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Hi, how do I get access to the lf Yama group?
!yama
CCs
- Lft Yama (split)
- **Yama FFA **(ffa)
You may also recruit teammates in worlds 325 (UK), 339 (US West), 343 (EU), 394 (US East)
I typed that in the bot commands area but it didn’t give me access to a Yama group
wdr has no affiliation with them btw
why would you type a cc name into bot commands?
Im not very familiar with discord, just trying to follow the instructions
We dont do yama, we do raids
wdr is a raid only discord
The cc's listed do yama
if you want to do yama. find elsewhere like the cc's the bot posted
Ok got it, those cc’s are other discord channels, thank you!
no
holy fuck
cc = clan chat aka in the game
its really a fc now with the whole clan rework tho
Ok I see, makes sense. thanks for your help!
What are the bare minimum requirements and the recommended stats for CoX? I’m wanting to learn it with my friend and we’re both unfamiliar with it. Thanks in advance 🙂
!coxmin
[Click here for details](#cox-gear-setups message)
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Thank you!
lf clan
obliv runs bloxfruit
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I don't know what a bloxfruit is
whats the best gartic phone clan
blubatro got carried to his dough king completion thats why the cake castle door is locked for him in cake land
cant get red key unless u do 10% or more damage
update: just hit 200kc zulrah, should be learner raid ready this week !
I remember doing 100 zulrah a day for a week to make 80m for rigour to start raiding
luckily i got dead eye so better than nothing lol
plus, my first unique was the serp helm so helps significantly towards the bp and staff
how do i change my nickname to match my osrs name?
!gear
Gearing for Raids
Gear requirements and suggested gear
ToA: #toa-gear-setups
CoX: #cox-gear-setups
ToB: #tob-gear-setups
Where to ask for advice
ToA: #toa-gear-advice
CoX: #cox-gear-advice
ToB: #tob-gear-advice
are there signups for a Cox learners raid?
See pic above. Host your own raid and glgl
you'll also have to get cox learner role go to #2️⃣role-commands and set your cox kc
tyty ill take a look
can i get a 5th ping for the weekly mass please
:3
heyyy
my buddy is saying he can't see the tob guides, is there anything he needs to do?
tell them to get a ToB role in #2️⃣role-commands and start from there
anywhere to find gwd partner or group? or do you guys have another discord for that?
some guides might require a higher kc role
this is we do raids, so no. OScord or casual clans are your best bet for things like that, GWD is realistically meant to be soloed these days unless you are alting/paying for alts
use oscord
yes
I googled it and it came up with nigerian street music 
thanks 😄

he jsut added me, what did he say to you?
How do i find a CoX learner? I need someone to teach me the ropes
theres #room-resources and #olm-resources for the basics, idk how active the one(?) cox mentor is
is anyone running CoX or able to help teach me?
I’m not able to view the different channels for learners
!join
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:four: Click #🚩welcome-read-me message for more detailed information
follow those instruction
Thank you
If you are here to get help with A Night at the Theatre:
:one: Click #1️⃣post-your-rsn-here and type your RSN
:two: Click #2️⃣role-commands and type !tob 0.
:three: Click #lfr-tob-learner and post "Looking for some people to do Story Mode with".
For info on the rooms, you can visit #tob-learner-guide but note that TOB entry mode is immensly less punishing and does not require all the gear in the setups.
Note: Unlike regular ToB, doing Story Mode solo is very soloable. You get infinite attempts and food. Don't try to duo it - it scales poorly and is quite hard. It is very easy to complete yourself if you follow a YouTube guide.
what does 3+4 mean
3 raiders doing a raid that is scaled as if 7 players are doing the raid
The first number indicates how many players are doing the raid, the second number which scale it is (add up the numbers)
anyone down for chambers
im down for chambers:)
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= Commands =
[!help <command> for details]
!8ball :: 8ball
!banlist :: looks up rsns on the wdr banlist
!dumbquote ::
!help :: Show commands for your permission level.
!modmail :: send message to mods
!rejoin :: Rejoins the voice of the RL in case of DC
!remove-verzik :: Removes your own Verzik role
!workshops :: Gets the workshop time
!worry :: worry
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= Commands =
[!help <command> for details]
!8ball :: 8ball
!banlist :: looks up rsns on the wdr banlist
!dumbquote ::
!help :: Show commands for your permission level.
!modmail :: send message to mods
!rejoin :: Rejoins the voice of the RL in case of DC
!remove-verzik :: Removes your own Verzik role
!workshops :: Gets the workshop time
!worry :: worry
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!dumbquote
You can only use this command in: #bot-commands #staff-commands #staff-lounge #memes
!workshops
The next Cox workshop is <t:1757786401:R> (<t:1757786401:F>)
The next Tob workshop is <t:1757268001:R> (<t:1757268001:F>)
Yeah, go ahead
What is wrong did I do something wrong?
I blocked black demons fire giants and ice warriors and now all my tasks are locked
And i have a 100% greater demon slayer list ...
