ai-feedback-discussion

[glad tangle]

But giving them anything to do would be more satisfying than current game.

[glacial hearth]

you said everyone wants hatchlings to be useless, which implies hunting insects makes them useful

I'm saying hunting insects doesn't tie in with hatchling usefulness and could be fun

but you pinged draco before your comment, implying it was about hatchlings hunting insects and saying everyone wants them to be useless

[glad tangle]

Yeah. Because everyone want them to be useless

I didn't say I agree with bugs

[glacial hearth]

yes but you aren't understanding what I'm saying

[glad tangle]

Thanks for assuming, but let me clear it up for you.

[glacial hearth]

*inferring

[glad tangle]

Assuming.

[glacial hearth]

believe what you will

[glad tangle]

Ok, I believe the current nesting/hatchling update side of things is lack luster and needs to have more things for the hatchlings to do.

[glacial hearth]

and I agree

[glad tangle]

Just because I comment to someone and I don't state anything they pointed out except that hatchlings are useless and everyone wants them to be doesn't mean I agree with the total point he was making or trying to make.

[glacial hearth]

look, this is what you responded to, what I'm saying is that hunting insects doesn't make them any more useful but could be fun

[glacial hearth]

I'm sorry but I assumed that you were implying that hunting hatchlings makes them useful ( not the same as fun keep in mind, they can still be fun )

"something fun to do" yes, they do need that, and you are right

[glad tangle]

I think people use the word "useful" where it doesn't belong, and I'm guilty of that.

No dinosaur in this fictional game is useful but instead (fun)

[glacial hearth]

there we go

[glad tangle]

Ok so yes giving hatchling literally anything to do would be fun.

[glacial hearth]

but if that's the case... no we don't? nobody wants hatchlings to be "unfun" we just want them to be helpless

[glacial hearth]

[glad tangle]

You want a playable create to be helpless...that's not "fun" imo.

If that's the case I wanna role play as an egg.

[glacial hearth]

you can make helpless be fun lol

[glad tangle]

How so?

[glacial hearth]

[glacial hearth]

by giving them shit to do but still making them rely on their parents being good parents

[glad tangle]

Well I'd prefer they be able to eat their diets as hatchlings and be more inclined to head to food/water.

The parents would still need to defend them and shelter them.

[glacial hearth]

but don't juvies not require diet? so that wouldn't work

[glad tangle]

Sorry what?

[glacial hearth]

plus, they are so slow that making their animations fast enough to be able to do that would be stupidly disgusting

and people often nest far from both food and water for safety

[glacial hearth]

*prefer they be able to eat their diet, I'm saying juvies don't so it wouldn't make sense

[glad tangle]

Have you ever see baby chickens? They run pretty quick and don't look stupid.

And as for juvis, they do need diet.

People whom nest far away from food and resources should be punished imo. I mean I'm not going to walk into the dessert with my wife because I know nothing will be there lol

But as of now what ideas can be generated into making the hatchling part of life more fun.

[glacial hearth]

have you seen the juvenile utah run animation?

I'll respond to the rest dw

[glad tangle]

No, but man this game has to be able to get over small things like...will this look crazy. Ffs they have "hyper rexes" and "electro spino" lol

[glacial hearth]

juvies can eat anything ( carnis ) and juvie herbis are so much faster than hatchlings because of size so that compensates for it, people nest far from water and food because everyone goes there, the parents are fast and big enough to journey and bring that back but the hatchlings wouldn't be able to

[glad tangle]

But if you add hatchlings acting or looking like awkward little bbys that imo would add to cuteness

[glacial hearth]

oh my fucking god shut it with that crap ( this game has fictional aspects so everything shouldn't act realistically/ not stupidly ) , that's not related in the slightest

[glad tangle]

Well the parents would have to nest close enough to resources and make safe passes to make sure baby's are ok.

[glacial hearth]

sorry if that seems aggro

[glad tangle]

Well that's a matter of opinion. Just like this conversation.

If you don't like it feel free to ignore it.

Sorry if that seems agro.

[glacial hearth]

In the stress test I've seen parents nest very far from resources so their children are safe but they can run to collect resources and run back to the nest

[glacial hearth]

[glad tangle]

Yeah and imo that's super lazy.

[glacial hearth]

what do you suggest to not be lazy?

it seems really cool imo

[glad tangle]

Actually living with kids vs camping at a safe location.

[glacial hearth]

they grow to juvie really fast and that's actually the stage where they're meant to do that so best of both worlds

[glad tangle]

Well as a hatchling...not as a juvi...I think walking/eating/showing baby's things would imo be more fun to play.

[glacial hearth]

so you suggest making them smaller juvies? IMO that seems a bit more lazy

[glad tangle]

They already are but worse lol

[glacial hearth]

exactly, if they were smaller juvies then they would be able to survive fine, but they're not, meaning that they rely on their parents

[glad tangle]

Just because they slap a barf mechanic for feeding them doesn't make the gameplay any better or interesting imo

[glacial hearth]

and making the nesting system just to spawn as a smaller juvie ( that can survive fine ) doesn't make the gameplay any better or interesting imo

[glad tangle]

How? I mean traveling vs sitting in one area.

I'm all for people having different styles of gaming but you'd honestly say you prefer sitting in one area and not do anything at all besides beg for barf.

Versus having to migrate with you're new family and get some food and water.

[glacial hearth]

I prefer the dread and horror of hiding in my nest and relying solely on my parents until I'm big enough to migrate and hunt and search together

[glad tangle]

The dread and horror? Lol

Listen that's nice and I won't say you're wrong for that but I was thinking about what you said them just "being worse juvis".

