offtopic-discussion

[rough hollow]

^ Great Jagras

great jagras refuses to mow his lawn

[solemn spoke]

< great maccao

[rough hollow]

its so overgrown its even got trees in it

truly shameful

capcom making a better forest than the isle

yes

also the monsters are kinda cooler as well in some regards than isle animals

[soft nacelle]

Monsters vs animals

[rough hollow]

probably my least favorite area in world, however it actually looks really nice for a forest

[soft nacelle]

Let's make tgis a movie

[rough hollow]

MH has some nice ish environments tbh

[solemn spoke]

tbh i wish the isle went the monster hunter route and just made completely fictional playables (obviously with dinosaur inspiration at the forefront)

[rough hollow]

ye

[soft nacelle]

It should play like monster hunter

[rough hollow]

alien like dinosaurs are so much better than whatever the isle is going for

[solemn spoke]

im gonna stop you right there

[soft nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/sticker-აბაჰე-გაგვიმარჯოს-გილოცავ-ქართული-gif-13808366

[rough hollow]

more fictional animals would be appreciated, would honestly die for stuff like raptorial oviraptorosaurs and whatnot

the isle has this really weird inconsistency where the dinosaurs are either somewhat grounded to reality or just plane alien like which is weird

[solemn spoke]

i want to play as the punchy kicky kangaroo raptor pls

[rough hollow]

would just prefer alien like dinosaurs since this is a horror game after all

what about straight up aliens

[soft nacelle]

Stick to a style please

[rough hollow]

wayne barlowe time

[solemn spoke]

more grounded than the strains

[rough hollow]

Unironically

big giant yellow iguana makes more sense

jagras is pretty cool tbh imo

like a giant retrosaur-like iguana is overall a cool concept

[solemn spoke]

jagras is a good starting monster, its weak but has a pretty varied moveset, also the eating aptonoths whole thing is cool

[rough hollow]

i find the eating prey whole a bit eh, although seeing how MH is kinda exaggerated with physics and such its not a huge deal

Monster hunter is made by Japanese people of course it would do that

[solemn spoke]

fun fact this monster in its latest appearance only had 5 attacks and not a single one involved the use of its claws

[rough hollow]

damn

[solemn spoke]

well at least the claws on the hands

[rough hollow]

on the topic of velociprey/drome it appears to be coming back in that rise expansion

[solemn spoke]

well a small monster doesnt necessarily mean a larger monster is coming back

[rough hollow]

?

they're basically the same thing except one is larger, hence why I'm synonymising them

[solemn spoke]

i mean that just because velociprey is in sunbreak doesnt mean velocidrome will appear

[rough hollow]

that is a fair point, yes

[solemn spoke]

thankfully they didn't pull that shit on hermitaur cause I wouldve been pissed

based crab

[rough hollow]

rise velociprey seems to look sorta nice. The fact that it has a preposterous amount of fingers is slightly bothering although thats more of a thing inherent to the design I guess

also I have a question. Is trying to play MH on a keyboard pointless?

[solemn spoke]

rise and world are on pc so i think its possible, i just prefer to use a controller tho

[rough hollow]

did they ever add lagi in rise

at least the dlc

[solemn spoke]

no, they even confirmed that lagi wont be in sunbreak, i personally think they are saving it for mh 6 as a huge reveal and the return of underwater combat

[rough hollow]

I know they are on steam, its just that is it pointless to play it on a keyboard

because according to someone on another server they said its like (metaphorically) shooting yourself in the foot

Playing monster hunter on keyboard is an actual nightmare

it’s like playing dark souls with a usb steering wheel

[soft lily]

Jagras is one forgettable motherfucker

Most boring monster ever

[solemn spoke]

i agree however

bulldrome

[soft lily]

Bulldrome is atleast funny

Large boar that run

[rough hollow]

Jagras is cool fuck you snacks!!!!

[soft lily]

No fuck you!!! Jagras is a stupid asshole monster

[soft nacelle]

Snakcs always having the

[soft lily]

Jagras more like JagASS

[soft nacelle]

Who is jagras

[soft lily]

Exactly

Snacks claims another victory online

[soft nacelle]

Oh him

He is like the only monster other then that rex dude I know of

I do not play monster hunter

[slim stratus]

A lot of worlds drome esc lads sucked

[soft lily]

Very half and half

Some are rad, some are lame, mostly the low tiers

[solemn spoke]

world only had 2 greats/dromes girros and jagras

unless you guys mean kulu and tzitzi as well

[soft lily]

I do yeah

[rough hollow]

Hmm ok I see

why did people make controllers to play games with and have games meant for use with controllers

or a better question, why did someone turn technology used for doing normal everyday tasks (computers with keyboards) into a means of playing games

[slim stratus]

I do, since raptorial bird wyvern, and they also sucked

One was just dodo macco pretty much, and the other was generic raptor with stuns

[solemn spoke]

tzitzi yes, i thought kulu was fine tho, especially in master rank when they gave it different rocks

[rough hollow]

Either way I hate playing with controllers because I don't use them often and I forget how to use them

[soft lily]

Because you don't need a whole keyboard to play most games

[rough hollow]

And they're fiddly and terrible

[soft lily]

They're better for some games. KBM is better for others

[soft lily]

Glad I bought this on pc

Just hope it's on par with iceborne

[solemn spoke]

still wild that the espinas and gore leak was real

[soft lily]

Gore my man

Means shagaru is in too

[solemn spoke]

it is

[slim stratus]

I’m more hyped for espinas over anything else

Because that opens Pandora’s box right there

[solemn spoke]

daimyo got me the most hyped cause it was the only monster revealed not on that leak and im glad they didn't pull a base rise and leave the small hermitaurs fatherless

[soft lily]

We've already had a couple of Frontier monsters come in with no followup before

Mr Hypnocatrice and Lavasioth

[solemn spoke]

hypnocatrice and lavasioth were developed in tandem between the mainline devs and frontier devs, espinas is the only real frontier original creation and addition to make it to mainline

[rough hollow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/842831163160264717/987385734254170173/IMG_3100.jpg

[soft lily]

Very cool

[rough hollow]

currently playing clash of clans

[solemn spoke]

what town hall

[slim stratus]

One thing that’s also neat about espinas

He is the first monster to do 2 debuffs with one attack

His fire balls do fire blight, poison and para

[rough hollow]

3

im trying to get to 4, although I did the sorry mistake of trying to get a barracks to lvl 4 and i now have to wait like an hour so RIP

[prime crow]

@deft saddle concerning pot, yes they did, they had a video on their youtube about it, were they kinda brush over it, but you can see the whole store in the video, and then they released armarga right after

[deft saddle]

Oh ye I saw amarga. Joined as one on the new map, saw I spawned on a tiny island next to the mainland and couldn't be bothered to swim so I ALT F4ed lmao

[prime crow]

yeah, in all honesty i have no respect for microtransaction stuff im waiting to see what happens with it cause its just the store now but with the grindy nature of the game and the premium currency it seems set up for some bullshit

[slim stratus]

Cant wait for the classic “pay $40 to level up 50 levels and some exclusive skins!”

[deft saddle]

@inner bronze said its for mobile users mainly

[tepid jay]

i lost a significant amount of trust in them after the crypto stuff

[inner bronze]

right now yes.

if you own the game you can completely ignore it - who's to say what they could do with it in the future though.

