gtfo-chat

[fleet abyss]

my friend has crashed but the game do not disconect him

i saw him in the same loby

you have to save us pls lmao

[junior latch]

Host migration is incredibly prone to crashing

[fleet abyss]

twice we lost 2h of time doing the same mission

[junior latch]

which one o.O

[fading vault]

r5a2

[junior latch]

but ye host crashing is pretty unfortunate. If it keeps happening you might wanna swap to someone else hosting

[junior latch]

2 hours o.O

woh

[fading vault]

a3 mb

[fleet abyss]

it s r5a3

[junior latch]

ok A3 is at least somewhat long
A2 wouldve been insane

[fleet abyss]

yes we have to but my friend love his woods character

[fading vault]

and he loves his british accent

[fleet abyss]

yessir

the game kick my friend but the game does not put me as leader

i can't invite someone

[charred ember]

u are here too?

[pine root]

4 hour r 1a1

[fleet abyss]

sheesh

[knotty bobcat]

:o
Yeah

[charred ember]

sup Deenex

[knotty bobcat]

Sup

[charred ember]

cant wait to get back to the gtfo with the boys

i been behind like a whole rundown now dont i?

[knotty bobcat]

Maybe?
me and wolf have been going through R3
we're at R3D1 now

[charred ember]

woaah

and im here dying at r3a2

[junior latch]

10 hour r6c1

[pine root]

26 hour r7b3

[fading vault]

so does anyone have a fix for me and my friend ?

[junior latch]

the 10 hour is an actual run though, no afking

[junior latch]

not rly :|

[pine root]

What?

Dude think your lobby crashed

[fading vault]

yeah but is there a way to rejoin the level ?

My friend (not the host) is still down there

[pine root]

Yes just go to settings

And give him the Libby id

or just join through steam

[fading vault]

the thing is i was the host and i crashed

if i try to join the game it ells me that i have to join myself

[pine root]

That is fine

It does that

[fading vault]

it's not doing it

[pine root]

Then your lobby be bugged

[fading vault]

i try to reconnect and i get sent back to the homescreen

[pine root]

Does he have the spots locked or not only?

[fleet abyss]

the game does not give me the host

i give him the lobby id but the game still saying he can join himself

[fading vault]

bots are frozen and he can't interact with anything

[pine root]

Lobby is hella bugged

You can’t come back from that

[fleet abyss]

twice ?

the game is pooping on us ;-;

[pine root]

You guys just need to restart tbh

[fleet abyss]

i hate life

[fading vault]

we already done that

for the same reason

[fleet abyss]

i will kill my self i'll be back

[pine root]

You might need to finish the level faster if you guys are going to crash

[fleet abyss]

lmao

you're kind

🙂

[pine root]

There ain’t anything we can do for you guys

Come on either find a different host

[fleet abyss]

i will take the host

[pine root]

Or you just need to go faster

[fleet abyss]

my friend has poppy conection on summer

[pine root]

Unfortunate but yeah then just take host

[knotty bobcat]

I love the mine deployer, it's my favorite to use. But man the skill floor and ceiling is so low

[rose nova]

but they cool to see

[analog flicker]

You haven't reached the skill ceiling until you just place a mine under the scout and survive

[pine root]

There is mine spots that are pretty cool.

[knotty bobcat]

Ill do that right now

[pine root]

Can you run off after you place mines yet

[knotty bobcat]

I've managed to do it a few times

[serene berry]

[knotty bobcat]

dunno if it's some weird animation cancel

[serene berry]

if there is a cancel for the slow down animation after placing mines, that would be huge

[analog flicker]

You get stuck in a down time window of pulling the mine deployed back up before you can do anything

Besides wasd movement

[knotty bobcat]

So its just buggy?
Cuz sometimes I've been allowed to sprint after putting down a mine

[pine root]

You have to do it before the mine is down but when it will complete because of sticky interactions

[knotty bobcat]

oh so it's before
I've been trying after or right when I place it, so i've just sometimes pulled it off

[junior latch]

as jish just explained, you can counteract that

the slowdown is still technically in effect tho, so avoid jumping or falling down as that would update it

[knotty bobcat]

Interesting

So skill ceiling for mine deployer:

1. Kill scout at point blank
2. Sprint after deploying the mine

Im gonna conquer these two.

[pine root]

You can also place mines in places where sleepers won’t ever go there and use them as manual activated devices

[knotty bobcat]

Whats that mean?

[pine root]

You can hind mines in places sleepers won’t go or that are to high for them

Then shoot the mine to blow them up and kill more of the wave yourself

Hopefully killing things

[knotty bobcat]

Ah
Suppose that could be useful in hallways and such when there's no door

[pine root]

Yeah you wanted skill expression

[burnt flume]

my favourite with mine deployer is standing at the correct distance to stack mines

instead of whirling your mouse around like a helicopter rotor waiting for it to let you place another mine

[modern coral]

The hardest mine tech is not burning your tool on placing extra mines for no reason.

[pine root]

Fuck tou I am gonna spam mines

[burnt flume]

nobody will tell you this, but there's enough tool in the mission to mine every room

[modern coral]

The harder hardest mine tech is knowing exactly how much extra tool you have to 0 out on it as precisely as possible.

[mystic moss]

you'll get your chance to flex your mine skill in r6c3 pe 😉

[pine root]

Okay something I have been adding into my mine tech is sometimes behind doors there is only one sleeper and I don’t want the door and mine to get wasted. So I shoot through the door to save the mine

[modern coral]

Big?

[pine root]

Tiny tbh

Just don’t close doors early

[junior latch]

smth we would definetly overlook as its quite obvious

Opening doors with a mine when enemies are stacked on it

[pine root]

You have to do it pretty early for small doors

[fading vault]

if im correct there is no more woods dauda, etc characters for player but it seems that it affects the voice ? for exemple the fourth player to join has bishop's voice. Am i right ?

[left kelp]

Yes

[fading vault]

is there a way to change those ? i hate having bishops voice i prefer wood's

[left kelp]

Host

[serene berry]

uh, so,

1. you host then
2. 1 person who you want to host joins
3. you leave and immediately rejoin

cause i know you can't host anymore

[left kelp]

Or just be either 2nd or 3rd in the lobby

[fading vault]

ye lmao

thing is we have a thing between me and my friend being that we prefer playing with dauda or hacket than with bishop

he curses us

[knotty bobcat]

Ofc.
Wanna get to the best of my abilities on everything

[serene berry]

there is still a host migration in there, but if its before and level actually starts you should be fine

[fading vault]

so if i join sec ill have daudas voice but no dauda

ok

[fading vault]

thank you man really

[knotty bobcat]

So
Hel Rifle vs Hel Gun
?

[serene berry]

No worries! I'm happy to help (:

[fading vault]

hel rifle for more penetration and range hel gun for more ammo

i think

[sharp owl]

rifle more range more penetration more damage but less ammo and more delay

[knotty bobcat]

I've leaning towards the Hel Rifle
being able to 1 shot all smalls + chargers, with high enough pen to clear out 1-4 enemies per shot, while being able to chunk Giants is nice.

Hel Rifle has less delay than the Hel gun

Rifle is 0.12
Gun is 0.2

[sharp owl]

yes and hel gun is more small oriented

u could kill a giant with it

several of em lined up maybe sure but hel rifle would be better in that position

[knotty bobcat]

30 dmg is very nice.

