balance-feedback-discussion

[fresh laurel]

1/6 of a legacy rex hp...

[hollow canyon]

Rex had 6500hp

[fresh laurel]

oh yea

[hollow canyon]

Giga had 6000hp, so 1/6th of Giga's hp

[fresh laurel]

then remove rex put giga

[fresh laurel]

remember guys... rex had more hp and dmg and speed than giga

:D

[hollow canyon]

Giga was just fine, had more weight, more bleed, faster trot and stamina regen

and I say it as a person who's played mainly Giga

[fresh laurel]

what did weight do exactly

fellow giga main? respect

[hollow canyon]

weight was a multiplier - it determined how different animals interacted with one another whiel attacking each other

[fresh laurel]

like dmg increase when biting something half your weight?

or...

[hollow canyon]

e.g. if Rex bit Giga Rex had 1200N biteforce but Giga was heavier. For its real damage you need to do a calculation:

Rex's weight=5800 divided by Giga's weight=6450 multiplied by Rex's damage=1200

so (5800/6450)x1200=~1080

ngl, I think that system was a very good one and it solved a lot of issues that Evrima will have

[fresh laurel]

just remembered deino could almost lunge a rex

[hollow canyon]

weight in legacy was a different stat than in Evrima

[fresh laurel]

what issues will evrima have that legacy weight could fix?

also how does evrima weight work besides the new hp thing

[hollow canyon]

damage of animals of different sizes

Evrima's weight determines the food yield of a body and the interactions between different animals

[fresh laurel]

wouldnt that idk make it even harder for something like utah or dilo to fight

like utah doing reduced dmg

[hollow canyon]

e.g. it determines whether you can lunge something, whether you stun something, whether you stagger it, knock it down, pin it or just latch onto it

[hollow canyon]

yesn't

It would make it so that Utah could have a higher biteforce

[fresh laurel]

100n

[hollow canyon]

because weight would be the thing that would make it not as potent at biting things 10 times its size to the death

legacy Utah had 200N biteforce iirc and 20bleed

that's same biteforce as Carno

[fresh laurel]

lmao

to be fair as you said utah did reduced dmg to carno and carno did more?

[hollow canyon]

but it worked because Carno was heavier

Yes

[fresh laurel]

either way carno had the hp advantage too

couldnt carno 2 or 3 shot utah?

[hollow canyon]

nah

[fresh laurel]

what was the amount?

[hollow canyon]

I mean

you could three shot it, but definitely not 2 shot it

[fresh laurel]

legacy weight system does sound a lot better but uh

wouldnt it be a lot of work to rework how weight works in evrima?

[hollow canyon]

probably yes, I wouldn't assume that the devs would want to bring that system back in

the community seems to be allergic to it

I've always thought that conceptually it was a very solid system

it does have some issues though

[fresh laurel]

evrima weight system sounds more simple though

it makes you deal solid damage to things no matter what right?

[hollow canyon]

yea which is imo bad

[fresh laurel]

for realism maybe legacy weight works

[hollow canyon]

Idk, there's no point in discussing it since that system isn't coming back I think

[fresh laurel]

it could become a mod anyways

[hollow canyon]

the best system would probably be one that determines how much damage is dealt based on what atacks what

[dusky surge]

i personally fucking hate the legacy weight system

[fresh laurel]

never really affected me in combat tbh

i normally fought things my size so maybe thats why

[dusky surge]

feels like just more clutter on a system that otherwise could've easily worked as "this does this much damage"

[elder steppe]

Hey can crocs get sick from eating to much, just got a non glitched fish

[dusky surge]

crocs cant get sick

[hollow canyon]

nope

[dusky surge]

just like irl gators, they literally cannot get sick

[spare badger]

They can get sick
I heard of this illness that when Crocs cannibalized it spread and killed them, for their body to be eaten by another Croc

Although I think that had to do with humans building a dam

[alpine plover]

@inner lynx then it should have the 0% growth boost, what means growing to 100% in 6/7 hours

[hexed sorrel]

the problem with carnos back then were they kept fucking facetanking. but u seriously thing there ISNT a problem for carno bite being pretty much the same as teno tail slam? u serious? maybe reduce the stun, that was the problem, tenos got to tailslam 3 times when you were stunned, maybe reduce it to get you tailslamed 1 extra time or 2. and for the fracture thing, it REALLY seems like it is. I couldnt count how many times I hit the LEG of the and getting body frature, maybe the hitboxes are messed up but I swear sometimes I get it 1st try and others I get it the 5th

[dusky surge]

what are you talking about

teno tailslam outdamages carno bite by a long shot

also stun duration is universal

there's stun and knockdown, both of which are universal mechanics

there isn't an animal that stuns longer or shorter than another animal

reverting carno and teno back to their update 3.75 stages will make a boring teno and a carno that gets effortlessly stomped by any competent teno

[ocean wagon]

These carno stats are arguably the best ones we’ve had. I have yet to see a competent teno complain about soloing a carno. Everytime someone brings “evidence” of teno supposedly being so defenseless towards a solo carno, the teno always do something stupid like getting charged by a carno. And the carno capitalized on it. Or they show a video of a teno getting mobbed by carno pack and somehow expected to live through it

[dusky surge]

while i do believe teno needs a buff, nerfing one animal and buffing another is what got us in this position with the carno in the first place

[ocean wagon]

The only buff teno really needs is tail slam stam management and maaybee increased bleed on the back kick

[dusky surge]

simply put, give teno a little bit of love and don't change carno. Bring teno to carno's level, don't try to weaken carno and buff teno because then all it will do is mirror the issue

carno isn't even as strong as prior iterations lmao yet people still want it nerfed

it's literally becoming an inverse power creep where everything keeps getting weaker

[thin mantle]

Basically yeah, carno has really never been smoother

[alpine plover]

Yes, people think carno is much better than before, when the real issue is herbivores are much weaker, the problem is the herbivore nerfs and not carno buffs

[thin mantle]

That and dietary ease

on both sides

[dusky surge]

this holy shit

[thin mantle]

Carnis really don't need the "free nutrients till 50%" anymore

[alpine plover]

But diet causes the megapack problem, not the balance one

[thin mantle]

