I'm sick of shooting chargers
#gtfo-chat
wispy bluff
I was the only one to do supply runs, lul
got nice a bioscan booster out of it too, nice
Not that its gonna help with C3... Nothing can help that cursed level.
I dont know, stack bazzilion % dmg on my hel shotgun or something
wispy bluff
cant aim once FPS hits <60
and the level is too claustaphobic while at it too
most of it, anyway...
I just noticed R4 completion helmet is called Panther
And the event variant is Tigris
I see what they're doing there
Now they just need a yellow variant and call it Cheetah
wispy bluff
it hits like 45 and once there i become incapable of close range aiming because i reliably overshoot every whiff
At that point i can only snipe targets running straight at me across a narrow bridge
Ironically, R1C1 is reliable 100 frames. Say what you want about early rundowns, but dear lord they're so stable.
I wonder if lack of alarms got something to do with that.
serene berry
wait, you guys can launch?
burnt flume
Not that its gonna help with C3... Nothing can help that cursed level.
I can help with that cursed level
you know
I think a lot of people can actually
wind vessel
Is it that bad?
analog flicker
Probably
serene berry
no*
burnt flume
if you know what you're doing, not really
but then again nothing is that bad when you have competency
analog flicker
if you know what you're doing, not really
Idk what I'm doing
wind vessel
if you know what you're doing, not really
So for my squad it's bad, got it
serene berry
So for my squad it's bad, got it
me* too
wind vessel
me* too
When you're running a 2 person 2 ai team, everything can go wrong
But unless we stop messing around, we get stuff done
analog flicker
Bots are probably better for teams in general as a 2/2 or 3/1
Players/bots
Aside from specific levels/playstyles
oblique cliff
Bots with Biotracker are OP
analog flicker
Personally I'd prefer not to
analog flicker
I love when I get yelled at to ping enemies and I'm just like.
Bruh. It's on cooldown.
I even gave a call out that more enemies than what were pinged are approaching from the front
But some people NEED that Dorito to be above the enemy before they can shoot them
serene berry
whenever a player brings bio and doesn't bring two tracker cpu speed up boosters i start screaming into the mic the seal team copypasta
analog flicker
Me who doesn't use boosters often
If anything it's usually to become immune to spicy fog
Or Glow Stick Power to Surpass Metal Gear
serene berry
flashlight power when
swift wyvern
flashlight power when
8v battery booster pls
rough robin
this game doesn't fuck with flashlights enough
give me an enemy that screws with electronics and is hard to spot, so you're desperately looking around while your flashlight and gun sights flicker and fade
serene berry
swift wyvern
give me an enemy that screws with electronics and is hard to spot, so you're des...
Phasmophobia
rough robin
i don't have guns in phasmophobia
swift wyvern
Maybe not in your phasmophobia
wicked solstice
regal mauve
<:RealRockAndStone:956256776171429888>
should I invite them?
wicked solstice
Yes
analog flicker
wispy bluff
Is it that bad?
Overload specifically, very bad.
Main and Sec are okay, pretty standart C stuff.
Hell, its a rare case of Secondary making the level easier upon completion.
But Overload compensates in return and is utter bullshit.
junior latch
utterly exciting*
wispy bluff
Its rather unfortunate that the level takes like an hour to clear with an average pub squad as well. 50 minutes to clear the map and then you roll 80% wipe chance on overload. Lovely way to waste your free time.
wispy bluff
Its a clear. Box checked ✅ , the day is won, content has been experienced to its' logical conclusion, the game has been played to the end.
Colloquially it is called "Winning", which is what most video games are designed and played for.
lofty grotto
hey all
wind vessel
Overload specifically, very bad.
Haven't done overload in a while, so I don't remember much. But if you say so, can't say I don't trust you
spare bloom
anyone on R2 at all tryin team>
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rose nova
just some advice!
ask to not be carried, be sure to do the tutorial first [Training], start on rundown 1 and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur vc
in case ur
new n stuff
in case u are not just follow the other two
shut vapor
just some advice!
ask to not be carried, be sure to do the tutorial first [Train...
Ask to be carried, fastest way to get clears 😎
mighty juniper
r1c2 is painful
mighty juniper
I think im just gonna use the dmr and high cal pistol to deal with the chargers
winged narwhal
hel revolver is probably a better pick vs chargers
you kill in 4 shots and can pierce a second target
(assuming all shots in range)
burnt flume
For chargers, Hel Gun and Hel Rifle are great picks, Choke Mod too (although you can sometimes miss one shots with it)
burnt flume
it's probably fine if you've got a sentry weakening then
burnt flume
you can certainly make do with high cal, it's not bad by any means in the same way that precision rifle would be
but it's not a premier pick by any means
winged narwhal
You could always get a total special damage booster of at least 20% to onetap them
analog flicker
It was such a nice gun with that 30 damage
aside from the 8m range back then
hmm..
did High cal range get nerfed back to 8m?
or is the wiki wrong
I could've sworn it was buffed to 10
rose nova
when?
analog flicker
in the patch with the damage nerf
rose nova
ah
analog flicker
because iirc the wiki editors use the numbers in the files/code
thick temple
oh maybe it is 8
datablock says 8
analog flicker
then the range got shadow nerfed?
the fuck
I vividly remembering gauging out 8m for the charger/shooter oneshots
thick temple
unless this datablock is wrong idfk dude
worth noting i'm looking at a repo of datablocks
analog flicker
yeah it's all good. The devs are known to not post all changes in patch notes anyhow
thick temple
which shows an update for the falloff end for alt r1 but not the falloff start
if that was the change this whole time and we've all been buffoons
analog flicker
livid gulch
ew Fallout
analog flicker
NPC's in normal clothing threatening me when I'm literally in Power armor wielding a big ass gun in their face
wicked solstice
Yakuza logic
analog flicker
Kiryu imposter trying to fake out the real Kiryu
livid gulch
NPC's in normal clothing threatening me when I'm literally in Power armor wieldi...
