gtfo-chat

[analog flicker]

The level has a Gimmick

[rose nova]

not really

[pastel dagger]

Long long man

[toxic kraken]

are they the sneaky shadow bois?

....

[pastel dagger]

It's rather gotta go fast

[toxic kraken]

or is it something else

[rose nova]

u will see

its fine

[toxic kraken]

uuuuh

is there something in there with me???

[mint light]

its just over an hour

[rose nova]

just concentrate in the present

[analog flicker]

R7C3 level length is more dependent how your team rolls

[toxic kraken]

bots

[vestal ore]

that's like every lvl

[pastel dagger]

Everything all at once

[analog flicker]

Then long long

[serene berry]

this is not spoiler chat lol

[mint light]

you'll have thrown bots aside by then don't worry

[toxic kraken]

lol

but but

they manage resources so autonomously! 😊

[vestal ore]

bots for r7d1 or d2 i forget which one

[toxic kraken]

🗿

[analog flicker]

Wastefully ngl

[pastel dagger]

Our best was first try no checkpoint 1 hour 30 min exact mark with a vr player

[toxic kraken]

nooo strategy fr

[rose nova]

they just care about u!

[vestal ore]

gtfo vr?

[rose nova]

its a mod

[pastel dagger]

A mod

[rose nova]

a mod

[pastel dagger]

But yeah

[rose nova]

a mod

[analog flicker]

*dauda sees me with 14% infection and starts using disinfects on me mid inside deep area of fog&

[toxic kraken]

but it is quite handy for a noob like me, as i can let them handle things and always know my squad is balanced out on ammo

[vestal ore]

they actually modded vr

wow

[pastel dagger]

You mean medpacks

[toxic kraken]

until i need somebody to have extra C foam and it's wasted on more turret ammo 🗿

[toxic kraken]

and tool, and gun ammo

lol

[rose nova]

pro tip when playin with bots just distribute resources as u find em on the crates then pick up the new one

[pastel dagger]

I actually needed that tonight as I was diving to grab the turbine

[analog flicker]

*when you see they maxed out mine deployer instead of foam/sentry

[toxic kraken]

🗿

[pastel dagger]

That's on you to distribute

[toxic kraken]

honestly so far they have done a fine job

... im on the easiest rundown

[rose nova]

:D

[analog flicker]

Bots do have a gimmick with grabbing resources out of lockers/boxes as well.

[toxic kraken]

they do that, ya

[analog flicker]

Iirc if you open a locker/box. And leave the resources inside. As in walking away beyond 3m of it. They will like believe it's free-game to grab

And this is when you initially open them iirc

[pastel dagger]

Just give them medipacks

Git gud so they never use em

[lavish jay]

if the game gives you medipacks to give them

[pastel dagger]

And they never steal shit

There are tons of medipacks in r4 so far

[lavish jay]

(there was one medipack in a locker in R4A1 which the bots didn't want to grab for some reason)

[rose nova]

cursed medi

was a sleeper

[pastel dagger]

Only saw 1 scuffed box placement

On either b1 or a3

[analog flicker]

My favorite thing about bots

Is if they choose to break padlocks

And it's considered silent

Though unlike players. Crates they break padlocks to. The crates don't open immediately

[pastel dagger]

Intended so they don't steal

[steep vessel]

why are you guys playing with bots

[pastel dagger]

No internet for me for like

2 to 7 working days

But also biotracker

[rose nova]

cause its funky

do u need more reasons

[pastel dagger]

Also something I noticed and never knew before

If bots carry something like a cell

And there is a wave

They actually drop it and shoot

[rose nova]

yeah
just dont tell em to pick up somethin in battle cause they r bugged and they wont

[wicked solstice]

sigh

[celest egret]

Damn so the bot can be more useful than both my mates then.

[pastel dagger]

I assumed they won't because as a player you have to manually drop

[rose nova]

bots r better than me fr

[pastel dagger]

Except if it's a turbine tho

Thanks dauda u kept me from infection we kept u alive

You also provided ability to see shit in this mist

[rose nova]

praise

they work really well with em

[pastel dagger]

Rush activate blood door which had a sneaky beaky class 4 was unexpected

Had to dive for bioscan

[swift wyvern]

Does anyone else just CRAVE making sure every last sleeper is dead, even if you don't need to kill it?

I will go out of my way to kill a sleeper no matter what

[sullen steppe]

ALL SLEEPERS MUST DIE

[visual lily]

fortnite

[burnt flume]

right now, if you... no never mind if I say that I'll get banned

[storm quartz]

Go back to the easier version

[unreal crystal]

It’s all easy wdym

Alt r5 will just be same difficulty

[torpid rose]

LOL

[unreal crystal]

Rick have you guys beaten all of r4 yet

[pine root]

The classic Rick LOL post

Honestly keep them coming

[torpid rose]

no

[lavish jay]

End of an era

[torpid rose]

mostly irl stuff for all of us

couple maps a day

[unreal crystal]

i see i see

d2 was kinda cool, e1 is worse imo

[torpid rose]

thats unfortunate

i take it the duo is free now

[unreal crystal]

oh for sure

burst sentry is broken anyway LOL

[torpid rose]

its ok

[unreal crystal]

they changed the tile before reactor tho

[torpid rose]

its good that its free so people can boost their ego

[unreal crystal]

true

gtfo players love having big egos

[torpid rose]

LOL

[unreal crystal]

dont know how much i rly care for this game at this point tho

feel like ive done most of the stuff i wanted to do

the duo for alt r4e1 seems rlly ez

[torpid rose]

i only play when we make a project for ourselves too so

im with you on that boat

[unreal crystal]

surely r8 will have smth fun to do

[torpid rose]

well theres like 2 fun guns now so

[unreal crystal]

at least i can still read these chats for amusement ig LOL

yea

[wispy bluff]

If the ending won't be a cool ass Call of Duty style cutscene - i'll be thoroughly dissapointed

[unreal crystal]

so true artek

[torpid rose]

I don't do this whole online friends thing. Introvert and all that crap. We're in it for the job, we get it done and back to life of blissful lack of connections and responsibilities. But promoting people to the rank of "friends" is just too much responsibility. Having to align our schedules, having to contact them, having to deny them when they contact me... No. LFG = No responsibility. We go in, we die, we call it a day

[unreal crystal]

ive tried them

theyre ok

its also just a pain in the ass to find ppl who want to tho

[unreal crystal]

so true rick

[torpid rose]

that was the most epic thing he said

[unreal crystal]

what a role model

[vestal ore]

what you mean free? what is free?

[unreal crystal]

wait arent u one of the ppl running heroic heart

thats cute

[vestal ore]

well na is a mixed bag cause really ppl from from the other lfg will join other regions so you never know who you'll get

[modern coral]

#lfg-general

[vestal ore]

basically

i've seen ppl post lfg in 3 different lfg regions

[mystic moss]

LFG R4C3
https://discord.gg/v9Hf7UKh 109775244270239149

[vestal ore]

bruh

[unreal crystal]

i love that level

i cant wait to join to play r4c3

[pine root]

I don’t

[unreal crystal]

my favourite level

[pine root]

Flash backs

[unreal crystal]

jish hop on

we get u ur d2 clear

i got mine earlier

[sharp owl]

hey noob here. only played one R4C1. is there any importance to doing prior stuff

[wispy bluff]

Not really, lore too convoluted to understand by just playing it.

Mostly just cosmetic unlocks and proper difficulty progression

A = easy
B = normal
C = hard
D = very hard
E = we don't like your kind here

[serene berry]

1. the joy of the game
2. uhhh
3. ummm
4. cosmetics

[sharp owl]

good nough.

[pine root]

I got it

[tribal pivot]

fight together die together. dont need a gimmick to be fun. its jsut good old coop

[unreal crystal]

huge

[pine root]

I was “ crying” cause bread was trying to get black dragon to dc

So I would have to pin it

Pub it

[tribal pivot]

Gamers today jsut spoiled little shits

[pine root]

??

[sharp owl]

what?

[wispy bluff]

Kinda self-explanatory, me thinks... But needs a proper thesis.

