gtfo-chat

[rose nova]

??? :3

[thick temple]

whack to me that people can't just remember what the level is after playing it once smh

[wispy bluff]

Relic of the past

It was an experimental mission back then

You can even still see it by the fact that its red

Its the only level in the game that has that. Not a single other one. No matter how similiar it is in mechanics or anything.

That's the one deserving of a bright red border to really reel your eyesight in

Because game design.

[mint light]

It really DOES bother you right?

[wispy bluff]

Lore wise - if i were to guess - its supposed to represent that its an "error" level. As in something went wrong, so Warden can't quite relay an information to us so even mission name gets corrupted

[wispy bluff]

It does and it forever will. I genuinely want to know their excuse as to why. I might even buy it.

[charred ember]

okay im trying r2b4 again

with friends this time

[wispy bluff]

I would join you, but i'm so tired

[proven steppe]

Bots feel miserable and good at the same time

for no fuckin apparent reason

your stealth check failed, bot cover up for you

[mint light]

find players, start winning

(sometimes)

[proven steppe]

Random is bad

[mint light]

no its random

[proven steppe]

But ya teammate are great, people that you can trust

[mint light]

as it implies

[silk blade]

@heavy loom why do you think those machine guns are that good though?

[rose nova]

thank u bishi for coverin me

[heavy loom]

because they are simply unmatched

[silk blade]

just overall?

i found the arbalist kinda innacurate

might just be my severe lack of skill though

[modern coral]

Arbalist is super accurate.

Veruta is not as much, but controllable for short bursts.

[wispy bluff]

They are just good all-rounders

basically just super assault rifles

[modern coral]

Oh, shit list, though.

HEL Gun and CS are still more broken than either MG.

[silk blade]

cs?

[wispy bluff]

Combat Shotgun

[silk blade]

oh

yea

[wispy bluff]

Apparently insane (theoretical) raw damage output if you make every pellet counts always

[silk blade]

you're the guy who made that one list 4 months ago, any changes i should take note of

[modern coral]

Depending on the list, probably a lot.

[silk blade]

https://www.reddit.com/r/GTFO/comments/11qm3p9/ranking_the_main_and_special_weapons_in_gtfo/ this one

[modern coral]

Yeah, a fair amount, then.

HEL Gun and BC are no longer insane broken.

[silk blade]

what are the best would you say

[modern coral]

Main: HEL Revo, HEL Shotgun, and Carbine.
Special: HEL Gun, CS, and the MGs.

For learning the game...
Any Main besides Autpistol, HEL Shotgun, Sawed-off, or DTR.
Special: HAR, HCP, or CS.

[rose nova]

theres no really bad guns so u can

pick almost eveythin u want, specially if u have a team to support u

[silk blade]

HEL gun for the piercing potential right?

[rose nova]

and the oneshots

headshot in a smol its a oneshot

[silk blade]

this is true

[finite sentinel]

Is R4C3, R4D2, R5D1, or R5D2 more fun? I would add R4/R5E1 but ehh.

[modern coral]

Pierce + high RoF.

[silk blade]

i find the charge up on the HEL gun to be kinda annoying though

[mint light]

R4C3 and R4E1 are more fun

[rose nova]

its fair, i never really got very much the hang of it

i barely touch it even if i think its fine

[modern coral]

R5D2

[robust gull]

i fucking love r4d2. same reason i love r7e1. enemy diversity.

[finite sentinel]

R4C3PE is high on the list for me

R7C3 i think was fun to

[mint light]

Always PE

[modern coral]

It's a skill check, and it makes it a bit less reactive, but if you're competent enough it's a non-issue.,

It just limits your RoF to 5 shots a second.

[finite sentinel]

i'm an only all objective runs type

[mint light]

Main only does not exist

[silk blade]

it makes me miss cause my brain expects a bullet the instant i left click but the charge up throws it off

[vagrant veldt]

Why would you ever not PE anything? I mean okay for Pride month maybe but otherwise never.

[finite sentinel]

R7E1 isn't bad but can kindof be boring (without giving it away) depending on what role u get stuck in

[charred ember]

yaay we beat r2b4

it only took 1 hour

intense fog ptsd

[finite sentinel]

I don't understand the correlation between pride month and not playing PE, please explain.

[vagrant veldt]

The joke is its gay to not PE.

[rose nova]

niceee !!! :D

good job !!

[charred ember]

turn out theres more than 1 fog turbine

[rose nova]

yes :3

[finite sentinel]

Most of the people that belong to that community that I know play mostly all objectives as well as speed runs...

[rose nova]

as a gay [well bi but counts] person, every gtfo player that does PEs is gay

every player that does NOT do PEs is gay

if ur a gtfo player

ur gay

welcome

:3

[vagrant veldt]

HEY NOW. Just because I experimented a bit in college does not mean I am not 110% str8 man.

[rose nova]

very gay idk

sounds incredibly gay

[vagrant veldt]

Never.

[rose nova]

poke
gay :3

[vagrant veldt]

I always kept my socks on, never swallowed and alwasy said no homo after.

[mint light]

I always do the whole level. the numbers must align

[rose nova]

i keep my socks on too

owo

[mint light]

Speak for yourself m8

[rose nova]

idk seems gay to me to say that

[finite sentinel]

does it even matter? "I'll play games with anyone so long as they are nice to me" - Anon-GTFO player

[mint light]

Makes no sense. you better off hitting your keyboard at random again

[thick temple]

'jklop;ertygazkp'l;

[rose nova]

very gay to use a keyboard

so u gay

[rose nova]

i play with bots :3

[rose nova]

see u get it

[finite sentinel]

Understandable lol

[visual cove]

I hate r1d1

[sharp owl]

Wait till you see it's older brother r5d1

[analog flicker]

[vagrant veldt]

Why though?

[latent palm]

Bing boi dmgs

[analog flicker]

= - =

reloads

Striker has enough time to have a family of it's own and then kill me

[charred ember]

we defeated R2C1

im fucking ded thou

[tepid bay]

Türk varsa ekleyebilir

[charred ember]

terrifying

cant see enemy

[analog flicker]

extensive experience playing GTFO has taught me how to combat enemies in the darkness and Fog

[vagrant veldt]

Use thermals.

[sharp owl]

get your sniffer ready for they stink of death

[charred ember]

They are shadow

cant see em in the light and fog

[tepid falcon]

oh no

[charred ember]

dont tell me theres a giant shadow

if there is imma cry

[boreal yew]

I have a good news for you then...

[vestal crystal]

what if there was a giant shadow that could run at you like a big charger?

[charred ember]

pls no

[vagrant veldt]

Sounds like you are trying to scare the noobie. Come on man not cool.

[livid gulch]

ew wokeness

[wet kayak]

alguien para jugar?

ojala que hable español

se hablar ingles pero no sé todo

[vestal crystal]

🤓

[burnt flume]

sounds like somebody hasn't gotten mobbed by a few very angry men

[wicked solstice]

He’s not wrong

it does exist

._.

