nah mate
#gtfo-chat
elfin osprey
untold ferry
man
untold ferry
i love how even tho they completely changed the melee weapons
elfin osprey
and still i can chat with everyone
untold ferry
the debate still rages on
elfin osprey
the debate still rages on
what debate?
quasi fog
i need a guide to the game
rose nova
i need a guide to the game
theres a tutorial! its called training
untold ferry
what debate?
the one old as world, which melee weapon is the best
sledge, gavel; spear, knife
it's all the same in different forms
elfin osprey
wait what
rose nova
yeah its not been debated ever
elfin osprey
spear used to be a hammer skin
untold ferry
huh
rose nova
it was sledge gavel maul mallet
elfin osprey
sledge, gavel; spear, knife
u said it
rose nova
then the four funky funky weapons where brought with their diff stats
elfin osprey
dont ask me
elfin osprey
then the four funky funky weapons where brought with their diff stats
hammer still being hamer
coarse grail
sledge, gavel, maul, mallet
rose nova
ah new ones r sledge knife bat spear
untold ferry
well i separated the two with ;
rose nova
hammer still being hamer
still being haer
rose nova
ahh
elfin osprey
still being haer
still being har
untold ferry
anyway, i tried the spear once
it felt nice having the range sure but it felt pretty unwieldy
elfin osprey
it felt nice having the range sure but it felt pretty unwieldy
why range
when u can have unlimited stagger
coarse grail
hammer is not the stagger king
elfin osprey
but hammer do everything
elfin osprey
in 1 sit
coarse grail
it does everything but isn't the best at everything
rose nova
bat
untold ferry
why stagger when you can chain 3 full attacks before scream
elfin osprey
it does everything but isn't the best at everything
but it still do everything
rose nova
why stagger when you can chain 3 full attacks before scream
stagger!
i can still do that
elfin osprey
i love something that do everything
coarse grail
knife kills smalls quicker, bat staggers harder
elfin osprey
dont have to think much what to choose
coarse grail
every melee has its forte
rapid fog
how in the hell are you supposed to deal with invisibles
coarse grail
biotracker makes it easier
also turning up your shadow resolution in the graphics settings
rapid fog
also turning up your shadow resolution in the graphics settings
thats cheating
coarse grail
oh yeah thermals lol, forget about them
junior latch
it does everything but isn't the best at everything
I mean being the best at everything would be commical
it still leaves … knife small speed
bat insta smash lock break with no stam cost/charge and tap stagger on smalls/chargers…. Spear its range
yeah uh thats it
junior latch
knife kills smalls quicker, bat staggers harder
not when charged
rose nova
counts
coarse grail
if you tap spam bat does it stagger more than repeatedly full charging hammer?
junior latch
no
basically
4 bat tap hits = 1 bat full charge hit
but you need 6,667 bat hits to equal a hammer full charge
rose nova
nope
rose nova
fuck hel revo
wispy bluff
Based Bullpup with no exploits
wispy bluff
Not really, Bullpup still got that range
elfin osprey
go to the connor of the house and think about what u have done
elfin osprey
Not really, Bullpup still got that range
i dont like the range
rose nova
??????????
elfin osprey
im used to main weapon being swap when enemy close
rose nova
ah yeah it has very long range that works in close and far away its so bad i can use in both
wispy bluff
I use it as a dedicated shooter killer. Hate those Lil a holes chipping away at my health.
icy narwhal
got introduced to the high cal and im trying to find a primary to use with it lmao as i like it. but none of them feel quite right except what i was using b4 the hel revo . the rifle also feels ok but idk taking suggestions
winged narwhal
bullpup also has higher damage and precision multi than smg, i don't think it's worse
wispy bluff
As a fellow high cal enjoyer - I hear you
icy narwhal
its fun
icy narwhal
but alot of the primary weaps feel like shit
elfin osprey
got introduced to the high cal and im trying to find a primary to use with it lm...
everything work with high cal
wispy bluff
So pick your poison
icy narwhal
i was using the hel revo but idk if its viable lmao
elfin osprey
a gun with high damage pair well with almost everything
icy narwhal
paired together
wary marlin
but alot of the primary weaps feel like shit
especially hel revo
icy narwhal
so hel revo plus high cal would be aight?
rose nova
hel revo 🤮
elfin osprey
hel revolver is one of the two "best" guns
how do u define "best"
rose nova
it is a good weapon but the others arent bad either
winged narwhal
how do u define "best"
i don't, i wait for people here to define it and then pretend what they said is my idea
elfin osprey
heheeh
elfin osprey
hel rev= wave clear
wary marlin
hel revo-its a dmr with pen, less mag, more ammo and slightly less range
rose nova
i mean if u want an automatic to spray it in case u see a lot of people comin ur way u can have one too
winged narwhal
2 shots (1 head 1 body) will kill a striker and since it has piercing....
icy narwhal
sounds like i can just run hel revo and high cal lmao
winged narwhal
plus the reload is very cancellable
wary marlin
sounds like i can just run hel revo and high cal lmao
ppl doing solo with this
winged narwhal
I remember when I joined a group (that became my dedicated group) with hel revo/hical and someone called me very brave for "using two handguns"
velvet atlas
imagine if u could akimbo
icy narwhal
also one shots all scout variants
winged narwhal
i think i changed their minds about them pretty soon
velvet atlas
lol
untold ferry
ok hear me out on this one
icy narwhal
which is part of my draw to it
untold ferry
hel rev + rev
rose nova
not it doesnt
icy narwhal
charger scouts to back
rose nova
has been nerfed
winged narwhal
nope
rose nova
it has 25 dmg now
winged narwhal
charger scouts are 60hp
rose nova
u got funked
untold ferry
there are charger scouts now??
winged narwhal
you still can
untold ferry
what the fuck
winged narwhal
but it takes a 0.05s reaction time
icy narwhal
so what 2 shotting it?
