offtopic-discussion

[alpine harness]

Is this now stuck in your head, too? <.=.<?

[rapid dirge]

being scared of death is fine

[barren bear]

fear of death is honourable

[rapid dirge]

(im in a place where i cant really watch it right now, but i've seen it before)

[alpine harness]

Seeing it is one thing; have you heard it? With the music? o.====.o?

[rugged barn]

just the thought of not existing is crazy bro, but you wouldnt even know, like before you were born

[barren bear]

it's quite natural
fear of being forgotten is definitely scary

but if you try to be remembered, you're going to set yourself up to be forgotten.

I'd definitely read Ozymandias, nice poem

[rapid dirge]

non-existence is both scary and weird

[barren bear]

quite truly

[rapid dirge]

dunno about that exact video but i have seen one similar with the same cat video as its base

[alpine harness]

Oh, okay, owo.

[digital sleet]

went from existential dread to cat video to existential dread

[barren bear]

nothing is pretty weird and scary
because nothing is nothing. It's lack of anything. So nothing really gets yah .
Because it's impossible to exist. So you can't really think ponder about it welly

[digital sleet]

wild

[alpine harness]

I can find a cat video about existential dread, does that help, owo?

[rapid dirge]

for me the scariest part about death has to be family and friends being sad and also pain, wouldnt want my death to be painful

[digital sleet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205981060194893855/1227801555596607498/Kong_Mewing.mov?ex=6629ba4e&is=6617454e&hm=920e70b08cc40db239270158734f0d0a99fff34c56a57520236661bd61ea7a2b&

[rugged barn]

i think just finding peace with it is the best way to go about it

[rapid dirge]

nothing doesnt exist, nothing is nothing, you cannot be nothing because nothing isnt

[barren bear]

pretty much

[alpine harness]

Okay but what are your thoughts about the number "zero", owo?

[rapid dirge]

finding peace with the inevitability of death is a good way to do it

[barren bear]

it's why i love absurdism and melodrama
it's wacky. Probably a way of defining/coping with the meaning of life
but I enjoy it

[rapid dirge]

its a number (or is it vsauce theme starts playing)

[barren bear]

life is weird.
Why not be weird with it

[rugged barn]

fr

[barren bear]

bought the vsauce vinyl for my birthday!!

[rapid dirge]

real

[alpine harness]

Dear goodness, Vsauce's writers are interesting.. XD

[rapid dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-vsauce-or-is-it-gif-25517943

[barren bear]

pretty much.
well
pretty "no much"

[rapid dirge]

nothing just isnt

[alpine harness]

Or is it? *Vsauce music intensifies. o.=.o.*

[rugged barn]

wonder if ill be reincarnated

or go to an afterlife

but then the thought of just being immortal means nothing matters i feel

[rapid dirge]

reincarnation is weird

a life without end, only change

[rugged barn]

i could have literally been george washington and ill never know

[barren bear]

never really liked the idea of reincarnation
doesn't really make much sense from a mixed science x theology view

[rapid dirge]

if reincarnation is true wouldnt that mean that consciousness and life is limited in quantity

[rugged barn]

not everything has to make sense

[rugged barn]

hmm

[barren bear]

https://tenor.com/view/king-baldwin-gif-10960829910342338291

[rapid dirge]

not wrong

[rugged barn]

its easy for everything to have a meaning, but its also as reasonable for it not too… - me

[rapid dirge]

what happens after death is for the dead to experience

[barren bear]

and ME (I am Hades)

[rapid dirge]

once you die, yes

[barren bear]

oh

[rapid dirge]

what happens when a god dies?

[barren bear]

from what you read, gods don't really die

[rapid dirge]

everything could make sense, its just that not everything might make sense within our understanding of everything

[rapid dirge]

from what i read?

[barren bear]

figurative read, not literal. Sorry

[rapid dirge]

ah

but why wouldnt a god die

[barren bear]

they are, by definition, incapable of death

[rapid dirge]

how would one end the story of a god if not by death

[barren bear]

the only thing close to death is with characters like Kronos or Ouranos

[rugged barn]

thered be no ending

[barren bear]

you don't

[rapid dirge]

a god falling into eternal sleep and being incapable of waking up could be classified as death

[barren bear]

it's innately chaotic

[barren bear]

pretty much
I had a shower thought story in my mind a few days ago about this

[rapid dirge]

but in reality a god dies once it is forgotten

a god without faith is no god

[barren bear]

oh yeah
in terms of the point of view of gods being mythology

looking at people like Helios

[rapid dirge]

by definition a god that stops being worshipped is no god

[pliant dawn]

When ideas can die so can gods.
Which is obviously not the same as death in living things.

[rapid dirge]

a god is an idea more than a thing

[barren bear]

from the point of humans creating these characters
yes. It's all faith.

[rapid dirge]

by defintion a god needs to be worshipped to be a god

so once a god is forgotten (and subsequently stops being worshipped) it is no longer a god

[barren bear]

well, that's by our definitions

[rapid dirge]

you used our definitions to defend the point that a god cannot die in the way a human can

[barren bear]

why do, if god(s) exist
they need to rely on us? Why interact with us at all?

[rapid dirge]

if a god exists then we might not know anything about it, we wouldnt know its power nor anything

all we know of gods has been defined by humans

[barren bear]

gods, by default, are the definition of not dying.
Dying, by default as well, can only be defined by our experiences because death cannot be experienced in any other way to what we know

but the idea of gods interacting and needing humans is purely a concept made by humans and has no physical basis

[rugged barn]

real

[rapid dirge]

why does a god need to be immortal, who made that definition?

[pliant dawn]

Same with the idea of gods.

[rapid dirge]

because then the norse gods arent gods at all

Thor dies in ragnarok just like so many other gods

[digital sleet]

there is only ONE god and its name is MEGALANIA

[pliant dawn]

You can't just say "needing worship" is made up by humans, but "not dying" is not.

[barren bear]

to be fair, i forgot about norse

[rugged barn]

the only god i feel like is and always will be is everything

[barren bear]

i never stated not dying is man-made
i said dying is a physical aspect

[rapid dirge]

who says dying has to be physical

[rugged barn]

when your brain shuts off, you just poof no?

[pliant dawn]

I think the definition of "god" is intentionally rather broad to allow lots of different people to rally about it.
If you get too specific you end up like those cultist weirdos.

[barren bear]

i mean
yes the idea of gods existing is human
but that's not the argument

some religions exist like such. Jainism, for example.

[pliant dawn]

Well, there are atheist religions, too.

[barren bear]

that's Jainism, for example.

[rapid dirge]

the argument was if a god could die (and what would happen after), Isaac brought out "by definition a god cannot die" and thats where it started

arguments about non-sensical things that make you think are fun

[barren bear]

to be fair though
Norse gods aren't really pure gods

in contrast to Greek Mythos
which the gods derive from chaos itself

[rapid dirge]

"pure god" is a weird term

[barren bear]

it's not really a proper term

[rapid dirge]

what makes a god pure, if i may ask

[pliant dawn]

I would call a god that is "more like a human" less "pure" than a god that is "more like reality".

[rapid dirge]

a god that is "more nature than man" is more pure than a god that is "more man than nature you" mean?

[barren bear]

with Norse
you could argue, due to Idunn's apples, that they were turned into such
as the apples gave them such ability to live long

BUT to be fair
Norse mythos is quite painfully obscure due to stuff

[pliant dawn]

I think that doesn't quite grasp it, because that would make a tree god more pure than a human god.

[dense field]

demigod!

[barren bear]

https://tenor.com/view/percy-jackson-floss-dance-flossing-walker-scobell-gif-15536226497042895717

[rapid dirge]

(i meant more like "a god that is more a concept/force of nature")

(man accidentally pressing Enter before done writing is annoying)

[pliant dawn]

But just... look at Zeus... a horny dude with immense magical powers that cannot die.
Then look at the Christian god (not just Jesus, the whole thing) - in comparision that's quite the cosmic horror entity.

[barren bear]

to be fair, are Aesir human?

[rapid dirge]

the Abrahamic god is a being beyond everything, it is a nice example of a "true pure god"

[pliant dawn]

Well, it could be an angel situation where the depictions kind of became "disney-fied" into superhumans.

[barren bear]

Abrahamic god is defined as pure omniscience (all the omnis)
Hellenistic gods are a bit more weird with their "abilities" in their presence .

[dense field]

they more like immortal but to time
and can be killed
with exceptions ig

[rapid dirge]

the Abrahamic god is defined as everything

[barren bear]

well, everything minus everything

[rapid dirge]

right

[barren bear]

not limited
but also still limited

[rapid dirge]

can do everything, and nothing

[barren bear]

you can't really define such
stopped by their laws? Who knows

[sullen merlin]

What am i reading

[barren bear]

forknifef

[rapid dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[barren bear]

but we'll never know
or maybe we will
who knows (yay!!)

