gtfo-chat

[shut vapor]

If you just left the game open 24/7 you could get there fast

[wicked solstice]

if you have 10k hours in any game, I am scared

[frozen kite]

I know a few people

mostly DOTA and league

some 16k+ hours

[modern coral]

GW2 streamers

[shut vapor]

There are people with 15k in csgo

[modern coral]

Really any MMO streamer

[wicked solstice]

god, to think I used to be a league player

[shut vapor]

I'm glad you recovered

[wicked solstice]

yeah, was an addict for a few years

fell off when they stopped caring ab lore

and also norms players

[shut vapor]

New scout killing video when

[modern coral]

Coming R8

[shut vapor]

Shit

[wicked solstice]

damn

[shut vapor]

I need my fix

Can't believe i have to choose between r7b1, r1c1, r1b2, or r4c2 to watch

[rose nova]

r1b2 :]

[shut vapor]

Me thinks I'll watch something more interesting

[marble beacon]

is it normal to find 8 giants (first room) and 2 tenticall guys (2nd room) on R1A1???

[rose nova]

um no
r1a1 are u sure?
cause if so someones prob hackin in ur lobby

tho very softly

i guess

[marble beacon]

yes

[rose nova]

um yes that isnt supposed to happen
so um
if u can kinda tell who it is u could report em to @foggy plank
just put in all the details about it, if u can some evidence like screenshots too n stuff

cause r1a1 does have 2 scouts in zone

but they arent in the first zone

[marble beacon]

yes

[rose nova]

nor there are as many giants like startin off

[marble beacon]

yes

[slim tinsel]

hate r1c1 dude whenever the fuck i input reactor verify its like "invalid security code "

[rose nova]

u need to put 'REACTOR_VERIFY [CODE]'

like just puttin the word after the command

[proud spindle]

Is there any way to adjust the brightness/gamma in this game through any 3rd party tool if necessary? Doesn't seem properly adjusted on my system

[rose nova]

ummm maybe with a mod but i'm not sure u can search tho

.t modding

[foggy plank]

GTFO doesn't officially support mods and we don't allow them to be played in public lobbies or voice channels on this server, and lengthy discussions should also be avoided (mentioning them is perfectly fine). However, we do recognize that a GTFO modding community exist and if you are interested in them, you are welcome to join the independent modding community Discord server. https://discord.gg/rRMPtv4FAh (If you have any more questions, please read rule #12 in the rules channel for more information.)

[rose nova]

other than that i guess just monitor brightness or somethin

or
70 glowies

[proud spindle]

Ya.. I've tried adjusting it through nvidia control panel but it didnt' seem to have any effect. It's making this game pretty unpleasant to play

[rose nova]

i mean that's just kinda it, darkness is well, dark, unless u turn on ur flashlight

it's supposed to b pitch black

that's why glowies r thing too and long range flashlight

and all that

[proud spindle]

Fair enough. It seems odd to have it designed that there can be no visual detail at all without your flashlight on. Feels like bad game design but maybe I'm wrong

[idle oak]

From my understanding (As a new player) it seems like the idea is to make you use the flashlight which can be dangerous, but also means you have to use your ears as much as your sight to safely navigate through some areas (Enemies tend to have audio cues as well as visual from what I've seen so far). It also brings a sort of paranoia in towards using the flashlight a lot and willy nilly.
Some parts of the game as well are bright or have light sources you can see by, but the design of the environment is pretty well done when you consider it's meant to make it hard and push for communication with your team to cover any sort of blind spots.

But that's just my take on the enviromental factors.

[frozen kite]

also, flashlight is used to resync enemies pulse timings and is something you would only briefly use to assess a dark corner instead of constantly having on unless you know the environment is safe.

[modern coral]

Having it on a lot isn't a bad idea, you just have to be aware of what you're doing.

[junior latch]

Btw, should you have restarted this is kinda ignorable, but there is a bug that specifically only beginners seem to get where the fog from the map vanishes and everything becomes super dark and tough to see

[vapid edge]

for hammer u have to quarter charge and hit on the back to one shot?

or half charge or

[junior latch]

Roughly half

Unless you are going to double kill etc, just full charhe commonly to get one shots on strikers anywhere

[frozen kite]

back of head

single tap

dead

[junior latch]

not true

[frozen kite]

must be behind the enemy for it to count as back damage since it is based on player position

[junior latch]

you need a bit of charge

[frozen kite]

It is true

@.@

[junior latch]

you cant tap kill with hammer/bat on striker occi

it only works on shooters

[frozen kite]

bat obviously not

[junior latch]

bat and hammer have the same tap dmg of 3

3 x 3 (head multi) x 2 (back multi) = 18

[frozen kite]

I guess I was partially charging by accident on strikers then

[junior latch]

missing 2 dmg

[frozen kite]

but I do know I definitely did it on shooters

[junior latch]

it does yea

cuz its exactly 3 x 5 x 2

but you need full back dmg bonus

[frozen kite]

why is it 3 x 5 x 2 btw

is that 3 base damage

5 headshot multiplier

and the 2 back multipler?

[junior latch]

yes

for shooters

[frozen kite]

so strikers have a lower multiplier

interesting

[junior latch]

and lower base hp

[frozen kite]

and then I assume chargers just don't get back bonus

or head bonus rather

still back

[junior latch]

yea and have 30 hp like shooters

[vapid edge]

to double kill what do u do

[frozen kite]

so a full charge is 15

x2

good to know

[junior latch]

20

[frozen kite]

ah

to double kill it will depend on the enemies

as d4rk was basically discussing

but stay behind back and do quarter charges for strikers/shooters

should work

[junior latch]

You can safely do triple kills even

[frozen kite]

you can wake a cluster of about 6 enemies and kill them all before a scream if careful with sledge

but it is way too risky

[junior latch]

quadruple kills are a bit tougher

anything above will be rng dependent

[frozen kite]

yeah

sometimes they scream immediately

sometimes delay

shooters do it faster

and I feel like crawling strikers do too?

but I may be wrong

[dusty meadow]

is there anyone that wants to do r1c2 and r1d1

[junior latch]

do a lfg post

[dusty meadow]

I dont wanna host tho

[frozen kite]

...

[dusty meadow]

my internet isnt the most stable

[frozen kite]

then at least post you're looking for group for those lobbies there

[dusty meadow]

how do I do that

[frozen kite]

No one is gonna be checking here for it

join a voice chat, post the voice chat link, have someone who joins host

[dusty meadow]

ok thx

[junior latch]

probably type in the message that you cant host

[vapid edge]

so full charge on 1 striker then quarter on the others back?

