gtfo-chat

[jade iron]

no, you fuck up and it's hinoki simulator for a few mins before you get revives on teammates

[sharp siren]

I would say d2

They just bombard you with a lot more

[pine root]

yeah idk d2 has some ways you can play it that make it just harder

[sharp siren]

And if you unprepared then you will perish

[pine root]

if you know how to make d2 easy and how to not get punishment waves it is probs fine

[sharp siren]

Full clear d2 its peak gtfo gameplay

[jade iron]

I'll have to think about that one

[normal lake]

yeah i made the mistake of not reading the fucking terminals and got punished for it but after reading it beat the level first try

[pine root]

i mean bridge hold plus punishment wave.

[normal lake]

beat it before c3

[sharp siren]

Thsts where enemy variety shows whos boss

[pine root]

charger spawn inside is just not fun

[normal lake]

had significantly less issues with d2 than c3 but its just my personal experience

[pine root]

tbh that doesnt mean to muchdid you lfg it

[normal lake]

they are both badass levels tho

[sharp siren]

Nah me and the boys when into the tank side room

[normal lake]

no i played it with the same people i beat every level with

[sharp siren]

So much shit

[normal lake]

we where a man down when we did d2 aswell

[pine root]

no i mean if you hold before the first blood door

you can start a charger giant surge

if charger is open

there is a enter room even that forces two charger giants spawns

and this event is broken

[sharp siren]

That i did not know lmao

[pine root]

it is meant for the end of the level

but it just doesnt work

[sharp siren]

10cc giving us options

[pine root]

happens with shadow giants as well

[sharp siren]

So nice of them

[pine root]

just it is hard to notice

[normal lake]

reminds me i told my friend "Do not go up these stairs and shoot you will wake up the father who is asleep" which was followed predictably while i was grabbing the fucking cell by him screaming because he got snuck up on by the father he woke up

fuckin funny as hell

[sharp siren]

Its those moments that make gaming worthwhile

[normal lake]

was just a run we did for fun so wasnt a big deal but man it was still to fuckin funny

i wish i recorded my screen back then

honestly im not sure if i prefer invis or chargers in d2

charger giants are fuckin brutal

[jade iron]

shadows are less rough for sure

[normal lake]

harder to stealth the shadow area than charger area but shadows are easier to manage in the waves

both have advantages

[jade iron]

I think I've had a duo with chargers up to mainframe, but most attempts that got there were shadows

[normal lake]

my first 3 attempts at the level i thought that you where not told where the code was so you just had to guess the right door

then i read the text on the center terminal

felt like a dumbass afterwards

[jade iron]

it's just easier for chargers to capitalize when they overwhelm your capacity to hold wave

[normal lake]

yeah a charger giant can wipe a team in a blink of an eye if it gets to close

and invis giants are to slow to be major threats as long as you notice they are there

[jade iron]

whereas you can make space if holding the shadows becomes too much

shadow giants aren't slouches

they're definitely quicker than shadow smalls

[normal lake]

yeah ive had my entire team wiped by a single shadow giant before

they are not a joke

just a hell of a lot easier to handle than a charger giant

[jade iron]

but it's obv. far easier to create space against them vs against charger giants

[normal lake]

i remember playing c3 secondary me and my friend no bots, he accidentally walked into a invis giant and got murked by it

had to melee 2 invis giants at once alone

might aswell be impossible to land hits where you want to on them

[jade iron]

yeah there's jank in meleeing shadow giants for sure

well, more so the crouching ones

their animations are basically borrowed from hybrids

[normal lake]

we eventually just decided that it wasnt worth meleeing the shadow giants and just cfoamed all of them if we had to kill them

[jade iron]

they're also faster to attack

[normal lake]

cfoaming them and then killing them

i would have never known

thats interesting tho

[jade iron]

like, instructions for soloing regular giant:

1. charge melee
2. hit
3. repeat 1 and 2

[normal lake]

your missing a step

between 2 and 3

[jade iron]

you'll always stagger them out of any tongue attack they try to do because they're too slow

[normal lake]

gotta pray to desync gods

[jade iron]

whereas shadow giants can tongue you between regular stagger and a hammer charge

[normal lake]

honestly even today i still cant consistently solo melee giants and hybrids without waking up rooms

[normal lake]

good to know

i legit would have never known since i avoid meleeing invis giants at all cost

[jade iron]

throw in uncertainty about enemy location and crouching giant jank and you have an enemy that I'd, uh, prefer not to solo hammer

[normal lake]

still waiting for crawling regular giants

[jade iron]

I believe the modders have done that one

[normal lake]

i dont like even shooting them without thermal or bio

[jade iron]

ehh, shooting them is fine

duo hammering them is mostly fine even

do enough r2e1 duo attempts and it just becomes monotonous

[normal lake]

atleast im willing to melee them tho

i refuse to melee charger giants

[jade iron]

lol, give it a try

it's honestly not that bad

hammer kinda busted

[normal lake]

without 3 people its to risky

rather just shoot em down

[jade iron]

again, give it a try

[normal lake]

tried it several times in r7c2ovl

failed every single time

land that first hit and before i get the second one out im dead kek

is there a video online i never could find one

[jade iron]

there's some spacing to be respected I guess

I don't have a video, I'll have to see if there's a convenient level to find one in

[normal lake]

can do every other non boss tier sleeper

but charger giants those bastards are something in there own class

honestly would rather melee a tank than one of them if presented the option

[glossy rock]

💀

cough

[livid gulch]

me when your dad

[normal lake]

silence furball

[livid gulch]

you probably main spear

[normal lake]

my spear is 3 inches long baby

[elfin osprey]

my hammer is so long that i can bonk half a block away

[misty nacelle]

why do some guns feel awful to ADS with

feels slugish

[elfin osprey]

which gun?

[misty nacelle]

most guns with a decent level of zoom scope

doesnt feel as snappy

[livid gulch]

you don't feel as snappy

[elfin osprey]

its realistic

do you really want a gun to just instant ads ?