[tepid jay]

the premium currency is also available for purchase on PC, so that has me worried

[inner bronze]

right, but there's nothing to use it on if you own the full game.

probably setting something up for future microtransactions, but we'll see.

[prime crow]

my worst prediction for it is paid growth

[tepid jay]

[prime crow]

but thats just a prediction

[slim stratus]

All mmos do paid levels

[tepid jay]

i can kinda see that

[slim stratus]

And pot says it’s an mmo

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[prime crow]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

[rough hollow]

Pot fans upon realizing that nobody wants to grow a campto for 12 hours straight doing boring shit fuck quests that give you a percent of progress

[slim stratus]

Pot devs in the future:

We will give you easy growth for!

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-looney-tunes-cash-money-counting-money-gif-17544086

[rough hollow]

Pot is actually worse than bob and it’s sad

[prime crow]

i legit switched to bob for my cringe walking sim needs

[slim stratus]

At least Bob is Insane

Pot is just legacy, but somehow worse

[prime crow]

pot only got worse after they started putting in their poorly thought out mechanics

[slim stratus]

As much as Bob is crack coked up

[prime crow]

they added diets and then chopped up diets to make more "abilities" cause the first iteration of abilities was so fucking skeletal

[slim stratus]

At least it’s fun in a “wtf this is so stupid” way

I can’t name another game where mosas can reach orbit, or where a megaraptor can pull Naruto shit

[prime crow]

the isle is like a nice steak dinner that needs a few more sides, pot is cotton candy, looks like alot but isnt, and bob is like one of those instagram deserts that no one could actually eat

that reminds me

iron i made a flamingo skin for tropeo wanna see? (im gonna post it anyway)

[honest dune]

velo using apatos as catapuls to jump from mountain to mountain

[rough hollow]

the isle is a chicken that thinks it is a t rex

[slim stratus]

That looks nice

A bit to pink but that’s just me, since I’m more of a drab lad

My tropes are either camo, seagull or penguin

Speaking of you can live just fine as fully aquatic trope

Don’t need to fly much other than life or death moments

[prime crow]

yeah ive been exploring tunnels as a trope, i like to know them to escape super aggro tropes

[slim stratus]

You max out aqua, nimble, the move for the spin and the one that increases your oxygen

[prime crow]

i tried my best to make the pink feel more natural, its actually extremely hard to work with flamingo pink stuff cause if you do it wrong itll look either super drap or super over the top

[slim stratus]

And if needed out of element

[rough hollow]

self reply

[prime crow]

oooh i dont think i speced into nimble yet

[slim stratus]

Nimble I’m pretty sure helps turning

[prime crow]

ill try that out later today

ive noticed that i can do the weird wing rotatey thing underwater anymore do u have to max out that ability to do it now?

[slim stratus]

The spin?

[prime crow]

yeah

[slim stratus]

Ye in water that’s replaced with a dash, like what elasmo has

[prime crow]

ill check that out later, i gotta go i need to take care of myself before i forget

nice to see you again!

[slim stratus]

Same

[rough hollow]

Ironlizard

[rough hollow]

ye

[rough hollow]

IronEspinas

IronCricket

I found the oviraptor in real life !!!

[prime crow]

yo ive been eating oviraptor eggs this whole time

[rough hollow]

Chikn

[rough hollow]

Jesser

Nut

[charred schooner]

happy flat fuck friday

[rough hollow]

How is this game still on the google play store

Its been there for more than a year now

Actually nvm

Its the goolge play store. What do i expect

[soft nacelle]

Has anyone actually played it

[spice zephyr]

The Isle

[full patrol]

@grizzled crescent I found it. Used the auto smooth then tried detailing it a little bit but only made it worse

[smoky mauve]

You sure this is offtopic crin?

[full patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

It's ok that it looks bad cause it's the first and only thing I've ever made in blendr

[shy silo]

sureee

[grizzled crescent]

HOLY SHIT YOU ACTUALLY FOUND IT.

It’s worse than I could ever imagine… ||I love it||

[void zinc]

No selfies.

[void zinc]

What did I just say. How dare you.

[prime crow]

@winged ridge look at my ugly pink apa

[winged ridge]

ITS CUUUTTEE!!!

https://youtu.be/5UtUqeNkRWo I don't have a pic of mine but the first clip of this is me and smeasel messing up an acro
I died a while after this but I have a bio apa now

[prime crow]

are you the white one or the striped one?

[winged ridge]

white lol

sorry I'm working

we should play together sometime tho

[prime crow]

its all good pidge its good to have ajob

yeah maybe you could show me show to fight stuff, im actually awful at it

[winged ridge]

hahhaa it's hard! I always forget my attacks

I vibe really well with apa tho

I have another friend who's new to bob combat as well, maybe smea and I could nest you both and you can duel to figure stuff out >:3c

[prime crow]

that sounds super fun

do you wanna see some other skins i made?

[winged ridge]

actually, I think you'd really like Noah! they're a fellow bird enthusiast

yes pls!

whats yr time zone btw..

[rough hollow]

Creep…

[prime crow]

EST

[prime crow]

says the guy who is BANNABLE!

[winged ridge]

WHATS YR TIMEZONE??

[rough hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-catcry-gif-19131995

[winged ridge]

oh OK ok I think yr the same as smea

[winged ridge]

bitch

[prime crow]

i might tweak coah's a bit but its been fun learning how to make the flamingo color palette work

[winged ridge]

wait I don't actually remember so don't quote

[prime crow]

i like that para looks like a naked mole rat

no worries pidge we will figure it out

[winged ridge]

PPPPEENNKKK

rsw chicken lookin ass

[prime crow]

legit that para looks like it has a condition

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-24874327

[winged ridge]

I wish I had my skins in my phone

I too have a pink velo somewhere

[prime crow]

ooo cant wait to see

im gonna make more rawchicken looking monstrosities

[winged ridge]

found an apa pic from before I reincarnated
the other pic is me as a coah and smeasels apa

bobs lighting infuriates me

that coah looks so washed out
bobs best lighting is at night lmfao

[echo frost]

why are you saying apa just say apato

[prime crow]

wow it looks great, the skin that is, bob lighting during day is super bright i couldnt take a pic of my apa until nightfall cause that dude is reflective

i like the calico look on the apa

[winged ridge]

thank you

[prime crow]

it also has like a pizza cheese vibe to it too but i think thats just cause im a hungry person

[winged ridge]

smeasel said I looked like the monsters inc monster in the beginning who was shaved down

[prime crow]

oh my god he has a point

[winged ridge]

[prime crow]

@toxic ledge look i made a megamingo (pick megaraptor)

still havent figured out the eyes

i spawned underwater i think the flooding is high but i cant tell for sure

[toxic ledge]

[prime crow]

def seems so

[toxic ledge]

isnt bobs megaraptor surprisingly good at swimming?

[digital sleet]

why are you playing boots of berry ville

[toxic ledge]

last i played, anyways

[prime crow]

not sure yet

[prime crow]

why does your mom love me more than you?

