I'm trying to install the latest Everest but unfortunately it seems the game won't start from Steam after installing it- when I click the button, it starts launching and then immediately closes. I was on the stable version a while ago, and it was able to launch from there then. Launching from Olympus isn't working, but it wasn't working earlier either since I'm on the flatpak version of steam. I'm on Arch Linux, and my .NET install comes from the official repository. I've added my log-sharp here, but I don't think the game is logging anything before it closes. Help would be appreciated!
#Issue with installing Everest 4248
abstract slate
tender sun
send your log.txt from the celeste installation folder
actually hold on
Starting Celeste process: /home/jasmine/.var/app/com.valvesoftware.Steam/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Celeste/Celeste (without args)
sh: line 1: /home/jasmine/.steam/root/steam.sh: No such file or directory
i'm not familiar with steam inxalls on linux but this shouldn't be happening
abstract slate
yeah i have the flatpak install so i don't have a .steam
but i was told it was fine since launching from steam would launch everest anyway, and that worked on the stable version
tender sun
hmm
abstract slate
the log.txt has a modification date of before i installed the latest version so i don't think it's useful
tender sun
@twilit drift @ivory falcon you two worked on the flatpak install right
ivory falcon
more like @ Atom, im clueless on flatpak specific stuff
but they have steam on flatpak, not olympus, idk how supported is that
if i had to guess they should use olympus on flatpak because iirc that one has fixes for launching steam on flatpak too
abstract slate
yeah I can try that
ivory falcon
dunno if olympus flatpak is public yet tho
tender sun
yeah i have the flatpak install so i don't have a .steam
i interpreted that as an olympus flatpak
@twin wave does olympus support steam from flatpak?
ivory falcon
(omfg they should really allow us to react to messages on #953393160464269402 its so annoying)
anyways 
tender sun
(omfg they should really allow us to react to messages on <#953393160464269402> ...
become modding helper 
twilit drift
if i had to guess they should use olympus on flatpak because iirc that one has f...
well not yet 
ivory falcon
become modding helper <:happylandeline:946115555805503519>
true imo imo @ celestecord_mods make me a modding helper pweaseeeee 
twilit drift
could you try xdg-open steam://run/504230 after installing everest and clicking the big everest button (even if it doesnt launch it) ?
abstract slate
yeah, i have everest installed already so would I just run that then?
twilit drift
Yup, it may work
abstract slate
ah, big everest button
twilit drift
It shouldn't launch your game but after this you may try xdg-open steam://run/504230
abstract slate
i see this
twilit drift
it doesn't launch steam (and celeste) ?
abstract slate
I tried closing steam first and uh, I see this
which is odd because I do have the .NET runtime installed
abstract slate
oh, that would probably do it, wouldn't it
twilit drift
let me check the name
ivory falcon
maybe you should add the net runtime flatpak as a dependency to olympus flatpak, if its not too heavy @twilit drift
twilit drift
i see this
btw did you update, your steam flatpak ? you should be on 23.08 instead of 22.08
twilit drift
oh I have not
Could you try flatpak install org.freedesktop.Sdk.Extension.dotnet7/x86_64/23.08 after this and see if it works
twilit drift
maybe you should add the net runtime flatpak as a dependency to olympus flatpak,...
The NET runtimes adds 226 Mbytes of download, I don't know if it should be the default
ivory falcon
yeah that what i thought
net is choooonk
then forget it or maybe patch olympus to auto download it if you wanna go fancy
twilit drift
But if after this it works we may update the wiki to explain how to get modded celeste working on flatpak (+ maybe custom prompt on Olympus if the flatpak path is detected 
)
twilit drift
then forget it or maybe patch olympus to auto download it if you wanna go fancy
I wouldn't like if a program escaped the flatpak sandbox to install a flatpak package 😆 (However we could theorically do it since we already have the flatpak-wrapper.sh)
I think putting a copy pasta on how to do it may do the trick
ivory falcon
just run make it install it on a flatpak too
popax already hinted me the pains of core with the net runtime, i'll have to implement installing it on olympus.fna for everest core builds on ubuntu 0_0
twilit drift
Yup but that would require running it inside the steam flatpak since olympus flatpak only have access to its files + home dir (except .var directory)
ivory falcon
oh i mean just do flatpak install ... in olympus code
twilit drift
Well it wouldn't work since flatpak install is a host command
ivory falcon
dang
twilit drift
However the flatpak-wrapper.sh transform the command into flatpak-spawn --host flatpak install NET.whatever which make it run as a host command but also make it escape the sandbox (a bit like what we did before when launching celeste or such)
ivory falcon
so that i think is the easiest,
but not the cleanest since the user has no control over anything
twilit drift
yup, no perfect solutions
I don't think saying to paste a command would be too much actually, we're on linux and it's a pretty easy command
abstract slate
Could you try `flatpak install org.freedesktop.Sdk.Extension.dotnet7/x86_64/23.0...
just tried this (after updating all packages), and no dice :(
I still get the same error
twilit drift
Damn
I may have an idea but it would require extensive testing I may do it on my own flatpak installation and keep you updated
twilit drift
You're welcome, I'm sorry that we couldn't make it work directly tho
abstract slate
for what it's worth, i managed to get it "working" by installing a portable non-flatpak version of steam
not a great solution, but at least it launches now haha
twilit drift
Oh amazing ! I will soon publish the Olympus flatpak and I may take a look to the steam flatpak to make it work
abstract slate
that would be awesome!
twilit drift
@abstract slate If you have Flatseal could you try setting up those two environments variable ?