winged narwhal
yes
untold ferry
no but what do they even tho
icy narwhal
no head weakspot
mystic moss
quick swap quick swap
untold ferry
oh
winged narwhal
scouts become invincible in 0.5s i believe, and hical can fire roughly 0.45s
icy narwhal
move quick
rose nova
grr
pale hemlock
no but what do they even tho
Can't be head shot
rose nova
there b spoils here
pale hemlock
Can't wait for when one actually calls a wave of chargers though
icy narwhal
hmm
winged narwhal
iirc, scout waves are level dependent
icy narwhal
i wish there was a testing level
winged narwhal
so if a normal scout will call some type of wave then a charger scout will call that same wave
icy narwhal
so i could fuck around with variants
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rose nova
or, a level that has em early
winged narwhal
there are a few mods that could help play around with them
wary marlin
... we don't allow them to be played in public lobbies ... LIERS!
wispy bluff
I mean... You are the enforcer.
winged narwhal
the "officially support" part isn't wrong
wispy bluff
Report them to the local inquisitor.
winged narwhal
it's just that nobody cares
icy narwhal
lmao had someone with a infinite c foam mod was kinda funny but also lame
winged narwhal
that's not a mod, that's a hack.
pale hemlock
or, a level that has em early
R7c3 has a bunch of c scouts in first rooms
You also start with no ammo so go nuts
winged narwhal
i mean sure a hack could be a mod, but not all mods are hacks
rose nova
has like 5
wispy bluff
I had a cheater back in R6D2.
rose nova
in the start
winged narwhal
I had a cheater back in R6D2.
me too actually, every room woke the moment we opened it
wispy bluff
He toggled when it became clear we couldn't quite get the PE.
pale hemlock
Oh yeah the USB room has em doesn't it
winged narwhal
Oh yeah the USB room has em doesn't it
5 of them
wispy bluff
Infinite Cfoam did nothing.
pale hemlock
Infinite Cfoam did nothing.
died to mother 🤣
winged narwhal
if only Dr Michael Morbius (yes that was the guy's username) didn't have to leave us and open his player slot for the hacker
rose nova
why did u leave morbius qwq
pale hemlock
if only Dr Michael Morbius (yes that was the guy's username) didn't have to leav...
he had to leave so he could
rose nova
he could blank
winged narwhal
morbius had to go :(
icy narwhal
man i feel like i might just run sniper to deal with cscouts instead considering the recoil on the high cal
winged narwhal
he had to go morb
pale hemlock
winged narwhal
man i feel like i might just run sniper to deal with cscouts instead considering...
consider choke mod
winged narwhal
choke mod's RPM allows you to unload the entire mag before the scout has a chance to react, and is able to kill in one shot
rose nova
https://tenor.com/view/milo-morbius-loxias-crown-avi-arad-engage-in-intercourse-...
i dont think i wanna click that
pale hemlock
HAVE SEX
icy narwhal
back to my old loadout XD
winged narwhal
even though choke mod can kill a charger scout in one shot, i always double tap just to make sure
icy narwhal
hel revo choke
icy narwhal
talking about the super big boi?
pale hemlock
Nah Pablo isn't a shadow
wary marlin
pablo just a tank
winged narwhal
pablo is a friend
icy narwhal
i wish you could ping things directly
pale hemlock
i wish you could ping things directly
there's a mod 🫢
winged narwhal
so you're saying pablo is the average rando?
icy narwhal
but they illegal
winged narwhal
misses half his shots, the other half are FF?
wary marlin
ye
pale hemlock
I'll never tell
icy narwhal
and i guarantee someone would report me for using a mod to be able to properly ping things XD
pale hemlock
misses half his shots, the other half are FF?
omg me
icy narwhal
should just be in the base game imo
wary marlin
devs just playing as pablo
winged narwhal
but they illegal
tbh, most people don't care. there are a few people that do, but you can always ask a lobby "hey are you ok with me using [whatever mod]"
winged narwhal
should just be in the base game imo
I think I heard an argument that it was but the devs removed it, something about making it too easy to navigate fog? Which is a stupid argument
icy narwhal
agree
pale hemlock
99% of people give no shits about qol mods
wary marlin
tbh, most people don't care. there are a few people that do, but you can always ...
never seen this...just lot of gamebreaking mods
winged narwhal
those are hackers
wary marlin
nope, mods, like infinity boosters
winged narwhal
we're talking about small mods, ones that mostly don't affect gameplay
ehhh i could see reasoning for that, because boosters are easy enough to farm that just keeping the ones you actually care about is saving time
not sure how i feel about it but i could probably accept it
boosters don't fix skill issues after all
pale hemlock
imagine playing with boosters in Anno Domini MMXXIII
icy narwhal
its just a timer saver
winged narwhal
yeah exactly
especially because there's another mod that just caps your boosters instantly
so you're saving even more time off the process by just keeping them
pale hemlock
Only one that's kind of scuffed is bioscan speed
icy narwhal
you can still just farm it tho
winged narwhal
bioscan speed is scuffed, but it's not the only one
pale hemlock
+4% main damage isn't worth shit
wary marlin
infection immune?
icy narwhal
getting ammo on the non ammo start levels is also nice
winged narwhal
fuck making your shots count, my ammopack gives you 60% special. go wild.
icy narwhal
but again
winged narwhal
+4% main damage isn't worth shit
DMR moment
icy narwhal
these are all farmable
quasi fog
who go to play r1a1?
pale hemlock
DMR moment
I main dmr and I say fuck it
Not like I'm going to hit striker headshots anyway 🫢
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rose nova
just some advice!
ask to not be carried, be sure to do the tutorial first [Training], start on rundown 1 and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur vc
and all thats tuff
quasi fog
u can find players on the LFG channels :]
thanks
pale hemlock
they'll fix it after checkpoints and sniper melee
wary marlin
u can find players on the LFG channels :]
and then be sent in dick, cuz you noob or dont have mic...
winged narwhal
the thing about that
wary marlin
or just cuz they want
winged narwhal
is that melee has two checks to see if you hit
it has your crosshair sure, but it also has a hitbox based on your weapon
hammer for example is a downwards swing
icy narwhal
i hit a scouts shoulder the other day when i was only aiming at his head for ex
and i was standing right next to it
that should not happen
winged narwhal
i believe the hitbox takes priority for a very small amount of time
burnt flume
that's a thing to do with hitboxes and not hit registration
winged narwhal
so what probably happened is the hitbox lined up, took priority and alerted the scout
pale hemlock
when the crosshair tightens is when you're close enough that the hitbox will hit on the reticule, I think?