A massive chunk of the gameplay quality rn is the shear overwhelming majority of carno and utah players, their numbers feeds into the fairness of their balance

[alpine plover]

The reasong behind my point is that growing faster doesnt make the playable better for combat

[thin mantle]

Utah isn't considered for balance outside of it's use in numbers generally

[thin mantle]

Ofcourse it doesn't, and this isn't even growth speed based, just the ease of gaining nutrients for carnis and the absolute grind that which are herbi diets

[alpine plover]

Yeah i got you

[alpine plover]

They should remove the free perfect diet for carnivores before 50% but first they have to make ai respawn quicker, and also expand where ai can br find, so carnivores can kill something when they are hatchlings

I mean, theres like one goat every 5 sumac plants (aproximation based on my experience)

[thin mantle]

Yeah that works perfectly

I play mostly Carni's and teno, I can't describe how unsatisfying carni growth is rn.. it's so boring

[alpine plover]

Also ai should be ambushable, rn ai always see you and most ai that gives nutrients is faster than any carnivore hatchling

[thin mantle]

Yeah crouch needs to reduce detection range for AI

Significantly....

[alpine plover]

And then to fix combat balance the first thing they should do is revert teno changes, then wait some weeks and if it doesnt work you try other things, what we dont need is both nerfs and buffs at the same time, or this unbalance will be repeated every new patch

[thin mantle]

Tbh, the kickbox just needs to be longer and more reliable, claws need more bleed damage, and slam must require less stam. I really don't think teno's balance should be reversed, it's new balance makes it far more interesting to both fight against and as

[alpine plover]

Well I dont really know, I've only used deino and stego since the patch, the only thing I'm sure is carno must not be nerfed

[thin mantle]

Well I certainly agree with that, I've played all dinos since patch besides hypsi, I've at least grown 1 of each and I've grown 4 tenos... teno feels so much better now aside from the unreliability of it's kick

[vague hornet]

The game's dino roster seems to be in a pretty decent place rn in terms of balance

[alpine plover]

Oh no, an intelligent dude

[hasty coyote]

It isn’t too bad, but there are still issues, hence why the carno swarms exist. Also, dryo and hypsi are nonexistent, and pt is being nerfed into the ground so hard it shouldn’t be able to fly lol.

[old hull]

here i was having some hope reading the balance feedback seeing quite a few people saying how stupid the carno buffs are , and then i see just as many what can i only assume to be crazy people think the current carno is "balanced"

[vague hornet]

there are problems, im just saying overall things are decent and have only gotten better. carnos just need to be put in their place in terms of their diet routine imo

[old hull]

carno atm and it has been like this ever since it was added , its stupid easy to play , litterally anyone with a fraction of a brain can use it and do well , while also being the fastest dino on land , you just cant have it be that way

if something is so easy to use , never have it be the strongest in anyway

[sinful cove]

lmao somebody asking for a carno buff in feedback are they insane

[old hull]

reward smart play more then mediocre one

[old hull]

oh those people will not rest until carno can 1 shot stego and deino and have the best swim speed , the ability to fly and unlimited stamina

hell why stop there , lets shorten its growth time to 10 seconds , i think that would be nice

[sinful cove]

no cap, carno mains are out of their minds rn

[old hull]

my mom keeps yelling at me go do my homework so i cant be expected to actually grow my op carno 👶 🍼

[sinful cove]

its ok you can just eat 1 sea turtle and afk in a bush while you do your homework

carnos grow like chia pets

[old hull]

true lmao

its actually funny that they have the diets forcing herbivores to travel (which is good) but they think leaving the carnivore diets the same

[sinful cove]

they took "herbivores should travel" and pushed it way too far

[old hull]

why dont you just put a message upon joining a server that says if you want to play anything other then carno you should fuck off lol

[sinful cove]

meanwhile carnis can eat an ai in what ever region they choose and afk away from activity

they should just make every other animal ai except carno and stego because theyre the only ones that arent lame af rn

[old hull]

true

[sinful cove]

tenontos and pachies get dunked on unless the carno has the brain capacity below that of a house fly, utah is broken, deino is apparently broken

ptera is ok i guess

[old hull]

deino had its face turned into a halo grav lift , you just shoot people into the sky now lmao

[sinful cove]

carno is as agile as a utah and can brawl evenly in the melee with a brawler that is slower than it

fastest land animal in the game and it has an even brawl with things that it controls the engagement against. beautiful game balance

[old hull]

its actually hilarious how they managed to make carno even more broken then it was during the carnopocalypse lol

[sinful cove]

its about even with that, i think tenonto was a bit more pathetic durng the qa carnopocalypse

[fresh laurel]

think they want to summon update 2 carno from the gates of hell

[sinful cove]

unleash the beast

[old hull]

now think about this , its been a nightmare dealing with carnos terrible balancing for over a year now , and it is one of the smallest midtier carnivores on the list

[fresh laurel]

we need update 2 utah the world needs him

[old hull]

now imagine how bad the rest of the carnivores could be balanced in the future at this rate lol

[sinful cove]

imagine them balancing the venomous dinos

[old hull]

cerato will be able to grab fully grown stegos and just bite them in half

[fresh laurel]

cera now is immune to stun,bleed,bone break and venom

[hasty coyote]

Cera is now immune to all damage. Good luck

[old hull]

its scary that while that is obviously an exageration , i can totally see that happening

[hasty coyote]

As like an April fools update lmao

Just completely ruins all the balance

[sinful cove]

i can see just about any outrageous bullshit happening in balance patches, with the track record this game has

[alpine plover]

Oh no, you are of the ones that think the problem is carno buffs

[sinful cove]

oh no the carno main has arrived

[fresh laurel]

"We think this will help bring cerato to fill out its niche in the ecosystem as a carnivore that can take one hell of a beating"

[old hull]

i dont think its JUST the carno buffs but for sure they are part of it

[hasty coyote]

It’s a mix of carno buffs, herbie nerfs, and the diet

[old hull]

^ precisely

[hasty coyote]

All at once shifted it too much

[fresh laurel]

utah love next update?

