gtfo-chat

[lofty grotto]

with friends

[sharp owl]

Ah

[lofty grotto]

There was alot of fails tho

[sharp owl]

Congratulations nonetheless

[lofty grotto]

thx Azert, that level took away ALOT of my good boosters that would have needed it

[sharp owl]

Well you got the clear its well worth it

[lofty grotto]

Basically, I am a Bio as usual, but I took Sniper cuz those Hybs are a major threat during surges

we had someone who took Bioscan boosters (50+ %)

Those shadow giants are mean

[sharp owl]

I wouldn't do it myself

[sharp owl]

Damn

[lofty grotto]

Yea well... I didnt know there was ALOT of Surge scans

and an error alarm to boot

[sharp owl]

You never seen the lvl before?

[lofty grotto]

Yup

Farthest I got on my own was those first two surge alarms (but died immediately afetr finishing that 2nd cuz too many hybs still alive)

Next level to clear a rundown is R3 A3

[sharp owl]

How many lvls left now?

[lofty grotto]

For which rundown?

[sharp owl]

Alts

All

[lofty grotto]

I know R4 and 5 still have plenty left due to hard levels

but R3 A3 is the only one left for R3

[sharp owl]

Ah ok

I only need r4e1 secondary and r5e1

[lofty grotto]

Those are definitely on the list that I need to clear em

[sharp owl]

R5e1 possibly with bots

But still figuring out the stuff I need to do with botd

[lofty grotto]

really?

[sharp owl]

It is doable

[lofty grotto]

interesting

[sharp owl]

Plan is being devoloped

[lofty grotto]

isnt R5E1 Infection start?

[sharp owl]

Yes

But only 1 man 😏

[lofty grotto]

1 man and 3 bots?

[sharp owl]

Yes

[lofty grotto]

Im assuming Infection Resists?

[sharp owl]

The lvl has disinfect so no need

Prolly bio scan and maybe med eff

If i need

Probably will

[analog flicker]

100% infection resist! Stat!

[sharp owl]

Don't you like chugging down the Capri sun

[rough robin]

infection res not useful on e1?

does it not help the initial 100%

[wraith marsh]

it does, you just gotta stand in the fog till its gone

[grizzled bison]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-back-dog-golden-retriever-back-golden-retriever-scared-golden-retriever-disgusted-gif-26048691

[robust gull]

tbh don't sweat r5e1 too hard. level is very front loaded in difficulty

survive the first error and you're cruising

[storm quartz]

They really hand out a lot of early disinfects stations on infection levels

could have waited to give the station after Charger error, there's enough disinfect packs for that

[pine root]

I WOULD HAVE LIKe one there more than

were it is

[sharp owl]

The real challenge is the 2 mom and 2 tanks, once those are out of the picture rest of the lvl should be a breeze

[wraith marsh]

bro doin cell skip with bots

[sharp owl]

Its not impossible

Lot of error killing for sure

[wraith marsh]

with boosters right

[sharp owl]

I have to play through the lvl to get a feel for it

And plan accordingly

[analog flicker]

[wraith marsh]

I do not think you will have the ammo with bots

efficiency might not even be enough

[sharp owl]

I already have the map layout and requirements in a file

[sharp owl]

Manual melee but hybrids will be pain

[wraith marsh]

the bots will be using ammo anyways

[sharp owl]

I'm certain I'm not doing cell skip

[wraith marsh]

you will not be able to stealth the giant zone before

so thats a huge ammo dump

pushing will likely be slow to even get the cell

[lofty grotto]

cell skip?

[wraith marsh]

gonna have to kill tank with error going

(granted that would happen later anyways if you didnt cell skip)

[sharp owl]

Yeah the first part will be pain but after that smooth until tank

[sharp owl]

Yeah it's where you keep cell till the last bit to skip like half the lvl

[lofty grotto]

ah

[sharp owl]

Won't have the luxury to take my time with him

Now there is a slight slight chance that I can sneak through the tank since he spawns sleeping for some reason

[wraith marsh]

without cell skip right?

[sharp owl]

Yeah

[wraith marsh]

cuz youre meant to stealth both of those rooms

mom and tank

(tank a bit less so)

[sharp owl]

No i meant the error blood door one

[wraith marsh]

oh

I doubt you can stealth that mf

[pine root]

chill tile rando gtfo pro

is insane

[sharp owl]

Giant error keeps bot active in combat so if they kill the chargers from the blood door I might sneak get cell n leave

But that's low chance of happening

[wraith marsh]

wish I was there

[wraith marsh]

I dont know if its a scream door or not

its gotta be right?

[sharp owl]

Nope

[wraith marsh]

thats funny

[sharp owl]

Tank just there chillin

[wraith marsh]

ngl

you might be able to cfoam and execute his ass but thatd be kinda risky

I do not know how much dps the bots would put out on that, but im assuming its not enough

[sharp owl]

Barely anything

I do all the dmg to bosses unfortunately

[wraith marsh]

are you gonna be running sniper

yourself

[sharp owl]

Sniper or veruta

[wraith marsh]

(I only mention this cuz you get a bunch of consumables in the charger error starting zone with the key)

[sharp owl]

The locker box heaven yeah

[lofty grotto]

whelp... im gunna see if I would want to take on that R3 A3 tomorrow

[fair loom]

Bolt?

[lofty grotto]

Yea\

[sharp owl]

With people its easy

It'll be a quick one

[clear parcel]

Just wanna know where’s the R8 release

[robust gull]

wait do bots start level with 100% infection

[sharp owl]

No

[robust gull]

i think thats what determines if r5e1 cell skip gives you cancer or not

[sharp owl]

Infection free

[wraith marsh]

I dont know personally, but azert seems to

[robust gull]

i know usually they do not get infected i just wondered if the level starts them with it

[sharp owl]

Yeah I loaded in earlier and got as far as class 3 alarm then power went out

[robust gull]

i think with boosters bot cell skip would be fine then

because even if you ran out of ammo you aren't down 12 uses of med so they can afford to derp out a little

[sharp owl]

That would require me to bring sniper

[wraith marsh]

the difficulty comes from a different part than with players

you arent surviving the charger zone with bots if you run out of ammo

[robust gull]

keep in mind this is in a vacuum, you still have to do the rest of the level with bots, including a class 4 surge at the end

[wraith marsh]

bots are fine for surges tbh

if you did deactivate alarms you would have all the time in the world to prep

[sharp owl]

Iirc the zone before it has plenty of ammo and tool

Or giant kite and deactivate surge as well

[robust gull]

not a surge during an error, you have to lose half the door hp to commanding a mine, cfoaming yourself, then having to be the one to pull the door.

[wraith marsh]

yeah but why bother at that point

id rather have full prep time

[sharp owl]

Extra precaution

[wraith marsh]

scatter you deactivate alarms

[robust gull]

on a cell skip?

defeats the point, no?

[wraith marsh]

yes but its with bots

you already defeated the point

this is being considered just for a clear

[fair loom]

im fairly inexperienced, only about 80 hours, is kiting still viable? it used to be apparently but can you still do it successfully

[wraith marsh]

circle kiting died

regular kiting still works just more game knowledge reliant than before

[sharp owl]

Giant kiting but try not to get licked aggressively

[proven steppe]

Giant kiting is dangerous as you’re aggro-ing him to hit you at melee range

[wraith marsh]

what

what?