This has to be a bug right? This shows up on mobile and on pc
Can’t help you with that man. Am 82 slayer for a reason 💀
Someone else might be able to help you with this question
Do you only get greater demon tasks
maybe you don't meet requirements for any other task
kinda hard to imagine off the top of my head, but like, for example, you can't get any dragon task without DS1 started iirc
synapse cheat code
well, it's Krystilia, so can't really abuse that way unfortunately 
slayer has been bugged for about 2 weeks now
legitimately you'll want to use the report button on the bottom in-game; they actually read it
Is jagex banning doom bots? Why are the treads almost 300 again
supply and demand
supposedly half of top 100 doomers on hiscores got killed for being bots a few days ago
!sra
You can only use this command in: #tob-tactics #tob-gear-advice #tob-mentoring-chat
message_for_flyingirish.mp3
Is there a cc to sell valuables to avoid taxes
Old man benis cc
How come theres no Toa channels in this discord?
In the bot chat?
anyone running?
!join
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is there a channel to find yama duos in wdr?
CCs
- Lft Yama (split)
- **Yama FFA **(ffa)
You may also recruit teammates in worlds 325 (UK), 339 (US West), 343 (EU), 394 (US East)
are you dumb?
what are you trying to achieve
and why would u think pinging everyone in a 100k member server would work
both banned
probs the same guy
I dont need help with anything but if you could please send me photos of your cats it would be greatly appreciated i can also send photos of my cats we both benefit from this
Head over to #2️⃣role-commands and type !social to view the #food-and-pets (food n pets) channel
!join
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point 3 says no acces for me but i believe i did all of the things mentioned under 1 and 2
ah you cant have diary and cox learner at the same time it seems
Yeah, they conflict with each other
I'm sorry if this has been answered elsewhere. How do I get a role for TOB?
!rolecommands
Re-read https://discord.com/channels/408082929940430858/521409656489377813. All you have to do is set or update your raids KC. For example if you were 0 cox KC you'd type !cox 0 in https://discord.com/channels/408082929940430858/521409656489377813.
https://media.wedoraids.com/qYVtaifLyld0.png
Thank you! I am getting old and need to start wearing glasses.
post the message coward
Hey . I am looking for the mentor feedback channel . Does anyone have a link
I want to share my story
from: 638507408380919808 in: help-chat we can remove you from here too 
if all you do is shitpost in here as well
🤐
can i post or lft for hmt here?
need more kc
what the min?
100kc (combined reg and hmt to reach that is fine)
tyvm
if you have 100kc, you ust gotta update your role
oh i hade that
!rolecommands
Re-read https://discord.com/channels/408082929940430858/521409656489377813. All you have to do is set or update your raids KC. For example if you were 0 cox KC you'd type !cox 0 in https://discord.com/channels/408082929940430858/521409656489377813.
https://media.wedoraids.com/qYVtaifLyld0.png
oh i see tyvm
#tob-hm-guide #lfr-tob-hard-mode #lfr-tob-hm-exp (read pins of the LFR channels)
all these visible once you have 100kc role
now i see it tyvm
name change > 'riggedcore'. thanks!
oh mb
!raiding
WE DO NOT RAID DISCORD SERVERS/ZOOMS/TEAMS/ROBLOX ETC.
PLEASE LEAVE.
If you are curious, and for some reason didn't read the server information, raids are a part of an online game that we play.
We don't do that kind of stuff here brother
Herrroooo. Looking for some homies to carry my ass through a few tobbers? Pretty decent understanding of everything but still need some work on verzik.
!join
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hi all where do i find a team for entry mode for night at theatre quest? 😄
!tobquest
If you are here to get help with A Night at the Theatre:
:one: Click #1️⃣post-your-rsn-here and type your RSN
:two: Click #2️⃣role-commands and type !tob 0.
:three: Click #lfr-tob-learner and post "Looking for some people to do Story Mode with".
For info on the rooms, you can visit #tob-learner-guide but note that TOB entry mode is immensly less punishing and does not require all the gear in the setups.
Note: Unlike regular ToB, doing Story Mode solo is very soloable. You get infinite attempts and food. Don't try to duo it - it scales poorly and is quite hard. It is very easy to complete yourself if you follow a YouTube guide.
i tried to solo after watching a few videos but ran out of food on last fat boss 🙁
ty!
Is #tob-gear-advice or #tob-tactics the right place to ask about story mode version of TOB ?
You should mention you are doing story mode so they don't think you mean normal
Nerd
i don't have the stats or gear mentioned in #tob-gear-setups but that seems to be normal version
Yes
Yeah, entry is much laxer on levels and gear
i was wondering which stats/gear i should aim to have for the story mode
~60-70 stats, dscim, msb, and warped sceptre is more than enough
okay that seems more reasonable , ty
Not to self promote *but...*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MPHZy4sjmM&t=2s
Or any other video guide.
infinite wipes; do verzik p1 and p2 a few times without eating so you can use your actual food there.
An idiots guide to beating TOB Entry Mode in old school runescape. Timestamps below
Gear: 0:26
Maiden: 1:10
Bloat: 2:56
Nylocas room: 6:20
Nylocas boss: 12:55
Soteseg: 14:35
Xarpus: 18:15
P1 verzik: 23:00
P2 verzik: 25:15
P3 verzik: 29:35
i will check it out thanks
how do i report someone?
