balance-feedback-discussion

[placid reef]

resting spots should exists for everybody not just climbers

[dusky surge]

i dont think mimicry would be all that useful for ovi. It doesn't make the parents leave the nest, and if they do, they'll be coming for you (with your very limited combat capabilities)

[analog mirage]

Why go for the eggs when you can pounce the adult pteras -Herrera

[half girder]

juke them out and grab the egg ez

[placid reef]

if they hear a utah, or whatever else mimicry can do they'd be more unease, and if both troo and ovi have it they cant know which one it is bc only one is more of a threat

[dusky surge]

With a heavily pack-oriented nocturnal predator with venom, mimicry makes more sense. Lure someone into an unfavourable environment, distract them from your packmates and attack before they know what's happening. Even better if they can't see you through the darkness

[half girder]

u underestimate the dryo teachings

[placid reef]

so distracting parents from the nest to get the oportunity to snach an egg doesnt fit?

[dusky surge]

except they'll see you and book it back to the nest and bodyguard it

So the only thing you're stealing are dryo eggs when you scare them with a utah call

[placid reef]

you're saying that like ovi will just mimic and show itself like its the Joker or smth

[dusky surge]

also there are two parents. More than likely, one stays at the nest, the other goes to search

[placid reef]

better than 2

bc then ovi will have like no way to get to a nest

[half girder]

since i know the map pretty damn well i’ll know where troodons are

[dusky surge]

how???

[analog mirage]

People can literally just bring there friends over to kill Troodons

[dusky surge]

what does knowing the map have to do with knowing troodon locations lmao

[half girder]

no like

if they try to lure me somewhere

[dusky surge]

cool but they might not have friends. Nests are almost GUARANTEED to have a group of 2 or more

[half girder]

i know most jungles well and log locations to get them stuck

[dusky surge]

wouldnt jungles be better for the troodons

very hard to see them

[half girder]

you’d think that

[dusky surge]

and with night vision, you'll more than likely get lost

while they can keep the hunt going

[half girder]

noppers

[dusky surge]

i feel like you're over-selling your own abilities

[half girder]

im quiet the try hard is all

[dusky surge]

when you lose a good level of vision, you can become lost in familiar locations

regardless of how well you know it

[half girder]

even with legacy shit nv i always knew

[dusky surge]

doubtful lmao, and troodon will still have the advantage

[half girder]

you’ll see videos of us wiping the floor with the little dudes

[dusky surge]

okay, the little dudes will probably play like dogshit but sure

[half girder]

90% of isle right there

[dusky surge]

i've watched people wipe the floor with utah as carno in U5. Doesn't mean the utahs were good

[half girder]

more rag dolls too

-50fps

[dusky surge]

ragdolls seem way more optimised now in my experience

[half girder]

bahah

im uploading a video of insane rag dolls soon

one dropped me down to 5fps

[dusky surge]

ragdolls seem way more optimised now in my experience

[half girder]

do u pvp a lot or explore around the map?

[dusky surge]

both

i get bored of hotspots easily

fighting in the same spot over and over again is just lame

[half girder]

yeah

stegos that are already over powered in current balance using cuddle rock or damn still

sad times

[dusky surge]

i like U5 because the main hotspots have died out because of the lack of safe water

[dusky surge]

but the difference is, because the safe water there is gone, so is everyone else, and the stegos get to be lonely up on their rock while everyone else does shit, so im fine with that

one less stego to worry about

[half girder]

but my lipids

i want stego in tummy

[dusky surge]

i just kill pteras, dumb bastards basically let me kill them lmao

[half girder]

killed like 5 stegos yesterday

[dusky surge]

pteras need to learn that they aren't a pvp class or a quetz and will get fucking clapped by any utah that decides they don't like them

[half girder]

they bucked but didn’t hold it

still too so damn long

[dusky surge]

i also think i figured out why carnos are so mad at utahs

every single fucking one i've faced does not know how to buck

they just fucking let me bleed them out

[half girder]

yes

i rem killing one with bites lol

not a full adult

[dusky surge]

I got a complete pounce on a carno and the fucker proceeded to SPRINT AWAY, SPRINT BACK AND THEN SPRINT AROUND TRYING TO HIT ME WHILE MISSING EVERY SHOT LMAOOO

he just fucking died of blood loss

[half girder]

old ptera actually being worrisome to the herd or pack and not a boring as rp farmer

[dusky surge]

ptera is still fun to me

i prefer it to a discount quetz lmao

[half girder]

quetz better be able to take on juvies

[dusky surge]

actually need to be careful of shit rather than a complete bozo who thinks he can 1v1 anything

also ptera out here rocking the most insane weight to biteforce ratio in the game lmao

if quetz follows suit we're all fucked

[half girder]

then they complain about it

[dusky surge]

yea

kinda sad

while i do think the bleed nerfs were silly, carno can still fuck up utah packs

[half girder]

bleed nerf is fine tbh

[dusky surge]

specially in groups of 2 or 3

[half girder]

u should be ambushing anyway

not brawling much

can’t wait to play carno again with a grp

[fiery ruin]

U guys think the Utah population is to high since their is nothing to counteract them

[half girder]

yes, well kinda

carno packs can take them out given the carnos have brains to coordinate an ambush

or the 1% of pachy players

[dusky surge]

tenos also slap overconfident utahs into oblivion, but that relies on the utah starting that engagement

[half girder]

i haven’t really fought many tenos, just friends

but i think a good teno can take on like 4-5

[dusky surge]

deinos, tenos and stegos are still three big bads to utah
carnos and pachies are more manageable, but one played well can still turn a utah into paste

[half girder]

more like a sponge for pachy currently

fractures are pretty dumb rn after some testing

very inconsistent

unless the isle is nice to u

also

baby stegos are immortal in water

to pachy ram

i’ve gotta try carno charge next

[dusky surge]

thats funny but also completely meaningless since pachies have no real need to kill stegos so not a big deal

[half girder]

i love killing them

doing gods work tbh

hope we get to next time we play

[dusky surge]

i let baby stegos vibe as a herbi because they'll probably die to the next utah that sees them. Also they're fucking hilarious and adorable

[half girder]

i never pass on a killable stego

unless i see the skin and it’s some one i know

[dusky surge]

honestly i just think stegos look so damn cool roaming around as adults i honestly dont care that much about them

[dusky surge]

thats kinda cringe ngl

kill them all if you're going to

[half girder]

cuz my frens are based stegos

[dusky surge]

i just dont play stego

stego is so remarkably inoffensive to me that i find it funny how riled up people get over it

[half girder]

i like seeing stegos take up server slots that could be more utah or carnos to fight

[dusky surge]

i'd rather more stegos to a pile of carnos or utahs

carni central is my least fave isle experience

stegos at least look cool

[half girder]

that’s gonna be the game anyway

was it in legacy

[dusky surge]

legacy fucking sucked and very clearly favoured carnivores

[half girder]

pachy slowly going down that road, utah.. well

and carno idk

[dusky surge]

ambush speed, walking scent, generally outright better stats per size tier, bleed. Even the only characters with NV and fractures were carni exclusive. Why the fuck play a herbi

Legacy was so clearly carnivore favoured it was sad

EVRIMA actually gives herbivores unique shit to do. Pachy has fractures, teno has a plethora of attacks and soon we'll see dryo and hypsi have their own unique abilities, with hypsi being arboreal

you aren't given free shit for being the carnivore class

or at least, not nearly as much

[half girder]

dryo is so op rn in the fun department

im readying my nest raiding skills with it

i juked 2 utahs and broke a nest

one did hit me cuz of ping though

got me scared

[slim dragon]

If I die to a 8 utah pack (not all full adults) as a 50% teno, does that mean I'm bad ?

[half girder]

yes

[slim dragon]

bruh

[half girder]

kidding dude, that’s death lol

that’s actually impossible especially at fresh sub

[slim dragon]

I had a river close by to evade them, but it was actually too thin, the adults could jump over it

[half girder]

yeah that’s shit luck

[opal tapir]

Is it same by you? My the isle won't show me my coordinates and my nest coordinates, i didnt looked if its fixed by the new update 5 but before a re-start didn't helped 😦

[grim nacelle]

how was what propain said salt lol? a young stego should definitely not be two-shotting adult carnos

[opal tapir]

same

[slim dragon]

Yeah it would make much more sense if it one-shotted them, but for balance reasons carnos can survive one hit

[grim nacelle]

i hope you are not serious because a small stego should not be killing full adult carnotaurus' in two hits

[opal tapir]

Yeah, I think in reallife, a carno didn't survived the spikes of an stego in his brain

[slim dragon]

Well I don't think it can

Or the stego wasn't that small

[zenith vessel]

Who says every hit was to the brain?

[opal tapir]

could be$

[grim nacelle]

juvi stego is surprisingly strong

[opal tapir]

or heart lol

[keen plover]

The carno could have? idk knocked the stego over

[zenith vessel]

Stego is just a bit too strong atm, obviously when bigger carnivores come out it will fall behind but that wont be for a while

[grim nacelle]

maybe it did, but it didn't manage to kill it

[golden coral]

Isn't it good that stegos can fight back though, it'd encourage them to be out and about more

Not like they can run from any predator, so if we make them weaker to later in life, we're just encouraging them to afk even more?