They are worse than juvi. That's a hatchling, they are smaller and can't do jack crap against anything.

Personally I don't think hatchlings should have attacks unless you're a dieno. They should just yelp and make noise when using attack keys.

But that's all my opinion. I'd rather have the thrill of walking in the grass and having to call for my parents and hope they see me and haven't lost track of me and try to avoid being seen while trying to move with my family.

But that's me.

[subtle pecan]

Just don’t nest in if the hatch stage is unappealing to u

[glad tangle]

Super lazy opinion.

[glad tangle]

If that's the case why update the game or give feedback.

Just don't play it.

[subtle pecan]

You are literally describing the juvi play style for what you want for hatches

[glad tangle]

And you literally just told me to not play as a hatchling.

Great idea, are you sure you don't wanna pursue a career in science or knowledge?

Atleast I'm giving an opinion and feedback.

You're suggesting not playing at all. Not helpful.

[glad tangle]

Btw what's the current playstyle?

A fuckin rock?

[subtle pecan]

Juvi play style is finding a group and traveling with them for protection which is what u said u wanted for hatches. Hatches in nature are helpless think about birds or newborn puppies they do absolutely nothing the first part of their life. It’s the hatch play style if u want to play it as a juvi play style just play a juvi

[glad tangle]

Yeah that's super fun, play as an, imo, unfun creature stage.

I mean if you like the fact you can't do jackshit then thats you baby.

But for me I like the idea of traveling and being with my protective parents and hiding with them and that sort of style.

Btw not all birds are completely "helpless".

Don't know why everyone seems to think that's acceptable as far as gameplay goes.

[subtle pecan]

You don’t like the hatch stage it isn’t for everyone but it is exactly what it is supposed to be not all the Dino’s are helpless either like deino

[glad tangle]

Yeah one out of 5 total creatures. Nice.

And are you a dev? Do you know what it's supposed to be? Because if this is what it's supposed to be I'm greatly disappointed.

From a consumer standpoint and personal as well.

But simply saying don't play it instead of giving feedback is stupid.

[subtle pecan]

U just want the hatch stage to be something that is easily seen in the juvi stage. If you want to play a juvi like Dino just don’t nest in. Ur a feisty one lmao

[glad tangle]

Yeah that's a super waste of hatchling imo.

I mean if you like the current way the "gameplay" is for hatchlings that's up to you.

But for me I find it unfun and uninteresting.

The fact I want the hatchlings to be more active vs just sitting like a rock shouldn't be too unreasonable.

Ur a funny one hehehe.

[subtle pecan]

And that’s fine it’s not for everyone and I completely understand it. I will only be nested in if I’m trying to play with my friends as it doesn’t much appeal to me either however I understand the devs choice in the matter as baby’s are helpless in nature usually and they trying for realism

[glad tangle]

If they are going for realism I highly doubt stego would barf for its young imo.

But all I'm saying is the devs could add a little more to make the gameplay fun, imo.

Now if the devs are saying the nesting is supposed to be just to spawn with you're friends then that's fine and I'll have closure that the "nesting" is lazy af.

Imo

[subtle pecan]

I agree with big Dino barf thing but idk what else the devs were supposed to do tbh.

[glad tangle]

Btw there will be perks to nesting with a family. So it's clearly ment to be something more of a spawn thing.

[glad tangle]

Idk beats me, God forbid baby's from eating stuff besides barf.

[subtle pecan]

It doesn’t match the helplessness the devs were going for 🤷‍♀️

[glad tangle]

The fact the baby's can't defend themselves at all kinds takes care of that.

Thr fact they can eat things other than barf really shouldnt affect too much besides the fact them wanting to travel or move.

[subtle pecan]

U can still move with ur family tho. You just got little legs

[glad tangle]

Yeah but without a reason...why move away?

That's what I'm saying.

I like to call the update Camp/Barf update personally

[subtle pecan]

The hatch stage is short you’ll be movin for diets soon enough

[glad tangle]

Well why not on hatching day?

What does making the baby's able to eat foods have to do with being any less helpless?

They are the size of grapes. They won't be OPAF. HAHA

[subtle pecan]

Cause that’s just a tiny juvi there’s no difference

[glad tangle]

Well it's imo either we make them able to eat and move around or I want the complete opposite.

I want the hatchlings to be completely un movable and I want them to add a egg simulator.

I want the eggs to be playable too since that different from everything in game.

But I guess that's similar to having a broken leg as an adult.

[glad tangle]

I mean come on thr different would be you'd start with a family and be thr size of a dime.

As of now the gameplay of a hatchling is to be force feed barf and wait.

[subtle pecan]

And that’s what the devs want it to be as of now they can’t please everyone. I think it’s a unique idea even if it’s boring to some.

[glad tangle]

It's unique? In what way?

And you don't speak for the devs, so if I'm giving my feedback don't just say..."don't play, you're a feisty one."...Thanks for your consideration but it's my personal view on the matter.

Some think I've got a good idea and others, like yourself, are happy with what is essentially imo the laziest design for a life stage.

Why would they put so much detail into building a nest and warming the eggs if it were just to hatch a baby and barf and hide somewhere.

I'm sure it will be updated eventually, but if that's the overall final plan for hatchlings. Fk this lmao

[subtle pecan]

I look at it as being unique to the parents and I can’t think of another game with babies completely dependent on the parents this unique I’ve never seen so much detail in ways of courting In any other game either. If they were lazy they woulda just slapped legacy nesting into the game

[glad tangle]

I don't have an issue with the courtship, seizure, dance or the fact the parents must watch their children.

