gtfo-chat

[robust gull]

even something like the auto pistol which is "crowd control" has enough bullets to kill 3 strikers per mag, like most mains

[pine root]

scatter

[sharp siren]

soul food its hearth of america

[pine root]

You are insane

[robust gull]

sup

i am insane

[pine root]

If you think hel pp has killing power

LOL

[sharp siren]

not insane your just stupid

[serene berry]

#blasses

[sharp siren]

🦀

[robust gull]

silence germany back to your box

hiss

[mint light]

I know

[knotty bobcat]

I'm literally just going around to know the numbers on a gun. So I can learn them.

But why would I not know the stats of it?

[pine root]

It is balanced for 15% idk

[little ridge]

isn't hearth written like that totally different from heart?

[wraith marsh]

im gonna keep quoting this stat until you regret it

[pine root]

Idk nerd players are nerd players

[wraith marsh]

😃

[sharp siren]

esol mothafuckas be like

[robust gull]

real shit i am accurate enough to be not outright disregarded but inaccurate enough so people can't tell if i'm trolling or stupid

[pine root]

I think the reps will be better for ya

[robust gull]

😎

[little ridge]

H at the end is a fireplace, right?

now I need to google what's an esol

[robust gull]

what the fuck is the hell pp

btw

[pine root]

Auto pistol

Hel pp

[sharp siren]

basicallyt english as a second leanguage

[robust gull]

wtf

[wraith marsh]

and machine pp is machine pistol ofc

[robust gull]

ok my message got auto modded

lets break it up in two parts

[wicked solstice]

XD

[sharp siren]

your account should get auto modded

[robust gull]

jishj we had this argument THE HEL AUTOPISTOL IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE WEAPONS

[rose nova]

is not bad to read stats, its just they can be a bit misleadin sometimes
hel shottie tells u it can oneshot a smol maybe with headshots, but u and try and the stats say its hard
but then u try it with many dudes piled up and hel shottie is the best thing ever
they can just be a lil funky to work with, but nothin wrong knowin about em either

[pine root]

No

[wraith marsh]

thats happening to a lot of my friends recently its really fun

[robust gull]

ok

AUTOMODDED AGAIN

[wraith marsh]

I love dickscord

[robust gull]

I FOUND THE PROBLEM PART

IF.

EVERY.

SHOT. IS A.

OK

WE FOUND THE PROBLEM WORD

[pine root]

Lol

[robust gull]

PENETRATION

[little ridge]

ScatterEagle really is Chaotic Chaotic, Jish is right

[robust gull]

DOUBLE

DOUBLE PENE

[pine root]

LOL

[robust gull]

OK

THATS THE AUTO MODDED WORD GOOD 2 KNOW

[wicked solstice]

._.

[pine root]

Double pp

[wispy bluff]

Discord mega cringe

[wicked solstice]

XD

[pine root]

You do two dmg

Pre bullet

[robust gull]

anyways if everyshot is double pene headshot then it is one of the most cost effective weapons 🤓

so.. just line up every shot to be double pene

[pine root]

I don’t care

[little ridge]

pene means penis in italian, ftr

[wraith marsh]

the hel revo in the room:

[robust gull]

(jish this is real scatter i am JOKING YOU FOOL!!!)

[sharp siren]

pene means dick in spanish

[rose nova]

in spanish not italian

[pine root]

Doubled pened

[rose nova]

_>

[pine root]

Your mom

[wicked solstice]

Isn’t pene a type of paste?

[sharp siren]

la pija

[little ridge]

italian too

[wicked solstice]

Wait no that’s penne

[little ridge]

that's penne

[rose nova]

but spanish is better

[mint light]

What happened ?

[sharp siren]

yes sir its pasta

[wicked solstice]

pasta luigi

[sharp siren]

bambino

[wicked solstice]

I used to spell linguini as luigi

[sharp siren]

mario kart

[mint light]

Penne you uncultured swine

[little ridge]

Linguine not linguini

[wispy bluff]

Watch Eagle trying to pronounce a game mechanic above

[robust gull]

i cant wait for the biggest auto sentry buff, auto sentry aiming for the body and not the head

[wicked solstice]

Automod happened

Or just being removed

Or like sweeping targets

[sharp siren]

never gonna happend

[robust gull]

dakstar do you see my automod messages btw?

[wicked solstice]

doesn’t it literally tell you

Something something “the mods see this”

[robust gull]

probably but i just bluffed my way through school i have the literacy skills of a second grader

[wicked solstice]

That’s reading comprehension not literacy

[mint light]

I wish I did not read back

[sharp siren]

I did say you were stupid

[sharp siren]

inb4 german

im not german

[robust gull]

i'm the reason you have any content at all for your youtube channel. my chronic shitposting forces 10 chambers to force the janitor to hit generate button level

[little ridge]

prove it

[robust gull]

you would do well to remember this

[mint light]

Ever seen a black german ?

[wicked solstice]

you shitpost?

[mint light]

there you go

proof

[little ridge]

Odonkor...

[robust gull]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-poop-monkey-throw-mad-gif-17790027

[wispy bluff]

Wasn't there an SS subdivision or...

I'm probably misremembering something

[sharp siren]

Yo hablo espanol man

[rose nova]

quien

[sharp siren]

yo

[mint light]

that's the lightest Brown ever m8

[sharp siren]

mongolon

[rose nova]

esta

[robust gull]

i thought we had a mini section where we discussed you had german heritage. meaning i won the argument before you were even born

[mint light]

temporary imports

[robust gull]

i schemed it

[sharp siren]

no cap

[wicked solstice]

dragon is actually aussie

[sharp siren]

germans didnt go to argentina

[wicked solstice]

He hides the accent to not be found

[sharp siren]

he went to my actual country to hide

[robust gull]

kek

[sharp owl]

ireland

[sharp siren]

like for real

[autumn bobcat]

lmao penetration is automodded

[sharp siren]

penetration

[robust gull]

its actually double pene thats automodded

[wicked solstice]

it’s not penetration

Yeah

[rose nova]

penetration

hum

[mint light]

That would make him Ginger_Dragon

[sharp siren]

penetration

penetration

[rose nova]

u lied loafy >:[

[robust gull]

it's ok for guys/girls to take one dick, but taking two is going too far

[sharp siren]

ban me

[robust gull]

thanks discord

[autumn bobcat]

ohhh it’s double penetration

[wicked solstice]