[proven steppe]

Am I wrong on the kiting subject

[sharp owl]

He's talking about baiting melee

[wraith marsh]

yes

I think you might have the completely wrong idea

[sharp owl]

Its capping spawn with giants and Taking them for a spin

[proven steppe]

Oh

[wraith marsh]

giant kiting is spawn capping on giants cuz theyre slower than regulars and leading them as far away from where youre going so that they take forever when you run back

[proven steppe]

Yea then I’m wrong on what I said

[robust gull]

np bro you learnin

you good

[sharp owl]

Allgood

[robust gull]

anyways not common for a reason

gives you turbo cancer

boring

[fair loom]

turbo cancer lol

[sharp owl]

You don't like an extra hour of just kiting?

[wraith marsh]

kiting boringg unless its gtfo_pro

[robust gull]

me and the boys watching a pink triangle on the map running back 18 zones while we draw dicks on the map

peak 45$ content

[sharp owl]

What's that

[wraith marsh]

a mod

[robust gull]

vermintide gtfo

[sharp owl]

What does it do

[robust gull]

hp on melee kills, no stamina, x400000 spawn cap

and spawn rate

or w/e

[wraith marsh]

deletes stamina, doubled enemies, heal 5 on melee kill

[sharp owl]

Ah

[wraith marsh]

a few minor gun changes, and you get like 50% more ammo

its really fun

[robust gull]

its actually funny because at that point vermintide is literally up your alley

[wraith marsh]

we be playing it combined with a room rando for vanilla levels

[robust gull]

the higher difficulties have you pumped with onhit/onkill temp hp

[sharp owl]

Would the spawn cap make surges worse?

[wraith marsh]

yes

[sharp owl]

Well i don't wanna feel like I'm being chased by angry stray dogs

BTW where is the error terminal for the tank blood door

[storm quartz]

After the surge

[sharp owl]

That's not intuitive design

[wraith marsh]

yeah its in that long hallway

I mean

the fuckin

cell error terminal is the one in the starting zone

[storm quartz]

Which cell error

[sharp owl]

Well its something you can do that would help
Like the error terminal basically being 1 min away from extract is just not good design

[wraith marsh]

the "error" on the door that takes a cell

I mean

it lets you enjoy the ending

you finish all the hectic shit, everything quiets

and you extract in the cool ass tile

its a great ending imo

[sharp owl]

That's fair

[junior latch]

huh, where else would you want it?

[sharp owl]

I guess idk 🤔

Feel like having that right before the end is not good design but chill made the point of to enjoy the ending

[wraith marsh]

I dont even get how its not good design

as in like

why not leave it like other levels where you just finish extract with the error going?

or what

[stiff bronze]

so how bad would the ping be if I, an aussie, tried to play with europeans or americans? game's matchmaking never finds anyone over here and i dont have much luck with the oceanic matchmaking chat either.

[junior latch]

putting it earlier = empty ending space for no reason

no ending to error = no suprising fog disppearance moment

[left kelp]

Depending on hosts' internet, it won't be too bad

[stiff bronze]

thanks

[wraith marsh]

itll be noticeable but playable

[left kelp]

Desync doesn't interfere much with the gameplay

[proven steppe]

Was there like fixes to weird bugging out sometime when entering room

[wraith marsh]

where you go into the void?

[left kelp]

Galaxy bug

Crazy

[proven steppe]

my whole screen just go into the void for like

3 seconds

[wraith marsh]

if so the fix is play on base (55) fov or smaller

"fix"

[left kelp]

Do not

[wraith marsh]

but no

[junior latch]

door void bug be unfixed (hopefully stays that way)

[left kelp]

Just leave the room and just go back in again

[sharp owl]

Maybe I'm just salty cuz I usually extract immediately

[left kelp]

The game as a great culling system

[wraith marsh]

fov based culling system

letsfuckinggo

[proven steppe]

Man, I like 120 fov

welp it is what it is

[wraith marsh]

the only thing I could see is that theres no precedent considering 95% of levels have you hot extract

[proven steppe]

its kinda hindering the gameplay sometime

[wraith marsh]

but deactivate alarms is introduced on that level

so precedents are kinda null

[left kelp]

Its inconvenient, but not necessarily run ending

[wraith marsh]

you get benefits from higher fov so its fine

[left kelp]

I still hate it though

[wraith marsh]

looking up while rezzing being a big one

[sharp owl]

I suppose you're right

[junior latch]

depth perception suffer at that point tho due to stuff being warped on the sides

[wraith marsh]

yeah cuz ppl play on 120 VERTICAL

aka TOO MUCH

[junior latch]

ye

[wraith marsh]

I need to stop harping on this

ive done it too many times now

(not at players, at the game)

[left kelp]

L

[jade iron]

I personally find aus -> eu unbearable

[sharp owl]

I think you should every time

[jade iron]

it ends up being something like close to a second of delay between shooting something and that thing reacting to the hit

[stiff bronze]

yike

[wraith marsh]

that uhh

sounds like some issues more than just the distance

cuz ive played with asia hosts from mid na and its not that bad

[jade iron]

also depending on connection quality, you can get some massive desyncs which cause security doors to stay closed on you for like a minute, and other weird phenomena

[wraith marsh]

desync is not the same as ping issues

[jade iron]

this isn't as far as aus -> eu

[left kelp]

I've heard from other aussies that internet there is just inconsistent or bad

[junior latch]

desync happens more on ping issues tho iirc

[stiff bronze]

my internet isnt bad, but its gonna mostly be a distance issue

[wraith marsh]

that is true I think yeah

desync is dropped packets

[stiff bronze]

but when compared to a "never play the game because you can't find anyone" issue, you take the lesser evil i guess

[wraith marsh]

ping is just it takes longer for the packet to get sent

[junior latch]

i do semi regularly play with aus/new zealand from eu and play with someone from na (host) while having someone from aus in the party

They do have noticeable lag (and so do i) but its usually very playable. Its fancy going to host yourself then tho and see the difference

[wraith marsh]

cuz its more distance

[left kelp]

Might be a "fuck around and find out for yourself" type thing

[stiff bronze]

might be quite a while before i see someone hosting a level i actually have unlocked, which is fun. i wouldnt want to host and screw everyone else over

[wraith marsh]

honestly if youre new you probably wont be able to tell when ping is fuckin you over rather than just the game cuz of how enemies move in this game anyways

[left kelp]

You can join whatever tbh, even if the level you're joining is locked for you

[stiff bronze]

newish in that im so rusty i might as well be new, but ive played a few rundowns

oh really? sick.

reckon it would be better to aim for an eu server than an american one, pingwise?

[junior latch]

dont worry about fucking others over

At worst just add a (host from aus) at the end of the lfg post or smth

people will join

[jade iron]

aus -> us would almost certainly be better

[junior latch]

just less so than if you didnt say that

[stiff bronze]

if i host itll be 3 lagging guys as opposed to one tho

[junior latch]

if you only post in aus people probably wont join much cuz barely anyone checks it

[junior latch]

it might be other aus people joining (see fn here) or people who dont mind

hell most people play eu/na where you get lags aswell

[stiff bronze]

yeah, they certainly dont

[proven steppe]

Yea

Gameplay wise, not a lot change despite the ping issue

just you probably dont get touch by the tongue way more often

and your shot just feel weird sometime

Oh yea biotracker also show triangle despite target dead

[sharp owl]

can anyone tell me how to play with bots only

[thick temple]

click on the red boxes in your lobby that say "players only", "players & bots", "bots only", or "locked" and make sure they all allow bots

[sharp owl]

thx

[sharp owl]

how do i make sure it allows bots

[thick temple]

select one of the options that has the word "bots" in it

[wraith marsh]

if you do it correctly a bot will pop in the slot shortly after

[junior latch]

isnt it players n bots by default?