[junior latch]

if you can, get back of the head

[frozen kite]

best to start with full charge on first enemy

[junior latch]

otherwise youll need more charge for that one

[frozen kite]

since it's free

[junior latch]

or just go for head straight

[vapid edge]

got it ty

for knife

what should i do

or i shouldnt even use it in the first place

[frozen kite]

full charges back

back of head ideally

it can be faster for small sweeping

[vapid edge]

not exactly on the head?

[frozen kite]

but you need to be more precise

[junior latch]

when sleeping

[frozen kite]

yes

[vapid edge]

ive 1 shotted strikers on their face

[junior latch]

knife 1 shots smalls to the head

[vapid edge]

full charge

[frozen kite]

shooter you will need back of head i think

[junior latch]

thats where youd wanna aim

[vapid edge]

when they woke up

[frozen kite]

and not just the back in general

[junior latch]

knife is a niche but powerful small clearing tool

[vapid edge]

shooter and striker 1 shot in the face when they woke up

[frozen kite]

remember

you need to be standing behind the enemy

for the back bonus

and occiput

[junior latch]

just head their head multi is that huge

[frozen kite]

ah ok

but yeah, your back damage comes from player position Khat

so you need to actively be within 90 degrees or so behind the enemy

[vapid edge]

but i dont rly see a point in going behined the backs of striker

or spitter

cuz knife 1 shots full charge on their face

[frozen kite]

as long as full charge you're fine yes

it just means you can kill with less commitment to full charging

if killing a few in a row

[vapid edge]

ok lets say theres 2

[junior latch]

its not important with knife for those 2

[vapid edge]

theres 2 strikers near eachother

i full charge headshot the first one and he dies

[frozen kite]

same strat

[vapid edge]

what should i do to kill the next one fastest

[frozen kite]

full charge again

knife can charge fast enough to kill before he attacks or screams

[vapid edge]

ok for 3 then

[junior latch]

Same

[frozen kite]

enemies in the room ONLY wake when the sleeper screams in terms of a sleeper being active

not counting other obvious triggers

[vapid edge]

what should i do against

those big spiky guys

who charge

knife

or should i just leave it to my other teammates

[junior latch]

knife needs 1 back hit while they sleep and another back hit

its rough

knife is only rly used vs smalls

[vapid edge]

yea so i just leave them to ppl with hammer or spear

playing without bio tracker is terrifying..

[shut vapor]

Just use your eyes ;)

[vapid edge]

i cant even use my eyes irl how can i use them in this dark game

[shut vapor]

Flashlight

[vapid edge]

the maps r so dark 😭

[shut vapor]

Throw glowsticks

[junior latch]

flashlights, glowsticks

stronger flashlights

more glowsticks

[vapid edge]

i always pick up strong flashlight

but biotracker better

[shut vapor]

Glowstick boosters

[junior latch]

Well biotracker is broken

[vapid edge]

it shows small red dots right?

[junior latch]

I meant broken as in insanely good

[vapid edge]

oh

[shut vapor]

Overpowered

[junior latch]

the small red dots are a bug where enemys are unloaded

[vapid edge]

but someone told me theres a bug with red dots

yea

[shut vapor]

Sometimes enemies appear as small red dots which is a bug

[vapid edge]

yes

[shut vapor]

I never take biotracker I'm too bad with it

[vapid edge]

i love biotracker

im good with it i guess?

[shut vapor]

My teammates always flame me

[vapid edge]

i still need to know whats 30 meters and whats 20 meters

[vapid edge]

i havent met a single toxic person here 😭

[junior latch]

biotracker is the tool with the highest player ceiling

[vapid edge]

everyone here is nice

[junior latch]

so prob not yet 😛

[vapid edge]

ur right im horrible 😔

[shut vapor]

Take a sentry, put it down and walk away, it'll tell you

[junior latch]

The positive, theres a ton of room to grow

[shut vapor]

My static teammates are toxic*

[vapid edge]

i hate when theres upstairs and downstairs in a map makes biotracker

so hard to like

know where exactly the enemies are

[junior latch]

Use the flashlight : P

[vapid edge]

they would be above me then they would just wake up instantly 😭

[vapid edge]

go to settings go to text and images look for emoji section then find convert to emoji something something

then disable it

:P

:)

damn u got discord in 2016

[shut vapor]

I have some forbidden knowledge for you about this if you want it

[vapid edge]

i dont want it

i need it

[shut vapor]

If you are on a bridge with sleeping enemies below you, you can walk without waking them up

[vapid edge]

what happens if they r above me

[shut vapor]

Probably the same response, as long as you aren't crouching or running

[vapid edge]

crouching wakes them up more than walking?

[shut vapor]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

It'll be sus af while walking but it's not gonna wake em

[junior latch]

crouching is fine

[shut vapor]

Crouching is for NERDS

[junior latch]

true

[vapid edge]

😔

[shut vapor]

When are you gonna do walking kills Khat

[vapid edge]

its difficult 😭

they start bubbling as soon as i walk

[shut vapor]

Yes

That's intended

[vapid edge]

so lets say

i opened a door

theres 3 clumped up together

then ALOT behined them but they r far

should i start crying or walk to all 3 or crouch

and full charge them all?

[coarse grail]

when you say this do you mean 3 enemies hard alerting after you hit the first one?

[junior latch]

yep

[coarse grail]

How would you do that? 3 I get if you shove the 3rd after killing the first 2 and then hitting stunlocking after... but 4? Are you relying on strafe dodging an attack or what?

Or if you have a video ref even better

[junior latch]

1 insta kill
2 occi tap/min charge
3 shove
4 tap on head for stagger

kill 3 or 4 (whatevers easier) or dmg it. Then just shove again when needed

with good setup you can get 2 min charge kills in a row aswell

tho thats easier as host

[little ridge]

Not sure if anyone mentioned it yet, but the act of crouching (or getting up) DOES move you a bit and it's counted as movement

So be wary of crouching/getting up when an enemy is pulsating/glowing/whatever lingo you want to use

[coarse grail]

didn't think you'd have time to shove and tap on head before one attacks you but I guess I'm not playing close enough to the min charge threshold

[shut vapor]

You shove the one who's in their attack first. It's just a staggering game afterall

[coarse grail]

if they all hard alert at the same time sleepers 3 and 4 would be attacking at the same time (assuming the same orientation)

[shut vapor]

Then you choose smartly which one to kill first

[vapid edge]

alright ty

how long does shove stun for

the right click

[coarse grail]

a second maybe?

but its good to interrupt an attack

[vapid edge]

how long does it take for strikers to charge up an attack

ik they glow but when do they shoot the tenticle out

[coarse grail]

maybe around a second as well

[vapid edge]

okay

im running carbine and revolver and biotracker and knife should i change something?