[normal lake]

a scope in gtfo at all is goofy realism wise

good ol red dot

[misty nacelle]

tracking feels odd on those guns too like rifle and like dmr

[normal lake]

used one irl and that shits crazy accurate

[livid gulch]

a gtfo gun? damn

[jade iron]

more channel necromancy! I don't think the others noted this, but getting reroutes by closing doors or parkouring over some level geometry that enemies have to route around, allows you to buy a stamina reset

[sharp siren]

One you know that the second you press ads every bullet goes where you aim you good

[jade iron]

you can also cut corners tigher than enemies will, and can stagger front-running strikers

there's also still some stamina to be saved with slide-running

wrt circle kiting, it's not as abusable or free as pre-stamina, but you can definitely do a bit of it to finish out a scan or get melee cleanups on moderate amounts of smalls

but if you need to last-man against a large amount of enemies that you can't just shoot then running circles probably isn't going to do it

last act of necromancy for today: tbh I don't understand why you think the meta is boring

I get that any hard game is going to have intermediate players complaining that there's a meta

but iuno, I think gtfo's "meta" consists of more than half of the specials

[dry lion]

meta is boring because doing the same thing every time is boring

[jade iron]

and though I think the gulf between "meta" mains and the rest is pretty bad, at least the more fun mains are mostly at the top

it could've instead been a bunch of boring autos like AR and SMG at the top, that'd be way less fun imo

[jade iron]

at least for specials it's not really same thing every time, because it's genuinely different guns for different roles

[livid gulch]

only use meta weapons

anything else and you fail

[dry lion]

fair, i personally don’t know what is meta, I just use things I like

[jade iron]

I use things that get clears

afaik that's all that meta really is

and if you always have infinite freedom to bring whatever you like without having to think about what's going to get you the clear, then that sounds boring

[normal lake]

guns dont really have a meta

hammer do be meta tho

[dry lion]

yeah I choose based on what’s in that expedition, maybe I am playing meta on some unconscious level

[jade iron]

well playing meta probably involves picking based on knowledge the community has come up with as well

[normal lake]

a few guns are awful but basically none are good enough to be meta

[jade iron]

you could get a lot of agreement among experienced players around here about which guns are going to be most effective at which roles

[normal lake]

ofc

[jade iron]

"meta" doesn't have to mean exactly one gun at the top of the heap

[normal lake]

some weapons are better at some things but nothin is good enough to be meta

[jade iron]

like, slendi might be mad that everyone's bringing hel revo/carbine in main, or hel gun/veruta/combat shotgun in special

that's a meta

meta doesn't mean that there's a clear top gun that gets picked over everything

[lofty grotto]

True

[jade iron]

just means a community has come to a rough consensus about how strong the available options are in comparison to one another

[lofty grotto]

Everyone has their own preference towards weapon types

[normal lake]

as i see it they are popular not meta

other weapons are as effective or nearly so

[livid gulch]

I told you guys

[normal lake]

meta imo is big enough its not just subjective taste

you are objectively better off w/ hammer

[jade iron]

as in, some other weapons (e.g. you're not going raise eyebrows for not bringing veruta if you bring hel gun), or all other weapons (e.g. precision rifle is completely fine)?

[normal lake]

in basically all aspects

[normal lake]

#gtfo-chat message

[jade iron]

I'd say that the rift between hel gun and precision rifle is somewhat wider than that between hammer and spear

[ornate jewel]

Guys, hello!
Who want do R1B2?

[normal lake]

#gtfo-chat message

[jade iron]

hm, I reject your "three guns are the best, therefore too many guns are the best for there to be a meta" take

I just think you're using the word "meta" wrong

like maybe you've been around communities for games where one option singularly dominated, and people were always saying "<option> is META", and that poisoned what you think a meta is

[normal lake]

meta doesn't even apply

[jade iron]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

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[normal lake]

there needs to be strategic reasoning that makes one or two guns always better

they just aint

[proven steppe]

The game is just too hard to make anything else viable

[normal lake]

guns are well balanced generally with a few edge cases

[jade iron]

the most well-balanced games still have a meta

like, I've seen fighting games that had pretty flat tier lists, but those tier lists and things like community knowledge of matchups still constituted a meta

[normal lake]

if you wanna call a quarter of guns meta be my guest

slightly higher pick percentage does not justify it

[jade iron]

I don't know, if someone came in here and called heavy assault rifle "decent, but off-meta", I'd think that's about right

[normal lake]

hel rev is closest to "meta"

and it barely is

has skill requirements that make it bad as a meta

[jade iron]

okay I definitely disagree with that

meta largely defies skill issue

[normal lake]

takes significantly less skill to run carbine then hel rev

[sharp siren]

Carabine its the only no skill meta gun in this game

Literally

I wouldnt put hel revo as meta anymore

Its strong but i would take other primaries imho

[mint light]

You losing it affirmative_action_student_dragon

[normal lake]

carbine ammo nerf makes other guns very viable aswell

[sharp siren]

I havent use hel revo in years now

[normal lake]

not the only pick anymore

[sharp siren]

My man that 36 bullet they remove from it didnt do jackshit

[mint light]

your high on your bath salts m8. Carbine is stupid OP

[normal lake]

is good but other guns are viable

[mint light]

That was always the case. Carbine is just objectively better

At that point it's between choosing meta or anti-meta

All guns being viable does not mean there is no meta

[normal lake]

its not big enough gap for me to consider it meta

[mint light]

that is a you problem.

[normal lake]

cope ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mint light]

Just like the I hate reactors to death

[normal lake]

pov reddit mod sees opinion

[mint light]

I mean yes, I guess it's the only thing thats left for you as the community will keep it's meta.

[mint light]

Exactly deleted without afterthought

shunned into the woods

[normal lake]

if such a minor gap is meta this is most balanced game ever released

[livid gulch]

it's more balanced than other games out there

and that killed chat

amazing

[jade iron]

what, between carbine and a mid-tier main?

[livid gulch]

maybe GTFO vets are when you become so jaded

[sharp siren]

Automatic weapons are pretty much poopoo

Theres still a lot more rebalancong to do

I wouldnt say things are balance per say

Better yeah, balance not really

[jade iron]

carbine shits on AR, SMG and bullpup

[sharp siren]

Cant wait for sniper to have 21 in reserve in re release r6

[junior latch]

Other things being viable doesnt mean theres not a meta

League has a meta where over 30 out of 150 things can be meta easily. Still, basically all champs are viable

[livid gulch]

oh no can we get a buff to Carbine in Alt R6

[normal lake]

people never learn despite me sayin dozens of times

[sharp siren]

People sleep on burst rifle

Its basically long range carabine

[junior latch]

theres 4 guns id consider taking instead of carbine

Dmr (shooter 1 tap and insane range)
Pdw (thermal + good enough stats)
Hel revo (pen and mix of great stats)
Hel shotgun (pen + bonkers stat but ass range)

yes its roughly 33% of all mains. But thats still a meta

[sharp siren]

Saw off

[jade iron]

it has enough dps to contend with the mg's, but alas it falls far behind in damage/mag

[junior latch]

Far less dps, slower reload. Less forgiving tho

[jade iron]

mag size 48 -> 80 I say

[livid gulch]

might make up for it's slow reload

[sharp siren]

Still pretty on par

Imo

[junior latch]

Carbine is easy S tier

Burst rifle is low A high B

[sharp siren]

One does like what 8 damage the other does 9 total per burst?

[junior latch]

theres a rift

[sharp siren]

Summoners rift?

