gtfo-chat

[sharp owl]

sniper better 100%

the only time i ever used pr was when i didn't know it was bad

i was completing R7D1

that one 7 hour completion

[jade iron]

it'd still be considerably worse than hel gun, so maybe I could get behind it

well, neglecting to consider precision multi

[wispy bluff]

At least it won't be F tier anymore

Maybe like a C or B even

[proven steppe]

There's just so much weapon that serve a niche

[serene berry]

|| can ||

[rose nova]

||when||

[thick temple]

yeah it's possible now isn't it
just kinda stupid?

[serene berry]

ya, you use a bug to keep the head hitbox around after the limb break lol

[serene berry]

||right here, right now||

[rose nova]

||pineapple||

[thick temple]

||look who it is||
||it's look who it is||

[jade iron]

I haven't used PR in a very long time

[thick temple]

oh you don't even need the full mag let's go lol
you can do it in 7 shots

[jade iron]

calculations have it 1magging bigs if you throw in a headshot

[west prairie]

any one ?

[jade iron]

but the hearsay suggested otherwise

[west prairie]

we got 2 parson

[thick temple]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[wraith marsh]

what calc lol

[west prairie]

my id:

[jade iron]

but at 15 damage PR would 1mag a big with bodyshots, so it is a notable breakpoint I guess

[west prairie]

neilsuphoto

add me

[jade iron]

🤮 7hrs with PR

[sharp owl]

and a pistol

i think

[jade iron]

pistol's fine

[sharp owl]

s8

w8

let me check my screnshots folder

[jade iron]

I don't know who started the "pistol bad" thing in here

almost every auto is clearly worse than pistol

[wispy bluff]

Pistol is cute based on my experience, but got completely outclassed by Drekker 556 rifle

It could use a small buff to effective range. 6 meters is shotgun territory.

[opaque stag]

ya 556 is so worth losing 30 ammo for

[analog flicker]

In my memory as of late. Pistol convo goes into Hel revo or Rifle being better

[opaque stag]

helpp>helrev

[analog flicker]

Pistol isn't bad though yeah.

[analog flicker]

Hel pp supremacy

[sharp siren]

I still dont find the facination with 1 magging a giant with pr

Ive use it for 100+ hours on a daily basis and never felt the need to do that

Shit i used everywhere i can!

Even on charger levels

If i wantes to kill a giant i just get behind them with a hammer stagger

I do support a buff to the gun but i just find the 1 magging stuff silly

[sharp owl]

i found the ss

i had a bp rifle

:(

[acoustic smelt]

I’m trying to get R2B1 done

Can anyone help me out!

*?

[sharp owl]

good luck down in the complex then

[sharp siren]

#how-to-matchmake

Player tip that fixes 99% of levels: rush alarm scans

[sharp owl]

R2B1

OH FUCK THAT LEVEL

[jade iron]

I don't think it's the main consideration

[sharp owl]

why was it a B1?

[jade iron]

I listed like 2 other things the 15 breakpoint would give it, didn't I?

[thick temple]

combat "tutorial"

[sharp siren]

Yeah but i see it all the time when talking about pr

And im just like really?

[wispy bluff]

It just a neat bonus you get with two tapping chargers. Neat to have I guess.

[sharp siren]

I didnt read the whole thing

[acoustic smelt]

@sharp owl you down to join r2b1 w me?

[sharp siren]

Currently afk and on phone

[wispy bluff]

Also yes: I did mag dump giants with PR.
Yes: they did not die.

[jade iron]

I think its main problem is that 8 smalls (assuming you don't miss) then a 5 business day turnaround on reloading is not good uptime for a gun that's focused on smalls

[sharp owl]

my 100 kb/s internet kindly rejects your offer

[acoustic smelt]

oh my internet is also bad lol

[sharp siren]

Oh i understand that i just got used to play more conservatelively when it comes to the reload

Its nice been the back guy and just popping heads

I do think the 15 damage its a good buff

But we should not ignore revolver and might as well give it 15 damage too

[jade iron]

15 damage is not going to remedy the 8 smalls then aeons of reload time thing, but someone suggested buffing damage and I just kinda ran through the implications of that

[acoustic smelt]

Anyone down to help me out w R2B1?

[jade iron]

tbh I don't know how I would buff PR

[sharp siren]

Just drop fown

[jade iron]

it's just not my kind of gun

[sharp siren]

Youll be fine

[acoustic smelt]

wdym

[sharp siren]

Just drop into the level

Youll be fine

Theres nothing too crazy there

[acoustic smelt]

Any tool reccomendations

[jade iron]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[sharp siren]

1x bio 1 burst 1 shotgun sentry and 1 mine deployer

[acoustic smelt]

Weapons?

[sharp siren]

Combat shotgun

And ar

For you

[acoustic smelt]

Bots?

[wispy bluff]

There is another option

[sharp siren]

Bots you can look up my guide

But all of them take burst rifle and any of the machineguns

[acoustic smelt]

you have a guide?

[sharp siren]

Look at the steam guide

[acoustic smelt]

Sounds good

[sharp siren]

It will tell you everything about bot behaviour and their stats

[ivory pier]

#ad

[acoustic smelt]

Can you send me a link to it?

[wispy bluff]

I have a vague belief that original PR meant to be a rival to HAR, but with extra head damage. Explains the full auto firing mode. If it a mag of like 15-20 and more ammo - it would be lit.

But at some point that idea got dropped and we got the sniper rifle mimic instead.

[sharp siren]

Pr buff
8 > 10
30m > 50 m
11.4 > 13.5
3.6 > 2.6

[sharp siren]

Shif + tab

Click on guides

Legit right there

[wraith marsh]

why 13.5

[sharp siren]

So if you wanna use boosters you dont have to stack them

[wraith marsh]

tank 3 shot?

[sharp siren]

To reach 15 damage

[wraith marsh]

huh

interesting choice

[sharp siren]

I mean if we wanna balance the gun just like the devs

I would do that

But if us the community want then we woulds fix this a long time ago woth breakpoints and stuff

[sharp siren]

Not really that crazy when theres like a couple of guns that you can use boosters to hit breakpoints

[burnt flume]

on my way to make a montage of one shotting something with x primary using y booster

[wraith marsh]

I mean

when boosters can give you like

30%+ damage

I kinda stop caring

[burnt flume]

+80% supply efficiency

[sharp siren]

Can we pls get r5 supply eff again

😭

[burnt flume]

I am holding onto a single r5 provisions

[sharp siren]

Gotta install kepp keep boosters 😔

[burnt flume]

never gonna use it because boosters are bad but yeah, you can probably just edit boosters with mods if you're into that stuff (I will scold you for it)

[robust gull]

based take is to just not use boosters not for a sense of justice but for apathy on how shit the menuing is for them

[burnt flume]

not even for justice

game is easy enough without them

why would I make it easier

[wraith marsh]

I dont give a fuck about difficulty most of the time, so I like having satisfying breakpoints

one shots are just awesome

melee damage is fun

[merry sluice]

Ya DMR one taps feel so good.