[rapid dirge]

when me and Isaac discuss obscure concepts and things its always fun

[barren bear]

^

[dense field]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vsL6NtTsUM
someone posted this before but i gotta say, this has to be the most accurate depiction of Rajang

[rapid dirge]

dk rajang moment

[rocky shuttle]

A 'pure' god would not build humans in their image nor have human properties/appearance
Because being human, being natural, means being imperfect
(Mind if i chime in a little, i like that kind of discussions)

[rapid dirge]

being human is to be human, a true pure god would be beyond that

[sullen merlin]

says who?

[rapid dirge]

who knows

[barren bear]

i mean
how would we know

what if it's an "Adventure Time" scenario

[rocky shuttle]

A god would not even care about humans or create them 'in his image'
Because tbh all that humans got going for them is above average intellicence compared to many other species

[sullen merlin]

thats the whole point i dont believe in it. Its so twistable every time

[barren bear]

but how would we know this

[dense field]

Islam says god gave humans their imperfections as a "test"
so when intrusive thoughts hit, a person is measured by their ability to cast them aside

[rapid dirge]

why not?, who are you to define what a god can and cannot do, what it will do, and wont do

[sullen merlin]

To me a god is just a fictional transcendent being thats historically invented most likely by an upper class to keep the lower class in control. Smart idea

[rapid dirge]

you dont have to believe in a god, its still fun to discuss what it may be, how it may be defined

[sullen merlin]

true

[rocky shuttle]

Well, nobody
Neither are other people
Why would a god even do that? Just to have some fun watching a species rise and fall? Checks out lmao

[rapid dirge]

why would it, why wouldnt it, both are equally useless answers

but that uselesness can be ignored

[rocky shuttle]

Maybe a god created the entire universe but focuses on a whole other planet and earth is just an overlooked byproduct of reality

[barren bear]

that's the thing
who knows

[dense field]

kind of that and our ego
humans cannot accept a reality where you get nothing after you die
hence those countless afterlives depicted differently in each culture

[barren bear]

the possibilities are quite and truly endless

[digital sleet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/275436245318893568/1229370670324912158/IMG_2667.png?ex=662f6fa8&is=661cfaa8&hm=6ae93d8f0939ddd4bfa7077c60b4ab6f61bbe452b6c44a8f9ac78e051bdec882&

[sullen merlin]

• to explain things that were unknown

[rapid dirge]

what is a god?, what isnt a god?

[rapid dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/ascend-gif-24374683

[barren bear]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lets-talk-questions-animal-pet-gif-8333765139387877698

[rugged barn]

🤯

[rocky shuttle]

Humans (a lot of them at least) also cannot accept that they might not be the chosen ones, the center of all that exists
Causing them to invent religions, and twisting them to their own will until it is no longer about their so-called creator, but themselves and their power over other people

[rapid dirge]

a god could be incomprehensible and impossible to understand, or it couldnt

[dense field]

to me, the question of "if universe is expanding on lightspeed, what is it expanding inside of?" is the more important question than whether or not god is real

[pliant dawn]

I think to be a god it needs to be personified. Otherwise you could call reality itself a god, which in turn would make most atheists monotheists.

[rapid dirge]

who's to say reality itself isnt a god

[rocky shuttle]

What if reality is a god
And the universe only exists in its dreams?

[rocky shuttle]

Ever expanding like dream worlds do

[rapid dirge]

if universe is expanding on lightspeed, what is it expanding inside of
maybe nothing, maybe something, impossible to know, impossible to find out

[pliant dawn]

Then the "only" is unwarranted.

[rugged barn]

kinda crazy that 2 mammals f’d eachother millions and millions of years ago and here we all are talking in discord about philosophy

[rapid dirge]

if a dreamer is a god, then every living human is a god within their own mind

[dense field]

you had to ruin it!

[barren bear]

something exploded billions of years ago
and it had to DO THIS

[sullen merlin]

ye, but tbf ppl think too much about that stuff. So many ppl spend their life following rules (maybe for nothing) just because of that sole reason. Which is absurd to me cuz i dont see wild animals, plants etc pray and sacrifice stuff to avoid hell or what not. Why would all organisms except humans be punished or gifted a benefit just by the way of living

[rapid dirge]

not just mammals, also those before

[rocky shuttle]

That's how i see it
Everyone is the god of their own thought worlds

[sullen merlin]

so real

[dense field]

"because we humans are speshal!"

it all comes down to that false assumption.

[rugged barn]

literally anything that made that thing not to do something couldve made you and all your ancestors not exist, its so weird to think about

[rocky shuttle]

If you need to follow a strict set of rules to be a good person and avoid eternal punishment, then you are not a good person

[rapid dirge]

then why wouldnt you fixate on a fun little thing created in your own dreams (im going back to your argument that "a god wouldnt fixate on something small and insignificant like humans")

[rugged barn]

whats a good person

[barren bear]

their own camera
their own canvas
their own brain
their own experienced definitions of the absurd fluid that is life

[rapid dirge]

could have, could maybe not have, is it actually random?

[sullen merlin]

Ye literally. I think some christians believe that its because we can rationally think and reflect, that we can "take care if the earth" and depending on how de do that u get punished or not. Well we re not doing a good job then

[barren bear]

that of the perceived opposite of a bad person

[dense field]

existence is really fragile
if the asteroid didnt hit the earth that day, we wouldnt be here
or if life didnt decide to invent photosynthesis and chose to gulp down volcanic fumes at the bottom, we woudlnt be here

[rocky shuttle]

True
Might have contradicted myself here
So yes, a god could focus on creating life to let it roam free

[barren bear]

which is only defined by the experiences of a person

[rapid dirge]

good and bad are subjective

[sullen merlin]

Exactly

[rugged barn]

not really, if your great great great great great great great grandfather decided to meet another woman you would have literally not existed

[barren bear]

quite truly only exist due to the experience of the individual

[rocky shuttle]

Maybe a conciousness had existed, in your place, but not you

[rapid dirge]

maybe, but that cannot actually be proven can it?

[pliant dawn]

Not really, they are usually informed by empathy and utilitarianism both of which aren't subjective at all.

[barren bear]

like a balance
if you live in a world of good
what makes good good?

[rapid dirge]

why isnt empathy subjective

[sullen merlin]

It kinda can, like u cant get the exact dna sequence if it werent for certain parents. Even if the same parent have other babies its different every time

[barren bear]

I'd say it's far more experiential

[rapid dirge]

can you prove that a being that exists wouldnt exist if something different was done in the past

[pliant dawn]

Because it's not just a viewpoint. Yes, it's your empathy, but i wouldn't call your mom subjective either.

[rocky shuttle]

Good things might be what brings the subjectively best outcome to a problem
But wouldn't a villain act good then, if he acts in his own will?
No, that is egoistical
So "good" is hard to define

[rugged barn]

i forgot the exact number of you being alive, but yeah i feel like it could

[barren bear]

because someone's mother is physical matter
empathy is just chemicals

[rocky shuttle]

Everyone has different levels of empathy and a different moral compass

[rapid dirge]

empathy is understanding and feeling emotions, emotions can be subjective

[sullen merlin]

Theoretically no but the amount of dna combinations for the same thing are so low its virtually zero. So also yes but no

[rapid dirge]

right, its highly likely (like an almost infinite likeliness) but it cannot be truly proven

[barren bear]

https://tenor.com/view/time-machine-black-panther-gif-11130417542408478238

[rapid dirge]

one cannot yet prove that changes to the past would change the present

[sullen merlin]

But the fact that there are never been born 2 ppl completely the same in history can kinda confirm it i guess. Otherwise it already would have happened

[dense field]

also its weird to think about why we had to exist. I mean i could've just not exist entirely but i have this first person view and i take it for granted because i dont know any better.
will I always exist? i wont and thats kind of scary. Maybe i get to have my consciousness, maybe I wont ever have this understanding of existence ever again. What if i wasnt an animal or just not a human, do i get to exist the way i do? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Playin Monster hunter is easier

[rocky shuttle]

So a whole species devoid of emotion and only focused on action would be ideal, wouldn't it?
And nobody can make the argument that they 'couldn't live without happiness' because they don't have bad feelings either
Like robots, but organic life forms

[pliant dawn]

No, emotion is very useful in cooperation, which is the basis of what is "good" in the first place.

[rapid dirge]

why would a species without emotion be ideal?

why are emotions not ideal?

[sullen merlin]

define emotions? Is being stressed an emotion?

If so then that would be really bad

[rocky shuttle]

Maybe death is just having your conciousness and personality reborn into a new body? A new start from rock bottom, to make new choices?
Or eternal nothingness, just ceasing to exist altogether?

[barren bear]

well
empathy creates emotion
you can't really balance good from such without an opposite defining aspect (bad)

[pliant dawn]

Sure, you could cooperate without emotion, but that seems a lot harder, especially since cooperation in nature seems to correlate rather heavily with emotion, moreso than with intelligence.