[tribal pivot]

not in responce to you 2

[vestal ore]

play too much gtfo you'll end up with brain fungus don't worry too much about it

[tribal pivot]

I enjoy riding my bike. I dont need it to be upgraded every year or have an anti gravity feature added. its a bike. I enjoy riding it. End

[wraith marsh]

I should pub e1

im sure itd be a fun and enjoyable experience

:clueless:

[tribal pivot]

gamers getting to accustomed to having gotcha gimmicky bs shuffed down their throats every quarter they have come to expect it and need to to enjoy themselves

sometimes jsut shooting extra dimensional zombie creatures with your 3 good pals is enough .

[unreal crystal]

so true!

thats so epic

[tribal pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/obama-mic-drop-largar-o-microfone-gif-7413222

[vestal ore]

vent channel when

[tribal pivot]

lol

[unique comet]

what a weird R4..
general rule of thumb was to fix a few old bugs before introducing new ones so there is at least a big chunk of the game that remains playable.
what's with the cells missing, apparel now missing forever because people played on patch day, game also crashing
what is even going on

[wispy bluff]

gamedev hard
programming hard
skeleton crew duty hard

[unique comet]

Unity3D
unites all bugs in a nice 3D environment

[pine root]

Cells missing has always been a thing

[unique comet]

never happened in my 500 hours

I even had some extra cells that have no generators for

[pine root]

What has personally happened to you doesn’t matter. It happens consistently enough that it isn’t weird. weird that it happened in a big zone

[unique comet]

[pine root]

But even that isn’t unusual r2e1 has a bug with fog turbine on one zone.

[untold steeple]

Man... R4 takes way long for 1 hour to finish each game.

[native zodiac]

1 hour jeez u guys are taking ur time XD

[normal lake]

from beginning to end all side objectives so far nothin has taken an hour

[vestal ore]

Yeah the game can be long it depends on the group your in and pacing mostly but play it casual enough and you’ll learn to enjoy it, R7 is objectively much much longer cause more stuff to learn if you never played before

But yeah an hour for R4 seems about right for most lfg teams

[normal lake]

actually yeah thats fair

we usually have a madman on knife duty clearing out entire zones in 3 minutes or less

depending on the zone

[vestal ore]

The one cracked teammate I ever met from lfg was a guy soloing giants with a bat

[wicked solstice]

pretty normal for bat

average bat user, it's really cool when they solo 2 giants at once

[rose nova]

:D

[wicked solstice]

yes u

[rose nova]

yes me!!

[normal lake]

i can pretty easily with hammer but i cant do it without waking up a room unless i got one sleepwalker ass giant

some people are cracked at melee tho

[vestal ore]

Yeah it takes practice which most ppl objectively don’t do not because heheheh average user heheheh bad nah just cause most gameplay doesn’t really require it more often then not you’re 2-4 manning giants a lot of the time, I’m sure theirs like some testing grounds where you can do that stuff

[normal lake]

r7c3 kinda forces you to learn how to solo or atleast duo melee giants

[wooden vapor]

i cant get past the first mission because bots are about as intelligent as me, and none of my friends own the game. any advice?

[wicked solstice]

ehhh, it gives you like 60 cfoams

you can kinda just foam all the giants

[normal lake]

me and my team insisted that cfoam was for nerds and proceeded to spend 10x longer on the map then necessary

[vestal ore]

Cfoam on giants lasts what 5 secs?

[normal lake]

make new friends in #lfg-beginners

its long enough to kill one if you hit the right spots

[vestal ore]

I just know it’s a very short duration

[wooden vapor]

Replace the old ones, got it. got any bodybags?

[normal lake]

altho gotta be careful if your slow cus sometimes they unfoam while your close and get a free hit in

[wicked solstice]

long enough to beat them up solo with a hammer

[normal lake]

not on hand but im sure the police will have some when they find the bodies

[wicked solstice]

which first mission out of curiosity

[normal lake]

doing 2 giants solo with a hammer is rough and takes some exceptionally good timing i cant say much for bat since i dont like it much

[vestal ore]

Tutorial

[wooden vapor]

r1a1

[wicked solstice]

training is solo

[rose nova]

i can give u some cardboard i- its not the same but could work

[wicked solstice]

advice- keep the bots away from sleepers

try to play further away from them and keep sleepers off you byu focusing the ones closest to you

what tools are you and the bots bringing

[wooden vapor]

how do you even control them, when i try to close the door their first instinct is to bumrush the other side

[normal lake]

if your looking to take the game on with fresh eyes i highly recommend staying away from long time players which generally includes this chat

[vestal ore]

What was the percentage of passing the training? 40 something%

[normal lake]

hold q

[wicked solstice]

that you have to fiddle with

[normal lake]

it gives you a list of options

[rose nova]

bots r helpful but u need to adapt to em a lot

[normal lake]

cant move em around they just follow you

[wicked solstice]

ehhh long time players can be fine as long as they don't carry

I used to guide a lot of new players

[normal lake]

gonna be real with you if a 200 hour plays with a 1 hour its going to be a carry no matter what they do

[wooden vapor]

so what should i ask in #lfg-beginners, someone please help my sorry ass?

[wicked solstice]

got really pissed when people would speedrun when I explicitly said I was training the newbie

[vestal ore]

Well take what most ppl say with a grain of salt and just learn to have your own fun don’t focus too much on these chats and just ask what helps you’ll eventually find someone who says something actually useful if not then experimenting is always there

[rose nova]

theres instruction on how to do a message in that channel in #how-to-matchmake
just some advice
ask to not be carried, and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur vc

[wicked solstice]

yeah it might technically be a carry but I make them do most of the stealth, have them deal with scouts, and teach them the core fundamentals

[rose nova]

well they just talkin about this but

still ask for it

[wicked solstice]

I usually don't melee at all unless they fuck up

and I try to teach them true stealth because bowling is a bit dumb for new players

[normal lake]

thats what i try and do with my close friends but even then you are still completely a backup

[wicked solstice]

yeah absolutely

I'm a safety net, but I'm not gonna try to hard carry

[normal lake]

even if they fuck up its not gonna wipe on a early level since one person with experience can handily deal with most things

[wicked solstice]

yeah, I see your point, and I raise you playing worse

if I'm coaching a newbie I take guns I'm shit with

both for my practice and to nerf myslf

my personal favorite combo is Prec rifle and dmr

[vestal ore]

Well this community has a plethora of helpers my favorite are the ppl that purposely bring new ppl to e1 missions

[normal lake]

i have coached a few people and my favorite moments are the first giant sleepers

[wicked solstice]

that I look down upon

[wicked solstice]

I love it when they're like "we're really gonna melee these?" and i'm like "yeah"

[normal lake]

"so to kill this one hit the back of the head good luck you got this" just watch em get turned into a red paste

[wicked solstice]

nah they usually fine

my friends fucked up the most

[normal lake]

i tell em to do it solo because im a dickhead and its always close friends im coaching

at the end of the day its a learning experience, to not trust me

[wicked solstice]

to reiterate tho - it can absolutely fine having a greybeard in a new player lobby as long as the new players learn

I let them experience the level, the horror, and kinda just sit back and watch their reactions, and help if it's needed

[vestal ore]

At least you guys actually communicate

[normal lake]

yeah as long as the greybeard dont participate to much for first few maps

[wicked solstice]

tbh it's really fun

[normal lake]

when its me and my friends its complete fucking autism

[wicked solstice]

yeah, I usually melee if they want to do a joint stealth takedown

which is fun bc I never fucking do that anymore

[normal lake]

dude i remember me and my friend teaching another friend "aight so give us a count down and we hit on the same time" then the mf just swings and completely ignored us

[wicked solstice]

TURE

[normal lake]

predictably all of us got wacked for 40% damage because he didnt even stagger the damn giant

[wicked solstice]

remember when we were all new

and we all were like

"ok you get the one on the left and I get the one on the right"

and now it's like

"ok you get those 5 and I get these 7"

[normal lake]

thats if you even say anything

[wicked solstice]

yeah it's implied

[normal lake]

i got a buddy im so in sync with we dont even time charger scouts anymore we just do it and almost always get it