[outer bear]

is occiput the back of the head or the neck

[wraith marsh]

head

[left kelp]

Head from behind

[dull roost]

new guy here

i want recommendation for the game

buying a new pc so it has to high end

any suggestion

[rough robin]

game...good?

[coarse grail]

I endorse GTFO

[sharp owl]

bad game

[rough robin]

I hate this game (It is the most engaging game ive played all year)

[edgy flax]

As someone with over 72 minutes into the game I can wholeheartedly endorse GTFO.

[proven steppe]

Terrible game but I still play because it’s hard

[sharp owl]

R6 when

[heady roost]

anyone looking a group to die horribly with mon to -04 🙂

[rose nova]

hello, u can find n share lobbies in the LFG channels

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[rose nova]

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel

and if you are new be sure to do the tutorial first [Training] and start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one

[plain pecan]

anyone here has the link to an old old community server called GTFO APAC? back when the game was still free

[rose nova]

... gtfo was free?

[plain pecan]

yes, for the beta or alpha

[rose nova]

oh right, just for a couple days i think

[plain pecan]

more like weeks

[heady roost]

just finished it there actually think this is ma new addiction

[rose nova]

oh nevermind KMSDKM

[rose nova]

:D

[plain pecan]

on this topic is the game actually "completed"?

[sharp owl]

mechanically yes

[plain pecan]

so im guessing just new logs in new rundowns?

[sharp owl]

there is still alt r6 and r8 to be released

[rose nova]

new funky changes on those rundowns

[sharp owl]

more gameplay n lore stuff

[rose nova]

sometimes new enemies

more new rooms

some funk changes sometimes

[sharp owl]

"new"

[plain pecan]

im mainly just interested in lore now 😅

[rose nova]

i mean well enemies that dont appear in that rundown

also r7 enemies r new until a new one appears

im callin em new

[little ridge]

2 days for beta and like a freeweek for alpha

[rose nova]

damn u got a field to play with so many logs qwq

[sharp owl]

#gtfo-lore you can nerd out here people talk here frequently

[little ridge]

and for 2 days I mean 48h (maybe 72 I cant recall, but very little)

[grizzled bison]

@untold ravine Hey @untold ravine I was wondering if you speak fluent Swedish yet.

[wispy bluff]

Beep being a menace, as always

[grizzled bison]

he's been there a while, I was curious

[unreal crystal]

why big text

[grizzled bison]

I'm stuck in big text mode I don't know how to turn it off

[latent palm]

Beep is the invader of all Elden ring worlds

Comes in

Taunts

Leaves

[surreal plaza]

I love it when bots fire their guns in a room full of giants and hybrids and get the entire team steamrolled

[sharp owl]

bots cant wake up enemies by firing

you either shot or the hybrid screamed

[junior latch]

aka @surreal plaza the actual players woke up the room before the bots shot

[surreal plaza]

Ohh so the hybrid can scream

Can the giants scream too

[coarse grail]

yes

[surreal plaza]

So i steamrolled myself

Man we were one room from finishing

[coarse grail]

what level?

[surreal plaza]

I think it was R5C1

The one with big regenerating rooms

[coarse grail]

ah yeah

unfort if you were actually at the end

thats a tough one

[surreal plaza]

[blazing wedge]

Yow tout le monde je viens d'acheter GTFO j'ai beaucoup trop entendu de bonnes choses sur ce jeu et a quel point il etait dur tout seul, donc me voila a la recherche d'une equipe French qui pourrait m'aider !

[sharp owl]

#hc-europe

[mint light]

Essaye le discord FR

[median rivet]

R7e1 should have a check point after the zone scan, I could just be being a baby though

[rose nova]

bits :3

[rough robin]

Normally I'd disagree but r7e1 has such a slog of an opening segment I honestly wouldnt mind

[mint light]

baby

[robust gull]

only a slog if your team sucks PICK UP THE SPEED LADIES

put your heart into it

[brazen oxide]

GUYS

What's your fav weapons to use

[rose nova]

umm probs the machinegun, the veruta one, i love the feel of both dmr and doubletap rifle, theee revo feels very nice, normal pistol, and maybs heavy assault rifle :]

... of course all below my bat

[mint light]

hel revo, carbine, MG, choke

[true pilot]

all hail the bat!

[rose nova]

hell yeah >:3

[serene berry]

not being a baby, but the point of E's is to be as hard as possible

[brazen oxide]

Nice

Can't wait to try it

[serene berry]

its neat

really good variety for a level of its length

[signal plaza]

it’s so procedural that it starts to get boring

from the stealth zones on the level actually becomes fun

the start was fun to figure out but after that nah

[wet mulch]

hello, im playing with a friend for the first time since before 1.0 and we cant start r1a1

any help

every time we click and hold initiate cage drop it just stops at 99%

[wispy bluff]

That's a new one

[rose nova]

if it just stops dead in its tracks, unready and ready again, maybe pull out the bots and readd em when ur ingame, restart the lobby, or give it a bit of time to make sure it isnt like loadin or somethin

[hasty breach]

played my first game last night, im hooked

[sharp owl]

good now turn around and never come back

[wispy bluff]

People who know:

[lyric ivy]

Anyone for R1 area?

[wispy bluff]

Try #lfg-beginners

[latent spruce]

Can you get banned from discord for shooting your own teammates and and ruining the game at the end of the level?

[thick temple]

i doubt it
if you actually make a game over happen then they would probably be pretty upset with you but i feel like a ban would be a bit overkill unless you're repeatedly causing a game over

[rough robin]

they got you now

[wispy bluff]

If its a repeated offence - probably.
Just remember that being alive during clear is not needed to get it. As long as 1 standing guy is in the extraction scan - its a victory for all 4.
To ruin a game you'd have to kill the whole squad, including yourself. Only possible by placing a mine under the team.

[latent spruce]

no he killed us on the last security door then started the scan after he downed us all....

[wispy bluff]

Hm. Its a dick thing to do, but a clear is a clear. Contact mod contact about it and link his discord profile or something, see if they'll do anything about it.

[median rivet]

Better than a1 have two checkpoints 5min away from each other

[mint light]

I agree remove the checkpoints on A1 as well

[latent spruce]

it wasnt a clear? wtf

[median rivet]

A1 shouldn’t have a check point at all

[wispy bluff]

Did you get "expedition survived" windows with the scorpion helmet?

[mint light]

no level in the game should have them

but that boat has sailed sadly

[median rivet]

I like your thinking

[latent spruce]

no we just lost. We werent to extraction yet

too many trolls. fuck this game

[rough robin]

i think people are confused thinking you got shot in the extract

[thick temple]

^ which is something pals do to each other all the time
your initial statement didn't imply that you didn't get the clear

[latent spruce]

this game is trash. No lobbies and the lobbies you do find are full of trolls lol cool

[rough robin]

if one douche makes you mald this hard, this game aint for you

you will not last

[junior latch]

absolut questionable takes one after another right here lol

[thick temple]

<--- the door is over there

[junior latch]

this game trash, lobbys only have trolls

guess we all trolls

tho grongus sometimes feels like one

[wraith marsh]

I mean, depends on the day

[rough robin]

ELABORATE

[thick temple]

like, hell, you're free to think this game is trash
it kinda is in some aspects
but complaining about it is just wasting time

[junior latch]

NO

[merry sluice]

Only had every question I have had asked answered and only played with very nice people. Definitely full of trolls 🤣

[wispy bluff]

Eh, luck is a thing. I've had the pleasure of finding LFG lurking cheater before.