[rose nova]

wnos dias carnal
hay un server en español en #hc-latin-america, o tambien si queres jugar en este server tenes #lfg-latin-america

[wicked solstice]

does he know?

[rose nova]

sabes español joto?

[wet kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-distorted-gif-9956316

[rose nova]

:]

gtfo gif intento

[wet kayak]

xd

lo intenté

[velvet atlas]

imagine

[rose nova]

me

[velvet atlas]

as

[rose nova]

a

[velvet atlas]

cardboard

[rose nova]

cutout

[rose nova]

:3

[vagrant veldt]

How would you know? I got like 20 hours in this game, I saw it all.

And then some.

[wicked solstice]

How would I know? Because me and a ton of other people have seen it lmao

[rose nova]

how would u know? have u even played till r1c1?

[wicked solstice]

I gotta say out of all the bugs in this game, Crouching Shadow Hidden Charger has got to be one of the best

[rose nova]

they deflect i knew it they r stuck on r1b2

[rose nova]

helloo

[sharp owl]

whats up :D

[wicked solstice]

The sky

[rose nova]

nothiiin im okii
probs gonna play gtfo laters :]

how bouts u

welcome to the server

:3

[sharp owl]

im boutta hop on too fr :3

joined cuz im lookin for a temp team for injection :D

[rose nova]

noice ksks
well u can check the lfg channels n such for thats :3
just some advice! ask to not be carried and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel

[sharp owl]

awesome! and thank you for the advice!! :D

the game is SO beautiful and i loved the state it was in a few months ago, the only gripe was the matchmaking which the server solves :D

[rose nova]

yes i love this game qwq
i have some funky stuff with it but i just kinda overlook it cause i just love it too much kdmksmkd

[sharp owl]

SAMEE :D

[rose nova]

yes its probs one of my fav games
ever ksmdkm
i love playin it with bots with people even like one two solo runs ive did i enjoyed em

[vagrant veldt]

I have played all A levels and even some B. All A-levels.

[rose nova]

DAMNNNNNN

pro player

i got stuck on r5a1 idk how to do it

[vestal crystal]

you wont see running giant shadows in A tier levels (not trying to scare you i promise)

[rose nova]

they r fake they were made up

[charred ember]

is it true they dont exist?

shadow scout dont exist too right?

[rose nova]

nah is like sayin flyin sleeper

no worries

u will see the actual later enemies when u get to em

[charred ember]

well i just fought shadow things

[rose nova]

:D

[pine root]

Surely they are just a level gimic

[rose nova]

funky lil dudes

i like em a lot

i need to play more levels with em ngl ksmdkm

its been a w h i l e

since ive seen em

[pine root]

Play daks mod

He puts them in places

[rose nova]

i cant run mods

i play on a service that barely supports like workshop on steam

so mods just kinda dont run

on my normal pc

but ill ask em maybe its just a mission set mod, in which case maybe

[pine root]

I mean are you on a computer where you don’t get to mess with files at all

[rose nova]

im in a computer where gtfo runs at 5 fps

unless i play on the cloud

well not the

thats not the term

but u get it

[pine root]

Yeah g force now or what ever makes sense

Unfo I feel like you can still manual edit files but idk

[charred ember]

what is the Mental status and NRV probe reaction at the end screen mean?

[rose nova]

nothin :3

[raw shard]

absolutely nothing

[rose nova]

nah i changed rundowns a coulpe times and it doesnt work on it

[sharp owl]

Read that as gfuel and didn't know what file you're talking about

[charred ember]

i love the voiceline from gtfo

funny and useful since i dont use mic alot due to bad at english

[rose nova]

put a sentry gun here
yes!

[rough robin]

"Put a fog repeller here!"

"I will do it!"

Doesn't do it

[mortal monolith]

hello. i am in search of 2 good people to run R1B1 with me and my friend, if anyone is interested LMK. thanks!

[rose nova]

hiiiii u can find n dhare lobbies in the LFG channels

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[rose nova]

just some advice!
ask to not be carried and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel

[mortal monolith]

oh right on thanks for the info?

!

lol sorry didnt mean to put question mark

[rose nova]

no worrieees, good luck with the run :3

[mortal monolith]

i appreciate it

[charred ember]

why i keep hearing friendly fire voiceline when playing with bots

[rose nova]

check their, health every once in a while kmsdkm

idk maybe?

[odd berry]

if someone doesnt have a level unlocked but they play it does it count as completed

or do they have to do the precedings

[sharp owl]

They shoot each other once in a while

[sharp owl]

They get the completion but doesn't unlock further lvls

So yes you do have to do the previous ones

[odd berry]

okay so as long as they do the level before its okay it still counts as completed

[sharp owl]

Yes

[velvet atlas]

imagine

[wanton haven]

how hard and or easy is it to find people to play with at this point in the game?

[rose nova]

hoiii, in the LFG channels ive seen that is not too hard, but depends on the level ur doin and the time u wanna do it

cause if u query for, idk, r4e1 at 7 in the mornin

it might take u a while to get a lobby goin

[wanton haven]

good ol 6.50am

[rough robin]

wake up, take a shit, get out of bed, play R4E1

[rose nova]

the usual gtfo grind

[wanton haven]

i havnt played since 2020 so id just start with the first xD

even back then i could barely play as my pc was shit lol

[rose nova]

same :3
but well weve had kinda a influx of newies lately cause gtfo is on discount so

i think it should b oki

[velvet atlas]

im going to shoot myself with a mine

[rough robin]

do it!

[wanton haven]

i just scrolled up and read f-et pics and was like, the f? lol
gotta love misseeing things lol

[rose nova]

a

[wanton haven]

b

[nova ridge]

c

[thick temple]

d

[oak trout]

e

[wanton haven]

f

[nova ridge]

g

[livid gulch]

h

[latent palm]

K

[lusty mantle]

do any of us know what gtfo devs plan on doing with the game after rundown 8?

[sharp owl]

Noppers

Prolly last rundown then it's an inactive game

[latent palm]

Hopefully theyll fix everything b4 ending it there for modders

[olive nebula]

109775241922457006

[true pilot]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[wanton haven]

@rancid stone
sus

[charred ember]

wait u can mod the game?

[oak holly]

man i sure suck at this game but i love it

[worthy plank]

fellas

how do i get into a match

i dont have anyone to play with

[rancid stone]

???

[oak holly]

basically i think theyre a new player and the matchmaking didnt threw anyone with him

[wanton haven]

!!!

[oak holly]

im really not good, i cant get out of r1a1

[somber topaz]

Isn’t the game published by level infinite

How much if the studio is owned by Tencent?