[alpine plover]

Is mostly herbi nerfs, carno turning speed buff isnt even that powerful

[hasty coyote]

Hypsi or dryo love

[old hull]

some of the carno changed i agree with , like the changes to the charge , altho i think even those went a bit too far

[sinful cove]

they should have just removed oasis and fixed the pachy parry issue before making any other changes

[fresh laurel]

to be fair herbivores were so broken back then ngl

well mostly pachy but >:(

[alpine plover]

I didnt saw anyone complaining about teno and pachy when they were easier to play than stealing a lolipop from a baby

[sinful cove]

they make way too many damn changes at once because they seem to be afraid of doing regular small patches vs occasional big ones

[fresh laurel]

you didnt play utah then

[sinful cove]

you must have been blind because the feedback channels were full of that

[fresh laurel]

^

[alpine plover]

Yes but i havent said anything about utah

[old hull]

indeed

[hasty coyote]

It is for pachies now with their turning nerfs. It makes it really difficult to get a carno off of you. Unless the carno is bad or you know what you are doing

[sinful cove]

even if the carno is bad it can still dunk on a pachy

[fresh laurel]

most utah players i meant agreed on some herbivore buffs since they were too over tuned...

[alpine plover]

And yes I'm a carno main but also want carno turning speed buff reverted

[hasty coyote]

The ram turning is fine, it’s the regular turning that’s bad

[old hull]

exactly , on the patch before this one carno vs pachy was basically 50/50 depending on the who is better , now carno has litterally nothing to fear , just walk up to 5 pachies and spam left click and you win

[alpine plover]

Well, is not that i want it but I know is not fair

[alpine plover]

Yes pachy was 50/50 with carno, but in 1vs1, that is crzy

[old hull]

why is it crazy , carno is faster , if you dont want to fight then you can just run

the pachy is forced to engage a carno , the carno is not

[alpine plover]

Because a solo pachy should be 20/100 against carno, I mean, pachy is the perfect carno prey, little slow low tier herbivore

[hasty coyote]

The 1v1 should end with a broken carno or a dead pachy. Pachy should never kill a carno 1v1

[old hull]

and if you play your carno smart you can nail a pachy with 1 charge and its dead

no risk to yourself at all

i would say that is more then fair

[fresh laurel]

Tenontosaurus

• Buff kick hitbox
• Reduced tail slam stamina cost
  Pachycephalosaurus
• Adjusted juvenile's animations
  Stegosasurus
• Deleted

[hasty coyote]

Yeah, but then why play pachy if it takes nearly as long to grow, but dies much easier

[alpine plover]

Pachy was obviously overtuned, carnos were scared of pachys, it felt and was wrong

[hasty coyote]

Yes, that I agree

[fresh laurel]

pachys were kinda godly

like wow

now i think pachy is balanced tbh

[alpine plover]

And teno was good before, only carnos with skill issue asked for teno nerfs

[fresh laurel]

just hard to balance it against carno which is stronger and faster

while still balancing it against other mid tiers

[hasty coyote]

Eh, it just needs a way to escape now. The fights are fine tho

[fresh laurel]

maybe increase its headbutt bone dmg

dont some attacks have certain dmg to bones?

[alpine plover]

Like I said pachy is the perfect prey for a carno, so if you make pachy a good carno killer it feels wrong and op

[old hull]

i played both and the only times i was concerned as a carno was if i attacked multiple pachies , fighting 1 is easy you just cant brawl with it

[fresh laurel]

pachy needs to somehow tell carno to piss off while not killing it out right

[hasty coyote]

The break is almost guaranteed, so that’s fine. It’s just hard to escape afterwards

[fresh laurel]

cus oh boy did pachys love killing carnos

[fresh laurel]

if you land leg break doesnt that let you get away?

carnos freaking damn slow with broken leg

[alpine plover]

This is part of the balance fix I wrote yesterday:

-Pachy, pachy nerfs are ok but a buff that it must have, and I'm a carno main, is that a full charged ram should fracture a carno with an effectivity of a 100% but the ram should have a cooldown if the ram hits and should not be able to parry (in case the parry thing is a bug then just fix it) this way if the carno misses the charge, pachy can ram it cause a leg fracture and then run, thanks to fixing the parry and the ram cooldown the pachy wont follow the carno to kill it like prepatch, also with this changes a BAD carno can't win a 1vs2+.

[hasty coyote]

It shouldn’t kill, just break. Carno gets another chance to hunt and pachy lives

[fresh laurel]

rate

now

[alpine plover]

I would like that you read this

[old hull]

im cool with that suggestion

[hasty coyote]

I don’t think pachy can kill anymore without vastly outnumbering the carno. Ramming costs too much stam

[fresh laurel]

pachy cant really spam ram anymore

plus it has more endlag now iirc

[alpine plover]

Thats the point, pachy after fracturing carno should run away, not finishing the work

[hasty coyote]

Exactly what I’m saying

[fresh laurel]

but with stam cost it would be kinda dumb to keep going while risking a bunch of misses

[hasty coyote]

It just has issues running now

[alpine plover]

Then what arent you agreeing with?

[fresh laurel]

smarter for pachy to run

[alpine plover]

Yes... Obvious

[fresh laurel]

so whats the need to change of ramming works

[hasty coyote]

I don’t agree that pachy should die 80% of fights

[fresh laurel]

as rapdex said pachy has trouble getting away after ramming

plus 2 carnos kinda are the end of pachys life at that point

[alpine plover]

How much stamina takes a ram?

[hasty coyote]

Like 10%, and running takes a lot too

Plus missed rams

[alpine plover]

Well, most pachys I encountered didnt missed many rams

But thank you both for the feedback, i will change some things

Also I will post my idea for teno balance

-Teno, first revert all changes* but keeping kick's new damage, now let's talk about kick vs slam, kick should be used to run away from predators and slam to defend against them, to make this difference possible add a tail slam cooldown of 1 second after stopping to run (I know this sounds like making tail slam even useless *but remember I have said tail slam would have prepatch damage) this change would make kick and tailslam better depending on the situation, if you are full health you use tail slam, if this does not work and you get injured you can run away and when the carno or utah gets behind you, you kick it stunning and damaging him and keep running, one last thing is a little nerf, make the tail slam stun last less longer, instead of being able to tail slam two times after stunning the predator with a first slam, teno should be able to slam just one more time (and again, this sounds like making slam weaker but remember it would have prepatch damage).