[wicked solstice]

love going bowling

[vestal ore]

I love autism but not when I’m asking a person more experienced with that lvl hey got any tips for this part and they either say basic stuff like yeah just place stuff down wherever or just say we don’t need it 🙂 and then we wipe lol

[normal lake]

when someone ask me something general like that i always say "put it where you think would be best"

i dont like to provide awnsers to everything and generally turret positioning isnt super hard to figure out

[vestal ore]

I usually know goob spots but some room layouts and pathing don’t make sense in my head so I need second opinions

[normal lake]

altho seeing people place mines in really shitty spots is one thing i def dont like

i remember one guy nuking the whole team with a mine that no one saw him place

[normal lake]

generally if you dont know a good one is just to place it facing towards a entry point

or facing away from one as close to it as possible to get continuous shots

shit like sniper sentry does take a little bit more thinking tho

[vestal ore]

One that came to mind to me was the big open circle rooms n such from r2e1 those when I first tried it confused me for sentry placements cause I wasn’t sure which spots are like the most effective without them running past

[normal lake]

gonna be real i aint played that level because my team got lazy on r2d2 despite the level being way easier than a lot of the other shit we have done

[vestal ore]

R2d2 that the one with you either go through blood doors with fog or go through class 5 alarm doors to get the power cells?

[normal lake]

its the reactor map

[vestal ore]

Or was it the reactor

Ahhhhh yeah that was a fun map a bit boring for me since I guess after wave 5 started feeling repetitive but otherwise fun

[normal lake]

my group was getting sick of not finding shit so we kinda just decided it wasnt fun enough to finish

might return in the future but i kinda doubt it

[vestal ore]

I think when I did it the guys I played with brought ammo efficiency boosters so one guy basically always had us full on ammo we never really suffered but ik that map gives you a lot of resources

[normal lake]

wasnt a resource problem it was just the rooms and shit where just really annoying

i dont like the rooms that are multi floor to begin with and that map was full of em and on a timer

[vestal ore]

Yeah we did get some bad rng on some of the scout spawns with the multi level rooms which can suck at times cause again not everyone plays perfect so expect to make a mistake

[normal lake]

yeah its less that and moreso i would get lost a lot

i literally cant navigate multifloor levels and the map is worthless the moment there is more than 1 floor

[vestal ore]

Oh you definitely won’t enjoy r2e1 then once you get halfway through it

It’s basically that but with more fog

[normal lake]

to do r7d1 i literally had to map out the exact terminal locations in paint

and even then i had trouble navigating

[vestal ore]

Imagine if biotracker shows an arrow sign pointing up or down to let you know if an enemy of above or below you

[normal lake]

r7d2 is leagues harder than r2d2

but it was literally way easier for me

[vestal ore]

Terminals with snatchers?

Or is that another d mission

[normal lake]

that was d1 i think

d2 has the long corridor with the never ending error alarm

[vestal ore]

Awol?

[normal lake]

i think so

[vestal ore]

Ohh that one

[normal lake]

has the branching paths n shit that adds to the error

i think to this day that is one of the most fun maps in the game for me

way to much health resources tho kek

[vestal ore]

Honestly I’m just happy we have so much variety in gtfo for gunplay and combinations at least the objectives aren’t too stale I guess ik it’s the same go collect this but at least it’s slightly different objects to collect

[normal lake]

i dont really care much for reactors or levels that play similar to em i just dont find them that interesting or really fun

[vestal ore]

Those levels are mostly for the people who hated the stealth parts and wanted more action

But yeah ik what u mean it’s basically wave simulator but with codes and stealth rooms to rush through within time limit

[normal lake]

i think the stealth in the game is pretty fun as long as its not just rooms of smalls

[vestal ore]

Has stealth ever gotten any changes at all?

[normal lake]

with any amount of practice a room of smalls is effortless

[normal lake]

askin the wrong guy idk the history of the game much

there are a lot of new enemies and shit tho

[vestal ore]

Sadgness ik the stealth isn’t bad but I do know their is still that one bug from time to time since early early days where you kill enemy and then random enemy not even pulsating maybe 15m away decides I wake up ahhhhhh

Idk if it’s server or ping maybe, I just know that it happens from time to time

[normal lake]

idk but generally if you ask me if you aint waking up every room are you really playing gtfo right

[vestal ore]

I try to get everyone moving at the same pace but even that tires me out always communicating always being on bio so sometimes idc if a mission takes like 3 hours I just kinda wanna exist in gtfo sometimes

[rose nova]

if an enemy is glowin and u kill one that is far away-ish from him, it'll wake up

[normal lake]

today on r2a2 we cleared the class 3 alarm and unlocked the security door leading to the class 4 i told everyone aight go get cryo unit ima clear this area

just caveman with a knife

[elfin osprey]

i really need some help

[vestal ore]

Oh ik that that’s why I said they won’t be pulsating but still wake up like I said idk if ping or server I just know ppl have said that sometimes that happens and that it might be a bug

[elfin osprey]

how tha fuc

every single level in r4 so long

[vestal ore]

But that’s how it was in the beginning stages of the game as well

[normal lake]

dont do the side objectives if you aint prepared for a hour long setback save em for later

[elfin osprey]

they are annoyingly long

[rose nova]

mh maybe it's
idk
the trigger does start lil before the animation but
i'm not super knowledgeable either

[elfin osprey]

evan without side it is still annoyingly long

[rose nova]

maybe it is desync but that's a how far away the people r n stuff issue

[vestal ore]

You ever had that tho? You clock a charger or giant and then one randomly not blinking 20 meters out goes ahhhhh

[rose nova]

tbh i play with bots more than anythin but the couple times i was playin with someone else i did not noticed it

i'm sorry

[vestal ore]

Big sadge

[normal lake]

can always try playing faster but it usually will cost you hp and possibly ammo which makes it easier to wipe later

the levels really are not that long its just they got no checkpoints

so a single fuck up and your back to square one

[normal lake]

it happens to me and my group all the time and we all got mediocre internet so its almost certainly desync between clients

[idle viper]

My group finally beat R2D2! How does R2E1's difficulty compare to D2's out of curiosity? I need to mentally prepare myself lol

[vestal ore]

R2e1 is kinda a memefest

You’ll probably wipe on the first alarm standard for average lfg team then you’ll get about halfway and probably wipe a few more times trying to get to the end

[vestal crystal]

its not a bug, long aggro can trigger even 1 frame into their glowing state which doesnt look like they are glowing in those beginning frames

[normal lake]

dont they need to be close to wake up while glowing

[vestal crystal]

long aggro range is decently far

[vestal ore]

So basically if I kill an enemy and another is entering the glowing state at the exact same frame but obviously I don’t see it because desync, ping or whatever it still wakes up

[normal lake]

strange it feels way more inconsistent then anything

doesnt even need to be desync at that point tho yeah it could just straight up be ping

[vestal crystal]

yes

if you are really worried about long aggro just flash sync everything around first to be safe

then kill as they are exiting the glow state

[normal lake]

if you know can shit aggro through a wall or a partial wall like a crate

[vestal ore]

Curious what point can you move and kill when their glowing state ends ik sometimes their ending pulses give you a sort of few frames where they don’t pulsate again even while moving

Is it when they do the big recoil back pulsate?

[normal lake]

ive noticed there is a small window where they are still pulsing if you kill something nearby they wont wake up

[vestal ore]

Yeah I think as their pulsate ends theirs a timer between when they can pulsate again and I think that timer gives you those little frames where you’re free to move and kill normally without triggering much

[topaz ridge]

i cant seem to be able to invite my friend

any clues on how to do so?