[prime crow]

wow they are just like me

[digital sleet]

[prime crow]

oh wow mega is a good swimmer

[toxic ledge]

gotta watch out for mosas and kronos now

despite being a good swimmer i doubt the megaraptor stands even a semblence of a fighting chance in the water

[rough hollow]

help

[prime crow]

i dont doubt at all

the models in bob are so much nicer when you got a good color palette on em

[upbeat horizon]

no

[winged ridge]

have you seen the lurdu remodel they're working on... it looks really cool ngl

[prime crow]

yeah i saw, i wanna play it so bad but its not out yet

i like the semi aquatic ones the best

[winged ridge]

yea!! they're just so versatile

fun to be a weird little dolphin cow lol

[prime crow]

yeah funky boiys

im working on a pink elasmo, i got two skins so far but i think im gonna aim for a third and see what happens

[lean chasm]

It’s fun to stay up at night, when the dilophosaur’s bite, when the sun is down and the moon is bright, I’m sure you have nothing to fear, we’re all night owl’s here

[lyric root]

hey any tech wiz out there got a question if i buy a 8gb ram and my laptop has a DDR4 8gb ram can i buy another DDR4 or does it needs to be SODIMM

[lean chasm]

THIS IS THE SOUND OF ME COMING TO THINE HOUSE, GOOD SIR

[barren bear]

yes

[rough hollow]

https://twitter.com/alectrosaur/status/1537929130649366528?s=21&t=0fQYJKUYDSWH13oO_Y6Nnw

Alec Zaborniak (@alectrosaur)

These Raúl Martín pieces for Jurassic World: Dominion make me so happy; his paleoart was incredibly influential to me as a kid and it’s super neat to see that he was involved with Dominion.

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Twitter · Jun 17, 2022, 10:44 PM

execs can make a lot of stuff change tbh

[prime crow]

https://tenor.com/view/pain-wojak-regret-misery-sad-gif-21921793

[rough hollow]

honestly this just makes me dislike universal even more

[prime crow]

the Jurassic franchise as been dragged thru the dirt so hard

[rough hollow]

also it is literally Steven Spielberg's fault that FK had sinoceratops

[prime crow]

i dont think we are ever going to get good paleo media from that franchise

[rough hollow]

it was going to be Pachyrhinosaurus with the nasal boss, but then Spielberg (who is or at least was an executive) decided to give it a horn to sell the "rhino" part better for whatever reason

and then it couldnt be recognised as pachyrhinosaurus by audiences and so they changed it to sinoceratops

[prime crow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/919023643533639791/image0.gif

[rough hollow]

his ideas on dinosaurs honestly aren't great. He is also the reason feathered dinosaurs only appear in Dominion

[lean chasm]

Where did the poem go-

[prime crow]

what we need is something with the design and effects of prehistoric planet and high quality writing

poem im sorry crazy what do you mean?

alright that melatonin is kicking in im going to bed

[rough hollow]

aight gn

[prime crow]

night!

[lean chasm]

My friend got a white cat recently… it’s name is Kuro

[barren bear]

and the San Diego scene in JP2

[rough hollow]

yeah that as well

I found the san diego scene somewhat fun, although it was fairly nonsensical

[cold jay]

Is day of dragons fun?

[rough hollow]

probably not

most creature survival games are kinda dull anyway

[lean chasm]

boy oh boy time to star a mc’ fricken war

[rough hollow]

i sorta like these remixes tbh

[feral stirrup]

I think the only thing that changed was the beat

[pseudo cave]

This sent chills down my spine

[feral stirrup]

No ping trying to sleep

[pseudo cave]

… then put your phone on silent? Rip

[rough hollow]

wake the fuck up @feral stirrup

[feral stirrup]

I have to get up early for my DND session.

So I have an alarm set

[pseudo cave]

My alarms go off when my phone is on silent… probably a different type of phone

[rough hollow]

SaoulZod

[lean chasm]

I wake up

I realize I have the biggest insult as a human

It’s not really offensive but it’s a good way to know how many people can say “dam you” without wanting to really kill you.

[wheat vapor]

dam?

DAMN it lad

[lean chasm]

Why hello falcon

[rough hollow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/966482596093657158/987682449532276766/IMG_20220617_172159.jpg

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/869203080623837185/987690123091144764/IMG_20220618_142007.jpg

[lean chasm]

Aaaaaaaah!! The sun at 6AM is like seeing discord on light mode!

[lean chasm]

Pretty

[wheat vapor]

We know each other?

Nah

Its weird how people call me by my nickname in chat

[lean chasm]

@pseudo cave it turns out I don’t have any pancake mix but don’t worry I live close to a store! I will be back and I will make pancakes!
determination
Also you can’t stop me now

[pseudo cave]

Lmaooo,

[lean chasm]

Not even kidding my determination to eat is real

I have it! Time to pancake

[wheat vapor]

Is it me or the song in the background says

🎧 help me 🎧

Give some change

[lean chasm]

Sorry I was at the store

@pseudo cave I’m done

I tried to make an owl head shaped pancake

🥲 not the best but I went outside, touched grass, got pancake mix at the store and made pancakes

[pseudo cave]

It is the best owl pancake

[lean chasm]

-w- don’t fluster me.. but thank you.

[uncut rose]

POE skill tree makes me want to kill myself

[rough hollow]

I played that game, opened up the skill tree, and immediately uninstalled

[void zinc]

It’s not so bad once you realize about 80% of it is travel nodes and the majority don’t affect your build.

[rough hollow]

I play clash of clans 💀 🤓 😎

who on earth

https://tenor.com/view/hog-rider-coc-clash-of-clans-gif-24053135

Ava

Yed

Yes avaceratops lammersi

yooo it's the funny spider

Bodega

[rough hollow]

I forgot the name of some cartoon with bugs in it

like they were pretty realistic models and they did random funny shit

[burnt mulch]

Fat pigeone

[burnt mulch]

He so ocky

[cunning token]

@old blaze drawing a cube does not suddenly give it depth that it does not have

[rose crow]

being a representation of one does not help your argument one single bit

I just want that to be stated

[lost jackal]

representation=/=real

[rose crow]

This, is a 2D object, drawn in 2 dimensions, it has no values, it is a 2D object

[gray forum]

animals are, by definition, made of cells, but if you draw a dog in a paper that doesn't put cells in your paper

a drawing of a cube isn't 3 dimensional

[cunning token]

Just because you can imagine a hypothetical cube based on the one in the picture does not mean the picture has real depth

[dense field]

why were we explaining this again ?

[lost jackal]

dude said quetz was bus sized

[gray forum]

rahm thinks a 2d drawing of a cube has three dimensions

[rose crow]

Here we have a projection of an actual 3D object, made in a program which has 3 dimensions. The lighting makes the object look like it is 3D but for you, it is still 2 dimensions

[old blaze]

The depth is represented

[cunning token]

No, it does not exist

[old blaze]

It does

[rose crow]

it isn't real

[old blaze]

What is real

[lost jackal]

if you measure it in a papel, it will be exactly 0

[cunning token]

wait here everybody, I need to go grab a ruler

[rose crow]

it is an artificial number you made up

please pick a logical hill to die on

[old blaze]

There's no such thing numbers are inherent

[gray forum]

a real dimension is one that can be measured rahm

[rose crow]

bro

[dense field]

self note: Dont argue with Rahm

[lost jackal]

dude

sure depth is represented, but its not there

[dense field]

night night everyone
have a nice one

[rose crow]

G'night fluff

[lost jackal]

if you see the depth in a cube drawing, it'll be the same depth as the paper

[lost jackal]

gn bro

[old blaze]

What does that even mean?