winged narwhal
your hit registered just fine you just didn't understand the hitbox
icy narwhal
i was in that range
the hitbox then needs fixed
let me correct my original statement
because as i said
my crosshair
winged narwhal
what melee are you using?
winged narwhal
hammer's hitbox is extremely silly you can kill foes that are behind you
wary marlin
ninja hammer style
winged narwhal
@rose nova saw me do it once I think
hard surge
mid game rn on r4a2 and bots are not standing in bioscan for secondary objective why is this?
icy narwhal
wonder what they could do to buff spear to be a sidegrade to hammer
maybe equalize the dmg as a start
winged narwhal
it'd probably be easier to nerf the hammer
wary marlin
hammer's hitbox is extremely silly you can kill foes that are behind you
if they can hit you through walls or melee from 5 m...i think this is for balance...
icy narwhal
i would like to see spear get a charge speed buff
winged narwhal
spear should allow you to sprint
pale hemlock
wonder what they could do to buff spear to be a sidegrade to hammer
Didn't it used to have horizontal slashes that could hit multiple dudes pretty easily?
winged narwhal
it's very silly that you can't
winged narwhal
Didn't it used to have horizontal slashes that could hit multiple dudes pretty e...
no, but the hitbox lingered
so basically
if you had 3 dudes in a circle around you, you charge for one but then spin around in the attack
3 dead bodies
winged narwhal
i don't think it would make sense to leave it
the spear is a piercing weapon, doing that would basically be smacking the 2nd foe onwards with the side of the spearhead
icy narwhal
i mean
pale hemlock
halberd momento
winged narwhal
if you had 3 dudes in a circle around you, you charge for one but then spin arou...
I found a clip of this that I knew was in the media channel
winged narwhal
but it's unbalanced
winged narwhal
you wouldn't need guns with a team of spear users in an alarm
everyone's dealing 17.5 damage times whatever number of foes
imagine a surge alarm with that.
icy narwhal
ok change it then
so you have to do a special charge animation where you cant
move or smth
or is longer
icy narwhal
it would give the spear a niche
which it doesnt have
and i dont count the range as a niche
winged narwhal
the spear has a niche - range. it just doesn't matter all that much
it's useful for giants without getting slapped, at least
icy narwhal
since hammer just closes the gap
you can do the same with hammer
with limb breaking
pale hemlock
giants and shadow scouts
winged narwhal
yes, that's what i meant with spear too
icy narwhal
spear just does it safer
winged narwhal
but hammer is a little riskier because you have to get closer to do it
icy narwhal
so its the training wheels version of hammer
winged narwhal
i don't think the spear needs a lingering hitbox or any of these dramatic changes you're suggesting, i think it just needs sprint back
icy narwhal
when the hammer has more base dmg
icy narwhal
barely its like by 1 dmg
winged narwhal
22.75 (not that this is meaningful for kills)
icy narwhal
whats the hammers head dmg
icy narwhal
so to the occiput your getting like an extra 5 dmg
winged narwhal
this is then further multiplied by the foe's head multiplier
icy narwhal
but you have a longer charge speed
and cant sprint
orginally
i just wanted it to get a charge speed buff
since its a thrust
and thrusting doesnt take that much to do
that way i could chain kill things a lil better with the walk speed
winged narwhal
aside from the sprint my biggest issue with the spear is that I was too used to the hammer hitbox
wispy bluff
Nah
winged narwhal
yes exactly
icy narwhal
sprint and 20 dmg
winged narwhal
there are mods with spears that can sprint and it's fine there
winged narwhal
what
wispy bluff
Hammer still deals higher base damage and stagger better too. Not to mention lock break.
junior latch
got introduced to the high cal and im trying to find a primary to use with it lm...
Rifle is good with it
best synergy should you wanna take out chargers, good vs shooters (high cal isnt) and has great range
winged narwhal
i guess an uncharged headshot can't kill a baby but you don't need to charge much
icy narwhal
isnt rifles ammo economy poopoo?
@junior latch
cryo
that charge time
times 20
for the amount of babies
adds up
winged narwhal
if you're trying to melee 20 babies I think you have bigger problems, like an unhelpful team
icy narwhal
i mean yes
but im giving an ex
of when the charge time would be ass
vs multiple babies
winged narwhal
it's fine to give examples of what the weapon can do on its own
however you have a team for a reason
junior latch
should just be in the base game imo
Its incredibly broken. Makes darkness and fog both meh
pinging enemies being a „let me spam until i see it pop up“
It not being in the game enforces better communication. Which is nice
rose nova
<@437056003012427782> saw me do it once I think
i did what
rose nova
and then be sent in dick, cuz you noob or dont have mic...
#lfg-beginners and u specifiy u dont need a mic :3
winged narwhal
when we were in c2
did you see me kill a foe that was behind me with hammer or was it only random that saw
wary marlin
<#714930418670895106> and u specifiy u dont need a mic :3
boring, i should go in a-b tier after e-tier?...pfff
junior latch
sprint and 20 dmg
20 dmg on it would mean you are incredibly insane vs mom/tank and giants
rose nova
boring, i should go in a-b tier after e-tier?...pfff
ah then just say u arent like super skilled
or if u are just say yeah im pro nksmdk
or somethin
idk
communicate
junior latch
isnt rifles ammo economy poopoo?
its on the low end
but high cal works as semi wave clear. And vs chargers 1 shot of each gives a 100% kill (as long as you are in high cal range)
wary marlin
communicate
i tried xD
icy narwhal
knife has a niche of chain killing, bat is stun, hammer is jack of all
spear is worse hammer
spear being good against boss type enemies would give you a reason to take it lol
junior latch
not rly
its either so insane that bosses become a meme
or so rarely useful that spear stays a meme
the balance isnt that easy
winged narwhal
hawk, i don't think you understand how hard balancing weapons can be
icy narwhal
tru
winged narwhal
there's a very fine line between underpowered and overpowered
icy narwhal
but i want spear to be at least a decent option and rn its basically not an option
little ridge
but i want spear to be at least a decent option and rn its basically not an opti...