League of legends

[junior latch]

burst rifle is good, carbine is great

[junior latch]

Void rift

runeterra

:^ )

[normal lake]

i dont see that as a meta, games not competitive so higher percentage of weapons isnt justified by direct counters to the meta

[junior latch]

Thats a you issue lol

A meta doesnt care about pvp

theres a dark souls pve meta

[normal lake]

it really does

[junior latch]

no. Meta is more common in pvp

but it doesnt care about it

if theres different levels to equipment etc etc

[normal lake]

missing the point

[junior latch]

hollow knight has a meta

and in that meta roughly 30% of all charms are included

thats a single player game

[normal lake]

discord actin funky

[jade iron]

you're just forcing a constraint on what "meta" means that strips it of a lot of usefulness, imo

[normal lake]

kek its a word with a definition

[junior latch]

Ye

anyhow. You said before that the gap between carbine and most other mains isnt noticeable

[normal lake]

im being as open to reason as i can

[junior latch]

of that id say

either you dont see the gap cuz you dont switch around enough

or its a skill issue of not being good enough to abuse it

[normal lake]

nah its there it just doest make other options completely invalid

different use cases

[junior latch]

carbine might have an insanely high starting point. But its insane if you are cracked at it (see hani for example)

[jade iron]

"this game's balance is so bad that it has a meta" is not a phrase that'd make much sense to me

there isn't such a pronounced range of different use cases among mains

[normal lake]

nah discord wiggin out ill talk next time

Was fun debating a word urban dictionary dont have a definition for

But i aint dealing with discord cutting connection every 3 minutes

Want to continue arguing just say something and reread one of my old messages should suffice

[junior latch]

again
Both league (pvp multiplayer)
and hollow knight (single player pve)

Have a wide variety of meta stuff. Both dont invalidate the other options

[signal plaza]

there’s no way carbine qualifies as hard to use right?

I don’t actually know what this conversation is about btw

[junior latch]

high starting point as in „start out and its good already“

[signal plaza]

oh yeah

definitely

[junior latch]

theres a pretty high peak tho

[signal plaza]

I thought you meant high starting point as in skill floor

eh I just spam carbine or hel shotgun

basically the only mains I use

sometimes rifle

[junior latch]

issue with low/high skill floor is that it is often understood in different ways

[sharp siren]

I give my SO carabine and arbalist

You literally cannot go wring

[junior latch]

High skill floor = hard to pick up and be fine with
High skill floor = easy to pick up and be fine with

SO?

[sharp siren]

Significant other

[junior latch]

Significant other?
Science operator?

[signal plaza]

imo skill floor is how good you have to be to make it work/get started and skill ceiling is how much skill is needed to optimise it

[junior latch]

damn wanted to keep going

[sharp siren]

Yea i give the science operator carabine

[signal plaza]

that’s a pretty cool valentines day present ngl

[sharp siren]

[vestal crystal]

is your SO a bot....

thats what you tell people to give the bots...

[sharp siren]

Yes

[vestal crystal]

❤️ 🤖

[signal plaza]

bishop is my SO

[sharp siren]

Plin plin plin plin

[signal plaza]

uhhh the first one if you ask me

but the terms did get shuffled a bit over the years

[sharp siren]

Heavysmg meta

Super viable weapon

No regrets

[junior latch]

Oof

[signal plaza]

heavy smg is an oof chief

I wish it was better

[proven steppe]

Why was Revolver a meta weapon, I can’t make it over penetrating consistently and it have a weak clearing power

Or was it just a skill issue

[signal plaza]

revolver used to one tap back in R4

also lining up is something you’ll have to actively do

[proven steppe]

Don’t get me wrong, but it just feel odd to be rank high when it’s a 6 bullet reload cancel heavy weapon

And have difficulty one tapping

[vestal crystal]

hel revolver? or the special revolver

[proven steppe]

Hel revolver

It’s good but I just can’t guard the door well compared to DMR/carbine

[jade iron]

do you mean hel revo?

I wouldn't call special revolver meta

like, there are definitely veta who go in on this gun, and it delivers a lot of waveclear in the hands of someone who can aim

but the meta waveclear specials have this ability to just be everything guns, you can mop up hordes and you can also focus down bigs

revolver kinda stays in its lane

[jade iron]

oh lol didn't see you clarify

hel revo has 8 in the mag, not 6

[junior latch]

No

[signal plaza]

was it 1 head 1 body?

[jade iron]

to my knowledge hel revo has always been 1 head 1 body

[signal plaza]

I thought dmr was 1 head 1 body and hel revo was just 1 head

but I may be wrong

[jade iron]

hel revo was pen 4

[proven steppe]

Does it one shot striker head without modifier?

[signal plaza]

I was one of the plebs who only used autopistol

[jade iron]

if it 1tapped it'd be giga broken

[jade iron]

no

[junior latch]

Normal revo. Yes
Hel revo. No

[signal plaza]

new friend request from: ADROIT: STW-D

[proven steppe]

How much % to get it to one shot striker body for hel revolver

Or was it just not feasible

[jade iron]

it's like 13%

[junior latch]

boosters

[vestal crystal]

13% is for one shot headshot, not body shot

[jade iron]

also what eva said

[junior latch]

anyhow

Hel revo is already giga busted

[vestal crystal]

one shot body shot is not possible i think

[junior latch]

normal revolver is good

[jade iron]

ah I didn't see "body" in that question

[proven steppe]

I’m taking too much L

[junior latch]

im fine with people using boosters

i just think including them in balance discussions or revolving your gameplay around them is stupid

[proven steppe]

Oh I don’t really care about balancing the game since it really just hard overall lol

Maybe y’all just too crack to dwell into that

[junior latch]

the game isnt quite as hard as many people think

its harder than it looks (when watching) but easier than one would think

[jade iron]

anyway, to answer this question:

• dmr breakpoints (1 head 1 body or 3 body) on strikers is good
• gets more ammo than dmr
• pretty fast reload cancel (faster than dmr's, though dmr's is pretty good too)
• 40dps, compare dmr's 30dps (this is mostly down to fire rate)
• gets pen, which is great into hordes or lined-up enemies (but don't expect to pen all the time, think of pen as gravy)
• 12 in a mag is kinda getting into diminishing returns territory on guns on ~8damage semis that have good reloads, 8 is fine
• dmr has practically infinite range, but hel revo gets enough of that range that your breakpoints into smalls still work about as far out as you're ever going to shoot

dmr is very good too, but ammo + dps + pen give hel revo a pretty big edge

[jade iron]

it feels like you're implying here that reload cancels are a serious skill investment, when to players who've been doing them for a while they're pretty second-nature

[sharp siren]

hel revolver was meta back then because bug hunters where idiots and suffered a severe skill issue

thing penetrated 5 enemies, had a 2.3 stagger multi

it was literally a special on the main slot

combine that with burst canon and you had the loadout meta of the rundown

[junior latch]

of all time*

i dont think theres any loadout that had as much power

hel revo on that alone is insane. Considering that even now its still at the top

But for specials, what is there? R6 Hel gun, sniper and pre nerf scattergun?