!r
Please take a look at #🔨how-to-report
Please take a look at #🔨how-to-report
having issues with role command, ewhats going on
dm @ashen saffron
!join
i believe it is due to the issues discord is having
!getgood
related to discord outage give it a bit
does anyone have the !diary bot response
Figured as much, discord didnt have a post about it out yet, i apologize
they do
@alpine kayak you have diary role, but it wont do anything rn while the bot is down. see #lfr-diary and post the
I am looking to leech a kc for the diary step. Please @ me if I can tag along on your raid and scale it up.
msg to see if anyone alive
who’s alive rn
can u check if #1️⃣post-your-rsn-here is up
just msg and see if the bot changes ur name + deletes
👋
idr if we outrank the bot
thoughts
ok ty
nws
Nice change
thanks my mod app went well
i actually saw bfrie yesterday on die all blue at ge
crazy
@raw cape @drowsy tree @tender bison @deep ivy @desert lion @alpine kayak @azure wing @spring parcel @winged swift @patent lance
post again in #1️⃣post-your-rsn-here the bots are back up
dm @ashen saffron for unban
#2️⃣role-commands for roles
stop putting kc after everything it’s just
!cox 30
thank you is there a reason i lost access to channels?
did you leave and rejoin the server in the last two hours?
i left because i lost access to server
ahh heard that thanks
I thought I got banned earlier when the server crashed. If i do get punished or banned in the future is there a way to communicate an appeal?
yeah, mods will make a ud channel and give you the punish role which blocks access to all channels but your UD channel. where you can communicate
there will always be a mod vote prior to straight up banning someone from the cord so you have time to reach out
but if somehow you dont, a mod will most likely reach out when thats done to let you know what happened and you can communicate then
but perhaps acting in a fashion where you arent worried about getting banned would be wiser. not like i do that but w/e
ty
Have you considered: crippling anxiety
unlucky
ohh
!join
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it says click 3 no access
im just gonna try later ty
Why not just do it now? Lmfao its really not that hard to figure out
hay can one of the mod give me my retired mentor tag pls
cuz im raiding

how come there is no tob channel?
hi friends... CoX for Diary here...no raiding experience... I was told to come here and request a carry. seems crazy lol but here I am 😄
!diary
If you are here to get help with the diary leech for Chambers of Xeric
:one: Click #1️⃣post-your-rsn-here and type your RSN.
:two: Click #2️⃣role-commands and type !diary
:three: Click #lfr-diary and post "I am looking to leech a kc for the diary step. Please @ me if I can tag along on your raid and scale it up.".
The WDR bot will also dm you with instructions on how to proceed after getting the diary role. Due to the raid having the option to scale manually, it may take a while for someone to pick you up.
Do not pay for a diary carry!
If people ask you to pay, report them immediately (#🔨how-to-report).
a
b
how do i change my account name on here as i dont play on my old one?
How can I request help raiding a server?
@agile bane @solar juniper @open pivot @tame mortar
send me $100
Dm jorts for 100 dollaridoos
!raiding
WE DO NOT RAID DISCORD SERVERS/ZOOMS/TEAMS/ROBLOX ETC.
PLEASE LEAVE.
If you are curious, and for some reason didn't read the server information, raids are a part of an online game that we play.
How do i report a toxic raider that griefed and left?
!r
Please take a look at #🔨how-to-report
morning lads, any Cox happening? love to join (complete nub here)
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You need to properly join the server with roles to use the lfr channels
i wanna ask what the rules in lfr tob advanced ... do i need to be able to pog tank and staking or just have good gear
Check the pinned messages in #lfr-tob-advanced
!sight
Is there a section for lvl 3 skillets to hop in a raid? Or do we just try our luck in ffa chat?
no and you dont
we dont do carries here beyond 1 kc
Kk thanks 🫡
WDR requires people contribute to all boss fights for a basis of finding raids here. Very difficult for a skiller to do
Is 2x bat -> ranger -> mager solve the same as the bat -> ranger -> mager shown in infern-guide channel
no
What is it instead?
!join
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i found this by searching double bat #inferno message
i think you can be out of range of the mage if you stand all the way back
Not sure if I'm blind but I don't see any inferno role?
I can not
Brilliant, thank you
bear in mind that message i linked the guy is south pillar for some reason
so go al the way north not south
I want class for raid
is there a calculator or somewhere to see bloodied blows yama dmg on void flares?
How to get zoom classes for raid
!raiding
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PLEASE LEAVE.
If you are curious, and for some reason didn't read the server information, raids are a part of an online game that we play.
!raiding
WE DO NOT RAID DISCORD SERVERS/ZOOMS/TEAMS/ROBLOX ETC.
PLEASE LEAVE.
If you are curious, and for some reason didn't read the server information, raids are a part of an online game that we play.
FUCK
We don't do that kind of stuff here brother
I would imagine you can use the same forumla as Dharok set has (1% increase per 1hp missing, rounded down).
Example: at 19 hp (assuming 99hp because why would you do this at not 99hp), 80% increase to 30 would be 54.
washed
ye but im not good at math
i wanted to plug and chug or just a sheet with max hits at various magic dmg would be nice
I wonder if someone made a sheet that has the calc done (or if a dps calc already added it), because all you would need is the base max hit and current hp
ik it was 15 hp max gear (pre delve) before but thats only reference point i have
im 6% worse magic dmg then max pre delve
So you lose 1 max hit or 2? Could calc it if i knew your base max hit and the hit needed
!intro
For a quick and concise video guide on setting up We Do Raids, watch this video.
6% is probably 2 then
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:two: Click #2️⃣role-commands message and type the commands that are relevant to you
:three: Click #3️⃣guide-to-wdr message and it will explain how to find raids
:four: Click #🚩welcome-read-me message for more detailed information
Follow those instructions
ye i dont know tbh was just hoping there was a calc setup for it already
guys i have a gmeet would you like to raid
Dm "Myjorts" the details
!raiding
WE DO NOT RAID DISCORD SERVERS/ZOOMS/TEAMS/ROBLOX ETC.