[fresh laurel]

ima be honest

i kinda disagree with that

nothing is stopping teno from doing the funky tail slam to out range somethings bite while taking reduced dmg on the tail

and couldnt teno just combo tail and kick?

also kick hitbox is still trash to try and land alone soo...

[hasty coyote]

Still, you norm start running with 60% or less stam

[alpine plover]

@supple light if pachy was fine prepatch they wouldnt been hunting downs carnos

[supple light]

Removal of the hotspot fixed that, along with moving diets around. There's no point in sitting in one place anymore. Besides, in my experience playing pachy pre-update, everyone (meaning tenos, stegos, pachy, etc) would hang out at Oasis, eventually everyone is grown and you'd get megapacks of carnos coming through. Pachy is designed to be defense, but with the protection around Oasis it could play offense. Without that, it's starting to be played as intended. Just weak af now lol

[alpine plover]

Also you said only bad carnos didnt killed pachys before, well, bad pachys killed good carnos befor too

[supple light]

I'm not saying only good carnos killed pachy and only bad ones didn't. Plenty of bad ones killed pachy. In groups where they are outnumbered. Good carnos had a much easier time killing them and didn't whine about it being OP

[alpine plover]

When pachy has more than 50% probabilities of KILLING carno 1vs1 soemthing is wrong there

[supple light]

1v1 a pachy is quite well doomed. Carno is faster, stronger, and has better stam and turn radius, all pre-update.

[alpine plover]

I've never seen a bad carno killing pachy pack (prepatch)

[alpine plover]

Now it is

[supple light]

Cool, I have, plenty of times. Sorry you didn't get to see it, but it did very much happen

[alpine plover]

I mean, pachy is the perfect carno prey, slow low tier

[supple light]

Exactly and it's a prey animal of course it's good carno prey. It's just not worth playing due to the nerfs. Nothing is wrong with carno, it's quite fine where it is, there's just no reward in playing herbi right now

[alpine plover]

And what did those bad carnos do?

[supple light]

Kill them? At the time carnos would roll in, in large groups, and kill pachy. If you're thinking I'm saying lone carnos are killing them, yeah the good ones are, bad ones are in megapacks for easier play

[wintry mountain]

"Carno is faster, stronger, and has better stam and turn radius, all pre-update."

Outside of the faster and overall raw strength, this is factually incorrect. And the only time a pachy turns worse is when holding down its charged ram which is pretty universally agreed upon being over done

[alpine plover]

Well, as long as you think carno is fine and doesnt need to be nerfed I'm ok with whatever you say

[supple light]

Okay dude lol

[supple light]

In my experience, being hunted down by a lone carno, 1v1, if I turn at any point it gives the carno a chance to get 2+ hits on me. And when using carno the correct away (against a pachy) this is how it's intended to go

My singular point in what I said about pachy is that the nerfs it received weren't necessary. Carno is a fast, ambush predator, of course it's going to have the upper hand. Never did I say that Pachy should be able to singlehandedly kill a carno. The issue is that after the update, a carno killing a perfect pachy is waaaay easier than it needs to be, and makes playing pachy no longer worth the trouble because it has no chance at defense

[wintry mountain]

I dont disagree that pachy is in a rough spot, but it's issues stem from a lot more than simple stat things

It's biggest issue overall is mechanical

The ram isn't reliable, meaning its main defense and escape mechanicsm, leg break, is all but null atm, which in of itself needs resolving

[supple light]

I highly agree with ram instability. In the situations that I have had to fight a carno post update, I got almost no hits. That's a good point that you called me out on, and I should've mentioned it in my suggestion. I'll go back and edit that for some clarification

[hasty coyote]

i mostly play pachy, and i can tell yall, the combat against carnos is in a decent spot. the issue is directly afterwards, it cant escape. Pachy is supposed to break a bone, maybe 2, then run for its life. You can break the bone, but running is near impossible when the carno can almost out-run you (unless you broke its legs) and can track you easily with the scent system. The main way I survive is by breaking a bone, then running to larger herbies or into the forest. Neither of which is reliable.

[rancid bluff]

yeah, that sounds about right

[fresh laurel]

3 hits is cap

pretty sure its 5 though

[hollow canyon]

it's not

unless Stego is hitting headshots

[rancid bluff]

ptera try to not be made into a paperweight in the isle

[fresh laurel]

(real)

Utah try not to miss pounce challenge

Carno try not to one call challenge

[hollow canyon]

I know this might be a shocker to some people but Pteranodon wasn't a very big animal

[fresh laurel]

think they took pce too far

[hollow canyon]

it would likely get murdered by a young Utahraptor

[fresh laurel]

my fresh spawn utah clapped a full grown ptera lmao

[rancid bluff]

yeah but it's not 4 shot kill to a dryo small

[hollow canyon]

Yea idk about that. it could maybe survive if Dryo just threw it mass around at it but I think it would likely be in a really bad state

[rancid bluff]

seriously what is it with carnos and 1 calling

[hollow canyon]

Dryo weighs like 3 times more, now imagine if an animal three times larger attacked you

[fresh laurel]

they watched too much jurassic park ig

[hollow canyon]

Not even talking about any biting or clawing, but it would likely hurt you really badly just by the virtue of being more massive

[rancid bluff]

I liked ptera a lot more in update 3 than any other updates
in update 3 it could actually damage wounded dinos

sure it'd take effort, but it could do it

[fresh laurel]

update 3 ptera felt like how quetz should be tbh

[rancid bluff]

meanwhile now it's just... I don't even know how to describe it's current state, it isn't even there at this point it feels transparent

[fresh laurel]

though i think devs could try helping ptera right now feel like its apart of the ecosystem

right now its a glorified spectator mode :p

[rancid bluff]

ehhh no, I think a quetz would do a lot more damage to an injured carno in 5 minutes than a ptera would, even update 3 ptera

[fresh laurel]

quetz is a glass canon

update 3 ptera was basically that

[rancid bluff]

there's a lot more interesting things that can be done with quetz, as long as it isn't killing rexes or being slaughtered by solo utahs I think quetz is good

[fresh laurel]

quetz will get killed by a solo utah

if utah ambushes

Afterall quetz is like 500 pounds

[rancid bluff]

I think a good utah should be able to 1v1 a quetz, hopefully a utah doesn't just pin a quetz, and besides weight should never equal health

[fresh laurel]

yea... but some people dont know why that shouldnt lol

utah should prob get 2 or one tapped by quetz

but quetz is done if its pounced by utah

[rancid bluff]

imagine a utah getting stuck on a quetz beak like it does on stego's tail

[fresh laurel]

i really still hate the whole weight = hp

and health lock again is useless

what is the reason of having health lock rn...

really only benefits pack hunters

health lock was made to reduce people fighting and killing for no reason right?