fuck now you made me want to see a mod where what you're wearing can intimidate
but I doubt many RPGs go into that depth
winged narwhal
it shouldn't be that hard to implement because new vegas had faction armor
livid gulch
yeah but how would balancing go
winged narwhal
probably either take an average of the armor's stats, or sort them into tiers and then preform a check based on what tier your gear is
rough robin
then the range got shadow nerfed?
the long-range damage got buffed but the falloff still starts at 8
so falloff is less harsh
narrow oracle
may i ask which one is better? Veruta or arbalist.
rose nova
um arbalist is real good if u dont like recoil but dmg, it is very nice cause of the sight n stuff
and its very easy to use
veruta is a bit more recoil heavy, but it does shoot more bullets n has a bit more ammo
so its just a bit of taste, i think veruta has more stagger too
narrow oracle
Tks i think veruta is more efficiency when defend, dealing with charger but weak with big one, but arbalist had more dmg and lower recoil so is more easily to deal with big one, and also good at defend
rose nova
i personally like more the veruta but choose more the arbalist cause its way easier to use
narrow oracle
Ye, most of time i use veruta cuz i have high sensitivity mouse
gleaming marten
русские?
modern verge
Huh
junior latch
@raven lake @balmy moat probably a better idea to discuss stuff here tbh (without a 5 min timer)
raven lake
TRUE
balmy moat
Carbine does not belong in C tier
junior latch
its all kind of fucked up 
raven lake
hot takes with bois
raven lake
not sure if we copped it out or not
boreal yew
"S"niper = S-tier, "A"utopistol = A-tier, "C"arbine = C-tier. I don't see what's wrong
junior latch
whats "funny factor"
raven lake
autopistol go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
balmy moat
Yea autopistol go brrr but otherwise can’t do shit 😭😭😭
raven lake
funniest thing i've ever seen
junior latch
if ya want an honest opinion on the tierlist based on gun strength, tell me/us 
elfin osprey
are we making a tier list?
balmy moat
Hel revo strong though
raven lake
if only scattergun was still here
junior latch
Hel revo S-tier guy^
i mean thats just common sense
balmy moat
- every GTFO speedrunner
junior latch
- every GTFO speedrunner
player*
raven lake
real
junior latch
rarely dmr
junior latch
the what
raven lake
burst malatck hits just right personally
junior latch
its good, not too insane tho which is nice
raven lake
yeah, its like the sledgehammer of mains
and then you reload cancel
also machine gun veruta actually s-tier og
reload cancel w/ that is insane against anything
balmy moat
It has a dumb stagger value now lol
raven lake
true
i still remember pre-nerf heavy assault
so cracked
and SCATTERGUN
MY BELOVED
junior latch
yeah, its like the sledgehammer of mains
eh
sledge is mostly the best at everything with some slight "oks", so more like carbine
raven lake
can't speedrun the entire family tree anymore 😭
true, i feel like carbine/burst is mostly preference
from sights to the burst type
junior latch
so cracked
was good, not insane tho
carbine is far superior than burst rifle
but thats just cuz its insane
burst rifle is very solid
raven lake
four-round burst is a bit weird w/ ammo efficiency tho
hard to notice but the over-damage gets noticable on longer runs
insane stopping power though
junior latch
it 2 bursts enemys
raven lake
personally, like the malatack better since the recoil rebounds into the head and the higher precision mult
more ammo efficient w/ better aim
generally though van auken is literally cracked
i remember running it all the time
that ammo count is literally unreal
mystic moss
nah opinions kinda on par with the majority of players
raven lake
personally, sniper is b-tier now
oh my god
the ammo died from nerfs
i remember when the entire squad carried snipers for the kraken fight
fastest speedrun on the planet
junior latch
nah opinions kinda on par with the majority of players
PR isnt S tier tho 
raven lake
das not pr
mystic moss
pr isn't even on the list 💀
raven lake
we forgot lol
raven lake
the entire s-tier is literally what the squad just mains for specials
junior latch
@mystic moss @raven lake thats the joke
PR not being S tier means this isnt the average pub/beginner opinion
raven lake
the fourth member typically just runs double of one of them
there's a reason its not there
pr is like
hmmmm
not sure how to put it
junior latch
its bad
theres 1 level where its unironically a decent choice
and somehow thats e1
raven lake
its like
imagine dmr
but you like
throw into a dumpster fire
and then doused it in sulfiric acid
only reason to run it is the thermal
but you can get that on pdw, which is... okay
mystic moss
please stop pr slander !!
find a different gun to bully
raven lake
TRUE
pine root
please stop pr slander !!
find a different gun to bully
can we bully dmr
raven lake
dmr is funny
pine root
still having the reload bug
raven lake
too funny
pine root
pretty funny
raven lake
its like
the go-to weapon for the people who solo rundowns
just slanderous enough to be considered king if you finish a rundown but not so slanderous that you can't finish a rundown
little ridge
Uh wait another weapon tier list? Can I see it?
mystic moss
nah nah combat shotty needs another buff 😉
raven lake
combat shotgun we decided to execute
little ridge
Same for Shotgun tbh I've started using it again and it's very solid
little ridge
Pistol (Rifle but worse) is 2 tiers higher than Rifle
wary marlin
Uh wait another weapon tier list? Can I see it?
maybe its a reverse tier list, like worse guns in gtfo...