My issue is the fact the baby's can't do anything and must wait for barf.

It's a good first attempt, but ffs like you said legacy was the first attempt and this is all we get?

And yeah no other game is like the isle but just because it's nothing like everything else doesn't mean it cant improve further.

[wide vapor]

Dinosaur ai come back PLZ

[shy adder]

I wanted to add, the AI in the Trail-Tether would cross rivers or the edge of swamp. To allow every predator a chance if they can catch prey.

[silver raven]

@wild walrus uh wtf are those stats ?
The weight is over triple the normal weight of a maned wolf, and I'm still looking online for their speed but that seems awfully slow when comparing to grey wolves which can reach 70 km/h

[wild walrus]

balance

the boar is also like 300 kg

[silver raven]

But boars can actually reach 300 kg

[wild walrus]

pardon the language

[silver raven]

What are those numbers about ?

[wild walrus]

not on average though

[wild walrus]

wild boar average weight

male on top, female on bottom

in europe

[silver raven]

Nah, but still I assume a boar living on an island that can support 11-ton giants on a regular basis can probably have boars growing to such sizes quite regularly

[wild walrus]

and it wouldn't support a maned wolf growing to large sizes too?

[silver raven]

A 110 kg maned wolf who cannot go over 43 km/h would be free food to anything
And I don't think modern AI should be free food

[wild walrus]

so what speed would you suggest

[silver raven]

No because boars are made to be able to reach humongous sizes, wolves aren't

60 km/h ?

[wild walrus]

sure

so its only free food for carnos, but its only like 5% hunger so no big deal

[silver raven]

Also 60 biteforce seems insanely high, but if it's not an overly-aggressive AI I guess it... can work ?

[wild walrus]

i considered maybe 40 when writing it

so it 3 shots dryo instead of 2 shotting

[silver raven]

Wait that's 2-shotting dryos
Seems... too high still

[wild walrus]

hm

35?

[silver raven]

Seems more reasonable

Ok so searching on the internet I get top speeds between 55 and 75 km/h

[wild walrus]

damn

[silver raven]

The 76 km/h comes up more often tho

[wild walrus]

so ~70?

[silver raven]

Could do

btw I didn't know the existence of that animal, it's very pretty
And probably the only way we could have a canine in The Isle without it looking out of place

Oh and reduce that weight xD

Though

Now that I think about it our frogs are 5 kg I think ?

Maybe 3

[wild walrus]

maned wolves weigh like 20 kg but that's just make it free food, even for fresh spawns if you know how to dodge

[wild walrus]

yeah it's the only canine apart from maybe bush dogs that would work in this map

[silver raven]

I assume a maned wolf would run away most of the times
And according to the net they're around 30-40 kg on average

That's why I think the weight=hp formula is dumb as hell

[wild walrus]

yeah exactly

it's stupid and makes balance difficult to make logical

[silver raven]

It makes it so you cannot change something's health without also changing
-fall damage
-food intake
-corpse food amount
-grabbing/pinning threshold
-fracture resitance
-blood pool
-CC resistance

How does tying all of these stats to a single value make balancing easier ?

[wild walrus]

exactly, it really just makes it harder lol

[slender aspen]

If i am not mistaken these animals tend to be evasive, with only vegetables, insects or small rodents in their diet. I honestly don't see a good future for these in game since they don't particularly stand out for being strong

[wild walrus]

70 km/h run speed
110 hp stat
only hunts small juvies such as utah juvie that weighs like slightly more than a rabbit
is neutral to everything else
eats more fruit than anything
competes with dryo for food

[glad tangle]

Bro, boars should be the apex of a.i unless they make dino a.i bigger.

Boars are out of control in areas because they are "tough". They reproduce like crazy and literally eat everything they can dig up or fit in their mouths.

But since boars on the isle have to compete with gaints and are basically on the bottom of the food chain they are in controlled populations.

Boars are perfect real world identifiers for The Isle. The fact boars haven't overtaken the wildlife is proof they are kept in check and deserve more respect.

I've made my suggestion for boars on the forum, but basically boars need more love imo.

[shy adder]

@wild walrus @blissful drum Both ya'll just go play WolfQuest, not add maned wolves or german shepherds.. what the heck..

If you add anything interesting, remotely ppl beg to play as it, which is ridiculous. Canine sims are toxic pools worse than isle, just.. wolf/dog roleplay in the isle is.. gross

[blissful drum]

Bruh its ai. Not some dumb playable

Also i loke hiw you focused on just the dog and not the rats, mice, insects, livestock which made up more of that than the dang dog

[wild walrus]

my man its literally suggesting to add it as ai. its a tropical canine that fits the island perfectly. Its not even a wolf lmfao

[shy adder]

@blissful drum The other stuff wasn't the issue.

@wild walrus Even so the animal is a canine.

The issue is the players fixating on it as a playable or something they don't want to kill. Cause "how could you kill a dog?" trope. That or many people will spam to play as a canine. In some way like they did for ptero, compy, etc. And canines don't fit the image coming to mind in the "Dinosaur Survival Horror" game. If they were added with people, like the same faction, I'd imagine 2-3 people with 5 or more German Shepherds which is.. Odd? Not unrealistic, just not the direction of the game.
The maned wolf is a canine, more foxy on stilts. It's diverse and an amazing unique creature. But until the roster is more filled out with dinosaurs, it stands too far out. I'd rather see a prehistoric omnivore with the exact description you have. A new specimen or new niche for an old dino.