[robust gull]

i just hate when i make room, complete a level and get 18 popups like im on a sketchy adult site with no adblock

shit sucks, coach

[wispy bluff]

And it helps to skip the more bullshit bits of levels

Unfortunately there is no booster to skip shadow stealth in respawning rooms 😩

[ivory pier]

rayalot stealth

[rough robin]

Wow that stamina discussion go hard asf

[jade iron]

I simultaneously feel that stamina didn't stop kiting at all, and also made it impossible to bail out a scuffed run with a clutch kite

[ivory pier]

wanna know whats also hard

[signal plaza]

hehe stamina poop

[rough robin]

can't relate. stamina enjoyer

[burnt flume]

how do you enjoy stamina

it doesn't stop you from doing anything, really

[rough robin]

then what's the problem with it

[burnt flume]

it's annoying and the sounds are intrusive

like, yeah it doesn't really stop me from doing anything but my fucking ears and getting greatly slowed down is annoying

[jade iron]

you're meant to also say that it prevents you from saving dead runs by kiting like a chad

[unreal crystal]

But I still do that liberal

[burnt flume]

it's a silly point to make really, like yes this cyst on my foot is doing nothing, nor really hurting me, doesn't mean it's fine

[jade iron]

god I wrote the template above and they still get it wrong

[rough robin]

I get screwed over from saving a dead run way more by the revive stopping midway 'cause the character on the ground wriggles, than the stamina system

[jade iron]

if you want my serious opinion though, I think stamina did at least make completely brainless shift+w bad

[burnt flume]

yeah

[rough robin]

and i feel like that was the point

[burnt flume]

it stops you from being a complete idiot and getting away with it

it does not stop kiting, or anything of that sort

[rough robin]

my only issue with stamina is that combat state is map wide, someone sets off an enemy 3 zones away and your character immediately tenses up 90bpm

[jade iron]

people who could actually kite well could use geometry or door to redirect enemies, and that's at least somewhat thoughtful

[burnt flume]

or there's always giant kiting which is considerably easier

[jade iron]

it's also completely outside the skill set of noobs

I didn't pub back in r5 so I don't know how often noobs were hearing about chad kiters and going "lol I can shift+w too now I'm a chad"

but stamina seems like enough to stop that crowd

or maybe not, I don't pub now either

[rough robin]

IMO it makes you have to kite smarter

any bozo can sprint away from enemies forever

[thick temple]

Also it being annoying means it's completely on you if you choose to do something that annoys you

[wraith marsh]

personally, I dont think its good for the game that literally EVERY situation is "recoverable"

[rough robin]

^^^ sometimes you're just fucked

[wraith marsh]

that is my main reason for liking stamina being added

[robust gull]

don't matter game dying we're in the end game now boys

[jade iron]

the annoyance case seems to be about playing with stamina in general, not kiting with stamina specifically

so the annoying thing they're choosing to do here is play gtfo at all

(vanilla current patch at least)

[little ridge]

Enemy stuck somewhere on a shelf=stamina capped all the time and you need to go around

[rough robin]

thats not even a stamina issue that's a game bug they haven't fixed

[little ridge]

There should have been some sort of safety mechanism so that the "cap" is relative to however many shitties are currently awake

instead of a 1-0

[rough robin]

IMO you should only be 'in combat' if an active enemy is within ~30 meters

[jade iron]

I agree, but I've seen some stamina haters complain that stamina slams the door on games and therefore takes some depth/enjoyment away

hence this comment #gtfo-chat message

[little ridge]

Ironically enough noone whines about the "removal" of bhopping

Not anymore

[jade iron]

people do complain about bhopping being removed, along with occi tap etc

[little ridge]

I get what they were trying to do with stamina being added, I just think that they spent too much to make it look "cool" and "immersive" and less time actually making it fit in the gameplay

[little ridge]

Much more rarely nowadays imho than stamina being added

[wraith marsh]

bhopping was actually stupid as fuck

[jade iron]

yeah but a lot of the vets that hated all of their execution-focused stuff being taken out have just stopped playing or moved to modded

[little ridge]

Kinda agree, and only kinda because it's the type of thing that you can choose not to do tbh

I did it all the time, not gonna lie

[robust gull]

or shit posting in gtfo chat and picking meaningless arguments

gotEM

[rough robin]

work together or die together in our hardcore horror stealth-shooter (b-hops around like its a source game with 0 difficulty)

[jade iron]

I'm just the messenger, I think current stamina system is healthier for the game than no stam

and I don't care about bhopping or occi tap

[robust gull]

ah i wasn't trying to flame you friend i'm just having fun at the community's expense

and my own

[wraith marsh]

occi tap was nice but the tiny amount of charge required rn is just fine to me

[robust gull]

i'm guilty of shit talking patchnotes

[jade iron]

first thing I did when weighing in on this debate was rip on the "stamina does nothing" arguers and the "stamina ruins games" arguers simultaneously

[robust gull]

i think the answer

is we band together

and make gtfo in roblox

and make custom maps and stuff

just saying brothers

[jade iron]

you mean like that kanye song?

[little ridge]

"We'll make our own tripods. They're going to have four legs."

[robust gull]

i don't listen to kanye

[jade iron]

neither

[robust gull]

and honestly i fear my computer will not run this fucking game when r8 comes around it is starting to cough and wheeze

[jade iron]

but I saw that roblox-ish kanye music video

[rough robin]

i am forced to listen to kanye whenever a bear video comes up on my explore feed

[robust gull]

i NEED this game on roblox

if they release another plant set on r8 there will be more canadian wildfires

this i promise

[little ridge]

Youtube really wants me to watch this chubbyemu guy but NO WAY i'm going to click on these

[robust gull]

those videos are good tho

[little ridge]

The thumbnails trigger me for some reason

[robust gull]

you have an anime profile pic the question of quality was thrown out long ago

you WILL consume

the algorithm slop

listen to the undertale sans NOW.

[little ridge]

No! Sleepo won't!

And I'll never play Undertale or FNAF

[robust gull]

i missed the fnaf ship

[wraith marsh]

as far as click baity content goes on yt chubby is pretty good

[little ridge]

You know when you look at something and you get the idea that it's not quite right?