[grim nacelle]

nobody said stegos shouldn't be able to fight back. it's just silly that a young stego is able to two-shot a fully grown carnotaurus

[golden coral]

If it two shot a carno, even on two headshots, that was not a "young stego" I'm pretty sure

[zenith vessel]

I just fought one that stuck half its body in a tree, i still tried it and died doing so

Stego players will always be cowardly imo

[golden coral]

Cowardly? So, using terrain is cowardly now?

[grim nacelle]

i literally never fight stegos because they're annoying so honestly i wouldn't know

[zenith vessel]

Sticking your body in a tree is realistic or fair?

[keen plover]

tbf. Lets be real here. A stego does need to defend itself. Also to 2 shot means the stego was 2T range at least and it got 2 headshots.

So while it may be short, it's wide

[zenith vessel]

I think the dmg is fine

[golden coral]

Sticking it inside, no. That's dumb but it's a collision issue, but standing next to it, or right in front of it, or so on, so you can't get to the head is perfectly fair yes.

[zenith vessel]

The attack speed is too much tho

[grim nacelle]

yes. exploiting the games unintentional mistakes, which no other animal would benefit from this, is in fact, cowardly

you're a stego. you're the strongest dino next to deino. you don't need to hide behind a fucking rock.

[zenith vessel]

If a teno did it, it would still be relatively easier to kill than a stego

[golden coral]

Well, they'd have to do 900 damage for a fully grown carno twoshot on the head, and with carno 1.5x headshot multiplier, that's 600 damage on swing, which I don't think a smaller stego can pull off, but maybe it can. I don't really know how soon they get that power, since we don't have any more info than base bite, but it sounds like it'd have been a sub at least.

[golden coral]

It's not hiding, it's being smart and taking advantage of terrain, like deino and every other animal can do.

[keen plover]

attack speed is quite slow imo. Well slow in the face of the speed demon that is carno. If a carno can bait the attack (which good stegos won't allow) a carno can get a hit in easily.

[grim nacelle]

except deino is SUPPOSED to go in water. you're not supposed to hide behind a rock to become invulnerable.

[golden coral]

Also what, mistake? unintentional to use terrain then? Every single animal can use terrain to block attackers and so on, everyone can benefit from it against something else.

[zenith vessel]

Why do i have a feeling your a stego player?

[golden coral]

You are supposed to play smart and survive, this includes using terrain. Like utahs jumping up on rocks to be out of reach, like a teno using swim speed to escape, like a deino going into water.

[grim nacelle]

found the stego main

[golden coral]

I am yes. Which has nothing to do with my arguments

[zenith vessel]

I think it might

[golden coral]

I take it you're a salty carno main then?

[grim nacelle]

teno, actually

[golden coral]

No, it does not. Since every argument can be applied to every animal.

[zenith vessel]

Put yourself in another players shoes possibly

[golden coral]

Every single animal can use terrain, and should, since it's a smart survival strategy. You're asking someone to play worse to get a better chance to kill them.

[golden coral]

I am. I understand when to give up a hunt and when to attack and so on, and to choose good targets.

[grim nacelle]

except utah jumping on rocks or tenos swim speed is not a collision issue. stegos sticking their heads in a rock is.

[zenith vessel]

Well in that case every adult stego is a bad target

[golden coral]

Depends entirely on what is hunting it for that matter.

[zenith vessel]

Theres only 2 things that would be hunting it tf?

[golden coral]

Unless you have a decent sized pack of utahs, or a pair of deinos, then yes, stego is as a matter of fact a terrible target. Just like deino is, but even more so since even a pack of utahs can't do much when it's swimming around.

[keen plover]

I won't lie, this is annoying. However, that's mainly a map issue with rocks being as prevelant as they are.

[grim nacelle]

stego is supposed to be slow. it's supposed to try and defend it's head from predators. it sticking it's head in a rock defeats the entire point and just makes it invincible.

[golden coral]

That was in response to you saying teno would be easier to kill than stego, and yes. But it also depends on what is hunting the teno. A single utah would struggle with a teno hiding like that too.

[zenith vessel]

I had a utah pack of around 6, stegos are just not worth no matter how many you have

[golden coral]

And you are defending your head, or other vunerable parts, by blocking access to it.

[grim nacelle]

stego is flawless and cannot be killed if it can just stick it's head in a rock. this is not fair to other players. no dino should be unkillable.

[keen plover]

Stegos diets being in the plains, you'd think there wouldn't be so many obstacles for them to just deny hunts. Also the map having so many hills screws with utah pounce. You can only really hunt stegos on flat areas.

[golden coral]

Well, other utahs claim they hunt stegos, so.. I can't say much about that

[golden coral]

And deino is somehow more killable

[zenith vessel]

Yeah prob ones that dont stick their heads in rocks and trees but ok

[golden coral]

And just so we're clear, I did say sticking your head, or other parts, into something is an issue with collision. But I'm talking about using terrain in general, such as standing in front of the tree, or next to a rock.

[grim nacelle]

deino can be killed by other deinos and stego. stego cannot be killed by a deino if it sticks its head in a rock.

[zenith vessel]

And prob most of those are juvie stegos

[golden coral]

Deino does not die to stego unless the deino is dumb about it. So only other deinos. And stegos can be killed by other stegos then.

[zenith vessel]

Nothing can kill a stego easily atm

And wont be able too for a while

[grim nacelle]

stego can 100% kill a deino wdym

[golden coral]

You have to apply the reason to both cases, deino is even more untouchable to the roster than stego is

[zenith vessel]

Yes it does tf

[golden coral]

I mean, if you go up to the stego and let it swing at you..

[zenith vessel]

Stego can 2v1 deinos easily

[golden coral]

I did say "unless you're dumb", meaning you don't go fight a stego

[grim nacelle]

stego is getting headshots. deino is getting tailshots. stego is completely invincible if it sticks its head in a rock.

[golden coral]

Not like it can go get you at the bottom of the river

[zenith vessel]

Then why is it on my diet if im not supposed to fight it 💀

[golden coral]

Because you can drown stegos up to 80% or so percent

if you remember that you have a lunge and drown mechanic :p

[grim nacelle]

no dinosaur is supposed to "not be fought" tf are you talking about

[keen plover]

Smaller stegos exist, but yeah. Adult stegos being completely immune does suck

[golden coral]

Of course there are things you're not supposed to fight

Are you aware that this is a survival game, not a fight club. There are absolutely things one critter should just avoid.

[zenith vessel]

And so you are basically implying that once they are full adult they are practically invincible

[grim nacelle]

no dinosaur is supposed to be invincible dude

[golden coral]

"Invincible" to some things, not to everything no.

[keen plover]

In this roster? Stego 100% is. We've got generally weak creatures

[zenith vessel]

^

[golden coral]

Yes but you can still hunt them for your diet at times.

[zenith vessel]

Nothing counters it

[grim nacelle]

until fucking rex and other apexes come to the game, do something about the goddamn rocks. easy.

[golden coral]

Deino is more invincible than stego.

[grim nacelle]

no its not

[golden coral]

Deino only dies to other deinos if it isn't dumb. Stego only dies to other stegos the same.

[golden coral]

It is

[keen plover]

Idk man. I don't think a good stego ever dies unless you play stupid

[zenith vessel]

"Deino is more invincible than stego." 🤓

[grim nacelle]

stego can literally be killed by nothing if it exploits the rocks. not even by other stegos.

[golden coral]

If you can't realize that, then you're just.. well, you're wrong.

Deinos can not be hunted by carnos, or utahs, while stego can be hunted by them.

[grim nacelle]

seems you're just salty because your precious stego won't be invincible

[golden coral]

No, I'm "salty" because you people don't realize how the game works

[grim nacelle]

not if stego sticks its head in a rock!

[keen plover]

Honestly, it's easier to survive as a stego since you have a lot of land to move around. Deinos only have rivers

[golden coral]

At which point the stego is as hard to hunt as a deino. So then they're the same.

But in general, and overall, the deino is way safer than the stego

[zenith vessel]

I got warned for not being respectful bruh wut?

[grim nacelle]

except stego can kill deino. so can other deinos. stego has no possible predators if it exploits the game like this, deino still has 2 things that can kill it.

[zenith vessel]

Goofy ahh discord bot

[keen plover]

probs the nerd emoji. I guess that's what came off as insulting

[golden coral]

It "can" but only if the deino instigates a fight it does not need. If the deino chooses not to engage the stego, it will not die to the stego.

[zenith vessel]

Bruh.

[grim nacelle]

bro. stego should not be unkillable.

[golden coral]

Stego is not a "deino predator".. what is this.. a deino can avoid stegos 99% of the time so..

[keen plover]

just a guess

[grim nacelle]

diet says otherwise

[golden coral]

Honestly, with the current roster it should. But I'm fine with making them more huntable if deino is also made more huntable.

[golden coral]

You have other options, and you can engage the stegos that you can grab. You don't need to engage the fully grown stego.

[grim nacelle]

deino is perfectly huntable though. stegos can kill deinos easy

[golden coral]

Stegos can not hunt deinos.

[grim nacelle]

yes. they can. lol

[golden coral]

Are you.. aware that you can just swim away?

[zenith vessel]

We are not the dinosaurs themselves and if we were i think a stego would have a pretty hard time beating a deino

[obtuse ocean]

if you die to a stego as deino, u deserve it lol

[golden coral]

No, they can not, not unless the deino is dumb.