raven lake
shelling funny because pistol go brrrrrrr
wary marlin
pistol cant brrrr, only pew-pew
raven lake
we always run machine pistol if we want to do a funny run
hearing it go brrrrrrr on a single dude is the funniest sound on the planet
HEL machine pistol surprisingly not the worst choice on main ngl
just because of the overpen rounds it gets bonus points
so funny to run it as a group and somehow finish an run
wary marlin
'somehow'...hmmm...mmm
raven lake
og machine pistol though
absolute slander
sound of BRRRTTt not as funny as the HEL version
wary marlin
i dont like machine(and hel) pistol...i prefer killing eff over staggering
raven lake
real use though, complete agreement
just really funny to use with freebird in the background
junior latch
i mean machine pp technically has good dmg overall
wary marlin
but dps...
raven lake
takes too long to unload though
junior latch
just awful range and low dmg per bullet issue
junior latch
thats hel pp
raven lake
pretty much
what's your opinion on arbalest?
the slower machine gun
its F on the tier list but that's only because its not veruta (the faster machine)
junior latch
its good
floral verge
why is it F?!?!
i think that machinegun is actually controllable with the spray transfer unlike the other ones
doesn't waste too much ammo
mint light
I dont find any people to play
va dans les channels LFG ici ou sur le discord FR
modern verge
I dont find any people to play
.t lfg
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potent basin
Thanks guys
floral field
Hey guys, i've been contemplating buying this game for a week or so now but the trouble is, none of my friends seem interested in getting it. Is anyone currently playing this solo? If so, what has your experience been like? Is it better with friends?
wicked solstice
Hey guys, i've been contemplating buying this game for a week or so now but the ...
Solo in GTFO is incredibly hard, if your friends aren’t interested you can use the lfg channels in the server
When I say incredibly hard I mean it, soloing even the easiest levels can seem impossible. If you’re uncomfortable LFGing, I will say that GTFO has an extremely friendly/welcoming community, but it’s not really the kind of thing you can scrape by solo without pouring hundreds of hours in
elfin osprey
When I say incredibly hard I mean it, soloing even the easiest levels can seem i...
r7a1 is easy
wicked solstice
Hey guys, i've been contemplating buying this game for a week or so now but the ...
You can use bots in solo play, they’ll get you through most A and B tier levels
wispy bluff
Hey guys, i've been contemplating buying this game for a week or so now but the ...
Solo will not get you far. Bots exist, but they're suboptimal and kinda buggy sometimes.
They'll get you through As, Bs and C-tier missions, but once you hit D-tier, ESPECIALLY secondary objectives - their issues will become extra apparent and you'll get hardstuck.
There is a mission right now that i wiped on like 5+ times already and that's WITH full human squads from local LFG channels. This game can be really mean when it wants to.
rose nova
im noticin there isnt a complete weapons tier list
some lack the hel shottie or the autopistol
so im just gonna make one real quick
wispy bluff
Don't bother
let us wait until they release the rest of the weapons first
You'll have to update such list every 4 months
plus minus extra after a week when things get nerfed
rose nova
um not really i just have to copy the images and then like add em every 4 months
its not impossible
its just i gotta remember it :b
mint light
let us wait until they release the rest of the weapons first
you mean heavy smg and sawed off
not much fun to come
rose nova
but scattergun
wary marlin
double tap rifle
wispy bluff
you mean heavy smg and sawed off
There's a decent chance they will add something new in R8.
But that's not coming up any time soon, too early for speculation.
eager gull
How should me and my Fellas deal with a room when its got like 3 Big Guys all snoozin
rose nova
um all they together or r they like far away from eachother?
eager gull
somewhat far away, im also still pretty unused to things so im not super sure how far is a safe distance
pale hemlock
all stack up behind one and wack at the same time is the short version
rose nova
well as long as they arent like, less than a couple meters away u can kill one as long as the other one isnt glowin
so three options, u sneak past em if u dont need to kill it, if u think they r far away enough u get ur whole team yeah behind it and u all hit it at the same time
or third, u shoot em off, specially if u have a sniper or a big gun since a sniper can take 3 bigs in one mag if u headshot all of em
mint light
How should me and my Fellas deal with a room when its got like 3 Big Guys all sn...
hammer them down
eager gull
Ah see the issue is i have a medical condition called a "Skill Issue" yeah its terminial. may get one of my buddies to run a sniper though
rose nova
its ok its a very common one i have it too :]
and well u dont need a sniper either u can have just a shotgun, a burst cannon a hel rifle a hel gun
they can still take a big one down in a mag, maybe even more
a burst cannon on the back kills a big one in a single burst
so just, depends on the mission u goin in, see whats it like and choose guns accordingly to it! :3
mint light
Ah see the issue is i have a medical condition called a "Skill Issue" yeah its t...
that will handicap you in the long run
better train now
wispy bluff
How should me and my Fellas deal with a room when its got like 3 Big Guys all sn...
Jump them
One guy starts by hitting it to the back of the head (prefferably hammer or spear, especially spear - for that extra... 3 points of damage?...), the rest hit it either on the spine or the limbs.
4 coordinated hammer / spear backstabs usually immediately drop giants, and if not 1 frontal attack usually finishes it off.
Fully charged attack to the limbs break their limbs which forces a stagger animation, so you can keep the thing stunlocked until it dies. It won't even have an opportunity to scream and wake up the room.
Because of this some people can even solo giants by just methodically breaking all of theirs limbs dead space style. But it only works if you full charge the attack.
Bat can stunlock them period, that thing got insane stagger.