[rapid dirge]

our shared understanding of "Good" is what keeps us and others alive in comfort (since that is ideal)

[dense field]

emotions are traits of animals that we know of designed to help you survive and react under circumstances

emotions may not be the way to go about it with an "ideal" species
our understanding of life is limited to that of Planet Earth's

[rapid dirge]

good itself is based on understanding, which is inherently subjective

[dense field]

i highly doubt that because what is my consciousness and how does it get to exist without my human body/mind

[barren bear]

it's why young kids who live in abused households don't really understand what's going on till they experience the outer world
Sure they're young. But, heck, it still applies from above. If you don't experience, you don't grow

[rocky shuttle]

Things we view as bad often happen as a result of emotions overwhelming or controlling a person
If we say 'this person has no heart, no emotion' they may just be full of negative emotion like fear, hatred or hopelessness

[barren bear]

looking at bullies at schools

[rapid dirge]

right, you can see this in the past as well (for example: slavers saying and thinking slavery is good)

[rocky shuttle]

So yes, having them is good, just not too much of it
Because too much of a good thing might get you a bad thing

[pliant dawn]

"Eternal nothingness" isn't so "nothing" actually, because the choices you made will stick with the world, potentially forever.

[rapid dirge]

the past is eternal, everything you have done you have done

[rocky shuttle]

The choices and impressions you left will stay, you will not
Your name may be remembered but nobody gets to see or touch you anymore
The body is gone
The mind is gone
The actions stay

[dense field]

emotions are repulsive
but they always dont have to be that way

Since one's personality is their entire self and that defines their emotions, someone having no emotions wouldnt still have emotions as in not having emotions? its weird
but again, we're trying to define life from what we saw on a smol rock

[barren bear]

your actions will change the world and time forever
as long as forever is

[rugged barn]

how do we prove that when before we woke up actually happened and is the same version of ourselves and not just memories

[barren bear]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[rapid dirge]

everything that has ever been done, has been done, and that will never change

[digital sleet]

yeah okay "todd howard"

[barren bear]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-todd-howard-watch-it-what-did-you-just-say-what-did-you-say-to-me-gif-22673491

[pliant dawn]

How do we prove the universe didn't just pop into existence 2 seconds ago and everything before that is just "lore"?

[digital sleet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1215238429785194526/SPOILER_bild.webp?ex=662a2a7b&is=6617b57b&hm=2ba0d244f1db320ee223715b4d708293ca378b7ff1d2c738ce3b33b06c2529dc&

[rapid dirge]

never heard that one before

[rocky shuttle]

How do we prove we are not in a hyper realistic dream state that, unlike our 'sub-dreams', have feelings and sensation
Maybe we are our higher dimensional selves, connected by a dream that doesn't cover their whole sensory world just like our dreams don't cover ours

[barren bear]

yes

[rapid dirge]

we cant, but most evidence tends to point that the universe was created many billion years ago, could that evidence be fake? maybe, but also maybe not

[digital sleet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051982032881852518/1229374815098638377/cb6936e537b61731.mp4?ex=662f7384&is=661cfe84&hm=7844e7b01db2de2dfe8deac4e7a1e03fac62ad4feca06db09b982ab1ad8efb10&

[rapid dirge]

yay

[dense field]

nah i dont think its that deep
but relativity can make it
if you're far enough and fast enough, you can probaby see big bang

but you had to be there before it happened

[rapid dirge]

you'd have to go impossibly fast

[dense field]

yes

[barren bear]

if you meet the ever-expanding universe
reach it
you probably could
but that would mean you'll have to go faster than light

[rocky shuttle]

Maybe a random deer in some forest anywhere in the world knows all the secrets of the universe in its random thoughts, but doesn't know that it does
Probability

[barren bear]

https://tenor.com/view/gimme-gloves-off-adventure-time-deer-adventure-time-adventure-time-with-finn-and-jake-gif-5393863

[rapid dirge]

not just faster than light, faster than expansion (which is faster than light)

[barren bear]

still, faster than light
but absurdly faster

[rocky shuttle]

Throw some dark energy into your engine and go

[barren bear]

give me some WORM HOLES!!

[rapid dirge]

youre not wrong

[rocky shuttle]

Too bad nobody knows how dark energy even works

[dense field]

relativity is weird!
someone looking at our planet from the right distance can see ALLOSAURUS walking on it!

[rapid dirge]

wormholes is less increasing speed and more decreasing distance (atleast how i understand it)

[digital sleet]

thats an insane thought

[barren bear]

literally
imagine we discovery technology on that level

we could literally rehistorise history

[rapid dirge]

you'd just have to be like 145 million lightyears away

[rocky shuttle]

Aliens wouldn't even see any life, nontheless intelligent, run around on that small planet of ours if they are far enough away

[barren bear]

but still possible

[rapid dirge]

not wrong

[dense field]

wormholes bend space time
best examples of it is the "folding a paper"
instead of going from A to B on the straight paper, you fold it in a way that A and B would be on top of each other

[barren bear]

if we can truly make it possible

[dense field]

wormholes are real !

[barren bear]

show me!!!

[rapid dirge]

right, so it isnt speed, its nothing but shortening distance

[rocky shuttle]

And if they already visited at a time humans didn't view them as visitors from another planet, or didn't tell anyone (because why would they - think about it) they won't think to revisit us

[rapid dirge]

theoretically

[barren bear]

"oh, look at these monkeys holding tools. Wonder what they'll be like in a few thousand years!!"

[rocky shuttle]

Not that i believe in aliens deliberately trying to contact us or anything

[pliant dawn]

More like "if our current understanding is reasonably correct, wormholes can possibly exist".

[rugged barn]

i want to meet an alien

[barren bear]

we'll destroy ourselves before we even need aliens do to it lol

[rapid dirge]

extraterrestrial life could exist, or it couldnt
the chance of it existing is higher than not

[dense field]

much higher

[barren bear]

talked to an aussie astronomer recently
the general idea is that life likely exists
but in our radius? Likely not really any "human intelligence"

[rapid dirge]

alien by definition is just weird and unknown, so you probably have already

[sullen merlin]

I always think that if aliens exist and find us that they have super advanced technology etc but what if we are one of the first organims in the universe and we actually are the super advanced creatures going to visist other life forms in few thousand years

[rugged barn]

maybeeee

[rapid dirge]

human intelligence as the benchmark for "intelligent lifeform" is very selfish of us

[barren bear]

to find us
they'd innately have far superior tech to us

[rocky shuttle]

The observable part of the universe is so much smaller than the whole thing, and the ratio grows as time goes on
We might just be damned to be alone, and so might every other planetary civilization

[pliant dawn]

Wormholes could be like "a googolplex of apples".
Conceivable, potentially possible but maybe not actually in existance.

[dense field]

its almost impossible even
its even theorised that the last unknown common ancestor had travelled to earth with an asteroid hitting the planet

[barren bear]

still
the ability to construct is still impressive enough to be a small benchmark

[dense field]

so in theory, same ancestor hitting another planet, going through the same phases of extinction events as earth did, could possibly produce space dinosaurs

[rapid dirge]

almost impossible just means highly improbable

[dense field]

relatively!

[rocky shuttle]

Beavers cut down trees to build dams that hold water, protect them, are dry inside and act as homes
Would a lot of people categorize them as true intelligent life forms? Probably not

[rapid dirge]

right, just like bees and many other insects build nests and hives

[dense field]

humans realize existence
most animals just exist
thats really the defining factor if you ask me

[pliant dawn]

That's just arrogance though. Yes, you are more intelligent than a beaver, but it's not that much of qualitative difference.
That's like saying everything smaller than a truck is not a true car.

[rocky shuttle]

Bees and ants even have a whole SOCIETAL CONSTRUCT
And that works miles better than with humans (not that i advocate monarchy by birthright, but there we are at the other end of my argument)

[barren bear]

sorry, I was being quite minimal.
Construct to control on a larger planetary and environmental level

a nice small benchmark

still impressive enough to be a small benchmark

[rapid dirge]

other animals may realize existence as well, we just dont know it yet (or they may have not)

[rocky shuttle]

Humans are also smart enough to get space in the little heads of theirs to give themselves an identity crisis with a long talk about existance

[barren bear]

dolphins!!!

[rapid dirge]

dolphins fit within most intelligence categories (including having the ability to be evil)

[dense field]

not the way we do because they're physically incapable of
at least the majority

some animals pass the mirror test, which means they're self aware, but none can understand the existence the way we do

[pliant dawn]

Human intelligence is so much more impressive in part because of a bunch of gamechangers that supercharged it:

• culture
• tool use
• writing

[barren bear]

thank the apes for holding and making tools!

[rugged barn]

it truly just makes me wonder why were here and maybe there will never be an answer but if there is, whats the point, like why, live your life to fullest and be happy, but like why?

[rapid dirge]

"physically incapable to understand the way we do" does not necessarily mean "physically incapable to understand"

[pliant dawn]

Also a very high level of coorperation, because you can't hoard knowledge as we do if nobody cares.

[dense field]

the exchange of information
We did develop them and we learned from others
we developed better then others learned from us

[rocky shuttle]

Includes, but isn't limited to:

• preparing food for more use than pure survival
• attack other same species civilization for no reason other than thinking they are subhuman for not having the same ideals

[pliant dawn]

I wonder if without the vast knowledge at our disposal human intelligence would actually look that impressive compared to other animals.