[coarse grail]

You've not got much giant killing potential there but if your teammates have it covered its fine

[vapid edge]

i usually only use biotracker and communicate to the team

but i also do stab alot sometimes

barely use guns

[coarse grail]

you can't go wrong with carbine, revolver is specialised for killing a stream of enemies efficiently and knife is great for stealth killing smalls

Hammer is more versatile than knife but knife is fun so live your life

[vapid edge]

i 1 shot enemies with revolver headshot

[vapid edge]

tbh ive used both and i find knife better

but i just started so obv can change

[coarse grail]

If you find the knife fun then stick with it, the only limitation you'll have is dealing with giants you'll want most of your team to help

two hammers can kill a giant reliably between them but a knife doesn't contribute quite as much unless you really know what you're doing

[vapid edge]

i usually just let ppl with hammers deal with giants yea

i only stab striker and spitters

i also dont deal with scouts cuz im terrified to alert it

[coarse grail]

oh yeah forgot about those lol, thats a lot harder with knife but still possible

[rough robin]

knife can contribute real well but only for the first hit

i run knife all the time and when we kill giants, they just let me get in the first stab to the back of the head

[vapid edge]

i need to see that

[coarse grail]

Too late, posted R6C2 overload 🥶

[junior latch]

And chargers, and scouts and funny stuff you can do rly only with hammer

[rough robin]

chargers and scouts are totally killable with knife

[junior latch]

hammer is easily THE best melee

[coarse grail]

Charger is just double full charge right?

[junior latch]

knife has smth it does better (quick small clears) but otherwise its rly just there for the lulz

[rough robin]

chargers just take two charges ^ and scouts are easy, SUPER easy if you jump at them

[junior latch]

nah, you need a back full charge with sleep multi and then another back full charge

[coarse grail]

Oh well, yeah to the back xD I thought that was obvious

[junior latch]

scouts still limit you to come from behind lol

[rough robin]

sneaking up behind people with a knife 😎 easy

[little ridge]

Scouts with knife are easy if there's hardly any other shit in the room so you can manuever around

[junior latch]

If thats easy then hammer is brainless tho

[vapid edge]

chargers meaning the spikey giant ones?

[junior latch]

you legit just go AT the scout

[little ridge]

Yes that was my point

[coarse grail]

I think that knife can nullify its weaknesses to an extent but you just have to put some extra work in, all in order to clear smalls a little bit better

[rough robin]

hammer is way easier but knife can do it just fine, just takes a bit more positioning

[rough robin]

yeah, all-black spikey boys

knife becomes a bit more of a problem with shadow scouts

[junior latch]

a fully perfectly played knife is barely doing the same things (except smalls) that an average hammer does

[little ridge]

The problem that I have with a newbie taking a knife is that he's going to have to switch to hammer eventually

[coarse grail]

meh, if they switch eventually thats fine

The only melee I am really gonna advise someone to change is spear

[junior latch]

Basically, hammer is easier and has a higher skill ceiling

[coarse grail]

if someone wants to use knife go wild its fun

[rough robin]

this is GTFO no fun allowed

[junior latch]

obviously yea
use what ya like

but thats different from whats best

[coarse grail]

Yeah I don't think anyone is disputing hammer is best?

[junior latch]

putting knife close to it is

lets say questionable

[rough robin]

i agree knife is way worse

buff the knife

do it

[junior latch]

vs non smalls* is what i mean btw

[coarse grail]

wait, you think hammer has a higher skill ceiling than knife?

ceiling in what you can achieve sure, but how skill ceiling?

[junior latch]

occi kills

min charge kills

[coarse grail]

every melee has this?

[junior latch]

knife and spear dont

[coarse grail]

what?

[junior latch]

unless you count a ton of charging for spear

[coarse grail]

Maybe our definitions are different

what are you calling occi kills and min charge kills?

[junior latch]

occi tap

[rough robin]

if you get real good at hammer with % charge to oneshot

[junior latch]

min charge is very low charge occi kills (strikers)

[coarse grail]

I read as targetting occi for a kill with less charge, and generally just charging less so you are being time efficient

Isn't occi tap not a thing on shooters any more anyway?

Don't you need a tiny bit of charge

[junior latch]

occi tap works with bat/hammer on shooters

the math was above

3 x 5 x 2 = 30

[coarse grail]

I mean knife is gonna have a breakpoint to charge to before full charge when killing stuff too though

It will be closer to 100%, yes

[junior latch]

and it legit wont rly happen

[coarse grail]

because no player is skilled enough to take advantage of it? 🙂

[junior latch]

no because knife charge speed is already this high

[coarse grail]

like obviously this is such a marginal thing

But I don't really like this as an argument for hammer having a higher skill ceiling

[junior latch]

you can also say knife can solo tank as a skill ceiling

we both know thats just being unrealistic

hammer skill ceiling are all very realistic things

hell, mom hammer solo is

[coarse grail]

Maybe this is just semantic and I'd prefer to say that a skilled hammer can do a lot more than a skilled knife

[junior latch]

Thats a higher skill ceiling?

at least going to what it meant in league

[coarse grail]

oh

I guess it is

I'm just being dumb I think never mind 😄

For some reason I was parsing it as how much skill it takes to take the weapon to its limit

[tardy dawn]

Will the return of the R6 be the fastest? Since the code for this Rundown is closest to the current version

[junior latch]

who knows

[wispy bluff]

That could be it, but I don't think code was ever the issue

They are just RNG rerolling maps until they get the same one again

Although at that point why not just release the same ones... Like what's the principal decision behind it

I guess gotta enforce that alt universe variation? A slightly different room there and there?

[junior latch]

Because the game is different than it was back then

those same maps would possibly not work

[wispy bluff]

Same engine, mostly same mechanics... I don't know.
But in their position I would do the same. If I can make it perfect and up to date - I will.