[normal lake]

steam invites work and you can also invite using the lobby code

by sending them the code

[topaz ridge]

where would they put the code

because steam doesnt seem to be working

[normal lake]

i cant take a screencap but let me verify i know the spot

man i think i might be stupid cus i cant find the place where you put clipboard codes

[wraith marsh]

it automatically pops up if you have a code copied

[normal lake]

gotcha

[wraith marsh]

are both your games updated

[normal lake]

i never use codes so go figure i wouldnt know that

[topaz ridge]

we just restarted steam and now it works

ty!

much appreciated

[normal lake]

good

[wraith marsh]

nice

[pine root]

The reset rate is quite fast

Especially for the speedrun

It is good ground for optimization with movement

Especially going for perfect run

[lofty grotto]

Whew… tackled on A2-3 and B1 of R4 with my team

[normal lake]

how was the overload for a3?

i really enjoyed a2 overload/sec havent got to do a3 yet

[wicked solstice]

I love how this rundown is actually pacing the non-vets

[lofty grotto]

It was…. Interesting

[lofty grotto]

Definitely a bit of a hectic rush to the end

[normal lake]

with 250 hours in the game i definitly know plenty about it but its definitly nice to have a level thats challenging without being another copy paste reactor level

[lofty grotto]

Well.. considering that we did it without even knowing what the objectives was

(So far… haven’t encountered any shadows)

[normal lake]

going in blind is best way to play if you ask me

[lofty grotto]

We already did.

[normal lake]

based

[lofty grotto]

Made a new friend as well.

New friend had a nice and fun time experiencing what it’s like to play with someone who’s deaf.

Even though he said he felt bad about not telling me about mobs. I told him no worries!

Stuff like that always happens and it’s not his fault

[analog flicker]

plants mine behind you

[normal lake]

man playing with my buddy today on r4a2 i said multiple times "dont put the cell in that generator, do it in this one" and mf still ignored me and did it anyways

[lofty grotto]

shoots it while it’s next to you

[normal lake]

put it in the wrong fucking generator which would have wasted enough time that it was faster to just reset from the beginning

[lofty grotto]

We had quite the issue of trying to find where the hell our 4th cell is at…

[normal lake]

we didnt have any trouble with finding things

we even had an extra cell from one of the back zones that was pretty much useless

[manic phoenix]

Does anyone have advice/loadout tips for dealing with Chargers? I've tried R1C2 three times, and got completely destroyed on the first alarm with only Chargers first try and third, then got to the other Charger-only alarm to zone 100 near the end the 2nd time, and got absolutely wrecked! I'm playing with 3 bots, which isn't ideal, but it's what I have atm. I'm guessing they don't have a weak spot on their head?

[quartz cape]

chargers have no weak spot, the only way to deal more damage to them is to hit them in the back
the HEL gun is usually pretty good against them, especially in groups, and the burst cannon can be good for this as well, as long as you can get your ammo's worth by spreading out the burst

[manic phoenix]

Oh, I didn't think of the HEL gun, thx. I've tried Combat Shotgun which was okay because of the stagger, but having those guys close is not fun. Guess I just need to get used to the charge-up!

[boreal yew]

Hel rifle one shot a charger even 40m away. If you'd like to delete some chargers give it a shot

[craggy prairie]

this game easy to play on controller?

[thick temple]

it's passable for the combat, but you can't do anything on the terminals

unless you swap to keyboard for them

[trim sail]

quick question: what are the requirements to unlock E1

finish all main level ? or just D tier

[thick temple]

usually clearing all other mains

[vestal crystal]

didnt they have those keyboard attachments for some console controllers

[shell crag]

How do I find peeps to play with I’ve been sitting in a lobby for 10 min lol

[thick temple]

don't use in game matchmaking if that's what you're doing

[shell crag]

Ohhh okay

[thick temple]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[shell crag]

Thank you

[craggy prairie]

dang...have my pc next to my tv atm. Terminals common? Watching a video about the game atm, seems like one person can handle terminals?

[shell crag]

Probably not but you can put in AI with you

[plucky gust]

without any spoilers how different is R4E1

[pine root]

tiles and sleeper denisty

[iron elm]

@hoary sorrel why you afking in games dude, just trolled my game, and the game of the guy i was playing with before. whats your deal? why join a lobby to just stare at a wall? are you scared of the mobs or something?

[plucky gust]

damn im assuming they lowered it ;w;

[iron elm]

@hoary sorrel whats your deal dude?

[pine root]

and no fogs in start section

[plucky gust]

how do u get back??

[pine root]

fog dive

[plucky gust]

fun

[pine root]

send one

[vestal crystal]

@hollow quarry in the patch notes for the low rpm machine gun it says that shell casing size was increased, does that have any effect on actual game/gunplay or is it just a visual thing

[quick gust]

I FINALLY DID IT T-T R1B1 IDC IF ITS EASY IM HAPPY. I HAD TO DO IT SOLO T-T

[rough robin]

is there any logic behind gun lights

The bullpup rifle's a longer-range gun with the 2nd shortest gun light, the PDW has an effective range of 5m and a thermal sight but a long and wide flashlight

the revolvers a precision headshot gun with the shortest range flashlight in the game

[edgy plover]

@wicked solstice No

[weak sable]

wsp guys im tryna find 2 people to team up with im pretty much a noob and my friend too so get ready for a lot of mistakes

[mint light]

terminals mandatory

[mint light]

LFG channels : #lfg-beginners

[weak sable]

oh ty

[hollow quarry]

Sounds like a visual thing to me 😉

[rough robin]

i think it's to signify it's shooting a higher-caliber bullet

post-rework

[low kettle]

You guys can get people to join your games?

So I might catch some flak for this, I don't know. But I feel that a healthy future for the game, fixing the current multiplayer matching system needs to take a massive priority. Sometimes I feel lazy and want to just click a button and have a match made, not worry about having to gather a group in a call. I can't imagine how many new players the game loses because people don't try the discord or (like me at times) are simply too lazy to gather a group.

[modern coral]

Been brought up repeatedly for the past year, the company doesn't care enough.

For unclear reasons.

Server browser R8 Copium

[low kettle]

Who's the company?

[thick hornet]

10 Chambers

[sharp owl]

10 cucumbers

[modern coral]

Most informed GTFO purchaser.

[sharp owl]

real

matchmaking is asking for trouble

[low kettle]

Found the website and a list of names. Now just gotta find associated emails

[floral verge]

are r4 lower levels harder than r7?
and what about higher ones?

[mint light]

R4 is harder than R7

[modern coral]

Higher ones are about on-par.

[trim hamlet]

Message @hollow quarry anything, he's there to chat with you

[mint light]

its the early levels that hit harder, and R4E1 ofc

[modern coral]

Ngl, sending emails has better odds of getting through to something.

Both probably won't do anything, but...

[mint light]

so R4 is just harder

[floral verge]

👍

[modern coral]

This is cope

[mint light]

?

[low kettle]

If I'm sending emails, they're going to as many as I can get. Starting with the CFO they have listed.

[mint light]

you want to say R7B2 is on par with R4B2?

[modern coral]

If you just do Secondary? Yeah, absolutely.

[mint light]

that will just get you banned

[mint light]

nah I'm always talking about levels as a whole

[modern coral]

R4B2 PE is about on par with R7B3 PE.

That's just a horrendous way of comparing anything.

[final crater]

nah R7 don't have gaint charger

[trim hamlet]

it won't get you banned, it just won't have as positive impact as you're hoping vs actually talking to the community manager who will be able to address your concerns and bring it up with the right people

[mint light]

its a legit way as the main reason why R4 is harder than R7 is it having 12 secs and 7 PE's

you compare the rundown, you compare the whole content

[low kettle]

If it gets me banned, then I'll take the ban knowing I tried to help them improve and move on.

[mint light]

it does tho

[mint light]

spamming them ?

[modern coral]

Still a meaningless comparison.

More content != harder, just means more content.

[low kettle]

Not spamming. One email.

[final crater]

no R7 don't have gaint charger like as many as R4C3 PE

[modern coral]

More hard content != harder, either.

[trim hamlet]

Have you tried actually sending a private message to the community manager first? You know, the guy who's job it is to interact with the community, raise up community concerns, frustrations, feedback, etc?

[mint light]

when there is more content and thus more stuff to struggle on it will make the overall rundown harder

[modern coral]

It'll take longer, but it won't be harder.

[mint light]

it would be more struggle and it would make completing that rundown harder than the other one.

[low kettle]

I shall do this first, then.

[modern coral]

If I do 2 things at a certain difficulty level vs. 1 thing at a certain difficulty level, that's not harder, I'm just doing it more.