PLEASE LEAVE.
If you are curious, and for some reason didn't read the server information, raids are a part of an online game that we play.
We don't do that kind of stuff here brother
i just found gearscape dps calc it has it for yama contracts
but i dont really get how to use this website
I would assume you can plug in your gear and set your current hp to get what your max hit is
Remember mark of darkness and prayer
what is the plugin that tells you the defense on ohm mele hand?
if you're talking about teammates
tthink this is the one for solos too
ty
its wierd cuz it doesint change my max hit but it changes my dps if i lower my hp
Hmm
Maybe it accounts for the dps increase but doesn't show the adjusted max hit
What does it say your max hit is?
64 at 1 hp but ik thats cap
Does it change at 15hp?
sadly no but i think im doing something wrong
I can't check the calc today, so i can't troubleshoot for you 

no worries apperciate the help
wait ehh anyone know if ur max hit is just =2x your avg hit?
ye one problem i just realized is my accuracy effects my avg hit ig i can change monster to voidflare
okay i think i got it now
if i get ward/augury i can camp 14 hp
other wise i need to camp 10hp
yes
atlatl has no use in ToA unless you're an iron early rushing the content for whatever reasons
i am an iron and i have like 20 days the thing is i dont have darts
adamnt is super cringe to get early game
bp is still good for stuff like Kephri swarms even if you only fit in steel darts
yeah Kephri swarms don't care what you hit them with you just need to hit them, and bp is super good for that
so I'd bring bp for that, and then you could dps calc against atlatl
for the rest
!dps
DPS Spreadsheet
Click here for the spreadsheet. (Click File and then Make a copy. )
BP also amazing for the baba boulder (if you use a bowfa on it you are annoying).
you won't need many darts
you dont even have to be the official swarmer; so you'll maybe use like 5 darts a raid
go grind ecu keys in the wildy at aviansies and youll be set for a few hundred raids, basicall
just need 70 herb for bowfa but for now only use is the swarm which i dont do becuase i cba
thanks for the tips doe
will keep in mind once i get bowfa
as in you just let it heal to full?
not swarming Kephri is criminal
if he's soloing yolo. If jhe's doing teams he's expected to have a bp
is really the be all end all
Bp goes brrrrrrrr
Trying to imput kc and it kerps saying kc must be a number
!rolecommands
Re-read https://discord.com/channels/408082929940430858/521409656489377813. All you have to do is set or update your raids KC. For example if you were 0 cox KC you'd type !cox 0 in https://discord.com/channels/408082929940430858/521409656489377813.
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Use one at a time
do not put space after "!"
There you go! 
It worked tuvm
How do treads max work for a pvp death not protected?
I tried to lock them and it says you can’t. Would the killer get 4 pairs of boots?
I read somewhere it says they just break and I believe that’s a joke. Which is why I tried to lock them
why wouldnt they break
the items you can lock are all full untradeables
as in you cannot buy them or their components off the ge
or you cannot break them to get the tradeable part back
ie. avernic hilt
(l) is a suffix applied to untradeable equipment that has been locked using Trouver parchment and coins via Perdu. Items with this suffix are prevented from becoming (broken) upon death beyond level 20 within the Wilderness. The one exception is the rune pouch, which when locked, will protect the item upon death.
ancient sceptre too I guess
i'd assume it is dropped in 4 parts to the killer
no reason for any one of them to get deleted
I would agree with you most
like how when a bp is lost, all of the scales and ammo fall out on the ground + empty bp for the killer to pick up
If I can’t lock them then what’s the most of taking them to the wildy. That means they would delete
why would you take them to wildy tho?
tbh if you bring this kind of risk you better have a damn good reason
Why? I just took them but they were protected. I’m not to worried about the wildy. I just what to know how to handle them
Plus I do BH
surely you have better items to bring
And would just like to know
I know bh is a lil diff meaning the break mechanic could still work.
But even then you would need like a sra for boots to not be +1
yea
it just seems like such a small increase over something like d boot camp for that kind of change in risk
like now you'd be risking your vw or w/e
Ok I just look at the death thing and it says avernic treads max lost to the killer. Lol do you get max? I have another account to kill myself but I’m not trying to delete my own boots 😂
no sorry 
I mean I’ve seen streamers pk with them but never the outcome. Tyty
How to join meeting
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PLEASE LEAVE.
If you are curious, and for some reason didn't read the server information, raids are a part of an online game that we play.
anyone know how to get boosts information plugin to be fully vertical? dont like the stacking horizontally. maybe there is a different plugin
You mean this bar?
Hold alt, click the corner and drag the bar to horizontal/vertical
!tobquest
If you are here to get help with A Night at the Theatre:
:one: Click #1️⃣post-your-rsn-here and type your RSN
:two: Click #2️⃣role-commands and type !tob 0.
:three: Click #lfr-tob-learner and post "Looking for some people to do Story Mode with".
For info on the rooms, you can visit #tob-learner-guide but note that TOB entry mode is immensly less punishing and does not require all the gear in the setups.
Note: Unlike regular ToB, doing Story Mode solo is very soloable. You get infinite attempts and food. Don't try to duo it - it scales poorly and is quite hard. It is very easy to complete yourself if you follow a YouTube guide.
