I would be so down
#gtfo-chat
pine root
pine root
They need to be op in
Else players would get annoyed they didn’t clear cause of random spawn
rose nova
but ranomizers specially on a game so grand as this, every single detail enemy resource consumable box locker key cell generator door security door scout needs to b weighted
pine root
but ranomizers specially on a game so grand as this, every single detail enemy r...
So there is a mod with this feeling
And it is fun tbh although it seems fucked
Yeah sorry I should have been more accurate. Having more random elements modifiers new tiles new groups of sleepers. Would make my replay ability better. This should probably be optional so players can get intended experience
rose nova
And it is fun tbh although it seems fucked
yeah, but there is another point, im not sayin its impossible
but even if they decide ok lets do this, when do they do it, r8? how much time would it take to this group to do an ai that can make levels of a game with 5 years of development in its shoulders, think of how many movin parts gtfo is; it would take a toll in time resources and all of that for an ai that can make levels
and then, even if they get it workin, the real hard part would b to make it fun to play
cause its then two options, u apologize most mid, borin levels with 'ah its ai im sure there will b one that is cool!' and just talk like one of those ai drawin people, or u get sick after the seventh hsu mission that just feels like r7b3 but w/o the new tiles the overload and all of that
and then, it would be maybe cool, but it would be a tremendous amount of time
why not just, open the code and not let cool people make actual creative, new levels for the most part?
of course its speculation and we dont know if they are gonna do it
but between the two, i think the second would b far better and allow for so many new amazin levels
pine root
why not just, open the code and not let cool people make actual creative, new le...
I agree but I have ideological tendencies that lead me that way
pine root
yeah, but there is another point, im not sayin its impossible
but even if they d...
This isn’t the game that is built I 100% understand
Just if I had the pieces they had it is the way i would have gone.
rose nova
tbh its, a completely fair idea, it is a game that on first hand seems like it would b perfect for ai, it feels like the binding of isaac in its rooms, enemies, even like guns and tool being able to transform a game
but at the end i think its another ai debate like the ones comin up lately
the classic, this ai steals images and then creates one out of 7 that has no personality, and while it is a bit different, at the end the ai would result into mixin 7 levels and throwin a funky result that its rng if its gonna be good or bad, and could b tweakes like how many ais can, but at the end handcraft is just easier, and takes much more time, but leads to new ideas and creativity and all of that
but, im sure evn if they open the code
someone would make a randomizer
so maybs nothin is lost for u and ur funky ideas either :]
like how someone has done one by now even if its wonky as u say
pine root
It was a tile randomizer
Not a level randomizer
It’s one issue was extract rooms sometimes would bread and not spawn
rose nova
well but still im sure one person will actually try to make funky funky rng levels and try to optimize it and make an interestin result
u never know with moddin :]
burnt flume
I'm bored but I've lost all desire to do pubs after getting my ALT 4 completes
Whoops
I could continue running r1a1 solo speeds but like
gah
maybe I just take a break from gtfo
sharp owl
Play darkest dungeon 2 instead
analog flicker
@modern coral I tried 75 vertical fov yesterday. It felt like I got tunnel vision
analog flicker
Ye
sharp owl
Play on 20 fov challenge
analog flicker
55 Fov makes sprinting feel like the walking speed of Higher Fovs
modern coral
I'm bored but I've lost all desire to do pubs after getting my ALT 4 completes
Ngl, I think this might be a lot of vets this patch.
Not really sure why, either.
Expectations for R4 too high, I guess.
analog flicker
sharp owl
I havent played since wiping
modern coral
What do you usually play?
sharp owl
Hello its me rayalot you should pick pistol and sniper
modern coral
No, AP+BC
analog flicker
Rifle/pistol - Shotgun/Helrifle
Recently I've been messing with auto pistol tho
burnt flume
Expectations for R4 too high, I guess.
I had 0 expectations, not sure what to suggest other than game is boring now
modern coral
Ew
modern coral
I had 0 expectations, not sure what to suggest other than game is boring now
Might just be R4 in general.
burnt flume
Play darkest dungeon 2 instead
I would love to but that costs money and learning the game, I have been watching streamers though
analog flicker
Shame BC doesn't one-shot strikers anymore but it'll do
modern coral
That's what AP is for
analog flicker
Not wrong
sharp owl
It does if u shoot them in da face
modern coral
Group them up, apply chip
analog flicker
It does if u shoot them in da face
Instructions unclear. My teammates faces are gone
burnt flume
B2 is cool, D1 is funny but the enemies getting stuck/coming late is a bit annoying
E1 is also cool but like, idk
original is cooler
modern coral
Tbh I didn't appreciate the E1 nerfs until the duo.
Some stuff is minor and makes sense
but, like...
analog flicker
As much as many disagree. I still wish rundown specific weapons existed
modern coral
The level is so boring.
modern coral
Meant duo*
burnt flume
yeah thought so
wicked solstice
I think the first half is really cool, and it kind of falls off in the middle (just main)
burnt flume
the tank section and reactor are cool, high is kinda dead
modern coral
I dunno, I dislike that the stealth sections, the already soloable role, got more resources for no reason.
wicked solstice
Yeah, high kind of has good start and ends, and while I appreciate a high stakes stealth section, it kind of just drags on
burnt flume
at least the duo is harder/cooler in the original because the sustain scan scaling is screwed depending on player count
modern coral
^
It's just really unfortunate that code 6 is now the only hard part of the level.