That’s not discord

[sharp siren]

i mean makes sense

[autumn bobcat]

that’s funny af

[wicked solstice]

It’s this specific bot

Yes ofc it makes sense

I don’t know what it means

But i can only guess

[rose nova]

ohh

funk

[wicked solstice]

you just looked it up didn’t you

[rose nova]

double pasta :3

[rose nova]

me?

wait

u dont know what it means

[wicked solstice]

Yeah ig we gotta call it double pasta now

No

I do nlt

[rose nova]

... h how

[wicked solstice]

Not

[rose nova]

u too pure for this world qwq

[wicked solstice]

because I don’t

nah I’m defo not pure

But i just don’t know

[sharp owl]

he hangs in gen chat for way too long

[wicked solstice]

Don’t care tbh

yup

[rose nova]

too cute

pat

[sharp owl]

leave

[rose nova]

no

:3

[robust gull]

we should hold a moderator election

because dakstar is #notmymod

[rose nova]

if im mod ill make everyone talk in uwu

[autumn bobcat]

stankstar

[wicked solstice]

loaffy

[autumn bobcat]

[robust gull]

i have a good cosmetic suggestion but there is no more suggested content tab

so here goes nothing

fingerless gloves and a trenchcoat for the torso slot, and a fedora for the hat slot

[junior latch]

its also worse than it once was still

[robust gull]

am i right or am i right?

[rose nova]

yeah but is was not as bad as it once was :3

[robust gull]

and for the pants slot, sweatpants that say JUICY across the ass

please add asap, thank you

[junior latch]

it does actually matter :>

[robust gull]

shoutout to the emotional terrorists pulling up into a level with knife, auto pistol, auto sentry, hel rifle

im actually not sure what the worst special weapon would be, they all do pretty okay

[wispy bluff]

precision rifle

not even a contest, much to my shigrin

[analog flicker]

The shame to a build I actually run

[low cloud]

hey everyone me and my friend @cinder elk just started playing, we were wondering if anyone would like to show us the ropes to two brand new, terrified prisoners that don't understand terminals 😄

[rose nova]

hello! u can use the LFG channels to join n share lobbies!

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[rose nova]

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel
and be sure to do the tutorial first [Training] and start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one

[low cloud]

brill thank you!

[robust gull]

Iunno. The thing still performs alright. 4 charger kills per mag. Good for shadows. I'm not gonna call it a tier but i guess what i mean is even the worst specials are still pretty usable.

[wispy bluff]

4?...

[wraith marsh]

its not even 3 chargers

[wispy bluff]

How much damage that thing deals again?

[wicked solstice]

do not bring PR for chargers

[robust gull]

Wait am i griefing?

[wraith marsh]

always

[wicked solstice]

literally yes

[wispy bluff]

A little bit, maybe

[robust gull]

I might be thinking of modded

[wispy bluff]

Its trash against anything that itsn't a shadow

[wicked solstice]

Chargers have no precision weakpoint

[robust gull]

Is it 14 or 16 damage

[wraith marsh]

its 11 lmao

[robust gull]

Per shot

[wicked solstice]

Nah it’s fine vs smol

It’s 11

[wispy bluff]

about as fine as bullpup

[wicked solstice]

Needs 3 shots to kill a charger

[wispy bluff]

they share that extra chromosome reload speed

[robust gull]

Oh FUCK ok im mistaken hard

Mb mb

[wicked solstice]

Even if it didn’t

[wispy bluff]

You're legit might be confusing it with DMR

[wraith marsh]

the 14 16 diff is revo/hel gun

[wispy bluff]

Which actually can kill 4 charger per mag

[robust gull]

I don't know why i remembered it as 16

[wispy bluff]

apparently

[wicked solstice]

16 might be with precision mod factored it

Wait no

That’d be a massive prec mod

[robust gull]

Why the fuck

[wispy bluff]

you're asking us?

Tell it to the people that took 4 bullets away from it

bullets it desperately needed

[wicked solstice]

PR got fucked tbh

[robust gull]

Mister mod achtuaklly the charger back is a weak poimt!!

[wicked solstice]

at least hcp is still slightly usable

[junior latch]

wat

[wispy bluff]

It was literally fine

[wicked solstice]

It is a weakspot

Not a precision weakspot

There’s a difference

[robust gull]

I genuinely had a stroke

[wicked solstice]

PR gets extra damage when it hits a precision point

[wraith marsh]

funnily enough

[wicked solstice]

Which is either a head or a tunor

[wraith marsh]

it still wouldnt 1 shot to back if it was a precision spot

[wicked solstice]

LMAO

god poor PR

[wispy bluff]

i know right?

I still dont understand why it has a full auto feature

[wicked solstice]

it does?

[wispy bluff]

You didn't know?

[robust gull]

I actually learnt it could be used as a takedown on charger scouts.

[wispy bluff]

Hold LMB and it goes bang bang bang

i might have it on a video actually...

[robust gull]

And ye it has full auto

[wispy bluff]

I think it was originally meant to be a contestant to HAR

Less raw damage, but precision

But then they just kinda half ass reworked it

[wicked solstice]

Why does it have full auto

[wispy bluff]

And it turned into m14 wannabe

[wicked solstice]

Hel shotgun doesn’t deserve it either

[wraith marsh]

bruh thats gotta be close as fuck

[robust gull]

Precision weapons are full auto. It's 2050, old man

[wispy bluff]

that's not how it works

even in 2020 the standart that every gun has a "semi / auto" switch, with burst if you want to give rookies a chance

game devs too lazy to program that

[robust gull]

Try it. Quite interesting.

[wraith marsh]

I really need to get a solid number on the charger scout stagger time

[wicked solstice]

just use scattergun lol

[wraith marsh]

because thats .56 seconds right there for it to work

[robust gull]

Please do not use me as a gun

[wicked solstice]

scattergun literally point and click delete anything that isn’t a tank or birther

And pre nerf it could do those

[junior latch]

for what :o

[wraith marsh]

precision rifle to back of charger scout

3 shots

[wispy bluff]

I will consider

[wraith marsh]

scatters saying it works?