Basically it means when the game goes into maintenance mode, it’ll probably going to be killed off just like cycle frontier and insurgency sandstorm

No mod support, no private servers, etc

Its a trend with every game where Tencent is involved and the potential for revenue is low, like low player counts and no microtransactions

Ok Tencent has a “major stake” in 10 chambers but they never disclosed the amount. Probably enough yo do what i said above 🙂

[proven steppe]

What is BlackHopping

[proven steppe]

Does't the game just do P2P hosting instead

[somber topaz]

not if tencent has any say in it, their MOO is to completely kill games they cant profit from, they much rather you be playing league of legends or fortnite or another new game under their control

iirc GTFO used to have mods and modding a year or two ago, they went out of their way to kill it

[proven steppe]

Im new so enlight me on this subject
isn't there still thunderstore.io mods running around for GTFO

[mint light]

get teammates

[mint light]

Lfg channels ingame MM is dead

[somber topaz]

you may be right, modding might still be a thing

[worthy plank]

it’s actually active lol

i just checked

played a few games too

[wispy bluff]

Yes it is. Devs just specified that they are not their vision and specifically this server is reserved to play vanilla, if possible.

We even have this:

.t modding

[mint light]

for now

[foggy plank]

GTFO doesn't officially support mods and we don't allow them to be played in public lobbies or voice channels on this server, and lengthy discussions should also be avoided (mentioning them is perfectly fine). However, we do recognize that a GTFO modding community exist and if you are interested in them, you are welcome to join the independent modding community Discord server. https://discord.gg/rRMPtv4FAh (If you have any more questions, please read rule #12 in the rules channel for more information.)

[worthy plank]

the game is quite fun more than i expected

shame it can’t just be a bit better

[wispy bluff]

And yeah, "for now". It was active too when i joined when R6 (known as v1.0) released.
It died within a month and i was forced to join this server, even though i really didn't wanted to.

[proven steppe]

There is Alarm Cancelling ? it is random or level specific?

[mint light]

It is but ingame MM will dry up and be left with only cheaters when the sale stops

[wispy bluff]

the what

[worthy plank]

so i should i refund this?

[mint light]

like it always does

[worthy plank]

what’s MM

[wispy bluff]

MatchMaking

[mint light]

No lfg channels on the discord will always stay active

[worthy plank]

how big of a problem are cheaters

[little ridge]

Michael Moore

[proven steppe]

Im looking at the speedrunner's guide to GTFO and im just confused at the tech they're doing

[lime pond]

saw one last night

:/

[wispy bluff]

Oh

[lime pond]

flew through some walls

[worthy plank]

saw one just now

[wispy bluff]

That's outside of my expertise, i don't even reload cancel so

[little ridge]

Some Terminals call a command called "disable all alarms" AFAIK that disables... all alarms.

[wispy bluff]

Cheaters are... Maybe like a slight problem?

[little ridge]

It's how you can do weird shit to delete some error alarms, people used it to "cheese" R6D3

[wispy bluff]

Maybe 10% chance to get one

[little ridge]

But you better ask that in the gtfo-speedrunning chat since I dont speedrun

[wispy bluff]

Most of them will try to at least be sneaky about it

Spawn an enemy that's not supposed to be there occasionally maybe

You probably won't even notice

"oh this level just has X i guess"

[lime pond]

big sad someone came in just to say hello and leave XD

in my vc XD

[wispy bluff]

Yeah

[proven steppe]

Literally can't play GTFO without knowing people anyways cuz MM is dead

R1A1 on sales took me 30 minutes to queue so hard that I just come to this discord

[somber topaz]

yeah i managed to convince 3 friends to get the game, and we play like 1 hour per week when we're all available at the same time

[mint light]

On the discord not so much, ingame MM quite some

[lime pond]

i feel that im on R1B1 right now

:/

[somber topaz]

soon we'll reach the harder and longer missions that cant be completed in an hour, and thats when we'll probably uninstall lol

[lime pond]

been helpin some noobies

[little ridge]

?

you're on R1B1 to help noobies or you need r1b1 clear?

[lime pond]

i am currently finding a group

i been runing r1a1

7 times

for some noobies

[mint light]

you can, just not ingame. discord is basically mandatory

[lime pond]

need help tho

👍

[wispy bluff]

oh man, don't you worry

last mission i finished was.... 1:58:XX

[mint light]

you can't teach R1A1 when stuck on R1B1 m8. 😅

[proven steppe]

Im just trying to beat R1B2 (reactor mission?) with bot and just fuckin miserable

[wispy bluff]

Granted it was one of the longest missions in the game

[proven steppe]

Stop taking only the med kit you fucks

[little ridge]

I think he assume someone woul dstay for R1b!

[wispy bluff]

r1b2 is NOT a reactor

R1C1 is

[little ridge]

in 20mins I'll probably be free and can join you

[lime pond]

[proven steppe]

damn my bad, but ya the reactor mission with thousand of ammo pack and tool resupply

[lime pond]

i can help if want

[proven steppe]

Can I get the bot to take specific garbo

[lime pond]

idk how much help i can be tho

[wispy bluff]

Bots are useless for reactors

I wiped 3 times with them on them

I keep trying and it just doesn't work

You might as well skip the grind too and just LFG it

[proven steppe]

nah it's cool, im just gonna wait for my team to wake up

[wispy bluff]

You just need like 1 more guy who knows his way around and its an easy

Hell, i probably could join you once i wake up

[proven steppe]

I mean the layout is good as everything it's funneled

just the bot not taking the proper thing I want

[wispy bluff]

That much is correct. Bots are okay when it comes to combat

But they're useless for exploration and looting routines

Their logic makes no sense to anyone

And that's an easy reactor too

There are the ones that require you to go somewhere between waves

Not just for looting

And then it truly becomes hell

Solo-stealthin with 3 minutes on the timer, wooohoooo

[proven steppe]

yea we tried one of the R3 reactor prior, it was just a rush

alarm scan and running around

[junior latch]

2:14 r5d1 :> yaaaay

Tho tbf we were all gassed and didnt wanna replay that mission so we went safe

[proven steppe]

preserve player stamina by moving sideways
I dont understand this statement, Sideways as in AD?

[sharp siren]

theyre just slow in exploration because of their pathing and its design, the looting part absolutetly makes sense, the devs just program them to not waste any resources , it is shit if you want to save up things but overall most of the time if you camp a box here or there its theyre resource distribution its pretty good

ammo/health % do need to change tho

[wispy bluff]

Okay but how do they decide to switch their x2 ammo for x3 medkit where 2 others have medkits already

or maybe even an x2 for x2

[sharp siren]

because theyre not program indiviadually

its just a set

theyre program to prioritize medipacks

because the devs know that most of the time the player would want to carry the ammo so if you arleady full the bot will carry the ammo until the next medipack avalible

[wispy bluff]

roight

[sharp siren]

they all share the same programming

its not like every bot you add have a variation or keep track of the other bots inventory etc

[wispy bluff]

Well that would be neat to have, wouldn't it

Especially in a coop game

Hell, fairly certain L4D bots are programmed to take different weapons

So if you they find a stack of weapons they will never just go all 3 snipers or all 3 shotguns, they will diversify

Might be wrong, but from my experience that's always how it goes

[sharp siren]

thats because l4d bots find weapons in the in game world and so the devs decided to add "archetypes" to the characters

[wispy bluff]

nice

so why cant these assholes do it

hackett is 100% the sniper of the team

look at him

[sharp siren]

they just gotta fix some of the funny things they do

mostly a way to analize their situation around them

[wispy bluff]

forbid them from meleeing chargers, ever

only shoot

[sharp siren]

they're melee logic its cool and all

but that shit gotta kick in quicker

[somber topaz]

we did r1c1 with 1 bot yesterday, and each time he decided someone needed ammo or health, he'd get stuck running around with the bag out, trying to reach player, instead of shooting or using his BioMonitor

it was so bad nearly got us killed

[high ruin]

It's pretty cracked how bad they are at dealing with chargers. Like if they get overrun by 2 they can't retaliate and just take all the punches.