[sharp siren]

r1: smg, arbalist
r2:burst rifle, veruta
r3: carabine, shotguns
r4 hel revo, burst canon
r5: pistol/dmr, hel rifle
r6:hel revo,helgun/scattergun
r7: mostly were we are

[proven steppe]

Every 6 bullet shove + 2 feel a lot

Forgot to reload cancel like quite often in panics

And uh ya skill issue

[junior latch]

add Sniper to R6 110%

[sharp siren]

yeh

pump sniper

[junior latch]

imo that sniper was so broken that 1 invalidated all giants on a map

but it was so good you could run multiple and have no issue

honestly R6 had the strongest gun loadout overall probably

with hel revo + hel gun/scattergun/sniper all being a thing

not quite r4 levels of peak

[proven steppe]

Got it thanks

[junior latch]

but more diverse

[little ridge]

Before they nerfed it, Scattergun could double-shot tanks/moms

[junior latch]

tanks, no

moms "no"

[little ridge]

I remember doing that on R6C3's sleeping tank for bulk key inside overload

[junior latch]

it cant do it numbers wise .I

[little ridge]

And doing the same for mom on R6D2's mom path

Both as client ftr

and of mom I'm 100% sure noone else hit her in the meanwhile

[jade iron]

we're talking about launch r6 right?

because I don't think post-nerf scattergun rates

[proven steppe]

Also anyone have the spreadsheet about supply efficient for weapons?

[junior latch]

post nerf scattergun is still incredible fn

tho definetly below r6 sniper at that point

[junior latch]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Br_2A3n3YDO1v0Kld27KCLvwRYKJqjliyhntoT2NTp4/edit#gid=357939554

[jade iron]

I'll grant that if they give us scattergun with the ammo it got last time we saw it, it'd probably raise eyebrows

but I wouldn't call it "incredible"

it has quite a high peak performance into rooms with multiple mommies, but it's also quite narrow

[proven steppe]

Thanks my dood

[junior latch]

here, pre nerf scatter could 2 tap mom as client
tank couldnt get 2 shot ever. It usually didnt even allow 3 shots due to tank bubbles + spread

[jade iron]

I don't really want scattergun into tanks, and I'm almost always asking "can pump shotty do basically the same thing but also give me all the waveclear" and settling on "yes"

[junior latch]

its funny tho

when scattergun gets 4 per refill, getting the same amount of kills as shotty is basic

but it gets more than 4

and can kill way more than 2 per shot

[jade iron]

hm, I heard the "scattergun can nuke waves" arguments back in the day and I just didn't ever actually see it do that

[junior latch]

i dont think "nuke waves" is reliable

[jade iron]

like, maybe pre-nerf, and to some extent possibly into a blood door or some other opportunity post-nerf

[junior latch]

but 2-3 kills is very much easy

which is the base line to overtake shotty

[jade iron]

2-3 kills off of two shots is ~5 per mag

[junior latch]

per mag ye

thats the tradeoff for having a nuke

[jade iron]

yes the ammo efficiency might kinda be there but that's pretty ehh throughput

[junior latch]

but efficiency is actually there

[jade iron]

keep in mind that this is also on a gun with bad range

I do think an ammo nerf from last time we saw it would be in order, but I don't think the gun was "incredible"

[junior latch]

after nerf, imo it sits between current sniper and r6 sniper (more leaning towards current)

anyhow, when i talk about r6 scattergun being broken. i mean pre nerf, cuz thats ridicolus

[jade iron]

ya, not much to dispute there

[signal plaza]

I’d argue that R6 sniper was better than R4 burst cancel burst cannon

that shit held like 24? ammo?

26?

[junior latch]

18

...

[signal plaza]

it was definitely more

[junior latch]

no

3mag + 15 reserve

6 per refill

burst cannon was 20 per refill (20 small kills) one 20 per mag i think

[signal plaza]

I thought it was more though

you’re saying current sniper only has 3 less bullets?

because we have 12 reserves now

[junior latch]

current sniper has 13 overall

with 3,91 per refill

[signal plaza]

oh

huh

I could have sworn current sniper had 12 reserves

I should know this I exclusively play sniper

okay yes 3/15 sounds fair actually

for r6

the 6 per refill got me

[stark imp]

Thought: HEL Revolver would be balanced if reload cancelling was removed.

[signal plaza]

reload cancelling shouldn’t be removed though if you ask me

it’s extra micromanagement to me, belongs to the skill cap of the weapon

it’s not totally broken

not like carbine, because that one is also easy to use and has a base reload speed of like nothing

may get a bit less value compared to a hel revo in the hands of a skilled player but for a good 95 percent of the playerbase carbine will perform better than hel revolver

(I am opinionated toward hating the carbines dominance leave me be)

[jade iron]

reserve ammo isn't a great way of measuring ammo balance

though I think both it and refill ammo (the one that really matters) are tied to bullet cost

[sharp owl]

hi guys

someone wants to play ?

[jade iron]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[little ridge]

It really depends on your PoV

[signal plaza]

I believe refill ammo is linked to total ammo (mag + reserves)

[little ridge]

Some games have animation cancelling built in

and it's a part of the skillset

[signal plaza]

or is it only linked to reserved?

[little ridge]

the argument falls flat on games where the devs actively fix or fixed some istances of those happening

[jade iron]

I couldn't tell you off the top of my head tbh

[signal plaza]

prime example: battlefront

[little ridge]

Yeah but is it GTFO's case?

You might have argued the same about burst cancelling

but it got "fixed"

Therefore it's legit to assume that it isn't intended

[signal plaza]

not really but they can probably patch it relatively easily

[jade iron]

I'll just say if they lifted the reserve cap on sniper to like 20, but somehow didn't increase refill ammo, it wouldn't change all that much

[little ridge]

So the same should be applied to reload cancelling

[signal plaza]

yeah but they’re linked as far as I’m aware

[little ridge]

Same for door glitch I assume

[jade iron]

yeah, both derived from bullet cost

[little ridge]

yet there it is

[signal plaza]

I believe an ammo refill grants 30% total ammo?

on specials

[little ridge]

They probably just go with the logic of it being an intentional player choice and as such it's super low on the list of bugs to fix

[jade iron]

could be right

[signal plaza]

or is it just 40% of your reserves

I’m not sure here

[jade iron]

nah it's not 40% of reserves

at least I don't think it is

[signal plaza]

I think door glitch is probably harder to patch than reload cancel

[jade iron]

now I'm confused, I'll stop guessing

[signal plaza]

reload cancel is just a matter of waiting for the animation to finish before granting the ammo to the clip

[little ridge]

Sure but I still cant be convinced that it's "intended"

[signal plaza]

I use ammo pack I get ammo I do shooty

[little ridge]