Where is the depth then?

[gray forum]

nowhere

[old blaze]

In your mind?

[lost jackal]

it means that if you draw a cube, the depth of it is represented, but not there

[old blaze]

The same place as the representation?

[gray forum]

yes!

[lost jackal]

nowhere, its just the depth of the paper, not the cube

[old blaze]

Yes you're getting it

[lost jackal]

precisely

[gray forum]

the meaning of a representation is that it is not real

[old blaze]

Okay okay we agree

[gray forum]

only in your mind

[old blaze]

So if the depth is in your mind and the representation is in your mind

[rose crow]

Depth exists in a three dimensional world, I don't understand why this is so difficult, it is impossible to have depth in a 2D world

[old blaze]

Then they exist

[lost jackal]

but if you had an actual cube that you could grab, it would have actual depth

[old blaze]

Regardless if the thing is an object or not it has properties that exist

[rose crow]

It's an ultimatum, you can't wiggle this shit

[lost jackal]

hell, even the paper you draw shit in has depth

[rose crow]

It has artificial properties that you made up for it

[old blaze]

No it isnt, that's the confusing part

[lost jackal]

the properties exist but do not apply to a 2 d object

[cunning token]

How do I measure depth, rahm?

[rose crow]

But it is

[cunning token]

Hand reveal, how do I measure the depth, please

[rose crow]

Please give us the formula to measure depth, it is impossible.

[old blaze]

A metal cube you can hold in your hand also has artifical properties made up for it by a person lol

[cunning token]

Rahm I'm desperate

[rose crow]

Alright????

[old blaze]

So what's the difference?!

[cunning token]

I won't be able to feed my family if you don't tell me how to measure the depth of the cube

[rose crow]

What do you mean what is the difference?

[old blaze]

Why does artifical properties matter to reality or not?

It has no bearing

A real or fake object can have artifical properties

[rose crow]

Because 2D is in a "lower" state of reality if that explains it to you

[old blaze]

But it isn't and that's what you're confused about

[rose crow]

You can't have an X, Y and Z angle in a 2D world

only 2 of those

[old blaze]

It isnt a lower state of reality it is the state of reality you live in compounded

[gray forum]

if depth exists in a 2d space, then you, a 3d animal, should be able to build a 4 dimensional object right now

can you?

[cunning token]

AM I DOING IT RIGHT, RAHM?!

[lost jackal]

a drawing is an a 2d space, the paper in which it exists is not

[old blaze]

You live in 1d, 2d and 3d, collectively they are 3d space

[gray forum]

like, go and take a picture of a 4 dimensional object

[rose crow]

Yes

[old blaze]

Bro it's a CUBE

[cunning token]

RAHM ANSWER ME

[gray forum]

how do you measure the depth rahm

[rose crow]

No, that's a ruler

[lost jackal]

it's a REPRESENTATION of one

[old blaze]

If you know 1 dimension you know them ALL

This is baby stuff

[cunning token]

Rahm rahm rahm rahm

[gray forum]

how do you measure it rahm

[cunning token]

How do I turn the cube so I can measure the side?????

[lost jackal]

does it have depth rahm?

[old blaze]

Just measure one side @cunning token

[lost jackal]

bruh

[gray forum]

how do you measure the depth rahm

[cunning token]

The cube is at an angle

[limber grove]

@lost jackal @cunning token @gray forum Enough

[old blaze]

And?

Measure the entire face

[rose crow]

I feel like Rahm is just doing this to fuck about

[lost jackal]

my bad

[old blaze]

Do some math

[rose crow]

no reason whatsoever

[lost jackal]

that's not what depth is i think

[gray forum]

it has been fun, admittedly

[old blaze]

No I'm trying to explain a different perspective to you

[old blaze]

You can figure it out though

[lost jackal]

honestly i'm starting to agree

[old blaze]

Depth is a measurement guys

It's a number

[cunning token]

It's math tho, there is no room in math for alternate perspectives because math is just objective calculation

[lost jackal]

and how do you measure it in a 2D space

[old blaze]

That's partially correct except if your perspective lacks all variables and you run the calculation you're objectively wrong. Now if you had a different perspective that included all the variables your equation would be objectively correct

[gray forum]

this; i can have the alternate perspective that 2+2 = 5, but it isn't

[cunning token]

I plug in my variables, I get something like 15 cm * 15 cm * 0 cm = 0 cm^3

[old blaze]

Math has many alternate perspectives

There's even debate that numbers 1-2 are meaningless

Only 3 and beyond matter

[lost jackal]

^

[cunning token]

Meaning the 2d image had no volume

[rose crow]

Just answer the one simple question "How do you measure depth in a 2D space"

Just, answer that

[old blaze]

By looking at in 3d

[cunning token]

This is absolutely disastrous

[gray forum]

lmao

[lost jackal]

how do you look at a drawing in 3D if it's a drawing

[rose crow]

Can you tell me the depth of this object

[cunning token]

[sage crater]

wat going on

[old blaze]

Optical illusions

[rose crow]

How about this one?

[old blaze]

Like a set of 3d glasses

[rose crow]

Can you tell me the depth of that object?

[lost jackal]

bro

[cunning token]

Maybe the depth is the photons?

[lost jackal]

i'm bringing 3d glasses to math exams now

[old blaze]

Well it's not a 3d object so it has no depth at all

[lost jackal]

exactly

[cunning token]

how do you know it isn't the face of a rectangular prism?

[rose crow]

How about now?

[old blaze]

If it is then it has depth

[cunning token]

And what is that depth?

[old blaze]

Now we are getting somewhere. That is a 3d object

[lost jackal]

oh my god

[cunning token]

[rose crow]

It is in fact not, it is just a bunch of lines

[lost jackal]

can you grab it?

[old blaze]

That construct a 3d object

[rose crow]

No

[old blaze]

Yes

[cunning token]

It isn't

[lost jackal]

it's a drawing, that is stuck within a 2D space

[cunning token]

it's a 2d picture it has no depth

[rose crow]

Is this a 3D object?

[lost jackal]

if you grab a drawing you just grab the paper that contains it, which indeed is 3D

[sage crater]

https://tenor.com/view/esqueleto-gif-24452082

[old blaze]

You are atoms floating in 3d space. Not useful information is it

[rose crow]

is this a 3D object?

[old blaze]

You can break anything down like that

[rough hollow]

2D or 3D if it’s edible and I’m hungry I am gonna eat it

[old blaze]

No

[cunning token]

I'm dying

[lost jackal]

it is, because i am in a 3D space, making me 3D as well

[old blaze]

No

[rose crow]

is this one?

[old blaze]

That's debateable

[rose crow]

This then?

[old blaze]

No

[lost jackal]

it's a fact

[gray forum]

you know, if you represent quetz in 2d, you could claim that it's 20 times wider than the real animal

[old blaze]

YES you got it

[rose crow]

why is that 3D?

[gray forum]

thus making it as big as a bus

[sage crater]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-wtf-monkey-gasp-monkey-gif-22578374

[rough hollow]

it’s a 2D depiction of a 3D object thus I am right and you’re all wrong because I said so (fact!)