[wicked solstice]

I’ve seen a non alerted scout stagger before

[wraith marsh]

which means charger scout staggers for longer than .56 second

[wicked solstice]

Was with hel shotgun on a CA

charger scout

[wraith marsh]

yea scouts stagger

[robust gull]

I've done it. Apparently you can normal scout takedown with a dmr even. Spam shoot back of head

[wraith marsh]

thats why autos are able to kill scouts

its why meleeing a charger scout works too

and why you dont actually need to count down it, just react

I just want an actual number cuz im a nerd

I knew it was over .5 cuz of high cal double shot

but close

[analog flicker]

Dmr 1 occi/1back
Hel revo can do this too

[serene berry]

i staggered a scout once, but the second shove is not fast enough to keep him stun locked

[wicked solstice]

MG can as well

[gray pilot]

REMNANT 2!!!

[wicked solstice]

11 DAYS

[gray pilot]

[wicked solstice]

You gonna stream it?

[pine root]

This is ping dependent

I believe at least pr is

[wraith marsh]

jish do you know the stagger time as an exact number

[pine root]

Na only vibes

[wraith marsh]

damn

I also completely forgot about ping so it doesnt matter as much sadly

[glacial gazelle]

so I cant play this game with random people?

[rose nova]

hello! sure u can, u can try the LFG channels to find n share lobbies

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[rose nova]

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel
and if you are new be sure to do the tutorial first [Training] and start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one

[pine root]

All weapons that hit the 10 dmg breka point

You can just quick swap

Melee

[wraith marsh]

kinda

[pine root]

For charger scouts

[wraith marsh]

double tap equip time is fucking

.6 seconds??

bruh there aint no way

[pine root]

You have to aim in

And shoot

[wraith marsh]

but yeah, I was mainly looking for funny shoot shit

a few mains with a macro for shooting (non autos) get surprisingly close

but I also forgot ping

so who cares!

[pine root]

LOL

No make it host dependent then i care

[wraith marsh]

hel revo is kinda close butI doubt it

hel revo working would rely on the stagger time being anything more than .6

carbine is like

JUST under

like, 57 damage I think

hel shotty can obv

same with sawed off

[wispy bluff]

you're telling me i can solo a c-scout with a helshot?

[wicked solstice]

Yes

[wispy bluff]

fascinating

[wraith marsh]

theoretically, double tap SHOULD work

but its

liek hel revo, needs more than .6

actually a bit worse than hel revo

hel shotty should be fairly easy to do it with as a not joke

[wicked solstice]

Yeag

[wraith marsh]

since its auto and you have a little leeway since its 13 damage instead of 10

[analog flicker]

sawed off

[wraith marsh]

yea thats free

[analog flicker]

[wraith marsh]

especially if you do 2 shots

there is actually 1 thing im not sure about

for burst weapons does shot delay apply to the final bullet before burst cd

or is it already included in burst cd

or does it just not apply at all

(I assumed it didnt apply at all)

[wicked solstice]

Uhh if it helps

You can basically auto fire Burst rifle

Idk how much shot delay it has

[wraith marsh]

very little

[wicked solstice]

Burst cannon has a definitive cooldown tho

[wraith marsh]

but still significantly less than the burst cd

[wicked solstice]

And it fires over a long while

What is BC cooldown

Sorry, shot delay

[wraith marsh]

.06

[wicked solstice]

REALLY?

Bro i swear it’s like half a second

Oh wait is that burst rifle?

[wraith marsh]

no

burst cannon

burst rifle is .04

[wicked solstice]

what

And i know BC has a charge up

[wraith marsh]

shot delay is the time between shots

[wicked solstice]

Why does it feel like it has a cooldown

yeah

[wraith marsh]

it does have a burst cd apparently

[wicked solstice]

I swear BC feels like it has a half second shot delay

[wraith marsh]

IN the burst

[wicked solstice]

Oh

Ic

No stat on the burst CD tho? Like it doesn’t have a number

[wraith marsh]

it does

im actually starting to think maybe the burst cd starts as soon as you fire the first shot

eh w/e, someone will read this later and know

yeah idk, the spreadsheet is unhelpful too because I can tell they just used the shot delay for burst weapon dps calcs

so its not even accurate

[pine root]

i think true knows what is up

but one is the space between shots

and one is the space between bursts

[wraith marsh]

ill ask them later ig

[wild mountain]

guys how i can host lobbu and play with bots

[rose nova]

hello! well u click the rundown u wanna play, u click the box with the level, and then u hold and click 'Host lobby'
just some advice!
be sure to do the tutorial first [Training] and start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one

[wild mountain]

the problem is i dont see host lobby

i only see matchmaking lol

[rose nova]

um
did u select the rundown and the level

??

[wild mountain]

yea

r1 d1:deeper

ahh lmfao okey

[sour girder]

im new i need a crew lol

[rose nova]

um u may not have that one unlucked if ur first startin out

[sour girder]

can i join anyone ???

[rose nova]

A1 is the first mission

[wild mountain]

ahahah i thought bottom one is the first but up one is the first xD

[rose nova]

hello! we have LFG channels to join n share lobbies!

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[rose nova]

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel
and if you are new be sure to do the tutorial first [Training] and start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one

[rose nova]

ah ksks yeah they unlock top to bottom, is no worries

good luck with ur run !

[wild mountain]

ty

[sour girder]

its full lol

most of them lol

aW MAN LOL what shhould i do

[rose nova]

um u can post ur own lobby :3

followin the rules of course

[wild mountain]

@rose nova am i need to give orders to bots and how

[sharp owl]

Press Q for command list

[rose nova]

u dont need for the most part, but if u wanna use their tool or make em follow someone else

yeah Q

[sharp owl]

Note that bots will only use and pick their tools back that's all you can tell em to do

[rose nova]

but for the rest like sneakin or attackin they do by emselves

[rose nova]

and pick up things :3
but only objective items

those come in later

so dont worry bout those

[sharp owl]

When they are not broken cuz enemies are alive or an error is going

[rose nova]

yeah :3

[gaunt inlet]

Is R2C2 hard or do I just suck? 😭

[sharp owl]

you suck

[rose nova]

hard

...

I MEAN IS HARD

[thick temple]

both

[wispy bluff]

Kinda both, I've personally participated in pub wipes

[gaunt inlet]

I actually should run it in matchmaking. I have been running with bots. Bots not smart with melee, so lots of wasted ammo. So my problem is probably that, playing with bots

[sharp owl]

took me no more than 2 tries yall need to get good

[wispy bluff]

People just dont deal with psyops of error well and the final surprise catches squads off guard

[gaunt inlet]

I saw a video of somebody soloing and it just made me sad cause my skill issue.