Imagine seeing you here
wow never knew u were a mod here 😮
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if you want to get setup propperly
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any good pvm active clans
wiseoldbenis
sanity, ascent, menace, oblivion, valiance, vintage are the big 'pvm' clans
,benis
how good is "good" to you
!benis
are you looking for max eff raiding teammates
try 'wiseoldbenis' chat channel
@boreal flax
u got one?
i was on infernal and obv
but i became unactive
and went iron for the longest time
deironed from gim
and maining now
if you were formerly in Oblivion, they're still around. obviously their reqs will have updated with the times
otherwise the other names mentioned are comparable
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does anyone know of a plugin or a way to configure a 15 tile square radius that follows your character so you can see what is "in sight" or when you will be "in sight"?
Line of sight plugin?
kind the idea yea except it shows what my actual char can "see"
not what i can see as the player
if that makes sense
thats what line of sight plugin does
Was about to say, but maybe I don't understand what you mean
when doing mage duos at yama (p3), do people use the same tiles they would when soloing? as I understand, the damage is individual but would both partners sharing the same tiles mess with knowing where to step when the fireballs are landing?
You don't see your partners hourglass in p3. Only your own
So it doesn't hurt to stack if you want
oh wow, thanks
I usually go a few tiles behind the other person bc it freaks people out sometimes
Run through is the same
thanks so much, thats great news
Np. I was there myself when it dropped wondering the same at first
i am catching crystal imps in Priff. Even though the map loads 90 tiles out or whatever, i can only see Imps or other NPCs within a 15 tile radius around me. As I move around priff i would like to know when i have covered enough ground to rule out an area for an Imp, i.e. 15 tiles around me. Line of sight shows what my character literally sees, as if it was an npc's aggression "line of sight", and has a limit of 10 tiles.
im looking for a fixed, 15 tile box around my true tile that moves with it constantly
That makes sense! I'm not familiair with such a thing, but maybe someone else 🤞
Radius marker
oh hi haha
Looks like someone else had the exact same question
Does that move with the player?
It moves to whatever npc you set it as
Im sure theres an option to set it as the player
Is this helpful?
Plugin called Grid
Can set the draw distance at different distances
Moves with the player
!tobquest
If you are here to get help with A Night at the Theatre:
:one: Click #1️⃣post-your-rsn-here and type your RSN
:two: Click #2️⃣role-commands and type !tob 0.
:three: Click #lfr-tob-learner and post "Looking for some people to do Story Mode with".
For info on the rooms, you can visit #tob-learner-guide but note that TOB entry mode is immensly less punishing and does not require all the gear in the setups.
Note: Unlike regular ToB, doing Story Mode solo is very soloable. You get infinite attempts and food. Don't try to duo it - it scales poorly and is quite hard. It is very easy to complete yourself if you follow a YouTube guide.
!tobquest
If you are here to get help with A Night at the Theatre:
:one: Click #1️⃣post-your-rsn-here and type your RSN
:two: Click #2️⃣role-commands and type !tob 0.
:three: Click #lfr-tob-learner and post "Looking for some people to do Story Mode with".
For info on the rooms, you can visit #tob-learner-guide but note that TOB entry mode is immensly less punishing and does not require all the gear in the setups.
Note: Unlike regular ToB, doing Story Mode solo is very soloable. You get infinite attempts and food. Don't try to duo it - it scales poorly and is quite hard. It is very easy to complete yourself if you follow a YouTube guide.
I checked the obvious channels here as well as the faq, but is there guidance on what is reportable unrelated to raids (e.g. overtly racist profiles or what I think would be clearly racist or bigoted in some way)?
maybe I should send a modmail with the question but modmail looks more like for urgent stuff idk
but that's explicitly written in the community rules, and what I'm thinking of isnt
unless I overlooked it?
:cox: Abide by the JAGEX and Discord Terms of Service
if you think it goes against general discord rules you can try
We don't tolerate the 'isms'. Homophobic/racism/etc. If you can't reasonably say it in game or a official jagex stream, you cannot reasonably say it in here.
We also don't tolerate any service advertisement of any type. Including profiles.
Stuff like the hard r in pronouns is reportable, too, since people can edit their per server profile.
The only thing we won't really enforce is rsns unless it was something EXCEPTIONALLY exteme like doxxing
Afaik we've never told someone to swap their RSN.
thanks
you're a mod again?
they always come back..
free blue owl
What the best mega rare to rebuild with
what content do you do
depends on the content, but usually shadow --> scy --> tbow
if you're a fire cape and ava's users, a tbow first is a great move
I have a fire cape and Ava's yeah
I like to do every raid
I do clue scrolls
I like to kill duke
I heard cox isn't worth doing unless you do cms
I like killing zulrah
cox is best worth doing as fast solos, 3+12s, or cms yeah
I like doing moons
if cox or toa: shadow
if tob: scythe
if you wanna send inferno and colosseum asap: tbow
people usually do shadow first merely because it's cheapest
if you want to do "everything" start with shadow
Yeah I want to do collosseum tbh I've never done it
that said... eye of ayak and new gloves are SUPER good now
Is eye of kayak better than shadow?
no, just a good second option
Do I need corruption gauntlets with shadow?