[wild walrus]

fun fact: chickens don't fit the dinosaur survival horro game either yet they're here

also i would kill a dog perfectly fine in TI

specially if it attacked me first, which it probably will if i'm a juvie

also how the fuck is it being a canine an issue

[shy adder]

I would too. The issue is other people. Not your niche you've opened

[wild walrus]

you can't control other people regardless, it's part of the game

people also kill basically all AI on sight and that's not wrong

choosing not to kill AI because you like canines is also perfectly fine

i do not see an issue with this, it would not make gameplay worse, it wouldn't ruin immersion and it wouldn't be unbalanced

by the way this game takes place in a modern era so it's also another reason as to why it would make sense to have a generalist omnivore AI

[shy adder]

The issue again, is the wanting-to-play-canines. Even I'd tear a dog up that came for my babies. Some people are very fixated on it, and those RPing that kinda shit is gross. My eyes turn red BS

[wild walrus]

you know what the solution is?

just don't make them playable lmao

[shy adder]

Eventually someone will want to mod it.

[wild walrus]

that is not an issue of the ai nor of the base game

[shy adder]

That's true.

[wild walrus]

hell even without this ai, it will happen anyways

[shy adder]

Ugh furries

[wild walrus]

so true

[shy adder]

Could there be a better dinosaur for the role though? Isn't Galli close to that niche?

[wild walrus]

i guess? it's too big and it wouldn't do a lot of damage with a bite

people can already act like that as a playable and it's not too fun for the dryos

[shy adder]

It'd suck down juvis like noodles

Or hatchlings really

With larger ones not fitting down It's throat

So you'd be.. Kinda ok after a certain size until it drop kicks you.
I see you're saying a smaller creature

[wild walrus]

a galli kick would do like 200 damage

[shy adder]

What about Fruitadens? They look like dryos.. But are out for your blood. (Omnivore)

[shy adder]

Give em a little.. Shaping

Dinos in every game are sized to fit really

A spin on it being that the creatures mirror each other like some poison dart frogs and tree frogs. One trying to be sneaky

Aww little dryo by my nest, oh god no wait it was a mistake ack-

[proven moth]

The “how could you kill a dog?” trope would actually work very well with this game. Similarly to why we have the cute Dinos like minmi and hypsi, it acts as a juxtaposition to the gore and horror aspect.

You might be traveling as a utah, see a dog, and go “that’s a cute dog… but I’m hungry “ and be forced to do something that makes you upset.

It also works to show that the dinosaurs are monsters for humans. You’re traveling in a facility, hearing some odd sounds further off, then you stumble upon a half eaten dog. Which would show that there is a terrible monster nearby and be pretty scary.

[rich acorn]

yoooo that would be so good

[shy adder]

Standard poodles only, I want to eat the pompom

[wild walrus]

i want this

[blissful drum]

This is exactly what i had in mind for my suggestiong

[glacial hearth]

[rich aspen]

[thorny dragon]

@glad tangle That's how ai works in evrima

[glad tangle]

I'm glad to hear it.

[pulsar grove]

add some type of primate AI (monkeys) that live in the treetops, to serve as another type of food specific to the Ptero.

[late reef]

@loud aurora i think you're supposed to mainly subsist off of players at that stage

[loud aurora]

Well I agree at some point, but if only like 40 Players on Server you will start to starve bc you cant find noone. Lets say big AI's could spawn but rarely.

[wild walrus]

@small spear you do know deer have a nearly 360 field of vision and only the smallest dinosaur could hide in the blind spot

[small spear]

There is still grass that will cover you

And I don’t think a deer can see through grass and bushes

[glad tangle]

Love to hear feedback on my suggestions.

[wild walrus]

you're speaking as if your 450 kg+ dinosaur is sneaky enough to not be noticed

[small spear]

Not the adults pal

[wild walrus]

please elaborate on your second last suggestion

[small spear]

the juvies

the grass covers them

[wild walrus]

you're aware a fresh spawn carno weighs nearly as much as a deer?

[glad tangle]

Basically I wanna see them have kids and such at certain times.

[small spear]

and is not the size of them

and what about utahs?

you're not thinking the big picture

[wild walrus]

same weight = same size

[small spear]

not exactly

[glad tangle]

Like I don't wanna see a bunch of baby deer all the time. And if ypu left them alone then the population would increase

[wild walrus]

utah's colors don't exactly camo on the green grass of spiro

[small spear]

After update 5 it can

[wild walrus]

ah i see

[small spear]

and it doesnt matter if you're right behind the deer

also what about boars

goats

[wild walrus]

goats are useless anyway

[small spear]

Still AI

[wild walrus]

they are outrun by anything lol

[wild walrus]

boars have amazing senses of smell

[small spear]

its a game

[wild walrus]

they can sense odors 5-7 miles away

[small spear]

and still

can it smell a sent in time to defend itself

[wild walrus]

yes

[small spear]

among all the other sents

[wild walrus]

5-7 miles away to be exact

but yes, it is a game and i agree with you

just saying this from a realism standpoint, which is indeed less important

[small spear]

especially when we can drink dirt

[wild walrus]

that's fixed

for U5 it is atleast

[glad tangle]

Boars should be the best a.i imo seeing as how they are one of the toughest real world animals alive.

Personally I think boars should compete against burrowing dinos for their burrows. Or they should make their own in tree roots or rubble.

[silver raven]

Yes modern AI are just too weak
Yet some people want them nerfed

[late reef]

I don’t think the ai should pose a significant threat to dinosaurs

Like isn’t the whole point to give juvenile carnivores an engaging way to get food

[rich acorn]

So what should happen when a boar (typically known for being large and aggressive) decides to fight back against a juvi carno or utah?