[old blaze]

You know exactly why it's 3d. You know exactly how to construct it in such a way that it tells your brain the same information as if you saw that object in real life. That's how you were even able to draw it distinctly from a triangle, because you know it is a 3d shape and that is what it looks like represented in 2d, but looked at from a 3d perspective

[cunning token]

but it isn't 3d

[lost jackal]

that's not an answer

[rose crow]

it is not 3D

it is still 2D

[old blaze]

What is not 3d?

[rose crow]

it just tricks our brains into thinking it is 3D

[lost jackal]

"why is it 3D"
"you know why it is 3D"

[lost jackal]

answer the question rahm: why is it 3D

[old blaze]

Yes why do you ask questions to which you already know the answer ?

[old blaze]

Because it is

[lost jackal]

bruh

[old blaze]

That is a 3d object, in 2d

[lost jackal]

so it's 2D

[rose crow]

that is a 2D object in 2D

your brain tricks you into seeing depth due to those little lines I drew

[old blaze]

No it is 3D, it literally has 3 dimensions, an x y an z axis

[lost jackal]

what is the value of the z axis?

[rose crow]

It only has an X and a Y axist, where is the Z one?

[old blaze]

Digitally. There is an x y and z axis, 3 dimensions when modeling 3d objects

[lost jackal]

where is the z axis

[old blaze]

But it's represented in 2d

[cunning token]

How do you explain the man in the corner and the flat square? Does being placed next to a 3d representation give them 3 dimensions as well?

[rose crow]

that is not a model, it is drawn onto an object which has no Z axis

[old blaze]

Open a modeling program

Grab a 3d object and rotate it along all axis

All dimensions

[lost jackal]

it still looks 2d to me rahm

[old blaze]

It's 3d

[lost jackal]

the lighting just tricks our brains

[old blaze]

No no lol

[cunning token]

Yes, the modeling program is able to calculate a 3d object, but the picture it shows you is not itself 3d?

[old blaze]

It's not a trick you guys don't understand

[old blaze]

It literally has 3 dimensions

[cunning token]

it literally doesn't

[old blaze]

A dimension is a direction of movement

That's it

[rose crow]

This is a still object, but your brain thinks it is moving. Does that make this image a moving one or is it still a still image?

[lost jackal]

you can measure the Y and X axis fine with a ruler, but what about the Z axis, how do you measure it?

[old blaze]

Your brain only thinks it moves if you move. Hold still and it doesnt.

[cunning token]

Rahm, this cube has 0 depth and therefore 0 volume, does that mean it isn't 3D?

[old blaze]

The same way

[lost jackal]

exactly, just like how your brain thinks its 3D

[old blaze]

How can a program on your computer measure the 3d geometry of a 3d object made digitally?

If the axis aren't there, where are the numbers and measurements coming from?

It IS 3D

[cunning token]

Because the computer has the power, through linear algebra, to calculate a faux 3d image. This, however, does not make it truly 3d.

[old blaze]

Then you do not understand dimensions

[lost jackal]

you cannot do that without making a hole in the paper with a ruler

[rose crow]

the only differences between these images are a few missing pixels, which one of those does your brain think of as "3D"

[cunning token]

Your brain is looking at a fake 3d image and being fooled, your brain can however then imagine the image because it has been fooled but that doesn't make it REAL

[rose crow]

Here we have another one, your brain thinks this darkness is expand, yet it is not. Does that make the darkness expand or no?

[cunning token]

I can imagine unicorns and fairies but they don't suddenly actually exist

[old blaze]

Dimensions are directions of possible movement within space. Left/right is 1 dimension, forward/back is 2 dimensions and is exactly 90 degrees parallel to the 1st dimension, up/down is 3 dimensions and is exactly 90 degrees parallel to both 2nd and 1st dimensions

[cunning token]

but a 2d object can't move on the third dimension because it has no third dimension

[old blaze]

But it does, digitally

[rose crow]

You can't make a square using only left and right, you can't make a cube using only left, right, down and up

[old blaze]

Digital space is 3 dimensional

[cunning token]

it doesn't though, for real

[rose crow]

No, actually it doesn't?

[rough hollow]

[lost jackal]

digitally is not in reality

[old blaze]

Yes it literally is

[cunning token]

It moves slightly upward and maybe has the sprite for the object lower down cover the one further up

[old blaze]

Your digital computer only exists in reality

Digital worlds only exist in this reality

[cunning token]

digimon are real

[old blaze]

It's only because of this that we made them

They are as real as everything else is real

[cunning token]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/750484903753154591/850859658670243840/image0-5.gif

[old blaze]

Right...you need 3 directions to go...and in digital space you can go along a 3rd axis 90 degrees parallel to the previous 2

Which is the exact process that happens IRL

[rose crow]

not in a program which does not allow it

if a program simply allows you to only go X and Y then you can only go X and Y

just like how in real life you can only go in X, Y and Z

[cunning token]

but the image on the screen does not go back in depth for real

[rose crow]

^^

[old blaze]

Not for you

[rose crow]

it is a visual trick, an illusion

[old blaze]

But for digital perception it does

[cunning token]

what?

[old blaze]

It's not a trick it's actually happening

[rose crow]

not on the cubes and pyramids I drew

[old blaze]

It's the same concept as VR

[rose crow]

they are all drawn on a 2D space where nothing other than 2D can be drawn

[old blaze]

Do you know how VR works?

[rose crow]

yet you called them 2D

until I added enough lines

[old blaze]

But they are 3d objects whether they are made in reality or drawn on a paper that is what they are

[rose crow]

for you to say "nah, this looks like 3D"

[rose crow]

but they have artificial depth which in fact does not exist

it is about as real as a visual illusion

[cunning token]

but vr objects are being display very close to your eyes on a 2d screen and work like normal 2d screens

[rose crow]

Herp don't give him stuff to argue with

[old blaze]

But it does exist it just isn't something you can touch

[rose crow]

however, depth is an impossability in a 2D world as it needs 3 Dimensions to work

[old blaze]

That's what I'm driving at here is you guys have this weird idea that what's real is what you can touch in 3d

[rose crow]

don't segway this into something else

[old blaze]

It's still really a real 3d object, it's just in 2d

[rose crow]

No it isn't

[old blaze]

It is

Have you ever read the book Flatland?

[cunning token]

No, it is just objectively a 2d image that is drawn in such a way to trick your brain into believing it is 3d, that does no make it truly 3d

[rose crow]

You embarrass whoever your math teacher was

you CAN'T have 3 dimensions in a 2 dimension space

[prime crow]

what

[cunning token]

flatland is about a theoretical 2d universe what

[old blaze]

From a 2d persons perspective a 3d object that enters their perspective is 2d, even tho it really is 3d

[cunning token]

2d people don't exist

[old blaze]

From our perspective. A 3d object that enters their 2d perspective is ALSO STILL 3D

[rose crow]

bRuH

[lost jackal]

if the space the drawing exists in only has 2 dimensions it literally cannot have 3 dimensions

[rose crow]

We see it as such due to our eyes working that way and portraying the image to our brains that way

[cunning token]

it is literally an optical illusion

[old blaze]

Where did the 3rd dimension go? Did the object just magically lose a dimension? No shit has to be contained, cannot create or destroy energy

[rose crow]

especially considering the tools I used only work in 2D, they have no depth

[cunning token]

what?