Those thumbnails give me that impression

Like entering a dining room and the chairs are on the table

[rough robin]

uncanny valley youtuber

[robust gull]

memories of elementary and high school

having to put our chairs on the desk at the end of the day, having to take them down at the start

i presume its for the janitors

[burnt flume]

watch them, everyone loves Doctor Bernard

[normal lake]

if someone recreated this game in roblox im willing to bet it would be less buggy

roblox devs aint fuckin around

[wispy bluff]

Unironically real shit

I've seen some random youtube videos of things people do in roblox

There's a cod-like FPS with almost AAA graphics, you can just barely guess its roblox

Some engines are just built different

[normal lake]

yeah i saw that

i dont play roblox simply cus not a fan of playing games with children

but the devs are something else

[analog flicker]

[smoky wave]

steam down for anyone else?

[analog flicker]

Tuesday

Steam maintenance day

[sharp owl]

im glad i did my e1 run before the maintenance

[wispy bluff]

Tuesday be steam dead day

[analog flicker]

Now do it DURING MAINENANCE

[sharp owl]

how bout i do you during maintenance

[normal lake]

you can do me any time you like

[sharp owl]

Very well let's go to my office

[normal lake]

🤠

[lone wraith]

[hasty nexus]

whoever said there are always 18 IDs in R1B1 is lying, I just did it and there was only like 3 or 4 in 2 of the areas, there were barely any chests or lockers even when I did LIST in the terminal

first attempt there were more but my second attempt was way less lol

[thick temple]

Something something skill issue
Every time I've played it it seemed to have the right amount, idk

[rose nova]

theres usually a lot in those zones

every zone has about 2 except for the startin one

are u sure u did the command right

well u did it either way so

nice

[serene berry]

ya gj

did you get the level seed info?

[hasty nexus]

i just did LIST and then each zone

[pine root]

There is 18 ids between 7 zones max 3 can spawn in a zone. Of which you need 12.

This is an always

At worst there would be 17 but it would be insanely unlikely to happen/ impossible

[analog flicker]

I've once had it where the door with 3 zones each had 3 ids

9 IDs

[pine root]

It does happen sometimes

[analog flicker]

The other doors had 2 ids / 4 ids

[pine root]

No there is more than enough ids

They could have 3-6

If one area doesn’t have ids

The rest have to have 3

[analog flicker]

shrugs

I just read what I listed on the terminals

[pine root]

I am just reading what is in warden objective

[analog flicker]

I know there is objective for 12

I was just stating what was through the other doors initially

I know there can be more than objective

[pine root]

How many ways can you arranged 9 in 4 where the max value you can put in a zone is 3

[analog flicker]

When I said 2 and 4. I meant the other 2 doors with 2 zones

[pine root]

Yeah those paths have a minimum of 3 and a maximum of 6

[analog flicker]

I could be misremembering tbf

But I recall one of the doors being short on ids

While the other had more

It wasn't 3/6 though

[balmy moat]

@rose nova People here have put a situational category in tier lists

So I see no problem putting something like sniper in situational

[shut ravine]

it was also very hard putting them into individual tiers because some guns are good at some levels

i tested all guns with the same like spawn 4 enemies shoot them they die bad ok gun bad type test im stupid 😭

[rose nova]

i mean i guess but then i think it would just happen to a lot of guns like hel rifle burst cannon pump shotgun...

[balmy moat]

You missed carbine

[rose nova]

oh yeah

[balmy moat]

Main weapon

[rose nova]

but ur not dumb

u just like havent played enough to feel the weapon

or like read the stats

[balmy moat]

Nah burst cannon is straight trash

Not above D tier

[rose nova]

like i thought pdw was trash too

and they i got told it was amazing

and i gave it more more more shots

and i now see how fuckin bonkers it is

[balmy moat]

Shottie B tier not situational

[shut ravine]

might've gotten accidently deleted I swear I made that slide lol

[balmy moat]

Rip

Didn't see it

[rose nova]

i mean its good for bosses not much else but i get it
but then, hel shottie

[shut ravine]

my thought process
"if sniper S cause kill boss = burst cannon S cause kill boss"

I was thinking of starting to make a video of all the guns then i remembered that there are people that have more the 80 hours in the game that could make this not bad

[wraith marsh]

it used to be

it got killed a bit too hard

[burnt flume]

the annoying recoil

[balmy moat]

Combat got ammo "buff"

Veruta is busted with new stagger buff

[rose nova]

id say burst cannon and sniper are very different for like being compared to just 'kill boss' tbh ksdmk

[wraith marsh]

I still stand by the meme that combat got an ammo buff so itd get more damage than burst cannon

[balmy moat]

Carbine got ammo "nerf" but still busted S tier

Also @shut ravine not sure what you're doing wrong but assault rifle and burst rifle

[rose nova]

burst rifle is pretty nice

assault rifle idk

[balmy moat]

Burst rifle staggers 1 burst and kills 2, 6 bullets total, so theortically better than assault rifle ammo wise if we are strictly going off your tier list

[wraith marsh]

fuck I should just make a new spreadsheet with more explanation on it than the current ones

[balmy moat]

And it doesn't take 20 bullets to kill 1 striker

Quote from friend "you have no aim at that point"

[shut ravine]

made a snowman of bullets arround the striker

hopefully in 2 days this slideshow wont be as bad

ty for the information

[balmy moat]

Rank consumables

Too

Why not

[rose nova]

:]?

[shut ravine]

before i even say anything whats your opinions on the IX-2 syring or the red one that heals for infection

[balmy moat]

Drugs

[full forge]

they are drugs

[balmy moat]

Steroids

[rose nova]

IIX is ok but not that, useful for the most part, same for the red one

[balmy moat]

They are alright

[rose nova]

unless ur doin like true solo is super functional

[white raptor]

drugs...

[rose nova]

even in r7c3 like no one uses em

[full forge]

lies

[balmy moat]

Because either you pro, you have good team, or you brought melee damage boosters

[rose nova]

if u have a team at all that knows how to kill bigs

or u use foam

[white raptor]

ABC's boi

[rose nova]

and theres so much foam

[shut ravine]

im gonna get roasted if i add anything again 😭

[rose nova]

:3

[full forge]

do it

i want to know how you see them

[white raptor]

do the thing

[balmy moat]

Nah there ain't no way you rank consumables "wrong"

There's really only 1 S tier consumable

Like

[shut ravine]

and its lr flashlight

[white raptor]

Glowsticks A tier 100%

[balmy moat]

The easy S tier rank

[rose nova]

glowies my beloved

[balmy moat]

Glowsticks get their own special category

[full forge]

which glowstick color is the best????