[silver raven]

Yes, precisely
They should get buffed so they're actually engaging to hunt instead of being free food

[silver raven]

They shouldn't fight against a juvie carno
And if one decides to fight a juvie utah, then the utah should run away

[late reef]

Boar is the only ai which I think should have a fighting chance

[silver raven]

I'm not talking a buff in their combat capabilities

But in their survival capabilities

[late reef]

But even so a couple of juvies should be able to take it down

Maybe yeah

Deer should be nerfed tho imo

Maybe make it so you can sneak up on them if you’re careful

[silver raven]

No they should be faster

But AI isn't developed well enough right now to have immersive detection mechanics

[late reef]

They’re already faster than most juvie carnivores

I mean I think just giving them a limited field of vision would be good

[silver raven]

They should be faster than most, if not all adult carnivores
So you actually need to ambush them in order to kill them, or tire them out

[late reef]

Maybe, but right now it’s impossible to ambush them because they have 360 vision

[glad tangle]

Deer shouldn't be in The Isle imo, island deer are typically small and kinda rare.

If we're talking about a regular white tail deer or something similar then deer should be sound based detectors.

I mean sure if a.i spots you in an open field then it should run, but if a juvi raptor sneaks up on it I'd say it should get fairly close to them.

Also deer and other animals of thier nature are easily attracted to things, so I can see dinos using the environment to their advantage.

Like raptors biting/shaking bushes to push a.i prey to where others are or making berries/ fruits fall and having a.i attracted to it.

[wild walrus]

a deer could very well kick a juvie carno and give it a concussion or something

[late reef]

yeah im not advocating for realism im advocating for what's the most fun

imo, fights should mostly be only pvp

[wild walrus]

@vapid pagoda what do you mean by caravans

[vapid pagoda]

Carnivores*

I'm not good at spelling

~>

I'll go try to fix it

[wild walrus]

ah mb haha

[wispy hound]

It doesn't need a 1 2 3 option, they are just general ideas

[wild walrus]

@glad tangle this would only work if you use record sizes for said fish, because your average alligator gar could only prey on anything juvie utah sized or smaller

[late reef]

@wild walrus i kind of got the vibe the ai's were brought there by AE. maybe that's just me tho

[wild walrus]

same, i just feel it doesn't stand out as much

feels more natural, which is the point of the AI

[silver raven]

I don't see why anyone would import deer to a tropical island tho
They're wild animals
You don't bring wild animals to feed dinosaurs, there are goats and cows who are there precisely for that purpose

[wild walrus]

yes, so it should be a tropical species of deer

[primal stratus]

Do frogs give like, NO FOOD?

[silver raven]

What are you playing as ?

[glacial hearth]

depends, to a juvie utah it's a buffet, to an adult deino or carno it's hardly a snack

[primal stratus]

As a brand new baby deino they give like, nothing

[next furnace]

So how is the AI situation with this update? can you find any or still a mission impossible?

[rustic totem]

It was never a mission impossible if you knew the spots

[next furnace]

i remember from past update that it was something like: they spawn with server reset and when they all were killed, good luck.

Hope this is not the case anymore and you just need to know where to search for them, like you said.

[glacial hearth]

probably explains why it ain't on it's diet then

[gleaming sundial]

It giving no food isn't really related to diet
Carno has bloody dryo and deer under one nutrient and one is never played and one is in the jungle you can't see in and can't run openly in lmao

Ike I don't see why Carno has deer over boar which live where the carnos are better off, and utahx who's way better at traversing the forests, doesn't have deer.

[late reef]

Deer live in plains too

But they are way to small to keep the nutrient maintained

[gleaming sundial]

They don't live in the plains. You can see when they spawn they spawn in forests, but they can wander into the plains.
Either way the nutrient is empty usually cause deer provide little and dryo basically doesn't exist lol

Also deer really aren't very common at all. Mostly just goats everywhere

[gusty geyser]

@thin goblet open the screenshot, that mass of silver next to the tree is an AI school of fish flying in the air lmao

[late reef]

@glad tangle why not hunt players?

Yeah so check hotspots

Where were you nested

Yeah, no one really hangs around there much any more. I’d reccomend being closer to big rock or the dam, those are the 2 best places to find herbis (and I’ve also noticed a lot of ai by big rock)

[wild walrus]

@gaunt mural the weight change applies to all playables, boar has less hp, and AI shouldn't always be available

it's a survival game, if you starve, you starve

[late reef]

An area in the northwest plains

There’s a big rock next to a river and a waterfall

Lot of people there usually

I don’t remember the coordinates off my head tho

[gaunt mural]

oh. i see. but still a 80% utah can get very hurt from a boar.
AI was fine on U4, now its just hard to fill ur diet. theres no fun in looking for one specific AI for like 30 minutes.

[wild walrus]

indeed

[late reef]

Honestly the diet system for carnivores is kind of fucked because there’s no specific places to find different animals

[gaunt mural]

its super unfun to me, i feel like im the actual AI because im limited to being somewhere in the map

so other players can just come and look for me

[late reef]

Yeah I haven’t gotten the chance to play yet but I’m worried that having to diet past 25% will be really difficult

[gaunt mural]

u mean 25% growth?

[late reef]

Yeah

It said that in the patch notes

[gaunt mural]

oh, they lowered?
i mean, it could be ok as juvies have a lot of stamina and speed but not everyone is skilled enough to for example kill a boar as a juvie utah

not to mention if u miss its a one-shot....

[late reef]

Honestly I find boars pretty easy as utah because they can’t hit you when you’re pounced

Baby carnos hunting boars is very tough tho

[gaunt mural]

yeah its easy, but the game supports new players aswell and they might not get how the game works
agh imagine a juvie carno running after a deer for ages....