Chargers to bots are like big chargers to actual players.

[sharp siren]

someone was on top of a object

bots can only give resources on the same elevation as the player

so if your camping right next of the crane

then the bot cannot reach you

also you actually need to stand still for him to give you resources too since moving he resets your last position and stuff

[sharp siren]

theyre decent against small groups in my experience, specially if they land the shove on them

shove its legit their best part

[high ruin]

Yeah the shove isn't bad. I guess a lot of the pressure is on you as the player to keep chargers off, especially with 3 bots.

Because they're tethered to you, it's not like they'll pull out of scan on their own, so sometimes you'll have to pull out of the scan to stabilize if it's like 3-4 right on you cause they won't surround shoot it. It's just another handicap when dealing with larger alarm waves (as opposed to 4 players).

[sharp siren]

i dont do 3 bots

so it makes sense why you think that way

bots are just filler for people with 1 more friend or if you get 3 people

[high ruin]

Dragon the babysitting has become standard protocol for me 😫

[proven steppe]

R1C1 is just CBT overall

[sharp siren]

its the easies reactor

[proven steppe]

it is, but the bots giving me the best times of my life

take the damn ammo bag you stupid bastard

[sharp siren]

another one

[proven steppe]

There simply isn't any option to ask them to

which infruritate me

[rough robin]

they love medkits more than anything

reactor levels are usually a pain with bots

[sharp siren]

please tell me you playing with a friend

or with 3 bots

[proven steppe]

R1C1? 3 bots, torturing

Trying to wake 2 of my friend, so they get into the CBT adventure with me

[sharp siren]

https://imgur.com/cFloWSG

we need to make this a bot command o this server

[proven steppe]

Has things changed a lot after this video publish? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzvazwo0BJ0

[true pilot]

I think yes

[wispy bluff]

I can join, i suppose

Will delay my windows reinstallation shenanigans but whatever

You really have to bite the bullet on the fact that bots are placeholders and playing with them is a subpar experience at best

I've beaten and tried some levels with them and not only do they basically double the chance of failure - they double the mission time too

[junior latch]

Yes lol

thats 6 rundowns ago

[proven steppe]

Hey thanks for the offering but I’m just vibing and waiting for my team to wake up

[proven steppe]

Damn that’s rough, been trying to find up to date guide and tutorial has been slightly harsh

[keen surge]

Might be a hot take but I think bots aren't as bad as people say they are, they do need some tweaks here and there (using ressources/ resing at the same time, not carrying items during error, not entering scan...), but outside of the harder missions they probably aren't the main reason people are failing when playing with them

[charred ember]

i noticed that, some backpack give your character front pouches

it look nice!

[wispy bluff]

yep

i use the one that gives me giant pouches on all sides

makes me look heavy

[lime ice]

cant find teammates for play. Somebody want with me? (mission R4A2)

[past tree]

did it yesterday with my lil bro and 2 bots 💀

[charred ember]

the bot in this game is both a blessing and a cursed

do not give them short range weapon, they will try to shoot enemy that very far away with it

and they will more likely light other bot or your ass up if u happen to cross by

do not tell them to holding on to things like fog turbine

they sometime run away from you and make ur filled with infection

[wispy bluff]

They're turrets

That's all they are

Turrets with legs

Everything else is done by you

[charred ember]

thou i have to commend the on 2 things they can but i cant

they have more than one brain cells to constantly scanning while remain in combat

and they are 100% invisible when stealth, not even feeler can touch em

they also better than some player cuz they will try their best to stay as a team, and will phase thru door and wall just to be with u

[latent palm]

They luv u

[charred ember]

wait thats more than 2 things

but less than 4 things

[latent palm]

They luv u

[dire glacier]

Our group has been hardcore stuck on R2D2 because we usually only have three dudes to play with, so we slot in the bot.

While the bot ends up killing us all because it just blitzes through all of the supplies there, their abilities with the bio scanner is absolutely stupidly insane.

They suck but they’re also totally awesome, great to have on the levels that don’t need pinpoint supply usage.

[quartz cape]

What code are you running out on? R2D2 has a shitton of supplies

[dire glacier]

Cant say it’s a particular wave. Between five to eight is when we’ve run out of tool refills for our sentries generally.

Wave eight is the farthest we’ve gotten.

[quartz cape]

Try to spend as much time as you can looting 196 (fourth code) and 195 (sixth code). After that, once you get to 198 (eighth code) it can be best to quickly pull/shoot the rooms, then use the many resources found there to fill back up for the final 2 codes

[keen surge]

Whats tools are you using ?

Triple sentries ?

[dire glacier]

Generally it’ll be three turrets with bioscan symbiosis. We’ve found that two bursts and one sniper has worked so far.

[keen surge]

Then a single bot can't really "waste" tool refills as you are going to use it on a sentry anyway. At worst it might top one off instead of keeping all sentries around the same level

[little ridge]

burst sentry does not have bioscan symbiosis, for the record

[dire glacier]

The poor guy will just hold onto some of the five uses and just not use em.

[keen surge]

They don't use tool refills on deployed sentries

[dire glacier]

Oh worm? Would shotguns be better?

[keen surge]

Just take your sentry back between waves

[quartz cape]

No, burst is still probably best

[little ridge]

Considering the bridge, I'd rather take 2 sniper sentries 1 burst

[quartz cape]

(L + you hold on the bridge)

[dire glacier]

We’ve just recently learned about that nice sweet spot with the lil baby ramp down, just past the opened blood door.

Or I think they’re called blood doors anyways, s’what the buddypals call em.

[quartz cape]

They are

[little ridge]

It's probably up to debate, but holding in certain siderooms CAN fuck up the waves

[dire glacier]

We’ve found that they usually end up delaying waves kinda hardcore.

Like that other magic spot in… the room you open first with the key… over on the right?

[quartz cape]

Really? I almost always hold in 193 and don’t have any trouble

[dire glacier]

Sometimes they’ll like straight up come in a wave over thirty seconds after the timer starts. No joke.

[vestal crystal]

which side is 193?