[lost jackal]

it never had one, because the space it exists in only has 2 dimensions to begin with

[old blaze]

The dimensionality is still there it just isn't represented from that perspective any more, but other perspectives still contain that information

[cunning token]

https://tenor.com/view/flabbergasted-hero-captainluck-funny-cat-stop-it-youre-scaring-me-gif-21937603

[lost jackal]

also my drawing can now break free because it isnt contained now

[prime crow]

this is the most wild shit ive seen in a while

[old blaze]

But 2d isn't the end of dimensionality buddy

There's a 3d above it

[lost jackal]

it is if its in a drawing bruh

[rose crow]

No, the actual program has a technical, uncountable, unsustainable depth due to it being a program, however the limitations of the program is still just in 2D, you can't draw 3D in 2D. You can however make the visual illusion of a 3D object in 2D due to the fact that we have seen and know how 3D objects look.

[lost jackal]

you cannot draw a 3d object, however you can build one, as the space that said built object exists in a space that allows it to have 3 dimensions

[cunning token]

We're trying to convince this man that a 2D image of a cube is not actually a cube but instead a 2D image drawn so as to fool the brain into believing it is 3D

[rose crow]

but in a place of absolute light and no darkness, everything would be seen as 2D, despite it being 3D, even though that is an impossibility due to how eyes and light work work but still

[old blaze]

we are trying to convince this guy a cube is not a cube

[prime crow]

i guess it successfully fooled them 🤷

[old blaze]

Bruh I can't even

[cunning token]

apparently

[lost jackal]

bruh

[old blaze]

It's A CUBE EITHER WAY DUDE

[prime crow]

ur mom is a cube

[old blaze]

FOR FUCKS SAKE THE CUBENESS DOESNT CHANGE

[cunning token]

a drawing of a cube is not, in and of itself, a cube

[old blaze]

IT ISSSS

[lost jackal]

its not a cube if its 2d lmao

[prime crow]

rotate the cube then

[lost jackal]

i think we broke him

[cunning token]

A picture of a person is not a living organism

[prime crow]

oh wow an animation

[old blaze]

Now what

[rose crow]

those are separate images?

[lost jackal]

can you grab a drawing of a cube?

[prime crow]

a 2d animation made to look 3d

[old blaze]

Point?

[cunning token]

This pikachu is not real

[old blaze]

Define real

It's a real drawing of a pikachu

[prime crow]

i bet your mom can

[cunning token]

It is not itself a real fucking pikachu tho

[rose crow]

You didn't rotate anything, you just showed different images in a way that tricks the brain into thinking it is an object of 3 dimensions

[lost jackal]

the point is that those frames are individual 2d images that create the illusion of a 3d object

[cunning token]

this pikachu is just as much a real life for real pikachu as your cube is a real for real cube

[old blaze]

The only such thing as a real pickachu IS that

[prime crow]

like how are you gonna show me the back of a 2d image without just drawing another 2d image of the back of said object

like that doesnt make it 3d

if that was the case any 2d image could be 3d

[old blaze]

And when you look at quantum mechanics how is that different from how your brain processes the information of how objects look based on the waveform of light that bounced off those objects in succession?

[rose crow]

Your example of a "spinning" cube is that these 2 have the same properties if viewed in a 3D program?

[lost jackal]

because the object quite literally only has 2 dimensions

[cunning token]

a 2d picture is 2d

[old blaze]

It quite literally has 3

[prime crow]

hi my name is rahm and i dont understand visual art

[old blaze]

Yes

[rose crow]

but in fact, they do not

[old blaze]

In fact they do

[rose crow]

If I was to take both of those images into a 3D program, they would be different

[lost jackal]

can you grab it? can you physically rotate it? can you measure depth in it? if so, how? why is it 3d? why don’t you indicate the 3 dimensions

[old blaze]

No it would stitch them together into a cube

[old blaze]

Yes in the program

[prime crow]

https://tenor.com/view/bingus-floppa-cube-gif-22039435

[lost jackal]

** physically**

[old blaze]

Again reality is not subject to what you can touch

[cunning token]

Is this pikachu real and if so what is its depth

[old blaze]

It is really 3d even tho you cannot touch it

[rose crow]

if I was to import a file of a cube which does in fact work in a program which can sustain 3 Dimensions and import it into another 3D program I would be able to rotate it, and use it as a cube would be used. However, if I took a screenshot of said cube, and imported it it would not have the same values

Noone say anything else, just keep it at this

Rahm, please give a "counterpoint" to what I just said

[cunning token]

The cube that the computer calculates using maths is not a real 3d cube, it is just information in the circuits it is not an actual object composed of actual matter

[lost jackal]

edit this screenshot with the indication of all the axis @old blaze

[candid wing]

guys i need help, i have a good pc but now, legacy is just broken when i play, and the audio is like "popping". It's so weird, can someone help me? because before this it went very well

[old blaze]

Why wouldn't it have the same values it's the same exact thing? To the computer there's no difference between the pixels in a screenshot and the pixels in the object in its 3d modeling space, they're all pixels

[prime crow]

#🔧-legacy-troubleshooting-🔧

[rose crow]

They are pixels of different colours, places, light values, etc.

of course they have different properties

[old blaze]

K gimme a sec

[cunning token]

to the computer everything is just electricity moving through the circuits, it is not a real cube

[lost jackal]

exactly, pixels that are contained in a 2d space, and therefore cannot have 3 dimensions

[rose crow]

Anyways this discussion really is pointless

[lost jackal]

pretty much

[prime crow]

pretty sure this guy is trolling

[rose crow]

I would suggest that everyone who is trying to prove Rahm wrong to just leave

[prime crow]

can we talk about how cool cheirus is instead

[rose crow]

he is the type of person who would join a sever, do a long "argue" session

[rose crow]

wait for everyone else to leave, see it as satisfaction for "winning" the argument

[lost jackal]

same lmao, i wanna see his reply to my message first lol

[old blaze]

3 dimensions

[lost jackal]

basically

[cunning token]

He confirmed that digimon are real for real life and actually

[prime crow]

wow rahm man you really proved me wrong you are so right buddy haha , thats totally not a 2d plain with a series of lines design to create the illusion of 3d hahaa

[rose crow]

^^ Rahm you win the argument

You get a cookie!

[prime crow]

thats right rahm you won! i concede my point

[rose crow]

🍪

[old blaze]

Haha that's not exactly what your brain does with photons to create what you see when you look at reality at all

....

[rose crow]

Alright Rahm! You tell him!

[lost jackal]

rahm marry me you’re right 🍪

[lost jackal]

like a boss!

[prime crow]

gold star rahm! ⭐

[cunning token]

you're right rahm, the image that your eyes send to your brain is a 2 dimensional one that your brain processes as 3D, even though the imagine your eyes are seeing is in fact not

[old blaze]

So why if you know that are we arguing

[rose crow]

Because you rock and taught us everything!

Yay! Friendship wins again!

[prime crow]

thanks so much rahm!

[cunning token]

But that's the same concept

[old blaze]

[rose crow]

Yay!

[cunning token]

it is a 2d image that does not have depth being processed by your brain to be 3d

[rose crow]

Aren't you happy Rahm!?

