how do i get country infoboxes to work? for example:
{{Infobox country <!-- English name here --> |conventional_long_name = Republic of Template }}
doesnt work on a new wiki but on a separate wiki it works and pops up as a infobox.
#infobox country
robust shale
this is what im talking about. one returns this (first one), the other gives me this (second one) despite me inputting the same exact things
oak osprey
infobox needs to be created, your wiki doesn't have Template:Infobox country page
there are 2 popular ways to create infoboxes
import from another place or build by yourself - PortableInfobox extension seems to be the easiest method to achieve that
robust shale
how does one import that?
oak osprey
via Special:Export on another wiki and Special:Import on yours
if you gonna import from Wikipedia get ready to loads of dependency errors and stuff on yours
it's important to flag the "Include templates" on export page
robust shale
alr im going to be frank here i appreciate the help but im so cofnused on what everything u just said means, is there a guide somewhere or smth? like a video? i found the import pages thing but i have no clue how to get a file and im confused on what u mean by if im going to importan from wikipedia
oak osprey
first time working w/ wiki?
oak osprey
first you go here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export
and do this (what I typed is example, idk how template on Wikipedia is actually called)
then on your wiki you should go ro similar page for import
yourwikiname.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Import
—
about namespaces:
- infobox is a template page and will have
Template:prefix - pages for operating wiki, settings, etc have that
Special:prefix - normal articles don't have prefixes, they're in so called main namespace
etc
mediawiki.org has loads of help pages and guides
but, as I said, be careful w/ Wikipedia import, it might get messed up, because templates on Wikipedia are VERY complicated, you'll have a hard to time to maintain them in a long run
robust shale
hey just got back--thanks so much
so heres where i am at
you mentioned namespace so i assume im meant to selec tthat
oak osprey
oh, last time I tried to import was hundreds years ago, I forgot about this part 🤔
@lean mantle can you help?
lean mantle
if you've exported a mess of templates from Wikipedia, chances are their subpages/helper pages/modules could be in a few different namespaces. My expectation is that the "default locations" option is the best one here, as it should put templates in templates, modules in modules, and so on
The other thing I notice is that you've supplied an interwiki prefix of template. I don't recommend doing that, as it may have collision with the template namespace. Instead, make it the same as your wiki's domain. E.g. bread.miraheze.org has an iw prefix of bread
robust shale
ok i think tomorrow i need to do some research and learning here. i have no clue what namespace or any of this stuff means. i appreciate u both, ill get back to you on this
lean mantle
Glad we could at least start pointing you in the right direction, wishing you luck!
oak osprey
he just said
leave "Interwiki prefix" field emptyin "Interwiki prefix" type your wiki's name/subdomain- flag "Import to default locations"/unflag "Import to a namespace"
lean mantle
It usually doesn't let you leave the interwiki prefix empty, so I recommend either using the same as your wiki's subdomain or some random variation of that, e.g. if your normal prefix is bread, you could give it breadwp to indicate that it's on your wiki but came from wikipedia
oak osprey
I suggest to check
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents
for at least basics on how wikis work
lean mantle
In most cases, I recommend leaving it as your default interwiki prefix for consistency. More info on interwiki specifically:
robust shale
Alright, im going to mull all this over and ill get back to u both. thanks again
so im trying to understand this here; essentially what I am doing is taking the like page of infoboxes and then importing that into my wiki as a template so that way whenever someone types (whatever it is i forget) {{infobox country ..., it knows to refer to the created template and it creates said infobox
maybe that wasnt a great explanation but thats what im picking up on
lean mantle
And to add to the fun, templates themselves can refer to other templates internally in the same way.
So template infobox_country might call template infobox, which itself invokes module infobox
robust shale
gotcha okay
so i would want to be under the "import from another wiki" page
actually, couldnt i just import the exact same infobox from the other miraheze wiki?
and just completely avoid wikipedia since you all said theres some issues there potentially
and i know thats the exact infobox i want--i dont necessarily know the wikipedia one is what i want (if that makes sense)
altho that ones probably from wikipedia tbf
oak osprey
there's possibility that another wiki on miraheze took the dark road of wikipedia import lol
robust shale
knowing the dude, he probably did
oak osprey
that's why I suggested at the very beginning to build infobox by yourself using PortableInfobox extension (aka how infoboxes are made on FANDOM, pretty easy, especially for newcomers)
robust shale
sure ill do that, does it require any coding knowledge?
oak osprey
it has a visual builder which lets you to create infobox w/ basic stuff
it has its own tag system but it's pretty easy, there are guide on it too
robust shale
gotcha
oak osprey
[[mw:Extension:PortableInfobox]]
sly yarrowBOT
oak osprey
this page has a link to FANDOM guide
ignore the download/install part, on Miraheze you just activate extensions in admin menu
robust shale
ah yueah im on that part rn and i was confused
cause im here but i dont see portableinfobox -- where do i activate it?
oak osprey
it must be in parser hooks
lean mantle
It is, yes
robust shale
thats crazy thats the only one i did not check
yes it is
so i check it and its activated
press save ofc
alright so now im at the builder, i press publish once im satisfied and in order to actually use this, what do i type?