Like, dont get me wrong, I reload cancel all the time I can

[jade iron]

ammo per refill and reserve ammo are derived from a behind-the-scenes stat called bullet cost, but it basically doesn't matter in practice because ammo per refill is the most important bit

[signal plaza]

I think it wasn’t intended initially but they haven’t patched it out because they don’t consider it to be bad for the game

[jade iron]

that's as far as I go

[signal plaza]

not like burst cancel

[little ridge]

I just do consider it a bug/glitch/exploit rather than a feature

[signal plaza]

depends on the level

some levels give you large amounts of ammo

most levels though

ammo per refill is king

and R6 sniper got 6 per refill which is totally broken

[jade iron]

this debate comes up pretty regularly

[signal plaza]

I used to do it back in R4

[jade iron]

imo reloads aren't a great balance tool for mains

[signal plaza]

I just loved having every teammate using hel revolver burst cannon

that was the only loadout

basically

[jade iron]

without cancel hel revo needs nearly 3 seconds to reload (the datamined value isn't correct apparently), which isn't justified by the kill capacity of basically any main that isn't somehow a secret special like hel shotgun

you're also disproportionately punishing low-man players, since a giga-long reload on a main just means "oh I stop having a main halfway through this fight"

when gtfo's main balance issues are in 4man

[signal plaza]

right but if all reloads were the same some weapons that are considered bad now would be meta

bullpup would become a better ar/smg/pdw

[jade iron]

I don't want all reloads to be the same

but I don't think "lol just give it a 3 second reload" is healthy for weapons with the level of impact of a main

even strong mains like hel revo or carbine

[signal plaza]

fair

carbine reload is like

blink and you’ll miss it

[jade iron]

that's the kind of reload you put yourself through to bring a high-impact special back online

[signal plaza]

ehhhh machineguns still have 6/7 second reloads I believe

[jade iron]

huh?

no, both reload with cancel in like 2 seconds

[signal plaza]

yeah with cancel

[jade iron]

even without cancel it's no more than 4

[signal plaza]

we’re talking about non cancelled times

[jade iron]

hm, I think the non-cancelled times have a lot of issues balance-wise

[signal plaza]

ah yeah

4 seconds

sure feels like 6

smh

I think the non cancelled times are what makes weapons like the mastaba revolver viable

[jade iron]

special revolver?

[signal plaza]

yeah

[jade iron]

that thing has a mean cancel too

[signal plaza]

true

but the fact that it reloads so much faster makes it have an edge at times

[jade iron]

I think if you talk to any of the vets who use revolver a lot, they'll tell you they cancel it all the time

[signal plaza]

obviously

if it’s in the game you use it

that makes sense

but every game has grey mechanics like this

double slugging in destiny

bhopping in some games is insane

it’s not supposed to be like it but the devs accept it

as long as it doesn’t break any kind of competitive play

like double pumps in OG fortnite

they had to manually put a cooldown timer on an entire players shotgun loadout to solve that one

[jade iron]

on this note, I would give bullpup a reload cancel comparable to hel revo or dmr if I were the balance king

we had this argument recently around here

[signal plaza]

I think bullpup has more going for it than people think

[jade iron]

mostly "just give it a cancel" vs "it'd need more than a cancel"

[signal plaza]

that 1x precision multiplier is mean

[jade iron]

yeah I was on the "just give it the cancel" side

[signal plaza]

mhm

[jade iron]

it does have a bunch of qualities which are easily overlooked because gun stops existing halfway through scan

[signal plaza]

it’s a laserbeam with “extra” precision damage (compared to the other mains)

[signal plaza]

mhm

[junior latch]

the precision dmg is to trade off its awful base dmg

the issue

how often do full autos chain headshots

at that firerate

[jade iron]

its base damage still gives it quite a good dps

[junior latch]

where do you get value from the prec multi?

[signal plaza]

its base dps is decent it just has trash damage per mag

because it’s empty in like 2s

[jade iron]

I don't think it needs to do that

[junior latch]

so you tap shooting bullpup?

[jade iron]

surely you sink main into bosses from time to time

[signal plaza]

you can really burst down some shooters with it

[junior latch]

or the shooter staggers out of it

and you now wasted ammo

[signal plaza]

it’s good at that medium range where shooters are annoying your team but they can’t shoot them efficiently because all carbines and hel shotguns

[junior latch]

or you couldve just picked a semi auto

[jade iron]

I messed around with it lately, felt pretty good into shooters

[signal plaza]

bullpup vs tanks👀

[jade iron]

or as good as aiming at shooter heads can ever feel

[junior latch]

yes, the only case its at all ok
but usually i do that when i dont have a sniper lol, so pick a sniper + a real main and boom, shooting main is troll

[signal plaza]

if I use a sniper on levels like R4E1 my ammo balance will be trash though

because you snipe tanks and melee everything else

main is only an issue on second alarm

[junior latch]

you shoot smalls?

on 2nd and 3rd alarm

[signal plaza]

yeah

[junior latch]

sniper is perfectly fine for r4e1

[signal plaza]

mhm

I like using sniper on r4e1

I’m just saying I find myself using main on tanks there if my ammo balance is shit

[jade iron]

I guess I basically never use sniper anymore because it's kinda niche, but there are things like choke mod + main into mommy or tank where I'm going to appreciate precision on main

[signal plaza]

usually because I’m the only one playing sniper and the rest plays machinegun

so they load all the ammo into me

[junior latch]

niche for duos if at all

[jade iron]

don't get me wrong, precision multi isn't a huge thing on a main

[junior latch]

the gun is free to take in a 4 stack

i took it all r5 EVERY level

[jade iron]

but little things add up

[junior latch]

always high enough value and no issue to balance

little things add up, like its garbage body shot dmg?

lol

[jade iron]

again, the damage is fine

[junior latch]

also, in those situations youd like another main more
why? cuz if you dont kill on that mag you are fucked

also shit vs babies

[jade iron]

it's a 35dps laser beam that reaches 15m out

[jade iron]

of course I'd like another main more

I'm not saying bullpup + cancel is S tier

I'm saying it's a good start and it's like bottom of A or something with a cancel

[junior latch]

the dps doesnt matter vs smalls since youd waste bullets if you use it
and vs giants its pretty garbage (arguably even vs hybrids/chickens due to stagger)

[junior latch]

depends on the cancel

hel revo cancel or better, low A (around burst rifle)
AR cancel, B at best

anyhow. the guns stats are so overrated by some people

[jade iron]

lol I'm not familiar with AR's cancel

[junior latch]

precision multi balances out its awful base dmg
range is good

what else is there?