For what its worth i think he was intending to actually beat the level, but you know... Having mine placed in every square meter of map wasn't quite it.

[merry sluice]

Hahahaha. Playing Mission Impossible on the way out

[wraith marsh]

they just brought trip mine efficiency

trust

[merry sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/run-fire-explosion-gif-12482612

[cobalt plume]

are the servers down?

[wispy bluff]

Uh, could be

Its middle of the week

Valve do server maintance around this time

I just restarted the game because my lobby stopped working properly

[sharp owl]

i got dropped from my game

[covert zephyr]

ya steam servers r doing a thing

[normal lake]

Didnt think peer to peer would drop players because of steam

Kinda fucks people over eh

[amber trellis]

hey does anyone know if there is a discount code for the merch store? Looking at getting some stuff, cheers!

[wispy bluff]

Playing gtfo on 3/7 week day is a bad idea

[mystic moss]

playing gtfo is a bad idea

[rose nova]

playing is a bad idea

[normal lake]

gtfo is bad

[serene berry]

tf i b

[normal lake]

i b?

[serene berry]

[burnt flume]

do not play current version gtfo

it's less exclusive and you don't get to pretend you're important for downloading files off the internet

[rough robin]

it still uses steam's net framework

[normal lake]

yeah i guess thats fair just find it weird

to used to playing yar har games

[dense bay]

is it bad to carry 3 shotguns

[burnt flume]

ye the game uses steam relay servers

which is why stuff can get fucky sometimes and they didn't put the game on epic game store

[burnt flume]

depends what you mean by 3 shotguns, and what situation you're in, but it's probably fine

[wispy bluff]

I think he means:
HEL Shot / Sawed Off
Pump / Choker / Combat
Shotgun sentry

[dense bay]

like a combat shotgun shotgun sentry and sawed off shotgun

[wispy bluff]

Good news: you are a king of CQC

[rough robin]

I mean

anything within like 5 metres is gonna regret it

[wispy bluff]

Bad news: a single shooter can solo you

[burnt flume]

if you're memeing and now what you're doing it'll be fine

[wispy bluff]

Anyway. Both HEL Shotgun and Combat Shotgun are S-tier guns because they (apparently) have insane amounts of potential DPS and ammo they receive from refills.

You can always use Choke Mod Shotgun to compensate the main shotgun. It got insane effective range for something called a shotgun

[sharp owl]

just finished r1a1 and r1b1 with a couple people, am enjoying game. big boys can be annoying though

[analog flicker]

[rose nova]

nice :]

u doin well !

also yeah they tanky but dependin on the weapon they go down so quick too

[lofty grotto]

Finished R3 A3 now

NOW all of R3 is under my Soundless Madness

[unborn quiver]

Nice!

[lofty grotto]

Next... R4 C2, C3, E1

[sharp owl]

R4c3 bleh

[lofty grotto]

I never seen the c levels cept c1

so idk what theyre like

[sharp owl]

R4c3 is a fun lvl when doing pe

[lofty grotto]

noted

[unborn quiver]

R3D1 is done and I never want to see another mother for as long as I live

[jade iron]

I'd pair the main slot shotguns with revolver or har in special. It usually pays to have access to a nimble gun with a fast reload that cleans up isolated smalls neatly, which is usually the job of main, but running a special that pretends to be a main is based, one of the best things about running the main slot shotguns.
Double auto shotgun (hel in main, combat in special) is a bit of a battlecruiser loadout, you have no range and your best reload is on combat shotgun which is still a bit slow, but combat shotgun at least neatly 1taps isolated smalls, and you have all the wave control you could ever imagine. Has merit for surge alarms.
Double shotgun with pump or choke in special is meme territory imo, since neither of your guns gets neat kills on isolated smalls. Pump shotgun and choke shotgun have ammo that's broken up into 30 damage rounds, which overkill smalls, so they usually want a main that gets neat small kills so you can bias your shotgun rounds towards hitting bigs, where they do well on ammo.
Shotgun sentry is an entirely separate consideration to your main/special loadout. I think it's not worth dealing with the inherent jank of shotgun sentry, even though you can probably get good results out of it.

[signal plaza]

double shotgun with pump or choke is only viable on very select levels where you know exactly what you’re going to do and you trust your team to cover for you against isolated smalls

I’d say it’s a valid loadout if you’re solo hunting R4E1 codes or something like that

apart from that though not really

I just can’t see it benefitting over a more balanced loadout unless you have to solo a room of giants

and even then my go to loadout (carbine sniper) is probably better at that

[unborn quiver]

Yeah I feel like I could maybe take double shotgun into something like R3B2 where everything is super close quarters and its good against everything that spawns there

[sharp siren]

saw off choke

one of my favorite loadout

[unborn quiver]

I'm gonna be honest, I don't really see the draw of the choke. I've tried it a few times and I just don't really see why I'd want to take it over a pump

[sharp siren]

range

reliability

[split onyx]

i found a troller

[wispy bluff]

Its pump, but with 4 times the range.
Choker has effective range of 15m (range at which damage fall off kicks in). That's almost twice as much as High Caliber Pistol has.
Combined with the tight spread - you can oneshot enemies at some pretty comfortable distances.
Also it can fire as quick as you can pull the trigger which helps when dealing with giants - you can mag dump them in like 2 seconds and be done with it.
Literally the only downside is that small-ass mag.

[split onyx]

he join mid game and shoot all of us

[wispy bluff]

And i assume he didn't join the VC?

Nothing can be done then. There are some people who just invade lobbies with malicious purpose.
Piece of advice: lock empty player spots once in-game.
Or don't share the lobby code in the chats - only via DMs with those who joined the VC.

[proven steppe]

Shotgun seem good when your team is ok

[signal plaza]

2 seconds? more like 0.20 seconds

you can fire 20 rounds per second with the choke mod

theoretical RPM of 1200

pretty insane

although effectively you’ll do it in 0.5s if you are truly magdumping and 1 second if you care about ammo

burst DPS of 1203.320

imagine that

theoretically

might be more actually lemme recalculate

1604.267

burst DPS

precision*

that’s got to be the highest in the game

wait no

shit

I’m dumb

half of that

802.133

precision DPS

that multiplied by the precision multiplier of the enemy will get your final DPS

[reef siren]

Let me guess, their name was NO_U_CANT

Unless this was the same lobby I was in earlier and I just forgot names already

Otherwise that means they're joining lobbies at random and sniping everyone

Unfortunately steam doesn't even cite trolling as a valid reason to report people

[split onyx]

yeah u right

[unborn quiver]

The fast firerate does seem super advantageous over the pump. I guess I just haven't tried it at range enough

[jade iron]

it gives the gun the ability to quickly delete big problems in the back ranks of hordes

which is also something sniper does, but with choke you can also point it at the hordes and get okay efficiency

with pump you generally need to go to where the threat is

[unborn quiver]

I do really like that, since you won't always have big targets for it

[jade iron]

choke also gets a good fight into tanks, which you might not have seen yet?

can be dicey getting into range with pump, really depends on room layout though

both shotguns have great efficiency into tanks, probably the best rate of tank kills per refill in the game

but if you're solo, you're often going to feel choke's lack of throughput (tiny clip, worse reload provided you're cancelling pump's reload) because it's on you to hold hordes

which usually makes pump the preferred solo tool

take your high uptime and high damage, do what you can to mitigate range issue

[toxic herald]

I am on a forever drop screen please help

[sharp owl]

verify game files, had the same shit happen to me

also

[sharp owl]

does it happen single or multi player?