[wild walrus]

a juvie carno's charge outruns a deer

[late reef]

Yeah but it takes a while to stop and you can’t attack while charging

So the deer gets destunned like 50% of the time before you can bite it

It’s possible to kill, but really annoying

[wild walrus]

because the charge itself is an attack and does damage

[late reef]

Oh I’m dumb lol

Still it takes a while to kill it

[wild walrus]

charge does damage even without CC, but ye its fine

[late reef]

Lots of charging it then turning around trying to get a bite in before charging after it again was my experience

[wild walrus]

yes

@bold urchin boars are aggressive to everything irl, regardless of diet

[bold urchin]

Yes, but not to the degree where they will chase you to the ends of the earth

They should definitely give chase but not nearly as long as it lasts in game rn, especially since it was only proximity that triggered it

[wild walrus]

they stop chasing you after you're far enough from them

[bold urchin]

how far is far enough? I ran a good while (like 5 minutes) only to end up being chased still

[wild walrus]

how fast were you

[bold urchin]

Baby tenonto, so not the fastest but not stego speed either

[wild walrus]

so ~27 speed?

[bold urchin]

I ran through forest just to make it more difficult to catch up

Yeah just about

[wild walrus]

dunno probably a bug then

usually if you get enough distance between you it stops

[bold urchin]

Yeah, this is my first run in with a boar since the update, ill see a little later if its the same case

[glad tangle]

Sometimes the boar ai bugs and follows you to the ends of the earth

Never loses aggro

[quick mortar]

will they add more dino ai

???

[thorny dragon]

Yes

[bold urchin]

I’ll prolly delete the feedback and file a bug report if I come across it again then

[glad tangle]

Yeah that would be your best bet

[past monolith]

fish schools be flying lately

[chilly wind]

anyone else feel like the servers despite being full feel emptier compared to update 4

[wild walrus]

because there's less hotspots

the few remaining ones have less people than before

[chilly wind]

i actually also think the nesting mech, means you have like a lot of people as babies so they are all stationary

maybe should up server pop to 150

[late reef]

Not exactly something they could do on a whim

I think if the devs could make stable 150 slot servers they would have done it by now

[late reef]

@vernal jackal you can scavenge corpses or group up with adults

Nesting makes it easier since your parents can get food for you

[vernal jackal]

Not when there’s no food to grab.

[glad tangle]

@late reef the problem is that your suggestiom does not solve baby starving problem

For babies to be fed that adults would need to be fed too

[late reef]

Adults can hunt players

[cedar merlin]

Hopefully they can address the lack of food in the hot fix.

[cedar escarp]

Whats going on with the AI.

I have found one frog. A few random elite fish. A few FLYING swarms of schooling fish. Thats it.

[cedar merlin]

new patch nerfed ai spawns a bit

happens quite a bit

[cedar escarp]

Oh. Well guess that is to expected lol. Cant develop a game without a bug here and there

[frosty flower]

"""""a bit""""""

the ai is more exctinct than the dinos were playing as

[royal hawk]

@glacial hearth Yeah I don't know what made them think adding in a new feature that makes you slow down, stay in one are for an extended period of time while also reducing food values, hunger tick mass, and ai spawns was a good idea.

[molten haven]

-Schools of fish now fly
-Massive frame drops and ping spikes everywhere
-Water textures clashing in certain rivers
-Deinos still have the old water texture attached, making them easy to find if you know what to look for when they swim. And no, you don't see it when they're near the surface, you see it when they swim period.
-Official servers in particular not only do not give an accurate player counter, but the ONE time I joined I left immediately. The game was running at 700+ ping and unplayable. For reference, this wasn't even an hour ago.
This is just the bug side of things and what I have personally observed. This doesn't take into account the changes made for the worse that came with the update.

[glacial hearth]

[cedar escarp]

Yeahhh i dont even know how to get the fish out of the water anymore as ptera now that the schools fly

As for the ping, im resting flat on 300 ping and max 20 frames if im lucky

[shy saffron]

My carno just starved, I went from swamp, to center, to NW all in 30 minutes. I managed to survive on 25% hunger for a while but eventually starved. There were 30 people on the server. All I found were 2 deinos and 2 chickens. I’m not sure what they did to the AI but they really need to undo it. AI already didn’t give you a lot of hunger, so why reduce the spawn rates?

[real moss]

I was an Juvie Utah and tried to get some food... Nothing else was there, I've only found an Juvie Peet that was so good like completely eaten and one compy. Could you make

a bigger spawn rate that Juvie and Sub Carnis got a better Chance to get food

And could you make, that AIs must drink and eat (maybe they eat the food of other Herbies, what's an reason for Herbies to got scared of AIs) and they got Stamina, so they can't run for centuries and they can die by hunger and dehyrdating?

[glad tangle]

Hello. Could anyone tell me how to find food? I'm holding down sniff for 12 seconds and I can't find anything and I'm always starving. I can only smell water.

thanks if someone explain me better, where is north, etc.

[rich acorn]

As the game is right now, you can only smell corpses of ai and players. Whatever is on your diet should appear as the three hexagons, S, or = on your compass. Blood appears red.
There are two reasons you can only smell water:

1. You are too far away
   But the more likely option is:
2. When you spawn you have some of all 3 diets which gives a buff to your scent range. If you have 2 this scent range is smaller, same for 1, and if you have 0 nutrients it is smallest.

