Mirror Reflection not working | Mt. Celeste Climbing Association | Page 1

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 6:17 AM

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There are actually two problems
First one is the fact that the reflection on the mirrors appear as the missing texture icon.
The second is that Only some of the mirrors I have placed/place appear in celeste, but work fine in lönn.

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(images showcase the second problem)

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video showcases the first

upbeat aspen Dec 20, 2022, 6:19 AM

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Where are your mirror masks and where are the actual decal pngs?

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 6:20 AM

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the decals are here

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and..

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the mirrormasks here

upbeat aspen Dec 20, 2022, 6:21 AM

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Yeah, your mirrormask folder structure needs to mirror (pun noticed but unavoidable) the folder structure for your decals

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 6:21 AM

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hyperfrogeline

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pun

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detected

upbeat aspen Dec 20, 2022, 6:21 AM

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So they need to be in the subfolder AquesAquir/Deserted_Wastelands

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 6:21 AM

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oke

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3celine

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gonna try again

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First problem fixed at least!

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wait, nvm

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maybe

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maybe both have been fixed

upbeat aspen Dec 20, 2022, 6:26 AM

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What was the second issue, I couldn't tell from your screenshots

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 6:27 AM

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umm, in lonn you can see that the middle of the tubes (and hovering above the ground) there is a slight darkened tone. but then in game, I can only see the ones hovering in the air

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its actually a layering issue

upbeat aspen Dec 20, 2022, 6:28 AM

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I see 3 tubes in loenn and 3 tubes in Celeste?

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 6:28 AM

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ye

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imma show a vid

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well, bc of obs being funny and showing a black screen when I transition windows, ill explain it here

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basically in lonn the mirror assets appear above the behind wall

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but in game they are actually behind it for some reason

upbeat aspen Dec 20, 2022, 6:31 AM

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I'll take your word for it

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 6:31 AM

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umm, I send a better one

upbeat aspen Dec 20, 2022, 6:31 AM

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It sounded like you fixed it though?

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Or is this still an issue

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 6:33 AM

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its still an issue I guess yeah

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this might help see it a bit better

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at the start I show that you can see the glass in lonn (hovered over them with my mouse)

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then I went to celeste showing that they didn't appear in game

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after that I went back to loenn adnd removed the back wall (at the same time somehow removing the mirrors in loenn too?)

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but then in game everything looks fine

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so for some reason the layers look different in lonn then in celeste (unless I am stupid)

upbeat aspen Dec 20, 2022, 6:35 AM

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So you think the issue is just that the back wall is in front of the mirror?

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 6:36 AM

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they souldn't be

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I copy and pasted them several times

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and them why do tehy look like they are at the top in lonn?

upbeat aspen Dec 20, 2022, 6:36 AM

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ember oak so for some reason the layers look different in lonn then in celeste (unless I a...

I wouldn't be completely shocked if that was the case. You can try adjusting the depth in the DecalRegistry

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 6:36 AM

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upbeat aspen So you think the issue is just that the back wall is in front of the mirror?

yeah, thats not the problem, just tested (if you want I can show a vid)

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 6:37 AM

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upbeat aspen I wouldn't be completely shocked if that was the case. You can try adjusting the...

how so?

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I cant see any depth in here?

upbeat aspen Dec 20, 2022, 6:38 AM

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Add a thing before or after the <mirror /> tag in your xml saying <depth value="some value, idk try 100" />

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 6:39 AM

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ok

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gonna try this

upbeat aspen Dec 20, 2022, 6:40 AM

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It should put your glass decals in front of all the others

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 6:41 AM

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mhm

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works

upbeat aspen Dec 20, 2022, 6:50 AM

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Is everything fixed then?

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 6:51 AM

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Yeah :D

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Thanks for helping maddyhug

mint drift Dec 20, 2022, 7:02 AM

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ember oak well, bc of obs being funny and showing a black screen when I transition windows...

the giant clueless in the rooms is killing me

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 7:02 AM

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do be like that cluelesseline

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 8:35 AM

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wait nvm

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its not fixed

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 8:35 AM

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ember oak works

as seen in this image, now the reflection doesn't work

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widegladeline1 widegladeline2 widegladeline3

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@upbeat aspen you should probably un tag this

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I'll try a few possible fixes now

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(I removed the line of depth line of code)

Nope, although the mirror were placed after the background thing, they appear in the background
(atleast the mirrors work now though)

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imma try with FG mirrors

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Even FG mirrors are behind a previously placed BG background destareline !

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is this because they are semi transparent?

lean jay Dec 20, 2022, 10:53 AM

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ember oak (I removed the line of depth line of code) Nope, although the mirror were plac...

make the depth in the xml like 9000

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just found this

// when making a decal mirrory:
private void MakeMirror(string path, bool keepOffsetsClose) {
  // make it further away? for some reason?
  Depth = 9500;
  // some other stuff also
  ...

why it do that?