[toxic herald]

multi

[sharp owl]

somebodys connection probably

[toxic herald]

trying to play with 2 buds

[burnt flume]

It can happen when host crashes iirc, lobby should be dead

[sharp owl]

or someone isnt skipping the intro cutscene

[burnt flume]

Start a new lobby and you should be alright

[sharp owl]

which takes long

[burnt flume]

Or yeah they're taking 9 years to load the level is another option I guess

[junior latch]

this doesnt cost more than 15 seconds ever

[sharp owl]

had people say the load time takes forever cuz i wasn't skipping the intro

[junior latch]

i mean 10-15 seconds is a long time

[toxic herald]

hes thing on a hard drive should that make his load time long?

[true lodge]

brodda

sum1 join or dang lobby frl

[left kelp]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[rose nova]

just some advicewhen usin thse channels
always ask to not be carried and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel
and if you are new be sure to do the tutorial first [Training] and start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one

[true lodge]

didnt want a carry jus needed a 4th player man

dw

[rose nova]

nah its cause some people carry w/o askin so its always better to specify

[serene berry]

its a copypasta, just general advice

[silk copper]

So hi everyone im like completely new to the pc and gtfo i was wondering if anyone could reach out or dm me cuz i really need a team im a good listener and i use a mic if anyone wouldnt mind helping a newbie id greatly appreciate it tho currently i am away and busy at work

[serene berry]

when you are done with work going over to #how-to-matchmake and then posting in in #lfg-beginners is probably a good call!

[silk copper]

@serene berry thank you tons this is just all new to me even using discord to find a team i greatly appreciate it

[serene berry]

fs fs, looking for a team is good, but you probably want to vibe check and play with people first, and build as you go

[silk copper]

Ah yeah thats a smart idea lol i just have been sitting on the home screen of the game the last 3 days not having a team nor being able to find one so hopefully today with reaching out i can play i honestly just dont want to be in the way of others while i am still learning feel me?

[rose nova]

is fine, startin on LFG yeah its a bit funky n scary but theres really nice people and u wont b a burden in any way

[serene berry]

if you are very very worried about it you can start practicing the early levels with bots

but the real problem is playera will want to stop and teach you everything at once, not that you will hold them back lol

[silk copper]

@rose nova well thank you alot i really appreciate the both of you helping out i will definitely be trying to play later today 😊

[rose nova]

yeah, much good luck in ur runs :3

[serene berry]

as long as you don't join D and E level missions before you are ready, people are really chill about it

[rose nova]

just some advice as always
always ask to not be carried and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel
be sure to do the tutorial first [Training] and start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one

[silk copper]

Ahhh ok makes sense

Ok bet i will do that then cuz i haven't even done training lol im a newbie newbie

[rose nova]

yeah but the training will teach u many basics

so no worries

[sharp owl]

as a newbie with 4 games on my belt it might be a lot

[silk copper]

I hear it definitely is a game that takes strategy and team work

[serene berry]

there is a lot to learn

[silk copper]

Shoot you got 4 games sheeshhhh id be lucky to get 1 today

Im readyyyyyy haha i wanna learn it all

[sharp owl]

probably the most difficult thing is being mindful of your topography and how well you're controlling the space containing your escape routes

[serene berry]

let them cook, they will learn in game soon enough

[burnt flume]

The in game matchmaking system isn't really desirable, using the lfg section of the discord (go to Channels & Roles section at the top of the discord if you can't see it) will net better results

[sharp owl]

^

15 minute queue into trolls isnt fun

[burnt flume]

And yeah, pathing and all that is more advanced, you'll figure it out as you go along, don't feel bad about not being an absolute menace right out of the gate

[silk copper]

Ok bet hahah like i said i didnt want to be a burden but still wanna learn and be helpful

[pine root]

ummmmmm mr batman what are you saying

[rose nova]

what are the room

and stuff

[sharp owl]

i could give some more general advice but that's your expectation in a nutshell. the only way i have been a burden is shooting my teammates when they walk up to melee

i get so sad when i do

[silk copper]

Alright guys/girls thanks tons for the advice im sure ill bump into yall again somtime later untill then everyone have a good rest of there day/night i cant wait to play later 👋💪💯

[pine root]

feels like there is a really easy way of saying that. learn the tiles

[hardy folio]

Is the heavy SMG reload animation bugged?

[junior latch]

why?

[hardy folio]

It just looks weird

[serene berry]

its trying its best okay

[pine root]

wait till you see hel rev

or pump shotty

[sharp owl]

wait whats wrong with hel rev reload anim

except the chamber has 6 shots and not 8

[latent palm]

jish

anyhow i can lower you and void's time on R5A2?

door glitch it lowered into 12:54

[analog flicker]

loads 2 shells
Has 8 shots now after reloading from empty

[rose nova]

the reload is weird yeah

doesnt have the hand in the mag

[drowsy osprey]

anybody wanna play with a new player?

[rose nova]

hellooo, u can find n share lobbies in the LFG channels !

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[rose nova]

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel
and be sure to do the tutorial first [Training] and start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one

[old wadi]

Tips for r7c3, after first checkpoint things go crazy. after uplink we have to sneak to turn off emergency lockdown, we cant sneak in and we cant kill all the mobs

[sharp owl]

you can sneak in

its not that bad

[mint light]

you can sneak in AND you can kill all the mobs

[old wadi]

whats easier way in your opinion, sneak in or kill

[serene berry]

so if you have melee'd through up until the uplink, thats your hint that melee-ing through to get to the armory is easier, than hard stealth.

[serene berry]

the caveat being that the players you are with are using hammers and are quite quite comfy with melee-ing giants

i have never hard stealthed through, recently we left 1/4 necessary rooms asleep, and that was a novelty

[old wadi]

is there any way to get checkpoint after uplink without goin there

[mystic moss]

you can just wait out the timer and the checkpoint door will unlock
granted, you're gonna be initially ammo-less for the shooty section and might have to scrounge around for ammo in the next zone

[old wadi]

so the only reason to go there is to get ammo, and it is a must

[mystic moss]

wouldn't say it's a hard must

[mint light]

meaby not a must per se, but you'll be flooded with mobs without having ammo

[old wadi]

if you take checkpoint without going to loot ammo it is harder?

[mint light]

yes

[old wadi]

okay hope we get there tomorrow

only level we need to complete to unlock e1, and this is the hardest one I would say

[mint light]

until E1

[sharp owl]

bruh i still gotta do r1a1

ive tried doin ut wth bots and another person n we havent been able to get it don

[mint light]

lfg channels

[old wadi]

is e1 much harder than c3

[coarse solstice]

i am sad

[mint light]

depends what your strengths are

[old wadi]

c1 and c2 were quite easy. D1 hard, D2 easy

[coarse solstice]

i tried to do my r2c2 lobby and all kinds of stuff was going wrong ppl couldn't hear me properly in this lobby but in all lobbies before ppl heard me properly and my connection to host was atrocious ...i tell ppl i don't see mobs and they're like ye cause you don't scan meanwhile i was perma scanning and i couldn't hit mobs and they were invis for me even though they were marked with dorito

[serene berry]

than R7E1 won't be that hard for you, it has a lot of knowledge checks, but melee isn't important for 95% of the level. but boy that 5% it is do or die.