Like, after we had gotten a ton of practice on everything else...
wicked solstice
Oh are sus scalings fixed?
burnt flume
Oh are sus scalings fixed?
yeah, they were broken in r4, fixed in r5, broken in r6 according to wesley, and fine now
wicked solstice
code 6 is hybrids right ?
wraith marsh
ye
modern coral
Parts of tank error can be finnicky, but it's very specific stuff about how we move through the zones and stay stocked in the first two zones.
wraith marsh
the entire error is just do you find ammo on the way
wicked solstice
Never actually cleared R4E1 but seen plenty of both OG and ALT
wraith marsh
and can you kill a tank
wicked solstice
It’s cool
burnt flume
duo in the OG is kinda brutal
wicked solstice
I think R5E1 kinda works better overall
burnt flume
You need to find ammo for the first alarm and start it quickly, then clean up and kill tank
then loot + clear the next zone, kill a tank, do the S1 alarm, and kill another tank after clearing up
and then you loot + clear the next zone, but the surge is ouch
and you need 150+ hel revo for the surge too, which is a lot of ammo to be carrying
modern coral
I think it says a lot that tank error is both the hardest section and significantly easier in the Alt.
Second hardest behind code 6, I guess.
burnt flume
yeah, your timings are a lot less strict and you can see further through the fog
modern coral
Tbf, some of this doesn't matter for a quad...
But some of it also does.
You have an insane amount of ammo post-reactor, even if you play it poorly. The back of the reactor is super chill. The stealth section is somehow even more skippable. the class VI is a joke...
junior latch
You have an insane amount of ammo post-reactor, even if you play it poorly. The...
you ad this before
back of the reactor?
stealth section biggest difference is singular shadow scouts vs multiple i guess?
class 6 didnt feel like an issue before
wraith marsh
class 6 you had doors before too
the funnel doesnt matter as much cuz the path is still long now but
modern coral
you ad this before
back of the reactor?
stealth section biggest difference is si...
Nearly double resources in catwalks, mom zone, and stealth hub.
And code 6 shadow scout reduction is huge.
You can just quick switch pull every room.
And clean up.
It's ultra-consistent compared to the mess it was before.
burnt flume
- less enemies to kill in 514
I mean yeah I guess pulling charger zone is slightly riskier because it's only one room, but it doesn't change much
modern coral
You can usually partial pull it, too.
Sometimes it's p nasty
like 2 big chargers + 8-10 smalls.
modern coral
But more often it's like 4 smalls and maybe a big.
It's about the same imo.
Was never a hard zone, still not a hard zone.
serene berry
I think thermals also take an edge off of multiple parts of this level as well. for reactor and stealth your bio tracker can be napping and everyone still has perfect knowledge without squinting
wispy bluff
tfw R4-D2 at 50% artefact heat 🫠
burnt flume
artek mate, if you're playing ping me and I'll join if I can
wispy bluff
already making at attempt with some randoms
i've good feeling about this one!
for no reason at all
wraith marsh
if I was playing with a cracked team I MIGHT try grabbing cargo after extreme to see if thats any fun but
other than that im not touching that shit lmao
valid marten
I think thermals also take an edge off of multiple parts of this level as well. ...
PR does make both reactor defend and code 6 quite easy. Even the tank error it's so much easier to see things
shut vapor
other than that im not touching that shit lmao
Which level?
wraith marsh
r4d2
shut vapor
lol
serene berry
That's what I was on, felt so good
wraith marsh
after being enlightened of pdw reload cancell
wraith marsh
it is so good
valid marten
Take both for more fun, no need to choose
modern coral
Good shadow breakpoints, good information tool, good support weapon, less committal in loadout, QUICK SWITCH + Sniper
shut vapor
Both are cool for having thermal sights
modern coral
PDW is significantly better.
junior latch
R4E1 is the only level where PR is at all good
pdw is always good, but is actually rly nice on r4e1
serene berry
Both are cool for having thermal sights
no you're cool
shut vapor
👀
serene berry
imagine if we had sniper sway bug
wraith marsh
I still have yet to see anyone actually bring pr to e1 lol
its mentioned and then never done
wicked solstice
True
burnt flume
eh I've seen other people use it
wicked solstice
Mr Dragon with the BP/PR
modern coral
Although I think I've seen at least one other person on it.
burnt flume
not sure if I can get behind them touting the fact that it makes the reactor a joke and is the most amazing thing but hey
I never trust what that guy says
wraith marsh
lol
modern coral
Thermal doesn't really change the reactor hold imo.
It changes the back significantly.
wraith marsh
yeah double bio is no longer super helpful
modern coral
I would def run double bio in OG if I ran it back.
wraith marsh
I really liked thermals for the stealth part of main as well
modern coral
^
wraith marsh
sped that up for me since I never take bio myself
shut vapor
I really liked thermals for the stealth part of main as well
Good for locating heads easily
burnt flume
I'd still run double bio because I like using bio/hel revo
although taking pdw + mines for blood door makes you easily self sufficient
valid marten
PR would be more friendly if they give it a 10 round mag and maybe 2.5s reload
serene berry
it shouldn't change anything,
but it felt nice for me
happier having a thermal and not spend a biotrack following one leak
and see a shadow at range, salt and pepper it, then biotrack to catch the meat of the wave
serene berry
PR would be more friendly if they give it a 10 round mag and maybe 2.5s reload
or pen
give pr pen :
valid marten
I think having one for defend allows the team to not take bio, but that's just down to preferences, nothing game changing
serene berry
burnt flume
oh my god please no
modern coral
I think having one for defend allows the team to not take bio, but that's just d...
The other tools are too redundant, imo.
serene berry
modern coral
Like, I've seen some groups prefer double bio on defense
Just because two sentries doesn't really do anything but expend tool more quickly.
modern coral
Might even be a good idea to prefer c-foam for tank error alarms.
valid marten
Just because two sentries doesn't really do anything but expend tool more quickl...