[shut vapor]

Gtfo is a very broken game

Problem: i2lcpp build
Solution: mono build

[wispy bluff]

I have no idea what those words mean, but I'll take your word for it

[mint light]

Don't worry m8. you get used to it

[lusty flare]

Всем привет 🇷🇺 есть? новички

[analog flicker]

[wispy bluff]

#hc-europe #how-to-matchmake

[analog flicker]

GTFO has no Flaws. But it has many many "Features"

[frozen kite]

Best feature is giants hitting before they actually animate doing it :3.

[little ridge]

Best feature is chargers clipping through stuff

[analog flicker]

That got added so early on I forget when. But once it did. Giants became a bigger threat back then

Giants before the 0 frame attack were much easier to deal with (given majority of the player base at the time didn't handle them like we do today)

[shut vapor]

I like to tickle the giants first

[analog flicker]

Every sub-experienced player telling me not to use auto pistol because it's bad and has no purpose

Also them wondering how the giant and horde coniviently get staggered in front of them.

[frozen kite]

Auto pistol is fun

Especially if you pair with veruta for double stagger weapons.

[analog flicker]

I unironically pair it with hel rifle

[little ridge]

I feel like there's 2 layers of reading here

The first one being that newbies vastly underestimate how much you can get away with for "early levels"

[frozen kite]

There are a few missions I enjoy hel rifle over another Hel like Hel Gun.

[little ridge]

The second one being that weapons do not exist in a vacuum so if other people do not take stuff that actually damages stuff of course a staggering gun is going to look underwhelming

The first I don't really blame them

The second one I do blame them

There's also the point of "let me take whatever the heck I want" which is more than valid

[frozen kite]

It's also normally fine to take what you want

Only a few levels I can think of where equipment setup is important

[analog flicker]

While the first is true and yeah. The 2nd one is because most of them use auto pistol like a SMG/Machine pistol

[frozen kite]

Unless everyone is running like...pistol/SMG and then a sniper each

Obviously

Isn't the point of autopistol to sweep crowds to stun with the tungsten?

[little ridge]

It's a lot reliant on the situation, which means not only what enemy spawns but also if they get in a chokepoint/corridor and you can fully make use of the penetration

IMHO of course

I like it and think it's fun, FTR

[frozen kite]

Naturally. I have fallen off Hel weapons generally except for Hel rifle tbh and rarely Hel shotgun.

Less scenarios in many rundown where you get a good choke to actually penetrate a crowd imo.

Not to mention Hel Gun isn't nearly as good as it was, though still strong tier.

[burnt flume]

Hel gun is almost functionally identical to how it was

[frozen kite]

It is

But it isn't as broken

[burnt flume]

Yeah you can't quickdrop enemies as hard now, but it's still busted

[frozen kite]

Not saying that it is a bad thing, it needed nerfing

I just don't enjoy how it feels to play now I guess?

Versus veruta, choke mod, Hel rifle, burst cannon

It's purely me being a picky bitch.

[frozen kite]

@little ridge do you know why the bot AI is refusing to path scans for people?

Because I have only seen it happening recently.

[rose nova]

it's kinda an old bug, i've seen it since r7

it just kinda happens sometimes

also didn't hel gun get only one nerf, the 0.1 to 0.2 delay or somethin

[frozen kite]

Yes

[little ridge]

No but I remember people accusing it since bots were introduced

[frozen kite]

Ah ok

[little ridge]

Personally I've seen it 2-3 times BUT I've had it happen with big non-team scans too

so perhaps I just didnt notice it sometimes

[frozen kite]

I guess I just didn't see it till recently

[little ridge]

Fun fact: if you get downed inside the circle they all get in

[frozen kite]

I rarely run with more than 1 bot with bio only so...

[frozen kite]

Primo trolls

[little ridge]

I legit had that happen on a R3C1

I've had the ending screen successfull and I was the only one downed

[frozen kite]

Sure they didn't rush in to revive

[rose nova]

ah yeah the ending scan they never get into that one

they don't care

[frozen kite]

Since they usually prioritise that

[little ridge]

They did

I got downed at like 98% of scan

[frozen kite]

Ah ok

Not trolling bots then

I think deliberately trolley ai would be very funny.

If they could actually alert rooms and scouts it would be a nightmare.

[little ridge]

I remember once in R6D3 I had a bot get in front of a sniper sentry and dying

Another bot went to save him and you know how it goes

all 3 got downed, I was laughing so hard

[rose nova]

i did that once but backwards
i went into a sentry i died and the bot somehow didn't get shot i still have no idea how

[frozen kite]

That bot was God's true warrior

I don't know if it happens still since I never use sniper sentry lately but...

If you reloaded an empty one while standing in front of it, you immediately get shot by it.

[burnt flume]

ah I have a clip of that somewhere

[frozen kite]

I guess it still parses its previous command to shoot and you get yeeted.

[frozen kite]

Beautiful.

I actually had a run in R7D2 fail because of that.

I died reloading sentry, everyone else then got wiped.

[wicked solstice]

i hate that bug

[burnt flume]

no embeds in this channel >:(

[analog flicker]

[slim tinsel]

whats the med kits name in this game

[analog flicker]

Medipack

[rose nova]

[slim tinsel]

alr ima ping one thx guys

[rose nova]

names wrong in the emote whut

[analog flicker]

You could just list

[analog flicker]

Doesn't mean the Discord server managers actually play the game itself

But nonetheless the name of that emote isn't wrong technically

[slim tinsel]

like list hsu_zone 62 items??

[analog flicker]

List Zone_xxx (xxx being the zone number)

[rose nova]

not much HSU_Zone
cause the hsu is a different thing, it's an item
u can just go ZONE_62

[analog flicker]

Shortened would be

list e_62

[slim tinsel]

thx yall

i always have problems finding medkits

[burnt flume]

LIST MED
QUERY MEDIPACK_XYZ is something you could do

or LIST MED E_XYZ

[analog flicker]

Another helpful one is to just
List Zone_62 U

[burnt flume]

or LIST RES E_XYZ, or even LIST U E_XYZ

[analog flicker]

It'll list majority of the helpful resources/Objectives

[frozen kite]

Btw, if someone knows anything I better explained what is happening with Sped's issue in #1049599987878723635

[slim tinsel]

is there any way to walk slower like in tarkov

[analog flicker]

No

Unless you play on a controller technically

But that shouldn't affect movement towards sleepers at all

Any movement using wasd can be detected within range/visibility

When sleepers start pulsing. You'd best just stay still if you intend to not wake them up

(You can look around all you want though.)

[frozen kite]

Imagine if looking counted as movement.