[mint light]

take B2.

[modern coral]

R7 A-tier doesn't become harder if you copy paste A1 20 times.

[mint light]

R7 B2 you do 2 uplinks and a GLP search

[modern coral]

It's still A1, you just do it 20 times for some reason.

[mint light]

R4B2 you have constant error and do cell search. But because it has ovl it adds a classVI + Class IV/blood door

[final crater]

never saw someone solo r7e1

[mint light]

cause it can't be done without cheese

the cheese run is on youtube tho

[final crater]

ahahaha

yeah cheese

[mint light]

I think cheddar

[vestal ore]

r7e1 is just built diff

[modern coral]

Doing R7B3 twice doesn't make R7 harder, it just means I have to pass a B-tier Overload twice.

It's still B-tier Overload.

[mint light]

R4B2PE is harder than R7B2sec you agree? lets say I agree on the R4B2 sec vs R7B2sec thing.

[modern coral]

Yes, and it doesn't matter whatsoever.

R4B2 Secondary is not very hard.

[mint light]

it does matter cause now you put that principle on the whole rundowns and you can say R4 is harder

because of that very reason

[modern coral]

The per-tier and per-objective difficulty is what matters, the size of the rundown doesn't dictate its difficulty at all.

You can have a hard but small rundown, and you can have a large but easy rundown.

[mint light]

I understand what you try to say Ray, but I go from the principle of doing everything

[modern coral]

They are unrelated.

Yes, and doing everything, it's not harder.

It just takes longer.

[mint light]

we just established that here

[vestal ore]

nah the true diff is the mental pressure you accumulate over time

[mint light]

👆

you agree'd

if you want we can go level per level

[modern coral]

This individual objective combo is easier than this individual objective combo, but it's not a proper comparison.

[mint light]

won't change the outcome

[modern coral]

If I want to know if R4's B-tier is harder than R7's B-tier, I'm not going to just compare random levels to random levels.

[mint light]

ok then lets check the tier

[modern coral]

I'm going to look at what their objectives are and how the comparable objectives compare to each other.

R4 B-tier PEs are not anything wild, and R7 B-tier PE is pretty on-par in comparison.

[burnt flume]

This argument is kinda going nowhere

[vestal ore]

i guess u could also say assuming both lvls are equal that the longer missions would have more chances to make mistakes

[burnt flume]

It depends how you define difficulty and what exactly you're looking at

[mint light]

Never said they were wild, I said the R4 B tier is harder than the R7 B tier

actually I said R4 is harder than R7

[burnt flume]

Mechanically it may not be any more difficult, but it could be more testing

[modern coral]

I'm not making any such accusation, I'm comparing PE to PE.

[burnt flume]

I'd say (original) r4e1 is the hardest mission they've made, but r5e1 cell skip is more testing

[mint light]

yeah but the original question was about R4 vs R7

[modern coral]

R3 A-tier is not harder than R1 A-tier by virtue of just having more levels.

[burnt flume]

Difficult in different ways

[vestal ore]

hey some find r2e1 more diff than r7e1 it just comes down to what you value as diff

[mint light]

never said so

[modern coral]

That is implied by what you're saying to me right now.

You're telling me that R4 B-tier is harder by virute of having more PEs.

[vestal ore]

but to be fair r7e1 was kinda snooze at times so i can see why

[mint light]

nah what I say is that if you compare R4 B tier to R7 B tier, R7 B tier (except B3) gets trashed

[modern coral]

That is not what you said, you are saying that R4B2 is harder by virtue of being PE and R7B2 not being PE.

[mint light]

you literally agreed with me that R4B2PE is harder than R7B2sec

[fair escarp]

R7b1 exist and could be considered A tier. Yes r7 b tier is easier. But it's fine. Alt r4 is just a waterdowned version of og r4

[mint light]

no

not what I'm saying

[modern coral]

That is exactly what you are saying.

[mint light]

it was just a sample example. we can look at the whole tiers if you want

[vestal ore]

they said the same for alt r2 at the time, but honestly i kinda enjoyed them changing some of the room layouts for the alt but no one mentions that idk why big sad

[modern coral]

Anything you say is going to ultimately boil down to "R4 has one more PE and one more Secondary"

[fair escarp]

The room layout in alt r4 is disgusting

[modern coral]

You have no other position.

[fair escarp]

Just makes things easier for the most part

[modern coral]

It's more-so enemy density.

[vestal ore]

you mean making the map layout more linear? instead of branching into random dead ends with fog?

[modern coral]

They made maps a bit bigger for some reason, but R4 was already big.

Main issue is there's not very many enemies.

[mint light]

You can look at it how you want, R7 B tier is easier than R4 B tier, cause R4 Btier has basically 2 times a R7B3 challenge and R7 has a B1 that is basically A tier DIFF

[modern coral]

Random scout groups especially made up a lot of the population in OG R4.

[vestal ore]

wasn't that a meme at the time a room with like 5-6 scouts or something

r4 or r5 i dont remember

[modern coral]

And so R3's A-tier is harder than R1's A-tier, because it has 3x the challenge of R1A1.

[fair escarp]

No. R4 d1 always had 5 scouts

[mint light]

nah R3A3 is legit harder than R1A1

[fair escarp]

Secret wave 5 :)

[modern coral]

It certainly is, but it doesn't have to be.

if we nerfed R3A3 to be about where it was before, if not easier.

[mint light]

what you do is take the highest challenge, say they both meet that standard and then say they the same

[modern coral]

Your beliefs imply that R3's A-tier is 3x harder than R1's A-tier.

Full stop

[mint light]

no thats why I think you're not really getting what I say

[modern coral]

I'm not comparing the highest challenges, I'm comparing Mains to Mains, Secondaries to Secondaries, PEs to PEs.

[modern coral]

I think you don't understand what straightforwardly follows from your beliefs.

[mint light]

but you can't be doing that when you compare TIERS

or rundowns

[modern coral]

If 2 PEs is 2x harder than 1 PE, then 3 Mains is 3x harder than 1 Main.

[mint light]

that is NOT what I say

[low kettle]

Annnd sent.

[modern coral]

Why? We're comparing the balance of B-tier to the balance of another B-tier.

R4 and R7 B-tier each have the same balance.

[junior latch]

r4b2 is similar to r7b3
r7b3 is harder than r7b2

r7b2 is thus easier than r4b2

but yes ray, you can also compare the main vs main, or main/sec vs main/sec if one doesnt have both

[mint light]

we are comparing the tiers straight up.

and then R7 don't hold up

[junior latch]

this rly just depends on how you look at stuff

a level is litteraly harder when it has more of the same

is 1 tank as hard as 5 tanks seperatly? no it isnt lol
is a level with 1 class 3 alarm as one with 3? nope

its not the same as 1 class 3 alarm vs a class 6
or 1 tank vs 3 at once

but its also a way to increase difficulty (whether its the best at all times thats another topic)

[modern coral]

You're not comparing the tiers, you're comparing the individual levels.

[mint light]

I know you are looking at it objective wise

but that don't hold up

[vestal ore]

let em cook okay they discussing this is better than responses of skill issue or copium

[sharp owl]

I aint reading any of this but rayalot is right

[modern coral]

If you were accurately representing your own position, you would just agree that R3's A-tier, even if nerfed, is harder than R1's A-tier.

[mint light]

nah

you miss the point totally

[vestal ore]

neither did i so i'll agree with DJDNA to balance it out

[mint light]

uits way more basic than that

[modern coral]

You do not understand your own position.

[mint light]

bruh thats just a dumb thing to say

[modern coral]

If we compare R1A1 to R3A1, then we get to R3A2 and R3A3, we can see clearly that R1's A-tier doesn't have any competition against either level.

[mint light]

look

[modern coral]

So R3 is harder.

[mint light]

I'll make it super simple

[modern coral]

(on A-tier)

[mint light]

Is R4B1 harder than R7B1

[modern coral]

No.

[junior latch]

ray lol what

[mint light]

taking into account ALL objectives

[junior latch]

doing r4b1 as a whole... isnt harder than r7b1?

[vestal ore]

aren't they both easy levels?