[rapid dirge]

bugs, many bugs act like those two (except the subhuman and ideals part) (they're bugs they arent human)

racism aint limited to humans

same with storing food

[barren bear]

ant wars!!

[dense field]

eeehhh
its tricky because you're, by nature, are designed to not think about death cause it might stress you
humans freely think about it and even created ways to cope with it
like afterlife

and death is part of existence

at least the way we know it

[pliant dawn]

You think about death, because what comes after actually does concern you.

[rocky shuttle]

They might attack another hive of their own species for taking food, threatening their colony or invading territory
Never heard of a fight for no good reason, can you tell me a bit about it because i'd be interested to learn new stuff

[barren bear]

we have no survival meaning, no physical threat
what's worse than the thing that kills? The thing after that

[rapid dirge]

"designed not to think about death" i aint never heard that before
all living beings are designed to avoid death yes, but not thinking about it?

[dense field]

im pretty sure ive read papers that said a part of human brain purposefully works to not remind you of death, because it'd stress you

but it was long time ago and credibility is up for debate

[pliant dawn]

Other animals probably also think about death, especially the cultural ones. Elephants come to mind.

[rocky shuttle]

I heard of animals committing suicide because of bad environment (like dolphins in captivity)
So yes, some do think about life and death in a way

Anyways gonna be back in around 7 minutes, got something to do rq

[barren bear]

i believe doubt's more so referring to the idea of the eternal end that is death, as a philosophical debate of existence and not existence
and not the survival aspect of death

[rapid dirge]

many species of ants will kill other ants (even of same species) if they are from a different hive, just because.

[dense field]

yes

[rapid dirge]

ah

[pliant dawn]

Oh that... yeah nobody else has time for that.

[barren bear]

no point, doesn't help in survival

[pliant dawn]

It helps humans, because humans use that to further cooperation.

[dense field]

i am so lucky i get to exist
and now im going to use this luck to kill Fatalis again

[rapid dirge]

humans have basically conquered the act of survival

[dense field]

rose above nature!

to a degree

[rapid dirge]

maybe not truly above but yes

[barren bear]

to think and ponder about the afterlife?

[pliant dawn]

Nature laughs at those pitiful claims.

Yeah, it works, but so did growing really big for Sauropods.

[rugged barn]

what are the odds of us evolving to become physically weaker and have no toes

[rapid dirge]

humans have not conquered weather nor temperature

[dense field]

"im above nature!"

bold claim considering your entire planet and life in it depends on whether or not Sun is going to unleash a solar flame today

Sun
please dont

[barren bear]

i mean we could
evolution is wacky. Who knows how it works purely

[rapid dirge]

toes are useful for balance, toes probably wouldnt go away, physically weaker has a high chance since physical power isnt in high demand in current modern society

[neat basalt]

id argue we've conquered small scale temperature, its relatively easy to control our immediate enviorment

[rapid dirge]

2025 foreshadowing moment

[pliant dawn]

Humans depend so much on the ecosystems around us.
That's why we do preservation, not because we think Polar bears are cute.

[barren bear]

not for our environment though
poor earth having to deal with the climate; getting to deal with us for a tiny bit

[neat basalt]

rip the homie earth

[rapid dirge]

we've controlled it small scale, we havent conquered it

[barren bear]

she's still strong 💪 we're just a small speck
a tiny nuisance

[rapid dirge]

cute privilege absolutely has a part in it

[rapid dirge]

its survived worse (the species on the planet? not so much)

[pliant dawn]

It helps with mobilizing people, the purpose is still survival though.

[slow hazel]

Earth will have no problem even if the blow up our nukes

[rapid dirge]

^

[barren bear]

hasn't really helped mobilise the fat old people who run our systems though

[pliant dawn]

Survival does though, at least for some.

[rapid dirge]

greed is the truest deadly sin

[barren bear]

https://tenor.com/view/king-baldwin-gif-10960829910342338291

i hate being an adult due to such
worst thing to happen. Much prefer having a parent to force me away from crap

[pliant dawn]

Cut those fat old people some slack, because politics is really difficult and you don't actually have that much room to do stuff while also staying in the place where you can do it.

[rapid dirge]

wrath, envy, lust, gluttony, pride and sloth got nothing on my boy greed

[rocky shuttle]

If the people who only care for their own needs and bend the system to their will take power, society goes into nowhere
Too bad almost only these people want the power, and then get it with a lot of empty promises and appealing to peoples fears

[pliant dawn]

That's why so many politicians seem so inept - they are busy doing politics.

[barren bear]

because the old fat people of their age were doing the same

[rapid dirge]

modern politics is more about charisma than wisdom and intelligence

[rocky shuttle]

Politics is hard, i know, but focus on useful things that will bring everyone forward a bit, and not only you a lot

[pliant dawn]

Yeah, it's the system. It's a bit better in democratic systems, but still not easy.

[rocky shuttle]

Charisma, big words and selfishness

[barren bear]

being in a family that has many political ties to many layers of the government
you hear crap

You realise everyone there are flawed (surprise )
but power likes to take people by the hand

[rapid dirge]

like what do most modern leaders have in common:
wisdom? (a little but not really)
intelligence? (^)
ideals? (a ton but not the same)
charisma? (the most)

[rocky shuttle]

Democracy is hard too because (taking representative democracy here, not direct) politicians still influence people and might make them radical and politically conservative through telling them things to fear fear

[rapid dirge]

democracy means the one who controls the people controls the world

dictatorship means the one who controls the world controls the world

[pliant dawn]

It always was about charisma and intelligence and it still is. Charisma might be a bit more important now, because of mass media but you can manipulate that with intelligence, too.

[rocky shuttle]

And the people with high intelligence and decent values, but no charisma gets laughed at
Pretty privilege (or pretty word privilege) is real and people only want to think their world is perfect as it is

[rapid dirge]

yeah, but if you cant make the people vote for you it dont matter how smart you are

[rocky shuttle]

Manipulation with intelligence is way rarer than through charisma in my opinion

[barren bear]

2+2=4
No! 2+2=5

No. Here's why:
...
nah! I believe it's still 5

[rapid dirge]

the orange man is a very good representation of control through charisma

[pliant dawn]

It depends on the specific system, too.
In personal elections like the US charisma matters a lot more, in party based ones like Germany less so.

[neat basalt]

2 + 2 = 6 because you have 2 2's so you have to account for the extra two

[barren bear]

or in Australia
vote whomever because we barely know what's happening. We're puppets anyways

[rapid dirge]

yeah, true that

[rocky shuttle]

For germany, a lot is emotion based "here is an enemy you need to fear, vote us to be safe from it"
Prominent example the far right, extremist party AFD

[rapid dirge]

a discussion going from death, to gods, to time, to death again, and then to politics (and many more in between) is a very nice thing

[pliant dawn]

AFD is doing very US-like politics though. They are basically copying the Republicans and silently drop the parts that don't apply to Germany.

[rocky shuttle]

I love that kind of discussion for real

[barren bear]

lol

[rapid dirge]

"here is an enemy you need to fear, vote us to be safe from it"
sounds very similar to something that happened around 90-80 years ago

[pliant dawn]

Similar thing, similar reasons, too.

[rocky shuttle]

Protests against AFD are literally happening because they are too similar

[neat basalt]

to be fair, thats just how all politics go nowadays

im not a centrist at all, cause thats stupid. but most of the time, nuance has completely been forgotten. the whole mindset has shifted to them vs us

[pliant dawn]

Keep in mind back then people didn't expect it do be "that serious" until it was too late.

[rapid dirge]

idk where i am on the political spectrum, i just mean what i mean and thats it

[neat basalt]

i think my views are definitely rather far left

[rapid dirge]

im far left due to my country being far left, other than that idk

[rocky shuttle]

I'm for politics that work by the people, through the people, for the people
So basically a well structured democracy without selfishness and corruption

Accepting all beliefs, because that's how democracy works

Or at least should work

[rapid dirge]

yeah but selfishness and corruption is very difficult to get rid of

[pliant dawn]

That's what makes it powerful.
If you have "mob democracy" where only a few people do the thinking you are just as bad as an oligarchy.

[rocky shuttle]

Because it might be a deeply human thing, to achieve one's own goals first

Everyone is selfish in a way

[rapid dirge]

all beliefs is very broad, two beliefs that contradict eachother wouldnt fare as well as two that dont

[rapid dirge]

selfishness is super useful for your own survival

[rocky shuttle]

We cannot get rid of it, my description was an ideal situation that can never happen

[rapid dirge]

right, perfection is impossible

[rocky shuttle]

That's why it exists in the first place, and it was good when we needed it

[barren bear]

i'd say
I'd be quite "centrist" for the "modern westerner"
my ideals are quite mixed from left and right

[rapid dirge]

selfishness is only "bad" because its "bad" against other people

[pliant dawn]

Contradicting beliefs are actually very interesting and warrant closer inspection.
Because it often comes down to

• it doesn't actually matter, do your thing
• one of them is just wrong
• its a coordination problem that needs to be solved

[rapid dirge]

in my country i'd say im more "centrist" yeah, but compared to like USA and stuff im "far left"

[barren bear]

which country?