[rose nova]

my non existent pulse holdin the mouse would wake up everythin

[slim tinsel]

i love accidentally going to the start of the zone instead of forward

[shut vapor]

Follow the signs on the doors

You'll rarely get lost if you do

[grizzled bison]

@hollow quarry I'm spicing up my CV for potential employers. Do you mind if I use "QA Tester, 10 Chambers Collective (2019 - 2020)" under "Professional Experience & Skills".

[shut vapor]

:^)

[slim tinsel]

what would go in place of the xyz

[rose nova]

numbers

[coarse grail]

the zone number...

[rose nova]

no

i'm stupid

sorry

i read it wrong

[coarse grail]

E_XYZ is short for ZONE_XYZ

[frozen kite]

For E_122 for example

If the zone you were searching were 122

[slim tinsel]

dude the fucking bots keep taking the medkits

[rose nova]

yes they nab everythin u kinda get away from

that's why i let em pick ammo n such only

otherwise all the medies r for me

[wispy bluff]

That's alright, I prefer them having Medkits over anything else

[hollow quarry]

Depends on how many bug reports you filed, with full repro and documentation

[grizzled bison]

I have good news for you

Although never selected to be a bug hunter, I was active in the early GTFO testing process and offered valuable feedback and criticism of the early development process.

[sharp siren]

Me too!

i want the month off

[burnt flume]

If you can get away with it, do it, some people might be annoyed if it's not an officially held position or wasn't paid

[coarse grail]

hope they don't ask for a reference 🙂

[grizzled bison]

I will be listing you as a references @hollow quarry and @untold ravine, expect MANY incoming calls from various eager employers. I only expect the best feedback from my time as a QA tester for GTFO.

[slim tinsel]

aight we got 4 sentries and 2 trip mines i should be able to do this with bots

i might be able to finally beat r1c1

[sharp siren]

4 of what sentry?

auto?

[slim tinsel]

burst

im no dumb

[sharp siren]

you chilling

you holding on bridge?

[wispy bluff]

What mission again?

[sharp siren]

r1c1

[slim tinsel]

got past the first test

[wispy bluff]

It's gonna be tough

Bots will not go to scavenge supplies without you so you always have to be the one inserting the codes

The missions is built with an expectation that 1 guy stands near terminal on a standby and inserts codes at the very last second while others sprint to scramble ammo and tool from far away rooms

[frozen kite]

One supply booster

Or just choose efficient weapons

[sharp siren]

you dont need boosters

[frozen kite]

I meant to counter the need to run further back for supply.

But should be doable without, yes

[slim tinsel]

alr

half way through

one turrets out tho

[frozen kite]

On wave 6+ you can safely put code in, run for supply further back and make it back.

Before timer starts

Even as the code person.

[serene berry]

you should only need two sentries unti wave 4. 6, 8

[rose nova]

real time advice

[thick epoch]

?

[mint light]

dump a turret for a bio

drop sentry 3 around wave 4

[slim tinsel]

its not lookin too goo

[mint light]

ez pz

[serene berry]

a bot on bio helps you so so much

[frozen kite]

Yeah, tracked enemies with sentry will be more effective than the extra sentry.

[coarse grail]

this feels like one of the cutoff transmissions you read when selecting a level

[wispy bluff]

Um

Burst doesn't get bio eff

[hollow quarry]

I will scream incoherent for exactly five minutes.

[coarse grail]

bio is still worth taking

you're gonna run dry otherwise

[slim tinsel]

guys i died and still dont know what bio is

[frozen kite]

Bio is still easier to line up your shots with

[slim tinsel]

i got to 6 and ran outta ammo

[burnt flume]

Biotracker

[frozen kite]

And bots cheat with them so...

[serene berry]

ya, it mostly for your benefit though, not sentries

[slim tinsel]

yeah

[coarse grail]

The D-Tek Optron IV

[slim tinsel]

i had bio tracker

[frozen kite]

Let bot use it

[serene berry]

oh! give a bot the biotracker

[frozen kite]

Not yourself

[mint light]

Ah yes drop one burst make it a sniper

[serene berry]

they cheat with it

[frozen kite]

They can cheat with them

[serene berry]

ita sooo good

[slim tinsel]

so u just tell them to biotrack and they

[coarse grail]

how did you have 4 sentries then? 🤨

[slim tinsel]

3 i meant

lol

[coarse grail]

okay 😛

[serene berry]

automatic!

[burnt flume]

They automatically ping enemies

[mint light]

2 burst, 1 sniper, bio on BOT

[frozen kite]

They always biotrack anything automatically

[mint light]

you're set

[frozen kite]

No command needed

[mint light]

ez gg

[slim tinsel]

yeah i gave them al

[frozen kite]

They also can shoot while tracking

[burnt flume]

Automodeed message :(

[slim tinsel]

the hel shotgun

[serene berry]

OH!

no

[mint light]

give em auto weps

[frozen kite]

Bot with Hel...

[burnt flume]

Probably wanna give them an assault rifle or burst rifle

[mint light]

no shotty's

[frozen kite]

You can use Hel at the hole entry choke point

[serene berry]

MGs are also great on bots

[frozen kite]

But bots will suck with it

[slim tinsel]

yeah i was using a burst rifle

ran outta ammo hella quick

by wave 6 i was out

[coarse grail]

keeping everyone restocked on ammo and tool is very important

[serene berry]

the key is to have every container open, ao when you run around to loot, the bots loot too

[slim tinsel]

yeah but i dunno how the bots would refill their sentrys

[serene berry]

it should start to make time back from not having peoplle loot while you do code

[serene berry]

yaaaaa

might have to tell them to pick them up

but also, you priortize tool, bots prioritize medi anyway

[coarse grail]

Are you avoiding playing with other humans btw?

[slim tinsel]

no

i matchmade yesterday

no one joined r1c1

[frozen kite]

As in ingame matchmaking

[slim tinsel]

nonono

lfg

[wispy bluff]

Unlucky

[frozen kite]

Ah ok

[coarse grail]

Thats unfortunate then, fair enough

[wispy bluff]

I could join ya later

[frozen kite]

Just bad timing or not enough visibility I suppose

[wispy bluff]

In... Uh... 4 hours. 5.