Sadly hitting a headshot on a giant (1.5x) doesn't hit any breakpoints. So you gotta hit the head twice to lower the shots to kill by 1
But I tend to just shoot em twice, or 3 times, and let other damage kill em.

[sour lagoon]

is burst rifle still op or what

[sharp owl]

yeah it feels bad vs 1 giant

try to penetrate as much as u can

[knotty bobcat]

I am

[sharp owl]

no?

[knotty bobcat]

6 pen is just
Chefs kiss

[sharp owl]

i remember seeing somewhere it only penetrates 5

could be wrong

[knotty bobcat]

Wiki says 6-

So you should be able to hit 7 enemies with 1 shots

[rose nova]

i could swear it said 5 befores

[tender oxide]

Hello

[sharp owl]

think it was black dragon's vid im not sure

[serene berry]

it also is not working properly, so does not pen as much as the data says it should

[rose nova]

hiiii

[serene berry]

suh

[rose nova]

scribe :3

[pine root]

Pen maxes out at 5

[knotty bobcat]

Really?

[pine root]

Bug in the game

Yup

[knotty bobcat]

...

Okay

[sharp owl]

thanks for confirmation

[pine root]

And sometimes pen gets eaten by the same sleeper twice

[knotty bobcat]

Does the engine just. Forget there's a bullet.

[rose nova]

the bullets hits two times the same enemy

hold on

[pine root]

So you have a line of 5 sleepers and it only pens through two

[rose nova]

there was a cool image about this

[sharp owl]

dead bodies

[pine root]

Na body parts

[sharp owl]

dead body parts

[pine root]

Can count as extra pen things

That as well

[pine root]

I think the loop maxes out at 5

It remembers the bullet but I think it is a safety measure so the game doesn’t crash

[knotty bobcat]

''doesn't crash''
xd
Love unity

[fading vault]

Last question, will i have to repeat the process each time that we finish an expedition ?

[serene berry]

nope!
just when you restart a lobby. assuming you can clear more than a couple expeditions before the game starts imploding

[fading vault]

Ok nice !

[knotty bobcat]

Surge alarms
what the fuck

[mint light]

don worry bout them yet

[knotty bobcat]

I am worrying about them

3 Surge alarm exists in R2E1

There's so many strikers

[mint light]

5 actually

dunno where your 3 comes from

[knotty bobcat]

The 1st one

[mint light]

oh you mean a class III surge

well now you know there will be 4 more surge alarms

[knotty bobcat]

🙃

[mint light]

in R2E1 alone

[serene berry]

R2E1 is a diverse, concise, and interesting level

[mint light]

its pretty fun yes, ran it yesterday again after a long time. the last part stays really a cool stresstest for the team

[serene berry]

the last 20% of the level is the good part

[mint light]

yes

and it has one of the unique rooms, I like the unique rooms in GTFO

[serene berry]

i can agree with that, that alarm is pretty good

[torn flicker]

is there some really good strat for R1C1? we're running 2 man with bots haha

[rose nova]

hello! well there is a lot of factors that can make or break a run in c1, from were u defend to how u do it
in general, one person should have the two bots followin em, be sure to command em to do it before startin the reactor
then when u start it, u wanna defend in the bridge, and put down 2 sentries lookin at the hole in the wall, thats the best way to defend

then when the reactor asks for the code, the person w/o the bots runs back to input it, and u in the meantime grab resources

[serene berry]

inhale

[mint light]

2 burst, one sniper sentry, 1 bio. give bio to bot. put down bot burst at start. put down sniper and 2nd burst at wave 3 or 4.

[torn flicker]

haha holy shit, that's actually what we did on instinct the first t ime

[pine root]

Unfo skill issues hurt

[rose nova]

damn

[serene berry]

then do you want the long write up?

[pine root]

Yeah

Post it pls

[serene berry]

yus

[torn flicker]

haha

[serene berry]

Captain America: puts foot on chair "So you are having trouble with R1C1"

a reactor is ultimately 3 parts,
1 Wave Defense
2 gathering resources in between
3 getting the code into the terminal in time
If you already know how R1C1's reactor works, then its just the first two things you need, and they can go hand in hand

the most popular place to defend for many reasons is the bridge tile. the hole in the wall at the south end is a great choke point where you can get angles and focus your sentries, the bridge itself is a perfect funnel if/as you fall back, and its only about a 30 second run to the reactor terminal.

when you start looting after the shooting, you have quite a lot of resources around you to spend as the code person runs out and runs back. and on longer warm up times for the later codes, you have enough time to run forward and loot in previous areas.

when giants spawn having someone with a good weapon for bigs like sniper rifle is useful (especially for hybrids that will launch a 40 dmg barrage from across the map). as well as saving tool by only having 2 sentries down for most waves, saving it for later waves or the waves with Hybrids (4, 6, 8).

this is definitely a 3 sentry + 1 bio tracker level, and when you learn all sentries are not created equal.
Burst is the best all-arounder.
Sniper sentry thrives with bio tracking and the long sight lines on this level.
shot gun sentry is good for tight corners, but goes through tool a bit quickly so it is not well suited for reactors.
Autosentry is in the game.

if you have a bot, they are a boss with the biotracker so give them that, and if you have three bots god go with you.

[torn flicker]

we ran out of turret ammo and couldn't refill in time and got overrunned that's basicly what happend

[mint light]

thats why 2nd and 3rd go down on 3rd or 4th wave and you should have uses left

[rose nova]

yeah, usually for the first few rouns u dont need 3 sentries, with 2 u can survive fine, so i usually have 2 bursts for the beginnin and a sniper one for the later waves

usually by 4th wave is when i put it down

[torn flicker]

yeah, we had a bad tool comp too we had 1 burst 1 normal sentury and a mine deployer xD

[serene berry]

also, there is a forward hold spot not in the copypasta that makes the shooter player a lot more free to loot forward and run back

[pine root]

1 normal sentry?

Oh no

[serene berry]

mine and c-foam are both viable if you know how to get goody with it-

oh, normal

uh please

[torn flicker]

oh yeah im not using it again haha

[analog flicker]

normal sentry

[rose nova]

the normal gtfo players
pistol, smg and normal sentry

[pine root]

Is it the auto

?

[analog flicker]

[torn flicker]

the one that isnt sniper and isnt burst

[rose nova]

shotgun or auto?

[analog flicker]

Auto or shotgun.

[torn flicker]

wasnt that the only one back in 2019 or am i forgetting?

not shotgun*

[rose nova]

shotgun

oh

auto

[serene berry]

[rose nova]

but it wasnt in 2019

was it?

[analog flicker]

Auto sentry. Didn't exist in 2019

[serene berry]

uh, auto is uhhh

[pine root]

Calling auto normal sentry is probs

A mistake

[rose nova]

this is very

funky

[pine root]

Call burst normal sentry

[serene berry]

burst is default jsyk

only bring sniper if you are feeling spicy

[torn flicker]

was burst the default one?

[serene berry]

it should be at least

think of it like that

[analog flicker]

Burst has been in every single rundown

[rose nova]

the game started with burst n shottie sentries

[torn flicker]

Yeah then it's the burst im used to have. I did have the Auto one this round. big misstake

[rose nova]

yeah qwq

auto sentry is not really made for killin, but for staggerin enemies
but in a level like this

it spills ammo everywhere

[serene berry]

all sentries are not created equal.
Burst is the best all-arounder.
Sniper sentry thrives with bio tracking and the long sight lines on this level.
shot gun sentry is good for tight corners, but goes through tool a bit quickly so it is not well suited for reactors.
Autosentry is in the game.