[serene berry]

thats some serious desync my guy, i am sorry

[junior latch]

heavy desync
host and you just werent meant to be

[junior latch]

PE or main onlys?

[old wadi]

main

[coarse solstice]

ye T_T only had that once before with one of my friends in r1 reactor level i think r1c1

[mint light]

do PE's

main is always easy

[serene berry]

the optionals are a blast! give them a try once you get to the armory at least once

[old wadi]

are they really that interesting. We struggle even with mains so idk is that good idea

[wispy bluff]

Case by case.

I'm bulled by DJ to always go for PEs (plus i'm a completionist), but if it was up to me - i would only to mains and maybe secondaries at most.

Overloads are universally giant bags of cocks and i hate almost all of them with a rare exception.

[old wadi]

we are so new into game that next run maybe try pe. first rundown we r even doing

[wispy bluff]

Oh yeah, if you're doing things in order - optional objectives do not come into play until rundown 4 which is where they were originally introduced.

Difficulty of the game skyrocketed from there

[old wadi]

Okay👍 rundown 7 seems to be hard for new players at least I think so

[wispy bluff]

Eh. It just ramps up quickly.

R7A1 is probably the easiest level in the game, or at least in top 3 for certain. You can solo that thing.

But then it immediately switches to R7B1 which has some quirks of its own and its like a major step up in difficulty.

[old wadi]

Yes I noticed that, but first actually hard level for us was d1. I thought c tiers wont go as hard. But that c3 changed it

[mint light]

its top 3 hardest rundowns

R7 is a terrible place to start

[old wadi]

After d1 I was ready to spend like 2 days to beat d2, because I have heard that is much harder. But it took only 2 hours to complete. That is so different level

[wispy bluff]

Rundown 1, right?

[old wadi]

Im talking about r7

[wispy bluff]

Oh

Then yeah

[old wadi]

Yes, but if you start from harder rundowns you get good and easier rundowns go easily I think

[wispy bluff]

R7D1 is quite infamous

D2 is a rarity in GTFO: lots of hot action put into a tight package

[mint light]

you gonna roll R1`

[wispy bluff]

You just go BANG BANG BANG BANG for 30 minute straight and its over

[rose nova]

startin from the hardest and goin easy is not a... good strat tbh

[wispy bluff]

Eh, it saves them precious time on this earth

[rose nova]

people already complain of r1 levels being nothin, ur just gonna enjoy em less

[wispy bluff]

Also it wont matter anyway once they reach R2E1

Game figured out its' identity pretty quick

[rose nova]

well they reachin r7e1

[old wadi]

I first thought r1 is good rundown to start, but I read online that its so easy. And we are looking for a big challenge

[mint light]

passing R7E1 will be interesting for them

[mint light]

R5 is the hardest

go there

PE runs obviously

[rose nova]

well yeah u wanna

suffer

go to r5 with all sectors

r7 isnt the hardest

[old wadi]

after r7 yes, but idk. It can take quite long, if cant complete then go easier but not too easy

[foggy spade]

anyone want to run some GTFO? I've played a decent bit and have a friend whos new to the game but i am in no way good enough to carry it

[wispy bluff]

Consider #lfg-beginners and #how-to-matchmake

[rose nova]

yeah check the lfg channels

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[rose nova]

just some advice
always ask to not be carried and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel

[old wadi]

how long did it take to complete all rundowns pe?

[rose nova]

... as in a player?

[old wadi]

yes

[rose nova]

theres no way to figure it out, some people learn faster others not

and completin one rundown is already pretty hard

[old wadi]

I think there is not enough variety with levels, to stay interested that long. without not burning out

[maiden hinge]

have a brand new group of 3 playing this game (all 3 of us completed the tutorial so far that is it) anyone have any wish they knew information that might make our lives a little easier getting into the game? 🙂

[coarse grail]

enemies take double damage to the back

[wispy bluff]

I think accounted for random replays and AFK i currently have 200 hours of real gameplay

Average level clear time used to 45 minutes, but i think with existence of R4 and R5 it became a solid hour

[rose nova]

um yeah, try all the guns cause all of em r usable, and some r just kinda like siuational so check em all out
and start on rundown 1 cause is the easiest

[maiden hinge]

yeah we are starting rundown 1, probably going to do them in order?

[wispy bluff]

Yes, do for now.

If you get soft locked by a horribly brutal level - just move on to next rundown and start from A again

[maiden hinge]

this is good to know!

[wispy bluff]

The alphabet resets difficulty

A = Easy
B = Normal
C = Advanced
D = Hard
E = Very Hard

[old wadi]

wtf, hardest levels took about 8 hours for me. the levels had to be learned the hard way

[rose nova]

yeah is back, head, and the weakest is back of the head :]

[wispy bluff]

is that accounting for wipes and replays?

[coarse grail]

I guess Artek means average for all levels becomes an hour. The average for R5 is obviously quite a bit higher

[wispy bluff]

Because yeah, that sounds alright... For C2+ levels

[coarse grail]

but this is also for a somewhat experienced group

[rose nova]

when they say this game is hard, it means every level is hard, u mightve heard r1 is super easy
in this game, it can still take u 40 50 hours to complete its 6 levels, as newies

6 levels that each can take 1 2 hours dependin on the skill

[wispy bluff]

New players tend to wipe on R1A1 at least once. To this day i have no idea how, aside from assuming that they just don't prepare for alarms at all.

And to be fair: the HSU room is a fucking trap

[rose nova]

the class IV is pretty hard cause of positioning and not knowin basics like foam and mines

[wispy bluff]

"Oh i failed stealth a lit bit... Wtf are these 40 enemies with 10 ranged bigs among them?!"

[rose nova]

and as always c1 is just the 'stop and get better' point of the rundown

everyone gets stuck there

[wispy bluff]

Got close to a wipe there a couple times myself

It doesnt help that i literally don't see the fucking stairs upstairs in the darkness until i notice a giant bag of spores shooting projectiles at me

[analog flicker]

"Oh open door."
proceeds to not read [Alarm class II]

Team: All separated and far apart

Team also doesn't realize orange scans are TEAM scans needing everyone

[junior latch]

The only overloads id call bad are R5A3 and R5B2 lol

[serene berry]

once you get comfortable with the fundamental of melee-ing giants then the rest of the game will open up to you and be really smooth to play through. once you do R7C3 main, set a night aside and do all of R1. and practice your walk stealth and become a 4 man bowling ball

[brazen oxide]

Can you melee 1v1 big guys?

Without taking damage ofc

[rose nova]

yeah, tho its a bit hard, specially tryin to do it while not wakin up the room

[serene berry]

without taking damage takes practice but yes!!
its worth learning the animations and then practice when you jump in and try to get the limb break

limb breaks causing full staggers are the key to all of this

[brazen oxide]

Ohhhh right so the idea is to keep breaking limbs and staggering them until they DIE

[serene berry]

exactly!
if it is staggered, it can't deal you damage or do a scream (wake up the rest of the room)

doing it with 2 people is pretty easy! doing it with one person is hard, doing it with 1 person without a scream is Real real tough

[analog flicker]

Me: Stagger? looks at Knife

[maiden hinge]

welp, 4 attempts at r1a1, can conclude we are bad xD

[coarse grail]

not bad, new

[analog flicker]

How far?