I suppose if there are no tags then the sentries won't shoot shadows but only hybrids?
But again yea no need for 2 sentries I guess
normal lake
not counting weird varients of the sentries
i think cfoam is probably least versatile
burnt flume
cfoam is really only for speedruns tbh
serene berry
Might even be a good idea to prefer c-foam for tank error alarms.
how so? for doors?
wraith marsh
does the speedrun strat still work
modern coral
how so? for doors?
Conserve ammo basically.
burnt flume
sniper sentry + bio could take out some shadow scouts
and idk I'd need to ask someone who has been doing speedruns
serene berry
hmm full charge is enough to freeze a tank?
modern coral
No, you'd use it on alarms.
wicked solstice
Uhhh i think tank needs more
wraith marsh
the strat is you spawn cap on first alarm
wicked solstice
Idk
modern coral
There's at least one door per alarm
wraith marsh
and as you run through you foam every door
modern coral
that can be good to foam imo.
modern coral
No.
junior latch
or does delaying 1 delay all others after by 4
wraith marsh
interesting
modern coral
If Tank is spawn blocked, it has to spawn before timer can start again.
wraith marsh
how many tanks were fought in old speedrun, was it 2?
modern coral
Same for all error waves (that use groups)
Apparently current might still be 1, but unsure.
wraith marsh
damn
modern coral
It was easier in OG since second alarm spawned oversized waves.
burnt flume
I'm too scared to ping robert and ask
wraith marsh
more room enemies too
modern coral
Which is a minor nerf to all S1s
wraith marsh
or at least it feels like it
burnt flume
first alarm of ALT spawns enough enemies to block tank spawn
if you're able to manipulate that
in OG it didn't
wraith marsh
oh right it was only 1 cuz you turn off error before removing spawn cap
I miss the drop down gen
burnt flume
yeah, those gens were nice
wispy bluff
Nevermind, we wiped on fucking blood doors of all things lol
the a-holes scouts spawned in the first room in both cases and, we decided to do a multi-pull
so we get 3 B-doors worth of enemies + 2 scout waves supporting them
I swear, this game got it out for me
burnt flume
rip
I've had 2 scouts spawn in 349 A before
had to wait 5 minutes for one to walk by the door to hel gun it
wispy bluff
had such a good cargo spawn too...
wraith marsh
does cargo spawn ever change
burnt flume
yea
wraith marsh
damn
burnt flume
but it's inconsequential really
it can either spawn 3rd room or 4th room from what I've seen
wraith marsh
I had it in the same spot everytime I played
wispy bluff
oh nice
s-scout triggered, important scan door lost
its fine, its only class 2 but still...
burnt flume
there are no important doors for the class 2 cluster
torpid rose
I'm too scared to ping robert and ask
LOL
sharp owl
i am upset
i was under the assumption that the hel gun could 1 shot scouts in the head
i headshot one at point blank
did not die
wicked solstice
Only in back of head iirc
rose nova
yes
analog flicker
am not a cause of making people think helgun could just headshot scouts
wicked solstice
just melee them lol
analog flicker
has often been asked what gun I used to kill a scout almost every time I've done it with "helgun"
junior latch
yea, either need occiput shot or a double tap with body into head (which is way harder now that the charge up time is higher)
analog flicker
yea, either need occiput shot or a double tap with body into head (which is way ...
Muh triple shot charger
wicked solstice
Go ahead. Knife the scout
Ok
junior latch
Muh triple shot charger
hm
sharp owl
yea, either need occiput shot or a double tap with body into head (which is way ...
what the fuck is occiput
huh
rose nova
back of the head
sharp owl
just say back of the head?
sharp owl
reall
junior latch
just say back of the head?
i mean its common to say occi here
its a usual term
sharp owl
i hate it
analog flicker
Get used to it
sharp owl
a
analog flicker
It ain't new
At the very least these fine people aren't spitting out all the numbers and multis at you
wicked solstice
Me when I hate the medical terminology
analog flicker
Me when I hate the medical terminology
Have a milkshake daky
It'll take your mind off the medical terms
🥛
wicked solstice
sharp owl
real
junior latch
At the very least these fine people aren't spitting out all the numbers and mult...
16,25 x 3 x 0,8 = 39
42 > 39
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burnt flume
Hel gun damage x Scout headshot multiplier x Hel gun precision multiplier
42hp = scout hp
39 = hel gun damage on scout headshot
analog flicker
Gimme DMR Headshot on a Striker
wicked solstice
16,25 x 3 x 0,8 = 39
42 > 39
Wtf gun is this
analog flicker
Wtf gun is this
Helgun
junior latch
hel gun
wicked solstice
Bruv
analog flicker
That's headshot to the front
Within damage range too
Imagine if he did damage range statistics
junior latch
Gimme DMR Headshot on a Striker
7,51 x 3 x 0.87 = 19,6011
20>19,6
wicked solstice
F
wicked solstice
grazed by autopiss
analog flicker
2
wicked solstice
Ah yes
wicked solstice
Being literally impaled vs average day in britain
junior latch
insane synergy
have auto sentry on a reactor
and shoot with dmr headshots
they will run into sentry range
and just die
analog flicker
The problem is though. Auto sentry would shoot more than 1 shot for that 0.3 hp striker
A more worthy weapon for the 0.3 hp striker
junior latch
still fine
analog flicker
Scattergun
junior latch
if it shoots 5 times it would still be efficient
junior latch
Scattergun
pre nerf with max special dmg booster
wicked solstice
Nyoom
analog flicker
pre nerf with max special dmg booster
Inb4 the damage booster in aggressive has 20m requirement
modern coral
grazed by autopiss
DMR + HSMG incoming?
wicked solstice
Isnt hsmg main?
