celeste linux on nintendo switch thread

[copper bane]

ummmmmmmmmmmm

[upper hound]

hm

[copper bane]

[upper hound]

weird because just running dotnet MiniInstaller.dll works for me

[copper bane]

i checked mini installer dll

its not there???

i might be blind

[upper hound]

...im stupid

[manic tinsel]

I'm pretty sure it emits a binary no

[upper hound]

does ls publish say anything

[copper bane]

oh no its not there

[upper hound]

is that to the ls publish

[copper bane]

Celeste-icon.png MonoMod.Backports.dll Celeste.Mod.mm.deps.json MonoMod.Core.dll Celeste.Mod.mm.dll MonoMod.Iced.dll Celeste.Mod.mm.pdb MonoMod.ILHelpers.dll Celeste.Mod.mm.xml MonoMod.Patcher Celeste.xml MonoMod.Patcher.dll DiscordGameSDK.dll MonoMod.Patcher.pdb DiscordGameSDK.pdb MonoMod.Patcher.runtimeconfig.json DotNetZip.dll MonoMod.Patcher.xml everest-lib MonoMod.RuntimeDetour.dll EverestSplash MonoMod.RuntimeDetour.HookGen FNA.xml MonoMod.RuntimeDetour.HookGen.dll Jdenticon.dll MonoMod.RuntimeDetour.HookGen.pdb KeraLua.dll MonoMod.RuntimeDetour.HookGen.runtimeconfig.json MAB.DotIgnore.dll MonoMod.RuntimeDetour.HookGen.xml Microsoft.NET.HostModel.dll MonoMod.Utils.dll Microsoft.Win32.SystemEvents.dll NETCoreifier.dll MiniInstaller.deps.json NETCoreifier.pdb MiniInstaller.dll Newtonsoft.Json.dll MiniInstaller-linux NLua.dll MiniInstaller-osx NLua.pdb MiniInstaller.pdb piton-apphosts MiniInstaller.runtimeconfig.json piton-runtime.yaml MiniInstaller-win64.exe runtimes MiniInstaller-win.exe System.Drawing.Common.dll Mono.Cecil.dll System.Security.Permissions.dll Mono.Cecil.Mdb.dll System.Windows.Extensions.dll Mono.Cecil.Pdb.dll YamlDotNet.dll Mono.Cecil.Rocks.dll

[upper hound]

yeah i fucked up the cp command

cp -r ../Everest/MiniInstaller/bin/Release/net8.0/publish/* ~/Documents/celeste
cp -r ../Everest/Celeste.Mod.mm/bin/Release/net8.0/publish/* ~/Documents/celeste

but

actually one sec

there

also you can safely rm -r publish

[copper bane]

okay what do i run now

[upper hound]

did those work

[copper bane]

[copper bane]

no output but no errors whatsoever

[upper hound]

okay good

check if ls ~/Documents/celeste/MiniInstaller.dll exists

[copper bane]

it does

[manic tinsel]

lets go

dotnet MiniInstaller.dll

[copper bane]

its doing magic

[upper hound]

did it finish doing magic

[copper bane]

not yet

[upper hound]

okay

[copper bane]

it has finished

[upper hound]

okay what about dotnet Celeste.dll

[manic tinsel]

prayge

[manic tinsel]

oh

[upper hound]

lmao whys it trying to relaunch the apphost

[mystic umbra]

oh the ld_library_path

[upper hound]

yeah i was about to suggest

[manic tinsel]

LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/napkin/Documents/celeste/lib-arm64 dotnet Celeste.dll

imo?

[mystic umbra]

aa im snail

but yeah

[manic tinsel]

chateline

[copper bane]

uuhh the napkin@napkin-piracy:------------ isnt there yet ?????

[upper hound]

press enter

[copper bane]

oh

[mystic umbra]

oh wait it needs to be named like that lmao

nuke whatever you have in lib64-linux, and copy lib-arm64 to a new folder named lib64-linux

[copper bane]

OH THATS WHY WE okay

[upper hound]

imo ln -s it

[copper bane]

?

[upper hound]

after deleting it, ln -s lib-arm64 lib64-linux

this will create a symbolic link

tl;dr this will make a pseudo-folder that actually redirects to the lib-arm64 folder

[copper bane]

done

do i run the thing again

[upper hound]

if you ls -l lib64-linux, does the line start with l

so like lrwxrwxrwx

[copper bane]

yes

[upper hound]

ok good

now dotnet Celeste.dll
i think that'll work

[upper hound]

oh okay you do need the ld_library_path

so yeah LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/napkin/Documents/celeste/lib-arm64 dotnet Celeste.dll

[copper bane]

same thing bleuhgh

[upper hound]

huh

[upper hound]

oh it needs to be an envvar

[manic tinsel]

I’m not understanding how you’re getting that from this 😵‍💫

[upper hound]

because

i have the everest repository open

ok what does env | grep LD_LIBRARY_PATH show

[copper bane]

no output

[upper hound]

ok good

export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$(realpath lib64-linux)
dotnet Celeste.dll

[manic tinsel]

jank

[copper bane]

red

[upper hound]

huh

[mystic umbra]

--disable-splash

(add that at the end of the command)

[upper hound]

no thats not the error

it can't find fna3d

[manic tinsel]

jank

FNA is in lib-arm64

[mystic umbra]

oh right, i should have opened the file first

lmao

[manic tinsel]

not in the .dotnet directory

[upper hound]

do we have an arm fma4d

ignore the typo

[manic tinsel]

4D Celeste

but either way we should

[upper hound]

does ls lib64-linux/FNA3D* show anything

[mystic umbra]

its libFNA3D.so

[manic tinsel]

-# ✅

[upper hound]

ah

its looking for fna3d in the app directory

[manic tinsel]

-# ✅

but why

[muted egret]

because pinvoke doesn't search ld_library_path

[mystic umbra]

hm?

everest has always done this

[muted egret]

i believe you need to tell dotnet about the extra search path yourself

i don't think it respects ld_library_path

[manic tinsel]

what!!