[maiden hinge]

1st time, died at first alarm door (my mistake was not paying attention that it was an alarm door)
2nd time time we found a keycard, went back to that door, set off the alarm IV, died
this time we accidentally setoff one of the guys with the tentacles coming out of its head while not positioned well

(third time we definitely died to one of the people on our team memeing, so hard to fully count that one)

[analog flicker]

Sounds about right

Lines up with the usual newcomer without prior knowledge experience

[serene berry]

are you a proper 4-stack? or 3 and a bot?

[maiden hinge]

3 and a bot

[junior latch]

Bot trying his hardest to carry

[maiden hinge]

.> the truth hurts

lol

[last parrot]

bots will go for the revive regardless of enemy count or their distance

[serene berry]

if you want someone to show you the ropes for just a game that can help a ton! but honestly 3 players and a bot works totally fine (as long as you learn to stay out of his way, they don't givva Fuck about ff)

[last parrot]

it almost seems like theyre trying their hardest to die

[maiden hinge]

we did notice that

[serene berry]

they need a lot of baby-ing lol bots are their own skill to learn

[analog flicker]

I'll just say. Usually bots get blamed for things that aren't their fault initially

[last parrot]

probably the worst of it all is that bots can friendly fire other bots

[junior latch]

hardest to keep the team alive*

no self preservation

[last parrot]

and then immediately gun them down

[maiden hinge]

I think we are gonna try a run with just the 3, dropping the bot
just to see if maybe we do worse without it XD

[last parrot]

bots are an asset

just a horrible one

[serene berry]

lol information might be you weakness rn, not the bot, but if you have the morale to keep trying then go for it!

[maiden hinge]

oh information is absolutely our weakness

I am curious how much worse we do without it (see if it is completely carrying us at the first alarm or not lol)

[serene berry]

the one piece of unsolicited advice i want to give is that in this survival horror game of resource management, the only important resources to conserve are morale and patience

[serene berry]

good luck in there! you got this!!

[signal plaza]

true even at high levels of the game

actually being good at the game is about consistency and patience more than it is about raw skill

also knowledge is power

[serene berry]

also, Power currupts

[robust dawn]

power is knowledge

[analog flicker]

Instructions unclear. I downed my team reloads guns

[coarse grail]

Corruption brings money

[analog flicker]

gets downed by the swarm

[serene berry]

money is time

[signal plaza]

money is power

[junior latch]

killing teammates is power

[last parrot]

true power is accidentally killing the entire team with a single mine

[rough robin]

'accidentally'

[analog flicker]

looks at Superman trying to owe batman back
Me: batman probably owns the company you report for Clark.

[junior latch]

Anyhow good luck

Game mechanics are actually quite simple (most of them at least) but they interact well making the game have a high ceiling ontop of its already steep learning curve.

Which is the case because… it doesnt tell you much. It gives ou the options to look and figure out things

[rose nova]

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[junior latch]

Na slendi that just annoys me

the other thing legit makes me tense up

[junior latch]

1 bot is mostly just gonna be a way to stabilize your team and shouldnt hard carry (unless you know how to make them work)

2 bots can carry beginners well enough tho if the beginners let them :>

[rose nova]

do yoga :3 ur muscles wont tense up

[signal plaza]

hehe yes most of them

[junior latch]

what would you classify as not simple?

no hard glitch abuses obviously

reload cancels i can count

They arent extremely complex but also not basic

[signal plaza]

well your first interaction with non-standard mechanics will probably be far wakeups on soft alerted enemies

[wispy bluff]

Terminals

[signal plaza]

after that

wave spawns

[junior latch]

terminals arent actually complex

[signal plaza]

per type of alarm

[wispy bluff]

Everything outside of them is just standard FPS stuff with some basic stealth mechanics

[junior latch]

they are very simple design wise

[signal plaza]

enemy pathing

[junior latch]

you can DO complex stuff with them if you want

[signal plaza]

gunfire sound mechanics

scream cooldown

[merry sluice]

Ya watchin T Nenpi videos and seeing him manipulate the pathing blows my mind

[junior latch]

Soft wake ups

Similar to reload cancel, i can see that

[sharp siren]

enemy pathing its not hard?

legit open a door?

[wispy bluff]

I still have no idea how they choose which door to break, so i just roll the dice on it or cfoam everything to be sure

[last parrot]

it can get kinda complex depending on the layout

[junior latch]

eh spawn cap isnt rly unheard off. In depth stuff basically doesnt matter

[junior latch]

True

[signal plaza]

except it doesn’t purely work like that

[signal plaza]

I’m talking rules like valid spawns for uplinks, diminished alarm mechanics, etc

[junior latch]

I wouldnt say that pathing

But stuff like them prioritizing small/big/cfoamed doors are myths that exists because it should make sense as a basic mechanic in theory. But it doesnt exist

[serene berry]

enemy pathing takes a two minutes of explanation and questions to teach, but executing on the knowledge is tough under pressure

[junior latch]

Also what grogu just said

uplink/1 room spawns true

[wispy bluff]

I swear they prioritised not-cfoamed doors over foamed doors, but might just be my rotten luck

[signal plaza]

I think small/big is a factor but cfoam is not?

[junior latch]

Neither are afaik

[signal plaza]

how do you explain the first surge on R4D2?

[junior latch]

fastest path to door

[serene berry]

you should make a tier list of mechanics and how difficult they are to learn, and another tier list of how difficult they are to use.

[signal plaza]

is it shorter than the path to the middle door?

[junior latch]

dunno

let me think of a counter example

[coarse grail]

and another on how useful they are

[sharp siren]

mostly depends on the position of the enemy, they can actually push into swithing pathing

thats why you can have that small door on r5c2 s1 alarm

[serene berry]

and another one on how controversial/talked-about they are

[signal plaza]

the way I think the mechanics work currently:

[halcyon leaf]

@signal plaza stop watching oppenheimer and join game

[signal plaza]

2 rooms away if the spawn is valid

obviously

[junior latch]

@signal plaza r3c1 tile set

[sharp siren]

game have 2 rooms spawns and 1 rooms spawms

[signal plaza]

then they break the NEAREST door to the adjacent room

[junior latch]

they take big middle door for 2nd alarm over small side

[sharp siren]

1 room spaws are only in garden afaik

[junior latch]

due to shorter path

[sharp siren]

basically on all big rooms that enemies will take forever to reach you

[signal plaza]

hmm fair

[serene berry]

[signal plaza]

1 room spawns are hardcoded for an alarm

either that or there’s no valid 2 room spawns

[junior latch]

R7C2 5-6 cell s scan has 1 room spawns

unless you mean normal alarm

[sharp siren]

terminals are on same zone and two rooms away but if zones its fucked like in that r6 level then they can spawn on top of you

[junior latch]

then, is there even another apart from r7b1?

[signal plaza]

terminals should be 2 rooms away in same zone, then 1 room, then 0 if all of THOSE are invalid

[sharp owl]

how even big is the spawn cap?