[neat basalt]

id argue the only 'right' view i have is having a smaller government reach over us (but thats not entirely right because they seem to like when the government has rights over your body and how you dress in public)

[pliant dawn]

In a dictatorship it often ends with "that belief is wrong by definition" and in most cases it ends up very poorly.

[rapid dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/meanwhile-norway-moose-discord-funny-gif-20579994

[barren bear]

oh lol

[rocky shuttle]

I might generally be more on the left side of things
But it doesn't matter to me because my beliefs are mine, nobody will change them without a lengthy, fair discussion and neither will i try to force my thoughts upon anyone of a different stance

[rapid dirge]

exactly, what you mean is what you mean even if others mean something different

[pliant dawn]

Depends, if it's actually a coordination thing you might want some government oversight.

[rocky shuttle]

I'm one who talks things out
Violence is unnecessary if the other person doesn't get aggressive

[digital sleet]

political and religious discussion for the last 3 hours

[neat basalt]

id rather the government moreso stays out of our personal choices, i should have worded that better. i dont want the government telling me what religion to follow, which religion is right, what medical decisions i can do with my body, who i can date, etc

[digital sleet]

I am surprised the moderators haven’t said no

[neat basalt]

im guessing since its offtopic they a) havent really checked here or b) dont see much harm in it as long as its not becoming hateful

[pliant dawn]

Your personal choices usually don't fall under "needs coordination" though.

[rocky shuttle]

Let's keep going then
Before they nuke us

[rapid dirge]

i mean we (me, isaac and another dude) did start with death and gods and all that

[neat basalt]

they dont, but they continuely intervene in things they dont need to. (im from the USA, so most of my experience with politics and government come from my experiences here)

[pliant dawn]

Unless your personaly choice is something like "I go at red and halt at green".

[rapid dirge]

right

[digital sleet]

the way y’all be tagging at me 🥱🥱🥱😤😤😤🦎🦎🦎🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205981060194893855/1227801555596607498/Kong_Mewing.mov?ex=6629ba4e&is=6617454e&hm=920e70b08cc40db239270158734f0d0a99fff34c56a57520236661bd61ea7a2b&

[rocky shuttle]

That's not a personal choice then, but breaking an agreed upon rule that might endanger yourself or others

[rapid dirge]

i love the flag of liberia

[rocky shuttle]

Personal choices, like choice of clothing, religion (as long as you don't harm others through it), lifestyle (same as with religion) and so on shouldn't be universally controlled by a government

[rapid dirge]

any ideal, lifestyle and choice, shouldnt be limited by a government (unless they are actively endangering other people)

[rocky shuttle]

That's what i said but less overcomplicated
Nice

This conversation took more turns than a road covering every inch of australia

[barren bear]

erm

[neat basalt]

pretty much

we (the USA) were doing pretty well before the 2016 adminstration, and now we're taking many steps back with more steps already planned (project 2025)

[barren bear]

we have VERY good roads thank you very much!

[neat basalt]

georgia used to be known for having pretty amazing roads

now they SUCK

[barren bear]

RAR
built your infrastructure to PUBLIC TRANSPORTS AND NOT MEGAHIGHWAYS!!

CHINA ALREADY PROVED THE MORE ROADS ON A HIGHWAY DOESN"T SOLVE A PROBLEM!!!!

[neat basalt]

I WISH

public transportation outside of the major cities is almost non existent. would you believe i didnt see a public bus until i was 12

[barren bear]

oh wow lol

[rapid dirge]

sad to hear (coming from someone who takes the bus like almost every day)

[barren bear]

it's hard to imagine that
as a euro dude who lived most his life in Australia

[neat basalt]

even sidewalks are pretty rare if you arent in a neighborhood or near some buisnesses

[barren bear]

i hear they just stop

[neat basalt]

THEY DO LOL

[barren bear]

lol

[rapid dirge]

a sidewalk that just stops is weird to imagine for me

[neat basalt]

does australia have HOA's

[barren bear]

HQAs?

[neat basalt]

homeowner associations

[rocky shuttle]

As a european person too
Some roads are really nice, and a lot of remote ones have more holes than a good swiss cheese

[neat basalt]

basically clubs for neighborhoods that decide what you can do with your house lmfao

[rapid dirge]

sounds totalitarian

[rocky shuttle]

That is such a mental concept in my opinion

[barren bear]

no
but we used to have neighbourhood watches

nothing to the extent of proper homeowner assocations

[neat basalt]

its supposedly to keep property value's up but usually its just "your grass is too high" "you cant have that pool in your front yard" "the christmas decorations arent the correct color"

[rocky shuttle]

People being people

Stupidity

[neat basalt]

not that i have to deal with it, i live in government housing. the worst thing we have to worry about is keeping our grill on our back porch

[neat basalt]

HOA leaders are stereotypical karens. infact i believe some of the first karens that went viral were HOA leaders

[rapid dirge]

to keep property value's up
aint the US got a problem with property becoming too expensive, why'd they want it even more expensive

[pliant dawn]

Seems weird, but there are some reasons.
There are legit coordination issues you can solve there and it also seems to be a safety measure.
But as far as I heard most far overreach and end up like Isle community servers with byzantine rules.

[neat basalt]

yes! its called gentrification

rich people upgrade lower class neighborhoods, introduce more buisnesses, raise the property value and taxes, and run out the poor people

[rocky shuttle]

Because
✨Capitalistic profit greed✨

[barren bear]

search up Redfern if you wanna learn about some aussie gentrification lol

[neat basalt]

when i was younger, my grandpa used to shoot his gun into the woods every now and then to hopefully keep the property value down via keeping the rich people out

but he lived in a normal neighborhood built for those in lower/middle class so he was just being crazy

[pliant dawn]

Capitalism gets a bad rep, when it's not even capitalism but corporatism.
For example the concept of "too big to fail" is antithetic to capitalism.

[rapid dirge]

american solution to american problem

[pliant dawn]

Though capitalism does indeed rather horribly when cooperation/coordination is needed.

[rocky shuttle]

Fair capitalism is a fair market, not helping out the biggest corporations and suppressing small ones and people

[barren bear]

fair market
stinky people

[rapid dirge]

Couldnt have said it better myself

[neat basalt]

i follow this one person on tiktok who runs her buisness in more of a socialist model. unlimited PTO, everyone gets paid the exact same depending on profit that year, incredible healthcare, etc

of course pure socialism isnt the solution but god, it seems nice

[pliant dawn]

Production and trade for example are areas where capitalism could shine (but tends to degenerate into corporatism over time) while infrastructure is just not a match at all.

[rapid dirge]

Yeah

[rocky shuttle]

And it correlates with better productivity and employee happiness too!
They are way less likely to exploit the benefits of her business unlike with gigantic corporations that don't care about the state of their workers because they don't get exploited back

[pliant dawn]

From the systems we have seen so far social democracy seems to work best, but it's also very vulnerable to liberalization.

[rapid dirge]

economy aint my forté so i'm probably not gonna be as active in this discussion

[neat basalt]

granted, she only has about 8-12 workers including herself but they all have about a 60-70k salary

her buisness is a fashion buisness iirc

[pliant dawn]

Means it's inherently unstable as soon as we forget why we spend all that money on other people.

[neat basalt]

its not mine either. im more into the human rights part of politics because of my identity and things of that nature

ronald reagan you will RUE THE DAY!!!

(he convinced poor people to pay more taxes and that it was okay for the rich people to pay less LOL)

[pliant dawn]

Liberalization.

[rapid dirge]

politics as a whole as well for me, like i know its important and some things need change, but how to make that change happen i have no clue

[pliant dawn]

It's cheaper.

[neat basalt]

elon musk would have paid 70% in taxes prior to reagan

[pliant dawn]

(For the rich and the government)

[rocky shuttle]

It always depends on what is good for 'the people' and what is good for 'the corporation'
And because corporation controls it will always choose itself

[barren bear]

go back to tribal!
Strongest lead group. We strong. We happy.

[rapid dirge]

elongated muskox would not like that

[neat basalt]

isaac

do they teach about the emu war in school

[pliant dawn]

Elon Musk doing the good work of showing everyone why neoliberalism is wrong and the rich aren't, in fact, smarter with the way they spend resources.

[neat basalt]

i have to know

[barren bear]

no

[neat basalt]

sinful

[rapid dirge]

missed opportunity

[barren bear]

https://tenor.com/view/virtual-sin-forgiveness-virtual-sin-virtual-sin-tiktok-sin-forgiveness-gif-12707700347974879749

[rocky shuttle]

If there is dispute
Argue first
If no agreement
Fight over it

[barren bear]

UK wasn't involved
So we don't learn

[rapid dirge]

might makes right

[neat basalt]

the american in me is always baffled at the idea of different countries having different history courses.

like does the average australian even know who lewis and clark is

like it makes sense ofc, but its still a reality check

[barren bear]

we learn about american history
but we don't really go into niches

[pliant dawn]

Very unlikely the strongest actually lead tribal groups.
Chimps are recorded to get rid of tyrants.