no
Ik the effect doesn't work but it has 2% more dmg then tormented
well yeah it's still a good upgrade
Can anyone like link me to a whole gear progression guide as a whole
I'm really clueless tbh
I don't want to like camp@one thing though
I like raids but it's hard to always find people
not saying you have to be committed to one thing
just saying that gear progression will always differ based on priorities
it isn't possible to be equally committed to everything at once
generally though all gear prog paths involve mega rebuilding
so you'll make enough bank value to, for example, shadow rebuild, do that
then keep going till you can, say, scythe rebuild (or shadow+scythe), do that
then go for all megas rebuild
etc
if you are uncertain of what you want to do, it's hard to go very wrong with a shadow rebuild
it's substantially cheaper than the other two and sees a very large range of use across the game
usually scythe, but - again - depends on content you want to do
as previously mentioned, if you want to get your cape upgrades, a tbow is a great choice. you can exchange it afterwards
Is there any kind of skiller acting as a scale support in here? Or somewhere else that that exists? Lol
Not really in here, no. people actively doing the raids can alt it
That is a shame for my poor snowflake acc
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Is saturated heart worth getting?
For raids
I don't see it in any of the cox gear setups
it's nice for ToB freezers if you have like basically everything else
its nice for ToB and prepotting toa/cox.
That said, it's an expensive forgottenbrew and should be one of the last things you buy for your acc
is there a plug in that prioritizes a target? like if in toa if akkha and akkha shadow are on top, and i click, it prioritizes akkha shadow, or in doom, if doom and grub are on top, it prioritizes grub
yes
which?
tyty,i dont understand how this works tho, how would the one for akkha be too?
whatever is on there is prioritized.
If 2 things are prioritized (i.e. doom and larva) whatever is on the bottom is focused first.
The * just covers everything with that word, I.E. all the larvas
!diary
If you are here to get help with the diary leech for Chambers of Xeric
:one: Click #1️⃣post-your-rsn-here and type your RSN.
:two: Click #2️⃣role-commands and type !diary
:three: Click #lfr-diary and post "I am looking to leech a kc for the diary step. Please @ me if I can tag along on your raid and scale it up.".
The WDR bot will also dm you with instructions on how to proceed after getting the diary role. Due to the raid having the option to scale manually, it may take a while for someone to pick you up.
Do not pay for a diary carry!
If people ask you to pay, report them immediately (#🔨how-to-report).
more athttps://runelite.net/plugin-hub/show/hotkeyable-menu-swaps
music bot working?
is there a toa section for wdr?
Yes
Set your kc in #2️⃣role-commands by typing !toa 0
Or whatever your kc is
It has not existed for like 3 years
quiver is easier
tho also depends on what gear you currently have
I found quiver mechanically harder, but inferno mentally more of a grind
bowfa + cry, max virtus mage excluding treads, melee is kinda mid level tassy torso tent
Ym
so quiver it is
Which one did you find harder?
bandos tassets and tent whip
the big T(hree)
yea but icba they degrade
yea i was thinking sell the shadow and get oathplate
Thatd be dumb
Weapons > anything else
Camp mage bottoms for melee and save the 20m
Shit with 20m you can buy full justi and get both cape and quiver
why is justi 20 mil </3
Stop buying fashion gear
broke*
Synonyms
pensive :(
Ur not broke if you have 15m tied up in fashion legs
Mains should never own bandos ever
Bring a teleport inside Colo to teleport out when you know you're about to plank. Saves a lot of gp
Maybe for the bandos trip until you get to ge
i see
im dry on a bandos item so i think that wont happen either </3
i mean ayak is not that bad
ill just sell shadow
Thankfully book of the dead is one

But with some luck you can get yourself some uniques in Colo whilst grinding the cape
ok pictire this
Pictire
wave 11 complete, first quiver in sight
We shooting rope and taking pictires
game shows next wave: sol pet
and then dead
gl clearing on that pressure
faerfup
@slow nacelle getting flashbacks
😨

On a serious note, once you get that far, consider using the L-method on Sol. It might be a bit cheesy, but it helped me get my quiver a lot sooner.
ShaunyMateOSRS has a great guide on it
:O
no fkn way
i just coxed a few days ago with him
no wayyyy
lol what is the chance
very low id guess
Atleast 4
4 what
4 Deez nuts
Does anyone have that infographic handy that displays like 90 mage dps in full BiS vs 99 mage in mid gear?
Need to show midgame friend that he should stop spending what little money he has on upgrades when he's not even base 80s lmao.
I had this during the reinforcements ca (with bees 3, 1 extra fremmi ans solar 3). Of course i died
@tepid kayak
Whoever made that needs to update to account for new changes to the game because it's not 2025 so it's not relevant anymore
Its not 2025?
wow time flies, 2025 feels like this morning
when jagex says "any reclaim tokens you bought before will be refunded " for pets, does that mean the ones i bought and used to reclaim pets, if so how do i get my pet money back
The post mentions down the line that the refunds are manual and will happen over the coming weeks
No, just ones you'd bought and not used
It's not information that originated in the current year (which was the year 2025 at the time of the message's creation), so the information is therefore outdated and is inapplicable in any situation from current year onwards.
Hope this helps.
the pet reclaim refund is added to my cash stack or how does it work?
If you paid to get reclaim tokens, they will be refunded manually over the following weeks
They need to be unused tokens, if you used any to reclaim they will not count
I mean, you got what you paid for
cant see the channel that the tob ffa pinned message is talking about?
do i have to set my tob kc to 0?