storm quartz
HAR was
junior latch
we pray
storm quartz
But they changed it
junior latch
please make it low firerate full auto special
storm quartz
So could be a sign that heavy is the secondary version of primaries
wicked solstice
Please hsmg special
modern coral
That is if it doesn't get added to special catagory
It will be doodoo
wicked solstice
I would love hsmg plus like hel revo
analog flicker
analog flicker
Smh
wicked solstice
So I can give it to bot bishop
analog flicker
Me waiting for sawed off shotgun
wicked solstice
same
analog flicker
AND SCATTERGUN
wicked solstice
So i can also give Sawed to bishop
analog flicker
wicked solstice
bishop about to destroy me with 1 scattershot and then kill himself meleeing 6 bbcs
wicked solstice
wicked solstice
storm quartz
They do be shotguns it is inevitable
analog flicker
I'm curious if they'll nerf/buff sawedoff/scatter tbh
junior latch
hm?
analog flicker
Or leave them untouched
modern coral
tbf choke hel and combat aren’t borked rn
They are?
junior latch
tbf choke hel and combat aren’t borked rn
wdym they arent
also scattergun sway bug is gonna delete teammates
analog flicker
also scattergun sway bug is gonna delete teammates
Instructions unclear. Neonate HSU was Destroyed
sharp siren
heavy smg on special
3.01
35/180pres 0.8
junior latch
you swap and shoot
Shot goes to where shotgun points (bottom left of screen somewhere) instead of straight like all other guns
wicked solstice
Not gonna matter if I hit my teammate in the knee or the head
sharp siren
it was good when you could cancel swap aim the shotgun
wicked solstice
They die all the same
storm quartz
ADS cancel is funny on Bullpup, you shot at a 90 degree angle
modern coral
It's somewhat amusing that sway bug is a shotgun issue, though.
Considering shotguns are some of the swap-iest weapons in the game.
storm quartz
It was a shadow nerf to shotgun equip times
serene berry
Stamina is a shadow nerf to dodge
analog flicker
Checkpoints are a shadow nerf
undone bluff
anyone wanna do run down 1 second mission?
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rose nova
just some advice!
ask to not be carried, be sure to do the tutorial first [Training], start on rundown 1 and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur vc
wispy bluff
Uhm... What's wrong with Heavy Assault Rifle?
rose nova
its not really that description
that fits more the arbalist machinegun
har is pretty rapid fire and not precision
wispy bluff
Technically speaking Precision Rifle should be that
Its full auto for some god forsaken reasons and uses same gun base as Burst Cannon and some others.
Improve recoil, slow down the full auto fire rate, double the mag size...
And we're almost there
icy narwhal
what sight does it have? cuz prolly a 1x would be for the best
wispy bluff
Which one? Precision Rifle uses a thermal sight with a decent zoom, like x2 or x4 maybe. Assault rifle has a pretty basic bitch one.
icy narwhal
the precisino
precision'
if theyre gonna make that the weapon mentioned above then it prolly would need a sight with less zoom for max effectiveness
unless theyre gonna give it good hipfire
icy narwhal
whats the mag size
wispy bluff
8 currently
it used to be 12
But the way it is balanced you use it like a discount sniper rifle
icy narwhal
dmg?
icy narwhal
i would love a low firerate med-high dmg ar of sorts
i want it to act like a lmg with better handling/reload but less mag obv
wispy bluff
Unfortunately the scope zoom is not that great and it tends to have visual artefacts which can make aiming nightmaring, so its exactly a medium range headshot dispenser
icy narwhal
job seems better served by the high cal to me
wispy bluff
high can is backwards to that
it got minimal precision damage, it just hits hard and that's that
icy narwhal
it still gets the base multipliers tho
wispy bluff
also the range damage fall off is very small and quickly falls of
icy narwhal
fair
wispy bluff
I don't know, Precision Rifle is akward right now.
icy narwhal
does the precision at least 1 tap cscouts?
icy narwhal
they dont have a head weakspot
icy narwhal
im talking with a back shot
wispy bluff
Former because no head bonus and giants because you break their head and that's that
icy narwhal
ye
wraith marsh
does the precision at least 1 tap cscouts?
high cal doesnt do that either
wraith marsh
it used to
icy narwhal
you can 2 tap them b4 the scout roars
junior latch
it still gets the base multipliers tho
those legit get negated by its prec multi at times
burnt flume
for charger scouts weapons that kill in one hit are shotgun/choke mod shotgun, burst cannon, and sniper iirc
wraith marsh
hel rifle as well
icy narwhal
hel rifle 1 taps c scouts?
wraith marsh
burst cannon isnt technically one hit but
junior latch
for charger scouts weapons that kill in one hit are shotgun/choke mod shotgun, b...
hel rifle
burnt flume
ah yeah, hel rifle
icy narwhal
damn
burnt flume
the gun I never use
burnt flume
everything but the burst cannon has to be to the back though
junior latch
choke mod
wraith marsh
choke mod can do it from front easy
icy narwhal
is the burst cannon actually good?
burnt flume
I think anyway, I can't remember
junior latch
its niche
wispy bluff
is the burst cannon actually good?
not anymore, no
rose nova
it is
junior latch
its a great boss killer, decent as a simple giant stopper
rose nova
kinda
burnt flume
it's good for killing bigs/bosses
wraith marsh
snipers back to being on top again for big shit
burnt flume
other than that it's not really great against smalls and the recoil is a bit annoying but eh
junior latch
can still do a lot of dmg to waves of smalls… but wont kill them unless you somehow headshot
wraith marsh
for now
wispy bluff
Remind me: did they at least compensate reduced damage with ammo or?
wispy bluff
Roight.