[grim nacelle]

not if its a drought

[golden coral]

We don't have them in the game?

[grim nacelle]

they're coming soon though

[golden coral]

You can come back with that argument, when, or if it becomes a thing.

But honestly, at that point, it sounds like the deino would have to migrate, and that should be a risk if so

[ocean sentinel]

Nothing should be unkillable, the Isle is supposed to be a survival horror game, so everything should have something to fear. Deino and stego included. Sure, larger animals should have a bit less to fear, but they should still have something.

[zenith vessel]

^

[grim nacelle]

i literally never said that deino shouldnt be able to be killed in those circumstances. im saying it CAN. therefore stego can, and always have been able to, kill deinos.

[golden coral]

Yes, everything should have something to fear. But since not everything is in, that's not always the case. Deino and stego currently only really fears their own kind and each other, and that's fine, since they are both rather limited and can be easily avoided.

[golden coral]

I mean, I guess, but A we dont have droughts and migrations so that scenario isnt really a thing, and B, at that point, all other big things could do the same if they were in game, so it's not a specific critter issue.

[zenith vessel]

I wanna see what a stego will do against an allo when it comes out, if it beats it with ease then something is definitely wrong

[grim nacelle]

erik i dont think you get the point. if a stego exploits the game by sticking its head in a fucking rock, IT CANNOT BE KILLED. BY ANYTHING. utah should be able to kill it with skill, carno should be able to kill it with skill, deino should be able to kill it with skill. except, none of those can kill it IF IT STICKS ITS HEAD IN A ROCK.

[ocean sentinel]

It would be great if there was another large predator that could threaten deino when it rest on land, as well as pose a serious risk to stego, while also still being very killable by stego and at risk to deino in the water.

[grim nacelle]

it eliminates all threat to the stego and the stego doesnt have to worry about shit.

[golden coral]

3v1 sounds like a good matchup for the allos.

[zenith vessel]

Bruh 💀

[golden coral]

No I get the point, and I agreed that sticking your head, or any other body part, inside an object, is not a good thing. But then you basically complained about using terrain in general. I did give examples, such as standing in front of the tree, or next to a rock, but not inside it. Is that fine then?

[obtuse ocean]

Depends if stego is an apex or not

[grim nacelle]

those are fine because you're not exploiting collision.

[zenith vessel]

Cant wait for rex and stuff to come out, basically impossible for a stego to survive that so thats good

[golden coral]

But you're still using terrain to block access. Which was my point. A stego having it's head right next to the tree or rock isn't going to be any more killable.

[golden coral]

Obviously it'll be balanced to survive them as well. Nothing should just die on sight to something else.

Especially not something that most likely can not run away

[grim nacelle]

yes it can? stego can't exactly avoid the predator just... walking around the object and biting its head.

[zenith vessel]

Its deserved ngl

[obtuse ocean]

Stego will see a rex coming amile away out in the open, and can prob run. If not it needs defend itself someway

[golden coral]

If you're biting the head, being inbetween the stego head and the tree, you're going to get stuck and hit.

Or if you're up against a cliff or rock. Nothing you can "walk around"

[golden coral]

Now who's being salty.. :p

[zenith vessel]

A stego cant beat a rex so "defending itself" isnt an option

[grim nacelle]

no, you're not. the stego cannot turn around to hit you fast enough.

[golden coral]

I.. don't think a stego can outrun a rex.. :p

[obtuse ocean]

then it gonna have the option to run or something : P

[keen plover]

Why would a stego not be able to defend against a rex?

[grim nacelle]

stego being faster than a rex is horrifying 💀

[golden coral]

It can. If you stand right next to the tree, there's no room to move across from one side to the other?

[zenith vessel]

Rex bites the head, dead

[grim nacelle]

so defend the head. thats the point. dont let it bite your head.

[zenith vessel]

Like what 💀

[keen plover]

What type of damage are you expecting from a rex lol

[golden coral]

No. I doubt rex will do that much damage, and if so, then the stego would need to be buffed.

Not like rex or stego should oneshot each other on head, that sounds like a terrible matchup

[slim dragon]

That'd be 3 000 bite damage

[golden coral]

Much as big things should do a lot of damage, if someone thinks stegos should one shot rexes or something else on headshot, then no.. what are you on about.. :p

[zenith vessel]

A lot, its a rex it hunted triceratops and shared areas with anky so yes it must do a decent amount especially to the head

[keen plover]

Also stego would need a moving swing before any apex is added

[ocean sentinel]

Stego would have to be able to defend itself from a Tyrannosaurus when the time comes. However, that is a while from now, so isn't currently a concern.

[obtuse ocean]

rex gonna have a pin down ability, atleast that what they said before. So if he manage to pin the stego, he prob won.

[golden coral]

Do remember, it's a game, that means balance before "realism".

[grim nacelle]

its a video game. we can be somewhat unrealistic for balance reasons.

[golden coral]

I mean, maybe you like "oneshot" fights like that, but I don't, I think that'd be boring and more down to luck than skill

[slim dragon]

I don't think a rex will be able to pin a stego down
It's quadrupedal and almost as big as the rex itself

[obtuse ocean]

They said he could do it to anything, just like the spino can grab and twist the skull of everything. Atleast that what they said

[golden coral]

No but it could grab the head and go crunch. :p But that requires it to ambush the stego properly, which should be fine.

[zenith vessel]

Yeah but still, if the stego is gonna be that strong then what is the point

[grim nacelle]

why would rex do 3000 damage...

[zenith vessel]

• it will probably just stick its head in a rock again if it cant run away

[keen plover]

Ah, you could ambush it? idk. Not just run up and kill it whenever you want to

[golden coral]

What is the point of what? Do you think a trike or anky is going to be better to attack?

[short spire]

Islecord stop talking about Stego for 5 minutes challenge (impossible)

[ocean sentinel]

Realistically both would be able to oneshot each other, by the Isle isn't going for that level of realism anyway, and it would probably be best if it didn't.

[golden coral]

A rex should have to be cautious and ambush all the large herbis since they are all dangerous

[slim dragon]

I'm pretty sure they didn't say that since that would imply rex could pin sauropods, and even regarding the weird (to say the least) decisions devs have made, I'm pretty sure they're not going that route.

[golden coral]

I'm sure we'll get proper collision at some point, so you can no longer attack through objects or go inside them.

[zenith vessel]

No but yall think stego is godly when in reality it wouldnt be able to kill all of these things you say it can

[golden coral]

You're right, in reality, most of the roster would just die out if they were "balanced" like that :p

But then it's a good thing it's a game, no?

[obtuse ocean]

thats the spino, if they have said otherwise its fine. Cus im not listing to what me or you think : P I listen to what they say

[keen plover]

Stego could 100% kill them all though

[grim nacelle]

game stego should be able to defend itself against a rex. its a video game. balance always comes before realism.

[zenith vessel]

Im not saying it shouldnt but i also dont think the rex should die from a 1v1 against a stego

[ocean sentinel]

Could doesn't mean it would all the time, and again that isn't relevant, this is a game, and it needs to be balanced.

[grim nacelle]

it 100% should be able to?

[golden coral]

Well, either we let the stego run away, which I personally think would look silly unless they go for very slow endurance rex or something, or it has to fight

[half girder]

yes.

3 should be the limit anyway

[ocean sentinel]

Either side should be able to die in that matchup.

[golden coral]

I guess we can go with making stego faster, or rex slower, I don't need the stego to fight a rex, I just need it to be able to survive the encounter properly

[keen plover]

I mean, the rex coud probs tank some damage and still be able to run off. A rex never has to die lol

[obtuse ocean]

rex gonna be more or less the same as it was in legacy, so it gonna have the upper hand on a stego : P

[half girder]

or 4

[golden coral]

Sounds good to me, two pairs!

[zenith vessel]

I think running away when it sees it from a distance but up close no

[half girder]

ye

[keen plover]

Like if you die to a stego as a rex, it meant you kept getting hit a shit ton. Which means you messed up

[golden coral]

Depends on how "up close" that is

[half girder]

rex is gonna actually destroy stego

[obtuse ocean]

This is the description they have on rex , the dev team.: A true force of nature, one of the island's largest and most intimidating inhabitants, the undisputed king... Tyrannosaurus Rex. Steer clear of this formidable opponent should you seek to survive.

[wispy valley]

That was the skull of a diabloceratops. No way Spino is getting away with trying to pop the head off of an adult male Trike like popping open a can of beer with the boys.

[half girder]

like holy shit

[ocean sentinel]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Legacy suffer from serious balance issues?

[keen plover]

Current stego, yes. Stego with a moving swing, no.

[half girder]

rex will body fracture it and it’s fucked

[golden coral]

Also, legacy suffer from some animals being balanced for survival, and some for old progression

[zenith vessel]

^

[half girder]

stego will never having moving swinging

[keen plover]

It needs it

[wispy valley]

Rex should twoshot Stego's head change my mind.

[half girder]

that’s kentro

[grim nacelle]

oh god fuck PLEASE dont give rex its stupid fracture. its powerful enough.

[keen plover]

Without a moving swing, stego dies

[half girder]

no it doesn’t lmao wtf

[golden coral]

We don't know that. And if that becomes the case, then we're gonna have an issue with balance. Also no reason why both can't have it :p

[obtuse ocean]

yes, that was he said first. Then he said it could do it to anything, really. So

[half girder]

stego hitting while moving?!

