[mint light]

I had access to crack

wait no ... nvm

[sharp owl]

Your taunting has consequences

[wheat geode]

Есть ли здесь русскоговорящие?

[mint light]

what you gon do? snort sand?

[sharp owl]

You'll snort these hands real good then we'll see

[normal lake]

snort deez nuts

[sharp owl]

Get got

[mint light]

1v1 me bruh

[sharp owl]

You'll get smoked
Get lost

[mint light]

1v1 Neutral territory (switserland I guess) no weapons (I leave the baguette at home) no help (you leave the pet goat at home). 16 oktober 2027 11.24

[sharp owl]

Deal

You'll get smeshed harder than connor McGregor VS khabib

[mint light]

Should give you enough time. cause I guess the boat trip will take a while

[sharp owl]

🤣

[tight quarry]

shout out to the 2 people that carried me and my friend 30 minuts in r1c1 while we tried for 5 attempts with bots

if they need help on r2e2, just hit us up one of these times and we will stumble around XD

[sharp sable]

yo the sound turned off

what

I can't hear anything

it's like being deafened by a scout but permanently

[sharp owl]

👋 just discovered this game. does it have monthly updates with new events and bosses etc?

[unreal crystal]

No

game updates are pretty rare

[sharp owl]

doesn't it get boring after a while?

[unreal crystal]

Kinda

the gameplay is satisfying enough that I can still enjoy the game even if I’m replaying the same stuff over and over

[analog flicker]

we do a little bit of copium here.

[unreal crystal]

but there’s really not much in the way of new content lmao

[burnt flume]

It's mostly down to what you can make of the game

[rose nova]

i think u have like, enough time for it to b worth, cause u can get 300 400 hours and not have done everythin and still enjoy it

[analog flicker]

Tbf. For newcomers. There's tons of content.

[rose nova]

yeah theres like 80 mission in thegame rn

[burnt flume]

^^

[rose nova]

and like 12 more are coming on the next update

[analog flicker]

Just depends whether they can clear the more difficult levels

[sharp owl]

so it does have constantly new content and missions coming?

[analog flicker]

technically no.

Only R8 is promised in the future updates

We don't know if they'll keep adding on more content afterwards

[rose nova]

not constantly, we had em for like the last 8 months, an update like every 2 3 months
but after this last update its probs gonna take a bit

[unreal crystal]

it’s the next update which is actually just recycled content and then rundown 8 is actually new and that’s the final update

[analog flicker]

Watch em still not allow the Mword

[unreal crystal]

Of course

[sharp owl]

final update. after that the bordom will start and the game will die slowly afterwards? 👀

[unreal crystal]

Of course

[rose nova]

maybs

we dont really know if it is the final update but seems like it

[unreal crystal]

it’s pretty inevitable at that point

[analog flicker]

For vets most likely. Still tons of content for newbies to play.

[sharp owl]

rip. guess there's no point for me being here. sorry, folks... 😐 you seem friendly, but i'm not going to buy it.

[analog flicker]

Newbies bigger struggle would be finding groups

[rose nova]

i mean i see a lot of people always askin for the LFG

lots of newies

plus the pros that just go there to help

[unreal crystal]

You’re dodging a massive bullet anyway lmao

[burnt flume]

Has it been confirmed that r8 is the end of life for the game? I know it was supposed to be the end of the story but people were saying there's no confirmation that it's the actual final update

And yea you can probably put rhe money into a game that'll go much further if you fancy

[sharp owl]

yes. i always spend my money wisely thinking long term.

[sharp siren]

you talking to a 1000+ hour player

if that isnt long term i dont know what it is

its just vet coping

game its solid and you gonna have 80+ missions

it will take a long time to elarn the game

i will say if you have a friend you should bring it

[rose nova]

i mean it just depends on like, how much u plan to really put in the hours, cause ur gonna fail and ur gonna repeat and, i have 300 and nowhere NEAR completing half the missions

[sharp siren]

since public games are just a way to make friends

[sharp owl]

i have no friends who play shooters rip.

[burnt flume]

I'm coming up on 1000 hours, most of them probably from early access versions of the game because downloading files and shit

[rose nova]

i have like 2 rundowns, which are like 16, plus a bunch of just scattered ones

[burnt flume]

Like eh idk

[rose nova]

like 30?

[rose nova]

u can always use the LFG channels here

[sharp siren]

I did made most of friends from the public games

but if your not a social person

[rose nova]

thats how i made my own lil group of people

[sharp siren]

then dont buy it

[sharp owl]

👋

[junior latch]

black dragon coming in with the truth

[latent palm]

Black dragon literally takes it home

Holy shit the burn is real

[latent palm]

Almost August already

[junior latch]

ypu wanna see what shit i gotta do rn?

[latent palm]

Yes

Very

[grizzled bison]

The mute no mic biotracker main always gets the discord friend invites

[sharp siren]

I mean its not even a burn

its just reality

gotta be a smart consumer

you vote with your wallet

[latent palm]

Nah

Its a good burn

[little ridge]

In those cases sure

[latent palm]

Omg beepo

[hushed escarp]

@calm jetty точно не говорит по-русски

[latent palm]

[sharp sable]

Warden gains full control over complex after R8
Opens all doors and enables all lights in the entire facility
Re-enable elevators
Triggers every alarm
Deploy every prisoner and KSO with as much ammo as possible
https://youtu.be/EQmIBHObtCs

[jade iron]

I felt pretty gaslit back in the day when I tried to get the devs to affirm specific statements like "r8 is the last rundown"

so no

[sharp sable]

I thought that the older rundowns were re-ran and r8 was going to be the last eventually because the devs were working on a new game