[slim tinsel]

does anyone know what cosmetics i get for rundown 1

[serene berry]

been a month since update game slows down :/

[wispy bluff]

Random

[frozen kite]

Random pool

Other than the completion mask

[slim tinsel]

can you say spoilers if you put the discord spoiler thing on em

[frozen kite]

Even then, R1 and R4 are consistently most popular right now

[coarse grail]

sure

[frozen kite]

Shouldn't be terribly hard to get a group

[coarse grail]

not much will be a spoiler to the people chatting here rn tbh but yeah put some tags around it and thats ideal

[slim tinsel]

does anyone know which rundown takes you to the ||alien planet||

[coarse grail]

|| 6 and 7 ||

[slim tinsel]

ok cool

how do u make them biotrack??

[coarse grail]

if there is something to track they will do it automatically

[wispy bluff]

(they can't biotrack sleeping enemies, only awake ones)

[slim tinsel]

ideally the bots have meds and ammo and i have a tool refill so we can win

[serene berry]

also, because you don't want them refilling meds/ ammo during waves, if everyone is full and they are still holding packs, friendly fire them until the spend their medi and ammo.

i am mot joking

[coarse grail]

bot strats are wild

[slim tinsel]

dude whos pulse goes to 180 just from sprinting 💀

[coarse grail]

these guys are carrying a lot of stuff on their backs man cut them a little slack

[slim tinsel]

true

[burnt flume]

mine went to 150 from almost getting run over by a car, but 190 from playing destiny 2

curious isn't it

[frozen kite]

It's canon that everyone in GTFO is asthmatic.

[slim tinsel]

more like 190 from the space that destiny 2 takes up

[coarse grail]

and also have brittle legs

[frozen kite]

I should not have struggled to spell asthmatic, holy shit.

[slim tinsel]

how do u make them pick up stuff

[serene berry]

i wanted to start recording my gameplay to learn from my tapes, but Destiny Disk-space said NO

[slim tinsel]

theres a 5 use medkit and they wont take it

[serene berry]

Once you walk away, they will pick it up

and they will prioritize medi packs over everything

[slim tinsel]

ooo this is lucky

we have 5 use refill kit 5 use medikit and 5 use ammo pack

[serene berry]

huge

[frozen kite]

Floor reaching for your leg

[slim tinsel]

should go smoothly

[coarse grail]

don't jinx it

[slim tinsel]

not**

i swear after all this help if i choke up ima be so sad

[coarse grail]

you have the whole chat behind you

[serene berry]

nahh, advice will help, but its practice and skill that will pull you through

[frozen kite]

And an inhaler

For the pulse

[serene berry]

and leg braces

for the glass ankles

[coarse grail]

Chell style

[serene berry]

chel?

[coarse grail]

portal protagonist

[frozen kite]

Portal

Ye

[serene berry]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-dream-works-chel-cute-sexy-gif-16594363

ah, portal, cool, never knew her name

[coarse grail]

She looks like she would give a little more sass back to Glad0s

[slim tinsel]

legit telling them i need ammo and they not givin it dawg

[frozen kite]

They will provide as you get lower

Bots are...finicky at best

[coarse grail]

Do the "I need x" commands actually do anything?

[frozen kite]

I am pretty sure no

Just for quick chatting real team members

[serene berry]

The only commands that work with bots is telling them to use tool

oh, and "follow me"

[frozen kite]

And the follow me

Yeah

[coarse grail]

imagine you said "Scout!" and the bots all go take it down

[frozen kite]

While being immune to tentacles

[junior latch]

did you use both of your guns?

[frozen kite]

Kinda busted

[serene berry]

plus they have perfect stealth

gas

[slim tinsel]

im using

both

[serene berry]

they both have to be below 70%? for bots to fork it over?

maybe 50%?

[burnt flume]

I can probably hop in

if you want/need me

[slim tinsel]

nah nah its fine

wave 6 and its not looking bad

[serene berry]

switching the bots off of shotguns alone is huge

[slim tinsel]

alr

so almost died

but we still going

turrets down

7 of 8

[coarse grail]

🤞

[slim tinsel]

after these waves

its over right?

[burnt flume]

yea

the entire mission is the reactor waves

[coarse grail]

You'll need to go back to the start under some pressure though

[slim tinsel]

the interface of the cortex has indeed been lost

ill try again in a few hours

maybe with breathing people

next time

[frozen kite]

People are around

Alright

[serene berry]

people help A Lot

specifically people with executive function lol

[soft zinc]

Can I kill a charger scout by verbally abusing it?

[coarse grail]

only from behind

[burnt flume]

my favourite kind of people

sometimes you see a scary lack of competency

[serene berry]

or people who pick up a two use ammo, and say "hey guys, I found it two use ammo, who gets it? should I just spend it on myself? All right, I can see everyone's ammo in tab looks at ammo levels OK I think me and purple are the lowest, I think I'll give it to those people. Wait, green has sniper. hey green, do you want more sniper ammo? How many bigs do you think are left in the level?"

[frozen kite]

Do people do that

I haven't encountered that somehow

[serene berry]

[burnt flume]

when I get ammo I normally keep it to myself to cut down on social interaction or run after someone who needs it, if they're too far away I'll tell them to come so I can give them ammo

but then again I guess I do have map knowledge so

[shut vapor]

Imagine telling people there's ammo

[frozen kite]

I just force feed anyone I know who won't overstock on it or badly needs it.

[serene berry]

executive function

[shut vapor]

We need to continue to lie that the game has no ammo

[coarse grail]

Ammo goes to whoever is furthest from capping on one of their guns and they have no choice in this

[serene berry]

if its ammo, i just spend it like this

[shut vapor]

Ammo goes to the first person i reach that isn't myself if i dont need it

[coarse grail]

sorry 13/80 but this ammo is going to 60/50

[frozen kite]

Only really had to remind people who kept asking if anyone needs something that tab exists.

[coarse grail]

I've noticed some people read the text bobbing over peoples heads which is kinda weird

[serene berry]

hits different when its my irl group 😦

[slim tinsel]

elden ring is easier than this game

[coarse grail]

I mean completely true, yes

[frozen kite]

Elden Ring is balanced for solo to be fair

[slim tinsel]

i cannot imagine anyone soloing r1c1

[frozen kite]

And is mechanically infinitely more polished

So yeah, true

I think someone did R4E1 solo today?

[shut vapor]

I'm sorry to break it to you but people have solo'd every level now

[frozen kite]

Which is very impressive.