[rose nova]

is funny

:3

[torn flicker]

so in short

Bridge

2 burst 1 sniper turret 1 bio (on bot)

only use 3 turrets on 4,6,8

Yeah? no?

[rose nova]

u can probs use the snippy for the 4 5 6 7 8 waves, just after the 4th one
also one of u can also have a big gun for the big ones, like a snippy, a hel rifle a burst cannon maybs

to take em down more fast

[serene berry]

shoot team loots forward, code bu-person loots bridge tile

[torn flicker]

oh yeah makes sense

[serene berry]

and for for future reference, it is my opinion that sniper sentry is only playable with a bot on bio

[torn flicker]

ok ok thankyou! ill try it

[analog flicker]

stacks tracker CPU speed and Actively gets ping timings right away

Tbh most bio users for R1C1 that I've come across don't ping enough and on time.

Iirc it's like 7-8 seconds cool down

[serene berry]

its not even ||just|| a skill issue thing, it just won't shoot without pings, and it needs to be placed far away so it doesn't fight for kills, and the range on the biotracker isn't enough to make it work consistently with those constraints, you need to the person on bio to be cracked to get sniper sentry to shoot at all

and if a player is that good at managing their timings, you want them shooting not biotracking lol

[analog flicker]

[serene berry]

why add another player to carry when you don't have to

[analog flicker]

Bio tracker time isn't that slow / long.

Track then get back to shooting.

Having to constantly swap between gear isn't easy for newcomers on r1c1 anyhow

Bio on bot though is easier/more efficient

[serene berry]

its not a difficulty thing, its a how fast sleepers run through the sniper's LoS thing, per ping, it might shoot twice instead of once?

eh

just

no thanks

[prisma marsh]

have you guys heard of the game gtfo? its name is an abbreviation for get the fuck out
pretty fun game

[rose nova]

.t gtfo

[foggy plank]

The game is called GTFO and it doesn't stand for "Get The Fuck Out" but rather the feeling you have that you want to complete The Warden's objective and GTFO.

[rose nova]

:3

[robust gull]

we shitpost for we are the last bastions of the community

we are a dying race lads

[serene berry]

tHe GaMe Is CaLlEd GtFo AnD iT dOeSn'T sTaNd FoR "gEt ThE fUcK oUt" BuT rAtHeR tHe FeElInG yOu HaVe ThAt YoU WaNt To CoMpLeTe ThE wArDeN's ObJeCtIvE aNd GtFo.

[rose nova]

i wanted to dot t gtfo em so bad

[prisma marsh]

[rose nova]

:]

[robust gull]

don't go quietly into the night

[serene berry]

its tired, but its all we know

we will keep watch

[robust gull]

rereleased content is keeping our flame alight for now. r8 will reinvigorate. rejuvinate. we will come back strong

...for like two weeks until we solve it

then we big sad once more

[serene berry]

big sad, but free

some of us are not ready to be released from captivity, but it won't wait until we are ready to leave the nest

[wraith marsh]

itll still take 2 days

trust

[pine root]

R8 will be sloved

Day one

Hate to say it

[wraith marsh]

im excited for that 1 day 👍

[knotty bobcat]

Fuck R2E1
Those surge alarms suck

4 attempts now and not gotten past the 3rd alarm

[subtle bloom]

you're just a baby, you'll grow

[pine root]

You playing with bots?

[knotty bobcat]

2 bots and my duo

Hackett with the bio scanner really enjoys standing still for 5 seconds, surrounded by strikers, so he can ping, instead of getting to the zone

[torn flicker]

Just completed R1C1 thanks alot @pine root @serene berry @rose nova

[rose nova]

niceeee >:D

good job !

[pine root]

Gl for r2c2

[serene berry]

bot on bio giveth and bot on bio taketh away

[torn flicker]

i don't like the sound of all this haha

[knotty bobcat]

I tried doing the bio myself to stop it but that just made pings inconsistent and too hectic to ping every 8 seconds

[serene berry]

lol don't sweat it, you got quite a few levels before that level, just keep chugging along lol

[knotty bobcat]

I'm still under 100 hours, still learning

[robust gull]

Do not do r2e1 with bots. Some levels are more doable than others. It's possible but just too miserable to be fun

[knotty bobcat]

First encounter with surge alarms too. not alot of doors to stall on so we might just completely disregard trying to foam or mine and use the burst sentries.

[pine root]

I do like that play

[knotty bobcat]

Idk if sniper sentry is all that good against a horde of strikers?

[pine root]

Ehh

If it shoots

[robust gull]

No. Burst or auto

[pine root]

It doesn’t often tho

[pine root]

You can also just start on r3

[knotty bobcat]

We have completed R3 :d

[serene berry]

noice

[pine root]

R4 and r5

[knotty bobcat]

''Expedition R2E1
No. of prisoners dispatched: 60,198
No. of prisoners successful: 589
Prisoner survival rate: 0.99%''

I feel a bit better after reading this tho on the Warden twitter
Suppose it is quite a hard level
🙃

[rose nova]

i mean those r from 2 3 years ago tho

[wraith marsh]

E levels are the hardest shit in vanilla

so yea

(arguably ofc)

[rose nova]

it is probs like... idk lower?

maybe?

[mint light]

its the easiest E

but yeah

still an E

[knotty bobcat]

''Easiest E''

Well shit

[rose nova]

:3

[pine root]

Tbh those are the old numbers

[wraith marsh]

youll be better prepared before you get to the next one tbh

[pine root]

It is a tad higher

[knotty bobcat]

Can't imagine it's all too much different now unless they've made the game drastically easier

[pine root]

They have*

[knotty bobcat]

Well alright

So the survival rate is closer to 3-5%

[pine root]

2-4

I would guess but yeah

[knotty bobcat]

4 attempts doesn't put me behind
Realistically I'd need 20 attempts to hit that survival rate

[pine root]

How long do your attempts take tho

[knotty bobcat]

Like, 30 minutes?

[pine root]

You are on pace for not taking forever

[knotty bobcat]

Think we spent a bit over 2 hours total before another friend of us jumped on and we went back to complete previous R2C that he was missing

[wispy bluff]

2e1 sucks big A

[knotty bobcat]

Im just not prepared to deal with that many strikers all at once, in a never ending flood

Been using the Hel revolver and Combat Shotgun.

[wispy bluff]

Welcome to Surge alarms

The goal is to stall, not kill

[serene berry]

nope, R4E1 main is easier, by a margin

[knotty bobcat]

We got madly fucked over when Hybrids decided to show up too. Dunno if they came with the alarm of if we missed a room.

[serene berry]

yaaa, they are part of the surge

knock em down, and they spawn 2 rooms away

[knotty bobcat]

Hol-y

[little ridge]

Choke mod or sniper to the head work fine for hybrids

[knotty bobcat]

Yeah but if I kill 1 then 2 pop up after

its like fighting a hydra

[wraith marsh]

scan should be done by then

[little ridge]

Well... some scans in R2E1's second surge are harder than others

[serene berry]

nah, just 1

[pine root]

Double population surge wave only hybrids?