[keen plover]

You think a stuck in place attack won't be abused by an apex carni?

[golden coral]

Well then we have a balance issue :p

[wispy valley]

That would make it more broken than Rex. Jesus fuck. No. Spino should not be able to take down trikes better than Rex. That's Rex's THING.

[half girder]

that’s 1000+ dmg

[grim nacelle]

??? what makes you think that????

[half girder]

it makes sense though?

[zenith vessel]

Yes while this is a game and nothing should die too easily its also very silly that a rex should be getting destroyed by a stego, a trike or anky makes more sense

[golden coral]

Yes. That's fine, you know we can have different attacks with different values?

[half girder]

have u played stego?

[ocean sentinel]

As much as I don't like stego in its current state, it would become obsolete if it couldn't either defend itself from or run away from a Rex, and the latter would look kinda dumb.

[zenith vessel]

We have balance issues rn

[half girder]

they won’t do it

[keen plover]

Stego uses current swing, it just dies. Rex tanks the hit and deals 2x damage on your head.

[golden coral]

And why ever not?

[grim nacelle]

yes but why would stego do over 1000 damage because of a moving swing

[obtuse ocean]

Spino gonna be king of water, and defensive on land. So doubt that gonna go for trikes

[keen plover]

Shit would be easy

[half girder]

cuz it’s a defensive dino

[wispy valley]

Incorrect. It is a jack of all trades.

[half girder]

that’s if they keep the dmg

[golden coral]

Yes, but defensive does not have to mean "stand in one place all the time"

[keen plover]

You do realise you can retreat while being defensive

[obtuse ocean]

What you mean ?

[ocean sentinel]

Every member of the roster should be able to either defend itself from or escape every other member of the roster somewhat effectively.

[golden coral]

We could have a weaker but faster swing, and a slower but more powerful jab for the stego as it stands

Not like every attack has to do the same value

[zenith vessel]

I mean lets be honest stego was never made for rex

[keen plover]

Like a stego trotting away and swinging at a rex would be fine

[half girder]

it’s more a heavy weight defense i don’t see a stego swinging then running away

[golden coral]

Honestly, most of the roster was not :p

[half girder]

^

[golden coral]

What the heck is anky then? xD

[grim nacelle]

also a heavy weight defense. we can have more than one

[half girder]

anky will be mobile

[golden coral]

But no, I see stego as walking/trotting away while taking "potshots" at the rex if it keeps following and tries to get around to the head. Or something like that

[ocean sentinel]

Honestly Evrima is at serious risk of suffering from a bloated roster.

[keen plover]

Stego swing should only work while trotting. You need the ability to trot away while facing your spiky end towards the rex.

[half girder]

kentro moving and swinging won’t be an issue for rex cuz it’ll shit on it

[golden coral]

We can yes, but I don't believe any of them should just stand in place, it does not make for fun combat. Just look at current stego vs stego, or deino vs deino. Compare to teno vs teno or utah vs utah.

[zenith vessel]

Anky will just be like a slower but higher dmg stego or it will deal fracture to the leg and its over

[golden coral]

If anky is somehow more mobile than stego.. what the heck? :p

[wispy valley]

Spino is essentially an all-terrain vehicle. By no means will that make it an absolute menace to society. Spino will have the option to fish and kill crocs and maybe take down the occasional stego and anky bur by God, I will go down with this opinion, NOBODY should be better at destroying armored herbivores than the rex line. period.

[half girder]

i think if u see a rex u run

[zenith vessel]

Its not

[grim nacelle]

i agree. but what was your point about asking what anky was then?

[zenith vessel]

Anky slow af

[half girder]

if it gets the jump on u cry about it

[keen plover]

How does a stego run from a rex though. A rex would have an infinitely better trot

[zenith vessel]

Yeah rex scary very scary

[obtuse ocean]

Lol ive never said anything about that. I say what the devs have said about spino or rex. Sounds like im the one balancing this : P

[golden coral]

Cause he said it was defensive, but compared to an anky, stego is more of a "mobile defender", at least in my eyes. Between the two, anky is the one that would "hunker down" while stego would walk away

[half girder]

i’m sure rex will be limited on stam for its strength

[keen plover]

Why not have apex class herbis be a tough fight for a rex lol

[wispy valley]

I will be absolutely livid if devs invalidate Rex by making Spino kill armored herbivores better than it.

[golden coral]

@half girderWouldn't it be better and more fun to balance things for interesting hunts and fights? :p

[half girder]

wym

[golden coral]

Well, spino turns anky upside down, so there is that. Might make it better than rex in some ways I guess.

[half girder]

wtf is interesting with deino and stego

[obtuse ocean]

the concept art, dont it show a spino litterly turning a anky over?

[half girder]

makes 0 fucking sense

[golden coral]

What do you mean?

[zenith vessel]

Thats the thing, rex and other apex predators will need to be bad at something and will need to be killable by things like stego because they are ultimately faster and do a lot of dmg

[ocean sentinel]

Just from this conversation, it looks like stego and anky will conflict with each other, an deino and spino will conflict with each other.

[half girder]

what is interesting with the two, what will be diff with rex

[zenith vessel]

I think spino will be too big for deino to take down

[half girder]

also rex bone break is fine but it has to be costly

idk how they will do it

[wispy valley]

The only thing rex should be bad at is speed, I feel.

Lord have mercy if Rex gets the jump on you, but if you can run, you will be fine.

[obtuse ocean]

Rex gonna kill spino, it gonna be heavly favored.

[golden coral]

I'm.. honestly not sure what you're asking here Bran. Also rex should just go crunch, fracture, sure, but not just "bonebreak bite" really, give it a proper mechanic.

[half girder]

yes

[wispy valley]

Rex should crit necks, heads, and spines. Change my mind.

[half girder]

no.

[golden coral]

Game balance. You can't make rex that all powerful.

[grim nacelle]

no...

[golden coral]

Spino was said to be able to slap rex away, and no idea what a giga will do.

[zenith vessel]

I mean spino did eat fish and sharks so it might not bump into rex too much if it stays near a big body of water

[wispy valley]

Well, Rex definitely should crit head and necks.

[grim nacelle]

begging for the isle devs to remove rexes bone break 🙏

[keen plover]

Imo, basic lmb should be 800n. Alt attack be 1000-1100 with fractures. + The mouth hug ability deal fractures and out right kill things at a certain size. Also enough damage to turn the tides in a fight against larger creatures.

[golden coral]

We have a JP spino, keep that in mind. We don't have a realistic spino

[stark knoll]

Everything "crits" heads and necks, they have a higher locational multiplier

[wispy valley]

Rex should have a higher crit damage then.

[keen plover]

wym

[half girder]

not 1000

[grim nacelle]

thats stupid. stop trying to make rex all powerful.

[ocean sentinel]

Then why play deino, when you could do everything you can with it as Spino? Same risk comes with anky and stego.

[slim dragon]

Why ?

[zenith vessel]

I think the rex still wins but its close

[keen plover]

hmm fair

[short spire]

Rex is already going to fuck over balance as is. It doesn’t need even more power.

[obtuse ocean]

you cant grab with spino, and thats a darn good ability : P

[keen plover]

what would you go with?

[golden coral]

It might, I do remember someone saying spino would use its arms to just.. slap the rex, and keep defending itself until rex gave up or possibly got beaten up. Point was more so that we have a JP spino, not a "fish eater" really, even if it does live alongside rivers. But honestly, spino should not be able to live on fish if it's a JP powerful critter.

[half girder]

wtf do u want rex to do? cower stegos?

[grim nacelle]

higher speed + agility, can walk on land, etc

[half girder]

it’s gonna be a pain in the ass to grow anyway

stego is 100x easier

[golden coral]

Look, if we're talking rex balance, it's not just vs stego, it's vs all the big things, and "small" ones that it might still hunt due to them being big enough to be food.

[grim nacelle]

literally noone said that. we said rex shouldnt be able to kill stego with ease. should it be stronger? yes! but stego should still have a chance.

[zenith vessel]

Whats a deino gonna do against a fully grown spino tho? and its a JP spino @golden coral just mentioned

[wispy valley]

Rex's thing shouldn't just be 'high damage number go chomp.' Bone break should be a part of its toolkit. I feel Rex should bite down like a dog and shake its head to do fracture damage.

Anyone play Feed and Grow Fish? You know that rip apart ability?

[half girder]

in a face to face sure

[obtuse ocean]

i will take that 😄 like it

[ocean sentinel]

Spino, would be faster on land, would it not? It's also going to have higher damage output by default because it's apex and that's how they seem to work in this game. That being said it doesn't even need a lunge. Just shred the ones that deino can drag, and the ones that are too big make em bleed a bit in the water and then keep chasing them in land.

[golden coral]

I want a stego to be able to survive, either by running away, or by fighting. Since I think a running stego looks silly, especially since I think rex will be faster, fighting seems like the reasonable option. Preferably a defensive retreat, as opposed to ankys hunkering down.

[grim nacelle]

it should be at least a smaller chance of happening. getting a garaunteed fracture is stupid.

[golden coral]

They also said deino is better off swimming away from spino so.

[stark knoll]

Fracture is not chance-based, it's damage-based

[zenith vessel]

That makes more sense than fighting it

[golden coral]

That I can agree with. Give it a "crunch" bite. Bite down and hold down.