Isn't this what you wanted? For us to agree with you?

[old blaze]

Yeah and if that concept is whats "real" then if you extrapolate it to 3d modeling it's also "real" cuz its the same concept..

[rose crow]

Or were you doing this for the discussion and the discussion only?

[rose crow]

Hell yeah Rahm, you tell him

[old blaze]

Just the discussion buddy

[cunning token]

but here's the difference, rahm, the real 3d object is real and I can touch it and feel and move it

[old blaze]

Like I said I wanted to give you a different perspective

[rose crow]

Thanks! You gave us all the perspectives!

[old blaze]

Being able to touch and feel and move it is not what makes something real dude

[lost jackal]

You’re right. I will look into my life differently and will now break up with my girlfriend because in a different perspective i do not love her anymore.

[cunning token]

https://imgur.com/NZsuqBd

[old blaze]

I know what you mean

But it's still real

[rose crow]

Don't worry Duder! I love you! We should fall in love!

[old blaze]

Wow that's nuts

[cunning token]

I am just thoroughly devastated

[old blaze]

Good luck to you

[lost jackal]

I agree, from a different perspective I believe I love you too.

[cunning token]

absolutely inconsolable

[rose crow]

❤️

[cunning token]

you've broken me rahm, I can't go on from here

this is where I die

[old blaze]

Wow...I can't believe...that's just so heart warming

[rose crow]

Alright, now I can finally sleep at night knowing all the secrets of the world

I can see all of the perspectives from A - Z

and all the ones above and bellow

[cunning token]

is that theri?

[lost jackal]

Everything i look at is 6D now

[prime crow]

spino and cheirus

[old blaze]

Except it's plane*

[cunning token]

:(

[old blaze]

But we can let that typo slide

[prime crow]

sorry friand

[cunning token]

Large flamingo why do you not give theri love?

where is the theri representation?

[prime crow]

your mom lets me slide, slide down those yummy tendies

[prime crow]

i just drew theri

[old blaze]

Aren't they just the nummiest

[prime crow]

for pride month see

[cunning token]

[prime crow]

im super proud of it, its not like 900 i think likes on twitter

[cunning token]

well that's just because theri is cool

Best large armed boy

[prime crow]

theri is based as hell

[cunning token]

I think

[prime crow]

fun fact one of the reasons i got the isle is cause i saw a glimsp of theri in some video and i was like "what is that ive never seen a dino like that"

[cunning token]

realistic theri might be bald, but he's got ground sloth niche and that makes theri extremely based I think

[limber grove]

if real theri is bald then i dont wanna be real 😤

[prime crow]

my pigeon has a bald spot its adorable

[rose crow]

That isn't nice

[cunning token]

but real theri is pudgy and funny

[prime crow]

but yeah theri and cheirus re ignited my enjoyment of dinosaurs, so thats part of why they are my favs

[cunning token]

Maybe it would be feathered like how prehistoric planet's rex is feathered

[prime crow]

i dont know enough info to make a real stance on this

[rose crow]

I like these theri drawings

[cunning token]

Basics of it comes from a mark witton blog talking about whether animals like ground sloths, cheirus, and theri are over fluffed because they're so large that they'd overheat, being endotherms

[prime crow]

ive seen a lightly feathered theri with like a blue chest that was cool

[cunning token]

That's by the same dude who made the picture dalt posted

[prime crow]

also this is a good monsterous looking one https://twitter.com/sawyerleeart/status/1507410573696593920

S. Lee (@sawyerleeart)

More theri. We need a decent featherless look!

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Twitter · Mar 25, 2022, 5:34 PM

reminds me of retro paleo art

[cunning token]

I wish our theri was a little more accurate some times

fat grumpy ground sloth theri speaks to my soul

[prime crow]

yunno i like our theri alot it looks great but i agree it being more accurate would be nice

but im at peace with either

at least its not looking like the JWD theri

[versed hinge]

giant ground sloth theri you say?

WELL i may got you covered

[cunning token]

fat and slow and relaxed and cool

[prime crow]

oh thats a really nice monsterfied theri

[rose crow]

Oh hell yes

I think I drew a quadropedal theri a 2 or 3 years ago

[cunning token]

fat and takes no fucks

[versed hinge]

tis a concept for a fictional lad for a thing ive been doing off and on. ive called it "cryonyx", its a nothronychid.

[rose crow]

God I was shit at drawing

I remember it looking better than this

well, practise makes less shit

[candid wing]

guys

can someone look at https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/401485101046693888 and try to help me please?

[slim stratus]

Why have theri be a ground sloth when we could just

Have a ground sloth

[sage crater]

not a dino

[limber grove]

mammal lame

[sage crater]

also that

[slim stratus]

Says the cat

[limber grove]

you got me

i must now go into isolation

[versed hinge]

ground sloths are pretty metal for mammal standards

osteoderm chainmail in their skin, claws strong enough to bore through solid stone

some were amphibious, others ate meat

hairless ground sloth is basically just a thiccer theri anyways

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realistic theri might be bald
My brother in christ there are no scale impressions and its a maniraptoran

i.e. the group of dinosaurs most famous for being feathered

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see the mark witton post

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Mark Witton draws theri like this though

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:)))

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http://markwitton-com.blogspot.com/2019/10/megafuzz-under-microscope-how-credible.html

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This is from 2019 though
Mark was a major consultant on PrePlanet

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http://markwitton-com.blogspot.com/2019/10/megafuzz-under-microscope-how-credible.html

Mark was far from the only consultant, and furthermore, being a consultant does not give you total creative control

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Do you not think that if he still for certain thought these dinosaurs would lack such integument he would pass these designs

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at some point a producer has to realize that feathery theri and feathery cheirus are more popular among audiences

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He went on record to say that they translated his designs very well from 2D art to 3D models though

I don't know about you but the Theri it least seems very witton-esque to me

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my guy, I don't know what to show you beyond mark's own words on the topic? He was far from the only consultant and both theri and cheirus are tradtionally given feathers even when they shouldn't be

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even if Mark didnt have a say on Theri and Deino doesn't it say something that the other consultants okayed the feathers though

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if you're this much of a stickler, how would a mesothermic animal of theri's size survive in the hot sun of a desert? That's actually physically impossible, as mark lays out in his argument during his blog.

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Presumably that wouldn't be just roaming the desert as multi-ton herbivores lol

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people have a tendency to stick to traditional fluffy cheirus and theri because that's tradition, not because it's accurate

people like you would've complained if they saw a naked theri because you're accustomed to feathery theri

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Bracketing moment

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At the end of the day though, the 3 ton rule is the most popular limit on how feathers can exist without overheating happening and wasn't invented by witton

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Also i'm pretty sure we don't have any animal which has feathers / fur on the tip of the tail and literally nowhere else

and we know Deinocheirus had a tail fan

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it's, of course, possible that they had wispy feathers like how prehistoric planet

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so

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We know that cheirus has a pygostyle, not that it actually had a tail fan

it is just as likely that it's a vestigial trait left over from smaller more heavily feathered ancestors

at the end of the day witton poses a convincing argument on why thick feather coverings on these animals breaks all known laws of biochemistry and thermodynamics, and I'm tempted to follow him as a result. 3 ton rule for the win. Now leave me alone.