It will be fun trust

[serene berry]

[wraith marsh]

awful

[pine root]

Werid way of saying fun

[wraith marsh]

I got my share of meleeing 4 hybrids for an hour last night

[knotty bobcat]

Tbf I never noticed how many hybrids there were. it felt like a new one popped up each time i turned a corner

[pine root]

There will be more on your first attempt

Compared to like 4 hours in

[knotty bobcat]

I miiiiight just see if I can farm a supply efficiency booster so I can get some overkill on ammo
👴

[limber rapids]

@compact sedge how's cross server play, I saw that there's a R1A1 run but it's EU. I'm US (NYC)

[wispy bluff]

Ammo never seemed a concern to me... Tool though

[little ridge]

Depends. If you're client try to take your time with shit since what you're seeing is delayed. Open a door or write something in the ingame chat to gauge at the latency

[knotty bobcat]

I mean
I'm spamming that fucking combat shotgun into the mass horde of flesh.
so maybe I'm overshooting a bit

[little ridge]

Missing packets are going to fuck you over if you start having those

[mint light]

I ONLY count complete levels, main only does not exist

[limber rapids]

okay ty!

[knotty bobcat]

Main only is the only thing that exists for me as of yet

[robust gull]

r4e1 main also induces suicidal thoughts

[knotty bobcat]

We tried an Overload- and got wiped in 10 minutes

[robust gull]

shadow giants are not wholesome content

kinda cringe

[wispy bluff]

Agreed

[little ridge]

Dont restart my PTSD

[wispy bluff]

And the sniper kept missing...

[knotty bobcat]

Sleeping shadows fucking suck

[little ridge]

I'm glad I'm done with that shit

[serene berry]

thats, what...

[little ridge]

But I feared Extreme more than Main tbh

[knotty bobcat]

Can't see em
Can't shine my light on em
Just play it by ear

[serene berry]

then your perspective of the game is incomplete ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wraith marsh]

did you end up getting the clear last night wheat

[dire glacier]

Hey does anything change in terms of enemies whenever you're redoing rundown levels?

[serene berry]

ohh ya! second try!

[dire glacier]

Like I've been running R1A1 to catch some buddies up and we'll sometimes get giants?

[wraith marsh]

niceeeeeee

[little ridge]

Happens

[rose nova]

their position and sometimes rng, but for the mosr part it remains the same amount n the same types

[little ridge]

within a certain degree

[rose nova]

like theres always two scouts after alarm

[serene berry]

three people who didn't onow the level, and second try we only had 5 tanks lol

[dire glacier]

Gotcha, I didn't know if it was a placebo thing or not.

[mint light]

I would argue complete

[knotty bobcat]

Dont remember where it was.
Opened up a new zone, and there was like. 15 smalls all clustered together into a small room.
And by clustered i mean like, no 2 enemies were further than 2 meters from one another
Somehow managed to stealth the entire thing without waking the room.
Felt proud of that.

[serene berry]

hell ya! thats huge, then it sounds like you have a really strong handle on Hard Stealth, pure stealth? hmm

[knotty bobcat]

Got a pretty good grasp of stealth.
Just need to practice doing it faster and faster + with scouts in the mix.

If me and my duo take our time, we can do the entire mission without alerting anything, but that takes too long.
So we're practising trying to go faster. See if we can sync eachother up without countdowns. Just know when or what to hit by heart, and more easily move through rooms without having to stop.

[serene berry]

yuuuus

[knotty bobcat]

We've also shaken off the habit of killing the scout first, then the room

[serene berry]

fast stealth conserves the most valuable resource in this game:
patience lol

[knotty bobcat]

We also just fucking shoot the scout more often now
Kill half the room, fuck it we ball, blast the scout and just deal with the 3-5 that were left

One big skill issue remaining is dodging. Especially melee/tongue attacks on my part

[knotty bobcat]

On god.
Can't even count how many times I've fucked up a melee kill on a scout because I got tired of waiting and just went for it

[serene berry]

shooting scouts saves so much time

save the Hard Stealth for the rooms that demand it, not as a default

[knotty bobcat]

I figured out the choke mod can 1 tap the scout 👴

[serene berry]

noice, i bring it when i want to shoot scouts too lol

or i bring Precision Rifle when i want to have training wheels for shooting acouts

[knotty bobcat]

Think my default special will be Hel rifle
Changing up on occasion to Choke mod or Combat shotgun when needed

The revolver is also alot of fun, and I really like it. but I feel a bit lost on what Main weapon to bring then, since the revolver kinda covers all need for swarm clear. My main just doesnt hold up against big boys.

[sharp owl]

double down on revolvers

[serene berry]

Main slot is your back up weapon lol

truuue hel revo is a golden child of all arounder weapons

[knotty bobcat]

Is the hel revo that good against giants?
Feel like it hits too softly to do anything meaningful

[sharp owl]

no its for smalls

[robust gull]

everything but the shotguns tickle giants on the main slot

[wraith marsh]

its fine if you mag dump

go for pierce

[robust gull]

i mean everything is fine if you mag dump

[knotty bobcat]

That's kinda what I'm stuck at.
Revolver for my Special takes care of swarm clear, and my main is kinda stuck not doing that amazingly against Giants. So when one shows up I feel like im shooting confetti at it.

[robust gull]

team game. yell at your teammates to fucking press m1

[knotty bobcat]

Fair.

[serene berry]

or played sawed-off lol

[knotty bobcat]

Hah
No
i tried it and hated it

[robust gull]

the difference is night and day in lobbies that actually shoot

trust

be part of the solution

shoot your best

[knotty bobcat]

So just take whatever for my main and just go big shooty

[serene berry]

as a person who doesn't shoot, its way easier for me when two of my teammates are good at shooting

[knotty bobcat]

What do y'all use as your main whenever you use the revolver special?

[robust gull]

i say this a lot and there's generally some disagreement, but basically, don't sweat mains too much if you're new. they are streamlined into all performing nearly identically. they all kill 3-4 strikers per mag. they all get like 7-11 striker kills per ammo refill (your mileage will vary)

kill times and stuff vary and hel revo/ carbine are clear s tiers but use what you find cozy while you figure out the specials and the rest of the game

[knotty bobcat]

Mains do feel kinda weird.

Also 11 strikers per refill?
That seems like an extemely small amount

[analog flicker]

lol...

[wraith marsh]

hel shotgun is also awesome if you have a mid-long range special

[robust gull]

that's for the higher end ammo efficiency guns like machine pistol, and that doesn't consider your SPECIAL ammo refill

[wraith marsh]

thats more than most ppl get

everyone, even

[robust gull]

average is like 8~ if i recall

[wraith marsh]

7-9 for mains is average

and going for 100% on autos is

lol

hel revo is 9 but it has pen and is a semi so

getting that or more is one of the more feasible ones

[knotty bobcat]

Just seems like a small amount.
Suppose that's kinda the point. Ammo is scarce and missing shots is punishing.

[robust gull]

but then you run a veruta aswell and get an additional like 11 kills per ammo so it equals out to like 19 kills total per ammo refill, which is an entire wave you can kill by yourself assuming 100% accuracy.

[wraith marsh]

its half of an ammo pack

its quite a lot

[analog flicker]

[latent spruce]

finding players in this game is punishing.