@jade iron its average

nothing special, basically the same as its actualy reload (so would cut bullpup down to like 1.7)

[jade iron]

you keep saying its base damage is "awful", I'm just not on-board with that

[junior latch]

1.91

[jade iron]

yeah I don't really care that much about the number written on the bullet

[junior latch]

is not good at all

its dmg/mag is low end

its dmg/refill is awful

and people always seem to forget that full auto isnt that good

[jade iron]

I don't know, 76dmg/mag seems slightly above average

[jade iron]

full auto has advantages

you can spray to compensate for poor aim/hard things to aim at, spray can give you better control of hordes, etc

like if ammo per mag or refill is so tight that you need every round to be on target, then sure autos get difficult, but I don't think we'd be there with a bullpup with good cancel

[junior latch]

its above 7 other guns with it
pistol: semi auto, can actually use this + it has stagger + rly good reload
hel revo. omega fucking lol, pen + reload cancel + semi auto again
hel pp: well.. not a suprise, also pen tho
smg: ass aswell
pdw: small mag, but THE quickest reload in the game and a ton of ammo to use
heavy smg: ass aswell
assault rifle: this i can see

[junior latch]

its moreso that most autos efficiency in reality is at best like 50% of whats shown for most players. while semi autos can easily fly around 75%+

dont fucking overrate bullpup

its not unusable

but god, people saying it would be good with a good reload have not compared the stats and useablity

[jade iron]

bullpup had a terrible reload, which is a death sentence

I'm not overrating it at all

[junior latch]

the reload is just what makes it F tier

with an AR reload its prob the 2nd best full auto
with a pdw reload its a good gun (with its trade offs being low body shot dmg)

[jade iron]

I'd be curious to see what kinds of accuracy numbers good players get

[junior latch]

youd need to give it the best reload in the game imo to make it an actual A tier

[jade iron]

sure, I would probably still rate pdw above bullpup if bullpup had AR's reload

[junior latch]

its the reason id like to test out the accuracy mod once maybe

[junior latch]

most definetly should
since pdw reload is over a second faster than AR while having pretty good stats aside from full auto issue and small mag n range

[jade iron]

pdw's reload cancel really feels like a bug

[rose nova]

nah thats not what everyone says
hel revo carbine, those r the two they always comment, and unless u ask em for specials they wont say any

[little ridge]

Specials tend to be more situational than Mains

I see it like this: 4 Hel revo are fine since hel revo is fine in most situations

4 Sniper? 4 Burst Cannons? Maybe you could get away with 4 Shotties but 4 Verutas?

I'm always under the assumption that people want the special loadout of the TEAM to compliment each other

while with main you've A LOT more leeway

[junior latch]

yea

for specials the meta is more about, can you ALWAYS take this and be perfectly fine

Hel gun, Pre nerf burst cannon, r6 sniper are such examples

the closest rn is probably hel gun. Then combat shotty (issue is range tho)

[elfin osprey]

is it just me or is all main almost the same which is they can be used for general purpose

the diffrent is how they work and ur play style

carbine and hel rev being the most op

[signal plaza]

I got mine on but it’s not per weapon

which is kinda ass

it’s just throughout a run

[junior latch]

mains have a similar purpose and the efficiency difference isnt usually enormus

[signal plaza]

^

apart from sawed off

[elfin osprey]

bullpup vs hel rev=)))

[signal plaza]

sawed off is a strange weapon

[elfin osprey]

its fun to use

[signal plaza]

on levels with few bigs and mainly smalls and surges I like taking sawed off + revolver

[junior latch]

Hel shotty is far more different honestly

sawed off aswell tho ye

[signal plaza]

basically swapping the main and secondary roles

for a stronger add clear weapon and a weaker special basically

[elfin osprey]

we just need something to spice life up

[signal plaza]

true true

[elfin osprey]

and shotty is the way to go

[signal plaza]

hel shotgun is insane but it doesn’t seem too good against bigs compared to something like sawed off

stagger is definitely more reliable though

sawed off is just insane burst damage and hel shotty is more well rounded

[junior latch]

huh what

[signal plaza]

like you can one mag a big sure

[junior latch]

sawed off needs back dmg

hel shotty kills 2 giants alone in 1 mag

[signal plaza]

huh?

every weapon has back dmg afaik

it’s just an enemy modifier

right?

I might be wrong here but sawed off two shots a big with one occiput one back

[junior latch]

ye

2 back are enough

anyhow

hel shotty without pen kills 0.2 less giants per refill

but pen lol

[signal plaza]

yeah but the reload is a lot longer so if you don’t get them with the first mag you’re more vunerable

for 2 bigs I probably prefer sawed off just because you magdump then reload quickly

[junior latch]

But how wouldnt you??

[signal plaza]

feels more like a sustained weapon as opposed to hel shotgun which feels like a magdump then swap special

[junior latch]

sawed off needs to reload to kill 2 giants, then reload again

it also cant miss any pellet

hel shotty sprays into 2 with 1 mag and kills both while being able to miss 5 full shots

[signal plaza]

if you get them lined up properly yeah

sawed off does seem to have better range though

is it actually less spread or is that a feeling thing?

havent checked the stats

[junior latch]

Hel shotty has worse spread, same fall off

Doesnt matter as both need to shoot close range

or rather

sawed off NEEDS to

hel shotty wants to

[signal plaza]

hel shotty staggers at better ranges

true that

[junior latch]

You can miss 5 shots of 14 to kill. You dont need a perfect line up

[signal plaza]

hmm I might give it more of a shot then

[junior latch]

hel shotty is busted

[signal plaza]

I feel like I miss a lot of pellets even at pretty close range

feels like a peashooter but a very fast one which makes it feel better

also stunlocks everything

[signal plaza]

I use it for surges usually

[junior latch]

as host it feels fine for smaller groups

aside from that just use it for clumps, stagger or giants

[little ridge]

I feel like it's decent overall and very good if you can abuse enemy funnelling and shit

[junior latch]

its insanely cracked

only issue is range

gun out stats all mains by a ton

no pen and only 2 hit kills is decently efficient. Massive burst but also long burst

now with pen

:>

fun

[signal plaza]

hel shotgun kinda invalidates combat shotty in my eyes

[wispy bluff]

Eh, combat deals more damage I believe

[little ridge]

why? get both, CS gets a fuckton shells per ammo repack

[signal plaza]

sure it’s more reliable at one shotting smalls

the combat

[wispy bluff]

HEL is crowd control stagger man and combat is the killer

[signal plaza]

but I used it for stagger before

yeah

[junior latch]

It cant. Since combat shotty is also S tier

[wispy bluff]

Equip both to become the ultimate trench cleaner

[little ridge]

I'm sure someone's gonna say the actual numerical value 😄 but it gets 22-23 whatever shells per refill which is fucking insane IIRC

[junior latch]

Combat shotty is stupidly efficient. Still fine efficient with 2 taps, good into mostly anything.