🤔

[white raptor]

bc they're too good to be placed against any other consumable

[white raptor]

red

[wispy bluff]

I fucking hate glowsticks

[rose nova]

green :3

[full forge]

you're just wrong

[wispy bluff]

When you don't need them they're in every single locker, but when you do need them - they're nowhere to be found

[analog flicker]

[wispy bluff]

And going 10 rooms back just to find that one you noticed that one time is just... Bleurgh

[full forge]

sounds like a skill issue

[wispy bluff]

I fucking use fog repellers instead

[analog flicker]

"Glowstick enjoyers will remember that"

[wispy bluff]

They provide far better light and clear some fog while at it too

[white raptor]

lmao

[full forge]

implying the fog repellers dont clear all the fog????

[shut ravine]

Fog rep - F tier i say "someone throw a fog repeller" 3 get thrown
C foam nade - I missed one on a mother once D tier
Lock melter - clearly you're bad at hacking if you use these F tier
Glowsticks - you have a flashlight fo a reason 🙄 F tier
LR flashlight - S TIER

[white raptor]

so bold yet so wrong

[balmy moat]

... 💀

[white raptor]

lmfao

[shut ravine]

cant be wrong

[balmy moat]

💀

[shut ravine]

😭

[full forge]

do u even play?

[white raptor]

what about mines

[full forge]

^

[white raptor]

tf?

[shut ravine]

just bring mine deployer smh /j

[rose nova]

how

[balmy moat]

Lock melter S tier
Mines A tier
LR Flash B tier
C foam nade A tier
Fog rep A tier
Glowsticks is glowsticks
Fog rep B tier

[rose nova]

foam tripmine?

[balmy moat]

Maybe LR even C tier tbh

[full forge]

i thought those reinforce doors tho

[balmy moat]

Eh A tier imo

[rose nova]

nice

[shut ravine]

IM JOOKKINNG

[rose nova]

:[

u cant say that now

[shut ravine]

😭

promise they do

[rose nova]

mines dont do anythin to doors

they just explode enemies

and the door

[full forge]

i didnt know they gave the door more durablility

[white raptor]

no, you don't understand, nobody is safe if there is a mine deployer and a goose in the lobby

[rose nova]

so they do they opposite

[full forge]

hey now

[shut ravine]

i heard mines blow up the entire level so dont use them fr

[rose nova]

ive heard foam just functions on the floor

[shut ravine]

i've heard fog repellers kill all enemies in a room

[full forge]

no its better to use foam on the stairs

[balmy moat]

No u are wrong

[full forge]

dev tested! 🕶️

[balmy moat]

^^^^^^^^

[rose nova]

yeah stairs im sorry

i am a terrible gtfo player

ill die now

[shut ravine]

no they only function on the floor so they cant be used on stairs you were right

trust

[balmy moat]

Clarple hasn't seen it 💀

[white raptor]

trust

[balmy moat]

Someone get the clip

Link now

[full forge]

who has it?

[shut ravine]

im getting gtfo server lore

[full forge]

more like dev lore

[white raptor]

🤣

[shut ravine]

you know the tier list is terrible when people think its a shitpost tho

[balmy moat]

What do you rank carbine

The one gun missing

[shut ravine]

i'd probably still rank it very high because its the main gun i used before i tested bullpup and smg

[balmy moat]

Bullpup = laser, only thing really good about it
SMG = trash damage output

I don't know what you used for SMG but damn it is def not S tier

It is a WEAK gun

PDW > SMG

[shut ravine]

the other guy in the first slide john will not let me change the SMGs rating even though i keep saying its trash 😭

[rose nova]

g o o d

[shut ravine]

im trying to get better at the game by statistics and strategy but im slowly learning that i still just need to play the game more

[balmy moat]

Def check the weapons spreadsheet

It quite literally combats your entire tier list

[shut ravine]

yeahhh chill dude sent me this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Br_2A3n3YDO1v0Kld27KCLvwRYKJqjliyhntoT2NTp4/edit#gid=357939554

[balmy moat]

Ye

The actual statistics

[pine root]

why is hel gun the worst gun

[shut ravine]

every special had a clear thing that it was good at
except for the hel gun

thats why i put it so low

[balmy moat]

Eh you just don't have experience with it

[shut ravine]

obv

[balmy moat]

It's best at wave clearing

[pine root]

hel gun is probs the best gun in the game

[balmy moat]

In a straight line that is

[rose nova]

fast lots in mag good dmg good spam

[balmy moat]

Still 1 shots smols

[shut ravine]

^

[rose nova]

:3

just explainin is ok

[balmy moat]

Ye hel gun pretty busted

Even after nerf

[shut ravine]

so you''re saying rate it badly
make a good video saying its bad
then get it buffed

[balmy moat]

Eh don't think it'll change

Carbine and hel gun got nerfs but kinda needed tbh

Both are insanely cracked

Still is

[analog flicker]

you're cracked

gamer

[balmy moat]

ye i have a crack how did you know

[pine root]

spear is in a tier?

[balmy moat]

Let me guess: brand new player

[shut ravine]

does back count as precision btw?

[balmy moat]

Spear basically default noob melee

[pine root]

NO

[rose nova]

nope

[analog flicker]

n o

[rose nova]

[sharp owl]

nein

[shut ravine]

ok then thats a downside i didnt know
but my thought is that the only downside is that you cant sprint so its just a longer higher damage sledge hammer

"only"

[analog flicker]

eh

[pine root]

it has a few things wrong with it the main this is it "higher dmg" is two dmg that is back loaded on a headshot

and it doesnt have stagger good breakpoints sprint or shove

which is a few downsides not mentioned

i feel

[analog flicker]

should note. spear does less damage than hammer when not hitting precision/weakpoints

[shut ravine]

i still feel its much more "consistent" then hammer
just by having more range you can kill giants without being in punch range, being able to kill scouts farther

also when i was very first starting out i did the noob thing of hitting the floor with the hammer 😭

[analog flicker]

that's more "easier" than consistent tbh

[rose nova]

yeah but when u enter combat or wake up 2 enemies a bit far

then ur fucked

[pine root]

the problem is that is pretty much all you get. then hammer can do those things if you just know how to use it. and it gets some crazy befints tap stagger, good shove, double hits, and boss melee options

[shut ravine]

i got a question tho
whats the opinion on bat

[rose nova]

qwq

[gusty burrow]

It's medium at everything, but hammer is good at everything

[rose nova]

i

i like bat

[pine root]

bat is okay. bad hit box and it just sorta doesnt do anything better than anything

if hammer wasnt in game i think bat would be next most used

[shut ravine]

you all love staggers

[pine root]

na

[gusty burrow]

Enemy not attacking you is a very good way to be alive

Being alive is somewhat helpful for beating levels

[shut ravine]

nahhhh

[analog flicker]