[quartz cape]

North side, has terminal for code 2

[empty tide]

quick question:
How long would it take to finish R3 from A1 to D1. In an average lobby/group

[true pilot]

around 5 hours probably

[empty tide]

alright thanks

[true pilot]

although i dunno about D

all before that should be 5 hours

[empty tide]

answers fine by itself

thanks

[latent palm]

Average 2.5hrs

[latent palm]

Gl on runs i guess

[empty tide]

I'm doing it for the 4th time

that's why I'm asking

[latent palm]

Ah

Great to hear

Shouldn’t be less than 3hrs then

[empty tide]

helping friend clear it

[idle dust]

TR olan var mı?

[latent palm]

Im sorry what now

[empty tide]

[charred ember]

can i mod gtfo?

and will i get ban doing it?

[quartz cape]

You can, the ban is based on how much the mods are paying attention/like you

Cheating/ruining others’ fun will also get you banned, but that much goes without saying

[wispy bluff]

And wether or not someone else notices and reports you

[charred ember]

so no modding?

okay

[wispy bluff]

Prefferably.

[quartz cape]

No you can mod

[wispy bluff]

.t modding

[foggy plank]

GTFO doesn't officially support mods and we don't allow them to be played in public lobbies or voice channels on this server, and lengthy discussions should also be avoided (mentioning them is perfectly fine). However, we do recognize that a GTFO modding community exist and if you are interested in them, you are welcome to join the independent modding community Discord server. https://discord.gg/rRMPtv4FAh (If you have any more questions, please read rule #12 in the rules channel for more information.)

[quartz cape]

I haven’t played without mods in a long time

[wispy bluff]

Some of them are essentially bug fixes.

[boreal yew]

You can, but in this server be mindful that the rule is not allowing mod. Practically some people still using some mods and claimed to be "qol" but do it at your own risk because different people have different opinions on what's "qol" or "accessibility"

[wispy bluff]

Ive seen a guy use a weapon that's in game files, but unused. Some axe thing. Looked amazing, i don't know why its cut.

[proven steppe]

Can the bot scan moving target?

[quartz cape]

Yes

[latent palm]

You can
Make sure anyone playin witchu is cool with it

[proven steppe]

Do I need to ask them to do so?

[elfin osprey]

nah

they auto do it for you

[wispy bluff]

Biotracker is bonkers on bots

[latent palm]

Yep

Bio on bots is a instant scan every 3s

[elfin osprey]

the 360 degree 100% up time radar

[wispy bluff]

They ping anything that moves on 360 degrees with higher range and lower cooldown than players

[elfin osprey]

they are basiclly anti enemy system

[wispy bluff]

Permanent wallhack

Until he dies that is

[proven steppe]

Thanks for the answer gais, it help

[elfin osprey]

almost perfect radar

[latent palm]

Gais

[elfin osprey]

gais hmmm

[past tree]

guys what does it mean when the alarm door says apex on the map

[little ridge]

apex doors are the triangular ones that remind ROTT doors

[past tree]

no not that one

im on r1d1

[little ridge]

Tell me which map

[past tree]

the door to Zone 71 got an apex written over it on the map

[little ridge]

Apex AFAIK refers to the door

it's just flair

to indicate that it looks different

it has nothing to do with the alarm it has

[shut vapor]

Is z71 the reactor room?

[past tree]

yea nah it looks the same

no

ohwait nvm

zone 70

[wispy bluff]

Apex doors means nothing, just a different skin

[past tree]

No the door looks completely normal

but the designation on the map is weird

[shut vapor]

They do mean stuff, they mean extended waiting for the door to open

[shut vapor]

You got a picture?

[little ridge]

stream that

pick a vc

make us look

[past tree]

ill post a pic in media

one sec

[shut vapor]

😳

[little ridge]

😄

[past tree]

ok its in media

[shut vapor]

Can't say I've seen that before

[past tree]

id ping you there but its a 5 min slowmdoe

I saw that in R1C2 aswell, on the door leading to Zone 90

which is the normal alert, not the one where it's all chargers

@little ridge the door is perfectly normal, like any other sec door

only "real" thing is the Tier V alert awaiting it

[boreal yew]

Anyway that door is nothing special

[past tree]

aight, the apex read also disappears sometimes depending on how I move the map

[elfin osprey]

apex door is just a big door that took a long time to open

[latent palm]

VIP ppl only door

[elfin osprey]

its just a make people slow down door

[past tree]

im not talkin bout the triangle lock lookin doors

my map is just glitchin out prolly

it cant handle my spectacular abilities and must try to discourage me with false information

[pine root]

You can desync the map in a few ways that could be why also if the map wants to spawn markers and doesn’t it can default to werid ones. I have seen ladders everywhere on my map before

[wheat pilot]

So random thought: no one cares about the matchmaking function because of discord, so what if they added a unique pvp feature in the game? Nothing too sweaty but like I don’t know maybe 1v3 or 2v2, prisoners of their choice vs particular mutated that makes it balanced?

[true pilot]

so 1v3 would be unwinable

i tried makeshifht pvp in this game

1v1 is already super hard

But overall

interesting idea

[wheat pilot]

I wrote “particular” because maybe they could make a unique creature to play that makes it winable/feasible

[true pilot]

controlling enemies could be very fun

but also

it would take time to make and 10 chambers usually does not do things that require time and effort

[wheat pilot]

Yea I’m not complaining because I already adore the amount of pve content for the price, even with R8 being the last. But I imagine if they consider my idea, maybe it could reach a following similar to dead by daylight

Up the popularity, player count, spotlight, replayability

[true pilot]

i mean pvp is doable and really fun

so adding a full on PvP mode to the game would be

very nice

But again there is the question would matchmaking of such a mod survive?

[burnt flume]

the game really is not built to accommodate pvp, though it is a cool idea

[true pilot]

while it is not built for it, pvp works well if you set it up

[burnt flume]

maybe? I've only played pvp games that have more in the way of movement and abilities and that crap

[burnt flume]

I don't think it's been explicitly said that R8 is the end of the game, just the end/climax of the story

[true pilot]

well gtfo pvp is more about stealth

you don't run at the other person guns blazing and expect to win'

if they make bots capable of doing pvp im gonna spend a lot of time on it

[opaque stag]

i don't know how but finished r4c1 with 3 bots

[true pilot]

congrats

it is not super bad

[opaque stag]

think one of them got downed in the scan

[true pilot]

but still hard

[opaque stag]

didn't kill the tank

[true adder]

Salut, someone still know - may players get mb the older sidequests back?

[true pilot]

i do not think so

[opaque stag]

but i think the auto sentry helped because tank was getting staggered

usually run shotgun+sniper turret but tried auto instead of sniper, wasn't my first try

[analog flicker]

[empty python]

first time player, am i gonna be annihilated

[mint light]

yes

[mint light]

They are already back

[empty python]

bruh was waiting for someone but she had to go 💀

time to go back to rotting in destiny 2

[mint light]

there's always the lfg channels down here

#lfg-beginners in particular for you I guess

[empty python]

eh i only got the game so we could play together

and bc it was slightly on sale

[mint light]

in that case the wait begins

[empty python]

mhm

[wispy bluff]

There's no turning back now, lads. Windows reinstallation has begun.