[mystic umbra]

but like we have been restarting with that env var on linux since forever

and it has been working

we do not specify lib64-linux anywhere else

(not even rpath or runpath)

[mystic umbra]

maybe calling it via dotnet is messing it up

[manic tinsel]

I'm assuming so yeah

or through envvar jank

[muted egret]

hmm

actually i think it just does dlopen

does dlopen respect ld_library_path?

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/standard/native-interop/native-library-loading

[manic tinsel]

I'm pretty sure Mihate Hiura but Real simply copied the libs into lib64-linux, no symlinks

and it just. Worked?

[mystic umbra]

i would expect it to

[upper hound]

NativeLibrary.SetDllImportResolver(Assembly.GetExecutingAssembly(), DllImportResolver);

seems promising

[mystic umbra]

yes

https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man3/dlopen.3.html

[muted egret]

would probably be worth trying to copy instead of symlinking

[upper hound]

doesn't hurt

rm lib64-linux
cp -r lib-arm64 lib64-linux

and run celeste again

[manic tinsel]

@copper bane

[copper bane]

BALKSAGEUASRAB

yesyes

[manic tinsel]

every time I ping this man he is reassembled a la Atlas and P-Body in the Portal 2 Cooperative Testing Initiative

thus the noises

don't worry about it

[upper hound]

huh

is it unlink

[manic tinsel]

rm -r

no?

[upper hound]

no wont that delete the files inside

[manic tinsel]

hm.

idk I just open dolphin and delete it 😭

[copper bane]

what do i delet

WHAT DO I DELET

[manic tinsel]

stack overflow says rm

I mean unlink works too I guess

unlink lib64-linux

[copper bane]

[upper hound]

or ok what does ls lib64-linux show

[upper hound]

okay

i messed up ln

so rm -r lib64-linux

[manic tinsel]

LMAO

rip

[upper hound]

then ln -s lib-arm64 lib64-linux

turns out i didnt mess ln

it for some reason didnt like the lib64-linux folder existing

[copper bane]

done

[manic tinsel]

and then I think dotnet Celeste.dll should just work now

right?

it is pointing to the default path

[upper hound]

what do you see when you ls -l ~/Documents/celeste/lib64-linux

[copper bane]

red

[copper bane]

no output

[upper hound]

huh

[manic tinsel]

gang perhaps it is about time we open Dolphin 😭

[upper hound]

what if you do ls -l lib*

[manic tinsel]

I think you forgot to type the command Snip sent before

[manic tinsel]

this one

[upper hound]

wholestare

also do rm lib-arm64/lib-arm64

[manic tinsel]

ln stands for link: it creates links, or shortcuts, between different files and folders
ls stands for list: it lists the things in a directory

and sl stands for steam locomotive

[upper hound]

nice reference

[delicate plaza]

and nl is the netherlands

[copper bane]

so smeepy

[manic tinsel]

yippee

okay

[upper hound]

yeah okay so the link worked

[manic tinsel]

dotnet Celeste.dll

[copper bane]

red

[manic tinsel]

GAAHHHH

but perhaps we should stop for the day, seeing as you're tired and also have school tomorrow

[copper bane]

it's 9pm

[upper hound]

i think we can replace Celeste with

#!/bin/bash
dotnet Celeste.dll

[manic tinsel]

okay but what red

elaborate on this

[upper hound]

uh i didnt mean to run these

[copper bane]

oh

[upper hound]

i meant to say you can replace the file named Celeste with those contents

[copper bane]

sorry

[copper bane]

ooohhh okay

so i do that?

[manic tinsel]

not yet imo

[copper bane]

gotcha

we're so close yet so far

i think
idk

[manic tinsel]

hm

doesn't say restarting celeste with LD_LIBRARY_PATH in the log this time

so

[upper hound]

because the envvar is still there

[manic tinsel]

i see,,

any ideas on how to get ts looking in the right directory then?

[upper hound]

lets

rm Celeste
echo -e "#!/bin/bash\ndotnet Celeste.dll" > Celeste
chmod u+x Celeste

first

[copper bane]

stretching helps a LOT with tiredness

i am renewed

[upper hound]

after you do this, can you cat Celeste to see what it has

[upper hound]

?

does it think the # is a comment

[copper bane]

whar

[upper hound]

oh ok just replace the quotes

echo -e '#!/bin/bash\ndotnet Celeste.dll' > Celeste

and the chmod

[copper bane]

done

no output tbw

btw

[upper hound]

thats fine

now lets see what happens when you ./Celeste

does it run at all

[copper bane]

permission denied???????

[upper hound]

did you run the chmod

[copper bane]

uh

whar

OH

[upper hound]

chmod u+x Celeste

like i said above

[copper bane]

no sorry

i'll do it now

a lot of red now (afet ./Celeste)

[upper hound]

ok but it runs

[manic tinsel]

..right?

[upper hound]

also okay real quick, can you nano ~/.bashrc and scroll to the bottom

i'll make dotnet available every time you run bash

or tbh just echo >> will work

[manic tinsel]

you could also kwrite ~/.bashrc to have a gui

[upper hound]

probably better idea

[copper bane]

so i run thag

[upper hound]

ehhh since you have it open already its fine

add this to the bottom

export DOTNET_ROOT=$HOME/.dotnet
export PATH=$PATH:$DOTNET_ROOT:$DOTNET_ROOT/tools

then ctrl+x and save

[manic tinsel]

I think it's ctrl+s then ctrl+x

[upper hound]

ctrl+x asks you to save

[manic tinsel]

oh.

clueless

[copper bane]

i pressed ctrl x then y, do i enter?