1: get hit
or
2: stagger the enemy and not get hit

[rose nova]

if we loved staggers autosentry would b good, along with hel autopistol

which they arent

i mean in most situations at least

[shut ravine]

3: just dont get hit

[analog flicker]

tbf slendi. auto sentry's accuracy is shit

[sharp owl]

stab them lest you get stabbed

[shut ravine]

trust me i've seen it miss like 20 shots in a row

[rose nova]

i mean, still

[analog flicker]

hel pp on the otherhand is a great support

but that's practically all it is besides a magdumper

(despite some newcomers not realizing I'm staggering enemies in their faces with it)

which relates back to staggering the enemy to prevent the from hitting you

[shut ravine]

i think im blind or bad cause i cant stagger enemies with that gun for the life of me

[analog flicker]

also because not everyone knows how to dodge tongues/projectiles like vets

[shut ravine]

the W and A key on your keyboard 👍

idk how to dodge giants tho

[analog flicker]

in instruction. sure.
in practice. not everyone's got that

(not to mention factors of desync which can lead to several or all ways to dodge useless)

but eh. it's not as bad as it used to be

[shut ravine]

i've seen old videos that make desync look miserable

[analog flicker]

OG R6 Desync PTSD

[raven sierra]

hello clarple.

[wide bluff]

Anyone wanna join me and a buddy? We don't really wanna join the VC's in the discord server.

[rose nova]

hello, u dont have to join like talkin, u can mute urself to use the LFG

and specify ur usin ingame chat or audio

[wide bluff]

I wanna use VC. I just like the freedome of having more then 4 people in vc haha

[gusty burrow]

@wraith marsh I'd say fall-off end is slightly important for some weapons, but does err on the side of including a lot of excess information.

[wide bluff]

got a friend who wouldn't mind watching us play type of thing

[rose nova]

well theres vc mixed sizes

[wraith marsh]

yeah that was one of the things I was considering

I just dont think ppl ar egonna extract anything useful from it

hell, I dont even know fully how damage drop off is calced

fire rate/shot delay are other things im unsure about, but I dont think anyone is counting hundreths of a second while they play so I figured DPS was enough

[pine root]

do you want to blind speed r5a1 sec

[analog flicker]

When High cals range got "buffed"

(Less damage loss after damage range falloff)

Not an actual increase to the old 8m to be further

At least from what I gathered talking to some people in wiki chat.

[normal lake]

ive played with my team and had to yell at them to stop wasting ammo taking pot shots at enemies from over 30 meters away

so fucking many times

[sharp owl]

but the bots do it

[normal lake]

bots also shoot other players

[sharp owl]

i tend to shoot my bots too

😅

[normal lake]

yeah difference between us is i shoot mine when they piss me off

[sharp owl]

disrespectful

u should be ashamed

[normal lake]

subhuman garbage should know its place when they so much as graze me with one of there bullets

[sharp owl]

they need to put you down

[visual jungle]

wtf i was not expecting charger giants in a B level

error alarm at that too

[sharp owl]

takes a look at notes
ugh yeah thats normal

thank you for playing

luckily it stops after u scan hsu

[visual jungle]

o ok nice

[visual jungle]

ok done, finished with ease now that we know they came

[wraith marsh]

ok which one would people prefer on a spreadsheet for a DPS value:
An average DPS over 1 entire mag dumped into an enemy + the reload time, with the fire rate stated next to it
or
Just the regular dps it does

(the first option is pretty much "uptime" rather than dps itself isnt particularly useful to me, so I wanna know what other ppl think)

[sharp owl]

regular dps

dont think people gon be bothered with uptime and what not

[sharp owl]

there are more and more down the line

[visual jungle]

so this is a common r5 theme then?

don't remember that many charger giants in r4

[true pilot]

R5 is a hard rundown

so its funky

and its not just every level has big angy man

it gets worse

[visual jungle]

two big angy man?

[true pilot]

No

[sharp owl]

2 big guys

[true pilot]

it has fat men tho

so thats that

[visual jungle]

o

alright

Any specific levels that you'd recommend reading a guide or warning beforehand

[shut ravine]

you could have both but i think regular dps would be better

[sharp owl]

im usually against looking info on lvls beyond the data u get from the game menu but r5b3

[visual jungle]

ok thanks

Bc I usually just duo with a friend so it makes some levels very improbable to beat

[true pilot]

duo is way better than solo

so you atleast have a reasonable chance to beat most levels

[vestal crystal]

dps is mostly irrelevant

[wraith marsh]

agreed

ill just keep it like the other spreadsheets (but burst dps will actually be accurate unlike them cuz I see they cheated for the value)

[vestal crystal]

it does more harm than good making players consider that as a factor for weapon choice

[wraith marsh]

im also not putting the fucking

gigantic choke mod dps in

because its just stupid

[sharp owl]

are you doing optional objectives or only main?

[vestal crystal]

damage per bullet, and bullets to kill (like pistol being 1 head 2 body) like in the previous sheet is way more helpful than dps imo

[visual jungle]

just main

[wraith marsh]

#gtfo-media message

this is what it looks like rn

[visual jungle]

I'm happy to say our crowning achievement is doing everything before r4e1 in r4

[sharp owl]

ok then thats the only one id advise to look up rest should be easy

[visual jungle]

Okey dokey

[signal plaza]

yeah and a lot of hot milfs🥵

[true pilot]

do NOT lewd the scout!

[gusty burrow]

Damage fall-off is linear between fall-off start and fall-off end, but never goes below 0.1 * damage.
(So you actually meet the minimum damage amount at:
( 9 * far + near) / 10
meters away, which is slightly closer than fall-off end).

[wraith marsh]

so it falls off from 100% to 10% linearly over the distance?

starting at start

time to start minmaxing pistol efficiency by shooting them in the head once at <10 damage range then again in regular range for 2 shot kill

👿

[latent palm]

4 big guys

and they grab by my thighs

[sharp owl]

and they bust in my eyes

[signal plaza]

I’m not talking about the scout👀

[gusty burrow]

Linearly falls from 100% to 0% between near and far, but never goes below 10%
OR
Linearly falls from 100% to 10% between near and (9 * far + near)/10.