[grim nacelle]

oh thank god

[half girder]

fracture being rng is dumb asfffff

[zenith vessel]

Maybe they can give deino more stam than spino

[half girder]

never again

[grim nacelle]

fracture being rng in legacy was so fucking stupid

[wispy valley]

I would like to give it some sort of restrain, or at least when it bites down and does the hold and shake prey slows down to its speed so it can brawl.

[ocean sentinel]

I'll admit I never really played legacy proper, but I heard it had serious problems with it's apex predators, both because they were blatantly overpowered and because too many people played them.

[half girder]

it will and be faster

[obtuse ocean]

i dont really know, but im sure that deino can swim away from spino by ease if it sees him. If he dont pay attention, its a dead deino

[zenith vessel]

Aight good

[golden coral]

It's mostly due to the numbers, which in turn is mostly due to how the AI works there.

[wispy valley]

I really don't like the concept of 'rex bites and lets prey slip away"

[stark knoll]

How are you so sure?

[grim nacelle]

i agree with the stam, but faster?... no.

[half girder]

what’s the point then

[keen plover]

Also had broken hitboxes, so any fights against them meant that even if you were behind them, you could get hit

[golden coral]

I have to ask as well, you've made several absolute statements, but.. we don't know

Things can and do change

[grim nacelle]

deino outrunning a spino would look stupid as fuck

[golden coral]

Swimming I would think, not running on land :p

[grim nacelle]

in the water? yes, deino would, but on land? no

[half girder]

no shit

lmao

[grim nacelle]

so then clarify that???

[half girder]

why do i need to?!

[obtuse ocean]

yea they said, spino will play defensive on land and aggresive in water : P

[grim nacelle]

because you just saying "it should be faster" can be easily confused as land speed

[golden coral]

Spino and Cheirus slap fights! :p

[half girder]

no?

[grim nacelle]

yes?

[half girder]

bro that’s on u for thinking stupid

[wispy valley]

So, all in agree that Rex chomps down and shakes his head to do continuous damage?

[half girder]

tf makes u think that

[obtuse ocean]

haha yes, that gonna be a cool fight! And close i think!

[half girder]

goofy

[golden coral]

Sounds like a reasonable mechanic/ability yes. Bite down and just.. crush the target.

[grim nacelle]

because, very often, the isle players are stupid

[half girder]

yes

[grim nacelle]

my standards are low here

[zenith vessel]

I feel like Cheirus will be a bit of a beast ngl

[obtuse ocean]

lol same and i hope : P

[half girder]

oh yeah for sure

[ocean sentinel]

Deinocheirus would probably wreck spino, it's larger in mass and taller, so it would hit harder and could easily just slap the Spino in the face, giving it a had trauma and ending the fight. Thats in real life though, not sure about the game.

[half girder]

i think allo will do that too

[wispy valley]

There may need to be some sort of restraining mechanic involved with Rex's bite. He's heavy. 8-9 tons. He is not letting you just run away while he bites.

[half girder]

holding down its prey and sawing its teeth through it

[keen plover]

probs a pin for smaller creatures.

[golden coral]

Allo grapples with it's arms, not sure on what else it'd do

[wispy valley]

And shaking his head to rip apart

[half girder]

mhm

[zenith vessel]

That would be a really cool fight tho

[half girder]

yeah tbh

[obtuse ocean]

Cherius is my fav dino im waiting for : P

[wispy valley]

Allo grapple, bites down using its upper jaw, pulls its neck back to rake its teeth backwards.

[golden coral]

@half girderI was suggesting allo could be able to grapple a stego tail, so one pack member or two holds the stego while the third goes nom on the head. But that was'nt really approved by the people I mentioned it too :p

[obtuse ocean]

I hope allo makes hell for utahs : P

[grim nacelle]

bran got muted this is so sad

[keen plover]

was bran muted bruh

[zenith vessel]

I dont really have a fav dino so idk what ill play when more come out

[obtuse ocean]

Why did he get muted ?

[zenith vessel]

bruh what why?

[wispy valley]

Allo after grapple. Just shreds prey with its teeth.

[keen plover]

maybe some of the comments earlier, but didn't feel that deep

[zenith vessel]

I got warned and someone got muted 💀

[keen plover]

Up to the admins who they mute

[ocean sentinel]

Actually now that I think about it deinocheirus neck is long, and still in reach of the spino's jaws, so it might be a bit more even, as that would allow the Spino to deal serious damage even with it's relatively weak bite (for megatherapod standards.)

[slim dragon]

Might have been Suppression Field going berserk too

[keen plover]

true

[zenith vessel]

Yeah 100%

I forgot like every dino they are adding so 💀

I just know the main ones from legacy

[golden coral]

I kind of like the idea that spino and cheirus can just.. slap each other :p Maybe not even much for killing, just .. arguing over who gets what part of the river to live in :p

[keen plover]

https://imgur.com/a/yBUsBg2

Good list

[zenith vessel]

Oh thx

[keen plover]

and size ranges

[zenith vessel]

Is that every dino?

[stark knoll]

Warnings will progressively mute people. 1st warning is just a warning, 2nd is 24h, 3rd is indefinite

[keen plover]

yep

[zenith vessel]

I swear there was more

[obtuse ocean]

lol true, but it might be a " i own the water, you own the land " thing : P

[zenith vessel]

Oh so if i get warned again im muted 😔

[keen plover]

oh fair

[stark knoll]

Temporarily, yes

[zenith vessel]

Do the warnings ever go away after some time?

[ocean sentinel]

I am a bit concerned about the future of Evrima, the large and potentially bloated roster combined with apex favoritism might just break the game later on.

[golden coral]

Eh, I think they might be rather similar, both having food in water but being able to go on land and handle themselves there. But maybe it'll be like you say, I just like the idea of them slapping each other silly :p

[stark knoll]

I say "indefinite" purposefully, as you can appeal mutes using the link in #rules-and-info

[zenith vessel]

I see i see

[obtuse ocean]

Yea they gonna be fighthing : P or heavily respect eachothers : P

[keen plover]

That's why officials should have a carefully picked roster

[stark knoll]

No, they last unless they are manually removed. As of now, we don't have any policy for manual removal outside of user errors (ie accidentally applying a warning) but it may be something to discuss with an SA. Anyway, sorry for that departure, just wanted to clarify all that. Carry on

[obtuse ocean]

damn that chart bird brain showed. Queztel big boy

[keen plover]

Doctor Nova's chart *

[slim dragon]

Casually proceeds to die to 1 utah

[obtuse ocean]

lol yea , utah op

[keen plover]

but yeah, quetz is tall. Light, but tall

[ocean sentinel]

And then, you have humans, which are basically an entire new game slapped on. I get some people are excited for humans, but honestly I think there is so much that can go wrong there.

[obtuse ocean]

what dino is between allo and sucho ? : o

[slim dragon]

Some of the game's core mechanics would probably need to be revisited

[keen plover]

Fair enough. I personally think humans can work, but we'll have to actually see

[zenith vessel]

Yeah i wanna see a lot of variety because it would look way better with a bunch of different dinos

[keen plover]

what do you mean?

[obtuse ocean]

That chart you showed : P whats between allo and sucho ,if you know : P

[zenith vessel]

I really dont care for humans being added lol

[keen plover]

Alberto, plateo, cory

although idk about cory being a playable or a skin

[golden coral]

@obtuse oceanStyraco, Alberto(?), Maiasaura, Corythosaurus(?), Plateosaurus, I think. In that order.

[ocean sentinel]

Variety is great, but the more of it you have the harder it is to make each roster member balanced and unique, as well as the less of each individual species on any given server, which will makes packs and herds harder to come by.

[obtuse ocean]

oww nice, sry i didnt see that it actually had names on the chart. Thanx : )

[golden coral]

I would like them if they were heavily focused on evasive and stealth mechanics and tools. Rather than "pew pew" style and just killing dinos :p

[keen plover]

Styraco is smaller than allo * and maia is allo sized. That's why I didn't include it

[keen plover]

Yep, all there. Nova made it really detailed

[short spire]

Yeah, this is why I’m worried about having acro, giga, and Rex. I feel like they’ll all play basically the same.

[golden coral]

Big stego on the chart! :D

[keen plover]

7T stego damn

That's a proper apex killer right there

[ocean sentinel]

I've seen all the dirty tricks humans with guns can pull when fighting dinosaurs in Primal Carnage: Extinction. They made it work for the most part there, but it would be harder in Evrima

[zenith vessel]

Seeing how big deino and stego actually are compared to the rest is kinda crazy

[golden coral]

And still "weak" compared to the others up there. My poor favourite herbi, I was so happy when it was "upsized", and then anky goes and becomes, what, 10T+ irl... :p

[short spire]

I really hope humans aren’t very strong. I wanna see more of that horror aspect.

[keen plover]

Remember, the map is largely anti human. Update 5 tall grass + the bushes also inhibit human view. They'll also be operating in First Person

As long as we don't get snipers 💀

[ocean sentinel]

Won't stop you from glitching into a cliff where they can't reach you and headshotting them to death.

[zenith vessel]

I never understood why giga and carchar are both being added, they are basically the same just one is bigger essentially, i get they will have differences in appearance skins and patterns wise but i think a lot of other things will be similar between them

[short spire]

Wait charchar is being added too?