[upper hound]

does it show the file path

[copper bane]

File Name to Write: /home/napkin/.bashrc

[upper hound]

yeah enter

[copper bane]

done

[upper hound]

now i think close the terminal and reopen it, then cd Documents/celeste and ./Celeste

[copper bane]

MORE RED AUHGRGHRH

[upper hound]

its fine, i just wanted to make sure celeste runs

send the error info though

[copper bane]

wall incoming (im not making another txt file)

`--------------------------------
Detailed exception log:

System.ComponentModel.Win32Exception: An error occurred trying to start process '/home/napkin/Documents/celeste/./EverestSplash/EverestSplash-linux' with working directory '/home/napkin/Documents/celeste'. Exec format error
at System.Diagnostics.Process.ForkAndExecProcess(ProcessStartInfo startInfo, String resolvedFilename, String[] argv, String[] envp, String cwd, Boolean setCredentials, UInt32 userId, UInt32 groupId, UInt32[] groups, Int32& stdinFd, Int32& stdoutFd, Int32& stderrFd, Boolean usesTerminal, Boolean throwOnNoExec)
at System.Diagnostics.Process.StartCore(ProcessStartInfo startInfo)
at Celeste.Mod.EverestSplashHandler.RunSplash(String targetRenderer) in Celeste.Mod.mm/Mod/Everest/EverestSplashHandler.cs:line 83
Controller 0: Nintendo Switch Combined Joy-Cons, GUID: 7e050820, Mapping: 06004cfc7e0500000820000000000000,Nintendo Switch Combined Joy-Cons,a:b0,b:b1,back:b9,dpdown:b15,dpleft:b16,dpright:b17,dpup:b14,guide:b11,leftshoulder:b5,leftstick:b12,lefttrigger:b7,leftx:a0,lefty:a1,misc1:b4,rightshoulder:b6,rightstick:b13,righttrigger:b8,rightx:a2,righty:a3,start:b10,x:b3,y:b2,platform:Linux,

Detailed exception log:

System.DllNotFoundException: Unable to load shared library 'FNA3D' or one of its dependencies. In order to help diagnose loading problems, consider using a tool like strace. If you're using glibc, consider setting the LD_DEBUG environment variable:
/home/napkin/.dotnet/shared/Microsoft.NETCore.App/8.0.21/FNA3D.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
/home/napkin/Documents/celeste/FNA3D.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
/home/napkin/.dotnet/shared/Microsoft.NETCore.App/8.0.21/libFNA3D.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
/home/napkin/Documents/celeste/libFNA3D.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
/home/napkin/.dotnet/shared/Microsoft.NETCore.App/8.0.21/FNA3D: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
/home/napkin/Documents/celeste/FNA3D: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
/home/napkin/.dotnet/shared/Microsoft.NETCore.App/8.0.21/libFNA3D: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
/home/napkin/Documents/celeste/libFNA3D: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

at Microsoft.Xna.Framework.Graphics.FNA3D.FNA3D_PrepareWindowAttributes()
at Microsoft.Xna.Framework.SDL2_FNAPlatform.CreateWindow() in /__w/Everest-libs/Everest-libs/source/FNA/src/FNAPlatform/SDL2_FNAPlatform.cs:line 409
at Microsoft.Xna.Framework.Game..ctor() in /__w/Everest-libs/Everest-libs/source/FNA/src/Game.cs:line 272
at Monocle.Engine..ctor(Int32 width, Int32 height, Int32 windowWidth, Int32 windowHeight, String windowTitle, Boolean fullscreen, Boolean vsync)
at Celeste.Celeste.orig_ctor_Celeste()
at Celeste.Celeste..ctor() in Celeste.Mod.mm/Patches/Celeste.cs:line 307
at Celeste.Celeste.orig_Main(String[] args)
TypeLoadException.TypeName:
(11/02/2025 21:52:17) [Everest] [Info] [legacy-monomod] Uninitialized legacy MonoMod compatibility layer
Exiting Celeste process`

[upper hound]

did it show "Restarting with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=..."?

[copper bane]

yes

[upper hound]

so i guess the ld_library_path is not being respected

or it doesn't like symlinks

[mystic umbra]

also run that again with LD_DEBUG=libs at the very start

[upper hound]

lets try copying this time but for real

actually yeah do that

doesnt it need to be an envvar tho

[mystic umbra]

LD_DEBUG=libs ./Celeste

[upper hound]

ah

[copper bane]

i uhhh uuuuuuuhhhh

[mystic umbra]

also you can do this

[copper bane]

way too much text

[mystic umbra]

to not wall

[copper bane]

and a little bit of red

[mystic umbra]

send it all

[copper bane]

i can't

it cuts off

it's that long

[mystic umbra]

make a file then

[upper hound]

wait log.txt?

[manic tinsel]

if you send a message that's too long, discord should upload it as a file

[upper hound]

does ls log.txt show anything

[mystic umbra]

or like LD_DEBUG=libs ./Celeste &> awesome_log and send the file called awesome_log here

[upper hound]

or no wait other stuff wont be shown nvm

[mystic umbra]

nice

[copper bane]

i put save output as file

[manic tinsel]

log levels!

[mystic umbra]

are you sure this is the right thing

[upper hound]

i think its getting cut off

[upper hound]

can you run this

LD_DEBUG=libs ./Celeste &> awesome_log

[copper bane]

there it is

with the command

[mystic umbra]

uhhh

can you ls lib64-linux

[upper hound]

theres a libFNA3D.so.0

[manic tinsel]

the goose chase:

[manic tinsel]

yeah.