[rancid bluff]

yeah, birds of prey are a good example of why weight shouldn't be the same as health, I saw a video of an eagle that grabbed onto a goat and tumbled hundreds of feet down a mountain, the goat landing on the eagle numerous times, and when they landed both got up like nothing happened, though the eagle had to readjust its feathers a little

[fresh laurel]

to be fair bird fluff is good protection

[rancid bluff]

another reason why to give quetz and ptera some fluff

[fresh laurel]

i really want quetz fluff tbh

ptera could look nice with fluff ngl...

but uh utah fluff ayo?

imagine your feathers getting bloody after pouncing

[rancid bluff]

right here's a really nice, bulky ptera with some fluff, I'd love to see this in game
#isle-fan-art message

[fresh laurel]

ima just wow

like woah

that looks like a fish worst nightmare lmao

[rancid bluff]

yeah, people really underestimate the stuff you can do with pterosaurs

it doesn't take much

[fresh laurel]

look at this idea...https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401481371249541120/931024927560183898/RealisticUtahraptortheIsle.png

89 upvotes too

people really want ootah remodel instead of jp ootah

[rancid bluff]

oh yeah I've seen that so many times if you strip a feathered dinosaur of its feathers you have to make it look natural by giving it bulk, the current utah model does a horrible job at that, the old one did pretty well, but that drawing does it perfectly

[fresh laurel]

current utah looks like a dryo kick would break its legs ngl

[rancid bluff]

don't get me started on its little arms

[fresh laurel]

you mean broken arms

curls so weird...

[rancid bluff]

snap crackle pop

and back to the ptera topic, ptera should also be noticeably muscular unlike the ptera model we have in game

believe it or not but it takes a lot more than just skin on top of bone to lift something of pteras size

[fresh laurel]

finally understood what you meant here lmao

my brain is dying rn

remove something that looks buff with feathers, then you have to make it look buff with its own body

[fresh laurel]

ptera flying animations always felt odd to me ngl...

[rancid bluff]

I would love it if they made quetz and ptera more muscular than they are now, ptera mainly, poor thing looks like it could be tossed by a toddler like a paper airplane

[fresh laurel]

ptera rn looks like throwing a rock at it would knock it out of the sky tbh

[rancid bluff]

it looks like throwing a rock at it could snap its neck

[fresh laurel]

looks like stepping on it by accident kills it

[rancid bluff]

currently what we have in game is an even slimmer version of the incorrect wing muscle

[fresh laurel]

damn

[rancid bluff]

I mean for fucks sake if you gave ptera maximum musculature (without looking ridiculous of course) it could look like something to worry about

[fresh laurel]

too bad devs dont have remodels on their agenda for a long time

still kinda prefer old utah model legacy a bit ngl

[rancid bluff]

you mean legacy model or the old utah?

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/CAu3aiV51EO0eL0OgQUuWFkjsCLqVYD84KfL-pAZlYM/https/media.discordapp.net/attachments/855535605178171422/945607028510961694/IMG_20220215_044239_109.jpg

[fresh laurel]

current legacy model

old one looks too jurassic park tbh

also amazing picture XD

you just gotta add evrima ootah

[rancid bluff]

I liked the old utah model more than the one we have now, the only thing the current one has over it is proportions

and also the old sounds were much better

[fresh laurel]

old sounds were actually original, ahem one call

i would really only replace utah one call and REMOVE THE GOD DAMN PURRING

why does utah purr like a cat...

[rancid bluff]

and fun fact: the utah model we have in game as of now has wrinkles where its feathers would be instead of scales
suggesting that the isle's utahraptors aren't naturally missing feathers

the old utah model did have scales on its whole mode

[fresh laurel]

its a reptile!

so uh remove utah purr though?

[rancid bluff]

yeah I don't understand a lot of the calls

unless the devs just want to emphasize the uwutah

[fresh laurel]

NOOO

pls dont encourage the role players

i dont want shadowutahgod6969 to return :(

[rancid bluff]

purrr purrrrrr look at me, I'm the largest dromeosaur, I was plucked by all of my feathers when I was born

[fresh laurel]

wait

dont cats purr when happy?

[rancid bluff]

UtahFan2009

[rancid bluff]

meanwhile utah still purrs when its hiding in a bush as a carno closes in

[fresh laurel]

if so why is my utah purring when i hide in a bush from a carno

oh wait we thought the same thing lmao

me when my utah is purring in the middle of a gang war....

so does mean my utah likes to see the face of death....

[rancid bluff]

why does utah even purr so loudly

[fresh laurel]

better question is why cant we give it legacy pounce back

i miss being able to choose to latch on and chill or start biting the thing to death

[rancid bluff]

let's be real, if I looked like a Utahraptor from the isle I'd be happy to see the curtains close too

[fresh laurel]

ngl i would too

[rancid bluff]

which could also make friendly fire less common between pounces when you actually get to decide to maul the victim
not to mention the shant and cama taxies were comedy gold

[fresh laurel]

also best part is...

they could make it so when you arent biting something you latched onto...

you can brace against buck that way

pounce vs buck imo should have more counter play for utah besides just jump off

[rancid bluff]

oh yeah that's a good idea, if you stopped attacking while latched as they bucked the effect gets reduced

ofc not entirely reduced so bucking wouldn't be useless

but yeah pouncing needs a rework

[fresh laurel]

https://youtu.be/vDcyVIiDkO4?t=420

watch at the time stamp

why cant we have that too

[rancid bluff]

I don't need videos, I was there when they added pouncing

in fact I was there when they added quetz

[fresh laurel]

pouncing the victim when they are swimming

[rancid bluff]

pouncing used to be really fun to use

especially jumping off of a cliff and pouncing on a cama

[fresh laurel]

lmao

[dusky surge]

i still dont understand why people are so upset that the non-combat dino has stats that aren't good in combat

[rancid bluff]

just before you splattered into a stain

[fresh laurel]

you mean ptera?