Knife though... Knife users just avoid giants, generally. There's not much they can contribute.
rose nova
um
here bat user to correct u
bat doesnt have insane stagger, a full charge is the same as a full hammer charge
i love my bat i really do but it is not great on bigs cause of the low damage
so in a team it works as a coop weapon
staggerin the big one when needed
but by itself its not really that great since it needs a lot of hits
wispy bluff
Yeah, that's what i mean - it at least can contribute the crowd control
But knife is out of job for this one
Its welcome to join, but uh...
keen surge
can't you solo giants with bat easily because full charge is fast and is enough to stagger ?
wispy bluff
I always find the knife's stabbing sounds funny when taking out a giant. Some guy out there shankin away at a meat closet.
keen surge
I don't play with the bat myself but a friend of mine does and he doesn't seem to have any problem soloing giants
rose nova
can't you solo giants with bat easily because full charge is fast and is enough ...
u can, it is a bit easier but at the same time
not skdmk
so theres two problems, one is low dmg, u need a lot of hits to do it, second is the animation, staggerin cas a cooldown and theres a lil bit of a possibility u hit too early or too late and u sont stagger or get slapped :[
wispy bluff
I don't play with the bat myself but a friend of mine does and he doesn't seem t...
Basically yeah, you have the ability to do that. Its simultaneously boring and risky because you have to smash the thing some 10 times before it dies and if you miss or fail to stagger - you get a haymaker in return.
rose nova
das why bat is the coop weapon, with 4 people or bots it becomes much more nicer :3
wispy bluff
And just great for small clear in general. Less sophisticated than knife, breaks locks quickly...
rose nova
it is the combo of the hammer n knoife, fast but dmg :O
coarse lily
das why bat is the coop weapon, with 4 people or bots it becomes much more nicer...
bat can kill giants almost as fast as a hammer, easy solo giant kill too
rose nova
as fast? um no not really
i mean its facts has less dmg
from the front takes 10 hits to killa big
hammer needs 5
not countin occiput hits nor back hits
junior latch
i mean in a solo it might? I dunno the dps numbers of bat and hammer 😐
but the upfront dmg of a charged hammer with 2 or more people is just overwhelming (its the same for breaking doors in this manner)
coarse lily
from the front takes 10 hits to killa big
hammer needs 5
hammer takes 6
rose nova
ah right
coarse lily
you can also tap kill giant with a bat solo so it's not that hard to time it or anything. The real downside is that how much movement and space it takes for bat to solo kill giant vs hammer, spears does it better than both of them btw.
or just get another person with a hammer with you and kill the giants together super fast
junior latch
hammer does it better than spear
lower charge requirement to break limbs + general stagger being a failsafe
coarse lily
hammer does it better than spear
i meant as in how much you have to move from your original spot to kill a giant, not how safe it is. Hammer indeed is much safer than spear
junior latch
ah
coarse lily
bat is indeed in a weird spot for melee, very usable but not popular. I dont get why people have to dogpile on it like it's as bad as the spear.
wicked solstice
yeah
junior latch
it kind of sits between knife and hammer
but its not like you sacrifice anything with hammer
wicked solstice
It’s really good if you learn it well, esp if you master killing scouts
junior latch
so its just a „i want small clear faster than hammer, but i dont want to comit for it“
coarse lily
Also the lock taps
use dmr
coarse lily
i used DMR
wicked solstice
I just don’t like how the arrow points down and is like “shoot here”
And you dont
coarse lily
😭
coarse lily
I take DMR because it sounds the coolest to me
we are literally having the exact opposite preferences and it scares me
junior latch
so im just gonna make one real quick
Where is it huh
wicked solstice
I mean i usually run AR
Ar, sometimes hel revo, hel shotty/veruta if I’m feeling like a degenerate
coarse lily
AR is possibly my least used weapon
I usually run DMR/Shotgun -- DMR/Sniper -- DMR/HAR -- DMR/Hical -- DMR/Helgun
and replace Hel revo with any of those combos
wicked solstice
I also enjoy MP/burst cannon
coarse lily
DMR/DMR if im feeling good
wicked solstice
Bc they both sound so mmmmmm
junior latch
I also enjoy MP/burst cannon
substitute mp for hel pp
sharp owl
wicked solstice
Yeah we can move here
junior latch
@wraith marsh i unironically think that aside from revo and PR the specials are in a good order tho tier wise
wraith marsh
dmr gets more ammo than I remember nvm on that
also rifle I realized my bias on hel revo is
a bit high
junior latch
dmr is severely underraed recently for some reason
wraith marsh
I do love dmr
rose nova
the scope mostly
wraith marsh
I used that shit for r7e1
wicked solstice
I miss prenerf high cal :(
wraith marsh
same
rose nova
same :[
wraith marsh
I wanted to put high cal higher but
wicked solstice
I know it was pretty busted but it feels so sad now
junior latch
it wasnt even busted
wicked solstice
Loved that shit on R7E1
wraith marsh
it was simple
wraith marsh
honestly they couldve butchered its precision multi to keep choke mod in place
wicked solstice
I think choke and hCP could’ve coexisted
junior latch
I think choke and hCP could’ve coexisted
old stats were TOO similar
junior latch
honestly they couldve butchered its precision multi to keep choke mod in place
not with hel rifle coming
wicked solstice
mmmm true
junior latch
im not gonna ping fn
wraith marsh
true yeah
I was confused when they nerfed it cuz I knew hel rifle would come eventually
junior latch
but him (as a high cal spammer) and me had long discussions about high cal v choke
i mean the change now makes sense
wicked solstice
i just miss the 1 tap charger stuff from E1
junior latch
making it a unique gun
wraith marsh
every situation I used to bring high cal I just bring revo or combat shotty now
junior latch
thats weird o.O those barely overlapped
wicked solstice
it was nice as a one pop on sleepers, I wish chargers had like a little less hp than shooters so that you still have to aim at shooters
wraith marsh
(not the 30 damage vers)
wicked solstice
Or shooters a little more idk
junior latch
ah, current high cal is low skill revolver basically
wraith marsh
yeah
junior latch
higher base dmg making it better vs stuff like giants
wicked solstice
Yeah
junior latch
but not by muchc
wraith marsh
30 damage vers id just always bring
wicked solstice
It feels like what spear is to hammer
wraith marsh
unless its a very small heavy and resource lacking level
rose nova
the recoil on it its already kind of bonkers tho
wicked solstice
And ik i didn’t have to
Or a higher shot delay
To differ from choke
Cuz choke can just vomit out all four rounds at once
wraith marsh
give it a .667 precision multi
not negative damage on giant head and just
straight up worse on anything with precision then compared to choke, even more so than before
wicked solstice
Negative damage?