junior latch
Remind me: did they at least compensate reduced damage with ammo or?
huh no, they nerfed the ammo
burnt flume
-5 bullets, -1 damage
icy narwhal
oof
wispy bluff
Perfect.
junior latch
-2 per refill
wraith marsh
and gave it funny recoil
wispy bluff
literally nerfed into irrelevance
icy narwhal
seems like im sticking to the high cal or choke mod for my c scout killing needs
wispy bluff
haven't seen it since
burnt flume
oh come on, I've seen it 5 minutes ago
junior latch
cuz people dont know how to use it and its niche
wraith marsh
gl getting the second shot with high cal lol
junior latch
oh come on, I've seen it 5 minutes ago
i felt it 5 minutes ago
rose nova
burst cannon its not precision rifle now, its still 95 dmg
burnt flume
it's just that for most missions you'd take something more versatile
rose nova
its not so bad that no one uses it
burnt flume
<:musicmommyOMEGALUL:1020778295257743412> i felt it 5 minutes ago
whoops
junior latch
burst cannon is niche, similar to sniper in alt r3 (just different niches)
id rly want them to revert the recoil change
those never go well
burnt flume
yea the recoil is a bit untenable
wispy bluff
that was like the thing about it
wraith marsh
they need to stop giving guns random angle recoil
wispy bluff
and that's the entire point of burst weapons - no recoil
wraith marsh
and just give them generic pull down recoil
burnt flume
I guess it means it reduces effective range/ease of use but eh
wispy bluff
this some ass backwards not just game design, but gun design in general
rose nova
yeah i guess they like noticed it was just that broken and they pulled it down hard
oh cmon dont exaggerate its not like games appeal to real gun design
yes the recoil is stinky
junior latch
I guess it means it reduces effective range/ease of use but eh
which is funny, cuz after the dmg nerf the range doesnt matter unless you are already at the range where youd do 0 dmg
rose nova
but its not breakin laws of physics
wispy bluff
I don't remember the last time i've seen a burst weapon with crap recoil
burnt flume
ah yea that's true, becuase there's no distance where it 1 bodyshots strikers
wispy bluff
Maybe Titanfall 1 Hemlok with 5-Round-Burst sidegrade
boreal yew
The recoil make BC much harder to land all 5 bursts in further range is what he meant I think
wispy bluff
Didn't came back in TF2 btw...
boreal yew
High cal is just reworked
boreal yew
I am, I'm fine with current HAR
coarse lily
revert high cal nerf
I think current hi cal is just fine
rose nova
how about u
use
an automatic sniper instead of a har
wispy bluff
I wouldnt mind if they slow down HAR further and give it even more damage
maybe like 15% in both direction
icy narwhal
I think current hi cal is just fine
i just wanna 1 tap c scouts to back with again
boreal yew
Maybe they'll do that when Heave SMG is back
coarse lily
i just wanna 1 tap c scouts to back with again
you still can
boreal yew
So they can distinguish HAR and Heave SMG better
icy narwhal
as in scouts go off .05 secs b4 lol
junior latch
i just wanna 1 tap c scouts to back with again
theres a lot of guns for that lol
icy narwhal
yeeaaah i will probably just use choke for it
coarse lily
DMR + Hical is pretty consistent
wispy bluff
imagine if they slow down the SMG instead, LOL
icy narwhal
but i like the high cal outside of just using it for that job
coarse lily
imagine if they slow down the SMG instead, LOL
and make a what? Heavy SMG?
icy narwhal
it 1 tapping strikers like a deagle feels real good
rose nova
and make a what? Heavy SMG?
that would b bonkers right
wispy bluff
Literally no one got my joke
coarse lily
it 1 tapping strikers like a deagle feels real good
increased ammo efficiency for a bit of dmg trade off, i'll take it any days
serene berry
I guess it means it reduces effective range/ease of use but eh
i think the R3D1 funny business made them angy
coarse lily
Literally no one got my joke
I thought your joke was that Heavy SMG existed so just bring it back?
boreal yew
He means when they add back HSMG they might make HSMG shoot slower than HAR but hit harder
wispy bluff
Reintroduce Heavy SMG.
Literally HAR, but CQC.
"Hmmm how do we make them different..."
"Oh, i know! SLOW DOWN THE HSMG!"
serene berry
burst cannon change basically is a non factor for r3d1
was it ever necesarry? no
can you dump 2 clips of BC into the boss before it starts? also no
junior latch
? you still can
unless you mean into pmom through warden door
that wasnt good even before with it rly
sniper did it far better
coarse lily
nooooo, dont trivialize my boss encounter, it's supposed to be cinematic >;(
junior latch
pew, pew, pew
Reloads
pew, pew, pew
burnt flume
nooooo, dont trivialize my boss encounter, it's supposed to be cinematic >;(
me when I run away from the warden door to a bugged door
serene berry
sniper did it far better
ya, and i think the over nerf came from the interaction of that plus being good for waves
burnt flume
if the game wasn't balanced for door bug it wouldn't be in the game
coarse lily
you dirty speedrunners are ruining my immersion of this horror slow-paced game
icy narwhal
lmao its tru tho XD
litterally had a guy that refused to stealth on a giant heavy level
wanted to tear hair out XD
junior latch
you dirty speedrunners are ruining my immersion of this horror slow-paced game
imagine shooting pmom in a speedrun
cringe tbh
junior latch
litterally had a guy that refused to stealth on a giant heavy level
What is this… stealth you speak off?
icy narwhal
XD
coarse lily
you're supposed to scream "wtf is that omg guyss"
burnt flume
if you want people to be more scared of giants, make the hammer deal less stagger
make them aim for the limbs
icy narwhal
limbs is still easy tho
burnt flume
(no I am not suggesting we go back to early access, that would be deplorable and I would never want to go back to the time where the movement was better and hammer was cooler)
serene berry
4?