{{portable infobox ...?
oh nvm it asks me to name it
ok, it works
sort of
let me play around with this for a minute here and ill let u guys know if i need anything. thanks again so much
ok this is the hardest thing ive ever attempted. i tried to refer to the other infoboxes off the other wiki (miraheze) that had the correct templates and everything. evidently, that did not work, seemingly because it used Lua. i would like to be able to ideally just copy/port the source code of the templates, especially the infobox and country infobox ones over from that wiki but an exceptional amount of issues are arising. is there anyway just for me to use lua and port these templates over using the source?
oak osprey
what exactly you didn't worked out w/ Portable one?
have you added other fields, defined labels and value in the builder? it works as drag and drop
amd on actual article infoboxes are typed w/ values, to work
for example
{{infobox country |title = Romania |map = Romania.jpg |continent = Eurasia ...}}
where title and continent are defined titles of values
map gets the image block of the box
etc
robust shale
what i tried to do was copy and paste the other infobox country's code (from the other wiki that has what i want) to the current one but it seems that built completely different and uses other stuff so
how do i edit an already published infobox?
oak osprey
so, you get dependencies errors now
robust shale
yeah i believe so
oak osprey
how do i edit an already published infobox?
you go to Template: page
robust shale
also i dont know if the old/other wiki used portable infoboxes, it says it uses lua
oak osprey
Lua is Wikipedia way
Wikipedia is huge and needs very complicated templates, that's why they use a whole separate established programming language
specific wikis, w/ defined topic usually don't need that
especially the small ones
robust shale
gotcha
but would it not be easier--especially considering how confusing this is atleast for me--to be able to just copy and paste over all the stuff that i know is correct and works
like all those templates
since those will guaranteed be more extensive and proper than whatever i could make
even if it is at times extraneous and potentially overly complicated, the works already done for me, i just have to port it all over which would take some time yes but nothing compared to starting from ground 0
oak osprey
well
a) licensing - simply copy/pasting code isn't welcomed because all wikis utilize licenes, especially Wikipedia, so the correct way is to do import
b) you gonna have a very hard time chasing and copy pasting each included module and template
because modules, too, use other modules
robust shale
the code is created by a member in our community. this is just a second rendition (actually more like 10th) of this ongoing community if that makes sense
the old wiki is just an older project that has since died
this is sort of a rerun
robust shale
yeah i appreciate that greatly and i dont mean to fight you here on this
im just incredibly confused and i dont want to keep on pestering and bothering u guys with questions and stuff
and even if i did spend a while working on this it would still be quite crude in comparison to whats already made
i hope that makes sense
oak osprey
don't feel bad as it is a support server
you make the decision in the end, it's your wiki
lean mantle
So here's the rundown:
Modules: Lua instructions that introduce new capabilities into a wiki
Templates: Use module code or logic in a more friendly way to tell the wiki page parser what to do in a repeatable way
Articles or other templates: where you use the templates
If you see a dependency error requiring some missing template or module, if you're going down the wikipedia template rabbit hole, you can navigate to the template/module of the same name there (or on the wiki you're borrowing from), copy the code, then create an equivalently named page on your wiki.
e.g. here's the module code for infobox https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module:Infobox&action=edit
I would copy that script and head over to my own wiki, creating a page also called Module:Infobox and pasting in the code.
Once saved, I would go back to the template that was throwing the error in the first place, refresh (and purge the page if necessary) and see if it was throwing a new error.
Context: "Purging" a page forces the server to parse a new version of your page's content, which can be helpful if changes aren't showing up.
oak osprey
"Purge" is a button near "Edit"
lean mantle
The instructions above are for wikipedia-style templates, Portable Infobox templates are an entirely distinct thing that don't use the same code base, which is why they're not interchangeable
If you do decide that dependency chasing is getting old and want to give Portable Infobox another shot, I also compiled some helpful links for Portable Infobox. Since we're using near-enough code to Fandom, most of their documentation works here too:
#general message
robust shale
Gotcha. how do i get a template to redirect to another one?