[zenith vessel]

Yeah

[short spire]

3 land apexes was already more than enough damn

[zenith vessel]

(Not Shown)

[slim dragon]

@tiny quiver They still do

[stark knoll]

It's possible it may be an alt skin for giga, but we haven't had any word on it. Carchar is too far out to say for certain

[zenith vessel]

Giga, Spino, Rex, Acro, Carchar and you could say Sucho or Alberto but they are a bit smaller

[keen plover]

Implies a sniper class weaponry. We'll have to see

[ocean sentinel]

I mean do you have any idea how many elevated places there are they might try to abuse with some careful platforming?

[zenith vessel]

Ah i see, would still be cool to see tho

Carchar from my memory isnt in any games like the isle

[short spire]

Spino is at least a different playstyle. The others are just Rex reskins.

[zenith vessel]

The spino will be JP spino i was told, so it will hold its own even against a rex

[short spire]

Lmao that’s really dumb

[zenith vessel]

Yeah but so is dying without being able to get away or defend yourself

[ocean sentinel]

They could also take advantage of their relatively thin bodies to cram themselves into places larger dinosaurs can't hit into and shoot at them.

[short spire]

Defend itself sure, but spino fighting Rex away from the water should be like 80/20 in favor of Rex

[keen plover]

Give humans short to mid range weaponry. Problem solved

[obtuse ocean]

I think rex gonna be op with full stam, but if it needs to run after something and use 90% of the stam. He gonna have problem killing anything large. And even defending.

[short spire]

Guns, imo should be very limited and only short range. Honestly I’d rather they didn’t exist at all.

[golden coral]

I don't think rex will be like in legacy honestly, since new game and new ways to fight and all

[zenith vessel]

Absolutely but we will also have things that dont rely on water that need to have a chance against or to get away from a rex

[obtuse ocean]

well who knows : P

[short spire]

Yeah, I was talking about spino tho

[zenith vessel]

Also Sucho is done for if a rex sees it out of water

[keen plover]

Why would the sucho not just run away lol

[short spire]

That’s talking about the model not the stats

[grim nacelle]

humans shouldn't exist at all, would you rather play as badass dinosaurs or normal humans

[golden coral]

Agreed. I would prefer guns to be for well, things maybe up to utah size or something, but like, close range and more.. shotgun or something along that style. So you can defend vs troodon and others, but if it's carno +, you.. well, hide. I would love it if humans got lots of stealth and evasive and otherwise "tricky" stuff to use

[keen plover]

both

[golden coral]

Well, that could just be for anims and all. Rather than stats. But we'll see I'm sure!

[zenith vessel]

If its far enough yes, but i feel like the rexs overall sprint will be faster

Sucho has the water and stam advantage tho

[golden coral]

Lots of people are looking forward to playing as mercs, and I guess they want to go around shooting dinos :p

[ocean sentinel]

Not that simple. Mid range for a gun is still quite far for a dinosaur. And if they find the right spot, they could be shooting at you inches away from you mouth without you being able to hit them.

[grim nacelle]

humans is a pretty overall bad idea, one thing i like about the isle is that its a dinosaur game that isnt a shooter

[golden coral]

Let waders run in deep water, while terrestials can not :p

[obtuse ocean]

Wonder how they balance sucho, i mean spino cherius deino etc. Thats hard : P

[short spire]

I’d like to play as humans for the horror element. Seeing the videos of when they were tested, the night time is gonna be awesome. Just a flashlight to see anything….

[golden coral]

Spino and cheirus in deeper waters/lakes perhaps. Sucho in shallow rivers. Maybe?

[keen plover]

idk man. Would suck if a 4T creature that can be made decently quick was slower than a 8-9T creature

[obtuse ocean]

yea that could work : P

[golden coral]

I'd imagine sucho could run as well, so I guess it might be able to do that.

[keen plover]

Sucho doesn't need to be fast, it shouldn't be slow either

[zenith vessel]

Legacy was like that so idk

[keen plover]

Legacy was shit though

[ocean sentinel]

They'd also have the best turn rate in the game, so it would be hard to hit a human that knows how to use that.

[zenith vessel]

I think sucho can take on deino but cheirus and spino defo not

[keen plover]

also legacy rex was 5.8T

[zenith vessel]

Thats so goofy

[keen plover]

yeah

[golden coral]

Smaller deinos, sure. But a fully grown one could probs grab a sucho, but it might not be able to drown it if we give sucho good oxygen and so on.

[short spire]

Dinos are fast, humans are slow. Especially at night, humans can’t see shit. And humans are very, very squishy.

[grim nacelle]

sucho CANNOT take on a deino 💀

[keen plover]

but damage was based around weight, so they couldn't make these creatures too large

[zenith vessel]

Why not?

Just dont get grabbed

[tall bronze]

Too risky I'd say. Just walk away 😛

[keen plover]

Sub deinos, but not full grown deinos. Good luck fighting those

deino can just alt attack and reach you lol

[grim nacelle]

i mean, it CAN, if you're skilled enough, but it would be fucking difficult as hell

[tall bronze]

Deino is also lower to the ground

[obtuse ocean]

Sucho was big boy ?

[zenith vessel]

A lot of fights should be

[grim nacelle]

not bigger than deino

[tall bronze]

Ehhhh I wouldn't say that

[ocean sentinel]

Sounds like a big issue for the humans, until you realize how easy it is to circle camp large dinosaurs. Unless the large dinosaurs can turn ridiculous fast, which would probably be unfair for small dinos.

[keen plover]

iirc, it's like 3.4-3.6T irl

[obtuse ocean]

Ahh ok, so big mid tier ish : P

[keen plover]

Probs be 4T+ to not be grabbed by deino since it lives by water

[short spire]

I don’t think guns should do shit against a Rex

[ocean sentinel]

Unless the guns are comically weak, humans with guns would break the game.

[keen plover]

although, there's nothing stopping it from being a mid tier

[zenith vessel]

Bruh what? 💀 if the fights werent challenging in the slightest then something is wrong and im not just talking about sucho and deino i mean with other dinos

[short spire]

Humans would mostly be fighting smaller dinos, since that’s all they’d make a good meal for and also the only thing they could reasonably take down.

[zenith vessel]

Compy solos xd

[tall bronze]

I'm saying I don't think certain fights should really be realistically possible. As in some stuff you just should never, ever, ever fight. Even the devs have talked about how it won't always be fair.

[short spire]

Facts

[tall bronze]

Humans can't eat em.

[zenith vessel]

Earlier we were discussing rex losing to stego so i mean

[short spire]

Yeah, I’m saying the humans would only be a decent meal for small dinos

[tall bronze]

Oh mb

[zenith vessel]

I wanna see Sucho or Bary get some love and be atleast half decent

[obtuse ocean]

Stego is the only thing i dont understand where it stands, cus i have a feeling trike gonna be much harder to take down : P

[zenith vessel]

I mean it will be slower tho

[grim nacelle]

i don't see whats wrong with a stego having a chance against rex. should rex be stronger? yes. but a stego should still be able to defend itself somewhat

[keen plover]

same

[zenith vessel]

Never said it shouldnt

I think every dino should be able to survive against something

Unless if its like beipi vs fully grown croc then idk 💀

[obtuse ocean]

yea, unless you dont pay attention. If im allo and a rex manage to litterly walk up to me and bite me. That should be the end of me : P

[tall bronze]

I agree with that in a survival sense. If you live, you win. Even if you had no choice but to run away.

That's the point of the game, you just gotta live 😛

[zenith vessel]

Yeah

[keen plover]

YOU BETTER NOT STILL BE TALKING ABOUT A BASIC BITE

[zenith vessel]

I really wanna see how they balance this

[keen plover]

[ocean sentinel]

I doubt it's going to be balanced

[obtuse ocean]

rex gonna be op close up : P

[zenith vessel]

Yeah apexs yeah no

Mid tier tho, might be a different story

[keen plover]

and that's fine, but similar to a utah walking up to a dryo, you'd rather pin the dryo than bite

[golden coral]

Trike being slower than stego? I don't think so honestly, stego might be the slowest around, especially with our anky.. :p

[ocean sentinel]

Considering how they seem to be struggling to balance the relatively small roster we have now, with all these dinosaurs, some being favorited much more than others, and then human, there are simply too many things to be balanced.

[obtuse ocean]

Yea thats true, but normal bite should send a allo running and not coming back : P

[keen plover]

100%

[zenith vessel]

Shouldnt be, trike is fat :p

I mean speed wouldnt matter much because they wont really be able to outrun a lot of things anyways

[tall bronze]

Rex with best fracture potential pls 🙂

[keen plover]

Anky and pachy exist

I think all 3 will have max severities though

[tall bronze]

Anky with 2nd best 🙂

Pachy.....no (compared to the others)

[golden coral]

It is yes, but I mean, consider stegos current speed, and consider how dumb the gallop looks at that. Do you really think being even slower is fine, in general I mean. I don't think people would like anything but a sauropod being slower than stego honestly. Also trike being faster makes sense, its an animal that can and would like to "charge" the target.

[slim dragon]

Rex better at fracturing than anky ? What kind of balance is that ?

[ocean sentinel]

Isn't Rex already going to have the strongest bite in the game, as well as one of the highest health values of the carnivores?

[keen plover]

yes

[tall bronze]

I'd say a constant bite rather than a single swing would prolly do more fractures over time. I'm also talking about on average really.