[wispy bluff]

Dont worry, solo people are just cracked

They are no standard

[hoary sentinel]

me and 2 friends just picked up the game, currently stuck on R1C1, any advice?

[sharp owl]

2 burst sentry 1 sniper sentry bio, carry all the big tool refills from the first zones and use em when needed, only put the code in when you have 5-10 secs left it buys you time to restock. 5 wave and onwards u get more time to prep so u can go to the earlier zones and grab resources

[pale otter]

lfg here man

most peeps are cool here

[wraith marsh]

melee it yourself

[livid gulch]

melee pablo

[balmy zinc]

looking for 2 players! fresh off the lot. First mission

[pine root]

Are you looking for new players

[balmy zinc]

yeee

[pine root]

Beginners might be the play

[balmy zinc]

what does that mean?

[thick temple]

#lfg-beginners

[pine root]

https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/714930418670895106

[analog flicker]

#lfg-beginners

[robust gull]

flesh jish when spedrun drema

[pine root]

R5e1 runs this week

Soon

[robust gull]

yes....

uhnNNN

i cannot wait for more categories

[pine root]

I just can’t believe some of our classification when it comes to bugs tbh

[trim sail]

R5E1 speedrun, hammer only

[wraith marsh]

gtfo pro r5e1 hammer only

[pine root]

Oo

Could be fun

[trim sail]

can't wait to see you guys try to hammer the tank

[pine root]

I hate to tell you this

We have practiced this

[trim sail]

sorry boss

my apologies

[wraith marsh]

need to find an optimized layout for meleeing tanks

[pine root]

It is how we learned abou half resting

[wraith marsh]

a spot where they stand really close to a corner when aggroed on someone

so we just fuck the mf up without waiting for scream

safely*

[pine root]

You just have to bait melee theb he can’t tounge

[wraith marsh]

as host

lul

[trim sail]

i did try to do something like

let 2 people just try to be in the tank vision

but he's about to tounge

just hide

and the other 2 can hammer it

[pine root]

I like it

[burnt flume]

r5e1 surge hammer only sounds miserable

rest of the level probably cool

[trim sail]

and the result was we died in 5 seconds

LOL

[pine root]

C foam

Is a strong tool

[wraith marsh]

the first surge is normally done before enemies really get to you

[burnt flume]

ah is the tile better for cfoam

[wraith marsh]

and the last one is the same with setup

[pine root]

You finish most of the time before they hit you

The room also has a infinite kite with stam

[burnt flume]

I genuinely think I'd do bad things to myself if I forced myself to play hammer only in current version

[trim sail]

spear gang ?

[pine root]

I honest think the charger error is the worst part

[burnt flume]

yea that's if you're not doing cell skip, one of the first things that came into my head was that error

[pine root]

Everything else seems fairly reasonable

[pine root]

Two moms is pretty crazy without guns to half pull

[burnt flume]

with cell skip I guess you try do speedrun strat and avoid pulling 1st big zone

[night roost]

hel auto pistol + hel rifle gives me ultrakill flashbacks

[burnt flume]

although I can't remember if in the old speedruns they partial pulled

[pine root]

If I am allowed to shoot to pull rooms idk if it is that bad

[pine root]

They did

To clear the way

Everything but first mom

Tbh I think there might be play when you have e key to pull a mom

Then instant hill the mom on the way in next time

Gives us so much space for charger

[trim sail]

i'm still wonder how you guys are going to manage to kill chargers with hammers only

[wraith marsh]

same as everything else

circle

[trim sail]

you can actually dodge ?

[pine root]

You hit it twice but we are on speed stuff right now

[pine root]

Yeah????

It is the exact same as striker just they are faster

[trim sail]

ok

[pine root]

And have a bit more range

[robust gull]

spear gaming

[proven steppe]

How do you kill charger scout

[robust gull]

solo scouts? either double melee with a friend or blast them with a charger scout friendly gun like choke mod

30 damage+ in the back for a gun with 1 shot

for multiple scouts in a room? either cfoam for safe takedowns, or double melee

[proven steppe]

Do they get stagger from my first melee?

Or it’s like normal scout where there’s literally no interval and just go screaming

[sharp owl]

no they go immune almost right away after taking damage

[pine root]

you would be surpised

[wraith marsh]

its somewhere around .5 second 👍

[sharp owl]

more or less?

[sharp owl]

thats not a lot of time

[wraith marsh]

its more than youd expect tbh

[pine root]

it is enough time that if you watch your bud that isn't host hit you can hit in reaction to that hit and still get it

[sharp owl]

ive never killed a c scout with another player

[robust gull]

i rarely do it. as a last resort. i do NOT trust this game, and if i did, i don't trust others and the connection

[pine root]

Yeah I know dw it is not the crazist thing in the world

[robust gull]

but it rarely matters. only place where a charger scout is life or death is r7e1 off the top of my head

@pine root correct me if im wrong

[pine root]

sounds about right

[sharp owl]

Cfoam or mine killing for me then 😔

[robust gull]

most people just blast it with a choke mod or sniper to the back tbh

legit dont stress it bro

[sharp owl]

I usually never take those 2 and when I find 2 c scout in the same zone I'll either hope one of em decides to walk into the other room or mine 1 let the other trigger

I also tried to do 2 sniper sentries in one spot to see if they both can shoot at the same time
Only 1 picked up and

[proven steppe]

Still how the fuck you deal with C scout silently

Or it’s really a good fuckin luck and clean the room for 12 spawns

2 players are hard because we nub

[modern coral]

C-foam, duo melee w/ Hammer or Spear.

[rough robin]

hard drugs

the funny yellow syringe

[proven steppe]

IIX syringe?

[rough robin]

yes

[proven steppe]

But R5B1 overload doesn’t have any

[pine root]

Shoot that one

[wicked solstice]

Yeah shoot it

[sharp owl]

Shoot the c scout that has 4 giant chargers sleeping with it

[robust gull]

yes

then you shoot the chargers

[proven steppe]

It’s not that bad but it is pretty bad cuz the reactor wave are bad

And need to conserve ammo

We got giga dumpster even funnelling

[sharp owl]

There plenty of ammo in ovl and in zone 99

Hel weapons gon rock

[proven steppe]

I tried Hel revolver but still not sure am I penetrating multiple enemy

Or just go head

And fuck it’s full reload without cancelling

[sharp owl]

If you do hit multiple enemies you will get multiple hit markers

[proven steppe]

It’s so fuckin long for 6

[sharp owl]

Idk bout you but reloading a revolver is not fast

[craggy jolt]

Depends how experienced you are, not saying I am with revolvers but I’ve seen some people load ‘em fast as lightning without a speed loader.