wraith marsh
less than .667 means you actively do less damage when shooting the front of a giants head
1.5 x .667 = 1
wicked solstice
Oh bruh
wraith marsh
(its why the minimum precision multi is .7413 rn)
any less and it just stops making sense to gamers
wicked solstice
oh lol
tall quiver
What rundowns can you do with just bots? Can't really host a game since latency is poop for other players, so I'm trying to clear what I can with bots.
rose nova
What rundowns can you do with just bots? Can't really host a game since latency ...
u could get r1 and r3, a lot of r2 and some of r7
idk about r4 tho
tall quiver
I tried R1C1 and I couldn't do it haha.
wicked solstice
R6 (when it comes out)
rose nova
by r4 u wouldve gained the experience skmdk
tall quiver
Ammo ran out and bots keep following me to the terminal
rose nova
holdd on there was a copy pasta of c1 made by a user :O
mint light
I tried R1C1 and I couldn't do it haha.
R1 is the easiest with bots.
dry fractal
I tried R1C1 and I couldn't do it haha.
r1c1 2 sniper turrets, 1 burst turret, biotracker on a bot and shuffle the tool refills closer to the reactor. Thats how I beat it.
tall quiver
Awesome! Thanks for the help ya'll!
pine root
give it a .667 precision multi
You would still do more dmg cause you should be think about it in terms of 1.67
The base dmg dmg without headshot is still applied your bonus dmg is just not double
wraith marsh
is it not dmg * prec multi * head multi
dry fractal
Im newish and the chargers on r1c2 are giving me trouble with three bots. any tips for loadouts?
junior latch
You would still do more dmg cause you should be think about it in terms of 1.67
?
1,5 x 0.66 is less than 1
junior latch
so shooting a giant head with a prec multi below 0.67 is less than base dmg
pine root
You do them independently
pine root
You do base dmg + precision* headshot
So you get the base dmg no matter what
It is the baseline
wicked solstice
Tbh i never actually know this so thx jish
pine root
it just means you get a normal amount of dmg and you can set the head shot muit to 0.00002
junior latch
You do base dmg + precision* headshot
This formula doesnt work
junior latch
sniper would do 43 dmg on giant headshot
pine root
Base dmg is base dmg
pine root
It is close to what it is
There is no fucking way
They set up this system and have a multiplier that can make you do less dmg
rose nova
Im newish and the chargers on r1c2 are giving me trouble with three bots. any ti...
usually hel shotgun worls really great cause of its stagger, its a main weapon that taggers very well and can deal with an entire wave of its own, aprt from that, the special weapon should b able to one shotgun, either a shotgun or a hel rifle [that ive heard is a very goo choice] could b very useful; normally in the lvl 2 sentries and one mine or 3 sentrios are good, and the bio is always nice :3
the bots normally work better with automatic long range weapons, but maybe somethin like a hel revo could work in this lvl too
junior latch
They set up this system and have a multiplier that can make you do less dmg
well they dont
pine root
Unless they have brain sucked out through a tube
wraith marsh
(ie never lower than .7 smth)
junior latch
thats why it doesnt exist as a multi
junior latch
(ie never lower than .7 smth)
0.67
wraith marsh
I have seen mods where they had a 0 precision multi effectively
junior latch
lowest head multi is 1,5 so go off of that
wraith marsh
but I have no clue how they did it
yeah I know eva, but there isnt one of those in game is there?
wraith marsh
unless im mistaken
pine root
I will test it right now
A 19 dmg pistol
With a .5 headshot muit
Shouldn’t be able to kill a striker in your guys mind
Yeah?
pine root
.3 19 dmg wouldn’t kill sticker
wraith marsh
ye
junior latch
.3 19 dmg wouldn’t kill sticker
yep
could also test with 20 dmg and 0.3 multi (not 0.33 but 0.3)
pine root
Okay
ivory pier
ok
dry fractal
usually hel shotgun worls really great cause of its stagger, its a main weapon t...
Thanks, I'll try it!
ivory pier
Im newish and the chargers on r1c2 are giving me trouble with three bots. any ti...
i read it as jewish and it was a lot funnier that way
rose nova
Thanks, I'll try it!
good luck! usually the level is very setup dependent so use the chokepoint as well as u can and choose sentries accordin to em! usually shotgun sentries work pretty well :3
dry fractal
My current way I work the missions out is that I go in with an all purpose loadout and tweak and bang my head against the wall till it works lol
pine root
Tbh i never actually know this so thx jish
i am wrong
i just asssumed they did dmg in the right way
wicked solstice
junior latch
i just asssumed they did dmg in the right way
Huh
pine root
Tbh i never actually know this so thx jish
what fov do you play on
120 fov is actually the best way of playing them game.
wicked solstice
85
junior latch
it should just be base dmg
why tho
wicked solstice
I get motion sick at higher than like 100
junior latch
it makes more sense if 0 precision multi is 0 dmg
pine root
because basing things on zero is better
junior latch
since 1 precision multi makes a headshot multi take 100% of the dmg
junior latch
1x prec multi = base dmg x headshot multi
junior latch
jish… how would 0 base dmg make sense
pine root
not this moving scale depending on sleepers
wicked solstice
Yes
wraith marsh
itd make sense if it was + %
pine root
itd make sense if it was + %
this is 1
0 would be what system it seems they are going for
junior latch
yea, but then youd need -% to get say dmrs body shot high enough while still not 1 shotting on hs
no they are working with a 1 x multi
its simple?