[burnt flume]

My condolences

[mint light]

gl

[wispy bluff]

I'm actually already on 2nd circle lol

Because first time it didn't created the discs

I only had the 100 gb one and that's it

What happened to 900 gb HDD? Fuck if I know.

Didn't tell it to cook it or something.

[idle hedge]

anyone knows if R2C2 is really as bad as the games makes it seem?

[mint light]

pretty chill 20 min mission

[sharp owl]

do you have to wipe the entire disk?

[idle hedge]

Oh okok Ty (I somewhat feel like you’re trolling)

[sharp owl]

well if you are new to the game and you only played r1 then i guess it'll be a surprise

[idle hedge]

Yeah ok I’ve only played r1, a bit of r7 and r2 up to C2

[sharp owl]

then it ill be a fresh experience

[idle hedge]

Ayt, thx

[sharp owl]

np my guy

[mint light]

I can send you my run

17 min iirc

[idle hedge]

Sheesh, well no way I get out of that on that quickly

[mint light]

tbf it'll prolly take some tries

[idle hedge]

Yeah imma have to find a group for that one I think lol

[wispy bluff]

Yes, I want a fresh start. I backed up all the data I needed, so it's fine.

From here on out its just grind of settings things back up.

[sharp owl]

ok thats good last time i had to wipe everything cuz win 11 doesnt like anything else in the disk

r5d2 stairs good

[hard heart]

im lookin to join group anyone got an opening?

[late basin]

Hi any french ? 🇲🇫

[mint light]

Dans le discord FR

[late basin]

je ne trouve pas :x

[mint light]

atten en DM

[wanton haven]

baguette

croissant

je suis haru

.. i cant french lol

[wispy bluff]

I remember only "coman sava" or something like that

[thick temple]

dj, why are you like this

[wispy basin]

hello, looking for a party to play. I'm a new player, need help, preferably ru

[wispy bluff]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[mint light]

is it wrong tho ?

[thick temple]

For someone playing it for the first time, yes

And you know the kind of people I'm talking about when I say that6

[mint light]

gives em a ballpark to aim for

[thick temple]

Don't go and take it to mean semi/vets playing it for the first time

[wispy bluff]

Ive beaten it before and i still wiped twice when helping some lads

[thick temple]

I'm just referring to calling it chill

[mint light]

thats just funnier when they drop down

[thick temple]

Which is why I said why are you like this lol

[wispy bluff]

That's just veteran syndrome. Anything that's not a high tier PE or E is easy to them.

[thick temple]

Yeah that was a random thought that occurred to me yesterday
Was having random memories of people saying this game isn't hardcore

[mint light]

what? its funny

the later he comes back: "bruh wtf"

[empty tide]

5 hours

[empty tide]

5 hours

Just finished it again from A1 to D1

1 reset and 15 min break, so without it, it'd be a bit shorter

[mint light]

3 hours 5 min total @empty tide

[analog flicker]

[empty tide]

if we don't count the reset + break yeah it'd be around that

[latent palm]

[livid gulch]

just god mode fr fr

[wanton haven]

that prisoner seems ''changed''

[livid gulch]

I had a special meeting with Dr K

[wanton haven]

sus

[livid gulch]

uwu

[wanton haven]

uwu-ing in a christian server smh

how dare you

[opaque stag]

how do you make hybrids like

not refuse to die

[pine root]

SHOOT BACK OF HEAD

[opaque stag]

besides that obviously

[wispy bluff]

Sniper rifle to the head seems to work

[opaque stag]

i shoot them 3 times in the head with hel rifle and it still doesn't break

[thick temple]

head not gonna break till it dead

[wispy bluff]

Alternatively scream "HYBRIIIIIID!!" very loudly to make your teammates aware, so that they could kindly help you.

[pine root]

Hel rifle isn’t it

For this tbh

[wispy bluff]

Wrong sniper rifle

[opaque stag]

actually, just tried again and two shot them

[wispy bluff]

The actual one

[opaque stag]

killed with 2nd shot while it was on the floor

[wispy bluff]

Choke Mode shotgun also works wonders

[pine root]

Umm from front or back?

[opaque stag]

front, it was motion door

also had auto sentry shooting it

[thick temple]

i was gonna say, math doesn't add up there lol

[pine root]

I feel like you are missing some dmg

[vestal crystal]

maybe weakened by a mine

[pine root]

Would check out

[opaque stag]

pretty sure first was chest then killed with leg shot

[pine root]

Nope that isnt it

They have 150 hp

And hel rifle does 30

[opaque stag]

doesn't stagger reduce enemy hp?

[pine root]

No

[left kelp]

Stagger tied is how much damage you deal and if you break a limb

[latent palm]

Koning one taps em in the head?

[pine root]

we are talking about hel rilfe

[opaque stag]

haven't used sniper since before i stopped playing but back then it didn't

[thick temple]

didn't what, oneshot them?

[opaque stag]

yeah just staggered them

[thick temple]

it definitely oneshots them now
provided you actually hit their head

[vestal crystal]

og r4 sniper didnt one shot giants and hybrids right?

[thick temple]

yeah i heard it was kinda doodoo for a while

[latent palm]

Yeah

[latent palm]

Any multipliers on hel rifle?

[thick temple]

.73

~44 dmg on hybrid headshot

[latent palm]

Huh

Thats big

[raw shard]

Headshots on giant strikers are not worth it with hel rifle

[true pilot]

back of the head almost kills them tho

[opaque stag]

i think they work if you break 2 other parts first then headshot while staggered

[raw shard]

Hybrids they are tho

[opaque stag]

hel rifle can also 2 shot frank from the back then back of head

[thick temple]

just

2 shot to back

no head needed

[raw shard]

I mean yeah every gun is busted when you have free range on the back of an enemy

Not always gonna happen in a wave though

[thick temple]

...

[gusty burrow]

Hel Rifle does 2.85 extra damage when you shoot a giant in the head. That is just barely more than one (1) PDW bullet.

[raw shard]

Yeah it's really not worth it

Plus aiming lower means you can get some smaller strikers too

[opaque stag]

yeah i always go for legs to do that

ok so what does stagger hp actually mean

because wiki says hybrids have only 5 lmfao

[gusty burrow]

They have 40

[livid gulch]

me using machine pistol on a scout be like

[gusty burrow]

When you deal an amount of stagger damage (your weapon's damage * your weapon's stagger multiplier) equal to an enemies stagger HP, they will perform a light stagger animation, cancelling any attack they are in the process of. You don't have to deal all the stagger damage in one go, it is cumulative. An enemies stagger HP gets reset whenever they stagger

[proven steppe]

I can spam shove to stagger smaller enemy right

[true pilot]

Not infinietly

[proven steppe]

Shooter and striker

[true pilot]

but yes

[proven steppe]

Thanks, was thinking whether I should always just shovel spam if I fucked up the stealth

[true pilot]

no

terrible idea

[raw shard]

Yes you can stagger them forever if you keep shoving

[true pilot]

it depends on the weapon but most of the time you want to hit them once and charge up or with bat or knife just fully charge them

[raw shard]

You should, it's a good habit if you don't wanna wake the room

[wispy bluff]

It is an option if you play with people so that they could rush in and finish the job for you. You can also try doing one-two combo or shove > quick hit, but frankly that doesn't appear to stop them from screaming in my experience so i'm very much confused why Shove feature even exists.