[wraith marsh]

ahhh I get what you meant now

[gusty burrow]

E.g. this is hel revo, fall off start at 10, fall off end at 80
#gtfo-media message

[wraith marsh]

makes sense

glad thats not super convoluted

[true pilot]

i know, but also - do NOT lewd the scout

neither do that to her

[sharp owl]

😐

[visual jungle]

🤨

[normal lake]

r5 right i dont remember what map it was some error alarm, just about pissed myself when i saw 2 giant chargers barreling through the fucking door

[visual jungle]

yea we probably had the same level

My first thought was "huh my high cal isn't killing them" then I heard them roar and I realized SHIT

[normal lake]

i fear nothing in this game except giant chargers

all it takes is one sneaking up on you and its gg your asshole is now a decorative hat

[visual jungle]

My fastest team wipe was by a single giant charger

[normal lake]

pretty much same for me

nothing can take a team of people will full hp to death faster

[visual jungle]

I think burst cannon would excel really well in maps with plenty of them

But I find it to be such a niche weapon

[normal lake]

yep its to hard to use a niche weapon as a base pick and if your doing a map blind its better to go with a safer choice

[wraith marsh]

Finished mains, spreadsheet will be done tomorrow prolly

[idle jolt]

just tried soloing r1b2 without bots and i wiped to extraction ;^;

went from 91 hp to 0 at about 60%

[lone wraith]

That happened to me twice lol

[remote rivet]

i am just now

reading the lore for this game

[sharp owl]

yeah in the end it ends

[true pilot]

covid on stereoids noises intensify

[jade iron]

the bulk of the game is comfortably duoable, imo vanilla balance is usually at its finest in duos

the entire game if you're sweaty enough

[remote rivet]

ah yes, the old- dmr-shotgun combo

[sharp owl]

covid boosters are horrible they abuse animals to make em

[remote rivet]

alwayus works

except for when anything that's bigger than a charger shows up

then i pray someone took a sniper or HEL gun

[normal lake]

gotta take the gtfo version of the super shotgun aka ol sawed off

i cant aim so dmr is a no go

[remote rivet]

if i'm off on aim i just run carbine

[normal lake]

but i can get close to a enemy and start unloading

[jade iron]

dps has its place imo
tbh I hate it when people quote damage per bullet for autos at me, the majority of work done by autos is body dps work with inconsistent precision damage thrown in
also dps determines how long you have to point a lot of the guns at bigs to bring them down, which matters

[remote rivet]

it's not bad

[remote rivet]

i prefer the chokemod at that point

sawedoff just sucks everywhere that ISN'T smalls

[visual jungle]

I like using dmr and high cal/choke mod is starting to grow on me for all its faults

[remote rivet]

choke is good though no?

[visual jungle]

Meant high cal

[remote rivet]

oh

[visual jungle]

I use both

[normal lake]

i feel a weapon with a very very good time to kill is extremely important for atleast one slot so i usually run something like high cal pistol in my special

[normal lake]

tbf what main doesnt

[sharp owl]

generally yeah its a good special

[remote rivet]

that is true

most mains are ass at anything big

[visual jungle]

Main for smalls, special for big boys

[remote rivet]

though the carbine usually works but doesn't have enough ammo

[visual jungle]

That's how I see it

[remote rivet]

oh i use HEL pistol for main

[normal lake]

ive had high cal save my runs so many times when i end up being last man standing and have to clutch up or fail

[remote rivet]

main is soley to stagger things for eons while my team murders

[normal lake]

one shot staggering giants and just straight up one shotting smalls with a decent clip size is so handy

[remote rivet]

yeah hel autopistol and choke mod are my go to

downside is that the ammo counts could not be ANY more different

i can be 30% on choke and 90% on main

it's fucking wild

[visual jungle]

that's crazy I never really could like hel autopistol

[remote rivet]

the stagger is just too good to pass up

[normal lake]

this is why i like high cal, cant seem to use it fast enough to compete with main

[sharp owl]

the 2 dont synergize well

[remote rivet]

they do not but damn is it fun to lock a hybrid in place as i stroll up to him and then swap to choke

he can do nothing

only watch as i approach with my finger glued to the trigger

[sharp owl]

its annoying to have to wait for the guy to shoot like 30% off for next alarm and what not

[visual jungle]

staggering is good but I can stagger pretty well with high cal

and choke mod just murders anyways

[remote rivet]

i would run hel revolver choke

but i don't have good enough aim yet

HR and choke is possibly my favorite combo

[sharp owl]

i find myself stopping a lot mid spray when using it or machine pistol

[normal lake]

a quick long range stagger is the main reason i run high cal

it was the only reason i finished my duo r5b4 run first attempt

[sharp owl]

i usually do short bursts with mains and if i have veruta i hold finger until orange death marker

[remote rivet]

ah yes

the beam gun

no that's not beam that's the MG

was thinking of SMG

that's the beam gun

still either way, i find that unless i absolutely need it, running choke mod and a main that suits the general level is better

for levels where i know there's fog i usually take PDW for thermals

[sharp owl]

i dont use choke as much as i use veruta

while its nice veruta feels much better since its my 2nd best weapon

[remote rivet]

veruta is nice but i do like the choke more for a secondary hotswap

if i'm second timing or on a level with a lot of enemies i take it

but when i need to possibly whip around and onetap something before it gets my teammate or a scout before it wakes up because again, bad teammate- choke mod.

or normal shotgun if i think ammo will be scarce

[sharp owl]

i also take veruta cuz i play with bots 99% of the time and they dont full auto at reliable distance so i have to be the one that holds the line

[remote rivet]

okay that's valid

bots can't full auto anything

shotguns and automatics are useless on them

[sharp owl]

i used to take sniper in r6 but back then it was the GUN to take

[remote rivet]

r6 sniper was just insanely unfair

so

that's valid

[sharp owl]

me n a friend were playing r3 and decided to give 2 bots burst cannons

sometimes i liked what they did with it

[remote rivet]

the "fuck anything under this scope" gun

i miss r6 sniper

[sharp owl]

and some other times i hated that i instantly went down cuz i stood in front of a bot for a scan (how dare i)

[normal lake]

if it exist it wont for much longer the gun

[visual jungle]

I give bots ar and arbalist and they do ok with them

[sharp owl]

until they decide its melee time cuz a horde exists within 5 meters

[visual jungle]

Ah yes

When a charger runs up to them and they swap to melee

[remote rivet]

we need a gun that fires 700 nitro express.

[visual jungle]

Terrible to see and hear

"I'm down!" -Bishops 2nd most common line when dealing with charger wave

[normal lake]

i want a gun that is literally just a fucking old 1700s boat cannon

[remote rivet]

SSK .950 JDJ rifle

downside, deals damage to you when you shoot it from sheer fucking recoil

[normal lake]

gotta use the musket and grapeshot for home defense just as the founding fathers intended

[remote rivet]

ngl

i would fucking KILL for the abillity to use attachments on some guns

please, just let me use ironsights on some guns

[visual jungle]

oh that reminds me I was discussing with a friend how good swords would be in gtfo

I think they would be amazing

[remote rivet]

swords would be goated

[normal lake]

i think it would slightly break balance but yeah some ability to modify sights would be great

most of the sights in the game feel like shit

[remote rivet]

more than dogshit

they feel like they're all on the wrong guns

[sharp owl]

some cool ones are locked away from us

never to be seen

[remote rivet]

why does the PDW have a fucking thermal

[sharp owl]

cuz its the best main

[remote rivet]

i won't debate that, i do love PDW

[normal lake]

only full auto main worth using

[remote rivet]

it is very very nice.