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 10:57 AM

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Umm, can try later... (Australia moment)

lean jay Dec 20, 2022, 10:57 AM

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anyway you can make it closer by setting a lower depth value, and 9000 is what most bgdecals use

slow gust Dec 20, 2022, 5:23 PM

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is this some wacky vanilla compat thing lmao

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 9:33 PM

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lean jay just found this ```cs // when making a decal mirrory: private void MakeMirror(st...

Where do I put this in the xml?
I am guessing after mirror line

lean jay Dec 20, 2022, 9:34 PM

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ember oak Where do I put this in the xml? I am guessing after mirror line

put <depth value="9000" /> after each <mirror />

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 9:34 PM

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thats it?

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well, imma try it now

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doesn't work

📎 DecalRegistry.xml

lean jay Dec 20, 2022, 9:39 PM

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try 8990

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 9:39 PM

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oke

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nope

📎 DecalRegistry.xml

lean jay Dec 20, 2022, 10:07 PM

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maybe the reflection is rendering behind the other decals?

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 10:22 PM

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maybe?

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how do we fix that

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it works without the background still atleast...

lean jay Dec 20, 2022, 10:36 PM

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yea i think the reflection is rendering behind the decals. not sure if that's fixable

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 10:36 PM

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so... I can't have a background behind the mirrors?

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that sucks

lean jay Dec 20, 2022, 10:38 PM

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you could move the other decals back so their depth is greater than 9490, which is where the reflections are fixed at
or you could use a change depth trigger to move the MirrorSurfaces entity forwards to have a depth of around 8990

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 10:41 PM

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umm, so do I need to add the background assets to the .xml file?

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and then in game use a trigger to move the depth of the mirrors to be higher?

lean jay Dec 20, 2022, 10:42 PM

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you can do either, you don't have to do both

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 10:43 PM

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oh

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oke

lean jay Dec 20, 2022, 10:43 PM

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i'd recommend the change depth trigger

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 10:43 PM

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yeah, thats what I thought

lean jay Dec 20, 2022, 10:43 PM

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Crystalline Helper has an edit depth trigger, hopefully it supports this

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the potential problem is that the MirrorSurfaces is special, there's only one per map and i think it's always at 0, 0

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 10:45 PM

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what do I put in this box?

lean jay Dec 20, 2022, 10:47 PM

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just 8990

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 10:47 PM

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oh, oke

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I feel like the 'effect on entities' box has the wrong thing in it (as in it need to be structured differently). Did I get it correct?

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(also its not working)

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lean jay Dec 20, 2022, 10:51 PM

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ember oak I feel like the 'effect on entities' box has the wrong thing in it (as in it nee...

set X = -8, Y = -8, Width = 16, Height = 16, Entities to Affect = MirrorSurfaces

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 10:52 PM

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nope

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wait

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nvm

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I am yet to enter the trigger facepalmeline

lean jay Dec 20, 2022, 10:54 PM

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it's not one of the triggers you have to enter
i guess it doesn't work on MirrorSurfaces catplant

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 10:56 PM

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(just to show what is happening on my end)

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it just disappears (the trigger)

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so then what?

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or do we just say its impossible (not counting absurd methods that would take far too much time compared to the result)

lean jay Dec 20, 2022, 11:03 PM

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ember oak it just disappears (the trigger)

yea it moves far away, to around 0, 0
maybe try with Celeste.MirrorSurfaces?

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 11:03 PM

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k

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nope

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lean jay Dec 20, 2022, 11:05 PM

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it might not be possible without further shenanigans

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 11:05 PM

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bigsadeline

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do we just mark this as resolved?

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its not really tho

lean jay Dec 20, 2022, 11:08 PM

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it's not resolved so i'm not going to mark it resolved yet

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i'll have a look

ember oak Dec 20, 2022, 11:57 PM

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mhm

slow gust Dec 21, 2022, 12:11 AM

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decal registry attrs are processed in xml order right?

ember oak Dec 21, 2022, 12:12 AM

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?

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oh yeah, ill just share the xml real fast

slow gust Dec 21, 2022, 12:12 AM

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that's more of a question for microlith

ember oak Dec 21, 2022, 12:12 AM

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📎 DecalRegistry.xml

ember oak Dec 21, 2022, 12:12 AM

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slow gust that's more of a question for microlith

so I thought

lean jay Dec 21, 2022, 12:18 AM

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slow gust decal registry attrs _are_ processed in xml order right?

pretty sure they are, but the issue here is that the decal registry can control the decal's depth but not the reflection's, which is a different entity

slow gust Dec 21, 2022, 12:21 AM

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oh right I keep confusing myself whoops

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looks like change depth trigger only hits collidable things despaireline

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