[zenith vessel]

Yeah thats what im also saying tho, i think a trike would rather fight than run prob same for stego

[tall bronze]

Then again, that could be an interesting dynamic.....Anky has more impact (pun intended) but Rex has more the longer it bites....or something like that 😛

[slim dragon]

No, anky should just be better at fractures since it will most likely don't have any other option

[ocean sentinel]

Then adding fracturing to its bite is probably overkill.

[tall bronze]

Perhaps.

[zenith vessel]

^

[golden coral]

Trike would and should be the whole "take them head on", while stego is "Im going to walk away and if you follow, its on your head", or so it makes sense to me. So stego is fine being slower, since it's not supposed to go on the offense, unlike a trike that can and most likely would, at least at times. They both want to fight, but they fight in very different manners.

[tall bronze]

T-Rex with no fracture.....

what

[slim dragon]

It's called balance

[ocean sentinel]

I get Rex is the most popular dinosaur of all time, but that doesn't mean it should be blatantly overpowered.

[zenith vessel]

T Rex with fracture:

"THIS IS SO BROKING PLS NERF REX NOW NOOOWWW"

[tall bronze]

Okay I get balance but it's a T-Rex. That's like Anky not having bone break.

Plus it can be balanced since fractures aren't OG bone break

[tall bronze]

Should've payed attention for the loud, giant, obvious dinosaur 🤷

[obtuse ocean]

it needs something, since it wont be able to catch anything after : P Imagine legacy rex without bb, giga would eat every rex :: P

[zenith vessel]

Again some things cant always outrun it

[tall bronze]

Then I imagine those things would be able to fight it or thwart it off

[golden coral]

I mean, if rex gets a bite down and trash ability, it might not need fracture. But considering it's power, it probably should have them anyway.

[zenith vessel]

Yes and in that fight get fractured

[tall bronze]

Fractures aren't legacy bone break.

[ocean sentinel]

Its already going to be one of the best in terms of health and the best in terms of raw bite damage. Adding bonebreak to that is really pushing the limits.

[tall bronze]

It's not "oops, bone broken, guess I'll die"

[short spire]

Fracture isn’t that big a deal lol. If an anky wins a Rex fight with a leg fracture, it’ll be fine.

[zenith vessel]

Its an anky tho, it doesnt need to run lol

[tall bronze]

I still think it'd be pathetic to not give it fractures. It's supposed to be overkill.

Plus to be fair, we haven't actually seen how it will play in Evrima yet 😛

[short spire]

Yeah, anything which can’t outrun a Rex wouldn’t need to run from anything else.

[obtuse ocean]

I hope i can play anky and walk up to a pack of allos and say hello and goodbye cus i know its not worth attacking me : P

[tall bronze]

Anky can prolly just go full armor-lock against Allos and laugh 😛

[slim dragon]

I imagine rex as a very good fighter, a little bit like teno
Teno has no fractures yet it's very combat-able

[zenith vessel]

Well yes and no, if its weak then a pack of raptors or something will most likely finish it off and since its fractured it cant get to cover in time

[ocean sentinel]

Saying it's supposed to overkill doesn't sound good from a balancing standpoint.

[tall bronze]

Also fracture severities will be a thing

[tall bronze]

Not all fights will be fair, devs have said that themselves.

And I mean fights, not survival. There won't be a time you just die if something sees you, but it won't always be an even match up. Lemme find the quote 😛

[zenith vessel]

Teno also has a lot of stam and is pretty quick so

[ocean sentinel]

I never said that every dinosaur in the game should be able to to take out every other. Obviously dyro shouldn't be able to 1v1 deinos.

[slim dragon]

And ? You can't be a good brawler if you cannot run fast ? And how does fractures that are not necessarily legbreaks that completely prevent you from moving alleviate that ?

[zenith vessel]

I wasnt arguing with you?

[slim dragon]

Then why did you answer to me ?

[ocean sentinel]

That being said, this is a survival horror game. Everything needs to have something to fear.

[zenith vessel]

Because teno doesnt need fractures and neither does rex

like bruh what?

[tall bronze]

[slim dragon]

Ah damn
I got confused since both of you have BnW profile pictures and it's getting late for me

[zenith vessel]

I see i see

But yeah if rex has fractures its gonna be op sorry

[tall bronze]

Hard disagree.

[obtuse ocean]

Well it needs something, to shut whatever down fast. Cus it wont be able to chase anything

[keen plover]

rex does need fractures. I just don't think each of its attacks should deal fractures

[short spire]

Anything which can run from a rex- run, or you get punished with a fracture.
Anything which can’t run from a Rex- will be able to fight a Rex.

[obtuse ocean]

I dont see me attacking a rex as allo, and do a mistake. And come out from that alive : P

[tall bronze]

Honest question, what other attacks than a bite could it have? 😮

Besides like generic stuff like trample

[zenith vessel]

Why would you fight a rex as an allo tho? this isnt legacy

Rex is supposed to go for slower things like what?

[keen plover]

So for me, basic lmb? no fractures. Alt attack, fractures. Grab attack (mouth hug)? fractures.

[obtuse ocean]

No thats the point, thats why it needs something to shut it down fast. If not im gonna annoy rexes for fun, and then run away if i do a mistake

[ocean sentinel]

Perhaps. If there was a sort of of fracturing attack that perhaps had a high stamina cost, it could be used to disable a targets ability to retreat, but missing it would drastically reduce the chance of catching the prey item.

[tall bronze]

Oh yeah I forgot alt attacks exist. And a grab seems likely yeah 😛

I still think it should have fractures even on the basic bite, but the grab would obviously be best since that's hydraulic press mode

[zenith vessel]

I got away from a pachy while fractured, so what use will it have for a rex

In this instance

[keen plover]

lighter fractures on lmb

[obtuse ocean]

Cus if an allo is stupid enough to attack a rex , and get hit by the rex. The rex deserves the food : P

[short spire]

Would be cool if Rex had an attack where it grabs small things and slams them to the ground

[tall bronze]

Prolly. Still a lot since it's T-Rex but relative to the grab, weaker yeah 😛

[zenith vessel]

Rex would just one shot small things so

[tall bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/din0-dinosaur-jurassic-park-rage-gif-12688111

[short spire]

Well, anything half weight or less. Small relative to the rex is what I meant lol 😛

[ocean sentinel]

Yeah, it would be redundant,and just a waste of development resources.

[tall bronze]

Sounds more like an execution

[thin mantle]

Do remember that the JP franchise seems to treat rex like it bites with the strength of a light breeze

[zenith vessel]

And also rex going for small things is a dumb decision for the rex as it would need more food than just a utah for example

[tall bronze]

Yeah ;-;

[slim dragon]

Remember that the rex in JP1 was animated after a dog playing around, so it was probably not biting with its full strength

[thin mantle]

The sheer amount of non lethal neck bites and throws they have them do

[tall bronze]

Same with Anky

Smack in the face full force

literally useless

[thin mantle]

I take no issue with JP1 rex, literally didn’t have the opportunity to display how strong it was so my comment is irrelevant to that…. The rest of the franchise tho…

[zenith vessel]

Well its JP they call Utahs, Velociraptors

[ocean sentinel]

Yeah, both would've onshotted the indominus, they got the first hit. A blow to the head from an anky or a bite to neck from a Rex is death sentence.

[slim dragon]

I only ever watched JP1
And Jurassic World too

[thin mantle]

I wish I could say the same

[ocean sentinel]

That got off topic.

[tall bronze]

🦴

[placid reef]

oh you innocent soul

I had to endure JP3

[slim dragon]

I mean why would I waste time watching the others if I know they're not good ?

[placid reef]

jp2 is good

[zenith vessel]

^

[placid reef]

and jw i can respect since it had a lot of potential part for some segements

the other 3....

[zenith vessel]

JW had more action which is what i liked

[tall bronze]

I like 3 simply for....a certain creature dying for once

[placid reef]

JP3 still is the worst one imo

[tall bronze]

[placid reef]

the premise also had A LOT of potential but fell just short

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-rogue-one-krennic-this-c-lose-gif-10935154

most of it bc of the humans in fairness

[zenith vessel]

If the rex died in dominion to the giga i wouldnt even be that mad, but in 3 it died to a spino 💀

[placid reef]

after it bit Spinos neck multiple times 💀

[zenith vessel]

fr

[tall bronze]

I was just happy something else took the spotlight for once :3 then it went back to Rex always win because Rex

[placid reef]

that was an alberto not rex

[zenith vessel]

lmao

[placid reef]

and now we have Jason Spino

ffs with that movie

[zenith vessel]

Also dominion is 2nd worst imo literally 90% is looking for the girl or finding out why there are big bugs lmao

[placid reef]

didnt even watch dominion but as soon as i saw that they again did 60 plots ik all i needed

and the main plot is again a bunch of bologne

[zenith vessel]

fr

[placid reef]

FK: uhh it ended with act 2
Dominion: LOCUSTS BABY!!!