[mint light]

he gets it

[modern coral]

Oh, I thought R7B3.

[junior latch]

main only i can definetly see an argument for them being very similar (tho tbf ive only done the level rn with omega desync)

[mint light]

not the point R4B1 is objectively harder than R7B1

[modern coral]

No, it is harder.

[mint light]

ok

[junior latch]

oh yea bruh, r7b3 is for sure harder than r4b1

[mint light]

R4B2 vs R7B2

which one ?>

as a whole !

[modern coral]

I don't know why you're belaboring a point we both understand.

[vestal ore]

ohh i see you're literally asking it by like a marginal basis like even if it's 1% harder ur basically asking objectively

[mint light]

ok so if you understand that

[junior latch]

if we rank the whole of r4 vs r7 b tier, how would you rank those?
ive not done b2 and b3 fully (and didnt in og, so im actually not someone that can say anthing for now)

[modern coral]

DJ, if you truly believe that you can compare R1A1 to R3A1, and R3A2, and R3A3, then...
That implies that you can compare R4B1 to R7B2, R4B2 to R7B3, and R4B3 to R7B3.

[mint light]

then you agree that as a whole R4 B tier is harder than R7 B tier

its simple af

[mint light]

you can compare them however you want

[modern coral]

R4 is harder by virtue of having more content, same as R3's A-tier is harder than any A-tier with only one level by virtue of having more content that is at least on-par with any A1.

[modern coral]

Okay, so by that comparison R4 and R7 are equal on B-tier.

[mint light]

they arent thoi

[modern coral]

You are using a schema for comparing R4's B-tier to R7's B-tier that you are, for whatever reason, unwilling to use anywhere else.

[junior latch]

eh the the 2nd half ot his imo isnt a good point

yes the r3 a "tier" with 3 levels is harder than r1 a "tier"
But putting that to it being more levels is wack, when all 3 A levels of r3 are harder than the ones in r1,r2 and r7

[mint light]

cause there will always be 2 R4 levels winning

[modern coral]

Is you schema is compare each individual level in sequence, correct?

Or compare each level to exactly one other level?

[junior latch]

a better comparision would be smth like r2 D tier vs r6 d tier

[mint light]

I look at the levels to then look at the tier

[modern coral]

What does that mean?

Give me an actual schema

[mint light]

Again I understand how you look at it

[junior latch]

i mean for now R4 has prob 2 of the 3 hardest A tiers (i honestly feel like r3a3 is harder than r4a1 rn)
havent played past B2 in alt r4 yet so

[modern coral]

If you have literally no schema, your comparison is simply arbitrary.

Give me a schema.

[mint light]

its simple R4B1, B2, B3 hold more challenge than R7 B1, B2, B3

[modern coral]

That's not a schema.

[mint light]

in what format

[modern coral]

How do we compare some collection of levels to another collection.

[junior latch]

on what specifically for now?

i like comparing singular levels down to a lot of things. In that way i can give them a rough ranking for difficulty

and if for example the A tier of 1 rundown has 3 in the top 5 while the other only has 1 in 7th, then the first is harder

[mint light]

thats just trying to disprove something just cause you don't get a point without a schema

[modern coral]

How do we evaluate the difference between {x, y, z} and {a, b, c}

[junior latch]

ranking them vs each other

[mint light]

bruh

[modern coral]

You have a clear schema, DJ does not.

[mint light]

we literally just did

[junior latch]

theres a multidude of ways
either as a 1-X ranking
a tier list with rough tiers
a match layout (where you compare every level to another, which results in a rough "list"

[modern coral]

So let's say I have {x} and {a, b, c}

How do I compare just one item to 3 other items?

Are you taking an average?

Do we assign each points and total those?

[junior latch]

i think dj just didnt do a good job of bringing his point across here

[modern coral]

He doesn't understand

his own position

[mint light]

I mean we can jump vocal

[modern coral]

I will repeat this until I get a clear Schema

[vestal ore]

it's not easy to compare, you have to factor a lot of things i mean if you even wanted to you could factor ohh do weapon loadouts from a 4 stack trivialize
said mission compared to x mission?

[junior latch]

eh i know your point already, thats why i said you didnt do a good job of bringing it across to ray

[mint light]

nah you are stuck so far in your own way of viewing that you can't understand what I say

[junior latch]

we did the r1, r2 r7 rankings

[mint light]

I know m8

[mint light]

thats why I say we can always jump vocal

[modern coral]

I understand what you're saying perfectly, you don't actually have any abstraction for comparing things so you just kind of eyeball it and then act like you have a specific comparison method.

[vestal ore]

lfg to discuss r4 vs r7

[mint light]

M8

[junior latch]

dunno if thats what dj does for himself
but when we did the ranking back then we compared the level step by step

enemy density, alarms, ressources, etc etc
also this for vets and from a beginner perspective

[modern coral]

Give me a schema, you've given me 0 info on how to compare two arrays of levels.

[sharp owl]

when is the official r4 differences writeup coming?

[modern coral]

So how do you compare 1 level to 3 levels?

If it's not possible to go step by step.

Do you just arbitrate, do the 3 levels win by default?

[junior latch]

compare the 1 with each of the 1 individually

[mint light]

but we were not doing that 😏 we compared 3 levels m8

[junior latch]

then theres multiple possible things that might happen

[vestal ore]

do you factor in how many tries a lvl takes with a 4 stack? or if loadouts trivialize the lvl?

[modern coral]

It seems very obvious to me that, if comparing 1 level to 3 levels is a bit wacky, and a bad comparison, then obviously comparing 2 PEs to 1 PEs is also a bit wacky, and maybe a bad comparison.

[mint light]

we actually did take into account how many tries it would kinda take for a new team

[mint light]

You are missing the point COMPLETELY

[junior latch]

the 1 is harder than all 3 -> tier with the 1 is harder
the 1 is as hard as the 3 -> both are similarly hard, tho the tier with 3 is overall "tougher" in isolation. Since theres more of the same difficulty
the 1 is easier than the 3 -> easy clap for 3

a mix of easier and harder. In that situation you usually explain specifically when needed. Otherwise you look at how much stuff is different

Say r7b tiers. B3 is a lot harder than the other 2. And b2 is a good chunk harder than b1
personally B1 is easier than say r3b1 and b2. But both B2 and B3 are harder than those 2. Overall id rank R7-B tier higher

[modern coral]

If you want to arbitrate between those cases, that's fine.

But say so explicitly.

I'm not making a very big ask of you there.

[junior latch]

anybody who knows me that i severly overcomplicate stuff to cover bases for rankings

[fair escarp]

You wanna know how the PEs were seen by the devs? As a level in a tier below. Which is also why you don't see E1PEs because that would equal a F tier and they said no to F tier

[mint light]

IF R1A1 was harder than all 3 R3 A's (going on your example) I woulkd say R1 A tier is harder

it aint tho

[modern coral]

So what if R7B3 PE were harder than every R4 B-tier w/ all objectives?

[fair escarp]

It's not though

[mint light]

THEN I would say R7 B tier is harder

it aint tho

and it would not mean that R7 as a whole is harder than R4

[vestal ore]

the one comparison that always bothers me is weapons because u don't have the same tools available it's similar to comparing og rundowns to alt, the gameplay is just different so their's always gonna be that grey line of uncertainty

[modern coral]

Okay, I just hard disagree, and I feel like this isn't how you're making the comparisons anyway.

[mint light]

cause after that there is also the whole rundown

[mint light]

its a free discord

[modern coral]

Nobody is talking about this.

[mint light]

disagree if you want

[junior latch]

i mean i usually just compare og to alt of the same rundown

alt to alt is easy to compare

[modern coral]

Like, if we actually overruled everything if exactly one level is the hardest.

[mint light]

you said earlier more does not mean harder

[modern coral]

And we have exactly one level that is about on-par with everything in the other tier.

[modern coral]

I am talking about your beliefs.

Not mine.

[mint light]

I did not say more is harder

[sharp owl]

rayalot can u carry me through r4a1 main pls

[modern coral]

What implies that you believe more is harder?

[mint light]

you talk about my "beliefs" ?