[fresh laurel]

pounce overhaul update one day....

they cant keep the same pounce system forever!!!!!

[fresh laurel]

back to my point here

[rancid bluff]

surely not... r-right..?

[fresh laurel]

would really help the whole camp water to stop ootahs

this is assuming deinos arent aware of the fight

[rancid bluff]

actually I have an idea to prevent water camping

[fresh laurel]

?

[rancid bluff]

what happens when you go in dirty muddy water with an open wound?

it gets infected

[dusky surge]

yes

[fresh laurel]

how do wallow

[rancid bluff]

hush

[fresh laurel]

unless you mean it infects after a period of time?

[rancid bluff]

yeah like if you stand in water while bleeding/swim in it for like 10? minutes you get an infection

[dusky surge]

im already hearing the sound of "infection to stop camping" and no lmao

[rancid bluff]

which can be cured by uh doing... something?

[fresh laurel]

ptere rn is a bad prey item ngl at this point

[dusky surge]

god damn imagine being a deino and just getting fucking infected

imagine being literally any semi-aquatic

[fresh laurel]

or remove mud removing abilities and restricting running

i want that

[dusky surge]

its still literally one of the best animals in the game imho

[rancid bluff]

simple, make semi aquatics immune to the infections

[dusky surge]

because it can fucking FLY

[fresh laurel]

i mean people will choose quetz over ptera cus big

[dusky surge]

and?..

like what does that prove

[rancid bluff]

what's the fun of flying when you can't rain on peoples parade... rain in this context can have 2 different meanings

[fresh laurel]

flying doesnt make something the best playable

its the dinosaur itself tbh

[fresh laurel]

anyone?

[dusky surge]

ptera is still like, the best animal tho simply because it can outright avoid danger

[dusky surge]

good utah nerf idea but i think people want it buffed

[fresh laurel]

how does that nerf it

if its the same as fighting on land doe...

im just asking make it same as if you were fighting on grass

[rancid bluff]

I think that mud should still slow you down, but not restrict pouncing and other abilities, same for shallow water

[fresh laurel]

i mean some abilites would be pretty op for mud against others

[dusky surge]

pachy can now headswing, headbutt and sprint in mud
teno can now tailslam, claw swipe, kick and sprint in mud
stego can now tail-swing in mud

utah can... pounce and alt-bite lmaoooo. Imagine being not only able to sit in a mud pool forever for that sweet wallow buff when needed, but also keep all your defensive options to prevent any utah from stopping you from doing this shit

that is a direct buff to everything BUT utah

[fresh laurel]

but you can keep pouncing said target...

[dusky surge]

awesome epic but they can keep wallowing

[fresh laurel]

because guess what? you can run

[rancid bluff]

ok, then pounce again

[fresh laurel]

takes one bite to get them bleeding again

[dusky surge]

its the same as if you were fighting on land except now the target can wallow lmao

[rancid bluff]

or bite

[fresh laurel]

just bite

you can run in and bite or pounce

[dusky surge]

basically any herbivore immediately gains an advantage in mud

[fresh laurel]

you have pack mates still helping

[dusky surge]

regardless of engagement

[fresh laurel]

yea carno ramming in mud against teno...

not sure about that chief

[dusky surge]

can use the ability, you said so

so why not?

[fresh laurel]

i ask to make mud work more like walking on grass

so fights dont really change

[dusky surge]

i ask to not make utah's best location for fucking up pachys way worse

[fresh laurel]

utah if it can take advantage of pachy endlag or bad ram turn could win....

[dusky surge]

pachys can't use ANY of their ez win abilities against utah in mud

[fresh laurel]

takes one pounce to bleed em...

[dusky surge]

you know you can pounce from outside the mud pool onto a stego, right?

[fresh laurel]

what im asking for is like update 3 mud wallowing except its not near a river....

utah was pretty dang fine at stopping you from wallow spam then

[dusky surge]

mud pools are designed in a way that prevents many herbivores from using any attack but bite, which is often their weakest move

it's great as a utah

[fresh laurel]

but now as i said mud would become like a fight on grass....

[dusky surge]

i have 2v1ed pachys using only the mighty power of mud

[rancid bluff]

imagine being that one herbivore whose strongest attack is a bi- oh right proto

[dusky surge]

and now pachys have a vast advantage

[fresh laurel]

and now utah can still pounce and run to get away from a dismount hit

[dusky surge]

"haha imagine pouncing, get fucking alt-bite knockdown scrub"

[fresh laurel]

(if its not stego)

[dusky surge]

"get fucking ram-cancelled, dipshit"

[fresh laurel]

sounds more like a problem for how utah vs pachy normally goes

[dusky surge]

and i think its cool that the one place where utah's strongest tool is weakened is also where your tools are weakened further

it's great when a pachy runs to mud for safety and you get to go "you fool" and bite them to death as they panic lmao

[fresh laurel]

yea still dont see how this is stopping a good utah from killing pachy...

also kinda doesnt make sense to have mud stop so many things

[dusky surge]

its mud

try walking in mud, especially mud of that liquidity

[fresh laurel]

not even sure how isle mud works

[dusky surge]

try fucking JUMPING out of mud

[fresh laurel]

you sink verrrrrry slow

[fresh laurel]

been there did that wasnt hard

think we thinking about different muds

[rancid bluff]

quick sand

[dusky surge]

if its like "light rain" mud then yes lmao

[fresh laurel]

i mean if you want to have funni mud that limits abilities just bring quick sand or tar

[rancid bluff]

tar is a bit over kill

[fresh laurel]

tar is funny tho

imagine yeeting a utah into a tar pit

[dusky surge]

a tar pit is in the game technically

[fresh laurel]

you mean the one you can see with admin camera?