For instance, Template:A has xyz, but i want Template:B and Template:C to redirect to Template:A. is it valid to just use the same code or should i redirect?
lean mantle
Well, if you just want them to use the code from A, then a simple redirect works
E.g. if you call {{CR}} and the template CR is actually a redirect to Template:Change Request, that should work
robust shale
What am I missing here? I don't see any errors and theres no missing templates or modules from what i can see but for some reason the infobox isnt drawing/working.
lean mantle
You have to edit the x bits and religion names to what you want them to be in the bit that's pasted to the article, it's not automatic.
Templates are a re-usable framework, but if they're dynamic they require inputs to work correctly
robust shale
I dont get what you mean
this is meant to be a template page that people copy and paste the info from then edit it
lean mantle
Do you have a link to where you're testing this?
lean mantle
Thanks, I'll check out the code and give you an example
robust shale
Sure
thanks
my concern is though that the infobox isnt being drawn
and if it is its not in the correct spot
lean mantle
Example edited code:
https://projectum.miraheze.org/wiki/User:NotAracham/sandbox
robust shale
Yeah i get that
but the infobox isnt showing up?
heres what i mean
This is my old countries wiki page
im talking about how the infobox physically shows up and is drawn
lean mantle
So my example was showing you how to edit parameters in the infobox.
The styling is a different issue
robust shale
Now, i just copy and pasted everything form that page to a projectum wiki page titled Vostochnia and got this: https://projectum.miraheze.org/wiki/Vostochnia
lean mantle
Finding the relevant link for that now
lean mantle
Looks like they defined it in their mediawiki:common.css file:
https://terramytas.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css
Yep. This appears to be the segment you need to add:
With that it now appears like this:
robust shale
Indeed it does!
Thank you so much; how did you arrive at that though?
As in how did you figure out I was missing that
lean mantle
So, missing formatting is usually a style issue, e.g. CSS
robust shale
Like if i was missing other stuff how would i figure that out
lean mantle
I checked to see if the wiki was using /styles.css subpages for templates, it looks like this wiki never really set that up.
So the next place to look is their Common.css page, which applies styling to every single page on the wiki
robust shale
Gotcha okay
So then I think im okay here? That solved it btw thank u so much. I was so confused there.
So in reference to 1) is there a way to fix that and then 2) should i be concerned
lean mantle
Enable the TemplateStyles extension
You'll then want to borrow the css from that styles subpage listed there on the source wiki
shadow nimbus
Use Wikipedia for enwp as the prefix
- no you shouldn't be too concerned. See if the source wiki has the same categories, make sure you enable show hidden categories
robust shale
You'll then want to borrow the css from that styles subpage listed there on the ...
Since the source wiki has the same issues, should i take from wikipedia?
also Module:Navbar/styles.css already contains info
e.g.
ah nvm
(i enabled darkmode btw, same wiki), for some reason its self-corrected itself
yeah thats weird, everywhere but the Template page is correct; even a page i just created which i copied exactly from the template page. not really a concern ig
lean mantle
You might want to purge the page
Sometimes it gets stuck on an old cached version on the server
lean mantle
Template page
robust shale
oh my bad it keeps it
yup that fixed it
i figured purge would delete the page
thanks man
lean mantle
Yep, despite the scary name, what Purge actually does is force the server to generate a new parsed copy of the page
Instead of using the cached version it already has
lean mantle
Mhmm, not all changes will force a refreshed parsing, so that purge button is very handy
robust shale
real quick, where do i go to make edits to things like this?
lean mantle
That's the logo, you'll find that under additional settings > Styling, or Special:ManageWiki/settings#mw-section-styling
shadow nimbus
Depends where it came from
robust shale
wdym?
robust shale
yes
i sent the link but it wouldnt let me send it it says it contains content blocked by this community
robust shale
heres what im encountering now
{{listen
|filename=Anthem Test.ogg
|title="Anthem Test"
|description=The "[[Anthem Test]]"}}
i would like it to pop up like so so its playable
robust shale
Hey how can i make the coat of arms not appear when not in use?
I'd imagine it has something to do with the infobox country template but
cause this is all thats there and its still showing up
lean mantle
Usually just setting everything after the = to blank should cause it not to be included, provided there isn't a default value for that parameter.
Calling it a night, have a good holiday.
For the player question, that's probably the TimedMediaHandler extension found under
Special:ManageWiki/extensions#mw-section-mediahandlers
robust shale
yup, that solved it, thanks !
So coat of arms is gonna be a permanent thing?
no way to just have image_flag?
lean mantle
Example of this getting fixed elsewhere: #1033841511646892122 message