[sharp owl]

also its the first gun to have a thermal along with PR on r7 release

[normal lake]

but sawed off still feels better and is objectively more fun to use

[remote rivet]

thermals, good gun, good ammo, and automatic?

[remote rivet]

for fun i go the "shotgun knight" build

[visual jungle]

almost like they want you to only use that main

[normal lake]

fucking love gunning down hordes of smalls like fucking doom slayer

[sharp owl]

also reload cancel

😩

[remote rivet]

hel shotgun and choke mod, shotgun sentry

i simply wait for the team to fuck up

[normal lake]

im incapable of using helshotgun

[remote rivet]

look at enemy

[sharp owl]

shotgun sentries is nice as well

prolly best sentry

[remote rivet]

right click untill you can no longer look at enemy

[remote rivet]

it's underrated

but i think the range on it makes it bad

[visual jungle]

hel shotgun is weird for me I find other shotguns do a better job of clearing a horde

[remote rivet]

...

[sharp owl]

well more range on a shotgun doesnt sound good plus it doesnt hit center mass

[remote rivet]

we need a fletchette gun

or a slug shotgun

cfoam shotgun.

[normal lake]

yeah using hel shotgun feels lackluster and i just dont like how the gun feels

just not fun to use imo

[sharp owl]

it can miss most of its pellets if not all

[remote rivet]

okay but, a cfoam shotgun.

[sharp owl]

unless u give it tight spread so choke mod sentry but at that point just use sniper sentry

[remote rivet]

less ammo than cfoam launcher but has better range

[sharp owl]

helshotgun is the ultimate fuck this horde of enemies in front of me

[remote rivet]

surge alarm best friend

two dudes with HeL shotguns and just sit at the choke point with stagger sentries

[sharp owl]

lot of ammo and ability to solo hold (assuming youre good at the game) like no other

[visual jungle]

did not feel like that but maybe because there wasn't enough monsters in one place?

I'll give it a go if I have a chance

[remote rivet]

while you're at it try running a full stagger build

you may do no damage

but fuck is it funny

bat, helautopistol, and choke

auto sentry

and just watch whatever you look at stop moving and stumble like an irish man on a saturday night

[sharp owl]

get to the nearest surge and see for yourself

[remote rivet]

could also just do R2B1

has a blood door right away

favorite level for gun testing

[visual jungle]

oooh I'll make a note of that

[remote rivet]

yeah the level is mostly blood doors and a VERY long alarm

so i like to use it to practice my gunplay

[visual jungle]

The way I've been testing guns is just picking different weapons each time I go into a new level

[remote rivet]

that's the best way

but i also want to get better with a gun in alarm scenarios specifically

so a prolonged alarm in a massive room is a good way to test

anyways ima leave

it is 3 am

[visual jungle]

It's almost 6 here

I have a movie to go see in 12 hours

[sharp owl]

what noo stay here its cozy

[coarse grail]

are you watching the barbie movie?

[opaque stag]

r5c1 best testing level

s alarm at the start

[normal lake]

judging a guns worth in this game is to difficult to go based on how objectively good it is

i just go by how fun the gun is to use

[sharp owl]

who even watches that

[visual jungle]

Oppenheimer

[visual jungle]

Lots of women

Was in the line for tickets Monday and saw tons of girls wearing pink and posing for pics etc etc

[true pilot]

oppenheimer when his bomb meant to explode explodes

[visual jungle]

My le bomb...

[true pilot]

i wish we had a nuke in gtfo

it would be a cool mission

[normal lake]

mission ends in suicide when the warden refuses to let you extract and your whole team dies

would be a banger e tier mission for r8 as the final level

[true pilot]

[true pilot]

no F tier

cause we all die

[coarse grail]

nice I watched that one it was really good

hope you enjoy

[visual jungle]

sounds like a final mission where you make sure the nuke is armed before leaving and there's external terminals to enter verification codes...wait a minute....

[true pilot]

NO!

tbf i am still sad other than that one mission in R6 we never really got a timed mission

that just ends when time runs out

[coarse grail]

it was my view that it was a film for girls but apparently I need disabusing of that idea

[remote rivet]

There’s a mission in r6 that just

Ends?

Sorry I came back

Can’t sleep

[coarse lily]

R5B4? R7C3? R6CX?

[sharp owl]

yes you go in and the warden says go back in the pod

[sharp owl]

i barely watches movies in the first place but a barbie movie, hell naw

[coarse grail]

Watch thomas shelby make a nuke instead

[visual jungle]

not a girl but I can sort of get why every girl is going maybe? Imagine there was a movie for GI Joe that came out now

[true pilot]

i don't remember R7C3 but R5B4 is not really a good example since you can just sit in the fog

[sharp owl]

theres many stuff in line i wanna watch but didnt watch a thing yet

[true pilot]

and was R6CX the one that spawns a surge error alarm when time runs out?

[normal lake]

i refuse to watch anything produced within the united states because of ethical reasons so i watch basically nothing

[sharp owl]

absolutely based

[coarse lily]

that's R6D3 but same concept i guess? just no timer on that one

[visual jungle]

Erm akshually the actors name is cillian murphy 🤓

[true pilot]

i don't remember R6 missions well anymore

[normal lake]

human traffiking in hollywood is mostly done by the elite and fuckin disgust me to no end and id rather stare at the sun than give them a dime of revenue

[sharp owl]

its Cillian Murphy, Capitalize your letters thank you

[visual jungle]

Sorry Will Do Next Time

[sharp owl]

lets watch sound of freedom together

[coarse lily]

aside from R6C3 and R6D3, other missions are not worth remembering

[true pilot]

R6D1

will always stay with me

[normal lake]

only if its done through piracy would i even consider it

[pale hemlock]

*It's
*capitalise

[normal lake]

but most of the shit they produce is precisely that, shit so i could care less

[visual jungle]

Uh oh

[sharp owl]

boy do i have the platform for you

[remote rivet]

Eh?

[sharp owl]

we can discuss further in the back

[sharp owl]

yeah r6c4

[pale hemlock]

we can discuss further in your mum

[sharp owl]

currently busy, another time then

[coarse grail]

the fabled grammar nazi dm slide

[remote rivet]

D4?