pine root
it seems like it is werid
junior latch
i think you overcomplicated smth earlier
pine root
we could just use a better scale
junior latch
i dunno if this saying exists in english
but you arent seeing the forest due to all the trees
junior latch
their system makes a ton of sense math wise
wicked solstice
but you arent seeing the forest due to all the trees
Thats it kind of:
You’re missing the forest for the trees
junior latch
when you have different headshot multis for enemys
wicked solstice
Sure
junior latch
do you want to see why
oh god
pine root
so on 120 fov i can rez and shoot
wicked solstice
Ohhhh this
wicked solstice
It’s bc the reticle’s don’t scale right?
analog flicker
Well it's more ADSing is set to fixed FoVs
Hence why if you set it to the lowest FoV.
And then you aim your guns.
Your ADS has more FoV than your hip fire stance
There is a mod out there that removes that FoV on ADSing iirc
But it's kind of wonky if you're already used to the zoom/fov of the base Ads of guns
At best The machine guns feel like they have less recoil visually
Har when I tested it wasn't that bad.
(To be specific I tested this when HAR still had a stupid amount of recoil)
wicked solstice
i forgot what R1C2 was again
Chargor
wicked solstice
O_o yes chargers
wispy bluff
Yeah, HEL rifle is pretty much the dedicated anti-charger weapon at this point, nothing comes even close.
mighty juniper
Were you true solo or bots or what
bots and a friend
we were using everything other than the hel rifle
and then we finally used the hel rifle and it was easy
junior latch
What was the change again?
0.1 to 0.2 charge up time
basically halfing dps and making shots minimally harder to hit
Gun is still rly rly good. But now harder to use
opal delta
the hel rifle was a good idea
Wait for 29.01 dmg on hel rifle
rose nova
Finally beat R1C2 after so many tries
noiiiice >:3
d1 isnt that much harder so u almost there !!
:D
opal delta
Finally beat R1C2 after so many tries
Be prepared
R2 is much harder
wicked solstice
basically halfing dps and making shots minimally harder to hit
Gun is still rly...
It’s like a feel nerf tbh
Hard in the first few hrs then u get used to it
And deeps definitely not halved bc of reload
coarse lily
<@155683079485259776> ya put it in S tho
and its so 😐 rn
I did? my bad... it's still somewhat valid
burst cannon is more skill-oriented now so im happy with the way that it is
wicked solstice
Uhhhh it didn’t affect me at all with it
coarse lily
prenerf Burst Cannon in R7D2 was bonkers
wicked solstice
Literally such a tiny nerf, still does the same thing
junior latch
burst cannon got a ton of skill ceiling just cut off
cant deal with strikers in the same way at all
coarse lily
Literally such a tiny nerf, still does the same thing
tipped the scale a bit, not as ammo efficient against the smalls as before, mainly a giant killer
junior latch
litteraly cut the efficiency in usual situations by below half
charger scouts are slightly more risky
giants need a slight extra push ontop of what they needed before
recoil change is rough
once scattergun comes burst cannon in current state is gonna be super questionable
coarse lily
I think scattergun would be ranked below burst cannon in most situation due to it being so close range and the mag size
junior latch
bc is also close to close/mid range now
coarse lily
Scattergun is just close
junior latch
in exchange it is as insane vs bosses, better vs giants and better vs smalls
mystic moss
yeah not much effort is required to get insane value from scattergun
wicked solstice
I think scattergun would be ranked below burst cannon in most situation due to i...
Scattergun is currently better in all aspects except range
junior latch
burst cannon biggest change for people that werent insane with it is the recoil being annoying
but the gun in the right hand was just broke
now its ok
coarse lily
Im kinda iffy about scattergun against the smalls, super ammo ineffiecient
wicked solstice
And it makes up for that by decimating anything in a 5 ft range
junior latch
Im kinda iffy about scattergun against the smalls, super ammo ineffiecient
kill 2 per shot. Boom, as efficient (or tather moreso) than normal shotty/choke mod
same issue bc had. You kill 2 per burst, suddenly you are shotgun+ vs smalls
luckily now bc sucks at that
wicked solstice
Also scatter one taps anything from the front
120 damage can kill anything straight up, hybrids require a little bit of finesse (clip some pellets into the head)
wicked solstice
Yeah well I’m gonna ditch BC for my BOOMstick
echo nexus
anybody down to play? i have 2 people
serene berry
post in LFG
serene berry
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mighty juniper
How well does the hel rifle do against giants
junior latch
its generally okay
Does good dmg per shot, low firerate makes it take its time tho. Great range and can pierce if you see giants line up.
Do NOT aim for the head with it on normal giants, it is not worth it
boreal yew
Very efficient against giant, low TTK, though.
mighty juniper
I always aim for the head on giants is that a bad thing?
junior latch
eh, „very efficient“ is a broad term
livid gulch
How well does the hel rifle do against giants
pretty shit so might as well take something else such as sniper
junior latch
I always aim for the head on giants is that a bad thing?
depends on gun and why
sniper. Great! Always
Precision rifle. (If you take it for some reason) good! Unless you got a sniper
Mostly all other guns. Litteraly not worth unless you 1. want to stagger the giant or 2. you dont break the head with said headshots (see 1 dmr headshot)
little ridge
its generally okay
Does good dmg per shot, low firerate makes it take its time ...
I'm sure you run the numbers and I'm curious: if you're sure to hit more than 1 giant it's worth it?