Problem of all of this is that melee is actually a big part of the gameplay
junior latch
gun suddenly has the dmg/mag of a dmr and potentially 180 dmg/mag
wary marlin
hawk, i don't think you understand how hard balancing weapons can be
not only weapons, enemies, levels, mechanics...everything is hard to balance
little ridge
Which makes it harder and harder to just balance
Why do you think they had 4 weapons that were all the same?
winged narwhal
not only weapons, enemies, levels, mechanics...everything is hard to balance
i know (aspiring modder) but with weapons specifically it can be hard to find a reason for each one to stand out
little ridge
yes but that isnt a reason to not test things
You make it sound as if some guns didnt get changes over changes over changes
icy narwhal
im not saying they didnt
but melee hasnt been touched in a while and imo spear is the worst one rn by a fair bit
junior latch
it is
winged narwhal
i think the reason melee hasn't been touched is because no new melees have been introduced to the pool since r6
however the available guns have changed several times
icy narwhal
melee could be argueably more important than guns due to the fact that its used so much
in this game
winged narwhal
foes haven't been buffed or anything, but now there are more guns competing for each role so some of them need changes to not be completely obsolete
little ridge
i think the reason melee hasn't been touched is because no new melees have been ...
Sure you aren't getting that the other way around?
icy narwhal
esp since they have levels where you dont start with ammo
junior latch
but in those you play stealth
little ridge
They didnt add more melees because they feel it'll bork the balance further?
winged narwhal
I mean balancing the existing ones
there's not much of a reason to fuck around with balancing the existing 4 melees further unless you add something else to balance it against
winged narwhal
but with the guns all being re-added and sticking it's a lot easier to justify making balance changes there, at least imo
icy narwhal
the bandaid till they can further look at it later
would be to just give spear sprint
winged narwhal
esp since they have levels where you dont start with ammo
this is one level and it is filled with cfoam that lets you get away with a lot
icy narwhal
granted
spear would still probably be worse hammmer
but it would be alot more viable
wary marlin
as for me hel revo is most broken wpn...you can use it in every level, it much more eff then dmr and more then 50% of ppl stick with this...90% of solo runs with hel revo, is this normal?
icy narwhal
actually usable outside of people using it just because
little ridge
I would unironically take spear more often (doesn't mean that I'd take it regularly) if it still did the funny swipe multikill
icy narwhal
^
i think hel revo is strong because of level design
and how you can generally not really see enemies far away
wispy bluff
Penetration is just too good.
icy narwhal
so its a dmr in the ranges where most fighting takes place
icy narwhal
also the pen
but it has the perfect range
for where most fights take place
which is why its better than the dmr
wary marlin
its cursed reload cancel
icy narwhal
ye but most weapons abuse reload cancels
not just hel rev
i personallytake this with a grain of salt as i love the weapon think its fine
imo some of the other primaries could probably be buffed
like the rifles ammo effeciency for ex
wispy bluff
Weapons do not abuse anything, players do.
icy narwhal
idk what they could do to dmr to make it more viable
junior latch
as for me hel revo is most broken wpn...you can use it in every level, it much m...
huh? Since when are 90% of solo runs hel revo wtf
wary marlin
imo some of the other primaries could probably be buffed
you can solo full waves already...
icy narwhal
its ammo eff is what i want buffed
wary marlin
huh? Since when are 90% of solo runs hel revo wtf
maybe i wrong with something, but in most games from random ppl that i saw used hel revo(solo/duo)
icy narwhal
nothin else
junior latch
maybe i wrong with something, but in most games from random ppl that i saw used ...
carbine is also top dog
Dmr is used a bunch in solos
hel shotty (while dependent on level) is used, rifle (tho more rarely)
pdw obviously in fringe cases
icy narwhal
ehh maybe
little ridge
Remember that Rifle is Pistol but better, so any buff to Rifle would make Pistol even more useless
icy narwhal
paired it with the high cal for a level and was having ammo problems
wispy bluff
Can rifle oneshot a sleeping biter to the back of the head?
junior latch
thats most likely an issue on your side then 
icy narwhal
lmao
junior latch
Can rifle oneshot a sleeping biter to the back of the head?
yes
icy narwhal
fair
junior latch
like… id completely take away rifles stagger multi
icy narwhal
ill play with it a bit more
junior latch
and it would still be fine
little ridge
Can rifle oneshot a sleeping biter to the back of the head?
Sleeping biter
junior latch
all strikers can be 1 shot into occi with rifle
wispy bluff
Pistol for police cosplay, rifle for tacticool feel
Although I think pistol might have better hip fire . Maybe.
junior latch
if it doesnt… then oof
wary marlin
Pistol for police cosplay, rifle for tacticool feel
what about hel autopistol?
serene berry
all strikers can be 1 shot into occi with rifle
one hit occi for rifle rifle is a break point you care about? does that come up ever?
junior latch
what about hel autopistol?
STAY DOWN
junior latch
one hit occi for rifle rifle is a break point you care about? does that come up ...
i dont care about it nah
somebody just asked
wispy bluff
If only it tapped chargers too...
wraith marsh
bring back old high cal
wispy bluff
20% special damage mute booster, give it to me baby
junior latch
Imagine using boosters tho
serene berry
look, those fogs aren't going to repel themselves
wispy bluff
I did stacked +40% once
It was so good
Could snipe things across the room and watch them explode
I'm talking good 20m+, just bang bang
serene berry
i am happy for you
wary marlin
just use with fog turbine
wary marlin
I'd rather prefer fog repeller duration frankly
2x range is more effective
serene berry
2x range is more effective
i agree
wary marlin
i am a hacker, and my hacking **skill** up boosters proves that
you always have a one square...blue or red...
but have one blue is more fun
pine root
i am a hacker, and my hacking **skill** up boosters proves that
It is the engineering booster
wary marlin
you are the real skill, you bring skill down boosters for fun
you cant reduce what you don't have...but i think you have....mmm...skill...
but i'm new in gtfo, i cant have skill
wispy bluff
I enjoy hacking boosters a lot
serene berry
you cant reduce what you don't have...but i think you have....mmm...skill...
never used mm mmmm before in my life, but thank you
wary marlin
never used ~~mm~~ mmmm before in my life, but thank you
what you thinking about?...its not match making...oh i think i got it
serene berry
what you thinking about?...its not match making...oh i think i got it
i was poking fun, and then i poked fun with my edit too.
we got there
wary marlin
r5c3 was interesting, r5b4...r4e1 was dynamic, r3d1 is boring...But if be honest, i like long and dynamic levels
pine root
you are newer right? what levels have you liked so far?