[robust gull]

obviously you won't get 100% accuracy but my point is 1 use ammo is quite a lot

[serene berry]

finding players for levels they don't like is punishing :/

[analog flicker]

Man. Not another R1C1 LFG

[knotty bobcat]

Yeah but like, 1 refill to kill 1 wave (roughly) seems brutal when you get like.. 4 refills on the average zone it feels.

[little ridge]

Oh yes another R1C1 LFG

[knotty bobcat]

Its just enough to get through another alarm if you dont fuck up

[little ridge]

I'm ready for clear number 63

[wraith marsh]

this is why hammer exists

[knotty bobcat]

True

go bonk

[analog flicker]

Lowkey I just get tired of the entirety of the level prior to the reactor

[little ridge]

? Takes 5mins

[robust gull]

it's actually a lot more than you realize! simply put, depending on room size mind you, and excluding surges, class 2 is 1 wave. (usually killed by mine). class 3-4 is usually 1 wave, kind of tight on 4, but could be 2 waves depending on rng.

[analog flicker]

Typically r1c1 would have newbies

[robust gull]

4-6 is like 3-4 waves depending on room layout and kill times

[knotty bobcat]

R1C1 was fun.
R2D2 was stress, stress and more stress

[analog flicker]

So, much slower pace. Especially if I'm not trying to just hard carry monkey stealth rooms for them

[knotty bobcat]

Maybe i'm just too used to DRG and counting ammo refills by the hundreds of kills it'll get you.

Haz 5 is nothing compared to a simple B level

[latent spruce]

R4B3 is that bad?

[robust gull]

maybe. bottom line is stealth rooms gooder and do scans gooder.

[analog flicker]

Imean. Drg refills everything by 50% (besides a few things that round up)

[knotty bobcat]

Wdym
It refills by 100%
i steal my scout's ammo

[little ridge]

No it's boring

[analog flicker]

And you get 4 refills per resupply drop

[knotty bobcat]

Not to mention 300 nitra on average, DRG gives you too much ammo

[little ridge]

||Overload has mother/mothers||

[analog flicker]

|| Mommy?! ||

[robust gull]

uHNGNGNNNNNN NOOOOH YEAHHHHHHH THATS THE SPOT

[knotty bobcat]

Oh yeah
Fought my first big mother today

I am scarred for life

[robust gull]

it must be hard to fight them if you got the fetish

blood rushes to wrong head and clouds your judgement

[knotty bobcat]

....I suppose-

[serene berry]

they are fun fights. more fun than tanks imo

[knotty bobcat]

Oh it was fun
It was just the most horrifying thing ever.

We were like ''oh wait it's sleeping, let's sneak in and see how we can ambush it''

Takes 2 steps in
Fucker wakes up

[serene berry]

they are real gross lol

[serene berry]

surprise mechanic! those are scream doors! they are not marked in any way!

😀

[knotty bobcat]

👴

Also the fucking loud ass scream it makes when you enter its zone had us both frozen in fear for like, 10 seconds

We were 100% expecting something to crash down on us

[serene berry]

oh its super super cool

[analog flicker]

When it says it's just a security door.
opens and 2 seconds in the lights turn off and a shadow error starts

[serene berry]

i am glad you cleared it, wiping on a new mechanic at the end of a D level is kinda doo doo

[knotty bobcat]

Man I'm still embarrased over hitting the wall

Had a room with sleeping shadows
I saw a shadow's silhouette, thought it was up against the wall
Went to bonk it on the head, and just Clang right into concrete

The fucker was like 3-4 meters away, and the light was just giving off the silhouette like a normal shadow

[serene berry]

[analog flicker]

Iirc it's best to locate them by looking at their feet

[serene berry]

that is shadows as intended

[analog flicker]

Gl finding their head.

[serene berry]

and now you double check every single one now don't you?

[knotty bobcat]

To be fair
I opened the door and saw a shadow on the wall
And i thought that was the shadow, but no, it was the shadow of the shadow

[knotty bobcat]

Yes-

I make sure to flashlight them twice to make sure I've oriented to hit the back and that the shadow is ''3D'' and not a 2D silhouette across a wall

Shadows have a very freaky effect to them. Wonder how they managed to create it

[serene berry]

yup, you will ID them faster without too much more practice

[knotty bobcat]

They're not that difficult once you know approximately where they are.
It's just figuring out how many and where they all are, and when they're seeking / sleeping that's difficult.

Often end up waking one across the room cuz it was seeking and I couldn't have known before bonking

Also also

Just me that find the hel revo a bit underwhelming against chargers? 4 shots to kill feel rough when the reload is that long

[wraith marsh]

ah

you dont know about reload canceling do you

[robust gull]

uh oh

he about to learn what makes an a-tier gun go into S TIER

[knotty bobcat]

Kind off?`
I see the number change, then swap to my secondary and then back to my main, but it doesn't feel all that much faster.

[robust gull]

reload cancelling the hel revo makes the uptime fucking stupid

[knotty bobcat]

Swapping guns takes some time

[serene berry]

swapping guns does take time, but generally you want to keep your ammos balanced, so reload canceling and just using the secondary until you reload cancel back to primary means you have way way way more uptime.

[knotty bobcat]

Ah

So not
Reload cancel by swapping to secondary then back again

[serene berry]

if you are trying to do that, hit the quick melee button (C for me) then repress 2 to select main again,
faster than what you were doing,
but slower than just balancing your guns

[pine root]

Then you just have combine that with the funny slide reload bunny hop

[wraith marsh]

youre probably not swapping fast enough, equip time is not a lot on most weapons compared to reload time

[pine root]

Make sure you shove a sleeper as well sit on ou don’t waste the stam

[knotty bobcat]

Pls no slide bhop
I've played enough Apex to be tired of that

[pine root]

Ours is harder tbh

The game fights against you instead of apex

[knotty bobcat]

Is this where I reveal my unhinged keybinds?

[pine root]

Sure

You using like rdfg

[knotty bobcat]

Not that unhinged
My wasd is the same

[pine root]

Wesd

[knotty bobcat]

Q is Melee
E is Main
M3 is special
M4 is crouch
M5 is ping
Ctrl is resource pack

V is interact

[wraith marsh]

w

wha

t

[pine root]

Okay that ain’t that bad

[wraith marsh]

your buttons are close but your choices for each are ?

[knotty bobcat]

Jump is still on space dw
It's not on scroll wheel down

[pine root]

We can’t bind it to scoll down

[knotty bobcat]

I don't like pressing the number buttons

[wraith marsh]

yeah but like

why is e main and m3 special

those are no where near eachother

ctrl for resource pack??

[pine root]

What is quick chat and shove

[knotty bobcat]

They're all around the wasd or on my mouse
:)

[knotty bobcat]

Because I'm used to crouch on M4. It's an extra button on the side of my mouse
Else I'd out res on m4 probably

[wispy bluff]

Are you secretly a FromSoft developer

[knotty bobcat]

Quick Shove is C

Quick chat is T

[wraith marsh]

just get an mmo mouse with 9 thumb buttons

[knotty bobcat]

I don't use it tho.
Since I'm on vc in discord
And my duo Controls the bots

[wraith marsh]

ngl

this guy is NOT finding cells

[knotty bobcat]

I tried but I kept pressing the wrong ones
So I just like 2

[pine root]

He doesn’t know what q2 is

[wraith marsh]

fair

[pine root]

It happens

[knotty bobcat]

q2?-

[wraith marsh]

I have a few friends with the mmo mice and I have no idea how they do it

[pine root]

Quick chat menu changes depending on your position to certain things

Allowing to binary check for items

Is it in my rooms type of deal

[knotty bobcat]

Aha

[pine root]

Not useful unless you are in a hurry

For some reason

[pine root]

Not the worst binds I have seen

But shove is important when it comes to long terms development and skill

[knotty bobcat]

I know some unhinged people that rebind wasd

[pine root]

I used to be a wesd player

[knotty bobcat]

Is that the king keybind for anim canceling?