[rose nova]

the mastaba reload can b canceled like so stupidly soon

[proven steppe]

I just hope one day they make striker work like swarm

Coming from all directions instead of funnel

On the wall and the roof

[jade iron]

hel revo clip is 8

[trim sail]

i think he's talking about the Revolver

[jade iron]

I tried Hel revolver but still not sure am I penetrating multiple enemy

[rose nova]

the hel revo doesn't have 6 in mag

it has 8

[jade iron]

hel revo is probably not worth it if you don't consistently cancel

way too much downtime for a main

a cracked main, but a main nonetheless

[jade iron]

as I said before, you should default to treating it basically like dmr

and getting pen value when it presents itself

unless you really need to make a big cleanup happen, in which case it could make sense to go out of your way to lure a horde through some territory that'll bunch them up

even baiting them around a corner can bunch them up a little

[trim sail]

i find the combination of hel revolver + hel shotgun is very good for crowd control, reactor also

[rose nova]

the idea of the hel shottie in reactors, idk is so weird
i always think of r1c1 and the range of it just

idk

i mean the only like, other two reactors i've done is r4d1 i think it was, and r3a3

and in both of those it still doesn't fit KRMSKDMS

[trim sail]

what i did test with the combination was, hel revolver shoot enemies at medium range, hel shotgun deals with close range

and since the enemies are already affteced by hel revolver fire, hel shotgun can easily clear them all with few shots

it's like, you headshot 1 sleeper with hel revolver but it has not died yet, so hel revolver pellets can actually make use of that and kill more enemies.

[rose nova]

i mean i get the theory but i why a hel shottie and not an automatic like a pdw
the hel shottie is gonna miss it's hel factor when u start shootin individuals and it's gonna loose it's crowd control factor when u just pick ur shots

if it was combat shottie i would get it, but hel shottie?

also the reload takes like 70 ages so that's another factor too

[trim sail]

kinda hard to explain it, but that's what i usually do. Including the fact i did use reload cancel

stay near the hel shotgun guy

it works really well for me

by staying near to other teammate, you can line them up

so hel revolver can make use of its penetration ability

pdw for me, is not a really good gun, I'd prefer smg

[vestal crystal]

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[trim sail]

i need to gtfo before he shows up and scold at me

[junior latch]

*I prefer the smg over „the smg but actually far better“

smg is the pdw at home

[trim sail]

how dare you

[charred ember]

gtfo got the whole booster system from Ultimate Custom Night

[analog flicker]

when PDW is technically speaking the best full-auto Main weapon

[knotty bobcat]

I don't think I like using any of the full auto main weapons

There was a period I used the bullpup for like, an entire rundown. since it felt really good to just beam something across the room and kill it easily
but all the other downsides made me stop using it fast

[rose nova]

i mean if u used it for one rundown u didnt stopped usin it fast

[knotty bobcat]

Fair

More so I just, stopped using it entirely and never touched it after

[rose nova]

yeah
idk i like the machineguns a lot the smg the pdw the assault rifle
but bullpup is the one gun i barely even see

i hate it

[jade iron]

well aside from most of the autos being in a rough spot in current balance, imo semis are better for improving on anyway

semis are more deliberate, it's easier to learn what your shots do and how much firepower is sufficient to kill

[misty nacelle]

how do we feel about the pistol

[rose nova]

is ok

very nice

fast kills

[knotty bobcat]

My main guns are Pistol, Hel revolver, Rifle, Burst rifle.
Specials are All shotguns, Revolver, Arbalist machine gun, Sniper rifle, Hel rifle

[rose nova]

nice stagger

[misty nacelle]

i like the ammo economoy

[rose nova]

yeah 2 bullets smol dead, and theres like 160 bullets

[leaden beacon]

I've been running HEL Shotgun + Machine Gun for most of the time, buddy runs HEL Shotgun + Sniper

[knotty bobcat]

I quite like that all the specials (except HAR) feel like they're equally strong to one another
The main ones vary alot though

[jade iron]

main issues are its poor range and that it's overshadowed by rifle, which is like pistol with somewhat worse ammo but way more range

[rose nova]

and less dmg

i think

?

[jade iron]

yes

[rose nova]

yeah

[misty nacelle]

idk why but i hated the rifle just felt like a worse dmr

[rose nova]

hel shottie sniper combo scares me, the reloads must b painful

[knotty bobcat]

Rifle is 5, pistol is 4.4
but pistol has a higher dps

[rose nova]

i mean on dmg yeah but has way more ammo i think
and mag size

16 bullets

crazy

[leaden beacon]

Which is why you time it w/ ur buddy

[jade iron]

if you're purely bodyshotting or putting damage into tanky enemies like chargers or bigs, damage difference between rifle and pistol can add up

but they have the same 1head + 2body into strikers

rifle just does it from further away

[rose nova]

pistol is one one isnt it

one headshot one bodyshot

[jade iron]

no pistol is 1 + 2

[knotty bobcat]

Rifle is 1+2 so how could the pistol with less dmg per bullet be 1+1

I always find it weird that rifle is 1+2
i tend to tap fire something in the head, then follow up with a body shot and think its dead
It just feels more natural that the rifle could 2 tap, but it doesn't

[jade iron]

you could imagine precision multi, but they have the same precision multi as it happens

[rose nova]

mh

i need to test that

i could swear is one one

but again i am stupid

[pine root]

Head body body

[jade iron]

feels like a similar school of thought to "dmr should 1tap smalls"

though dmr 1tapping smalls would be a bigger cancer to balance

[rose nova]

and then it doesnt xd

[knotty bobcat]

Striker's got 20 hp
Pistol does 11.6 in the head. 4.4 body. 11.6+4.4 = 17. So no 2 tap
Rifle does 13.1 in the head. 5.08 body. 13.1+5.08 = 18.18. So no 2 tap

Quick maffs

[jade iron]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JgIVxWac3LVQvO5btULhpdlYU_Dfe2x2ZxdcQ8-Uy8I/edit#gid=1513327600

[knotty bobcat]

How a gun feels VS actual stats

[rose nova]

fak

[knotty bobcat]

The funny part is that I started making my own sheet before seeing if there exists one already

[misty nacelle]

dmr feels the best at security gates with turrets cause its like pseudo oneshots

[rose nova]

i said the same thing defendin the guns i liked lmao

'no guys i swear the smg is good'

[knotty bobcat]

Tbh.
How a gun feels will sway your opinion way more than the stats or performance

People keep telling me the Burst cannon is an absolute monster

but I genuinely would rather use my Sledge than the burst cannon in combat. It's so clunky I hate it

[rose nova]

no ones sayin that anymore

after the nerf

nope

[knotty bobcat]

Well I did watch like, older videos so

19 dmg feelsbadman

[misty nacelle]

wait they nerfed smg?