I mean they first joined in 2021
wary marlin
ye, i'm new
pine root
“New”
wraith marsh
saying r3d1 is boring will get you killed around these parts
pine root
Na makes sense if you take 50 minutes to clear it
serene berry
run and tooty point and shooty is fun though
its like reactors when there isn't an anxious person playing
wary marlin
i used sniper sentr and hel shot there
pine root
But did you like r7d2
wary marlin
ye, its dynamic
wraith marsh
good... good..
serene berry
interesting, curious,
R7D2 is good and R3D1 ain't. and they aren't permafoaming. hm
wary marlin
r7d2 is more variative and more dynamic
plus you cant just go and insta-kill things, cuz they insta-kill you
pmom moment
sharp owl
hello jish
pine root
Hello meow
sharp owl
🥰
pine root
😍
My favourite r7d2 memory is when we pulled p mom tank room and had charger giant spam going on
Sensory overload is fun
level has the fun ingrained
spark lynx
is it actually worth playing the game with AI?
wary marlin
only some levels, later-tier missions is impossible with them( need to do duo obj(like duo terms in r7d1), or have more firepower/be fast)
they cant hold items when alarm is active
serene berry
imo no, learning with bots is really beneficial, but playing with cool people is the point of the game for me
wary marlin
ye, more fun and you can learn some things from veterans(mean that its not worth playing with AI)
mystic moss
nah all the vets just speedrun the level for newbies and are generally not helpful
playing with vets is the worst experience you can have
honestly avoid them if you can
wary marlin
nah all the vets just speedrun the level for newbies and are generally not helpf...
not all, some will help newbies if asked, but most will speedrun
serene berry
is them going fast the only way you can tell they are a veterinarian?
mystic moss
that and complete silence
modern verge
Veterinarian
wary marlin
that and complete silence
nope, not all players is selfshit
wispy bluff
is it actually worth playing the game with AI?
Not really. They are turrets with legs. Players are always better in average. They cut the exploration / looting routine in half alone.
wispy bluff
However you are always welcome to have Bishop with Biotracker.
modern verge
nope, not all players is selfshit
Not all but I've met some real hard carriers who never spoke a word
Only typed or used the quick coms
wispy bluff
I call him BioBishop and I prefer him over players
modern verge
Bioshop
wary marlin
depends on choice, i can carry or play like a newbie or spectator if asked
someone wants just complete the level, someone wants to learn or/and explore the game
if someone dont want spoilers, i will tell info only about things, what you can learn from this moment of lvl
like where the keys
but not about extreme or overload obj and what will be on level further
junior latch
nah all the vets just speedrun the level for newbies and are generally not helpf...
sounds like you played with the wrong people lol
theres definetly people like that, but a lot of vets are rly helpful and slow down to a near crawl when playing with beginners
Also what they do is definetly not speedrunning the level :>
mystic moss
idk it's kinda frustrating when i want to take things slow and mr. gtfo pro starts sprint clearing rooms
like "wow ur so good"
pine root
idk it's kinda frustrating when i want to take things slow and mr. gtfo pro star...
did you asked to not be carried
slendo recommends that
junior latch
did you communicate that in advance when searching for people?
Cuz you gotta look at it from the opposite side, some people just have a higher base speed, so why would they want to play super slow and crouch for stuff they dont need to when nobody asked
serene berry
junior latch
jish its a real point lol
burnt flume
Literally 1984
junior latch
1984?
burnt flume
"Literally 1984" is Internet meme/nod to George Orwell's 1984, a book about I don't know actually, being spied on by the state/oppressed and that stuff
burnt flume
Literally 1984 = help, I'm being oppressed!!!!!
junior latch
but how is that in any way correlated to this o.O
burnt flume
Or someone is being oppressed
burnt flume
Messages were disappearing, the truth was being withheld
junior latch
pff xD
burnt flume
Something was getting censored
junior latch
oh i didnt check the discord acc
nvm then
haha funny
gotta level up one more time
and you reach german humor
burnt flume
It's why I only use #lfg-beginners so I can play tye way I want
mystic moss
sorry i wont stoop that low
burnt flume
Sprinting through rooms with noone who can catch up to me
modern coral
I usually have the problem that I want to leave lots of enemies for other people to kill....
But if I ever try to go off an do my own thing, I'm going to get followed around everywhere.
little ridge
for speedrunning
I want to tell you a fun story
I join a group playing R1A1, I've Bio, first room (well, second because room divider but you get the idea)
A lone, single striker sleeping in front
The lobby was "no speedrunning/take things slow whatever"
I approach him crouched
Bonk
"StOp SpEedRuNnInG"
junior latch
shouldve started speedrunning on their ass
little ridge
"WhOa ArE YoU In A HuRrY?"
burnt flume
Yea you're supposed to wait until Mars is visible to the naked eye to do anything
little ridge
some people really think that approach enemy and bonk is "going fast"
pine root
"WhOa ArE YoU In A HuRrY?"
congrats you are a speedrunner
little ridge
I pretended not to hear that but it got unbearable after a bit
Get close to enemy, bonk, bonk on lock of locker
wispy bluff
I can understand sprint. I can understand stroll. I do not understand crouch.
little ridge
same shit, I'm apparently not taking things slow enough
wispy bluff
The guy was either trolling or is a special individual.
little ridge
I can understand sprint. I can understand stroll. I do not understand crouch.