[serene berry]

lol i tuck my thumb under my palm to slide, their set up makes way more sense

[knotty bobcat]

Okay how the fuck do you wesd

[pine root]

w is forward e is back ward s is left and d is right

That way you only use two fingers for movement

[knotty bobcat]

I know of esdf. ijkl
But wesd is new to me

[pine root]

It is a fun one

Pretty good in my fortnight days

[knotty bobcat]

I'm too used to my ring being solely for A movement

[wraith marsh]

that just sounds worse to me

cuz then I cant quickswap weapons while moving backwards as comfortably

[pine root]

Get better hands

[wraith marsh]

I have small hands ok

😭

[pine root]

I have 3 fingers open meaning you can do a lot more

[knotty bobcat]

I have tried esdf before though
It's the exact same as wasd in practice. But it let's you have 3 extra buttons to the left (qwa) instead of just 1 (q)

I just had to re learn where to out my elbow and wrist

[wraith marsh]

I like

[little ridge]

How do lefties use keyboard?

[wraith marsh]

spider grip my keyboard while gaming

[little ridge]

Still WASD? Ain't that too close to mouse?

[wraith marsh]

so the amount of open fingers is differing

[knotty bobcat]

ijkl

And mouse on the left

[little ridge]

heh

[pine root]

Left handed people don’t exist

Come on

We all know this

[knotty bobcat]

My friend uses ijkl
It's weird to look at but it does the exact same as wasd for us
It's just. Mirrored.

[serene berry]

wait, do you have your thumb or pinky underneath the keyboard?

[wraith marsh]

nah nah, not holding it

[pine root]

yeah for those sick back buttons

[wraith marsh]

like I stretch my hand a lot

[pine root]

NES Tetris style

[wraith marsh]

and rotate around my ring finger

[little ridge]

"Spider grip"?

[knotty bobcat]

HE DOES THE DOME

[little ridge]

Wait wait wait, Chill is a Spider?

[pine root]

Always has been

[wraith marsh]

it lets me do various weapon swaps from 1-5

[pine root]

What is you hacking tool button

[serene berry]

ohhh you are spinning your hand as you play

[pine root]

I play with the orb

[wraith marsh]

yeah

playing doom go crazy

[knotty bobcat]

6?

I don't use that button
I just walk up to whatever that needs to be hacked and hols V(interact)

[wraith marsh]

but you need to bioscan faster

[pine root]

How do you bm the sleepers then

[knotty bobcat]

The hacking tool does bioscans faster??

[knotty bobcat]

I just nod at em

DbD taught me nodding is toxic

[pine root]

Gamers don’t look up

So that makes sense

It is an intentional action

[pine root]

If you know what your doing yes

[wraith marsh]

im having the dilemma of whether or not to spread misinfo to new players

fuck

[knotty bobcat]

Oh
Lmao

[junior latch]

Spread stuff thats outlandish and makes no sense

[little ridge]

I'll tell you a nice story

[pine root]

All sleepers are 1’s or 2’s

[little ridge]

Ready to hear it?

[pine root]

if they are a 1

[wraith marsh]

hacking tool is an old meme tho

[pine root]

Then they won’t long range

If they are a two then they will

[junior latch]

dont do wacky stuff like „pistol is the best main“ thats boring

[serene berry]

its scratches an itch that nothing else can

[junior latch]

do stuff like scouts are invulnerable with feelers out

[wraith marsh]

we are here to help* you

[knotty bobcat]

I'd prolly figure out you'd be lying about the bioscan.
I got a good internal clock

[little ridge]

I met a guy today that was CONVINCED that if you mod the game, the game has a sort of control system that spawns tanks/mothers out of nowhere

[wraith marsh]

😄

[little ridge]

And we aren't talking about training opening doors

[pine root]

All sleepers

Are ones or twos

[little ridge]

Someone in his lobby told a guy that was modding "be careful! the game will make the map harder!"

and suddenly shit spawned out of nowhere

[knotty bobcat]

I remember loving the pistol when R3 launched or something

What happened to it? 😭

[little ridge]

I still couldn't convince him of the truth

[wraith marsh]

its still fine

[junior latch]

Range nerf

also other guns buffed

[wraith marsh]

just powercreeped

[knotty bobcat]

Damn

[serene berry]

[wraith marsh]

rifle is pretty much just better rn

[pine root]

Don’t use the ping everything mom

Else Schaffer is gonna come get you

[wraith marsh]

(kinda)

[pine root]

Yeah it is

You can say that

[wraith marsh]

its more practical, ill put it that way

[little ridge]

So basically, someone with cheats is going around spreading misinfo that mods will make the game harder because of some "hidden" detection system the game has

[knotty bobcat]

Felt the exact same thing
It has the same breakpoints
Similar max ammo
Similar clip
More range
More stagger
Just slower reload and rof

[sharp owl]

😂

[little ridge]

Which is some 4D chess for someone that really hates mods

[wispy bluff]

What would be your proposition to change about the rifle or pistol to get them on level

[wraith marsh]

I mean they just shouldnt have given rifle stagger

[pine root]

I don’t mod. I cheat

[knotty bobcat]

Rifle also feels strong and weak at the same time

[junior latch]

What

[pine root]

We aren’t called the gtfo cheaters for nothing

[wraith marsh]

quick

to the baby stack

[little ridge]

I spoke to a guy that said someone in his previous group reprimended a guy who used a mod because "the game will know it and spawn harder shit"

[wraith marsh]

im NOT a cheater

[pine root]

just have to hammer the babies for the next 30 seconds to get full health

[junior latch]

Better breakpoints
Worse ammo
Same clip basically
More range
More stagger (not rly noticeable tho)
Reload is actual as quick with reload cancel (and rof is basically same)

[pine root]

You know

[serene berry]

ewww i bet he doesn't shower

[knotty bobcat]

Aren't both pistol and rifle 1+2?

[pine root]

On striker yes

[knotty bobcat]

Ah yeah other enemies exist too

[pine root]

And range dependent

[serene berry]

i am not a cheater, i just use cheats as part of my identity

[wraith marsh]

just kill the stagger and rifle is fine tbh

and yknow

revert pistols range

[knotty bobcat]

I have some mods installed (pls don't hurt me)

[pine root]

Just use hel rev

[pine root]

You can’t say that here

Dak is watching

[wraith marsh]

jish we cant just say that everytime

[junior latch]

Oof

Based missinfo tho

[knotty bobcat]

Isn't the rifle somewhat weak?

[wraith marsh]

this channel would be even deader then

[knotty bobcat]

Wuh woh

[pine root]

Just use hel revo

Tho

Like

[sharp owl]

@pine root took my time with it especially after fog rise

[wraith marsh]

rifle is a very comfortable weapon

[junior latch]

its very good

[little ridge]

Rifle's very nice

[wraith marsh]

its not the most efficient but its just overall good for everything

[junior latch]

not top 3. but arguable for top 5

[pine root]

Makes sense especially if you carried everything over yourself

[wicked solstice]

Rifle is indeed nice

[knotty bobcat]

Ah alright

So just ammo hungry?