[dusky surge]

yea

[fresh laurel]

yea wish it worked though

i really wanna sike some ramming carno into their doom

[rancid bluff]

imagine if all mud pits were super deep and deinos lurked in them almost constantly

[fresh laurel]

that would stop mud camping

ima make pounce revamp idea now

[rancid bluff]

I was really excited when the devs showed this in phase two

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/664914260648001555/885198055681458206/mud_deino.png

[dusky surge]

deino dehydrates like crazy tho lmao

[rancid bluff]

also does being a deino slathered in mud clog bleed?

[rancid bluff]

"Just drink the mud."
moments before choking

I feel like deino's dehydration should be slower in mud pools, like half the speed maybe

[eager ledge]

I agree that would be a interesting concept

[dusky surge]

i mean, it already dehydrates 2x faster than base speed

and some animals recently got thirst buffs lmao

so poor deino is really left in the dust

[rancid bluff]

I get that they want deinos to really rely on water but they made the thirst drain way too fast

[alpine plover]

@eager ledge do you think utah stam drain while running is too much? Lol, I guess then for you carno feels like it doesn't have any stam

[alpine plover]

Deinos have it easy enough, no need to give them the ability to camp mud pits

[hasty coyote]

Yeah, but mud deinos are funny

[inner lynx]

That's fine, deino needs longer growth times regardless. It is a fun animal at every stage of life arguably, and viable too. Adult deinos need to be less frequent and there needs to be higher counts of juveniles in the water ways in comparison to adults.

[sinful cove]

Lmaooo another cannibal croc complaint post

Good thing to wake up to

[eager ledge]

The difference is the carno is a speed demon you can compare it to a modern day cheetah it runs at extreme speeds and can only sustain that for a very limited time Utah on the other hand is much slower and is built more like a wolf and can sustain chases longer Utah is more of a pursuit predator carno is a ambush predator they are 2 different creatures

[alpine plover]

The only thing ia carno is nothing like a cheetah, if you compare it to ostrich which is much more alike, ostrichs can run at nice speed for long periods of time

[eager ledge]

Ostrich is slower than carno though I’m comparing it to a creature of similar speed

[alpine plover]

But you have to compare it to an animal with the nost similar skeleton, not the one with similar speed

[eager ledge]

If you’re comparing skeletons structures Utah would be the ostrich not the carno

[fresh laurel]

Carno is a bull

[alpine plover]

I said the most similar

[hasty coyote]

Carno is not exactly a cheetah, it goes slower proportionally to its size, but can run for longer

[alpine plover]

@eager ledge

[alpine plover]

Is nothing like a cheetah

[hasty coyote]

They are both built to go very fast, but that’s about it

[alpine plover]

Yeah, but the skeleton is nothing alike

[hasty coyote]

I’m not talking about skeleton, I’m talking about behavior and design in game

[eager ledge]

No it is not in fact If it were to do a charge like it does in isle it will snap it’s own neck it’s discs aren’t dense enough and not enough muscle

[alpine plover]

Doest mind, you cant compare carno to a cheetah just because is the same niche

Not to talk about how much stam carno should have at least

You can compare the behaviour with cheetah, not the abilitt to run

[winter iris]

to everyone, is it normal that a pachy headbut overcomes carno's ram? I mean not only it did in my case but i also got head fracture

[slim dragon]

I think it is. Pachy's only way of surviving an encounter a carno is to break its bones, so it makes sense balance-wise.

[spare badger]

Suchomimus should be as fast as Carnotaurus
Source? Dinosaur King

[fresh laurel]

Yea... im saying how carno should act ingame

[winter iris]

well, yes and no. I think if you face tank a carno as pachy you deserved to be killed, or injured simply because you didn't get how a survival game works, it's not a deathmatch and not all fights start as a 50-50 (or at least, not all fights should be supposed to). Same thing would apply for a carno face tanking a stego I think. And what happened to me was a pachy that instead of trying to avoid it or escape in some way, literally face tanked me when it realised i was charging. I noticed this behaviour being very common in people that mainly play pachy rather than other dinosaurs, probably due to how strong it was before the update

[wise sparrow]

Pachy gets screwed by

1. Its turning while ramming
2. Tracking system
3. Inconsistency of fractures
4. The absurd durability of carno

Even if you play right against 1 carno your chances are slim
Against 2? Just roll over and accept it

Carno can literally ass ride pachy

[slim dragon]

Yeah but Pachy can't outrun carno
It can't really kill it anymore
It can't juke it either
So it HAS to be able to fracture it in order to have any chance at survival

[bold frost]

Bro i main carno and the pachy nerf aint right, update before this was great people malding are bad were carno mains who dont know how to play their dino lol

[wise sparrow]

Benrico is typing a whole ass essay holy fuck

[winter iris]

I mean, your chances against a carno are 100% supposed to be extremely slim if you play 1v1. Again, if you insist fighting 1v1 instead of running away against a carno you're just playing the game the wrong way. Turning while ramming it's a complain mainly due to how it compares to pre-update, but honestly it doesn't make pachy defenceless as many people keep saying (but I played pachy very little time since the update), of course something needs to be adjusted anyway. Fractures are a bit inconsistent for an only one reason: if every headbutt was a fracture other than body fracture (which happens almost 100% of the times) then no playable would be able to fight a pachy basically. The absurd durability of carno, honestly, is simply false. I played many dinosaurs and carno has got by far the worst stamina of all.
I agree that carno can destroy a pachy, particularly in a 1v1 and that's why if when playing pachy having a group is key.
Anyway, I wasn't saying that fractures shouldn't happen, of course they should, I was surprised that headbutt could override a carno ram and cause fracture at the same time. Utah's pounce can't do that for example

[slim dragon]

Are you saying pachy should run away from carno ?
Well actually it should, but only AFTER breaking its bones
That's pachy's whole gimmick. To face predators head-on and make them regret ever thinking of attacking it. It shouldn't be able to facetank a carno for sure, but if a carno attacks a pachy without ambushing it and the pachy can get a ram on its head, it should definitely be screwed.

[spare badger]

1 full ram should always break bones to compensate for the turning nerf
Therefore, 1 good hit from a pachy is all you need to escape
Right now you need 2 or 3 and by then you don't have enough stam or health to escape

[eager ledge]

Carno should not be able to do that there hip and tail bones don’t allow it to turn will running in real life

[winter iris]

well, these "real life" comparisons are always so funny....all the game should then be changed if it was supposed to be like "real life"

[winter iris]

hahaha true

essay plus watching football, which didn't help writing

[eager ledge]

I’m not going continue this conversation with you further because you are ignorant to the scientific fact I just pointed out and you are not smart enough to know what I’m talking about so it is pointless for me to talk to you.