[sharp owl]

aint messing around

[remote rivet]

There isn’t a c4 iirc

[normal lake]

azert on his way to say something to controversial for gtfo chat

[pale hemlock]

there was cx

[normal lake]

you know hes serious

[coarse lily]

R6D4 runs like crap

[sharp owl]

no d4 is teleport around stuff c4 is where warden makes mistake and tells you to go back

[visual jungle]

Warden makes mistake!???

[coarse lily]

r6C4??? o__O??? secret level?

[sharp owl]

id start spilling the beans but no one wants to help

[normal lake]

azert you can always count on me to stir shit if necessary

[visual jungle]

Unless you mean c4 is just the warden trolling you

[sharp owl]

pick your poison and ill leave you to die on the hill at some point

[true pilot]

warden is always trolling you

[normal lake]

cant die on a hill i was never on

[coarse lily]

what's R6C4? am i going crazy?

[sharp owl]

uplink going error and then warden says its gtfo time

[normal lake]

i just defend the hill as if i am on it

[sharp owl]

good soldier

[visual jungle]

huh sounds neat

I'll be waiting for r6 to release again then

[pale hemlock]

R6CX, had the shadow error alarm

[sharp owl]

||its the same as r5d2 where last reactor wave goes nuts and tells you to leave||

[visual jungle]

YOOOOOOOOOOO

Ruining my r5d2 immersion

[coarse grail]

omg Azert I was gonna play that level

[coarse lily]

damn, I needed to take my meds for that thought there was R6C4 for like a good minute there... what a way to trigger my schizo

[sharp owl]

im sorry i slipped alright

[visual jungle]

Mods ban this guy for spoiling the entire game

[sharp owl]

no please 😭

[normal lake]

good soldiers follow orders

[visual jungle]

ok that was a good laugh but I must go now cya gents

[sharp owl]

cya

[tepid briar]

I'm new to games but I want to play together but I don't know how to play together, and I don't know English well either T.T

[sharp owl]

you can check highlighted communities in accordance to your region you may find a server that speaks your language

[junior latch]

its fine
Gun rly lacks everything else

[junior latch]

i mean, being automatic isnt that good :|

[junior latch]

ye no

it has immense output when it works tho

[junior latch]

hel shotty go brrr. Pen + massive mag = slaughter

[green rivet]

No, C4 is an explosive

[sharp owl]

sniper sentry?

[sharp owl]

im the one driving planes and pickup trucks into buildings and exploding

[elfin osprey]

hel shotgun is a special weapon that got put into main

yes its weird, also yes it work and it make horde of enemy look like a joke becaus of the hel round

[analog flicker]

Hel shotgun ironically is one of the ones with better horde clear-

Often misunderstood by newcomers unfortunately

[sharp owl]

Shotgun sentry cosplay

[analog flicker]

I wish shotgun sentry was better.

[sharp owl]

Shotgun sentry is the best rn

[sharp siren]

ss its really good

[junior latch]

burst sentry is best rn

shotgun sentry is definetly not garbage anymore tho

[mint light]

has been for a .... while

[junior latch]

i wouldnt casually take it

you need very specific setup

[little ridge]

For burst sentry?

I think the other 3 sentries qualify more as far as "need specific setup/situation" goes

[junior latch]

for shotgun sentry lol

[opaque stag]

fuckin hell, almost finished it and didn't have enough ammo/health running to exit

[little ridge]

Yeah, might wanna swap to Sniper if you're with 3 bots

What main are you using?

[opaque stag]

sawed-off funnily enough

previous attempts were hsmg

[little ridge]

Why cqc stuff?

I get that jumping on the truck aint a choice because it fucks the bots up

[opaque stag]

bots are carbine/veruta, burst/s870 and dmr/har

[little ridge]

But I'd rather take Carbine if you want to have a close range alternative

Usually I just give bots Burst rifle/Veruta and they do fine enough with everything

[burnt flume]

I feel like r1c1 with bots should be piss easy, but what do I know

[little ridge]

used to give them burst cannon before nerf for specific cases like R3C1's extraction and watched them maul the waves by themselves

[little ridge]

It really depends on your loadout and your setup tbh

[opaque stag]

also been using precision rifle lel, think i'm just gonna use hel rifle instead of that

[little ridge]

Bots ain't going to go back for looting shit

[burnt flume]

Why would you ever use precision rifle

[opaque stag]

meme

[little ridge]

And they tend to fuck up if you try to hold in some places

[little ridge]

I like it there by using it on top of truck

You can basically spawnkill them

Low visibility+a lot of smalls

[opaque stag]

that thing really needs faster reload and an actual precision bonus

[little ridge]

The problem is the 3hybrids+3giants at waves 4-6-8

[opaque stag]

literally no gun except sniper has a multiplier more than 1

the gun with that in the name should have at least 2x precision

[little ridge]

And the fact that standing on truck with bots around aint an option since they fuck up the pathing and go down the bridge

[elfin osprey]

to see where ur walking, while bringing hel rev/carbine and hate pdw

[little ridge]

I'd tried breach instead of bridge but it's a longer walk from there to reactor to put the code in

[wispy bluff]

Also its lame

Bridges are the canonical point to defend against enemy forces, ask the Germans

[little ridge]

I never do breach because I feel like it's a dickmove to whoever's on code duty

[burnt flume]

Ask the vikings who invaded England in the 11th century

Battle for Stamford Bridge, which sounds really epic until you realise its a tiny wooden bridge across a small stream

[elfin osprey]

we hold at bridge, behind is the civilian, infront is the enemy, never back down

[true pilot]

why did they just not burn the bridge and built a new one

[jade iron]

r6dx is a middling level rendered cancer tier by running like garbage

r6d4 is an awesome level rendered not quite awesome by performance issues in certain parts

charger t-scan mostly

also while r6c2 main is pretty rote, r6c2ex is still one of the best optionals ever made

(the S scan cheese is cringe but the S scan doesn't matter)

[junior latch]

Precision rifle at 1.3

[mint light]

one dude with a snipe negates the sec

[jade iron]

no, one dude with a sniper holds the wave while other people coordinate to do other things

[junior latch]

still a challenge to do this duo + nerfed sniper gonna be far far more of a rush

[mint light]

nerfed sniper still one mags waves, you just need 2 or three more refills

[junior latch]

The duo strat skipping fog turbine for the end wasnt a meme

It legit saved needed time

[junior latch]

you need 3 refills per 2 before

that means you can hold for 33% less. Thats a ton less lol

[mint light]

2 or 3 refills bet

[junior latch]

nah

you needed to be at 100% + 5 use usually

and then could pick up 2-4 more uses to stablize

now you need more than 100% (since thats 3 uses each) and more uses overall for the same holding time

obviously its not omega hard

But quite fun and a good challenge

1 miss equals a lot of pain