As in: 1headshot+1bodyshot on 2 different giants with 1 bullet
junior latch
if you hit 2 giants with every shot you kill 4 giants and hit 2 for 1/4 of their hp
wicked solstice
If your team has someone with a weapon better suited to killing giants on head, let them do it
junior latch
thats slightly above sniper
hel rifle is a decent choice vs giants if you have time to line them up
but the low firerate and neccessity for the line up makes it alright usually
mighty juniper
If your team has someone with a weapon better suited to killing giants on head, ...
yeah ill just do this
junior latch
As in: 1headshot+1bodyshot on 2 different giants with 1 bullet
headshot also litteraly does not matter for hel rifle on giant
wicked solstice
Like if you’re hitting head with Revo and you have a friend on sniper, stop
Trust them
Unless you don’t lol
junior latch
btw the only gun 100% better suited for it is sniper
Burst cannon with support from mains/other players to finish of aswell
wicked solstice
Also scattergun :3
junior latch
Also scattergun :3
2 more rundowns
junior latch
Like if you’re hitting head with Revo and you have a friend on sniper, stop
even without that friend, just stop
not even 2 bonus dmg
little ridge
headshot also litteraly does not matter for hel rifle on giant
what do you mean?
junior latch
like WHY
boreal yew
Short answer, don't aim for giant's head except sniper.
junior latch
what do you mean?
same reason high cal and revo dont wanna headshot giant strikers
wicked solstice
Easier than hitting a limb imo
junior latch
aiming for head takes way longer than 3 body taps
wicked solstice
i mean ig
livid gulch
Also scattergun :3
rundown 6 patch notes:
Scattergun - reduced damage to 16
wicked solstice
junior latch
what do you mean?
Basically. You need 3/4 headshots on hybrid/chicken for it to matter. On giants it wont ever matter
boreal yew
From 4 buffed to 16? sounds busted
livid gulch
I didnt look at the numbers
junior latch
From 4 buffed to 16? sounds busted
The buff we deserve
livid gulch
I shouldve put 1
wicked solstice
It does like 4 damage
With like an excessive amount of pellets
4x32
Lmao
Thats 128 damage
boreal yew
The old day the mother trembled
wicked solstice
God I love Drekker
livid gulch
rundown 6 patch notes:
Scattergun - reduced damage to 16
this does 512 damage
junior latch
also had insane ammo
wicked solstice
BRUH
livid gulch
it was stupidly broken at the start of R6
more damage and more ammo
wicked solstice
But closer to balanced rn
boreal yew
Prenerf scattergun not only 1-sec mother, but also has pierce so it's also crazy good against horders
It's like you fire your entire hel shotgun mag but in one click
formal ember
hi can i get map for r4e1
modern coral
Prenerf scattergun not only 1-sec mother, but also has pierce so it's also crazy...
Did not.
Although it would have been hilarious if it worked.
Pen was broken for shotguns until R7 w/ HEL Shotty.
I almost want to recreate 3-round burst pre-nerf Scattergun + pen, just to see how insane it would have been if it were ever in the game.
Because it was already deleting everything w/out pen.
ocean wasp
whats the best gun
rough robin
single fire SMG
visual lily
Hacking tool
gray pilot
dmr AND combat shotgun
livid gulch
Hacking tool
you'd know because your tool is massive and hackable
rough robin
golok is not good but for early levels it's not gonna make or break your survival
ocean wasp
what about the drekker pres mod
ocean wasp
yea
mighty juniper
Is the bullpup good for dealing with hordes of regular enemies
rough robin
no
livid gulch
yes
rough robin
I mean that goes for -most- main weapons can't fend off hordes by themselves
but bullpup is far down the list
livid gulch
bullpup has a large mag and fast fire rate
modern coral
bullpup has a large mag and fast fire rate
"Large mag" is a bit deceptive when its kills per mag is kind of meh.
Not that bad, but it becomes a problem as soon as you have to reload.
quartz cape
good choice
trim sail
i find the hel shotgun is the best weapon for horde control at close range
combie with hel rifle, 1 person can handle the entire wave
mighty juniper
I havent tried the shotgun yet
trim sail
since the hel shotgun was released, i haven't used combat shotgun once
much better in any aspects
eager gull
So i know there are 4 "characters" people can be, i assume there is no way to change ur lad after ur placement?
wicked solstice
Have host mess around with bot slots
If they have Dauda set to Bot Only you will join as Hackett
mighty juniper
is the carbine just a better burst rifle
normal lake
since the hel shotgun was released, i haven't used combat shotgun once
i personally dont enjoy hel shotgun, like at all. i def prefer something like carbine over hel shotty any day
wicked solstice
i love hel shotty and hate carbine lol
normal lake
gotta love playstyle differences
i dont really like any of the shotguns in the game but if ima use one it will probably be combat shotgun
modern coral
is the carbine just a better burst rifle
Somewhat. Has less range, mostly.
normal lake
i do quite like the consistancy of carbine that and i love having a weapon that pretty much can be used like a machine gun but retains the consistancy of a single shot weapon
wicked solstice
combat shotty is nice for picking headshots
elfin osprey
is the carbine just a better burst rifle
less range, less reward for precision shot
normal lake
if anyone knows do bots get bonus damage from certain parts of the body like hitting the back while meleeing
coarse lily
less range, less reward for precision shot
Carbine is a better Burst Rifle
wicked solstice
livid gulch
furry spotted
elfin osprey
Carbine is a better Burst Rifle
we all know that
warm ibex
furry spotted
glass houses
livid gulch
no you
warm ibex
im not callin someone a furry with an anthro pfp, im clear on this one
pale hemlock
I will
Hey you
You with the anthro pfp, you're a furry
And it's cool that you have your own interests and personality :^)
analog flicker
warm ibex
I will
Hey you
You with the anthro pfp, you're a furry
And it's cool that you ha...