Like Left 4 Dead shove was f*ckin OP by all metrics, enemies took like whole 2-3 seconds to recover from it, but here its just like a 1s stagger basically and then the enemy just continues as normal.

They don't even dramatically roll back or anything

[mint light]

Ah in L4D shove was glorious

in here not so much

[thick temple]

It has its uses, specifically quick shove

[wispy bluff]

Another W for L4D.
Reinventing bycicles hard, apparently.

[proven steppe]

Shovelling doesn’t stop them from waking up the whole room (screaming)

[thick temple]

Normal shove yeah feels kinda useless lol

[wispy bluff]

It does if you just keep punching them again and again

[mint light]

for 1 sec yeah. or you gotta chain shove them till a teammates comes around

[proven steppe]

Ah that’s good info to know

[rough robin]

l4d shove needed to be ridiculous, the hordes are way bigger than gtfo's

[wispy bluff]

But if you do shove > quick hit > shove that doesn't appear to work for me

[proven steppe]

Usually I just chain stun and scream for my team

[wispy bluff]

Don't know, maybe i just suck

And frankly

If you use hammer or bat (which you should)

they fucking stagger them with attacks anyway

So you just spam light attacks and win the day

[proven steppe]

I love the knife sadly

[wispy bluff]

???

[mint light]

Nah you fine. it's not great in GTFO

[wispy bluff]

Game balance, lads. Its important.

[raw shard]

if you swing your melee before you start spamming shove, you shove twice as fast

[wispy bluff]

wat

[raw shard]

yep

[mint light]

this tbh. Can't remember last time I used shove

[raw shard]

I can get a clip of it rn

one sec

[sharp owl]

Yo I'm to play who's downs ?

[wispy bluff]

Things spear users have to do because of RNG long wake up 🫠

[proven steppe]

If spear could run, man why

[raw shard]

#gtfo-media message

[wispy bluff]

I dont mind this tbh, but in return it should be like oneshoting giants to the head

or at least leave them on like 1 hp for a quick extra stab

but nah, cant have good things

[mint light]

😂

[raw shard]

Spear should just have the pierce it was supposed to have, and I don't mean that lingering hitbox shit, I mean actual pierce. Maybe then it would be usable

[wispy bluff]

nah, that would too situational

[raw shard]

There's a lot to change about the melees to make them all actually usable

[wispy bluff]

its selling point appears to be increased weakpoint damage

[rough robin]

honestly? they should just go crazy with the spear

[wispy bluff]

but because 10c can't calculate it basically ends up dealing the same overall dps as hammer

[raw shard]

Should let you fly with it honestly, would be balanced I think

[wispy bluff]

if the headshots on it very like OP, it would sort of useful

[rough robin]

reduce damage to 14, increase precision multiplier to 3, slow charge time down to 2.5s from 1.7s

[wispy bluff]

imagine blowing up a biter's head with a single quick stab or two

no charge

[rough robin]

can oneshot giants to occi, useless for anything else

niche!

[raw shard]

Oneshotting giants for a melee is a little much

[rough robin]

if it was it's sole purpose i think that'd be fine, with these changes it would be incredibly unuseful for anything else

[raw shard]

I think increased precision is a good idea yeah, but not to that extent

[junior latch]

And how do you presume they should do that stat wise?

cuz if you increase precision or dmg slightly it will start 1 tapping mom tumors

[raw shard]

they mentioned that here

[rough robin]

Even if the spear could do that I still don't think people would take it often over sledge

[raw shard]

If it could one shot mom tumors I would take it wdym lmao

can you imagine 4 of that?

[sharp owl]

maybe you but still its not that attracting

[rough robin]

Could you imagine taking 4 spears for the entire rest of the level?

[raw shard]

With the stats you mentioned, yeah lmao

[sharp owl]

i wouldnt sacrifice the hammer for breaking tumors on one hit

[rough robin]

Okay addendum to my changes

3x prec only happens on 100% charge

[raw shard]

Yeah but you suggested a full charge is 1.7s too

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rough robin]

No I said full charge is 2.5

Current is 1.7

[raw shard]

Oh my bad

eh, still seems strong

[gusty burrow]

Note, precision multiplier ramps as you charge, just like damage does. It's not like you get the full prec multi the moment you start charging

[rough robin]

I know, in my imaginary buff scenario it is 1x until 100%

Then 3x

[gusty burrow]

It scales with charge time cubed, so you still need ~80% charge before you're dealing half of your charged prec multi

I don't think a jump would feel good to play, just charging to 99% would feel very bad

[gusty burrow]

This change doesn't affect the spears handling of smalls very much, and spear is already fine against bigs, I don't think this changes the weapon very much

[junior latch]

anyhow

the thing with that buff is that melee killing giants and bosses by yourself becomes an easy thing

while making it worse vs chargers by a ton

it becomes situational broken while being even worse otherwise

[rough robin]

I dunno I'd take "wacky niche melee weapon" over "never worth taking"

[rough robin]

Lower full charge damage and slowing charge time massively would absolutely affect handling of smalls

[gusty burrow]

So you made it... worse against smalls...?

[rough robin]

i feel like you've missed the point of what I suggested for the spear

[gusty burrow]

But... you want spear to be picked... right?

[rough robin]

yes....I....do?

if that mf could onehot big boys it would be picked

I am open to alternative ideas to make spear good cause I thought up mine in 4 seconds

[mint light]

it shows

[rough robin]

give a better idea

how do you make the spear worth taking

[gusty burrow]

How about:

• Light attack damage: 2.0 -> 3.0
• Charged precision multiplier: 1.3 -> 1.5
• Light environment multiplier: 1.0 -> 1.5
• Charged environment multiplier: 1.0 -> 2.0
• Charged stamina cost: 5% -> 0%
• Resting timer resets changed to be in line with all other melee weapons
  • Light attack no longer resets resting timer while out of combat
  • Shove no longer resets resting timer in combat
  • Shove no longer resets resting timer out of combat

[sharp owl]

dont think u can make it better

[gusty burrow]

Breakpoints affected: Spear will now be able to guarantee a light stagger on strikers with a light attack. Spear will now be able to kill a shooter with a light attack to the occiput.

[mint light]

That's the difference, I would not.

[gusty burrow]

Substantially reduced Spear's stamina usage, allowing players to better utilize the playstyle of adopting defensive positions interspersed with quick repositions. Additionally given it some minor buffs to its damage output, so that it has meaningful compensation for its lack of maneuverability.