[mystic umbra]

despair

[upper hound]

can you ln -s lib-arm64/libFNA3D.so.0 lib-arm64/libFNA3D.so

[manic tinsel]

cd lib-arm64
ln -s libFNA3D.so.0 libFNA3D.so

im 🐌

[upper hound]

no need to leave the celeste dir

[manic tinsel]

[mystic umbra]

you will also need to simlink libSDL2-2.0.so.0 to libSDL2.so at some point

[copper bane]

done

[mystic umbra]

okay pray

[upper hound]

why not now

[mystic umbra]

and run the thing

i didnt say you didnt have to do it now

[manic tinsel]

ln -s lib-arm64/libSDL2-2.0.so.0 lib-arm64/libSDL2.so

[upper hound]

yeah but why not now

[copper bane]

uuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[mystic umbra]

because uhh idk

do it now then

[copper bane]

what do i run

i confuse

[manic tinsel]

^

[copper bane]

done

[manic tinsel]

./Celeste again

[copper bane]

red

[upper hound]

LD_DEBUG=libs ./Celeste &> awesome_log ig

[copper bane]

¿?

[upper hound]

run that

[copper bane]

i already did that

[manic tinsel]

do it again this time

we changed some things

[copper bane]

i ran ./Celeste and the- okay

[manic tinsel]

so it should show something different

[upper hound]

though

first run ls -l lib-arm64

[copper bane]

gotcha

[upper hound]

oh.

awesome

rm lib-arm64/libFNA3D.so
ln -s libFNA3D.so.0 lib-arm64/libFNA3D.so
rm lib-arm64/libSDL2.so
ln -s libSDL2-2.0.so.0 lib-arm64/libSDL2.so

then ls -l lib-arm64 again

[upper hound]

ok good

now the libs should be good

run celeste again

[copper bane]

still red

do i need to run the other ./Celeste command

the ld debugs or smth

[upper hound]

sure

and send the log

[upper hound]

can you put .txt extensions after the file names so that we don't have to download the file

[copper bane]

[upper hound]

ok this is progress

so discord won't work

[upper hound]

yea its fine now

i mean in the future

[copper bane]

oh

no thats the ld debugs /celeste log

[upper hound]

do we have an arm lua dll @mystic umbra

i see an android-arm64 dll

luajit is 5.1 right

[manic tinsel]

well

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lua5.4

Not sure if this is what you’re looking for

[upper hound]

yeah luajit is 5.1

we need the liblua54.so for arm64

[copper bane]

okay i might

need to

go to sleep

my head really wants to slam on the desk

[manic tinsel]

yeah! I also have homework to finish

we can stop for today

[copper bane]

blahsuegsahgeghhgr

[upper hound]

one question rq

one sec

can you put this in lib-arm64

and try again

[copper bane]

try what again

[upper hound]

the ld_debug= ...

hoping it'll work but i doubt it

[upper hound]

can i get the other file

the one you put after &> ...

[copper bane]

uuuhhhh whar

[upper hound]

you ran the ld_debug=... ./celeste &> awesome_log command, right

[copper bane]

yes

[upper hound]

i need awesome_log

[copper bane]

well, not with awesome_log name

[upper hound]

still, i need the file

[copper bane]

how did you
find that
again

[upper hound]

what

it's in the same folder as celeste

[manic tinsel]

like the log you get from doing LD_DEBUG=libs ./Celeste &> awesome_log.txt

[copper bane]

idk how to change it to txt

renaming doesnt let me do it
checking properties also doesnt

[copper bane]

unless its terminal stuff

oh

noted

does that wo- yes it does yaaaayyyyyy

[upper hound]

ok and ls lib-arm64/liblua54.so exists right

thats the last thing i want you to check rn

[manic tinsel]

then you can be allowed to sleep

lmao

[copper bane]

how do i check tha

[upper hound]

just run the ls

[copper bane]

oh its a command

sorry

[upper hound]

ok it doesn't like the architecture

[copper bane]

im still not gonna be allowed to sleep because i have to move around some files in switch cfw

[upper hound]

yeah go to sleep now

[copper bane]

eventually

[upper hound]

or you could try this one as a last resort

[copper bane]

oh fuck

[upper hound]

i dont need the errorlog

[copper bane]

noted

[upper hound]

ok so it found it

but

but it complains with /lib/aarch64-linux-gnu/libc.so: invalid ELF header

[manic tinsel]

@silver merlin hello

did you need liblua? how did you lib the lua?

[silver merlin]

from system installation of lua

i just symlinked

[manic tinsel]

[upper hound]

can we get the .so

[manic tinsel]

simply clone your asahi install and send it here imo

[silver merlin]

wait a sec has to go downstairs

[manic tinsel]

-# 👍

no rush

[upper hound]

hopefully this'll work

anyways lets see tomorrow

[manic tinsel]

oh also

I'll write a summary of everything we had to do once this is over

[copper bane]

so other people can do it?

[upper hound]

live feed

[manic tinsel]

[manic tinsel]

yes, and so perhaps Everest can add official aarch64 support that may or may not automatically apply all the changes that we made

[copper bane]

it's better if a human does it imo..... that way we make sure there aren't any mistakes

[upper hound]

yeah obviously

i was kidding

[copper bane]

oh

[manic tinsel]

I volunteer as tribute :3

[muted egret]

honestly it'd probably do a pretty good job

[upper hound]

and i dont think many people are in favor of making changes like that

[manic tinsel]

final standings

angel:         1300
napkin:        1093
snip:          492
wartori:       207
danike:        125
rain:          100
mihate real:   88
david:         29
maddie:        16
adamd:         9
r58:           1

message count

dear lords I'm the Yapper

[copper bane]

im the image sender

[manic tinsel]

real!