[rapid dirge]

(obligatory not average australian) i have heard the names Lewis and Clark but i aint got a clue who

[barren bear]

sounds like anti-tribal propaganda

[neat basalt]

we learn abit about australian history here too, but not much.

i think the furthest we got into it was the british stealing the land (per usual) and turning it into a prison island

[rocky shuttle]

European here
We of course got the history of our own countries, but also others and the most important thing, different viewpoints from different countries and how the world is connected

[pliant dawn]

No... being lead by the strongest would suck.

[barren bear]

more lies!!

[rocky shuttle]

Tribal, but elect our leader every once in a while

[neat basalt]

tldr; they were some of the first americans to go out west and map out the western part of the USA. they met a native girl (cant remember her name) who helped them quite a bit. they also ate their dogs

[rapid dirge]

i mean yeah, the average american probably doesnt know who my man Harald Fairhair is

[neat basalt]

absolutely no clue

[rocky shuttle]

Well then folks, i need to leave

[rapid dirge]

cya

[pliant dawn]

As far as I know elections weren't all that uncommon in tribal societies.

[rocky shuttle]

Was fun here sitting for 2+ hours

[rapid dirge]

hmm

[neat basalt]

i want to say her name was sequoia but thats also a type of redwood tree so uhhh

nvm it was Sacagawea

[pliant dawn]

Mind you, that's "hey lets figure out who would be boss, what's your opinion" and not "let me secretly make an X on a piece of paper".

[rapid dirge]

yeah

[neat basalt]

naturally the U.S history also massively favors the USA and its allies during lessons about WW1 and WW2, almost trying to justify alot of what they did

infact they completely left out the fact the USA was sending weapons and helping out the UK in WW2 and made it seem like Japan was just being crazy for the attack on pearl harbor

granted, WW2 japan was kind of insane but i dont think that was really the most insane thing they did

nuance was never really taught to us in history. there was 'good' and 'bad'. im guessing its an old relic from the times of the cold war where people were taught to hate communists lol

[rapid dirge]

most countries massively favor their own countries actions in history

[neat basalt]

which makes sense but GOD

[rapid dirge]

nationalism is good for getting people power

[neat basalt]

its like every country thinks its immune to propaganda and then on the flip side, says every country that their country has taught them to hate is riddled with propaganda and blah blah blah

oh 1900's humanity you will RUE THE DAY

[barren bear]

"favours" is a light world

[neat basalt]

thank god i spelled it like favors

[barren bear]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lets-talk-questions-animal-pet-gif-8333765139387877698

[lone star]

[neat basalt]

but i do like how america hates america until someone outside of it hates america and then the INNER PATRIOTISM comes gushing out

yeah we suck but ONLY WE CAN SAY WE SUCK RAHHHHH 🦅 🦅 🇺🇸

[rapid dirge]

"im immune to propaganda, thats why i know [insert country/people] are bad"

[neat basalt]

genuinely how half the USA views china

[lone star]

Ah i hate America!!1 it sucks!!1

“Yeah i agree!!”

NO1!1! ITS THE BEST!1!!1

[neat basalt]

completely ignoring the fact the CIA was BUILT to push out anti-communism/anti-russia propaganda and now does the same to china

[barren bear]

DULCE ET DECORUM EST PRO PATRIA MORI 🦅 🦅

[neat basalt]

omg

you reminded me

that im learning valyrian

from game of thrones (im based)

[barren bear]

lol

[rapid dirge]

i mean i can get behind that, me insulting myself is different from someone else insulting me

[neat basalt]

real

[naive aspen]

I hate the internet

I asked if it was free not if it had a freaking free trial

[shell rapids]

Fallout show is good
Watch it

[naive aspen]

I haven’t played fallout, should I still watch it

[shell rapids]

I dont see why not

It definitely helps to understand what things are, but I don't think it's necessary

[spare cipher]

What is this

[spice gyro]

Timothy

[halcyon sail]

Giant stick insect

[spare cipher]

I couldn’t tell if it was a glitch or a ai

[spice gyro]

It’s a bugged compy lol

[spare cipher]

Ohhh

[vale onyx]

Why do I feel like I was in this picture

[young gale]

Freddy fazbar!!!

[rotund dirge]

the internet is no heavier than a tennis ball

[young gale]

Crocodile pfp!!!

[rotund dirge]

[pseudo cave]

[young gale]

[spare cipher]

It is you 🙂

[placid osprey]

Har har har har har

[vale onyx]

On EU2?

[spare cipher]

Yeah I was Spelkz

[vale onyx]

HAHA! That’s crazy!

[dense field]

"Hunting Horn is just a support weapon!"

meanwhile Hunting Horn:

[robust grail]

Where am I

[rough hollow]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Zl06KZEr5qI

[dense field]

Swan: stretching*
people: omg its a ballerina!

[mystic oriole]

I have something important to share with chat

[dense field]

Daaaaaaaaaaamm

[rough hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-godzilla-shades-glasses-smile-gif-5378804

[cedar crescent]

I love when my wifi card randomly dies in my laptop I love it so much I love having to order a new one I love it I love it I love it

I love having no laptop for a few days during the week when I have college yippee!

[rough hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-brush-cat-pet-sleepy-cat-cat-pat-gif-21145080

[cedar crescent]

This has made my day

I no longer require a laptop

[rough hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/brock-lesnar-destroys-laptop-laptop-throw-destruction100-gif-23291063

fixed

[steel hornet]

What is your favourite pc game guys

[spice gyro]

Isle

[full patrol]

The one that doesn't exist that I want

[dense field]

Deep Rock Galactic, Monster Hunter World, Red Dead Redemption 2

yours'?

[distant nymph]

Difficult choice o: I'm not sure honestly

1-2 years ago I would have said FF14

[dense field]

Wabbit check out my video

Im learning HH to help lobbies 🎷

[young gale]

Escape from tarkov and valorant

[distant nymph]

oh Awesome! 😊
I played some HH too for aw hile, but it's not quite for me >.<

It's a really cool weapon though

[dense field]

It's really great for knockdowns and bonking
I love it

[distant nymph]

I played it for a bit, more than I thought actually o:

But my issue is the music playing >.< I never really got into it

I've been considering giving it a try in Mh:Rise again

I need mh:Wilds >.<

[merry crystal]

WARNING: FRESHLY GROOMED BABY!

[dense field]

woah you played it a lot

i dont have nearly as much xD

[distant nymph]

I don't even remember it xD

---

ALso, I'm in so much mental pain right now

[dense field]

oh im sorry to hear that
hope you feel better soon

[distant nymph]

I just found out Elden Ring has an option, that lets you switch to Keyboard & Mouse Keys to be displayed in game

[distant nymph]

oh xD Nothing serious like that

But I spent like 230 hours Guessing buttons for this game xD because they showed as Controller stuff

[dense field]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-nickelodeon-sigh-phew-gif-5752975

[dense field]

lmfao
at least its over

imma play Elden Ring one day
idk when

[distant nymph]

Yeah xD It's just...I wish I had known earlier

[distant nymph]

It's a cool game 😊 I'm planning on playing through it again with a new character, since the DLC is coming out soon

[shell rapids]

I still haven't beat elden ring :3

[dense field]

ooh
people have been loving Dragon's Dogma too, despite the microtransactions drama

though i dont have the system to play that

[shell rapids]

A lot of the drama is from people who haven't actually played it, as I've seen

[shell rapids]

Get the first one, gameplay wise it's not much different, still very good for its age

[distant nymph]

I hated the Companion system in Dragons Dogma 1 >.<
But it's been many years

[dense field]

a close friend of mine played it
he worships the game basically

[distant nymph]

I'm half-interested in 2, I might take a look when it's in a sale someday

[shell rapids]

I, couldn't get into itz I liked itz it deserves praise just not for me

[dense field]

i just hope microtransactios stay at MHW level for MH Wilds

[distant nymph]

That's fair, yeah ):
The Microtransactions are frustrating, even if the times are not a super important, and I think it's fair to complain about it.
But overall I don't think they make the game unfun.
I get for many people it's a Principles thing, since it's just a very reaccuring bad taste from big companies.
But yeah >.<

[wintry marlin]

Weird how it’s still called “micro” transactions when some games have 50 dollar DLCs

[distant nymph]

I think the main issue I had with DD2, was the whole "One save that you can't delete" thing.
Which was made worse with the whole system banning people from the game when they deleted their save-games too often in their files.

Just from what I heard, I haven't been following this at all! >.<

[shell rapids]

The only thing, I can really say about either game
Os keep female characters away from the trolls

[distant nymph]

Or stuff like Stellaris ):
You get a game for 40€, but ...