I assume they wanted me to stop when he's pulsating/glowing
But for fuck's sake you're going to make that map last hours
modern coral
"Go slow" gets kind of annoying when it's clearly coming from a place of inexperience.
little ridge
I usually go to the speed of the fastest guy in the lobby unless they really just want to finish the map already
wispy bluff
Here's a rule: force everyone in #lfg-beginners to use spear. Will slow down those pros real good.
little ridge
When I join the "please help" lobbies I zoom zoom most of the shit
From that point on if people have "go slow pace" thing on the ad I just avoid the lobby
junior latch
"Go slow" gets kind of annoying when it's clearly coming from a place of inexper...
tbh
people might enjoy playing slow while also being inexperienced
when i was new i didnt want to go zoom yet
modern coral
Here's a rule: force everyone in <#714930418670895106> to use spear. Will slow d...
Funny thing is, this wouldn't even make things much slower.
little ridge
tbh
people might enjoy playing slow while also being inexperienced
when i was n...
They might enjoy that but some groups acts as if waking up a room in R1A1 is a death sentence and that's just plain wrong
rose nova
i think it's a problem of perspective, for a newbie the fun comes from the tension, they crouch, they are careful, they might just wake up the room and some enemies are resources, so u pull them away from that, they don't like it
and it's completely fine if they want to experience it first
wispy bluff
Absolutely.
rose nova
at the end this game is scary the first few hours
don't show em how to not be afraid of it
let em see how scary it can be, and then the fear will wear off
wispy bluff
Seeing my first sleeper in R6A1 was a special moment.
rose nova
then u can speed through it
wispy bluff
These days they're just goofy meatbags.
junior latch
when you rly want them to still beat the easy mission without having to go through it, let them fail and go down, then clean up
they dont see the clean up and thus stay scared since they went down
wispy bluff
Best option, probably.
little ridge
let em see how scary it can be, and then the fear will wear off
Not going to lie, it's sometimes a bit also due to other people influence, first game I ever had barring alpha/beta was R4A1 with a group that painstakingly queried every single hd and stealthed everything. I had the impression it'd spelled our doom to fuck the wrong room up. I only started going "fast" when I saw a guy bunnyhopping.
rose nova
whip out ur guns even, or if they just fuck up one instead of the room, melee it as fast as possible to make em learn organically the room can be delayed
wispy bluff
Let them experience the scout.
With all these pros these days there are people out there who never heard a scout scream probably.
rose nova
Not going to lie, it's sometimes a bit also due to other people influence, first...
there's some groups that do always just go by slowly, but when the fear wear off you can see it, more risk, they don't care of waking up mobs if there isn't a lot, they just go, but they don't know any better than stayin crouch unless it's the last enemy
then it's there when you can teach em, slowly of course, u can walk to the enemies, then run to the enemies
little ridge
My point was more that knowing something to be possible really changes the whole perspective over what you can do
junior latch
yep
little ridge
I assume that some players that are new see one guy zoom zooming through tendrils and bonking and think "I can do it too?"
I've had some newbies do that just merely by having me show how to, I always do one myself then tell them they need to get the next
A good bunch of them gets it right first try, one actually did it with bat too
rose nova
i guess it's true, they can be learnin, but it might eliminates hours of the fear factor, and in some ways, i guess eliminates some enjoyment of not knowin that a simple room is not a big deal; this game goes from 2 to 7 to 20 enemies in a room, and there's a reason b1 is he second level of rundown one, specially the fog zone
if you show them first off how to deal with a room full of enemies, b2 will be a cake walk for the most part
and maybe then c1 will hit them with all of their force, but showin how scary this game can be in the dark even by not tellin em they can keep up their flashlights
it just makes it more scary, and tense, and all that stuff gtfo always strides to be, tense
modern coral
I feel like most people aren't doing it for atmosphere, tho.
Like, I think it's genuinely perceived as "risky" by a lot of those sorts of people.
junior latch
which is a good thing generally
cuz that atmosphere is what pulls a lot of people in
its just weird when they try to force it HARD on random people
analog flicker
I remember playing with a guy training 2 new prisoners
Guy told em to attempt that.
serene berry
to attempt what?
analog flicker
Running through scout tendrils and bonk
wispy bluff
I've never done that btw.
analog flicker
I've done it in the last split second so many times people panic because they hear the sfx of it going off but it dies instead
valid marten
Even in the tutorial it tells you to avoid a small cluster of sleepers when in reality, esp the harder missions you better be able to multi kill/ solo giants. Special enemies might be an exception but there's just no excuse otherwise 
analog flicker
Even in the tutorial it tells you to avoid a small cluster of sleepers when in r...
Doesn't help tutorial starts you off with Bat
Even though majority/norm is Hammer
valid marten
Doesn't help tutorial starts you off with Bat
This as well not allowing weapon choice is cringe
valid marten
But yes than again how much is too much to pack into a tutorial
serene berry
honestly not having weapon choice for the tutorial is better imo, but hammer is legacy and the best, starting newbies on bat is a crime
wispy bluff
Hey, it starts them with the worse option.
analog flicker
I've met some who've thought Bat was the default
wispy bluff
Then they can upgrade if they want.
It's like starting a knight in a dark souls game with a straight sword instead of a Greatsword.
serene berry
Terminal tutorial
Fun Fact, the intro terminal does not support the "commands" command 😀😀😀😀
analog flicker
Fun Fact, the intro terminal does not support the "commands" command 😀😀😀😀<:S...