[jade iron]

pdw is smg but with better dps, faster reload, better hipfire, and for some reason you also get a nifty thermal scope
(edit: oh also more ammo in dmg/refill terms)

[rose nova]

no they nerfed burst cannon

[misty nacelle]

O

[rose nova]

smg they like, buffed the reload 0.2 seconds

last time at least

[rose nova]

yeah it was bonkers

but not anymores

still very usable

but i guess im the only one that takes it regularly now kmsdk

[jade iron]

smg just got crept out by buffs on other mains

carbine and smg used to be pretty comparable, then 10cc lost their minds with carbine buffs

[misty nacelle]

yea i think i missed alot of patches im remember smg being top tier

[rose nova]

i just use the smg cause it feels ok but i can admit is not

good

[knotty bobcat]

Carbine doesnt feel like a burst

it shoots so fast Its nearly an auto

[misty nacelle]

i hate carbine cause i cant track well enough for all the shots to land

always miss like the last couple of shots

[rose nova]

i just used carbine too much for a specific mission

and i cant look at it in the eyes anymore

also the design sucks ass

[misty nacelle]

do you guys like the assualt rifle, i find the recoil to be annoying to manage at long range

[knotty bobcat]

Nop

[misty nacelle]

heavy assault rifle is even hard to control

[trim sail]

honestly i don't know much about the stats. The reason i said that was because smg give me much better feeling overall in terms of recoil, handling and scope

damage does not seem to be a huge factor for me in comparison of these 2 guns. I feel like they are the same

[jade iron]

poor dps is its main downfall

[misty nacelle]

that feels like that shouldnt be a thing considering its an assault rifle

[rose nova]

i think its very nice for like medium ranges

like one of the more consistent

pdw short range machinep too smg... but assault rifle on longer distances is not bad

[knotty bobcat]

I love the smg
I love getting like 10 hitmarkers on 1 single striker

[jade iron]

yeah it's weird, it gets some of the worst ttk's of any of the mains

[livid gulch]

assault rile? more like ass rifle

[misty nacelle]

ass rile

[rose nova]

the boikisser has talked

i guess

[jade iron]

it's okay to have your reasons for liking a weak gun, but the rift in damage output between the two guns is very real and definitely means pdw gets more done than smg in competent hands

[jade iron]

HAR used to be very smooth and easy to control in r6, then 10cc gave it a nasty recoil in r7 probably because it was being overused and veruta was being neglected (they also buffed veruta into the ceiling), then they mostly removed the nasty recoil and gave HAR a fire rate buff in a more recent rebalance

I think after the buff HAR is underrated

[knotty bobcat]

If you perform better with the smg than the pdw, stick to the smg
It'd be stupid to swap to a different gun just because the gun is better when you now perform overall worse

[trim sail]

HAR is like big step brother to the original AR

hit me hard, get the reward

but i still think it should be placed in the Primary category

[jade iron]

disagree, it can absolutely be worth setting out to learn to maximize a better loadout even if you lose impact when you start out with it

whether that's what you want to do is a you thing

[trim sail]

i kinda agree on this point

[rose nova]

is funny cause people were askin for heavysmg to b in special slot, like how har swapped from main to special

[humble canyon]

special do need a auto weapon what can shoots right away tho

[rose nova]

but it was a joke or idk anymore

[clever axle]

not many players on at this time eh?

[rose nova]

its 1 am on a tuesday

yeah

and like 7 am on europe

[humble canyon]

2:45 PM for me

[rose nova]

wtf

[clever axle]

i mean, im on at that time tho lol

[eager verge]

8:45am

[rose nova]

well idk i see, enough people on the lfg

not crazy but

eh

[trim sail]

the majority of players in this game comes from NA, so there's not much to expect atm

[rose nova]

close enough, welcome to the server btw

[trim sail]

sleeping beauties...

[jade iron]

I think HAR works well in special (and it's *way * too good to be reslotted in main without rebalancing), it just doesn't look as well-rounded next to the MGs or hel gun which can be pointed at basically all things without concern for ammo efficiency

[humble canyon]

well, asia

[rose nova]

ah fairs

[trim sail]

yeah. I don't think many people realize the potential of the HAR. But i do think there's so rare scenarios where HAR actually shine the most.

[knotty bobcat]

On another topic
R7C3 has been the most difficult thing I've ever attempted in video games in a long time

[trim sail]

crowd control ? Machine gun is your friend

Big ass enemies ? Hel rifle baby

[rose nova]

yeah
yeah

same

we sufferin together yayyyyy

[trim sail]

the HAR seems to be ... too well-rounded

[jade iron]

nah, you got this

[humble canyon]

bruh R7C3 is basic

[rose nova]

basic?

[knotty bobcat]

me and my duo spent like 5 hours on it and barely got to the armory before getting wiped.
(not 5 hours in 1 mission, in total)

[rose nova]

ah

[humble canyon]

stealth killing giants*

[rose nova]

i mean the rest isnt super easy either

the uplink sure the armory the rest fuck me

not countin PE

[jade iron]

maybe just focus on learning to duo melee bigs

[rose nova]

:]

also yeah 5 hours seems

very

much time

[trim sail]

ngl, this is the first time i see someone saying r7c3 is hard

[knotty bobcat]

We are

[rose nova]

ah

i just read the addendum xd

[jade iron]

honestly once you can do it, it just becomes monotonous

[rose nova]

u must b new here hi

[trim sail]

hi there

[jade iron]

just have one person start by breaking a limb (preferably back of head), then have the other person break a limb a second or two later while the first person charges, repeat