[vestal ore]

i can see at times more being harder if you look at it as okay more of x so more potential chances to make mistakes, that's just my view tho

[modern coral]

Yes, and what that I said about your beliefs implies that more is harder.

Like, if we actually overruled everything if exactly one level is the hardest.
What in here?

Says that?

[mint light]

ok you responded to the wrong message. No I see. ok go on

[modern coral]

If we accept that one level being the hardest trumps the comparison...
Why wouldn't we also accept that one level being on-par with everything on the other tier trumps the comparison in a similar way, making both tiers about on-par?

At least on-par*

[mint light]

simpple

[junior latch]

agree
the general difficulty is the same
the overall difficulty will be higher since theres more to it

[mint light]

for the simple fact that to complete the R4 B tier you'd have to do R7B3 type of "hard" level (i would actually even say R4B3 is harder than R7B3, but thats debatable) two times. while in R7 tier you'd get such a challenge only once and the other two would be total pushovers. hence R4 B tier overall is just harder to complete

[shut vapor]

I feel like i have missed an entire interesting discussion

[modern coral]

I just disagree with the hodge-podge of rules. If a hardest level can trump a comparison, even if the average difficulty is quite low or the tier is quite small, that feels a bit arbitrary.

If the hardest level determines the difficulty of the tier in the case that it's harder, I don't see why it wouldn't also determine the difficulty of the tier in all cases. That seems like a more consistent rule that only looking at the hardest level in specific circumstances.

Because it feels like you're comparing based on the hardest level sometimes, and other times it's more-so an aggregate or average.

[mint light]

is R4 B tier harder to complete than R7 B tier? last question

yes or no

[modern coral]

The question assumes we resolve the debate we're currently having.

My answer is no.

[fair escarp]

L

[mint light]

you are high AF

its ok tho

[modern coral]

The skill requirement is identical.

[mint light]

but we have to conclude the debate for now

[modern coral]

It just takes longer.

[fair escarp]

It's a different set of skill ray

No error alarm un r7b tier

[junior latch]

Ray
how would you rank the individual levels between r4 B tier and r7 b tier?

from 1st to 6th?

[modern coral]

This is not, in any way, a position that DJ has espoused explicitly.

[fair escarp]

That's a difference in skill

[junior latch]

and how far apart would you rank them? (say r7b1 being a lot easier than r7b3)

[modern coral]

My main issue that I'm debate-broing DJ over is that their position is a bit vague, and, at least as long as they don't more clearly outline what it is, seems to imply certain things that DJ themselves does not believe.

[mint light]

you can say "his" (official permit is given)

[modern coral]

That's just how I speak.

i.e. if we compare hardest to hardest, assuming no other qualms about R7B3's difficulty, it would imply that the R4 B-tier and R7 B-tier are on-par. But DJ evidently doesn't believe that, so we can't merely be comparing hardest to hardest.

Like, an averages position fits DJ's beliefs best imo, but he's not taken it explicitly so... Here we are.

[modern coral]

I don't think that this position is unfair, though.

[hollow quarry]

Would take serious resources to implement at this stage and I don’t believe it’s a magic bullets. Could help though.

[hollow quarry]

My job is meaningless 🥹

[hollow quarry]

Why would we ban someone who sends an email? Our CFO would be a little surprised though 😉

[mint light]

Nah at some point it seemed like he planned to send tons of e mails. Ofc you wouldn't ban someone for sending one mail

[low kettle]

It would be one to each person.

[spark arrow]

how to order bots to put a turret?

[rose nova]

Q - 1 - 5 6 7 to use their tools

Q is a quick chat

[wispy bluff]

Q > Deploying Tools > Press corresponding commands

[low kettle]

Took me a bit to figure this out myself

Cause I noticed "Wait. They never placed their turrets"

[distant swift]

bought this game a while back to play with a friend and he never played with me

its the weekend im off and im just trying to run it 😂

[rose nova]

if u wanna find funky people to play with, u can use the LFG in this discord server :]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[rose nova]

just some advice!
ask to not be carried, be sure to do the tutorial first [Training], start on rundown 1 and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur vc

[distant swift]

oh i dont want to be carried lmao

[rose nova]

yeah carryin is stinky n bad
so ask to not get it ksdmk

[fair escarp]

Might as well ask to not play with any veterans. Because they will carry you one way or another since they got a lot more experience then you :)

[wispy bluff]

No-no, its very simple

Don't touch terminals, don't rush ahead, don't just "stealth" entire rooms by yourself

Become THE bot

Just one that fights better

and ban hammers

[coarse grail]

but when your teammates go down you go get eaten too

[little ridge]

I'm happy to say R4D1 Extreme is kinda the same?

||It didnt have a scan at the end IIRC||

And overall everything felt easier in Main

if only a bit

[desert frigate]

hey, put that in the spoiler chat @little ridge

[fair escarp]

alt r4 is jsut waterdowned r4 with inverted tiles 🙂

[little ridge]

Done but I dont think it's that big of a spoiler tbh

[sharp siren]

So was every other alt

alt r4 did the grave mistake of making things bigger

[pale zephyr]

Having to add more cosmetics

R5 and R6 will suffer the same fate when it comes to cosmetics

But I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt they’ll have some

[rose nova]

devs said they do have lots more that havent been added and so they havent been datamined

but they do have

[analog flicker]

So they claim.

[stark imp]

Hmm, what happens once all levels are out? Will those people who didn't complete everything since R6 just get less cosmetics and potentially be locked out of some of them forever?

[analog flicker]

Like many other games have promised like before

Why would they get less?

[stark imp]

If the devs have to add extra cosmetics for those who unlocked everything since R6.

That means more cosmetics than there are opportunities to unlock them.

[analog flicker]

They'll likely just keep the prior ones and maybe add some others

Like the R6 ext helmet will probably stay

Lugubrious

[rose nova]

didnt calle said like they were lookin for options to be on line again

[fair escarp]

or you know. jsut do a check that if all missions have been completed once the end life cycle life is confirmed, it gives you everything you don't own

[analog flicker]

I'm low-key curious if limited time cosmetics will remain limited time/unobtainable

[stark imp]

That would probably be the most straightforward solution, or just accepting the fact that some players will run out of cosmetic drops sooner due to earlier unlocks.

[vernal stag]

Should I buy this game?

[rose nova]

if u think its up ur alley, and u wanna really wanna invest hours into it, u could
at the end its about if ur into this type of game, difficult long cool experiences

[elfin osprey]

no

[low kettle]

If you are prepared to host matches and finding groups here? Yes. If you want a quick join type of multiplayer that doesn't require massive communication tactics, no.

The multiplayer matchmaking is not good on just the game itself.

[sharp owl]

no

[rose nova]

maybe

:3

ah think they r gone

[serene jewel]

Gtfo just lost a sale we are never getting R8 now....

[sharp owl]

it was never coming anyway

[wary marlin]

ok...is r4e1 cursed?

[sharp owl]

no its the easiest E1

[meager olive]

😳

[wary marlin]

do you want some R4E1?

[analog flicker]

[wary marlin]

ah, solo r4e1...why

i'm not good at kiting

[unreal crystal]

Not rlly

It’s pretty fun

[sharp siren]

fun just like the og

[wary marlin]

its if you have ppl who will play...and dont ruin...and dont crying what i dont use mic

[sharp siren]

theres this thing we all do that its called "I've lfg for many hours until i find the friend i play on regularly" method

really effective

[wary marlin]

but if you muted, most ppl just avoid

checked xD

[sharp siren]

play with many people who dont use mic

[burnt flume]

I mean, I don't have a problem with mutes but I prefer it when there's more people talking

Feels more fun that way

[sharp owl]

u dont need to talk just listen :3

[sharp siren]

as a matter of fact i do play with a friend for the past 3 years who ive never heard his voice exept 1 time

[sharp owl]

@native zodiac like this bozo

[wary marlin]

but sometimes, especially in stealth, you prefer listen game(sleepers) instead of ppl

[burnt flume]

It literally does not matter

[sharp siren]

or this @ivory pier mf

[burnt flume]

I can hear them over people talking and music

[ivory pier]

🫡

[pine root]

thank you soilder keep up the good work!