[wintry marlin]

[distant nymph]

( still amazing game of course, just something that always scares me away >.< )

[wintry marlin]

Yeah

[dense field]

im ok for some hairstyles being paid
is it really a necessity for a AAA game? thats up for debate

just wanting things to stay at cosmetics and "character edit voucher" level

[distant nymph]

Yeah, same >.<

[wintry marlin]

Overwatch had horrible microtransactions but it’s somewhat fixed now with earning premium currency for free being a thing now, and mythic skins no longer being fomo. But most fps games nowadays are free to play but if you want anything in it you better be ready to pay 20 dollars for each item!

[distant nymph]

meh ):

I think that's a very controversial opinion, but I dislike stuff like that more than a (well done at least) gacha system

[dense field]

Teo appreciation post

love his theme

[shell rapids]

Don't
Make me think about how much money I've spent

[distant nymph]

I can't wait for Mh: wilds >.<

[wintry marlin]

Same

[dense field]

fomo is the bread and butter of those so called "free to play" games

[young gale]

[wintry marlin]

Yeah that’s why I’m so happy it’s no more in ow2

[dense field]

with both War Thunder and Apex Legends, i stood awake countless nights just to get those sweet sweet rewards before time ran out

[distant nymph]

hmm

[young gale]

I just bought jwe2

[wintry marlin]

The apex grind to get something free is ugh hard…

[distant nymph]

I haven't played too many free to play games like that to be honest >.<

[dense field]

THEN THEY INTRODUCED THE SAME THING BACK 2 YEARS LATER

[wintry marlin]

Yea

Haven’t played apex in like a year now

[distant nymph]

I keep considering getting it, but I'm not sure >.<

[young gale]

You just missed a huge sale for all frontier games

[dense field]

i havent for a long time
last time i played Newcastle was "new"

[young gale]

I got the deluxe edition for 17$

[wintry marlin]

Nice! I recently got planet zoo

[dense field]

its surprisingly fun

[distant nymph]

That's okay, I don't mind waiting until the next one!

[young gale]

Oh ok

[dense field]

i didnt know i liked tycoon games before i gave JWE2 a try

turns out managing a park is fun
at least in a game

[wintry marlin]

Same actually or I liked them but not that much

[distant nymph]

I should play Prehsitoric Kingdom again, I haven't taken a look in over a year

[wintry marlin]

It’s way better now

[young gale]

The last time I played apex legends consistently was when they released valkyrie

[wintry marlin]

I’m a filthy valk main…

[dense field]

i hve PK but im waiting for the proper release
i tried it like a year and a half ago, performance was... yeah

[young gale]

I played for like 2 weeks then stopped

I sometimes play a game or 2 here and there

[dense field]

dude i bought her armor with Viper's helmet so fast its not a joke

[wintry marlin]

Same

I just, sadly relate to her in some aspects

[young gale]

The only free to play games I put soooo much time into is Fortnite and valorant

I don't play Fortnite anymore though

[dense field]

this was a bait for all Titanfall fans
and it worked

[wintry marlin]

It sure did

[young gale]

I played Fortnite when they brought back the OG map in like December

[dense field]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-patrick-star-hooks-cheese-gif-21401144

me after seeing that skin

[young gale]

Mmmm cheese

[distant nymph]

The only free game I play like that is Star Rail
Which, in my opinion, has a pretty good monatization system (especially for a gacha game)

[wintry marlin]

I’m still mad all the updating tf2 and stuff wasn’t hinting at tf3..

[young gale]

I like playing games with ranked modes like valorant or apex or fortnite

[dense field]

grow up

[young gale]

Oh my bad

[dense field]

we all had that phase in our lives
you'll grow out of it

[young gale]

Why

[wintry marlin]

I am ngl hoyoverse has pretty ok monetization for Gacha games

[young gale]

5000 hours

[shell rapids]

Some od my friends still play apex

[wintry marlin]

[dense field]

once you hit a certain point, you dont get fun from dunking on people anymore
it feels stale

[young gale]

Oh

[dense field]

19 yo me would dig that still

[young gale]

The only game I still play ranked in is valorant

I've been playing it since the beta back in 2020

I have like 3K hours

(and I still suck)

[wintry marlin]

Todays meal..

[shell rapids]

Only competitive game I permit, is Minecraft hunger games

[dense field]

the only competitive game i play nowadays is War Thunder
i have like another 3000 hours in that

i gave in for coop

[young gale]

My highest rank in valorant was diamond

[dense field]

but im playing War Thunder since 2013

[young gale]

Oh ok

[dense field]

jesus its 11 years

[wintry marlin]

Leaking government info since 2013

[dense field]

[young gale]

I miss playing call of duty cold war

That game was fun

[dense field]

my relationship with war thunder is older than some people

[shell rapids]

Ha
Old

[distant nymph]

They do, yeah!
Though that isn't much of a competition >.< there's so many predatory games like that around.

[dense field]

black ops 2 lobbies

the pit of human misery

[young gale]

Hopefully this years black ops game will be good

[dense field]

you'd get sued today the moment you ushered anything from that era

[young gale]

Black ops gulf war

[wintry marlin]

Mhm

[dense field]

the toxicity
sheesh

but that was the fun part
back in the day at least
now everyone get offended too easily

[distant nymph]

I had a weird League phase for 2 years or so o:

[dense field]

we're at a point where "ill tear your limbs" can be taken more seriously on internet than face to face

[dense field]

never played league
love Arcane though

[young gale]

I was in the top like 40K players on the global leaderboard at one point but then stopped playing

[distant nymph]

But I never saw too much toxicity actually o:
Maybe because I played with friends, and nobody of us took it super serious

[wintry marlin]

Arcano

[dense field]

shush now

[young gale]

Which isn't that high but I think it's better than being in the top 1 million

[distant nymph]

I didn't watch Arcane ):

[young gale]

[wintry marlin]

You should! A new season is coming out this year

[dense field]

hello? 911? yes thats her. send everything

[distant nymph]

D:

[young gale]

I can't wait for this years call of duty

[dense field]

CoD have been ballin since 2019

[wintry marlin]

Same as the last

[young gale]

There's going to be a beta in August I think

[distant nymph]

I never played any CoD o:

[young gale]

The black ops games are good I think

[wintry marlin]

Leonardo what happened

[young gale]

The modern warfares are kind mid

[dense field]

i guess its normal?
it was more of a boys thing
so dont worry

[shell rapids]

Rehab was supposed to be a fresh start

[distant nymph]

maybe, yeah o: I was never one for Shooter ):

Also, Hermitcraft joke to cods:

[dense field]

i started shooters with CS 1.5 at the age of 8

[young gale]

I'm going to grind the leaderboards once the new cod is out. I've always wanted to be placed really high on a leaderboard of a game I enjoy playing

[dense field]

i wish i still had that spirit

[wintry marlin]

Halo was my first introduction to shooters probably

[young gale]

Just seeing my name on a leaderboard makes me feel accomplished for some reason

[dense field]

i cant be bothered by sweating for some reason
i think im broken

you should never give up ideally

[distant nymph]

oh actually! o:
I played Borderlands, that's a Shooter, though not one like CS or CoD

[dense field]

like back in the day, id be STEAMING if some dude kept killing me in The Isle deathmatch map

now i let them bite my ass as i watch it with dead eyes

like "whatever"

[dense field]

i hereby congratulate you for being a part of Borderlands
based game series

I loved playin Maya
one of my friends still have her as pfp since Borderlands 2 came out

[distant nymph]

aw xD

[dense field]

that man never changed

[distant nymph]

Mechromancer for the win 😊

[dense field]

this was a comeback attempt to BL2, ruined by goofiness

[distant nymph]

Yeah >.< same

[young gale]

I haven't checked these stats in a long time

28K deaths

I'm awesome

[distant nymph]

aw xD

More kills though o:

[wintry marlin]

[distant nymph]

Isn't a positive Kill/death ratio good ?

[dense field]

I used to wake up early in the morning practicing nade lineups for each "meta" map in CS

[wintry marlin]

It is

[young gale]

Cringe

[wintry marlin]

Anyways I’ll enjoy my meal now

[dense field]

have fun

[wintry marlin]

I’ll have fun with the food thanks

[dense field]

you cringe 😤

[young gale]

Nuh uh

[distant nymph]

Enjoy your food 😊

[young gale]

I only played like 3 maps on cs

Dust 2, mirage, and inferno

I don't know any of the other maps

[dense field]

Vertigo was so underrated

[young gale]

I played vertigo and underpass quite a bit aswell

[dense field]

i was planning to join a team because i was getting invites but then collage happened

[young gale]

Really those are the only maps I ever played

Until the closed beta thing for cs2 started and it forced you to play other maps

[dense field]

i havent played cs in over a year i think
last time i played i joined to maybe drop the new case for money lmao

but i stopped pplaying it seriously back in 2022

[young gale]

My highschool had Esports and one of the games you can sign up for was valorant

I wanted to sign up but I didnt

Idk why

[distant nymph]

That's neat o:

I mean, that a Highschool would offer something like that

[dense field]

we all start small
wish you did sign up

[young gale]

I really wanted to play valorant and like compete with other schools

We had like tournaments and stuff against other schools

Not just valorant but also r6 siege and rocket leagie

League*

[dense field]

siege was cringe back in the day
shoot someone through bulletholes simulator

[distant nymph]

That sounds cool o:
I'm not much for competitive games >.< so that wouldn't be something for me

[dense field]

but my dumb ass still played it for so long

[dense field]

probably for the best lmao

its so energy draining

[distant nymph]

I did FF14 PvP, if that counts xD

[dense field]

idk how that works but cant be good

[distant nymph]

Aw xD It's a very niche thing in FF14

---

Somehow this made me think of Warden ): Did anyone of you play "For Honor" ?