[manic tinsel]

live celeste-wasm reaction

[copper bane]

those 100gb from google plus aint looking so good with how many images of magic runes i have

[upper hound]

i mean community wise

theres people already rolling back to just post-core everest to play mods

[copper bane]

63 images of just code

damn

[manic tinsel]

we could always set up something in the wiki thread that says "hey if ur on arm and fmod is crashing you should tell us what mods are enabled and what maps you're playing"

[upper hound]

i mean the user complaints

[manic tinsel]

not everything has to be implemented at once imo

[manic tinsel]

tell them to fuck off

[copper bane]

💔

[upper hound]

sure, if you do that

[manic tinsel]

kidding, of course. but I think people can understand that programming takes time, and ARM64 isn't an officially supported platform by EXOK

[upper hound]

having to change to fmod2 means having to change to fmod2 everywhere

not just arm64

[manic tinsel]

really??

[delicate plaza]

how much of a problem would that be?

[upper hound]

ask wartori because im not the library expert

im not a librarian

[manic tinsel]

wait I don't quite understand. can't Celeste use FMOD2 under the hood for just ARM64?

[copper bane]

what about adding support to fmod2?
-# reminder i don't have any coding experience

[delicate plaza]

i was under the impression that fmod2 was something we'd get to eventually and it was just a matter of it being difficult

[sick plover]

relink to fmod 2 only on arm64 would be fine no

[upper hound]

what about api differences

[manic tinsel]

so! FMOD1 was never made with ARM64 support. FMOD2 has ARM64 support. to have sound you must 2 the FMOD

[copper bane]

not change everything, just make a separate instance for fmod2 users

[sick plover]

you can modify the bindings and the c side to fix those

as celeste-wasm does it

[manic tinsel]

the celeste wasm shiller:

[delicate plaza]

i mean luna got fmod2 nearly working in everest, i don't think the differences are that big

[sick plover]

i mean there's no other public celeste port with fmod 2

[manic tinsel]

Celeste-ARM64 does it to an extent, Luna was working on an actual port like Rain said

but this kind of depends on whether we can all agree on an end goal

if everyone must migrate to FMOD2 eventually and we leave legacy bindings that's one situation

if we patch it in for ARM64 support only that's another situation

I'm not the C programmer so I can't really provide an opinion on how far this would go

[upper hound]

didnt it give up

[delicate plaza]

yea, i don't remember why exactly though
i still think it's feasible

[upper hound]

we just need a shim right

[manic tinsel]

and then it died

I guess?

and @static river was thinking about continuing that work

[sick plover]

looked through changelog again,
FMOD_Studio_System_SetListenerAttributes, FMOD_Studio_EventInstance_SetParameterValue, and FMOD_System_getVersion changed their function signatures, all the other functions are just renames that monomod can do aot

[manic tinsel]

vine boom

[upper hound]

huh

lets hope they do the same things

[manic tinsel]

[sick plover]

they do the same things; its just small things like getVersion returning build number, setlistenerattributes asking for an optional attenuation position, and setparametervalue asking for an ignore seek speed flag

[manic tinsel]

it's doable??

[copper bane]

everest sound real?

[sick plover]

well yeah i would think if celeste wasm can use fmod 2 then it can happen natively too

here the shim would have to be injected into the library instead of just putting it in a random object file though (wasm doesn't care about library name)

monomod can handle the pinvoke renames

[manic tinsel]

would you be willing to help with such an endeavour, then? I'm genuinely useless when it comes to low level programming so I'm afraid I'd either have to get with them tutorials or gtfo

[upper hound]

how?

[sick plover]

go through each method in the assembly and check if the pinvoke module name starts with fmod, then change the entrypoint string

https://github.com/MercuryWorkshop/celeste-wasm/blob/threads-v2/patcher/MonoModRules.cs#L43-L60 fmodpostprocessor

[sick plover]

sure

[manic tinsel]

are we fr making sdl2-compat for fmod

less so, because we have monomod

but

[upper hound]

well celeste does it by adding an AssemblyLoadContext.ResolveUnmanagedAssembly or smth like that

everest*

not celeste

[sick plover]

that redirects the whole library which would work too i guess

[upper hound]

yeah

[sick plover]

yeah maybe just add more symbols to the fmod library instead of modifying celeste

[upper hound]

how pain is that

i want to learn more low level stuff but i can't find many decent resources

[manic tinsel]

+1 to this

though I know even less than you do

[sick plover]

it looks like that is Quite Hard and requires rebuilding the whole shared library

not sure if fmod provides static libraries instead of shared libraries for non-wasm platforms

it does not

[upper hound]

so it is hard

[sick plover]

celeste-arm64 uses dllmap to do it so that's another approach?

[static river]

key word thinking. probs wont acsualy as adhd and also i dont do music stuff so lerning it wouldnt be useful for anything outer then this

(im still very inexsperenced with porting stuff so take this with a grean of salt) if fmod and fmod 2's main apis are simaler enough (to the point that it looks basicly the same from the outside eg same funcson signichers and funcsonality) aside from a few funcsons or objects a translatson layer would probs be best. if its a huge change then assuming you are fine with breaking mod compatability the best thing would be to rewrite celeste to use fmod 2 natively. if you arent ok with breaking mod compatability then welp ig time to recreate all the fmod funcsonality with fmod2

[mystic umbra]

yes, but as rain said, we have always been wishing to update to fmod 2, and furthermore maintaining two versions of fmod depending on the arch sounds like pain

[silver merlin]

then this seems like a good time to commit to porting to fmod 2

[copper bane]

[copper bane]

i kinda wanna know though, what exactly are we trying to do here?

because i don't understand lmfao

[silver merlin]

make sound work

which will be a quite bit of work

[copper bane]

oh

[manic tinsel]

here’s my slightly more detailed explanation:

FMOD is a way for you to implement detailed sound in your game without doing it yourself

Things like rhythm, fades, loops, and layers in Celeste aren’t done by Celeste itself

Celeste relies on FMOD to do all this:
“hey fmod can you turn on the next layer”
“yea sure”