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Also using bracketing as an excuse is shakey

Rex has relatives that are feathered,(at least heavily so) doesn’t mean it has to be

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only distant relatives

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It’s from a branch known from feathers

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proceratosaurids
every tyrannosaurid we have skin impressions of is scaly

Ornithomimus is a hell of a lot closer to Deino than Yuty or Dilong is to Rex

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It’s also a helluva lot smaller

And lived in a completely different environment

With a completely different lifestyle

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The lifestyle argument actually benefits deinocheirus having feathers since ornithomimids would be running as fast as they did and not overheating

Deinocheirus would not have been a fast runner

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You think the 7 ton stocky fucker living in hot swamps and similar regions to be super fluffy

When all that does is cause more heat

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Yes

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855535605178171422/987863803536498738/unknown.png

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Then you don’t get the point

That much fluff would make it die of heat stroke

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https://tenor.com/view/lithiumare-kiracord-nerd-marbellu-gif-22666819

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If I recall right the area cheirus and theri lived in would actually be a little chilly. But idk if I heard that wrong or not

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But at 4 and 7 tons you wouldn’t need fluff to deal with the cold

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Depends

It's worth mentioning that fluff isnt just for temperature regulation tho

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But the thick coats everyone gives them would be

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Mammoth

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Which is what witton says is probably wrong

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Also not tru thick coats also provide wind and solar protection

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Lived in the coldest time on earth that we know of

And not in regions that mostly stayed swamp and desert

Occasionally getting a bit chilly

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Fair enough

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I've actually really been getting into "All Tomorrows" and "All Yesterdays" by Nemo ramjet. (First all tomorrows but im starting to check out all yesterdays). Would be interesting to see some more drawings of dinosaurs with more fat, muscle, and etc

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All today's iguana

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The All Todays Swan is literally featherless theri lmao

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Exactly, dinosaurs are most similar to birds than lizards yet we tend to draw them more like lizards and etc

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All Todays is so cool i wish they gave it a book of its own

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The funny part is whatever race is studying the now extinct earth fawna says that this is the most accurate recreation of one of their creatures

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I like that it shows the problems of shrinkwrapping and overspeculation

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Oh yea, their whales are wonky af

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I haven't seen all today's can someone link?

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All todays is pretty much what I posted

It's at the end of all yesterdays, its not a seperate book

although it would be cool if it was

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So there isn't any other art?

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Nah there is more (This is a cat). I'll see if I can find a link for u

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Thank you I appreciate it

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I haven't actually downloaded or bought all yesterdays yet so Im not sure if all of these are in it but here:https://all-todays.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Animals

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Thanks so much!

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https://all-todays.fandom.com/wiki/Chicken

I was looking through them and the chicken one is pretty funny but true

"They were probably social pack animals as some fossil sites suggests, so they may have ganged up together to hunt and kill larger animals such as "Pigs", "Cows", "Humans", and other larger prey"

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That is pretty funny. Thank you for finding these for me

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The elephant one really gets me thinking for dinosaurs though, because the trunk has no skeletal structure. Ah man, what features could dinosaurs be missing (Probably wouldn't be missing anything like a trunk though, since there would at least be some sort of signs of something being there?)

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Coconuts

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well, depends imo
i'm not an expert, so take this with a pile of salt, but both living archosaur groups today (birds and crocodilians) don't have many features beyond the framework of their skeleton
you have the obvious exceptions though, such as birds with their feathers; but then you have more subtle examples, like the nasal boss on gharials
extrapolating from these examples we can assume that non living archosaurs were similar

i'm just going off of what i know, and what i know can be flawed, so anyone more educated on the matter can feel free to correct me on anything

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Wattles, Crests, etc

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like i said, exceptions

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etc

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but i feel like crests or wattles are not at all a fair comparison compared to the trunk of an elephant

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Well yeah thats why I said not a trunk

but still its interesting on what could be missing in general

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it is a fun thing to imagine

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I made my own demon megaraptor

Yours is grabby grabby, mine is “you there, I stab your brain with my hands”

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edgy

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excellent and interesting concept, i approve 12/10

yknow, this would serve as an excellent base for a hyperendocrine megaraptor if i ever made one; loses the dexterity it once enjoyed but still possessing those Giant Fucking Claws, so it repurposes them for lobotomy

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My lads whole playstyle

Is super sneaky and quiet, using speed and silence to get close

Then charge up an attack, a quiet hissing happening as it charges up, then throws both arms forward claws out

Dealing 800 on a head shot, 400 on a body shot

Meaning most small stuff is just dead

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ok super cursed idea
assuming either of our megaraptors arent totally uber genetic fucked; you know ligers, right

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Oh god

That would be horrifying, but for 2 reasons

If they are genetically fucked, abomination

If not, super sneaky dexterity lad

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mixes the climbing and opposable thumb capibility of my megaraptor, and the powerful lunging capability as well as the size of yours
The Perfect Predator

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My lad is mostly based on deks Vegaraptor looks wise, just slightly less armored in my head

Hence the crouch being so fast, knuckle walk

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i didnt include near silence as a part of yours, as thats something my megaraptor possesses as well, to feed into the bogeyman vibe

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And that’s also why he can sprint crouch

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Btw, he has 2 crouch modes

Normal silent crouch, 20kmh

Then a crouch “sprint” at 30kmh for 40 seconds that has SOME sound

Mainly muffled footsteps and bushes rustling

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you know, believe it or not, i haven't made a spreadsheet of my megaraptors capabilities, despite how much i've talked about it

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Also this is attached to my lad

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nocturnal as it should be

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He is built to find you, and stalk ya, then go in for the kill

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You know the human fear of being stalked by a black panther in a night jungle?

Imagine that but dinosaur

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2 flavours of megaraptor
child snatcher and 1950s doctor

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And he can do the stab while crouched btw

So he can get right up and close all silent like

Then

https://tenor.com/view/stab-knife-angry-anime-night-gif-16751402

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hmm, this makes me want to write out all my animal ideas in a similar format to yours

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Showing stats and abilities in a page?

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like a miniature dossier, yeah

since my megaraptor primarily focuses on grabbing, i kinda want to flesh out the interaction

in short, my megaraptors grab is like a mobile pounce

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Yours is le grab, mine is le IMPALE

A small that can get one shot by that stab to the head, gets stuck on the claws

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i'm thinking, i want 3 tiers of my megas grab

le kidnap

le pin

le trip

anything under a certain size threshhold gets nabbed and mauled (offensive tool)

anything larger gets held down and mauled (also offensive but leaves you stationary)

anything larger than that gets tripped (used for escape from larger animals)

and then the threshhold after that the grab literally does nothing and you're probably going to die

👁️ was that the 3rd megaraptor enjoyer i saw typing

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Yes it was

We saw that

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-rise-get-up-star-wars-gif-14175405

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funny that my falcarius is more fleshed out mechanic wise than my megaraptor kek

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I like how our takes converge but are actually pretty unique

Both are night terrors using the claws, but yours is more, grabby gangly

While mine is lurking power, like a big cat, preferring to stab and stalk

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wonder how tense of an interaction that'd be

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Between the 2, or just in general

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the two animals

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It depends on who is stalking who

Because both are very sneaky night hunters, who ever starts hunting the other might end up as the one instilling terror

Because yours im guessing is smaller? Idk