It combos well with hel shotty if you have a teammate covering shooters

[junior latch]

yep, 22.5

Its insane

[latent palm]

Statement: i use PDW cause thermal sights (change my mind)

[wispy bluff]

Revolting

[past tree]

based

[jade iron]

lol quad veruta + hel revo was the r7 sweaty loadout

[latent palm]

The true rambo squad

[jade iron]

yes it's probably wise to mix in a shotgun or something, but veruta is kind of an everything gun

[latent palm]

Thats why its my most used

[jade iron]

a veruta mag is 210 damage, which is comfortably 10 smalls, or a giant and a half, or quite a bit of damage into mommy

and it gets the ammo to back it up

[grizzled bison]

Don't call her that

[wispy bluff]

BatemanWhyNot.jpg

[grizzled bison]

God I love when mommy gives birth

[jade iron]

with specials like veruta, hel gun, combat shotgun, arbalist, waveclear-focused specials have kind-of become the centre of gravity of gtfo balance

with power weapons like the shotguns really wanting bosses to make the case for bringing them

imo the game's a little healthier if the guns that mop up hordes don't just also mop up bigs without hurting in the ammo department

but it is what it is

[latent palm]

I mean

It is balanced

You dont hit your shots that often

Hows everybody feels about R5C tiers?

Compared to R4

[jade iron]

r5c1 my beloved

[latent palm]

In my opinion they’re easier than R4C tiers ngl

[wispy bluff]

I already forgot what R5C1 was

Care to remind?

[jade iron]

r4c1 is a cakewalk unless you're like me and defending uplink duo with guns, r4c2 is long and mostly boring

[wispy bluff]

R5C2 overload was very fucking cool. Loved that.

[jade iron]

r4c3 is hard

but I might say r5c1 is harder duo than r4c3

I'm super proud of my r5c1ex duo

it's close though

[burnt flume]

r4c2 overload was cool until they removed half the shadow scouts

[jade iron]

difficulty aside, on average I think the r5 c tiers are better levels than the r4 c tiers

mostly because r4c1 and r4c2 are ehh levels

[wispy bluff]

Enclined to agree, much more interesting.

[jade iron]

S scan into respawning giant room with non-respawning scouts, uplink objective in side zone, repeat

[wispy bluff]

Ah yeeeeees

That shit

It was pretty intense

My squad awoke the Respawn room on the way back and one of the guys got downed

We had to defend extraction as 3 against a goddamn army of everything

With all the turrets left behind in old positions because we forgot to pick them up

Literally just guns and a biotracker

[grizzled bison]

Did you shoot them

[wispy bluff]

HEL shotgun is a goddamn beast

[junior latch]

R5C2/R4C3 >> R5C1 > R4C2 > R5C3 >>> R4C1

Is prob how id rank it rn

tho r4c2 is just a lot of boredom until the end

which honestly is also the only wipe point

but its barely one

[analog flicker]

Newbies telling me it's bad. And then the way they see me using it and asking which gun I'm using.

[grizzled bison]

hel shotgun is bad

use the sawed off

[sharp owl]

beep spittin truth as per usual\

[latent palm]

in dificulty (easy=>hard)?

[storm quartz]

Sawed off kinda cracked until sway bug hits

[sharp owl]

sawed off gives off chad energy

[jade iron]

r5c2/r4c3 hardest, r4c1 easiest

assuming conventional use of the > symbol

I'm not sure how anyone could regard r4c1 as the hardest of the lot anyway

[signal plaza]

based

[signal plaza]

full completions definitely, comparing PEs to only sec is kinda unfair but who runs anything else than PE anyways

[sharp siren]

You welcome

[grizzled bison]

35 dmg

[sharp siren]

you suck

[grizzled bison]

He read my comment on his guide...

[steel marsh]

@sick gyro sorry I gtg I’ll be back later tho

[sick gyro]

no worries

[barren parcel]

Hi everyone I have not bought the game, what's the end-game / general progression like?

is it cosmetic only?

[waxen mantle]

pretty much

and general sense of completing some pretty hard stuff

[burnt flume]

the progression is basically just unlocking harder missions, getting cosmetics, and getting better at the game

[signal plaza]

There’s a steep learning curve at the start, but you can get decent very fast (20-30hrs). From that point on its learning new mechanics, getting a sense for level design, and you’ll start to memorize tiles, certain locations, etc. There’s hardly a limit. Skill ceiling is very high. There’s no real progression in terms of unlocks though (only cosmetics). Getting better at the game IS the progression

[grizzled bison]

Skill CEILING is LOW it's called HEL GUN and WIN

[worthy plank]

is gtfo worth if i dont have friends to play with (aka play it solo)

[gaunt inlet]

I can GTFO in VR? Sign me up.

[mint light]

you'll never finish the game but you might get some enjoyment out of the content you DO finish

[worthy plank]

why wont i finish it

[mint light]

cause no one ever managed to solo the whole game

simple as

[worthy plank]

damn

[mint light]

there are lfg channels on the discord tho

[grizzled bison]

That one guys been doing a pretty good job

Hino

Something

Wouldn't say it's impossible to do just with bots

[mint light]

even that one guy still has to do some legit 🙂

• he is a 3k to 5k hours player

[grizzled bison]

Birthing into a wall is a valid strategy

[mint light]

yes beep

[burnt flume]

hinoki my goat, some of the runs are crazy

And there's T-Nenpi who might have more clears, but makes use of kiting a lot

[grizzled bison]

You should make use of kiting more pachi

[sharp owl]

😏

[mint light]

sit down. you are stuck

[sharp owl]

you sound soo sure

[mint light]

cause I know

[barren parcel]

Seems easy to find groups here

[maiden basalt]

hey anyone wanna play some gtfo

[lofty grotto]

Don’t forget Fireblade

There’s always someone trying some crazy feats

[burnt flume]

U right, gonna circle kite eneny cap at r4e1 reactor for 25 mins while my partner finishes the objective

[grizzled bison]

Woke up birthers 🥹

Jish

[pine root]

Wasn’t into a wall more like on a pillar

[maiden basalt]

anyone wanna make a group?

[burnt flume]

The baby box

[pine root]

How many babies do you have on your baby box

I have 6 on mine

[burnt flume]

I had 2 but they fell off and died

I don't like babies anyway

[pine root]

@grizzled bison when do I get to throw your dark tid runs

[sharp owl]

i trust your intuition

[mint light]

thanks m8, me too

[grizzled bison]

What is the name of your ogryn

[pine root]

I play zealot

I am a child of god

[grizzled bison]

God emperor

[livid gulch]

busy in one with your mom, dad, and sister

[pine root]

Go to general! Don’t sex chat here pls

[livid gulch]

I am Dr Sex

[surreal orchid]

I just fucked up so hard that my drill melted and burned into my arm. My doctor laughed so hard i think he too needs to be hospitilized

;-;

[sand rover]

anyone will play gtfo ?