Between FMOD 1 and 2, things have changed a little

many things have been renamed, and some features have changed the way they should be used

like r58 said: when you ask FMOD 2 “hey what’s the current version of FMOD”
FMOD 2 responds differently than FMOD 1 would

to maintain compatibility with mods built with FMOD 1, we need to build a translation layer between the two

and again, we can only use FMOD 2 on ARM64 because there does not exist a FMOD 1 for ARM64

by the way napkin I’m four hours behind you now. It’s still 8 AM for me

I get off earliest at 4, so your 8 PM

:(

[copper bane]

noted

[copper bane]

quite interesting

[copper bane]

@manic tinsel art thou free

[manic tinsel]

I am going to take a shower

[copper bane]

[manic tinsel]

replace your liblua54.so with this one though
and rename it to have the same name

[copper bane]

back

[copper bane]

uuhh where is that again

help

oh

found it

lib-arm64?

please tell me i was right

[manic tinsel]

✅

and then you can LD_DEBUG=libs ./Celeste &> awesome_log.txt

@silver merlin can we get a nice list of all of the libs you have symlinked/copied into Everest

[silver merlin]

not rn, gotta go to uni

will be a few hours until i can use my macbook

[manic tinsel]

gl uni

[silver merlin]

~2hr one way via public transit

[manic tinsel]

gl uni 🫡

[copper bane]

[manic tinsel]

is my search broken or has lua simply disappeared from the logs

[copper bane]

are we cooked

[manic tinsel]

idk!

it has simply vanished

well

we’ll ignore it for now

It still can’t run the splash though

[copper bane]

whats the splash

[manic tinsel]

like the purple window with the gear icon where it says Loading 54 mods…

[copper bane]

OH

how to run the splash then ?

[manic tinsel]

I.. don’t know :3

[copper bane]

we're so cooked

[manic tinsel]

open up your File Named Celeste again

should say like dotnet run Celeste.dll

you can try adding --disable-splash after Celeste.dll???

[copper bane]

in the same line?

[manic tinsel]

yea

in the meantime

@mystic umbra splash how

[copper bane]

we're missing the discord sdk or something

also

celeste icon pops up on taskbar\

game runs for split second
and then crashes

[manic tinsel]

I’m pausing???

wait ✋ 🤚

[mystic umbra]

https://github.com/EverestAPI/Resources/wiki/Command-Line-Arguments

or you mean something else

in which case, what are you asking lmao

[manic tinsel]

we can disable the splash

but how would we make a compatible splash

[manic tinsel]

the game runs fine without Discord, it just lets you know and keeps on trudging

[copper bane]

oh

[manic tinsel]

are you ready?

System.Exception: FMOD Failed: ERR_HEADER_MISMATCH (There is a version mismatch between the FMOD header and either the FMOD Studio library or the FMOD Low Level library.)

prepare the clown music

[manic tinsel]

It’s time to Fucky the Wucky

[copper bane]

also question

can nvidia shadowplay be isntalled into this thing

[manic tinsel]

what the balls is nvidia shadowplay

[copper bane]

if not
what other game clip services could i install into this thing\

[manic tinsel]

oh

clipping?

[manic tinsel]

you can technically run OBS to constantly record the last 30 seconds

[mystic umbra]

whats broken about it

it only needs a working sdl2 and fna3d

[manic tinsel]

exec format error

[mystic umbra]

oh it uses piton too

[manic tinsel]

[mystic umbra]

yeah if you fix piton it should work

[manic tinsel]

alr!

[mystic umbra]

you can test it with the good old dotnet EverestSplash.dll --testmode

[manic tinsel]

👍

[manic tinsel]

but the most common answer to “does proprietary software run on Linux” is “no”

[copper bane]

oh

i love linux !!!!

[manic tinsel]

I’m sure good people have made clipping utilities though

we can figure that out after

anyways who up f-ing they mod

This is kind of where my Helpful Tutorial kind of falls apart

I’m not familiar with all this

[copper bane]

this tourist guide sucks at their job bro

cant even explain whats going on

[manic tinsel]

:real:

I found thing

should work

you still got your Celeste-ARM64 folder?

[copper bane]

yes

i havent deleted anything at all

[manic tinsel]

should be a folder called fmod in it

can you cd to that?

[copper bane]

done

[manic tinsel]

make nosound

[copper bane]

it has finished the maigc

[manic tinsel]

are there two .so files there now

[civic gull]

This is good https://flathub.org/en/apps/com.dec05eba.gpu_screen_recorder

[manic tinsel]

FLATPAK

AAAAAHHHHHH

[copper bane]

SCARY FLATPAK

[civic gull]

bwaaa

[copper bane]

@manic tinsel

reply died

[manic tinsel]

maybe in the nosound folder

[copper bane]

yes

threres 2 .so

fils

[manic tinsel]

copy those and paste them inside lib ARM64

[copper bane]

i copy pasted them

ran ./Celeste

did not work

they end in .10, do i change that?

[manic tinsel]

do the whole debug libs awesome log thing again?

wait.

I understand

[copper bane]

"I UNDERSTAND IT NOW" -angel 2025

[manic tinsel]

can I get another cheeky ls -l lib-arm64

[copper bane]

total 14312 -rwxrwxr-x 1 napkin napkin 69440 Nov 2 13:07 fmod_fix.so -rwxrwxr-x 1 napkin napkin 71088 Nov 2 13:07 libfmod_SDL.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 napkin napkin 13 Nov 2 13:07 libfmod.so -> libfmod.so.13 -rwxrwxr-x 1 napkin napkin 196512 Nov 3 21:54 libfmod.so.10 -rwxr-xr-x 1 napkin napkin 1254672 Nov 2 13:07 libfmod.so.13 lrwxrwxrwx 1 napkin napkin 19 Nov 2 13:07 libfmodstudio.so -> libfmodstudio.so.13 -rwxrwxr-x 1 napkin napkin 104992 Nov 3 21:54 libfmodstudio.so.10 -rwxr-xr-x 1 napkin napkin 1239128 Nov 2 13:07 libfmodstudio.so.13 lrwxrwxrwx 1 napkin napkin 13 Nov 2 22:19 libFNA3D.so -> libFNA3D.so.0 -rwxrwxr-x 1 napkin napkin 717992 Nov 2 13:07 libFNA3D.so.0 -rw-rw-r-- 1 napkin napkin 329616 Nov 3 20:44 liblua54.so -rwxrwxr-x 1 napkin napkin 10822264 Nov 2 13:07 libSDL2-2.0.so.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 napkin napkin 16 Nov 2 22:20 libSDL2.so -> libSDL2-2.0.so.0

