What should this channel look like?

[verbal dawn]

@feral raven @tardy niche Also, first

[tardy niche]

Oh yeah

[graceful hare]

A more important question would be what this channel is for, exactly

[verbal dawn]

Requests specifically related to discord

Bot/feature requests, elections, revocations, etc.

[tardy niche]

all <@&803977072875405422> for thoughts

@verbal dawn have added the Misc tag as a placeholder till something permanent is figured out

[verbal dawn]

Okay

[lament dirge]

Sorry I guess I only half finished setting up the channel when creating it. Is there anything left to be done?

[tardy niche]

I tried to do a bit of it

@lament dirge which tags I believe

and then public to all? or VFW

[lament dirge]

I'll decide that later busy IRL ATM

[tardy niche]

actually quick question - do we want RfCs to be able to be done here?

regarding Discord

these are the current tags I added...

[lament dirge]

I think RfCs work better on-wiki because it goes a bit cleaner

[tardy niche]

true yeah

I did the RfF just in case

it's less official

and more just "what's your thoughts"

[lament dirge]

I need to post RfC 3 regarding a few things one of these days.

Mostly to reform the election process a bit.

[tardy niche]

true yeah

[tardy niche]

thoughts on the current tags?

[lament dirge]

Remove Moderator Administrator and Discord Manager for now. #1019693511232208928 will remain separate I think.

[tardy niche]

actually, deleted the role-specific tags

yeah

[tardy niche]

you sure?

I thought the original reason was from #1231344234217603155 that we needed a different place for revocations

[lament dirge]

I think we reform #1019693511232208928 to be something else that covers revocations also.

Both those should be in that channel

[tardy niche]

fair that works

[tardy niche]

#roles maybe?

or #permissions-requests

[lament dirge]

No that is confusing

[tardy niche]

^?

[lament dirge]

I was thinking maybe exactly that but please don't change it yet.

[tardy niche]

Yep, no worries

[tardy niche]

will delete the Election/revocation tags from here though

[lament dirge]

please. also not sure if we really need the rff one

[tardy niche]

RfF I was on the fence about

just thought it could be useful for more official questions, but not quite RfCs

[lament dirge]

In fact the only one I can see a purpose is actually Miscellaneous. Bug Report and Feature Request have nothing to do with Discord that should be reported to us either

[tardy niche]

Feature Request meaning more something like a bot or sorts

like the quote bot that Pix requested

or I suppose we just leave it totally free-form and get rid of tags entirely

[lament dirge]

That's not a feature request IMO that's a bot request which we can have a tag for

[tardy niche]

Ah yeah

[tardy niche]

Or just "Requests"?

if there's a channel request

not sure

[lament dirge]

Yeah that could work

[lament dirge]

Or maybe we do just get rid if tags completely lol. I'm kinda on the fence here

I think it will help to make tags as needed after posts go up based on what it is used for tbh

[tardy niche]

yeah that was my other thought

just develop over time

[tardy niche]

I'm leaning that way actually, if you agree

just leave it totally freeform

but then I'd also probably restrict to VFW

[lament dirge]

Just remove tags and leave as is for now I think.

We can make tags on an as needed basis

[tardy niche]

Done

[lament dirge]

I have to go for now.

[tardy niche]

no worries - when you have a chance, thoughts on the channel description?

fixed also to update

[feral raven]

it's about how it is handled really, but maybe I'm too optimistic that it's a matter of format

[lament dirge]

If you have a better idea for RfCs I'm open to suggestions.

[feral raven]

the real problem for the elections channels for example is how chitchat blends right in with a voting process, making it that much harder to manage

in my mind the avenues are,

• using pins be it to mark the very start or to mark highlights; marking individual votes/key points would not be desirable imo
• splitting off the 'voting portion' with the discussion portion. The former is strictly the official comments of individuals that will be counted, the latter section is for discussion. This would most directly solve the . This could be two concurrent threads, a thread within the main area (could be messy and may not work in forums), or dedicated channel(s) on a temporary basis.
• acknowledge that the discord process is simply different and therefore nullify the usual format in favor of a cleaner cut voting structure: 'votes', handled by emote or such, would be issued to a clearly designated post, and further comments/discussion take place in one channel so the collection of 'consensus' such as it is would be easier. Ie not fitting a square in a round hole.
• Stop burying discord RfCs into an obscure subpage and simply address them like an RfC would be handled for any official miraheze wiki: through the main venue, if not through the designated place itself. I don't like doing discord discussions on-wiki, the community base is simply different, however this one step would reduce some of the bleh associated with how it's been done in the past.