[sharp owl]

yeah bots dont carry when error

[pine root]

It is the 3rd best single shot in main

I think

[junior latch]

yea, but the difference isnt noticeable unless you underuse your special

[knotty bobcat]

What's the other 3?
Hel revo and dmr?

[wraith marsh]

use it with combat shotty

you will feel the diff

[pine root]

Hel rev, dmr, rifle

[junior latch]

well ye. Hel revo and dmr top 2 for that lol

[wicked solstice]

Hel revo has to be one of them

[pine root]

In that order

[junior latch]

but carbine and hel shotty exist

:>

[knotty bobcat]

I kinda prefer rifle over dmr

[wicked solstice]

Oh right

[pine root]

Sure

[junior latch]

carbine honestly plays like a single shot

[wicked solstice]

did carbine every get merfed

[pine root]

And sawed off exists

[little ridge]

DMR one taps shooters heads

Which is nice

[wraith marsh]

just a tiny bit

[little ridge]

I personally hate the sight so fucking much I almost never take it

[wraith marsh]

not enough to push it out of any meta whatsoever

[wicked solstice]

oh right didn’t it lose some max ammo

[pine root]

Bullet cost 1.3 -1.4

Or something

[junior latch]

ammo slightly down (per refill and max)

roughly lowered it by 2/3rds of a kill per refill

[knotty bobcat]

I'm never gonna learn bullet cost
Too much math

[pine root]

Dw about it

[wraith marsh]

bullet cost is not important

[little ridge]

A bit ammo-wise but it's so fucking easy to use and overall good that it's still super-strong

[pine root]

Devs didn’t even learn it

[wraith marsh]

ammo per refill is the main thing

(theyre the same thing but sh)

[junior latch]

carbine nerf was a good step

[pine root]

Still working out that knife can kill scout

[junior latch]

even if it didnt do that much

[knotty bobcat]

Bullet cost is just how much you get per refill?

[pine root]

It is everything

[wicked solstice]

honestly i just wish like half the main weapons could stand in the face of carbine and hel revo

[knotty bobcat]

Ah

[pine root]

Dmr can

[wicked solstice]

Remember when I suggested removing hel revo reload cancel and I started a literal war

[pine root]

Shooter answer is pretty good

[knotty bobcat]

Okay 1 of you have to sell me the carbine
I've used it like 3 times
And I don't buy it

[little ridge]

Guys guys guys, hear me: HEL Carbine

[wraith marsh]

I still think hel revo is well above carbine just cuz of pierce

[pine root]

8 — > 6

Would be enough tbh Dak

[wraith marsh]

I also still think pierce is some of the funnest shit in this game

[wicked solstice]

yeah I still think the reload speed needs to be nerfed

Maybe not all the way to it’s intended speed

[knotty bobcat]

Pierce sounds nice but I don't see it doing something
Might just be hard to tell sometimes

[wraith marsh]

you have to aim for it most of the time

and you are rewarded greatly

[pine root]

8—6 is a brutal nerf

[wicked solstice]

But even if it’s nerfed from 8 -> 6

[pine root]

Na it crazy

[wraith marsh]

hel shotty is the brainless pierce option

[wicked solstice]

It still has super fast uptime

[junior latch]

insane dps, insane dmg per mag
Bullets are as thick as tree logs. Super quick reload

[pine root]

But you need to make use of it

[junior latch]

Carbine is far easier. Hel revo has higher ceiling

[wicked solstice]

Well yes

I’m trying to balance for the high tier players here

Not myself

[junior latch]

8->6 is MASSIVE

[wicked solstice]

I’m still gonna be shit with it if you give it 10 chambers tbh

[junior latch]

thats a 25% nerf on uptime

[little ridge]

Carbine is OLD Apex R99

[pine root]

I mean high tier players probs don’t want the high skill expression gun nerfed in weapon feel

[little ridge]

Easy to use and effective

[pine root]

That is why we didn’t play system error until we nodded out melees back in

[wicked solstice]

Ig 8 -> 6 would be nice in terms of just making sense lmao

[knotty bobcat]

Carbine I kinda just spam as if it's a full auto

[wraith marsh]

its pretty much an auto yea

[wispy bluff]

nah, its just quirky pistol

[junior latch]

But its as controlable as a semi auto if you want. Which is huge

[pine root]

You can also do a 15% ammo increase

So we have to go for pen for it to be valuable

[junior latch]

gotta think of it like this

Most main guns pack roughly 70-90 dmg per mag. Carbine has 114

[robust gull]

ngl 8 >6 would be a psychological buff because i get stressed seeing me only reload a 6 rounder and i have 8 bullets. vietnam ptsd flashbacks to team fortress 2 and the demoman's grenade launcher having 6 tubes but a clip size of 4

[junior latch]

hel shotty… packs 180+ (theoretically even more due to pen) but thats just hel shotty lol (and range issue)

[wicked solstice]

Hel shotty is stupid busted tbh

[junior latch]

it has tradeoffs tho

[serene berry]

hell ya

[junior latch]

its easy S tier or higher in power

[wraith marsh]

hel shotty must remain in the shadows

no nerfs

[knotty bobcat]

Feels like dps doesn't matter too much
Giants you can just stunlock with stagger
And small guys have too little hp. So you count breakpoints for them

[junior latch]

but long ass reload for its power time, ass range (and spread) aswell as a breakpoint that balances it out a bit

[little ridge]

Chargers exist

[wraith marsh]

youre having trouble with surges and you say that?

[wicked solstice]

Hel shotty has the opposite problem of autopiss imo

[knotty bobcat]

Yes
Lmao

[junior latch]

dps isnt the biggest thing. But carbine deals with giants alone easily

[serene berry]

hel shotgun is bad, because when i use it i don't feel good

[wraith marsh]

it doesnt matter ALL the time

[serene berry]

therefore it needs a buff

[wraith marsh]

but it is still important

[junior latch]

its the most used speed weapon since alt r1 i think

[wicked solstice]

I still don’t know why it needs to be full auto

[robust gull]

FELLAS FELLAS, HEAR ME OUT.
take the doomer pill and realize it is far too late to balance this game. we have four fucking smgs for gods sake how do you even approach the topic of making players feel smart for taking different ones

[knotty bobcat]

My duo has fallen in love with the hel Shotgun
I tried it once once the entire game broke and we had to restart
It's cursed on me. I cannot use it

[junior latch]

Also gotta consider, it can either do a similar dps to other guns but LONGER or do way more dmg in the same time as others

[wicked solstice]

just because it isn’t balanced now doesn’t mean it can’t be lmao

[wispy bluff]

What would you do to fix the discrepancy / disbalance between The Rifle and The Pistol. Anything at all?