[coarse grail]

t nenpi did R4E1 ex solo yeah

madman

[shut vapor]

Tnenpi got the second completion

[slim tinsel]

is r4e1 hardx

[coarse grail]

hardest level in the game I think is generally agreed

[shut vapor]

E tier is the hardest available tier

[slim tinsel]

almost sent a nsfw sticker on accident lol

[frozen kite]

And R4E1 has the spot for probably hardest levels ever

[serene berry]

lol spirit summons fill the same role as bots imo, so i kinda disagree with this

[frozen kite]

You get one tho

And you can play no problem without ever using spirit summon

Just by learning attacks

[shut vapor]

Make sure you include vanilla there lol

[frozen kite]

And jumping instead of only dodge rolling

[wispy bluff]

Very much.

[coarse grail]

Elden Ring is one of those games where you can choose to gimp yourself in any number of ways to select your difficulty settings

[wispy bluff]

That level takes like an hour and majority of wipes happen either in the first 10 minutes or the last 10

[coarse grail]

and then you get to be elitist towards anyone who didn't also choose those restrictions 😇

[frozen kite]

But yeah true

[slim tinsel]

does anyone know how to beat r1c1 with bots cuz they like dont use the essential supplies

[wispy bluff]

Keep trying, maybe cheat yourself an infinite stamina or something

Otherwise you literally just need 1 more human to be in the terminal

[slim tinsel]

real

[coarse grail]

eh?

[serene berry]

2 people 2 bots is very manageable

[frozen kite]

And then you learn that a surprising number of attacks can be jumped, crouched or avoided with positioning

[coarse grail]

seeing people beat bosses just by walking around them is so cool

[shut vapor]

Artek it's not right to encourage cheating

[burnt flume]

Yeah, Nenpi got his EX clear and not just High clear, if it's done without doorbug then damn (it probably is through a mix of either shadow/giant kiting and being an absolute madman)

[junior latch]

A lot with some cheese strats and some with glitch abuse tbh, but still. Its insane

[burnt flume]

can't imagine sitting down and long kiting for 4 hours, I think my body would die

[slim tinsel]

did he post a vid

[burnt flume]

not yet I don't think, but I can check

[shut vapor]

Pachi did for his but he door bugged lel

[coarse grail]

He probably will post one soon, I think he normally does

[analog flicker]

Not the door bug

[frozen kite]

Long kiting seems too soul rending

[burnt flume]

not there yet but here's his channel https://www.youtube.com/@t-nenpi7325

[analog flicker]

[slim tinsel]

oh my god

[analog flicker]

Not wrong

[slim tinsel]

with a knife

[frozen kite]

4 hours

Actually on crack

[analog flicker]

[burnt flume]

anyway my solo r4e1 was scuffed asf

[junior latch]

the long kite would be painful, 4 mom zone fucks

[slim tinsel]

definetly hit something before going on the run

[analog flicker]

The life of true solo players

[coarse grail]

people soloing D and E tier levels are playing a different game

[junior latch]

tbh it rly depends on the level

[burnt flume]

maybe you can end up pulling mom zone carefully and clearing the mothers

but I have no idea

[serene berry]

i cannot imagine going through ||mom room || without at least giant kiting

[burnt flume]

there's some cfoam for you to do it, granted you get a good partial pull I guess

[junior latch]

2-3 partial pulls 😐

doable but yikes

[burnt flume]

yeeeeeeep

I guess we'll know when the video is uploaded

[serene berry]

maan, idk how to consistently get 3 partial pulls in a row

[burnt flume]

maybe you just kite the mothers

[serene berry]

esp when they are mothers

especially when that room is so big

[junior latch]

thats just spawn based rly (and scream rng)

[serene berry]

one scream and its over

[analog flicker]

warning. There are single moms in your area. Proceed with caution

[frozen kite]

I will never be that good and I am ok with that

[shut vapor]

Solo players trying to justify solo play being fun

[frozen kite]

I get to be sane instead

[analog flicker]

[frozen kite]

True

[slim tinsel]

im just gonna get like 1k hours on this game and solo stuff for the street cred and what not

[junior latch]

when you solo a level by shooting - pog
When you solo a level by 2 hour kite -

[burnt flume]

I think the 4 mothers sleeping in the same room might not be single

[junior latch]

1k :^ )

[analog flicker]

Solo players saying true solo is fun. Are just masochists

[frozen kite]

They are just each single

[burnt flume]

if you want fun, do duos

solos are ouch

[junior latch]

duos are rly fun true

[coarse grail]

Do you think C1 duo is easier than C1 with bots?

[frozen kite]

1k hours? Damn guys, guess I am a speedrunner.

[serene berry]

that sounds really right

[analog flicker]

Imagine having a trusted partner

Smh

[serene berry]

smh my head

[shut vapor]

1k hours that could have been spent trying to escape Australia

[serene berry]

lolol

[frozen kite]

Help, they won't let us leave the continent.

[junior latch]

1K is neither little nor a ton in this game rly

you can do a lot with it… or not

[frozen kite]

The convict system is real.

[slim tinsel]

wait

[wispy bluff]

Hm. Duo. The ability to have someone do scavenging is too good. Turrets will solve the rest.

[slim tinsel]

you can go into the facility

[analog flicker]

[slim tinsel]

while the reactor tests are going

[junior latch]

R1C1 duo is chill

but r1c1 with bots is also chill

[shut vapor]

Duo c1 means you can have one person keeping the bots in place for the firepower

[junior latch]

1 needs more shooting brain power, the other needs bot ressource management)

[burnt flume]

I'm coming up on 920 hours, I think I got great mileage out of my 600-800 hours section

[coarse grail]

Don't SGX me here Eva 😂 Can you tell relative difficulties apart still? 😄

[junior latch]

oh yea sure

was just thinking

[analog flicker]

SGX Activity

[wispy bluff]

Im assuming they mean actual duo, without bots. Just 2 people.

[frozen kite]

Yes they mean that

[junior latch]

duo is probably harder for most players since you need to know how to carry the load of 2+ players

[coarse grail]

yeah of course

[frozen kite]

Some runners post duo speedrunning

[coarse grail]

having a player instead of a bot is obv better

[serene berry]

how do you mean?

[junior latch]

with bots you have to carry a bit more than 1 persons weight

[coarse grail]

but instead of 3 bots?

[frozen kite]

I think he thought you had to be in the reactor room

[junior latch]

so id say 1 + 3 bots is easier

[frozen kite]

So he wasn't utilising bridge

[serene berry]

OH GOD

[frozen kite]

Which is way better to defend

[junior latch]

the biggest issue is having the bots actually take the right ressources

you can shoot wave 1-7 easily with some early picked up stuff + whats in bridge zone

[wispy bluff]

Bots big dum dub

[junior latch]

then scavenge the last wave

[coarse grail]

I've never actually tried it with bots but I imagine its annoying if you have to leave the frontline before the enemies are done

[frozen kite]

Where were you defending from?