[surreal orchid]

#lfg-beginners

Seek players there

[sand rover]

ohk

thnx

[sinful stirrup]

can anyone help me and one of my friend clear 1st level of GTFO?

we are really struggling

[livid gulch]

skill issue

[sinful stirrup]

109775243248051766

join us LF2

[left kelp]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[gleaming cave]

how do i make a voice chat lobby?

[livid gulch]

skill bissue

[gleaming cave]

damn thats helpful

[livid gulch]

[quartz cape]

you dont need to make one, just choose an empty one and invite other people to join it in one of the lfg channels

[past tree]

just did R2B3 for the first time

uplinks are funky

:3

[junior latch]

@green rivet someone doesnt wanna speed

[green rivet]

hmmmm?

[green rivet]

when are you coming back

[junior latch]

currently chatting

[wicked solstice]

the verdict is it’s not allowed

If someone is using it you can report it to ModMail

You can at least report it so that we know

[sharp owl]

And if someone falsely accuses someone?

[wicked solstice]

We’re always wary of false reports, and if a mistake does occur (which I’ve rarely seen), it’s usually sorted out quickly

[mint light]

I would like to report @sharp owl

[wicked solstice]

mmm

[sharp owl]

Id be careful if u were you

[mint light]

I am me, you doof

[mint light]

see!!!

[sharp owl]

Smartass

[mint light]

only nonsense comes from that dude

[sharp owl]

You need proper beating

I ain't having it with you

[mint light]

What like your uncle gave you?

[serene berry]

He can beat it just fine without you anyway

[mint light]

Meaby the military will smack some sense into you

[sharp owl]

Maybe and maybe I'll smack you around

[mint light]

M8 you will try

[sharp owl]

I will do it

[mint light]

You bringing your bots with you?

[barren parcel]

Just bought the game and about to launch it wish me luck

[mint light]

good luck

[sharp owl]

The boys always with me 🖕

[mint light]

Good I'll smack 4 bitches

[serene berry]

Good luck! feel free to drop by and ask questions,
also do not use in game mm, only lfg here or play with friends

[barren parcel]

what's wrong with game mm

[mint light]

It's dead

[barren parcel]

why don't they remove it or improve it

[sharp owl]

4 Bitches will smack you

Lotsa work

[mint light]

Long story short. by the time they introduced MM the community was already settled on the discord and Did not move over

[normal lake]

my money is on dj here

[mint light]

Basically

[barren parcel]

there a roadmap for this game

[mint light]

Smart man

[mint light]

mostly abandoned. the only roadmap viable is the one saying: R8 one day 😅

[sharp owl]

Poor choice

[barren parcel]

what's that mean?

[serene berry]

i would bet on Azert w/ 3 bots over DJ and 3 fresh downloads every single day of the week

[mint light]

That the only thing confirmed still in the works is R8

[mint light]

You have anti-DJ bias.

[normal lake]

after watching a 80 year old man beat the shit out of a 25 year old in walmart id say anything is possible

[serene berry]

the only roadmap that is up to date it we are getting the re-release of R6 soon and R8 after that

[barren parcel]

what's R8 mean?

[serene berry]

rundown 8

[mint light]

Rundown 8

[barren parcel]

what will that consist of tho? what makes it exciting?

just more expeditions / new guns / new mechanics?

[mint light]

New campaign

probably new enemies and new guns

[serene berry]

new levels,
maybe new enemies or environments or guns. tbd

[mint light]

meaby new objective type

[wicked solstice]

New guns yeah

[sharp owl]

I can hold my own dj is a soft frenchie

[wicked solstice]

New levels

[mint light]

No new mechanics as the reason they brought old rundowns back is because they were done mechanic wise

[wicked solstice]

Hopefully new enemies objectives and environments

[normal lake]

shit hes french, aight you win

[wicked solstice]

Really?

fuuuuck

[mint light]

I'll burn the car with you in it m8

[sharp owl]

Help your pals in France first 🖕

[mint light]

Yeah that was stated way back when Alt R1 was announced

[mint light]

I donated to the cop

[wicked solstice]

oh lol I never found that

😔

[barren parcel]

would u say the game is just kinda done content wise tho? I mean for $20 they might have enough content to call it "done" and just stop updating it

[sharp owl]

Of all the stupid shit you could have done this is borderline the worst

[mint light]

you have currently already 200 to 500 hours of content. add to that Rundown 8

[barren parcel]

oofda yea seems worth

[mint light]

I would say that's enough content

[barren parcel]

I wonder if they'll make a sequel or are working on a new title?

[mint light]

He is a french hero

[mint light]

New title. was announced a year ago or smt

[sharp owl]

He's the reason your country is a loot dungeon

[barren parcel]

oooo what is it?

[wicked solstice]

cyber heist

[serene berry]

its implicit, not explicit

[wicked solstice]

Ahh

[mint light]

Why you not out there looking then?

[mint light]

They came back on their words so many times anyways. could very well be they still pull a funny with R8

[sharp owl]

I'm fine in my thatch hut

[wicked solstice]

would be nice tbh

Watch us get O2 in R8

[mint light]

stfu this ain't Ark

[wicked solstice]

That’d be the most cursed shit

[mint light]

Upgrade to stone

[mint light]

I just expect new enemy and new environment (nest/ship thing)

[wicked solstice]

oooh right

nest

[sharp owl]

You try n find stone when all there is is miles of sand

[wicked solstice]

Or rock for that matter

[mint light]

True actually.

Clay then !

Sand and cactus sap

ez gg

[sharp owl]

Yes yes that's the one I'll go fetch all the cactus in my garden that is full

[mint light]

Gud

Thank me later when in your clay hut

[wicked solstice]

but no new mechanics? Honestly that’s probably for the best

[sharp owl]

Food n water

[mint light]

I mean core mechanics. Level mechanics can obv still occur

[sharp owl]

Pack your lunch boxes of nothing but gel

[serene berry]

Because if they add a great one, then the rest of the game will feel empty, if they had a bad one or it will be a stinker finisher

[wicked solstice]

Yeah, yeah

[wicked solstice]

Listen if they added o2 only in R8 I’d be glad it was only in R8

[mint light]

R8E1 will literally be the quest for the toilet facilities

[wicked solstice]

It’d be fun for like

The first mission

[serene berry]

what is O2

[wicked solstice]

Also yes toilet tileset when

[wicked solstice]

Do you play DRG?

[serene berry]

no yet

[serene berry]

or the cafeteria

[wicked solstice]

Imagine you have a Bot bishop following you around, and he has an o2 canister attached to him

[mint light]

Fair

[wicked solstice]

And you have limited o2 and have to constantly resupply by him

[mint light]

Boss battle against the lunch lady

[wicked solstice]

It’d be on like important things too

[serene berry]

[wicked solstice]

Something like O2 has been suggested

Where some zones will slowly kill you