Gtfo tutorial: We only "Ping" around here
Thing is. People can ignore the terminal entirely in that part
serene berry
you want to teach yourself? not on MY tutorial
wispy bluff
My proposition for 20 empty lockers still stands.
junior latch
just spawn a bunch of glowsticks
serene berry
let them eat glowsticks
valid marten
I think most people when first started was playing slow and try to prema-crouch the entire mission as if standing up is a crime. R2C2 does a good job introducing a new playstyle to those guys, so does the reactor missions where you have to code hunt
serene berry
ya, i always try to show new players exactly how much time you have when walking before a sleeper wakes up, just to show them how forgiving those timings can be, and make sure the door is open to walk stealth later when they need/discover/watch me do it.
rose nova
i still think the same, not including the tutorial cause we all know the tutorial is not bad; but i still think newbies should just learn at the pace they can
inclusion of stats into the mix of things to learn is just gonna make em count the seconds every time they go for a kill walkin to an enemy
edgy matrix
I think most people when first started was playing slow and try to prema-crouch ...
i definitely started off that way, now i rarely ever crouch, if at all
walking master race
serene berry
learning the feel for walk stealth is really important to mitigate burnout though, when a C level takes 2 hours and then they wipe, it pushes people off of the game forever
edgy matrix
r4b3 PE in the olden days, 2-4 hours perma crouching lmao
then i discovered the bunny hop
serene berry
learning the feel for walk stealth is really important to mitigate burnout thoug...
and that sucks, because i love this game, they can learn at their own pace, but knowing that there is a better way is so so important
rose nova
i think it's a balance, like almost everythin, leave em be at the start to taste the tension but once the fear starts to fade away teach how to counter it
don't teach a 2 hours newbie how to run to a scout, but don't tell a 70 hours that crouchin it's still fine and spear it's still as useful
once they become stuck in a level that takes em a long time, might be the best start to share that knowledge
edgy matrix
they'll prob quit if they reach that point lol
i got so many friends that quit GTFO bc they cant get past C
they'll do like 2-3 runs of A/B when a new rundown comes out, and never touch it again until the next rundown
valid marten
i think it's a balance, like almost everythin, leave em be at the start to taste...
I just realized there isn't even an emote for spear that's how bad it is
edgy matrix
rose nova
we just know bat it's the best
valid marten
once they become stuck in a level that takes em a long time, might be the best s...
And I do agree that this game does favor people who can learn quick if time is an important essence ( I guess that applies to most games actually but whatever)
valid marten
they'll do like 2-3 runs of A/B when a new rundown comes out, and never touch it...
That's kinda sadge when they paid for 100% of the content, each to their own I guess
serene berry
And I do agree that this game does favor people who can learn quick if time is a...
it does, but in this game the difference can be 15 minutes vs 90
for like an A level
so a difference in scale creates a difference in kind imo
valid marten
6 hours R2D1 runs I still remember groups taking their time there
VS the good old days of cell duplicating and be done with it in 10mins before my food is ready
serene berry
VS the good old days of cell duplicating and be done with it in 10mins before my...
bake a pizza to eat on extract 
valid marten
bake a pizza to eat on extract <:PI_2cool:683121155980263509>
Now I remember what I put in the oven
serene berry
VS the good old days of cell duplicating and be done with it in 10mins before my...
that sounds like a way more fun version of R2D1 
serene berry
Now I remember what I put in the oven<:Hackett_Heart:784808449627783222>
now it'll be hot and ready for you instead of crisped!
valid marten
that sounds like a way more fun version of R2D1 <:KEKW:753771082854694962>
Imagine doing it like a full-day job where people take food break/ toilet break/ shower breaks in between. Maybe walk their dogs as well before it gets dark, max cringe
serene berry
ugh, god, i would hate having to take care of somebody, especially myself
self care is cringe
edgy matrix
it's protective of the environment, no water wastage
serene berry
game until you dehydrate, go out like a mummy king
wary marlin
One more question: was the scope of the sniper changed in r5? I know what r6 changed it, but idk about old scopes
valid marten
lets just never shower again
How you keep yourself hydrated then?
valid marten
it's protective of the environment, no water wastage
Except that RTX 4090 is drawing like 50% power off the local grid
rose nova
One more question: was the scope of the sniper changed in r5? I know what r6 cha...
i'm pretty sure the scope of the sniper was changed in r6, along with the assault rifle scope n some others, but the old guns have the same scopes that they had before
like the hel rifle
rose nova
How you keep yourself hydrated then?<:Shooter:813513180281045022>
u don't :3
storm quartz
AR's scope didn't change, HAR's scope did
coarse plinth
uh im brand new to the game i just need a lobby, the levels i have matchmakes with nobody. i have no friends whatsoever so ill take what i can get, ik somewhat of the basics but tell me what to do all u want. if u do add me, thank you.
rose nova
uh im brand new to the game i just need a lobby, the levels i have matchmakes wi...
helloo
yeah ingame matchmakin its uh gross but u can find people in the LFG channels!
.t lfg
foggy plankBOT
Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.
If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.
rose nova
just some advice!
ask to not be carried, be sure to do the tutorial first [Training], start on rundown 1 and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur vc
coarse plinth
just some advice!
ask to not be carried, be sure to do the tutorial first [Train...
i played b4 and i tried multiple lvls and did the tutorial, it just feels impossibel to run solo with the mindless ai
rose nova
ah, well they arent like bad to work with they r just really funky and yeah some levels are just impossib
i did up to r2d1 and a friend stopped at e1
and then r7 is just bonkers with bots most levels dont work with em
merry crypt
i did up to r2d1 and a friend stopped at e1
Correction taking a break from E1 because of the R4 update
but yea i'd highly recommend playing with people for R7
rose nova
Correction taking a break from E1 because of the R4 update
counts :] u stopped
rose nova
doesnt count :3
merry crypt
you're lucky you're cute >:(
rose nova
:3c
edgy matrix
i dont mind the ai THAT much, they're pretty good at killing small enemies lol
basically seal team 6 designed to kill infants
i wish they paid me, the name just stuck with me since 08', never changed it since lol
the dqp isnt even tasty, mcdonalds declined in quality big time, either that or i got some rose tinted goggles of going to mcdonalds when i was a kid
and am just remembering it as good as a kid when it was probably always shit lol
wispy bluff
This kind of talk always makes me think of fastfood scene for Falling Down.
"Look at this... Miserable, squashed thing..."
hot lynx
how many Doc.R edition are there on steam im level 3 now on that
gleaming marten
русские есть?
rose nova
fair spoke
русские есть?
clear radish
does the booster that raises regen cap add a percentage of 20, or give you that much more percent
winged narwhal
percentage of 20
50% regen cap booster lets you regen to 30
if it were that much extra we'd be able to regen to 100 with any aggressive regen cap
clear radish
haha nice
untold ravine
wispy bluff
If only in game helmets looked as cool
pastel dagger
Too bad I will update discord in 2024
warm parrot
Есть кто хочет поиграть? Я новичок.
gray pilot
I cant get the 6th one
You need to collect the foil badges
hot lynx
How
gray pilot
You buy them
pale hemlock
.t lfg
foggy plankBOT
Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.