[spark arrow]

guys, i have out of sync with my frend, can you help me, what i need to do to fix it?

[main depot]

109775244435101714

[shut vapor]

Can't believe we griefed at the end of E1 secondary

[modern coral]

What happen?

[raw shard]

Birther moment

[faint pumice]

hot moms in your area

[shut vapor]

We scuffed our way through all 6 waves, multiples downs, a single shadow giant escapes the last room and triggers the birhters

[faint pumice]

hybrid almost clutched the terminal code

[modern coral]

Omegalul

F

[shut vapor]

Huge throw

[sinful gyro]

personally i avoid mutes. I dont have a problem with them, i just like having callouts while we are fighting

this entire game requires communication

[little ridge]

not nearly as much as you probably think

I've found some mute players that play A LOT better than a lot with mics

actually, on average, it's probably more on that side

[sinful gyro]

i know it doesnt technically "require" communication, but i prefer it. Good communication makes any situation better

[fallow thorn]

So I have a slight problem in that a have a stammer. I can communicate by mic, at least short things, but struggle if I have to talk something super complex in which case typing (assuming it's safe) is better for me.

Also joining the discord group and seeing "Welcome to GTFO" was a bit of a head turner.

[visual lily]

bro sleepers have no toes 💀 can i refund the game

i want my gtfo toes

[hollow quarry]

No

[rose nova]

[visual lily]

calle pls

[serene jewel]

Need a prisoner cosmetic with the dogs out

[sinful gyro]

like i said, i dont have a problem with them. I just prefer to play with people who do talk

everyone plays this game differently

[burnt flume]

mutes are fine

I do think I prefer playing with mic players more because there's more personality in a voice (though this isn't to say mute players have no personality, quite the contrary)

I think the main problem is probably that few players, mic or mute, communicate useful information

[sinful gyro]

true

then again i mainly play this game with a group of irls, so we communicate very well

usually when i play with randoms, the comms are awful

[coarse grail]

@mint light Just played through R4B2PE now and tbh I had a lot more fun with it than I did the first time around. I think before we were just suffering from skill issue and took 3 times as long as we needed to

[mint light]

its still a fun level. I just said it was nerfed

[coarse grail]

Just mentioning it cos I always shit on that level before as being frustrating but that was a player issue

[burnt flume]

r4b2 fun, more so in original

[mint light]

you overcame your own skill issue. I'm proud of you

[fierce viper]

has anybody else had lag issues with R1C1? might have been my internet but the first 2 attempts my group did some of us were having the reactor timer and enemies freeze but zip around later cause it caught up. was wondering if thats maybe something with that mission specifically and not my internet

[rose nova]

no i do think it is a desync issue :[

i mean ur

not-the-game issue i mean

[winged narwhal]

the same thing can happen on any other level

[normal lake]

generally connectivity in this game is, i cant believe im saying this, pretty fuckin decent. if you are very far away from your host then it can be a ping issue or you or the host has unstable internet causing very large spikes in ping. c1 is the first map with a lot of enemies so it is probably more noticable there

[fierce viper]

is there a way to mitigate this desync or does it just sort of...happen?

[wispy bluff]

Just sort of happens.

[rose nova]

happens specially if u play with people like round the globe

so

my advice would be
...
steal better internet :D

[fierce viper]

me with my 1mb/s download speed

[normal lake]

id recommend opening up a ping tester to test and see if your ping has massive spikes

when i was on internet i had spikes of 2000ms ping every few minutes

and that was to a server nearby

[dense crow]

yuh

[vestal ore]

R4b2 I would say I had fun the team I played with were fun guys the only thing is it just becomes obnoxiously long I got tired of hammering the error alarm waves for like the entire hour

[normal lake]

is it a giant dense level?

if not sounds like a knife level to me

[vestal ore]

It’s more so the fact that the overload objective is just long go find 6 things basically within spread out within 3 rooms each one with alarm so that part alone took like what 20 minutes or so? We did have to back track tho I think but otherwise yeah the secondary is fine but overload is hella long

It’s not like main was super short either

But just the overload part

[normal lake]

yeah

[mystic moss]

isn't overload just 2 alarms and you're out?

[normal lake]

i aint played it so i cant say yet

[sharp siren]

3 if you get mom

[normal lake]

but it sounds like knife should help speed things up

[mystic moss]

just do the class vi and class iv/blood door and you have enough glps/osips whatever

[vestal ore]

Could be but for some reason I remember 3 and one room I believe always has mom

[normal lake]

fuuck bro its a glps map

god i hate those maps

[pine root]

mom room is more fun

[vestal ore]

The rooms we got were this

[pine root]

so cool they put 3 osips in there

[vestal ore]

We had 4 rooms one had 3 osids the rest had 2

So even if u go mom room you still need 6

[normal lake]

searching through boxes for a ton of objectives is fun the first time but after that its so damn repetitive

esspecially with bots

[vestal ore]

Like I said I just tired of baby sitting the error alarm waves after about 30 minutes into the game

[normal lake]

how where the waves, where they small waves of 2 or 3 strikers or like 10-15

[vestal ore]

Ohhh this is a fun one

So right after a alarm they decided to slow down and stack up

So we ended up getting 10-15 basically all at once it was almost like a full wave spawned

[normal lake]

bit to much to melee huh

[vestal ore]

But usually it’s 3

[normal lake]

ill probably run knife in my kit for the map then

[vestal ore]

Either striker or shooter

[normal lake]

3 small boys with knife even if awake is a joke

[vestal ore]

Knife can be good if you hit perfect headshots non stop but stagger might be more helpful

I was thinking bat

[normal lake]

i miss one in 15-20 swings with knife and most of the time its when they do some weird jank movement

usually crawling shooters

[vestal ore]

Well if ur host I guess u don’t gotta worry about desync like I did

I would smack em stagger em and their attack animation would still go out

[normal lake]

person who host lives like 5 minute drive from me

so delay isnt a big issue

[vestal ore]

R4b3 felt a lot more fun

Not as long but definitely had us really utilizing a lot of our resources

[normal lake]

usually safer bet to go for one shots and try and kite around boxes and shit to avoid damage

stagger is kinda goofy sometimes

[vestal ore]

Yeah I can but I worry because sometimes they’d literally run past me to go after my teammates clearing the room so i had to stay in specific areas if I could camp them I would

[normal lake]

guess no forward spawning issues this time

on a2 we literally could not clear rooms quietly because enemies where just spawning in rooms full of sleepers

[vestal ore]

Well I’m r4b3 one area we had strikers spawn in the same room as us so that was fun

Terminal uplink guess room was too small?

[normal lake]

spawn mechanics with errors are kinda weird and i dont really understand them

[vestal ore]

Oh it wasn’t even error

It was just terminal wave

[normal lake]

i think the spawns work around the host but dont quote me on that

nice

[vestal ore]

Yeah they literally spawned behind us and I’m like how th did they get through the doors are still closed

[normal lake]

well i would be playing more but damn english teacher wants me and my friend to suffer with these nonsense weekly 5 page essays

[vestal ore]

Pog

[normal lake]

could have been something to do with the invisible room barriers

Usually enemies spawn 2 rooms away and i think some barriers split what appears as one room into 2

[vestal ore]

Yeah it’s funny the enemies were spawning 2 rooms away but for some odd reason

It kept having exactly 3-4 spawn in the terminal room with us

[normal lake]

Once again not entirely sure spawn mechanics are wacky for this game

[vestal ore]

I just boil it down to R4b3 big

Bug

[normal lake]

Most likely awnser

[rose nova]

oh hey wardens not here

[trim sail]

is there a way to kick player in your lobby ?

[mystic moss]

no!

[trim sail]

there's an afk player in our lobby

[rose nova]

its better to just change lobbies and/or vc

well 'better'

its the only option really

[analog flicker]

ask them to join vc/leave

otherwise re-make lobby and don't post lobby id publicly

[sharp owl]

dear warden please stop giving me backpacks i have twice as many backpacks as any other cosmetic

[sharp owl]

remake the lobby is your only option

[analog flicker]

Palette color rich people envy you

[rose nova]

yeh