[rose nova]

ok now fr ksdmkm
every newie says c3 is hard, but in general idk ive seen people say is harder than d1 d2

with PE

w/o PE is harder than idk c2

i guess

[jade iron]

when you're better you'll be actually able to solo bigs no problem

well problem: they scream

[rose nova]

a

[humble canyon]

cmon R7C2 is lot harder for new/newer player

funny fog goes up and down

[knotty bobcat]

If it was just a room with 1 giant it'd be extemely easy
but there's multiple giants
Stacked ontop of eachother
with charger scouts roaming around

[rose nova]

use uf foam

u got 1000 mines of it

foam a big kill the not foamed

then go for the foamed one

[jade iron]

new players are just made to fear bigs, and newbie strats for meleeing bigs don't help

[rose nova]

i mean yeah but still is hard

[knotty bobcat]

I don't fear bigs unless there's like, 3+ of them with a group of smalls.
I can solo a big with my sledge consistently

[rose nova]

the second part i guess its a bit more rng

to see what funky

combos of enemies u got

[eager verge]

solo play it's so hard dud XD

[jade iron]

probably when you start seeing these sort of clusters you should be reaching for the foam products, as others are saying

[rose nova]

yeah
with bots, manageable but still harder

completely solo is funk

[eager verge]

you can it one but no two on the same time

[jade iron]

like you'll get good enough to where you can move around a room better and deal with those clusters without foam or whatever

[eager verge]

hit*

[rose nova]

if ur fast enough u can

its just hard

at least the first times around

then u kinda start gettin the feel

[trim sail]

simply saying, mindset ?

[rose nova]

determination

i use bat for double kills

if i dont kill

i stagger

but well i should practice with hammer

[eager verge]

i finish one level but with some friends XD

[rose nova]

i believe in u
u got this
...
no ok u should do some runs with bots

they r useful for goin alone

a lot better than solo for sure

[eager verge]

for tagging ? i ear this

[rose nova]

i mean
for general
bots shoot fine, they sneak fine, they grab resources fine

they prettty fine

[eager verge]

fine i guess

[rose nova]

yeah :]
useful enoughs

i like my bots

[knotty bobcat]

I love it when my bot decides to just randomly fucking sprint across the room to hammer a lock on some box

[rose nova]

yeah

thats nice

i like em unlockin stuff

[eager verge]

but that was fun when bot touch monstersXDDD

[rose nova]

well they cant wake em up so they can hug em all they want lmao

[proven steppe]

Actually just ignore the room spawn

Play sneaky peaky

Not every room need to be clean so ya

[rose nova]

i like bonkin enemies

[proven steppe]

Until giant bonk your 80 hp away

[rose nova]

not if i kill em with mah bots

[knotty bobcat]

Me about to bonk a giant to stealth kill it
Hackett pulling out his Machine gun
OPEN FIRE
BRRRRRRRRRR

[junior latch]

you mean

Hackett cleaning up your mistake*

[sharp owl]

[grand shore]

Hello

where need write a id lobby?

[little ridge]

Nowhere, you copy it and a button will appear underneath the "matchmaking" button

[mint light]

Game has been trying to match make for so long and failed. worst matchmaker in history

[little ridge]

A lobby browser would have solved a lot of shit tbh

[cerulean folio]

WE NEED 1 MORE PLS

[mint light]

Like I understand that all those singles need a match maker. They have no chance in the real world

[proven steppe]

Tbh it would be nice that matchmaking exist in lobby but the game’s hard so open lobby probably won’t work

[surreal plaza]

the ball bulkhead door animation is so cool lol

[wispy bluff]

Very much

I hate games that don't respect heavy doors

Like warframe

Giant gates been sped up to open instantly because ADHD players cant wait

[mint light]

ADHD players need to stay in Cod

[analog flicker]

[rose nova]

for future reference, u can go to the LFG channels to ask for people

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[rose nova]

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel

[rose nova]

hey um u can report em with @foggy plank

[waxen sinew]

ok

[rose nova]

input allll the details there

[waxen sinew]

ok

[hasty hornet]

yep, please send a dm to mod contact, thanks

[rose nova]

if u can maybs evidence too

ah

woops

dammit

[waxen sinew]

ok

[rose nova]

i entered ur profile

[mint light]

kek

[rose nova]

why did nothin appear

:[

i didnt see any tags

grr

im sorry

[ivory pier]

they should speed up the bulkhead doors

[grizzled knot]

So were new to the game and enjoying it quiet a bit took us about 3 hours to complete the first level of r1 but we were feeling good about the next level, my loadout was a sawed off shotgun, the sniper with the thermal scope and the enemy scanner and for the first bit of the mission it wasnt so bad. We cleared the first room, finished the security scan and found the key to the next zone, we set up for the second scan with mines and turrets but surprisingly no horde came it was just a single squad scan. Now this next room we went into is where things went south, being the guy with the scanner and thermal i was working as our eyes and this room was extremely foggy but i only saw two enemies total a giant and a sleeper. Weve only run into a giant like twice and we now they can take a few bullets to take down so we set up a mine near it get up on a ledge for high ground and unload, easy right? Unfortunately for all of us i did not see on the scanner or thermals the rafter above us that had not 1 not 2 but 3 giants. I was the first to go down and as i was lying there all i could do was listen to my friends yelling "ambush, ambush!", listen to the shots ring out, and watch the life pools reach zero. Awesome moment honestly looking forward to playing more!

[mint light]

Enjoy

[rose nova]

very chaotic moment i bet
glad u likin the game !

[mint light]

3 hours on R1A1 O.O

[grizzled knot]

Look man were learning we failed quiet a few times

[mint light]

I know

[rose nova]

ah i thought 3 hours for one run

[mint light]

me too

[junior latch]

3 hours in 1 run would be scary

[grizzled knot]

I heard the runs get pretty long right?

[coarse grail]

nice good luck on B1 next time

Well as you get better you'll go quicker but the levels get longer too

[junior latch]

the real long missions take like 2 1/2 hours if you are blind and play it safe
usually stuff is between 60 and 90 minutes

[junior latch]

this tho

like, r1a1 is commonly a 10 min level at best (going down to less than 2 1/2 minutes if cracked)

[grizzled knot]

Any guns yall recommend? Like i said i use the sawed off and that thermal sniper right now which is pretty comfortable but dont know how they stack up compared to others.