wispy bluff
Make them go for the head
coarse lily
Increase precision damage by like extra 20% or something.
no amount of dmg of spear can you convince me to take the spear
burnt flume
the only fix for the spear would be removing it from the game
icy narwhal
i mean they could just give it sprint
coarse lily
make it so that you have to run to have increase PrecDmg
wispy bluff
i mean they could just give it sprint
Not gonna help, still too many issues
serene berry
make it so that you have to run to have increase PrecDmg
THAT would be hilarious
pine root
spear doesn't need srpit it needs dmg and to not have stamina on charge
icy narwhal
but at least its ALOT more competitive then
pine root
1.5 pression plus no stam it would be fine
icy narwhal
dmg + charge time
wraith marsh
I wouldnt mind if they slow down HAR further and give it even more damage
har damage is literally PERFECT rn
pine root
dmg + charge time
if it doesnt use stam
icy narwhal
since you arent sprinting it doesnt matter how much stam it uses
serene berry
spear has 2 settings
no sprint
must sprint
wraith marsh
can we get some op stagger on it like veruta tho
pine root
it will have better charge time
coarse lily
1.5 pression plus no stam it would be fine
make it a 2x preDmg
coarse lily
2 is insane
high risk high reward
pine root
but 17.5 times 3 is modded shit
burnt flume
please don't buff spear I need to be able to look down on people who use it because I'm angry and insecure
icy narwhal
hol up
coarse lily
but 17.5 times 3 is modded shit
1 shotting tank bubble lol
pine root
not
pine root
not okay
icy narwhal
1 tap giants?
serene berry
<:WoodsHug:808367391980519484>
its alright bud
icy narwhal
i disagree
pine root
it will become an actual melee
coarse lily
it honestly just needs the stam change
spears are heavy
pine root
WHAT
icy narwhal
its a thrust
pine root
are you saying
pine root
i disagree
the only problem with spear is it doesnt have a good match up with sleepers up
serene berry
spears are heavy
if your sentry is not deployed, no more sprinting, they're too heavy
icy narwhal
yes charge time fixes that
coarse lily
if your sentry is not deployed, no more sprinting, they're too heavy
sentry buff, place down sentry for better stamina
icy narwhal
you arent running with spear so the stam buff would only partially effect the charge time
pine root
you arent running with spear so the stam buff would only partially effect the ch...
it would effect its abilty to both dodge and do attacks
with out running out of stam
icy narwhal
you cant dodge attacks without sprinting really fam
serene berry
sentry buff, place down sentry for better stamina
stamina nerf, every one can only walk, except sentry users after they deploy
icy narwhal
the hammer is so much better at hordes because it can sprint while chargin to avoid dmg
pine root
the problem is you dont have a choice rn
serene berry
stamina nerf, every one can only walk, except sentry users after they deploy
also add a hunger meter
prisoners have to eat eventually
coarse lily
need to be charging
a no-charge-required melee weapon? instant dmg but slow delay
icy narwhal
then do both lmao
make it med stam usage
and reduce the charge time by like 15-20%
coarse lily
make it so that it taps slowly but does 18 dmg, charging up increase the range but not the dmg
pine root
i think it would be overbuffed at that point
icy narwhal
how? it would STILL be worse hammer
but it would be able to deal with hords a lil better
burnt flume
you cant dodge attacks without sprinting really fam
impromptu dodging, yeah you need to sprint
otherwise you just walk to the side and you're fine
icy narwhal
if youre using it for that
pine root
if it just got charge time it would be useless
coarse lily
how? it would STILL be worse hammer
I would totally quickswap to it and save a bullet
icy narwhal
also would let you chain kills better
pine root
to good
junior latch
17.5 tap dmg is insane lol
burnt flume
hotswap with rifle
coarse lily
but a 2s delay between tap
pine root
a 10 dmg tap is to much tbh
coarse lily
a 10 dmg tap is to much tbh
even a 10dmg is still good
icy narwhal
agree
junior latch
by nerfing hammer and buffing it
you make it a hard hitter that will be ultra niche and or invalidate giants/bosses
icy narwhal
i still think a charge speed buff would make it much better than its current state
junior latch
the issue is you approach knife/bat at that point
icy narwhal
its a spear thrust
serene berry
hmm what if we increase its range by x10? and make a laser sound?
icy narwhal
it shouldnt have crazy charge time to begin with imo
XD
10X range sign me up
lemme one shot that scout from across the room
gimme the star wars blaster spear plz
wispy bluff
Since i'm a spear main i got used to playing defensively around it - forcing enemies to come to me around corners, or just marching forward to meet them. However the fucking charger is a murderer - because it takes forever and there's a chance an enemy changes its mind and goes in another direction, and now your charge started beeping and you have to recharger and the bastard rushes you while you're charging...
Its... Its annoying, to say the least. You took my ability to take initiative - don't just make me defenseless with bazzilion year charge while at it as well.
wispy bluff
power walk to win
icy narwhal
XD
wispy bluff
Sprint? Hever heard of it.
junior latch
artek, spear and bullpup user
Wondering why r4c3 isnt going their way 
wraith marsh
spear players when you show them high level hammer play
wispy bluff
i dont think hammer would help me against 4 chargers either, so
wraith marsh
dayum
wispy bluff
Eh, fair... Amazing against shooters though.
coarse lily
artek, spear and bullpup user
Wondering why r4c3 isnt going their way <:kappa:94...
there's still a slot for hel rifle
wispy bluff
also that
Although currently my anti-charger meta is HEL Shotgun.