[coarse grail]

and not having much time to loot after inserting code

[wispy bluff]

That's exactly the issue

[junior latch]

this can be avoided by shooting near the hole

[frozen kite]

You can kill wave before leaving frontline for code

[slim tinsel]

the reactor

[frozen kite]

At hole

[mint light]

defend on bridge

[junior latch]

only issues at all will be hybrids

[frozen kite]

Takes about 25 seconds to run to code

[wispy bluff]

Bots do not work with time constraints, because all missions are build around the idea that squads can multitask.

[junior latch]

so just have a sniper sentry or 2

[slim tinsel]

so yall did r1c1 from the bridge

[junior latch]

well yea

[frozen kite]

Yeah, it is horrible to defend from there.

[junior latch]

closer to ressources, better sightline, closer enemy spawns

[frozen kite]

You wanna stay at end of bridge and defend in front of the hole

[serene berry]

ohhh ya, bridge, and the hole south of it, are the way

[frozen kite]

You can stand in the middle of the digger there too

To avoid most melee enemies

[wispy bluff]

This reminds me that my only C1 wipe was in the tunnel leading to the reactor

Sightlines are kinda cringe in there

Bridge though... Sniping galore

Imagine if sleepers could attack and damage the reactor

[shut vapor]

Average reactor moment

[frozen kite]

I thought about that in general

An actual "defense"

Of a structure

[serene berry]

or if sentries had HP

[frozen kite]

I think GTFO is too jank for it though.

[burnt flume]

they could maybe try emulate it

just have the object be unreachable and you just have to survive at an extraction point for 90 minutes while someone drops you resources/items

[frozen kite]

:3

[junior latch]

kiting

[serene berry]

i saw what you said

[shut vapor]

R7c2 secondary

[junior latch]

@shut vapor was thinking where there was a XII

[shut vapor]

Oh

Wait

R7b3 secondary

[serene berry]

not in vanilla is there

[frozen kite]

Heroes never die

[shut vapor]

About the survival

But no, no class 12 lel

[burnt flume]

ok, right. You make the entire mission a straight corridor with 1 or 2 sector doors (no regular doors because doorbug). At one end is the drop down, the other is the forward extract/defend point)

[junior latch]

yea thats why i was confused with them mentioning XII

[shut vapor]

Wasn't there a pseudo class 9 S on r5d1

[burnt flume]

yeah there were the funny cluster sustains

[coarse grail]

It would be cool if there was an alarm that just put out all of its scan areas at once so you could plan the route you tackle them in and don't have to wait for travel lines, kinda like the cluster S section in R5D1

[burnt flume]

I think it was a class 8 diminished with 2 cluster sustains

[shut vapor]

BC scans lol

[wispy bluff]

It suddenly dawned on me that R5 is coming

[frozen kite]

I am sure that exists in the forbidden land of mods.

[wispy bluff]

For 0,01 of a second I felt despair

[shut vapor]

They do but they are glorified cluster scans

[frozen kite]

Several interesting scan types do anyway

Ah

[shut vapor]

The interesting scans are the duo and trio scans

But i know why they'll never be added to vanilla

[frozen kite]

Because the development team is a skeleton crew due to cyberheisting it up?

[shut vapor]

No

[coarse grail]

I was thinking thats a simple answer but didn't want to get all doomer xD

[serene berry]

thats the ALT ceew

[shut vapor]

Scans either require everyone or 1 person

[serene berry]

they will bring back actual resources and team time for R8

[frozen kite]

I know, I just wanted to be a memelord

[serene berry]

they have to

[shut vapor]

You can't guarantee that for 2 or 3 size

[frozen kite]

sweats

[serene berry]

they have to, right?

[coarse grail]

guys? guys??

[shut vapor]

[soft zinc]

[serene berry]

[soft zinc]

[frozen kite]

Couldn't the scan just then scale off a percentile

You need 75% of total team

So 3/4

2/3

[shut vapor]

Naw but like if you are solo

[frozen kite]

So on

[shut vapor]

What do

[frozen kite]

Then it would just act as a solo

[serene berry]

flash scans are cool

[frozen kite]

Basically an adaptive scan

[shut vapor]

Devs aren't interested enough for adaptive kinds of scans

[coarse grail]

do they complete instantly?

[shut vapor]

The real shame is no team scan on extract

[frozen kite]

Though I am probably asking for too much coding work

That is true

[shut vapor]

Only with a full team of 4 in it

[coarse grail]

oh thats neat

[frozen kite]

Actually needing your team to survive

[shut vapor]

Otherwise its slow as balls

[frozen kite]

Makes greater stakes

And can't just have one person run off to kite.

[shut vapor]

We also need cluster T scans

And C scans

(idk what c scans are)

[frozen kite]

How about a scan that only works on a Tuesday relative to your timezone and with sawn off shotgun equipped.

[coarse grail]

Scan that toggles between increasing and decreasing progress when players are inside every 4 seconds

[frozen kite]

Oh so you gotta dance in and out?

[coarse grail]

yeah xD Sounds really annoying

[frozen kite]

Might be asking too much coordination

[coarse grail]

Jim get in the scan! Not now! get out!

[frozen kite]

Lag delay aside too

[shut vapor]

Ritual scans where you need to stand in the correct region to progress. And you tell by deciphering a sigil in the scan

[frozen kite]

I read region as religion

[serene berry]

Regular scan circles, unless you get all four people in, then it flash completes

[wispy bluff]

Love hanging fruit: a scan that is proportional to amount of dead enemies.

1 striker = 1%

I'm surprised it's not a thing...

[frozen kite]

Also true

[shut vapor]

Scans which explode on completion

[coarse grail]

So the more you kill from inside the more it goes up?

[serene berry]

they despawn now

[frozen kite]

On the topic of things we want ingame

I want scout that walks on walls and roof, thanks.

Or just some enemy like that.

[wispy bluff]

Maybe it's not even you who must be in the scan but the enemies. Like a dedicated kill zone.

[shut vapor]

I want enemies that move through the rocks as a mechanic not a bug

[burnt flume]

SPITTERS SPITTERS SPITTERS

[shut vapor]

Scout spitters exist