[zenith vessel]

[azure hinge]

@floral nebula bro how you died has me dying

this game is so bad for fighting its funny

great as a survival rp game tho

[zenith vessel]

He died fairly tho 💀

Also @floral nebula you are out of your mind if you think stego needs buffed

[azure hinge]

He was a mile away from last tail hit what you mean

@zenith vessel

[zenith vessel]

Oh i see now

Yeah stego is just kinda bs

[dusky surge]

lmao idk what a carno was doing fighting a stego or what they expected

[azure hinge]

Like he has a death wish for fighting a stego, but side note stegos hit box with tail makes 0 sense

[dusky surge]

he got tail tip hit

he was on like zero HP, anything would've killed him

[azure hinge]

You see that tail 😂 that's what got him

Thing isn't near him at all

[dusky surge]

best part about that video is that death was completely his fault for taking such a ridiculous fight

[azure hinge]

Yeah for thinking he was going to have a fair fight with a stego

[dusky surge]

yea, why would you, as a small game hunter, want a fair fight with a stego?

it shouldn't be a fair fight

it's a 1v1 with an animal over 3x your weight and a giant fucking spiked tail

[azure hinge]

I mean he didn't die to stego though he died too the air 😂

[dusky surge]

he died to the stego lmao

[azure hinge]

It wasn't fair the stego had 90% of his hp left

Look at my screen shot the air definitely got him

[dusky surge]

idk why you want it to be fair

its not ever going to be fair

[azure hinge]

It wasn't fair his bites only got the stego to 90% probably

I just don't want people dying to the air

Idk what your point is

[dusky surge]

he died to the tail and it's his fault for fighting a stego. Easily could've kept walking and kept living

latency is a thing

[azure hinge]

You my friend is like talking to a wall

The stego had 90% hp it wasn't a fair fight

[dusky surge]

Okay? What the hell do you mean by "fair fight"?

[azure hinge]

He took the fight realized he might die, ran away but died because of buggy net code

Not have buggy net code so he doesn't get killed by the air

[dusky surge]

buggy netcode and lag are very different

you can have flawless netcode and still get lag

[azure hinge]

That wasn't lag, that was bad net code

[dusky surge]

and how can you tell lmao

[azure hinge]

Because it was most likely a massive desync

[dusky surge]

also wait what the fuck he didn't die to air he was literally in tail range in the video

it was a tailtip attack

the tail could still easily reach him

[azure hinge]

What show me the frame that the tail touches him

Or even gets near him

[dusky surge]

you can see it coming back after the stego swipes

[azure hinge]

No stop the video at the frame that makes you think it hits him

[dusky surge]

you cant see it do it because the carno
A: Isn't looking at the stego
B: Got hit on the tail, because the point of impact is often represented through a bloodsplat which we can't see in the video

[azure hinge]

Let's see it I'm not going to talk about something you can just show me

[dusky surge]

His tail was out of frame

[azure hinge]

......

You're wild

[dusky surge]

he was 100% hit on the tail

there was no visible blood impact point in the carno and the tail can be seen retracting from the carno's tail

[azure hinge]

I showed you the frame where you see the tail extend its furthest what you mean

I'll post it again for people that have eyes

[dusky surge]

that was it coming back

that frame does not show the time of impact

[dusky surge]

that's not when it impacted

[azure hinge]

That was not it coming back

[dusky surge]

that was well after the impact

[lament cloak]

Notice how the carnos head and tail are already limping? This is a good .5 seconds after the tail made contact

[azure hinge]

Bro the tail was still moving forward when he turned the camera towards it

[dusky surge]

no it wasnt lmao

[azure hinge]

Yes it was

[lament cloak]

For someone making fun of people who you think don't have eyes, you seem pretty confident that you know that's what's happening even though it pretty clearly isnt

[dusky surge]

All the evidence points to a tailswipe, since if it was desync, we would've seen the point of impact anywhere else on the body

There is always a little blood splatter to indicate where you were hit

[mental roost]

0:30; you can literally see the tail swing through the tail and come back to the stego. You can't see the point of impact on the carno's tail due to the camera but it did connect. Paused the video, full screened, with a 1920x1080 resolution

[dusky surge]

It's 100% a tail hit and the carno was 100% still in range

[azure hinge]

No he doesn't move his camera at all since point of impact and it doesn't show on his screen until later

[dusky surge]

he moves the camera well after dying

[azure hinge]

Ergo it was still moving forward my screen shot still shows furthest point of impact

No my screenshot has no camera movement

[dusky surge]

yes it does what

[azure hinge]

So it came into view without any camera movement since he died

[azure hinge]

I didn't make fun of anyone don't be weird

[hollow canyon]

There's 0 way he wasn't getting hit there by that Stego

that Stego was also nowhere even near dying

[azure hinge]

Yeah the stego was probably 90 95% easy

[mental roost]

Your screenshot was after the point of impact.. And there's a thing called : camera FOV, that can make some hits not be visible.

It's a thing Tenoto has as well, due to how long it is(ei , the entire Tenoto isn't on screen, leaving some tiny portion of its tail out of view that is still able to be hit).

[hollow canyon]

less than that but still

he was biting the body of a 6t herbivore as a small game hunter

it really couldn't have gone any differently

[dusky surge]

im honestly shocked he lived as long as he did frankly

[hollow canyon]

The only thing that surprised me was just how fast Carno was swimming

I really thought it swam slower than that

then again I haven't touched Carno in quite some time now

[mental roost]

He could've gone for one of the juvi Stegos instead.

The damn adult Stego even kills one of them by complete accident.

[azure hinge]

Yeah I get that but you see the full view of the tail from when he died at its furthest point before he moves his camera it comes into view

[dusky surge]

i think it can carry sprint momentum into swimming

[hollow canyon]

No, it's not about carrying the momentum

he just swam fast, that clip is too long for it to be just the momentum

[dusky surge]

okay yea

that is weirdly fast

[azure hinge]

I don't disagree I could be wrong on maybe it could reach his tail but the furthest point of the tail swing does come into view

[hollow canyon]

In general - no way he was surviving that the moment Stego started swinging

it's a miracle he even lived long enough to get on the shore

well not so much a miracle but Stego just being bad

Does Carno even have Stego on its diet?

[azure hinge]

no idea but thats not really the point i was making

[dusky surge]

nope

[azure hinge]

more of just how bad the desync was

[dusky surge]

carno was going out of its way to kill itself

[azure hinge]

yeah true

[dusky surge]

for absolutely no potential benefit

[azure hinge]

i said he had a death wish

[hollow canyon]

I don't think it was desync, it's just how the game registers hits

[azure hinge]

i mean for fun, he wanted to have some fun fight something stronger than it, but the thing he didnt realize is that this thing can hit from a mile away

[dusky surge]

also i think the thag has a kind of circular hitbox around it

[hollow canyon]

he didn't get hit from a mile away

that hit would've easily connected with the base of his tail

that's some 300+ damage

easily

as long as during the attack animation the tail makes any contact with the base of his tail he instantly gets slapped with that damage, that's just how locational works

[azure hinge]

idk id say maybe it hit the very very very tip of his tail and thats it cause its the only thing the video doesnt show, so im giving you guys the benefit of the doubt

[hollow canyon]

in general from what I remember - unless you hit the locational area that has the priority - the area with the highest multiplier gets hit

which - there was no area with high priority in the way of that attack I believe and even if there was - those areas would've been enough to kill that Carno

and remember that it's a video game

it's not like real life where a swing gets slowed down by things

so if you swing through the whole animal it will stop on some part of its body

[azure hinge]

yeah but it didnt hit him at all is all im saying

[hollow canyon]

it definitely hit him

at that distance idk what would have to happen for him not to get hit

[azure hinge]

you see this the exact frame where he dies

[dusky surge]

notice how you cant see the tail tip

[hollow canyon]

yea he's getting hit there

[azure hinge]

no tail in frame

[dusky surge]

hes getting hit

[azure hinge]

0 screen movement

[hollow canyon]

no way he isn't

[azure hinge]

tail in screen

so ergo that was the furthest point of the tail swing

since its the only part where it enters his screen

yes this is correct

frame by frame he doesnt move his camera and the tail comes into view

granted it could of hit his tail that is out of view

but also hard to believe his tail sticked out that much

[hollow canyon]

yes that is exactly what we're saying

[azure hinge]

yes im saying i dont think thats likely but you know what i cant prove you wrong by the video

but i can show how unlikely it is because look at the tail when it enters his screen it is his furthest point of the swing

[hollow canyon]

last point - you wouldn't be able see much if anything at all - he pops up the character screen during the hit

[azure hinge]

he died before he pulled up his screen

that first screen shot i showed was the frame where he got hit

[lament cloak]

"I'll post it again for people that have eyes"

[azure hinge]

that doesnt make fun of anyone? thats like saying it is clearly there in the video it shows the furthest point of the tail swing

[hollow canyon]

The other interesting thing about that clip is... is that a subadult Stego?

That's what the author claims

but ermm, it's absolutely enormous compared to the Carno

I have a tough time believing it's not at least a fresh adult

I actually doubt that subadult of any size can even 2shot a Carno

a fully grown one that is

[azure hinge]

i think the guy doesnt know that cuts does not = hp lost either

and yeah idk if its sub adult either

o wait yeah he is being full sarcastic but yeah i cant tell if thats sub or not

[hollow canyon]

there's no way that's a subadult Stego

[mental roost]

I imagine it could be possible with headshots?? But it'd likely have to be a pretty large sub adult Stego in that case.

[azure hinge]

i wouldnt have a clue, tbh stegos are hard to tell their size at least for me

[hollow canyon]

I don't believe the damage output of Stego scales fast enough for a subadult to be able to 2shot a Carno