Brings back memories of R7C3 PE.
icy narwhal
choke wants to know your location
wispy bluff
That thing fucks chargers real good.
coarse lily
chokemod is one of the worst specials in the game
junior latch
chokemod is one of the worst specials in the game
????
wispy bluff
Alright, now that is a hot take.
I consider it one of the most brainless specials out there.
rose nova
what
junior latch
its not brainless either lol
wispy bluff
Aim for center mass from 15m, pray to rng, see enemy get turned into mush.
coarse lily
take hel rifle then
wispy bluff
If not - switch to low risk primary, take a couple potshots with your pistol, whatever.
junior latch
hel rifle is better vs chargers sure
worse vs bosses, hybrids (well actually, all kind of not lined up giants), cscouts
burnt flume
Choke Mod is definitely one of the better specials
wispy bluff
Baguette of Death
junior latch
snatcher aswell
rose nova
do they know the
coarse lily
if I need a shotgun with low ttk then I would take buckland
If I need range then HIcal
wispy bluff
If I need range then HIcal
tfw when choke mod got twice the effective range of hcp
coarse lily
oneshotting the strikers would consider low ttk
wispy bluff
I'm still mad and no, i'm not forgiving.
coarse lily
tfw when choke mod got twice the effective range of hcp
4 shots then reload
junior latch
oh mb. Read it as „low ranked“
wispy bluff
Yeah, if it had 6 - HCP wouldn't need to exist, frankly
coarse lily
If i need to shoot a striker that far away, then just take hel rifle
wispy bluff
And don't forget: it can shoot as fast as you pull the trigger. You can nuke giants in a pinch.
coarse lily
It's not chokemod isnt a good gun, but there better guns out there for the job
wispy bluff
Too many conditions on them.
junior latch
for strikers, shooters and chargers yes
wispy bluff
Pump is melee with ammo - too risky.
coarse lily
And don't forget: it can shoot as fast as you pull the trigger. You can nuke gia...
remember to reload before killing giants then, else it would be just as slow as other guns
coarse lily
Pump is melee with ammo - too risky.
pump is the least risky gun to take
burnt flume
Pump is melee with ammo - too risky.
it has fairly reasonable range against smalls, combat shotgun not so much
rose nova
these takes are off the charts on bonkers
serene berry
gotta remember mushroom argued, "we can't reduce stamina costs on spear can't because a spear irl is heavy"
rose nova
pump shotgun the least risky gun to use
coarse lily
it has fairly reasonable range against smalls, combat shotgun not so much
combat shotgun is more efficient due to recent buff... my bad MUCH MORE efficient
junior latch
combat shotgun is more efficient due to recent buff... my bad MUCH MORE efficien...
Its always been more efficient…
burnt flume
yeah combat shotgun has always been more efficient, but that doesn't factor into a range argument
junior latch
the buff isnt even 10%
burnt flume
I don't think it changes much though, at least in r1a1 speeds
although I did feel like I was running out of carbine ammo a bunch more so I swapped to DMR
not sure if it was a good idea but hey, I did it
coarse lily
the buff isnt even 10%
the buff widens the gap
junior latch
it does not matter in that context
going from 240 to line 260 ammo efficiency
is a grain of sand
junior latch
sniper buff is 0.31 bullets per refill
burnt flume
is it statistically significant?
is it practically significant?
junior latch
but for sniper thats a straight up 1 extra giant per 3 refills
for sniper the bigger change is reducing the 3 per refill
coarse lily
_pump shotgun the least risky gun to use_
good for killing smalls, killing giants, killing bosses, killing babies, killing mothers within range
rose nova
killin babies
junior latch
anyway, especially after BC nerfs, choke is still a B to A tier special
rose nova
i guess
coarse lily
never killed babies before? they scream loudly too
rose nova
i feel like thats sayin machinepistol is for, idk, a giant
burnt flume
regular shotgun doesn't really want to be shooting babies
junior latch
good for killing smalls, killing giants, killing bosses, killing babies, killing...
Its the best all rounder
not least risky
range is its issue
burnt flume
it can but like, the rate of fire isn't ideal, you're likely not getting collaterals
coarse lily
because it's an all-rounder that makes it least risky
coarse lily
it can but like, the rate of fire isn't ideal, you're likely not getting collate...
rate of fire is ideal enough for a horde
I dont find myselft wishing I could shoot faster with the pump shotty
rose nova
the choke mod take its still a bad take tho but i digress
coarse lily
the choke mod take its still a bad take tho but i digress
Like i said chokemod isnt a bad gun, there are just guns out there that can do what a chokemod does but better
mystic moss
4 shots before reloading 💀
wraith marsh
client side autoclicker into boss enemies:
rose nova
i just feel like ur takin flexibility to judge guns, which like, even choke mod has more flexibility than hel rifle
but
sure
sharp siren
can we fix chokemod and give it a firerate cap
coarse lily
i just feel like ur takin flexibility to judge guns, which like, even choke mod ...