[knotty bobcat]

Fair point

[wicked solstice]

that’s the worst approach tbh

[robust gull]

CONSUME THE DOOMER PILL MODERATOR. END TIMES ARE NEAR

[junior latch]

Remove rifle stagger

[wicked solstice]

Imagine if they did that with burst cannon

[junior latch]

first thing

[serene berry]

the forbidden jutsu

[robust gull]

R8 IS GONNA BE LACKLUSTER AND WE WILL COMMENCE THE SUICIDE PACT

HYPE IT UP

WE GONNA DIE TOGETHER

WOOHOO

[junior latch]

Scatter, stop

[wicked solstice]

“It’s busted now, we shouldn’t nerf it tho”

[robust gull]

glad you get it

gotem

[wicked solstice]

imagine if hel revo still had 5 pen LMAO

[wraith marsh]

scattergun pre nerf

[wicked solstice]

Or that too

[junior latch]

@wispy bluff otherwise, give pistol its r5 range back. Then both guns are similar in strength imo

[knotty bobcat]

I wish I was here for pre nerfed BC. 5 pen hel revo. Scattergun.

[wicked solstice]

God if the game was never balanced idk if I’d have been able to play vanilla tbh

[wispy bluff]

And what was the old range? Wiki says its 6m right now

[wicked solstice]

Would feel like a mess

[little ridge]

Post nerf-Scattergun was solid but no exaggerated

[serene berry]

it what

[wicked solstice]

Apparently it had 5 pen at one point, according to- i forgot who tbh

[junior latch]

R6 sniper, r4 hel revo, r6 pre nerf scattergun, r4 burst cannom, r6 hel gun.
R6 pre nerf burst sentry, r7 post nerf sniper sentry (better than pre, since it didnt double shoot anymore on bio ping) and r1 shotgun sentry

[wicked solstice]

Might’ve been more misinformation tbh

[junior latch]

What a time to be alive

[wicked solstice]

R1 SHOTGUN SENTRY

I LOVE TRIBAL MTG

[knotty bobcat]

Didn't it have 5 pen before R6
I saw a patch notes video on R6 that the revo went from 5 pen to 2 pen

[wicked solstice]

IN GTFO

[little ridge]

Swipe Spear

[junior latch]

i think 2m more. Dont recall exactly

[little ridge]

That was fun

[robust gull]

i think a good starting point for balance would be to stop the charger spam (sprinkle them in alarms to create distinct target prioritization and promote situational loadouts rather than posing the base question of (how does this fare against 30 health unit spam?)

cough revolver cough

[knotty bobcat]

Lord
I hate charger waves

[serene berry]

whats your favorite tribe?

[knotty bobcat]

Fighting a wave of pure chargers is the worst

[wicked solstice]

Damn

I actually don’t know I just like tribal

[knotty bobcat]

Well actually I guess surge waves are worse since I've yet to properly survive those

[wicked solstice]

now imagine

Charger surge

Oh wait Samdown exists i don’t have to imagine

[robust gull]

as much as i want to love revolver i cannot bring it on c tier weapons for i am scourge upon my team

[wicked solstice]

Just bring it lol

[robust gull]

no

[junior latch]

I remember when someone thought surge enemys couldnt stagger

[knotty bobcat]

Charger surge will be the 1 thing I'd never do in this game

[junior latch]

XD

[wicked solstice]

You can make any weapon work as long as you’re skilled enough

[little ridge]

Man there were some bizzarre theories out there

[robust gull]

i mean sure but it doesn't mean it is gonna be fun

[wicked solstice]

Cryodyne took it upon themself to beat all of R4 with Bullpup, PR, and Spear

[knotty bobcat]

Fun is arbitrary

[wicked solstice]

They did it

[wicked solstice]

Fun is what you make it

[wraith marsh]

1 zone spawn bbc and charger S surge

[knotty bobcat]

Bullpup 🤢

[wraith marsh]

😃

fun fun fun

[junior latch]

The issue is less the loadout for that and more there being 3 other loadouts

[wicked solstice]

I think spitters are fun bc I enjoy listening to my teammates suffer

[knotty bobcat]

I wanna love the gun so bad
It feels so nice to shoot
But man
The ammo it chews through

[wicked solstice]

:3

[robust gull]

this, you are griefing your other teammates and the ammo economy

[knotty bobcat]

And the reload

[wraith marsh]

can bring a bad loadout and not shoot

[serene berry]

yaa, i'm good

[junior latch]

its not rough to beat levels with 3 people if good enougz. So why would someone taking useless stuff be worse

[wraith marsh]

you can also overshoot with a good loadout

[junior latch]

they can just not use them

[wicked solstice]

Also keep in mind

I’m coming from a static perspective

Most of y’all use LFG iirc

[serene berry]

[knotty bobcat]

My duo used the PR solely for the thermal in the beginning

[wraith marsh]

I mean

not really

[little ridge]

I think only me tbh

[wicked solstice]

Ah nvm lmao

[junior latch]

Rarely, very rarely

i do play wildly through known players tho (due to speeding often)

[wicked solstice]

yeah i grief my teammates and we have fun with it

[little ridge]

I'm pretty sure everyone else has a static

[wraith marsh]

the nomadic friend group

[serene berry]

nah, i lfg, but not hard levels, but nobody else does, cept voxy

[knotty bobcat]

I have a static
But I dunno how long we'll keep it up for
:')

[junior latch]

Get them into shooting a lot

boom theyll love it

Melee and stealth is a myth

[wraith marsh]

join the 1/4 remaining group

like 90% of the playerbase

[knotty bobcat]

Kek

I'm shy
Bad with randoms

[robust gull]

end of the day it dont matter

pve game. balance nightmare. fun nightmare. 4 people to please per lobby

doomer pill

[knotty bobcat]

Were shooting alot

[junior latch]

Shoot more

[analog flicker]

shoot eva

[robust gull]

shoot more

[little ridge]

I feel like Scatter Eagle's writings have inner meaning encrypted

[analog flicker]

Imean. The strikers

[robust gull]

please do not execute the germans they are carrying the speedrunning scene

[analog flicker]

[serene berry]

only lfg hard levels, it makes the sticks in the mud stick out way more

[flint glen]

new to discord-based matchmaking, how does one input a lobby code in-game to join an existing game?

[analog flicker]

Nein

you don't

[robust gull]

north american speedrunners have a highschool cafeteria food fight every 2 weeks

[analog flicker]

The game reads your clipboard

[serene berry]

You don't post it anywhere, if it's in your clipboard, the button appears under select run down

[flint glen]

nice, thanks

[robust gull]

if people stop taking their schizo meds i make much more sense in my unhinged rantings

[wispy bluff]

Nah, you're just the internet guy who posts internet word salad. Its pretty common actually.

[little ridge]

Meds can be anagrammed to Dems=Democrats, Medikits are Red...

[robust gull]

bottom line is im better than you

[robust gull]

im stronger than you and please atleast 98 woman daily

[wispy bluff]

Dota 2 forums have that in spades, only far less... Uh... Graceful, lets say.

[robust gull]

trust

[knotty bobcat]

[robust gull]

unshowered for half a year? more like replenishing natural pheromones

[knotty bobcat]

Eyo

What's better against chargers
Hel rifle or gun

[wraith marsh]

rifle

not by much

and also only kinda

[serene berry]

cultivating your natural masculine muck musk?

[robust gull]

veruta 60 rounds of daka daka BRRRRR PEW PEW KILL BAD GUYS

dont take out veruta's fat sister though

40 rounds of limp sad shootings

[little ridge]

"What's better Hel Rifle or gun?" "Veruta!"

[robust gull]

yep

my brain swells and throbs with knowledge

[knotty bobcat]

Lmao options are more options

[robust gull]

pulsates

[wispy bluff]

i prefer rifle

[robust gull]

im megamind

[little ridge]

😄

[junior latch]

Hel rifle is definetly better against purely chargers