So the most likely reason you can't find food is that you are missing nutrients which means you can't smell as far as you normally would.
But what you are doing is correct - the longer you hold the sniffing key, the farther you smell, so you simply need to move, smell, and pray.

Hope this helps! :)

If you play as a carnivore you have to look for where your food is. Pressing tab and looking at the diet requirements gives a general range for where they spawn. You can also spot them from afar if you're flying or if the grass hasn't rendered in yet: most food like deer or chickens will be a light spot.

They also really tuned down the animal ai spawn rates so good luck finding anything. We're all struggling

[glad tangle]

You say "Pressing the tab and looking at the diet requirements gives you a general range of where they spawn" my question now is, there it says the location, but the problem is getting there, how to do it? Yeah, I also noticed that the fish in the rivers decreased after the update.

[glad tangle]

Thank you very much

[rich acorn]

When you smell you may notice a wavy line. That is the compass. There is a part of the line that points up - north, and another part of the line which points down - south. In between are west and east although they are not labelled, you kinda have to guess.
Usually following a river is a good idea. Hopefully there is a map online you can look up (specifically for update 5) and that should help a lot.

[glad tangle]

Thank you so much, you've helped me a lot, some things I'm still missing, and I've been playing this for 3 weeks, but food is very difficult to find, and when you find it... There are always adults to devour us. xD

[rich acorn]

Exactly XD
And you're welcome! The Isle isn't very friendly when it comes to explaining how to play the game...

[glad tangle]

Yes, we could have some indications, and support to understand some basic things, and then yes, then we should be released to "death" xD

But thank you very much, as soon as I have more questions, I will. 😛

[rich acorn]

Feel free to ping me! I'll reply asap if I know the answer >:)

[glad tangle]

Just a question, it seems to me that in some official servers there are some "professional" utahs, I don't know, there are so many and they make beautiful plays. Do you know if you have any discord where I could interact with others?

[glad tangle]

For sure! :p

[rich acorn]

I'm not sure, I guess your best bet is playing Utah until you find one of them and getting into contact that way

[glad tangle]

Ok. Thank you very much

[rocky trellis]

Youre having that issue too?? I have horrible lag spikes in northwest and parts of coast, every other game is around 45 ping for me but the isle is shooting up to 300

[cedar escarp]

Yeah the newest update was good but all the issues it brought forced me back to legacy. Can hardly even play evrima at this point. If your frames and ping don’t kill you then the lack of AI and swift hunger/water drain will.

[rocky trellis]

Ong legacy runs so, SO much smoother and i wish the lag would just be fixed because its the reason i cant even hunt anyone
Then theres also the flight and jump bugs and ive lost my pt more than once because i got the bug mid flight

[zealous ingot]

my 5 pteras that have starved to death flying across the map looking for fish says otherwise, the only fish that are spawning are the elite fish and schooling fish seem to just be entirely broken, not like people can really fly effectively anyway with the frame rate drops because they fixed what wasnt broken by adding new lighting.

[turbid fog]

The fish spawns are broken i skimmed most of the river and did not find one single fish

[tidal mesa]

No boar spawn at NW for 40m

[rocky trellis]

There are some hotspots that i know that normally have fish but other than that finding fish is difficult

[zealous ingot]

cant catch them though because theyre floating above the water most of the time and the game just doesnt register them when skimming

[rocky trellis]

Ive had that issue but got lucky since i still managed to catch a couple 💀 i really dont understand the point of dropping ai when they add nesting because now theres not enough food for hatchlings

[zealous ingot]

aye i guess you can still catch them, unless youre in too open of an area with lots of light and you get a frame rate drop lol, considering playing deino just so i dont have to deal with the lighting on the surface

[rocky trellis]

Its still possible to catch them but its not easy, especially with this lag and lag spikes in certain areas, it just gets frustrating

[zealous ingot]

i think im right there its some problem with the lighting in mostly open areas

[glad tangle]

A friend told me the fishing spot is actually somewhere below the flying fish and you should still be able to catch them

Its a shot in the dark to just skim the water for 20 minutes trying to find it but it beats finding a crab

[zealous ingot]

ive no sense of direction so ive not even found the coast yet lol

[queen gulch]

Lmao can't even properly player Evrima as a baby carnivore cause there's no AI

Guess I'm maining Deino until they fix this

[rocky trellis]

Im maining pt and dryo until its fixed, i keep getting cannibalized and anywhere where i used to find ai just isnt there now

[vernal jackal]

@late reef You have to be a herbivore player, because if you actually played as a carnivore after this update, you would not be saying that.

[late reef]

I have a fully grown carno lmaoooo

And utah

Have had no issues with food

[viral anchor]

have u seen the biblically accurate angels?

[viral anchor]

same here but i kill a lot of player usually

[zealous ingot]

Just saw this in general feedback, how much does everyone wanna bet this is where the ai is going if the spawns arent broken? I doubt they're able to drown so the ai in its effort to hide picks the locations with the least amount of player activity, glitching itself into inaccessible caves far off corners of the map near the border and apparently the fucking ocean, the ai needs to have needs and it needs to be stupider, or my suggestion if an ai is out of line of sight of a player for too long it dies, but I guess also gonna have to give it the ability to drown.

[undone shadow]

Ai scarcity is a real problem. I've raised a few carnivores and by far the land species, Utah and Carno, have the worst of it. There are three solutions, don't play on low pop servers, log out when the pop gets too low to sustain you, and die and start over eating your own body. Ai was doing a lot better before update 5. That was at least able to give carnivores a reason to battle over resource-rich areas of the map.