[mint light]

Deleted from the game right away

[sharp owl]

defensive positions, idk sounds like guns would be better

even if u dont wanna use guns you objectively still suck at clearing a room that was woken up

[rough robin]

agreed, feel like with those changes you'd still end up getting swarmed by a few ^

shove would help though

[sharp owl]

maybe the light attacks do more stagger cuz u know a drill to the head gon rock your world but that still too specific to make it viable

[gusty burrow]

When the room wakes up, you find a corner, play the corner, poke em when they come close to the corner, when there's a bunch you run away and find a new corner to play.

You can't do this at the moment because you get stamina capped while standing still and poking.

It's leaning into spear's defensive, more static playstyle, rather than just making it hammer 1.1

[rough robin]

but why would I want to do that instead of just. kiting them with hammer or killing them with knife

[sharp owl]

no one wants to do that really they'd rather run n hammer

[gusty burrow]

If you want to run and hammer, then play hammer??? Again, you could just make spear hammer 1.1 and it would be good but that defeats the purpose of having a separate melee weapon.

[sharp owl]

maybe if you could form a shield dome and be a pincurchin

[gusty burrow]

Like, if you want to the the things hammer does, then yes you play hammer. You're never going to play spear in that scenario??

[rough robin]

add a shield to it and become a greek phalanx

[mint light]

EXACTLY.

delete from the game

[sharp owl]

what im tryna say is the spear just sucks in every situation except stealth and thats about it and there is no real situation where spear just outright does better than a knife

if u gon handicap yourself bring a knife and do em laddy

[rough robin]

knife chads stay winning

spear is still worse

[mint light]

innit

[raw shard]

They're both shit

[sharp owl]

i wouldnt say knife is in the same category as spear

[rough robin]

knife at least has a niche

[sharp owl]

c tier at most

spear its own tier in the foulest depths of hell

[gusty burrow]

Currently yes. That's why we are discussing spear changes, the ones I discussed make it even better in stealth, while also letting you play defensively in loud.

[sharp owl]

i understand that but not being able to run and hit puts you at a massive disadvantage

you're not meant to hold a position with a melee wpn

[gusty burrow]

So if it was to keep that aspect, it would need substantial compensation.

[sharp owl]

even with guns its easy to get overrun and have to retreat to a safer position

[rough robin]

until they add an actual longsword, standing your ground is an awful idea ^

[mint light]

This ain't vermintide

[gusty burrow]

You hold it as long as you can, and then you run away. Just like you would do holding an area with a gun. Thinking like HEL revo/HEL gun trying to hold a corridor, and then when you get overwhelmed you run away.

[rough robin]

unironically my #1 spear change idea is 'cut it and replace it with the Kovac McFuck Machete' that can cleave

[sharp owl]

i would say just delete it, it serves no purpose in this game or replace it with a new melee

[mint light]

Delete it and give gavel skin for hammer instead

Done

[rough robin]

maybe in a better timeline

God what I wouldn't give for a machete

[earnest forge]

That will be for Alt://Alt://R1

[rough robin]

even if it was garbage. It'd be so cool

[sharp owl]

give battle axe and let me swing that around

[rough robin]

new r6 cosmetics: full ass set of chainmail

the medieval update

[junior latch]

Prec multi: now it 1 shots mom tumors :D yay
Also light attacking doesnt stop stamina reset afaik (cuz it doest increase stamina either) Unless thats something i didnt know was the case for spear specifically

Also 3 base dmg spear still wont stagger shooters/strikers on body hits :|

[sharp owl]

spartan update so i can cosplay 300

[analog flicker]

Shirtless Hackett???

[sharp owl]

with all of its glory

[livid gulch]

yes

[little ridge]

Point is also that things exists in a context

Many maps kinda force people to run around and the "playing statically defense" isn't usually a viable option is it?

How would that work in maps like R6C3 where you're costantly on the move?

Of course you'd pick something else

[rough robin]

mfw team is screaming at me to get in the bioscan on R4E1 but i'm statically defending

[mint light]

It's ok we already came to conclusion: delete it

[sharp owl]

but guys i cant pack up my defense

[little ridge]

it's just that the same scenario kinda plays in different variations.

[sharp owl]

its just a stupid idea you cant just bunker down without actual shields and yes hit and run lvls is the bane of all spear copers

[little ridge]

I'd rather just make it's own melee much stronger and keep the "cant run and charge" shit if I'd want spear to compete with hammer

A different, more pernicious question arises over if you want the two melees to COHEXIST and COMPLEMENT each other

good luck doing that imho

[sharp owl]

make spear throwable

itll be the one thing people been asking for, silenced wpn (ranged)

[little ridge]

What do I attack with when I've to retrive it?

😄

[rough robin]

fist

[mint light]

However much I prefer your new pfp over the old one. please not these kinds of takes

[sharp owl]

fist or just wait when the spear glitches outside of the map

[sharp owl]

😂

[rough robin]

hopefully it would have an extremely finnicky hitbox

and you'd be wiggling your mouse for 5min to pick it up

[little ridge]

I wonder if R8 will have sleepers with guns

[mint light]

It will have the KSO's from KDS deep fighting us as we now on team schaeffer

[latent palm]

Running with spear is too OP (change my mind)

[mint light]

with at the end the boss battle against schaeffer. Where he defeats us no matter what but then get shot in the head from behind by henriksson who realises how mad schaeffer is.

#insideinfo

[little ridge]

"We truly were the GTFO of our generation" roll credits

[mint light]

The boss battle will be an AI who will have machine learned from the most toxic players in the community. cussing us out while circle kiting us

and making baseless claims ofc

[gusty burrow]

Does it not do this already? 17.5 * 1.5 * 5 = 131.25 > 126
It has the flag set to true in the datablock, it might be an unused flag though. (Note that that flag is the one for outside of combat, which obviously isn't such a big deal.)
It should? It has light attack stagger multi of 2 already, so 3 * 2 = 6 > 5 (currently it's 2 * 2 = 4 < 5).

[junior latch]

spear has 1.3 prec multi

@gusty burrow

ah i always forget it has a light attack stagger multi

[mellow yoke]

For anyone that played the remade run downs, are the story bits like on R7? Or just new audio logs?

[mint light]

There were no story bits before R6. everything was in logs in terminals. Those are new compared to the OG's yeah

[mellow yoke]

Yes in what I mean is, are the new story bits in audio logs? Or environmental? Meaning the areas and objectives represent the story. Like in R7.

[mint light]

Area's and objectives have always represented the story. So I guess environmental. there are some audio logs but not like R6 or R7. it's all hidden in terminals

[stray geyser]

guys

can i get striker avata of GTFO bot?

[lean thorn]

anyone from asian server wanna join?

[sharp owl]

[analog flicker]

Old Spear was op.

[latent palm]

How OP i forgor

[analog flicker]

Dragging multi kills

[latent palm]

Same till now

[analog flicker]

Lingering hit box

[latent palm]

No

[analog flicker]

The hitbox lingers but it can't multi kill iirc

[stray geyser]

cak

[sharp owl]

correct madam

[woeful spire]

is there a way to detect if other players in my match are using it?

[analog flicker]

Using what?

[woeful spire]

i wish the devs would implement some kind of anti cheat system