I feel like they should have just set pet reclaims 10k ea or amth
And make pet go to deaths office
Its lfr tob rules
Get a tob role in #2️⃣role-commands
ye i didnt have access to it, had to set my kc to 0 in the role commands chat
ty tho
anyone knows why everytime im using GPU and blindfold plugin my client crashes?
!join
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Check client logs to see what is crashing
Then maybe upgrade your 10 year old pc
Hiya, just joined and already made a bit of a mistake 😅 I selected the diary role because I am looking to get my first kc for the diary but I want to actually participate and learn as well not just leech. Am I able to get rid of the leech role please?
do that command again
you should keep the diary role until you have your diary kc, because apparently low CoX tier roles can't actually access #lfr-diary
once you have your diary kc I think you can get an actual CoX kc role in #2️⃣role-commands and it should override the diary role thereafter
Ah okay thank you
errr, maybe I misunderstood
if you want your diary kc to be a full participation kc, then yeah just skip directly to getting yourself a CoX role and post in #lfr-cox-learner
(you'll know you've done it correctly if you can see that channel - iirc diary role can't access it)
also who tf greenlit the disc ui change
How do i do so
Thanks i really appreciate the help
runelite has a dedicated log folder in the top level
i mean ancest is overly expensive for what it provides just like torva
and sang is just 1 more max hit i think
that is...literally the point
also the prims dont help mage dps but also inflate price
weirdly, we'd actually have a better example if we replaced prims with maxed treads now 
why not just put in a shadow
expecting wdr to update each and every gear picture with every gear update 
lol, not expecting it per se, just saying the example would be more striking with such an update
Soon!
No cap
shudnt it be more expensive then?
shadow is (or was at the time of the example creation) a massive dps jump so it would undercut the point a bit
hahaha
there are a few gear upgrades (like bp) that actually can be worth A LOT in equivalent stat jumps
i mean u have to be mentally wrong in the head to buy ancest with sang for olm hand
There's a large supply of justi and only one proper use (first infernal cape) and one niche use (using it instead of oath/torva at vard if you're a whip/nhally)
you know it used to be bis right
like before toa
sucking and being bis aren't mutually exclusive
yes, powered staves pre ToA all sucked
thats not the point of the picture bro 
magic weapons pre toa suck
just bc it's "not good" doesn't mean it had better alternatives at that point in time
see: pegs before avernic treads were released
that's kinda what I said?
tru
side note: kill the ranger boots already
the still kinda do
you do realize that for most pvm purposes, "powered staves" and "magic" are synonyms
but not that bad
we're still not too late
ranger boots and archers ring are also prime examples for how to not spend money
we know
who is your audience with all this stuff?
maybe a few months ago, but rangers are now req for bis
im just realising that most gear in this game is pointless
look at some point you run out of things to buy, and back then those were upgrades (no matter how small)
most gear in this game is poor value, "pointless" is maybe a strong word
Yeah this
- 0.05 is still a dps increase
like Torva is poor value, but absolutely not pointless
eventually it is an actual upgrade
ik but archers was .2 dps increase (idk abt tbow) at best
Except for weapons and mage gear with shadow almost no upgrades “do very much”
archers was also like what 4m
eventually you had enough money that you might as well
i wouldnt buy any thing for .2 dps increase
we all knew Armadyl was basically expensive dhides back then, but eventually what else you gonna buy for range
not even for free 😤
!party
this one and mage ring in particular did so little that suffering (i) and lb were serious contenders for ring slot
which was kind of sad
lb is still good at so many places
lb is only as good as your spec weapon
it's very strong but dps rings have kinda reclaimed their place
thank you for joining my ted talk
LB is a range ring most of the time lol
melee ring is +12
Mage ring has shadow
+2 range str is only sometimes meaningful and zcb go brrr
bellator good at dt2 bosses
venator ring has dumb rounding bullshit
your cat pfp has dumb rounding bullshit
range str is something we only get drip fed in general bc of bp (and to a lesser extent tbow)
unlike birb pfp
bring back the birb!
they had the very funny opportunity to make venator ring good by making treads(pe) +2
then they made it +3
bad rng
PROJECT REBALANCE: range str distribution changes!
Yeah it’s all rounding
Also with full oath and scythe Bellator + oath helm -> ultor + Torva is like 300m for 2% dps
and what about anything thats not tbow
that's not really going to help, range's issues run deeper than that
and that’s scythe getting 50 max hit
its too op ik
and crossbows all being ruby bolt carriers
flat armor and 3 range types make this trivially fixable now though
if they want to actually design a boss for specific range styles


anything but fixing the bot problem
I mean, part of "the bot problem" is just making content prime botting content (something something wave 1 colo splinters)
the whole wilderness
ye
It’s ok Colo wave one is 7.5k gp now
💔
remind me again how zombie pirates got into the game in that state
u were supposed to kill the goldfarmers urself
alas turns out most ppl r massive pussies
:3
he's talking about u @summer needle
also fever spiders randomly getting alchables for one week and had to be nerfed the next
!tobquest
If you are here to get help with A Night at the Theatre:
:one: Click #1️⃣post-your-rsn-here and type your RSN
:two: Click #2️⃣role-commands and type !tob 0.
:three: Click #lfr-tob-learner and post "Looking for some people to do Story Mode with".
For info on the rooms, you can visit #tob-learner-guide but note that TOB entry mode is immensly less punishing and does not require all the gear in the setups.