[junior latch]

depends

[signal plaza]

there’s a score for the amount of active enemies

[sharp siren]

i know

[serene berry]

big nuff

[sharp siren]

im just stating some of the facts i know

[maiden hinge]

welp we are down again XD

[junior latch]

F. What happened :p

[sharp owl]

and normals take one i think, giants three, smthn smthn

[signal plaza]

for an alarm you can define which enemies take up how much space toward that score

[maiden hinge]

made it passed the first alarm, then someone triggered one of those special guys again and we all just got swarmed lol

[signal plaza]

the values are 0.75, 1, 1, 2, 2

so an enemy can take 2 at most as far as I’m aware

[junior latch]

you gonna be so happy (hopefully) while learning gl

[signal plaza]

soft cap is on 25 points

btw

[merry sluice]

Ya killing scouts when we first start I was scared shitless. Now they dont even intimidate me.

[junior latch]

imagine not having a magnetic pull towards scouts

that forces you to ki… hug them

[signal plaza]

my hammer gets pulled to the scout

I can’t help it

[merry sluice]

^ lol

[dense bay]

Oof

[junior latch]

it leads to funny and cool kills on my side sometimes

[sharp owl]

when i see a scout i go neuron activation and hammer / spear them to death

[junior latch]

crazy when you hit the kill by jumping over the bending over scout who looked away from you and kill him with the downwards end of the swing

[signal plaza]

I am that one teammate who steals your scout kill by being petty enough to shoot it even if the room is full of bbcs just to deny you the satisfaction

[junior latch]

its a 100% chance this leads to me shooting that person when they least expect it

[merry sluice]

Yes Good old BBC's love to give you their BBC

[signal plaza]

that’s why I am an average 20% hp enjoyer

what are they gonna do?

kill you?

[signal plaza]

they do be running

you guys know how ladders and giants are buggy af?

like damn

[sharp owl]

i know how giant's hitboxes are buggy af

[signal plaza]

if you have two giants on a ladder, the first will reach the top of the ladder and start a lick, then the second one will just leapfrog the first by tping in front of you

or in front of the other giant rather

[signal plaza]

I guess giant hitboxes are not allowed to collide and they are immovable while charging a lick

so that leads to that

[junior latch]

iirc
Enemy hitboxes dont overlap anyhow. Ladders can only be used by a certain amount of enemies (this can bug out resulting in a few more taking it at once rarely)

[sharp siren]

hitboxes are mostly accurate

enemy collision on the other hand

charger pushing a pablo into tongue range while im low on health be like

[junior latch]

Striker pushing staggered giants into melee range

[signal plaza]

babies can overlap

i think they are unique in that though

[rough robin]

Giant melee hitboxes 😎

[sharp siren]

I mean they are

[signal plaza]

I just love to get smacked for 2x40

[rough robin]

heavy disagree

[sharp siren]

theyre spehere a little large but overall they pretty much accurate

[rough robin]

those mfs and their first-frame damage when they haven't even lifted their arms

[serene berry]

when a scout goes off, you have couple seconds before the rest of the room wakes up, and a few more seconds than that before the wave it spawns gets to you.

as beginners, when you hear a scout start its scream, plant down and start shooting.
pick a spot, any spot, put down sentries, and start unloading on whatevers comes your way.

a bad plan is better than no plan.

you guys got this!

[merry sluice]

^ correct. A1 should be short enough with enough resources that you can pewpew the fuck outta that if it goes wrong. I believe!

[burnt flume]

just wait until they find out about the solo speedrun record for it

[serene berry]

in time, in time

[burnt flume]

hehe

[robust gull]

wholesome shadow giant gaming??

or charger giant

disappears into wall and fists you for 80

[sharp siren]

client side moment

their melee its accurate for what they do

[robust gull]

ughnnnf no charger-kun-giant-san not there i am a damage virgin!!!

[robust gull]

you bouta catch these melee hands irl if you keep it up

[sharp siren]

im not wrong

so i don tcare

[robust gull]

didn't say you were

[sharp siren]

i dont care wachu say

stop saying im german

[robust gull]

but sometimes when people try to shatter my delusions they have to stop existing

bro i havent said you're german in forever

[rough robin]

giants after you rip both their arms off with gunfire and they hit you for 40dmg with their mind

[sharp owl]

it would be rather funny if giant strikers instead of damaging you, would rather knock you out for 10 to 15 seconds

30 even

[sharp siren]

Pre alpha had giant tongues lowers your weapon and melee for a couple of seconds

I wanna have back enemy slow down and that mechanic back

[thorny obsidian]

I hate how you can get stuck on that fog bridge in r5d2

[sharp owl]

softlocked a run?

[mystic moss]

they're talking about being lost in the fog in the bridge tile

[robust gull]

i think he might be talking about actually being stuck. i've heard people say they could not move twiceish now

[sharp owl]

yeah it happened to me in one of my bot runs, you're dead and dead

[robust gull]

sad

[normal lake]

softlocking in all games is a pretty shitty way to lose

something completely beyond your control and just bad luck forcing you to lose

[serene berry]

(a glitch from) the game itself slapping the controller out of your hand

[robust gull]

wholesome funny terminal bug on reactor wave 8/10

[thorny obsidian]

Yeah softlocked cant move

[cyan hemlock]

does match making even work

[thick temple]

yesn't

it works but hardly anyone uses it cause it's vastly inferior to lfgs here

[normal lake]

and lfgs are vastly inferior to having friends

[rough robin]

having friends is vastly inferior to taking 17 benadryls and playing with the hat man

[sharp owl]

The hat man

[unreal mantle]

what main weapon has the most ammo anyone know ?

[wraith marsh]

best or just most

[sharp owl]

Carbine or smg

[unreal mantle]

most

[wraith marsh]

hel autopistol

[rough robin]

hel autopistol W

[wraith marsh]

by a lot

[unreal mantle]

and whats best ?

[normal lake]

ayy i love hatty

[rough robin]

definitely not the hel autopistol

[normal lake]

ol hatty hattington from bbt

[wraith marsh]

sawed off gets the most damage per refill, followed by hel shotty

for autos its technically machine pistol but it sucks so pdw

hel revo doesnt have the most or the most damage per refill but it has pierce so its cracked

[wraith marsh]

carbine is also about the same but more dps

[rose nova]

if ur tryin to search for like the weapon to use in ur runs, id say dont bother and just kinda use whatevs u enjoy usin, u will notice eventually if its the gun for the mission ur in or not

[normal lake]

nah use the same gun you used the first time every time and never try anything

variety is the spice of life and you dont deserve spice

[rose nova]

use the smg since its given to u in training and never change or else

[sharp owl]

Smg sucks

Dispose of yourself at once

[rose nova]

never

ill be here to haunt ur dreams about smg

and spear

[sharp owl]

I'll bend you

[rose nova]

owo

[unreal mantle]

hopw do i ping med kits and stuff

[fair loom]

LIST MEDIPACK ZONE[your zone] (or it might be called something else, just list your zone to check), then PING MEDIPACK_###

[sharp owl]

List res e_xxx
Ping medipack_xxx

[rose nova]

theres many ways to list the resources in the zone you are in

[sharp owl]

Just list

[unreal mantle]

so like List toolkit zone 65 ?

also whats the worst main weapon to use

and special weapon

and melee

[rose nova]

same as before, well worst i guess its easier to say
spear for melee, nice for learnin but bad in general
precision rifle, great for scouts n like range shots but doesnt do much dmg and has lil ammo for what it is
and worst main... idk, autopistol cause its a stagger weapon not a dmg weapon

but all of this are still usable

ive seen people do runs with em of hard levels with bots, and still complete it

[true pilot]

smg