misunderstood the prompt, but he has heart
floral verge
modern verge
opal delta
https://tiermaker.com/create/gtfo-weapons-15795307 there it is
https://tiermaker.com/create/gtfo-all-weapons-15796907
all 34 weapons
elfin onyx
А ЕСТЬ РУСКОГОВОРЯЩИЕ?
pale hemlock
А ЕСТЬ РУСКОГОВОРЯЩИЕ?
elfin onyx
thx!
lime abyss
wispy bluff
Oh man, i missed the bullpup discussion. Oh well.
junior latch
which bullpup discussion
mint light
The one at 5:AM
you missed a lot
sharp owl
Anyone wanna play with me i am not good at english so. If thats okay dm me
modern verge
Anyone wanna play with me i am not good at english so. If thats okay dm me
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modern verge
this might help
strongly recommend reading #how-to-matchmake for how to make a lobby and such, then lfg in #lfg-beginners
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dawn widget
русские есть ?
wispy bluff
crystal tangle
@merry pelican let's try again, next time?
sharp owl
i dont know why vietnam people are really sucks in this game, they are just really annoying so far - make me pissed off
elfin osprey
i dont know why vietnam people are really sucks in this game, they are just real...
Uhmmmmm
sharp owl
rude, and not behavor and keep being annoying like immature kid
talk too much
my ears -
sharp owl
so many vietnams i guess
elfin osprey
I cant kill scout, but keeping up with nik and dj is still ez enough
How many vietnamese player have u met before you ASUME that vietnamese people are bad
elfin osprey
Bro, for real
sharp owl
i just said vietnam people are annoying in this game so far.
elfin osprey
Have i ever play with you?
sharp owl
read well
elfin osprey
you are annoying too
.
sharp owl
blocked already :3
elfin osprey
Great, a new player
sharp owl
XD
elfin osprey
<@&408548765599793173> i would like to make a report about a new player assume all vietnamese player are annoying
elfin osprey
Sorry=((
rose nova
its ok
elfin osprey
Yea
rose nova
i just wanted to know the alpha locations
rose nova
no its the location itself
elfin osprey
Hmmm
obsidian abyss
what an epic conversation
sharp owl
i dont know why vietnam people are really sucks in this game, they are just real...
i agree with you
autumn bobcat
Not the place for that discussion. Keep it to yourselves.
normal lake
i dont know why vietnam people are really sucks in this game, they are just real...
i know why are you is speaking about
pallid zephyr
<#714592367658795019>
<#637481808749133835>
<#664972994250014730>
Thank you very much!
zinc stone
hey guys im going to try to solo a level are mine deployers more useful than turrets?
analog flicker
burnt flume
hey guys im going to try to solo a level are mine deployers more useful than tur...
sentries are generally better because they can continually put in work, but mines can work too
zinc stone
kk ty
junior latch
hey guys im going to try to solo a level are mine deployers more useful than tur...
it rly depends on the level and how much prep/searching you wanna do
say r3a2, obvious mine deployer is obvious
mystic moss
burst sentry will be your duo partner for like 80% of the levels
robust gull
I've heard the auto sentry is borderline op, you know it does work based on the 40 shots per second. It's basic science really
rose nova
auto sentry has low dmg
it isnt meant for killin but staggerin
so for solo runs or, really majority of runs
robust gull
Wrong. It is op and does tons of damage
ivory pier
please commit sniper sentry without bio pings
robust gull
My brain swells and throbs with knowledge.
rose nova
i see it
... yuck
but smort
pine root
My brain swells and throbs with knowledge.
That isn’t how I would describe a hemorrhage
ivory pier
they rly nerfed the non bio sniper sentry just because shadow gx kept saying it was too powerful
i will never forgive him
pine root
they rly nerfed the non bio sniper sentry just because shadow gx kept saying it ...
SGx is the favourite bug tester
ivory pier
thanks shadow gx for the sniper sentry that kills 1 enemy per wave
robust gull
All speedrunners splice everything and are washed up. You ever see the audio of their bathroom logs?? Just saying brothers it doesn't line up just like their gameplay.
Explain that one liberals
Eval man OUT.
lf3 eval 2 PE
robust gull
they rly nerfed the non bio sniper sentry just because shadow gx kept saying it ...
On a serious note the sentry balance has been a hoot to witness. Surprised we haven't seen a hel sentry though. Or something hel not being applied to auto sentry like the auto pistol
Or even adding back damage for auto or shotgun sentry, really.
wicked solstice
please commit sniper sentry without bio pings
This is like the funniest thing i have ever seen wesley say
ivory pier
thanks it means a lot
zinc stone
thanks for the tips guys, imma go flex on my friends i can solo the easiest A1 level
robust gull
People make careers out of bullying me :(
coarse lily
i dont know why vietnam people are really sucks in this game, they are just real...
Yes, they are very bad, much shoot, no stealth, too talk, no carry.
rough robin
Or even adding back damage for auto or shotgun sentry, really.
i think they had this at one point, but took it out cause it was op
robust gull
stop mention me
me mention
radiant ether
stop mention me
Mentioned
thick temple
stop mention me
you should have seen this coming
vagrant veldt
stop mention me
I stopped. I mentioned you. You're welcome.
stark nexus
I like potatoes
celest egret
pine root
i dont care
You should probably think about the things you type lol
sharp owl
You should probably think about the things you type lol
Who cares someone like you whos delsuional and lame.
I just dont like getting messages from stinky weirdos thats all
pine root
Who cares someone like you whos delsuional and lame.
Seems like you care a lot bro. You can just log off leave the server
robust gull
Who cares someone like you whos delsuional and lame.
Just putting in another mention rq
pine root
And your the only one that stinks