Note: Unlike regular ToB, doing Story Mode solo is very soloable. You get infinite attempts and food. Don't try to duo it - it scales poorly and is quite hard. It is very easy to complete yourself if you follow a YouTube guide.
its not viable
killing bug boss on repeat is more profitable than killing bots in wildy

Hey all, random request but please could someone help me get through a single Tombs of Amascut raid so that I can complete the Into the Tombs mini-quest? I will pay for the trouble 🙂
paying gp is not allowed here
Fever spiders being 3-4m/hour afk cannoning was funny
Oh sorry of course
also it's really not that difficult
0 invo, unlimited attempts and supplies given on death
I'm sure there are some quick YT guides
for each boss
0 invo ToA unironically easier than gm quests
Oh right okay, I'm a little burned out after getting the quest cape, the guide looked daunting for TOA so thought I'd ask for help, but if it's actually not too bad, might be okay
I mean there are a lot of little things but realistically for the sake of a one off 0 invo completion just click boss and try your best with the mechanics
you don't have to be even close to perfect with them
Okay cool, didn't realise you had unlimted attempts
and if you have even remotely usable gear (like bp trident and some stab melee thing) bosses fall over in 30 seconds at 0
like Baba is just pray melee click boss, click boulders with bp when you get those, nothing else you really need to figure out
take some damage, w/e, just keep hitting
Okay awesome, you've filled me with hope haha
it's kinda the same story as Night at the Theatre
people get way too scared/give up too easily for whatever reasons, maybe the word "raid" sounds scary or something
but realistically it's even easier than gm quests
if you can beat Vanstrom, Galvek, the Balance Elemental, and especially the Desert Treasure 2 bosses
entry ToB and ToA are legit easier than them
That's good to hear then - just done all those bosses, albeit had some issues but did it lol
You can tob entry mode with rune crossbow lol
Ranging to ignore verzik mechanics is funny
Won’t ever get bounced
yeah, I think that's the big one. if you had to actually melee Verzik for entry I would definitely agree that's a bit steep for a quest (or maybe not? quests these days really push pvm concepts and mechanics onto you lol)
was surprised when Final Dawn dumped offticking a mage and range, plus some light dodging, onto you
!olmspeech
@solar juniperu still need help?
It’d probably be harder than any other quest boss besides dt2 I think, between p2 and p3
Sure thing Vexii, would be ace to see how it's done for the first attempt - what gear type should I bring or shall I go elite void sets?
if u wanna do it u can bring elite void
Set !toa 0 in #2️⃣role-commands
u also have option to just sit and watch
And can peep at #toa-gear-setups after
gimme 1 sec
hop to wrld 424
Click here for Olm tile markers.
The gif below shows how to import them once they are copied.
toa lobby
@solar juniper
OMW
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Thanks for your help - legend 🙂
always here to help bro 😄
hi, im new here. is this the place to be if u wanna learn to raid cox for the first time?
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:two: Click #2️⃣role-commands message and type the commands that are relevant to you
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Oh thank you!
yeah i just wasnt going to say anything i just gave up xd
it was the thought that counted haha
!tobquest
If you are here to get help with A Night at the Theatre:
:one: Click #1️⃣post-your-rsn-here and type your RSN
:two: Click #2️⃣role-commands and type !tob 0.
:three: Click #lfr-tob-learner and post "Looking for some people to do Story Mode with".
For info on the rooms, you can visit #tob-learner-guide but note that TOB entry mode is immensly less punishing and does not require all the gear in the setups.
Note: Unlike regular ToB, doing Story Mode solo is very soloable. You get infinite attempts and food. Don't try to duo it - it scales poorly and is quite hard. It is very easy to complete yourself if you follow a YouTube guide.
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You need to click the blue text lmfao
lol thanks I figured it out
i need remove my rolls for learner im already expirince
Update your kc in #2️⃣role-commands
By typing !cox 10
Or whatever your kc is
Can use !toa and !tob as well
I'd flame anyone on the plugin all the time just because thats the kinda stuff that incentives paybacks
Never miss an opportunity to call out those rats 
something something osrs tos
encouraging harassment
did that get sorted out
it doesn't look like the evidence is public on runewatch
The rat scammed a scythe on a pretty basic alt, got his other accounts incl. his main flagged on Runewatch as well and now cries about it 
I hope he enjoys solo scape
yeah I just searched lol
ive seen multiple people in this chat asking how to get off the list because they "are constantly getting harassed in game"
keep doing gods work @stray mica
If only there was a way to get of the naughty boy list
Remember to flame every blue name you see!
man there sure are a lot of scythe/shadow/tbow scammers running around huh
the ones i'm confused about are when people scam a sang or anc hat and get banned
lots of guys get accounts that can just barely raid, get any purple above like 30m, then scam it and never play the acc again
!r
Please take a look at #🔨how-to-report
yeah uh
explain this one
theres a few of em
people will skim splits to ego or something like that
cus they think they deserve more of the split
idk then don't do wdr splits lol
they skimmed a split, told me to go fuck myself, then pce'd out 
lmao
oh that makes sense
I could see someone rage quitting
if they carried
or like, they had an argument
and taking the split with them
most of the time it's an ironman who didn't intend or know it was split
or an outrageously poor normie
it makes sense until u explain that theyre signing up to split woth randoms regardless of the quality of players they get
aka people who cant read