[rose nova]

it is a funky combo

cause the precision rifles reload is pretty long

is not a sniper btw the sniper is more powerrful i guess

[coarse grail]

Sawed off is kinda a quirky main weapon. Most mains do a similar job but some are a bit better than others

[junior latch]

sawed off is niche (prob not good for new players honestly)
precision rifle is oof

[rose nova]

but yeah the sawed off, i guess if u have like many on top is very weird

idk

[coarse grail]

Carbine and hel revolver are generally the strongest mains, the specials I recommend trying all of them as they fulfil quite different roles and its good to know what they can do so you can decide when is a good time to use one

I mean try all the mains too, you might find a gun you click with in particular

[mint light]

That is the winning run time. count 10 to 20 hours of tries on the hardest missions. probably more @grizzled knot

[modern coral]

To sweat or to learn?

To learn, probably HAR or HCP in Special.

For Main, probably avoid shotguns, autopistol, and DTR.

[grizzled knot]

Ill give those a shot thanks, definitely not to sweat were just enjoying the game and creeping around while trying to survive

[wispy bluff]

Then use literally anything as long as you like it

Maybe with exception of SMG, disappointment is a common theme with that thing

[grizzled knot]

Oh btw do lock melters do anything more than my hammer?

[coarse grail]

your hammer makes noise when you break locks

[rose nova]

um is faster

[coarse grail]

lock melters do not

[wispy bluff]

They melt things quietly

[grizzled knot]

Ah sound ok

[rose nova]

they can also melt those hackin ones

[wispy bluff]

Also bypasses hacker locks

[rose nova]

hah >:3

said it before

[mint light]

They also faster if you got a horde behind you

[wispy bluff]

Saves you 5 seconds

[jade iron]

imo a well-rounded trio of specials to learn starting out is heavy assault rifle, pump shotgun, and choke mod shotgun

[grizzled knot]

Kinda concerning weve only broken locks after weve cleared a room usually. Is it ever better just to sneak through without alerting anything? Or is it possible things seem to catch us pretty quickly

[coarse grail]

It is usually best to clear out the rooms you are in but there are some situations where stealth is better

[junior latch]

i dont think theres a single level where you can avoid combat

but you dont always have to clear all rooms

[jade iron]

there are situations where the game creates time pressure, where you'll value melters highly

[modern coral]

There will also be harder stealth sections where it's not as trivial to kill everything.

[jade iron]

in general they're definitely an item that becomes more highly valued as you get better at the game

[grizzled knot]

Ok thats good to know, are there more enemies than the sleepers, giants and the dude with tentacles coming out of his head

[jade iron]

one or two

[junior latch]

dozen

[jade iron]

[rose nova]

eh just like 2 more

[wispy bluff]

A couple, but you wont meet them soon

[rose nova]

dont worry about em

[grizzled knot]

That emote is starting to scare me

[jade iron]

in terms of mains, ones that are strong but also accessible would likely be carbine, pdw, pistol, and maybe rifle and burst rifle

[mint light]

You won't always have a choice in the matter.

[jade iron]

hel revolver and dmr are also great but have a bit of a skill barrier

[junior latch]

pistol feels weird for beginners since r6 due to range

[wispy bluff]

Also a dirty ass scope

[junior latch]

but it fits beginners very well

[jade iron]

the other mains are either niche (hel shotgun, sawnoff, machine pistol, arguably hel autopistol) or just bad

[junior latch]

otherwise

you could say AR is probably a good beginner gun too

tho its definetly the weakest

[jade iron]

ehh, AR feels like a victim of mega power creep at this point

[modern coral]

AR and Pistol are roughly on-par imo.

[jade iron]

imo pistol >> AR

[junior latch]

pistol has higher ceiling in its range

[wispy bluff]

Cant get more basic than a proverbial M16

[modern coral]

Pistol is strictly stronger, but it has more prevalent weaknesses.

[jade iron]

like, recommend AR in r5 and I can go along with it

recommend it now and I wonder where it was when carbine was getting its 5th buff

[modern coral]

You act like most weapons aren't basically the same.

[junior latch]

put any of the top 3 next to any that isnt top half and youll see massive differences

[wispy bluff]

There are 2 different convos to be had there

[modern coral]

Pistol is nerfed, DMR is the same, HEL Revo is nerfed from R4 but wasn't in R5...

PDW is a power-crept auto, but not in an unreasonable position.

BR is slightly buffed.

[jade iron]

oh you mean AR wasn't buffed but pistol wasn't either?

or you're actually saying that in an absolute sense, right now, the mains are about level with one another?

[junior latch]

AR was buffed from r5 to r6

actually

[jade iron]

true, I forgot they did a pass on basically all the autos

[modern coral]

I mean that AR is not very good, but it's always not been very good. It was an okay comfort pick in R5 and R6, so it should remain so for R7-AltR5

I'm mostly responding to the power creep point, since I think it's not really a factor for the majority of Main weapons.

It's basically just HEL Shotgun and Carbine pushing the envelope.

[jade iron]

eh, a number of the mains did get help as they were reintroduced

[modern coral]

And then PDW and Rifle are reinforcing those standards.

[jade iron]

BR and machine pistol off the top of my head

[modern coral]

Those don't stand out to me as power creep.

[jade iron]

like they didn't get buffed to the top of the pack

[junior latch]

BR arguably could be (as it was fine already) but the buff wasnt insane

machine pp sucked ass

[modern coral]

MP especially is still quite bad, with basically all of its old weaknesses.

[jade iron]

but they did make AR's situation stand out more imo

I could see reason in someone bringing current balance MP into a level

like they're giving up a lot

but it can have a purpose, especially now that the buff allows it to kill

[rose nova]

now yall r givin me vibes to play gtfo with assault riflr

[jade iron]

I just realized you probably meant "the same as before", rather than "the same as one another"

[jade iron]

I'm also not saying the buffs are insane

I'm not a "the guns are all OP now" hater

at least not with the mains

I think the power among specials is more evenly spread but the waveclear guns have settled in a more powerful place than I like, but we've had that conversation

[modern coral]

I think that PDW is really the only clear power creep that matters to AR, and it matters for AR because it shows how garbage every other automatic Main is.
...but for new players, I think it's fair to have at least one alternative to the PDW, given the thermal scope and rather aggressive recoil.

[jade iron]

I guess that's a fair take

[knotty bobcat]

What are the Top 5 guns for Mains and Top 5 for specials?

[jade iron]

though the strong hipfire on pdw does a great job of allowing you to "toggle" the thermal imo

[modern coral]

AR is simply the best option since it doesn't fall egregiously short in any particular stat.

[jade iron]

um, dps