If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.
wooden spoke
hi hi gamers
i have a favor to ask someone
if anyone got free time can you help me test out the game ?
i wasnt able to join lobbies anymore due to internet issues and wondering if its fixed now
i dont wanna join someone's LFG game and only to end up ruining it for them
pale zephyr
If only in game helmets looked as cool
I’m pretty sure those helmets are the scorpion and falcon
wispy bluff
They exist yes, but they are too transparent
You can never see the face in promo materials, but in game it's face galore
Urgh
pale zephyr
I agree, tho it could be some “deep meaning” 🫣 to show us that there human
I say keep the new head models, and tint the glass again
elfin osprey
is it just me pushing the game real hard
me when doing error alarm on r2c2: go really fast
other: we should take time gather resource
is the og r2c2 suppose to be a slow level?
valid marten
You could play the level at any pace by hammering the error waves
elfin osprey
You could play the level at any pace by hammering the error waves
its r2c2
but like
valid marten
Yea the error waves are quite small and not frequent at all, easily killed with melee
elfin osprey
whats the point of error alarm if it doesnt change people play style
elfin osprey
Yea the error waves are quite small and not frequent at all, easily killed with ...
i know, but its just weird seing people take their time
on a error alarm
valid marten
I guess it depends on the nature of the error alarm, c2 is just an introduction to the mechanic so
Like on E1 ppl kinda have to move quick as the alarm amplifies
elfin osprey
is the error alarm nature suppose to be make people go fast?
from my understanding, longer error alarm= more resource use
valid marten
I'd say it's meant to test how well players can cope under constant pressure
elfin osprey
r2c2 have too many resource
i guess its an introduction to error but
i may have push my team a little bit too much
atleast thats what i think so
valid marten
I think R2C2 is fine as it is, maybe R2E1/r3c1/r4c3 ovl would be a more appropriate example
elfin osprey
I think R2C2 is fine as it is, maybe R2E1/r3c1/r4c3 ovl would be a more appropri...
those level error alarm are better at making sure team go quick or loss resource
wispy bluff
it's still red
elfin osprey
what is red?
elfin osprey
?
valid marten
Same goes for reactor missions that requires code hunt, it forces the players to go faster or get punished. Although depending on player experience some timers can be very lenient
elfin osprey
Same goes for reactor missions that requires code hunt, it forces the players to...
r4e1 is get purnish alot reactor
its 1 of the few reactor that force you to deal with purnishing wave
valid marten
The most annoying thing about R4E1 extreme is the rng factor when it comes to enemy placement, if you get lucky with enemy spawn positions the stealth part can be very easy, if you get scuffed spawns either you have to opt for pulling rooms or take extra long sneaking through stuff which means more pressure for the defending team
torpid rose
play better win more
valid marten
am i pushing everyone too hard
That's a very subjective measurement, hard to define
mint light
Disgusting!
Poor Artek. bested by a name
valid marten
If you meant wanting a pug group to play to your liking best not to bother
burnt flume
If you meant wanting a pug group to play to your liking best not to bother
yeah that's how it goes, don't have the energy to micromanage people
just eh fuck it we suffer, not my fault
elfin osprey
no friend that want to play gtfo
valid marten
It's a game for masochists so I can't blame them
valid marten
I'm lucky enough to get 2 of my friends to hop into the GTFO meat grinder and they are both quick learners so it's much more fun than pugs
elfin osprey
its between i wait for ray/jish/bread/nik someone i know they are insanely good host or test my rng
valid marten
Still have a bot in the team but I'd take that
elfin osprey
and so far, r4c3, r4d1 and r4e1 is proving to be insanely hard with bad team rng
and i get that alot
valid marten
I think D1 would be okay as long as people know what to do and bring reasonable load out. C3 and E1 yea you do want to have competent players
valid marten
and so far, r4c3, r4d1 and r4e1 is proving to be insanely hard with bad team rng
I think the worst ones are those who don't listen to logic and constructive feedback
wispy bluff
I think we played with you for a moment. Forgot how it went.
burnt flume
I can't remember how many different people I've played it
elfin osprey
I think we played with you for a moment. Forgot how it went.
bad and good
burnt flume
some of them passable, some of them you'd rather not have, others chill as fuck and good to play with
elfin osprey
things can only go up or down
elfin osprey
I think we played with you for a moment. Forgot how it went.
if u met me on a level that is hard, i would say it went bad really fast
valid marten
I hardly pug these days if at all so I don't know whether the veterans would help people out or they just play in their own groups?
elfin osprey
if its a easy enough level, you would see me remove my ctrl button
wispy bluff
It was either R4C3, D1 or D2.
burnt flume
I hardly pug these days if at all so I don't know whether the veterans would hel...
bit of both
elfin osprey
It was either R4C3, D1 or D2.
then it goes bad
valid marten
But there's nothing stopping you to make friends in pug runs and start building your own team so
wispy bluff
Same, people can't make it past class 6
elfin osprey
idk how did i first try d2
elfin osprey
without my pant being wet
the bring cargo back part was so scary it is just unreal
1hp
with 1 massive wave behind
elfin osprey
mines blow up so a few of them spawn infront of
and no turbine
yes, i first try it with no turbine
that was the scariest game ever
me just want to complete main and leave
valid marten
This might be subjective to say but D2 is kinda chill with the correct strategy/load out, as in it's methodically based rather than execution based, you don't need to pull off some insane stealth/ next level shooting to get through it
elfin osprey
team be like: are u a scary guy?, man up and get over here, we are doing extreme together
mystic moss
This might be subjective to say but D2 is kinda chill with the correct strategy/...
that's the entire game tbh
junior latch
some of them passable, some of them you'd rather not have, others chill as fuck ...
Waiting for the pachi all player tierlist
mystic moss
what's actually in the turbine room, i've never been in there once even in og