[manic tinsel]

okay

in dolphin

nuke libfmod.so.13 and studio 13

[copper bane]

where is studio 13

[manic tinsel]

ie

libfmodstudio.so.13

and then right click on the one that says exactly libfmod.so
click properties (at the very bottom)
in points to, change the 13 to 10

do the same for libfmodstudio.so

wow I sure hope I won't screw anything up with this

oh well, nuking with Dolphin at least means it goes to a trash bin and isn't gone forever

[copper bane]

game runs

no sound

but

game runs

[manic tinsel]

RAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

[copper bane]

if sound could work that would be really cool tho...............................

[manic tinsel]

@upper hound @delicate plaza @mystic umbra WE COOKED

[manic tinsel]

yeah. but the sound project is a whole Thing

[copper bane]

wdym a whole Thing

[manic tinsel]

like a project that would be as big as/even bigger than Everest

okay maybe not bigger

[copper bane]

AAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH

[manic tinsel]

probably not bigger

[civic gull]

Is sound not working something expected?

[copper bane]

yeah

sadly

[civic gull]

do you know the reason for it?

[copper bane]

no

lmfao

im just following instructions this whole thing is everyone elses work

i dont know shit

something something fmod something

[civic gull]

ah

[copper bane]

well i hope people try to get sound working

that'd be cool

so like
is this it

lmfao

[manic tinsel]

one more thing

open your file manager

and go to /home/napkin/.local/share/applications

[copper bane]

done

whar do i do

[manic tinsel]

right click, new text file

and call it Celeste.desktop

[copper bane]

theres already one

oh also olympus is whining

[manic tinsel]

open in in Kwrite and show me what it looks like?

[manic tinsel]

uhhhh we'll deal with it later

[manic tinsel]

okay

change the exec line to

Exec=/home/napkin/Documents/celeste/Celeste

and icon to

Icon=/home/napkin/Documents/celeste/Celeste.png

[copper bane]

done

[manic tinsel]

save it, and you now should be able to launch Everest from your menu taskbar thing

[copper bane]

lets see.......................

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh idk if i opened 3 times and my switch will explode with 3 celeste instances or it just doesnt work

[manic tinsel]

remember how we disabled the Loading 51 mods.. screen

perhaps it is Loading

[copper bane]

oh

[manic tinsel]

at any rate, Celeste will exit if it detects more than one of itself

[copper bane]

oh im so cooked i clicked it 4 times

[manic tinsel]

so you're probably fine in that regard

[copper bane]

nvm then

its still "loading" tho

i have no mods enabled

help

[manic tinsel]

if nothing happens in a while perhaps check like

uhh

try top / htop or something like that

in your terminal

pressing up and down will scroll

[copper bane]

taskbar crashed

[copper bane]

¿? whar

[manic tinsel]

try typing top or htop in your terminal

not sure which one you have

[manic tinsel]

well

I don't see any Celeste

can you execute .desktop files from the terminal, I wonder

one sec

uhhh

maybe send me the Celeste.desktop

or like paste it in

[copper bane]

in the celeste arm 64 there is a fmod_fix.so file

would that do anything

should we try it

or

[manic tinsel]

I'd have to look at what it does

it may or may not apply

but we can perhaps replicate vanilla audio well enough

[manic tinsel]

oh no not like that

[copper bane]

oh

[manic tinsel]

an .so file is a binary meaning it's been tranlsated to machine code

we cannot read ts

[copper bane]

oh lmao sorry

learn binary smh

[manic tinsel]

the Celeste-ARM64 repository probably contains the actual readable code there somewhere

we'll find it in a bit

[copper bane]

also that'd be cool since idc about music

as long as i can get madeline sounds thats cool

like
dashing and interacteables (kevins, conveyors, dream blocks)

[manic tinsel]

perhaps

If gtk3 is installed, run gtk-launch application.desktop.

so gtk-launch /home/napkin/.local/share/applications/Celeste.desktop

[manic tinsel]

erm

maybe cd local share applications

and then try gtk-launch Celeste.desktop

[silver merlin]

you can ignore that

[copper bane]

🐌

it doesnt exist apparently

./Celeste is a mirage

[manic tinsel]

guh?

wait go back to documents/celeste

and show me the Celeste file

I think ts might be running relatively

[copper bane]

we're in the endgame gng we cannot be stuck trying to make a shortcut 💔

[manic tinsel]

yeah I think it's because ts is relative

I am not the bash scripter

omg what is it

is it like pwd??