[late reef]

Yeah exactly, people are just salty they can’t survive entirely off of ai anymore

[alpine thorn]

I play on generally low pop servers usually and I’ve only managed to survive as a utah by spawning by the beach and raising myself off of turtles before I went off to hunt ai/players mainland

Cuz otherwise I could barely EVER find rabbits or chickens to hunt as a fresh juvi

[zealous ingot]

I have a sandwich so you cant be hungry fallacy.

[late reef]

Yeah but the difference is everyone has a sandwich

You don’t have to play on low pop servers

[alpine thorn]

that's just annoying tho, you shouldn't be forced to play in servers with more players just to survive

ai is fun to hunt when you can actually find it..

[zealous ingot]

My point is because you got lucky enough to find the ai where it's been hiding where its overturned senses don't detect players doesn't mean people are just being whiney.

[alpine thorn]

also when 99% of people think it's too few ai.. MAYBE.. just MAYBE, it is too few ai?

[late reef]

I didn’t find ai. I scavenged corpses and hunted players.

[late reef]

Yeah, I wouldn’t be opposed to having more ai when less people are on

But I think one of the things that makes idle interesting is that carnivores have to attack other players to survive

[zealous ingot]

and if youre going to the its a pvp game argument well played i agree, so encourage people to hunt players without wiping out the ai, make players give more nutrients than ai creatures things like that.

especcially if said player herbivore has a perfect or good diet

actually thats a good idea imma think on that and offer that as a feedback suggestion, herbivores with a perfect diet should give a good amount of the primary nutrient they provide for your diet but also a percentage of all other nutrients

that would encourage players to hunt players more and the devs wouldnt have to nuke the ai into oblivion or overtune their senses to the point where theyre swimming in the goddamn ocean to hide from players

[late reef]

Tbh the one problem I see with this is that there’s no way to tell if a player has a good diet or not by looking at them

But other than that good idea

[zealous ingot]

well general behavior if their first response is oh shit i gotta run despite them being an adult and not being scarred up theyre probably not doing too well, but if theyre confrontational then they clearly have a reason to be, confidence.

[barren meteor]

@regal folio the flying fish is known and no wtf is that bug

[regal folio]

Dunno, just experienced it today. I had to safe log to fix it.

[barren meteor]

never experienced the invisa feesh

and there are ripples still they are just less abundant now

[zealous ingot]

@vernal jackal i put that in another channel for a reason, because its more of a balance issue than an ai issue.

although it does affect ai granted

in that if it were implemented ai could safely have their senses tuned down to where they dont hide at the corners of the map and in the ocean just to escape player detection and the spawn rate could be brought back up to pre update 5 levels.

because well why would you go through all the effort of hunting 3 creatures when you could just go after a player dinosaur that is of a species on your diet list

unless of course you're scared or don't want to take the risk of facing down a healthy creature in its prime

if thats the case well get running because you have some hunting to do.

[tired igloo]

its a walk starve die simulator at its current stage ai is barely present, it sucks

[late reef]

hunt players or scavenge corpses lol

[dark fulcrum]

you just keep spamming dislikes on posts complaining about lack of AI lol
glad you get so lucky with scavenging or hunting players as a tiny juvi, but this isn't the case for the rest of us, bud

[late reef]

its literally so easy pal

go to center and run around till you find a corpse

always works for me

[dark fulcrum]

majority here disagree with you, all I gotta say. but keep spamming those Xs

[late reef]

im just sharing my opinion no need to be hatin

[dark fulcrum]

you’re hating on every post about AI here lol

we heard you. you disagree. you get lucky

[late reef]

like i said just sharing my opinion, i think its better for the ecosystem of the game

if putting an x reaction on the dozens of "increase ai spawns pl0x" posts is spamming then so is putting a check reaction

[dark fulcrum]

you know those corpses you keep magically finding are probably there bc they starved lol
you’re just taking advantage of the bad situation

[late reef]

i mean if 10 times in a row is lucky ok bud

idk why you even feel the need to get mad at me over this

[dark fulcrum]

“better for the ecosystem” there are gigantic herds of herbivores completely uncontested now but ok

[late reef]

no they're there because the field i was in was literally just a bunch of carnos, utahs, and a few deinos in the river and they were all fighting lol

[dark fulcrum]

im not the one putting 🧂emojis on complaints about AI

[late reef]

"THERES NO FUCKING FOOD,FIX THE BLOODY AI ASAP!" seems a bit salty to me

people have used the salt emoji before its not a new thing lol

[dark fulcrum]

idk I just think it’s weird this is the hill you’re actively dying on at the moment, but whatever, agree to strongly disagree

[late reef]

you're literally the one who felt the need to start this argument lol

[dark fulcrum]

yeah and I’m ending it. so what lol

[late reef]

aight cya bud ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dark fulcrum]

[meager hollow]

not gonna lie I’m still seeing plenty of deer running around, 3 in one grassy field and even on the beach

but I haven’t seen a boar since the nesting update

[thick crest]

yeah i feel like their spawn rates have flipped or something. i used to see nothing but boar, but now ive seen 3 deer and maybe 2 boars (both of which disappeared after like one or two bites as a 70% carno)

[reef pivot]

I wandered into the south side of center by old oasis pond with my teno family and there was literally 4 deer all the way around it. Why can't I find AI like that when I'm carnivore? Then 10 minutes later we got swarmed by 15 utahs.

[zealous ingot]

aye deer are about the only creature that still seem to relatively consistently spawn, but as a carnivore they must see through foliage and rocks or something because their senses are so tuned up

[slate wedge]

deer have esp

[meager hollow]

which is a good thing because they give more food than the pigs

[wild walrus]

no they dont lmao

deer give like half the food that boars give