Flexibility + specialty
rose nova
i think the exact same thing
...
well maybe
i still think choke mod has way more flexibility than a hel rifle but maybe is not as good in some of its departments
maybe
i overall just see choke mod as a better weapon
way higher on the list
mystic moss
makes me wonder why everyone thought so highly of hel rifle in r5
and here we are now
coarse lily
makes me wonder why everyone thought so highly of hel rifle in r5
hel weapons are cool, also Jish convinced me of its use against chargers
junior latch
most efficient tank killer. Overall top 3 vs tank
top 3-4 vs mom
top 2-3 vs hybrids
top 3-4 vs bbcs
top 3-4 vs giants
2nd vs snatcher
2nd to 3rd best vs chargers
deals fine with scout, flyers and other smalls
boreal yew
Did we think that high on hel rifle?
rose nova
hel rifle?
boreal yew
I don't recall that
rose nova
ur referrin to hel rifle or chokemod
junior latch
it was ranked very highly by some
but people forget 2 things
- r5 had TONS of chargers
and its the best anti charger gun
wraith marsh
hel rifle is fun till you have to reload
serene berry
ur referrin to hel rifle or chokemod
they on hel rif now
junior latch
- r5 had a lot of funnel ways
wraith marsh
)which doesnt take long)
mystic moss
ur referrin to hel rifle or chokemod
eva is probably referring to choke mod in his ranking
boreal yew
Hel rifle reload is actually better than chokemod.
junior latch
choke ye
junior latch
unless you get line ups hel rifle is worse vs anything big while being better (due to pen) than choke against smalls
boreal yew
And no sway glitch in hel rifle
junior latch
the gun needs the pen to outperform choke mod
wraith marsh
Hel rifle reload is actually better than chokemod.
no it isnt?
coarse lily
28 bullets vs 27, i'll take hel rifle
rose nova
i guess the one bullet always calls u
coarse lily
yes
rose nova
im surprised u dont have a machinegun
burnt flume
but the charge up time
junior latch
no it isnt?
reload cancel makes it somewhat even i think
burnt flume
what if something comes around the corner
analog flicker
Is this more of mushrooms based opinions/preferences?
coarse lily
I hate machine gun,not accurate enough
junior latch
the charge up time isnt the issue, its the cooldown after shots
wraith marsh
ok that is fair game then
analog flicker
coarse lily
Is this more of mushrooms based opinions/preferences?
ofc, i'm not like other girls, im special...
also I like to argue to I'll take these preferences to the MOON
analog flicker
junior latch
Where does hel rifles extra bullet even come from
Same start ammo, same per refill
funky
analog flicker
Where does hel rifles extra bullet even come from
Same start ammo, same per ref...
We don't question the ammo pack gods
boreal yew
Anyway chokemod and hel imo have very different purpose now imo
junior latch
Yes
wraith marsh
its the clip I think
junior latch
the biggest overlap in role is anti charger
coarse lily
max ammo
rose nova
ofc, i'm not like other girls, im special...
also I like to argue to I'll take t...
i dont like any of these takes
like ratzinger in the two popes, 'i dont agree with anything u say'
junior latch
anyway, choke mod is taken for a different purpose than hel rifle
the situations where you take it OVER choke for a role where choke is a good option is legit only chargers
boreal yew
Chokemod to me is a competitor with burst canon
analog flicker
slides in Arid 5
coarse lily
i dont like any of these takes
like ratzinger in the two popes, 'i dont agree wi...
While I recognize that many of these takes are based preferences and playstyle, not to mention situations whether or not you're alone, with a team, what your teammates have, your skills on different catagories. stats alone don't tell the whole story
junior latch
Chokemod to me is a competitor with burst canon
kind… of
analog flicker
Chokemod to me is a competitor with burst canon
looks at auto clicker macro...
swets
rose nova
While I recognize that many of these takes are based preferences and playstyle, ...
i was said the exact same thing by eva, that stats do say everything
and i dont agree either
so dont worry ik these r preferences
coarse lily
I might argue for fun but that doesnt mean I dont believe in what I say
rose nova
i just dont agree
boreal yew
The sole reason I take Hel rifle is for charger.
junior latch
if you want an easy tank kill, take sniper
if you want an efficient one take choke mod (or burst cannon if you dare)
wraith marsh
combat shotty
coarse lily
ksdmk
I'm going to end this discussion here purely because of this, have a nice day everyone
junior latch
people who say stats dont say everything missunderstand what i mean by stats
analog flicker
I might argue for fun but that doesnt mean I dont believe in what I say
Reminds me of someone arguing a shitty point to get a newbie to learn about a weird mechanic without just telling them about the mechanic directly.
(Was DRG related but yes)
boreal yew
Sniper also more efficient against tank than chokemod
junior latch
Sniper also more efficient against tank than chokemod
its not
at least it shouldnt be
1.3 refills vs ~2 iirc
rose nova
people who say stats dont say everything missunderstand what i mean by stats
maybe
i just funky i like the bad weapons
analog flicker
Sniper also more efficient against tank than chokemod
You misspelled Kraken
junior latch
stats are math. Math can encompass everything, it just gets hella complicated
wraith marsh
isnt choke mod only as client
analog flicker
🤔
junior latch
(Aside from rare client side bug)
iirc, no. Thats not a case with sniper
anyway, if sniper could overdmg it would 3 shot mom
LOL
wraith marsh
snipers like 1.7 if you do all shots with sniper
choke is 1.33 as client, 1.55 as host I think
junior latch
but in situations where you have time (say r7e1) choke is just better
analog flicker
You can't stop me
junior latch
i wanna helpp tank
sharp owl
When can I wield knife/bat in one hand and my Highcal/Revolver in the other
that sounds fucking awesome
rundown 5 wishlist: that
sharp owl
i want that as a mod but i have no idea how they would do that
vestal kernel
Please refrain from discussing political topics in the server as it's against our rules to do so.
cedar steppe
@vestal kernel sure but relax tho all i said was that
vestal kernel
I'm relaxed man
pine root
i like r4
serene berry
The biden blast power level is up 30% tho
vestal kernel
I'm just telling u instead of deleting it and not saying anything
cedar steppe
yu aint have to delete it @vestal kernel
vestal kernel
I kinda do
olive star
honestly r5 is my favorite
vestal kernel
It's part of our policy, I do have to lmao
serene jewel
new member moment
pine root
new member moment
i wonder who stop it could be