[dense field]

i have it but never got into it
Warden loves it

[young gale]

I played it a lot with my friend on ps4

Mostly during covid

And everyone wasn't allowed to go outside

[dense field]

i wish i played MHW during covid

instead of sweating

[young gale]

I have I think around 400 hours on ps4 and 130 on pc

Last time I played siege was during the season where they added that Tom Clancy guy to the game

[dense field]

thats a lot for that game lmao
to play that thing for more than 50 hours, you either hve to be good or bad enough to not care about how you play

[distant nymph]

At least you got into it now 😊 It's a fun game

[dense field]

last time i played they added that lady with a scar on her face

with laser fences and stuff

[hazy gate]

war thunder normal hours in like 1k plus

lol

Im at like 3.5 with .5 mostly being afk

[shell rapids]

I still don't have hours in any game on steam past 2k

[distant nymph]

Steam's kind of down ):

But I have like 6300 hours in ff14

[shell rapids]

Maybe if you count cumulative hours of minecryand terraria prior to getting a pc

[young gale]

My highest playtime on any game on steam is the isle

[young gale]

Maintenance day go brrrrrr

[shell rapids]

You should get that checked out my a professional

[hazy gate]

real, same for me

[dense field]

i said i have 3000 but apparently i lied

i have 2400 on steam alone
and i started to play it on steam in 2018
i played on launcher between 2013-2018

[young gale]

Atleast I think it is

[hazy gate]

I have I think 3 to 4 games on steam over 2k hours, but they are prob my top all time faves as well

[hazy gate]

Dang

[dense field]

steam is doo doo atm

[young gale]

I don't think I have any game that's over 450 hours other than the isle

[distant nymph]

My second most played is 1200 hours in Skyrim xD

[young gale]

On steam

[shell rapids]

My most played games on steam are beasts of Bermuda and ark

[distant nymph]

Mhw is nearing the 1000 hour mark

[dense field]

my most played top 3 is unironically the 3 games on my list that i wouldnt recommend to others
CS
War Thunder
The Isle

[hazy gate]

I dont even play the isle that much but Ima huge gamer, spend most of my free time gaming, I already have 160 hours in the isle and its no where near my fave games

[dense field]

does that mean i like torturing myself

[distant nymph]

aw xD

oh, steam's back o:

[hazy gate]

Have like no afk time in the isle either

[dense field]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-liar-anakin-skywalker-anakin-liar-revenge-of-the-sith-gif-18300544

[distant nymph]

hm, I was about to say it's hard to AFK in the isle anyway, but I guess some people do AFK grow o:

[distant nymph]

It loaded for me D:

[dense field]

i afk grew in legacy
i aint walking around with a 90% sub giga

that thing is just dead on sight to anything

[dense field]

https://tenor.com/view/sasha-yakovleva-sasha-cyberpunk-cyberpunk-edgerunners-edgerunners-gif-6324159638249918619

[distant nymph]

It's an MMO to be fair, easy to get many hours xD

[dense field]

hey we have the same font

[distant nymph]

And I'm the person with the least hours from my friends

[dense field]

[distant nymph]

I didn't know you could change the font o:

[young gale]

Most played steam games

[dense field]

font as in the colours
mb!

[distant nymph]

DayZ times were cool 😊

[hazy gate]

really really were

[young gale]

I bought dayz a few years ago but I hardly play it

[hazy gate]

It was a better game back then anyways

But its getting slowly better

[distant nymph]

I'm pretty sure I got it right around when the Standalone Game "released"

[young gale]

I usually just run around pick up a knife then get bored and leave lol

[hazy gate]

lol

Gotta get a gun and food and explore way up north

and find the right server, prob the trickiest part

[dense field]

(i have another 700 on Apex at Origin)

[hazy gate]

what country you play in war thunder

or main

Im japan

[dense field]

uhhh
i dont believe in mains!

[hazy gate]

play the most?

[distant nymph]

I never heard of Insurgency before o:

[hazy gate]

or fave

[dense field]

i play USA, USSR, Germany and Sweden

[young gale]

Sandstorm insurgency

Never played it

I have 120 hours on among us

[hazy gate]

I only play Japan France and USA

[distant nymph]

Aww xD

[young gale]

(mostly public lobbies)

[hazy gate]

the cutest nations

[young gale]

(I don't have enough friends to play among us with so I played in public lobbies)

(don't play in public lobbies)

[hazy gate]

sweden is close 4th

[dense field]

Cutest and USA
hmmmmmmmmm

[hazy gate]

powerful is cute to me

just like deino

[young gale]

[dense field]

i have the whole USA and USSR aviation trees
tanks, i dont have much tech tree USSR ones but i got Moderna etc
USA tanks is at Abrams
Germany is fully spaded on land
Sweden tanks is at 9.0 i think

[young gale]

I think I have like 2000 hours on fortnite

[dense field]

[young gale]

Or something

[distant nymph]

aw xD

[young gale]

☹️

I haven't played it in years!!

[dense field]

actually i take that back, i think i dont hve Leopard 2A7 yet

[young gale]

I can't wait for GTA 6

[dense field]

i dont have a console nor a pc that could handle GTA6 so im not interested

[hazy gate]

I only have USA to like 5.7 on ground and 3.7 air France I own the jagaur E but at like 7.7 air, also for ground have the AMX-30 Super but am at its br at 9.7 with no backups.
Japan is 98% researched because new things keep coming out, but air fully done, ground is the 2% not done

[dense field]

maybe ill play before i die

[hazy gate]

Even have my top tier heli for japan

[young gale]

I bought a ps5 just for GTA 6 when it comes out

Next year

[dense field]

F15AJ is really good

[hazy gate]

you mean AAM-3 missiles are good 🎌

japan made missile

[dense field]

the thrust of F15 is out of this world actually but yeah

[young gale]

Why do I get like pubg vibes from that

[hazy gate]

what about other nations f-15s?

[distant nymph]

I never really got the appeal of GTA o:
Is it the Story ?
Because what else do you do ? o: Drive around ?

[hazy gate]

not super informed on the top tier jets meta even tho f-15 has my best kill ratio

by far

[young gale]

.....drive a car on the beach and kill innocents

[distant nymph]

hm xD

[dense field]

they're all solid
deinitely the most suited aircraft for air rb at top tier, besides Grippen but thats just op

but the thing is that its kit is subpar

[young gale]

It's ok because the beaches in GTA 5 were empty

[dense field]

Story
GTA4's story will break you

[young gale]

I usually just use cheat codes and fight the entire military for 2 hours

[distant nymph]

That's fair xD

[hazy gate]

I have issues locking a grippen while its flaring much more often then other jets, even with aam-3, so yeah that things airframe just works I guess

[young gale]

I think soon they're making older games run on a ps5 like GTA 4 and black ops 1

[dense field]

your periodic flare deployment when my AIM-9M:

9M do not care about it unless you spam flares

[young gale]

Gta4s story takes like 100 hours to complete I think

[dense field]

which makes it the best orbital strike missile

hence those 6 kills people getting with Grippen deez nuts

[young gale]

Well

Nvm

74 hours to complete it 100%

[dense field]

you can mistakenly flare an R73 but you cant do taht to a 9M

[young gale]

Don't listen to what I say

😊

[hazy gate]

Nah nah same thing with aam-3, it will always hit with hard heat lock, but only the grippen effects that, flares just work with its airframe better is my thought

its airframe hides its engines heat better is what i think

[dense field]

its the deployment of flares as well
they drop right behind the engine on grippen
next best drop pattern belong to russians
USA drop pattern is like the worst

[hazy gate]

Very useful to know lol

japan drop pattern in my experience is decent

but I dont get flares till like top tier

[dense field]

you mean american xD
unless thats different

[hazy gate]

Was just saying how I feel about japans flare pattern

[dense field]

no no

i mean

do they drop different from american counterparts?

genuienly curious

[hazy gate]

Oh your right, prob not

lmao

but if they did it would kinda make sense

[dense field]

cause if so, its bad
though if you got by, thats like fine

[hazy gate]

japan does make a lot of changes to imported aircraft

[dense field]

mhm

[hazy gate]

I'd have to haver experience in the american top tier aircraft, i only have the a4-b squadron jet

[dense field]

Su27 is just different though
i played all major top tier aircraft, its that stupid kit that just works

[hazy gate]

which is super fun btw imo

[dense field]

bro can carry 4 ER's

and 2 ET's at the same time

and 4 R73