[copper bane]

its only you n me against the world everyone else is dead

[manic tinsel]

maybe we just do it directly

like fuck it

put dotnet /home/napkin/Documents/celeste/Celeste.dll --disable-splash in the Celeste.desktop

[copper bane]

what line tho

[manic tinsel]

exec

[copper bane]

could not find the program "dotnet", it says

[manic tinsel]

gng are we fr

okay maybe

maybe we delete the Celeste.desktop for now

because this is technically still a workaround and we're supposed to get Piton

[copper bane]

we need to wake the gng up bro

[manic tinsel]

nah

I think we just leave it like this for now

My guess is that the .desktop file doesn't read your .bashrc

the .bashrc is where Snip told your switch where dotnet lies

anyways—put your StrawberryJam2021.zip into Documents/celeste/Mods, and we are done all legally required steps

[copper bane]

i'll have to manually download every single mod i have

yeah im not doing that shit im transferring it over from my pc
will that work

[silver merlin]

I think it should

[manic tinsel]

no you don't

I mean

you can download Strawberry Jam

and it will download your dependencies

[copper bane]

yeah but the other ones

[manic tinsel]

but you can transfer your mods yes

as well as your save files

those go in /home/napkin/.local/share/Celeste/Saves

[copper bane]

[copper bane]

its taking so much ram

help

it CLOSED because it took that much memory

[manic tinsel]

oh no.

did it crash with outofmemoryexception

sigh

this is where olympus would've helped/

I suppose you can enable the mods you need on your computer, then transfer the blacklist.txt to your switch

[copper bane]

IT LOADED nvm then

it loaded

with a whoooolllleee lotta warnings

BUT IT LOADED

IT WORKS

and it doesnt run like absolute shit

[manic tinsel]

celebratory photo?

[copper bane]

hold on

please don't crash please don't crash please don't crash

advanced lobby runs like shit

help

[manic tinsel]

I'm supposed to be doing homework right now but would you like to hop on cnet a while

[manic tinsel]

YEAAHH

[copper bane]

huh whar

[manic tinsel]

celestenet

multiplayer but not really

[copper bane]

whats tha OH

ive never tried it before

its depressing not having any sound but WHATEVER IT WORKS ill listen to music in the bg or something until someone figures sound

respawning is pain

takes like 3 secs to load

💔

[manic tinsel]

that's odd

wait

I actually remember having that problem on KDE as well

[copper bane]

yeah the whole thing runs kinda badly

[manic tinsel]

are you on wayland or x11

do a cheeky inxi -G

[copper bane]

whar

[manic tinsel]

in your terminal

[copper bane]

oh shit i cant ctrl c or else game crashes okay

[manic tinsel]

yeah thats x11

I have to go away for the day 💔

but I will be back tomorow to answer any questions

see u!

[copper bane]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

goobye

[silver merlin]

well switch is quite underpowered

[copper bane]

celeste runs fine in the cartridge version....

[silver merlin]

mods would need extra power for extra stuffs

[copper bane]

oh

any ways to make game run better?

@silver merlin ¿?

[silver merlin]

overclock

[copper bane]

how do that

[mystic umbra]

hugee ggs!!

[copper bane]

is this truly it gng.....?

does the journey end here......???

[wind galleon]

Need 4k messages first

[copper bane]

how can i overclock my system then

because game runs like shit
at most it gets like 45 fps

it's pretty stable but even vanilla levels don't run really well

https://wiki.switchroot.org/wiki/linux/linux-features#nvidia-power-profile-applet-nvpmodel

there's this page but i don't understand it

[copper bane]

alright i learned how to overclock my cpu and my gpu but i don't know how to overclock my ram

which i desperately need

[manic tinsel]

✨swap✨

[copper bane]

what

[manic tinsel]

so

ever wonder how you’re able to “hibernate” your computer and start it up again with all of your work intact?

this probably only applies for laptops but

swap space is where your ram goes when you hibernate it

it basically savestates your computer to a nice little file on your disk

then when you power it back on it loads the file back into your ram

in michelsoft binbows, this is called a pagefile

linux calls it a swap space

swap can also be used for “virtual” ram, by using parts of your disk space as ram

but it’s much too early in the morning for me to be figuring all this out

oh but also

your disk is much slower than your ram

I also don’t know how it decides what to load into swap and what to keep in ram

at this point we can also work on things like Piton and Olympus and other optional features

[copper bane]

that'd be cool

but im in school

[copper bane]

i can send my switch to sleep and power it back on with everything intact

heck, shutting it off does that too

[copper bane]

actually no i was wrong and stupid i just remembered

[copper bane]

im still curious as to if fmod_fix.so in the celeste arm 64 will work

[manic tinsel]

I read the code and think… maybe?

Like

I don’t get it really

it updates the method signature that r58 mentions

which is good

but aren’t there also renames??

where do they go

wait.

I understand it now

the renamed methods aren’t used in vanilla so they can just fuck off

@upper hound looking at Luna’s fork now, it’s been doing the translation layer in C#. wouldn’t it be infinitely easier to just straight up do it in C? or is that bad practice for Everest/MonoMod in general

[upper hound]

how would it be easier

the c# part of fmod is itself a translation layer

[manic tinsel]

there’s a c# part???

[upper hound]

yes

what do you think the FMOD namespace is for

[manic tinsel]

wait I’m confused
I thought we would be making like a wrapper
a lib with the methods of fmod1 that just calls fmod2

[upper hound]

im asking how do you think making a c wrapper would be easier

we already have a c# wrapper

vanilla celeste does

[manic tinsel]

that actually makes more sense

[upper hound]

in fact the wrapper is publicly available

[manic tinsel]

I don’t know why my brain didn’t go there

[manic tinsel]

oh so everything’s already implemented

[upper hound]

this is the fmod 1 c# bindings

[manic tinsel]

we just have to change what it points to no?

[upper hound]

pretty much

assuming all signatures and struct layouts are the same

[manic tinsel]

oh. That sounds significantly easier

[manic tinsel]

three signature changes, and also we have to spoof the version of fmod returned

I can get cracking on this

@sick plover can you link the changelog you mentioned?

[upper hound]

i mean spoofing the version is simple enough

also there's 2 more .cs source files

[manic tinsel]

Snip while you’re here

what is the difference between libfmod.so and libfmodstudio.so?

what are their functions?

[upper hound]

https://www.fmod.com/docs/2.03/api/welcome.html

[copper bane]

nice

[manic tinsel]

ty