PATH=/app/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/lib/sdk/dotnet7/bin
DOTNET_ROOT=/usr/lib/sdk/dotnet7
or using the following command but I would recommand Flatseal to tinker with flatpaks it's usually easier flatpak override --env VARIABLE=VALUE com.visualstudio.code
twilit drift
i'll report back when i have a chance to do it
thanks ! P.S: feel free to ping me when you tested
abstract slate
@twilit drift just tested, still the same error :(
twilit drift
@ivory falcon just thought of it isn’t Everest looking for mono under linux ?
ivory falcon
no
it uses this thing https://github.com/flibitijibibo/MonoKickstart
basically a bundled mono
so no worries about that
twilit drift
Hmm why would it search for dotnet then
twilit drift
So it uses dotnet ?
ivory falcon
yeah
twilit drift
Oh so the latest stable would work indeed ?
ivory falcon
iirc it uses the runtime dependent setup instead of the standalone one
ivory falcon
Oh so the latest stable would work indeed ?
it should
twilit drift
Because I’m pretty sure I don’t have dotnet on my computer
twilit drift
it should
Damn
@abstract slate Could you try installing the latest stable Everest version instead ?
ivory falcon
Because I’m pretty sure I don’t have dotnet on my computer
run dotnet --list-runtimes to see
abstract slate
yeah stable everest works for me
twilit drift
On flatpak ?
twilit drift
everest (.net) core versions do not use mono
That will probably be an issue once it hits stable
ivory falcon
on windows the os itself handles informing the user, on linux it prints to stdout a message i think?
twilit drift
Depends if you launch it through the shortcut probably just crash in front of you (or doesn’t start)
ivory falcon
yeah it will look like it doesn't launch, so probably that is the launcher's task to make sure the user is informed
twilit drift
I still wonder why it doesn’t work inside the steam flatpak with the dotnet extension
Because I verified from a shell inside my Olympus flatpak and dotnet binaries are accessible (without some magic trick)
ivory falcon
ltrace it to see where tries to find the .net runtime
twilit drift
So it should be ltrace xdg-open steam://run/504230
Either that or directly from the flatpak shell ltrace /to/celeste/bin
ivory falcon
the latter
don't think xdg-open will launch celeste as its child so ltrace will just stop when xdg does
twilit drift
Yea you’re right
twilit drift
run `dotnet --list-runtimes` to see
Yea unknown command on my end
this is going to cause issues on the steam deck 
twilit drift
Just thought of something too on flatpak, could you try adding this env ?
in the steam launch command for celeste LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/sdk/dotnet7/lib %command%
hopefully doesn't override anything | because according to https://github.com/flathub/org.freedesktop.Sdk.Extension.dotnet7 it may be needed
twilit drift
just tested and it doesn't work
@ivory falcon
not sure why it doesn't find the .NET runtime
Hehe
twilit drift
well pretty hacky Idk how to make it run on steam now 
but it's already some progression
ivory falcon
Hehe <:hyperfrogeline:908168129270652928>
does that mean you managed to make it work? with the LD_LIBRARY_PATH env var?
on my system, runtimes are listed under /usr/share/dotnet/... not in /usr/lib/... maybe thats the issue?
twilit drift
does that mean you managed to make it work? with the `LD_LIBRARY_PATH` env var?
Yup ! I was helped because there’s an enable.sh which exports 3 env variables, PATH, DOTNET_ROOT and LD_LIBRARY_PATH
This did the trick to run miniinstaller inside the Olympus flatpak but I couldn’t make it work with the same strategy inside the steam flatpak 🥲
ivory falcon
cool! does that mean you can release it now?
twilit drift
cool! does that mean you can release it now?
The Olympus flatpak ?
ivory falcon
yeah
twilit drift
The Olympus flatpak is pretty much ready for normal use like Everest stable and beta, with loenn working (might try ahorn later on)
For the core since it needs another runtime + adding env var I might do a PR to make it compatible later
ivory falcon
oh i see, cool
twilit drift
Since I can’t make core work on steam flatpak now it’s a bit weird since you would need system wide + dotnet7 flatpak because the installation process would work from the flatpak but not from the system-wide if core runtime isn’t there
ivory falcon
oh yeah i see
twilit drift
An end goal could be to be able to run a non drm Celeste game directly inside the flatpak maybe - would totally erase the issue of runtimes libs and such
Because for steam deck users once core goes stable there will be no possibility for them to play modded Celeste
A workaround would be to disable the read only file system and install dotnet but the installation would vanish after the next steam update 
ivory falcon
yeah that would be kind of a pain
atleast they would still have the option of manually installing olympus
twilit drift
Yup
- maybe the Everest team will keep a « legacy » version which doesn’t require core (but logically with no more support and less features)
twin wave
Stable versions never expire ^^'
twilit drift
Yup but core will hit stable and it may be great to have the latest non core stable labeled as something else
ivory falcon
Stable versions never expire ^^'
yeah, and you have to make sure that your everest versions yaml always keeps at least one legacy version on it
ivory falcon
oh, since it only went down to 3000 (not to something like 100) i assumed the too old ones dont show up there
twilit drift
Btw what are the new features of the core version ? + the diff between XNA and FNA, I’m kinda new to the Celeste modding community so everyone talk about it in dev but I don’t know the advantages and the diff
I only know that dotnet is now required
twin wave
oh, since it only went down to 3000 (not to something like 100) i assumed the to...
Stables come from GitHub releases, but those weren't a thing for quite a while 
Stables used to come from Azure like the rest