[winter iris]

lol. I see you started insulting quite soon without a reason really. Up to you. Just remember, you don't even know me so I doubt you can have an idea of what I know and what I don't. I am not a palaeontologist, if that's what you meant, but I know a few things on dinosaurs and that's why I told you your observation was a bit funny. Simply because there are many things about many dinosaurs that aren't particularly accurate, but The Isle is a game and it's supposed to be fun hence why devs decided to introduce some things not 100% in line with the famous "real life". If you're a palaeontologist, fair enough, but I'd like to see the list of your scientific papers published then...otherwise simply saying something like "sorry I was rude" could be enough. And relax mate

[fresh laurel]

Wth...

Did i just read

[gloomy ravine]

fix pounce, its sickening, to ambush a carno looking the other way, and i jump through him and pounce air in front of his mouth and he just kills me ... for real?

[spare badger]

Skill issue

Seriously though they always manage to break pounce every update

[ripe furnace]

Pachy nerf was good when oasis was gone but now it should be reinstated because it is needed

[fresh laurel]

everyone when pounce gets fixed again...

"NERF UTAH SAIGSASAUIHA IT KILL MAH STEGO THEN MAH TENO Q0OSAAGAOHOIGSIA"

i legit saw people want utah nerfs during update 4...

[ripe furnace]

Because there was like 70 of them per server

[fresh laurel]

and that doesnt mean nerf the animal....

[ripe furnace]

I know

[fresh laurel]

also i dont think people said cus too many utahs

think they just hated the idea of losing a 2 or 5 hour animal to a 1 hour one

[bold frost]

Pachy nerf really just shows what being a herbivore is about, you arent suppose to go after dinos and you can very easily fend off a raptor still and escape from a carno

Tested it in a ps and i kinda realised what the devs were going for

[wise sparrow]

I've tested as well. Against a horrible carno player (no offense) 2 pachys had to straight up wail on the carno to get away. Not only do you need a leg break, you need to get a leg break and THEN get a head fracture or else the carno will just track you down in a forest.

And what you said about teno, no. Brawler herbivores like teno aren't supposed to be just bonking the carnivore then letting it run. Teno should have full capability to kill a carno, but unless the carno plays like an idiot, you cant. And god forbid there are 2 carnos.

[hasty coyote]

That’s the issue with pachy atm, you can’t escape easily. You are supposed to break and run, and pachy’s stam reflects it. However, the tracking system is too good. So you have to either run into a dense forest or to a bigger herbivore.

[random prairie]

no turn radius

[wise sparrow]

Imagine needing a teammate to get the "unagile" carno off your ass

[random prairie]

Legacy moment, just use your alt swing to stop an adult Carno from Tail riding you

[wise sparrow]

Right, I forgot. I guess I just have to facetank the carno because it got behind me after I phased through its hitbox

The amount of troll faces in this exchange is disturbing

You didn't do one there

I win

[eager ledge]

I miss legacy carno that thing I actually enjoyed playing as because it was balanced but the one now way too op that’s why I never play carno anymore

[wise sparrow]

@vale harness if herbivores were easy to grow but weak, no one would play them.

Imo herbivores should be slightly harder to grow but overall stronger

While carnivores are slightly easier and have the advantage of choosing when an engagement starts.

Thinking about herbivores as easy to grow meat sacks is an unhealthy stereotype that depicts these powerful animals as chew toys that act like chickens.

[vague eagle]

I personally agree with GamingAnky on this. Herbivores should be slightly stronger than the carnivores. Not a great deal but enough that they aren't just there to be killed. One thing that I find frustrating about the pachy is the inconstancy of what the devs want with it. To me, the guy should be a little brawler who is dangerous to even carno if it doesn't ambush properly. I know there will be lots of people that disagree with me on that, that's fine. Everyone deserves to have their opinion, which this is just my own. But back to the topic I mentioned above. When introduced it was said to be a fracture and run playstyle. However when people complained about pachy bonking carnos to death, Punch, IIRC said that maybe you shouldn't have tried fighting it. Which implies they want it to be dangerous if you don't catch it off guard.

Something people seem to agree with (that actually care about balance) is that either you need to be strong enough to defend yourself or fast enough to get away. Pachy can do neither right now. Teno really can't either for the most part. But that's an entirely different beast to tackle.

[hollow canyon]

@vague eagleit can though

Pachy definitely needs a buff

Tenonto needs some QoL adjustments

but it is capable of taking down a Carno

I've won most my fights against Carnos

[vague eagle]

I honestly will have to take your word for it. I haven't played Teno in ages.

[hollow canyon]

it's the animal I play the most on this patch

most people just kind of... play it wrong?

like there's that video by Kav where they have a 2v2 between Carnos and Tenontos

[vague eagle]

Frankly that is more of a trusted opinion I'd go with. Just like I trust my personal bias with gator since I've got 200+ hours on gator lol.

[hollow canyon]

and Tenontos just play the animal wrong there and they rightly so get decimated for that

the kick is currently Tenonto's main damage dealing tool

if you waste all your stamina on tailslamming left and right you will die

tailslam is for setting up the kick

you want to tailslam the Carno and then follow up with kicks

[wise sparrow]

Teno: misses 1 slam

The carno that has been spam biting and changing the entire fight:

[vague eagle]

I'm fine with the kick being big damage. Haven't tried the new teno honestly. All I know is in previous patch I loved the balance. There were things that needed tweak like chain stunning and what not. But not hardcore nerfs.

[hollow canyon]

it doesn't matter if you miss 1 tailslam

if you miss 5-6 it starts to matter

if Carno goes for a bite, you then want to generally kick it, if it lands you just keep on kicking

I've turned the second Carno into minced meat in no time when I landed a kick

[vague eagle]

Now the new pachy I have tried and it's just...awful lol

[hollow canyon]

Pachy definitely needs a buff though

idk why they nerfed the turn rate of it

[vague eagle]

I thought he was supposed to be a little bruiser from the broncs type of guy

[hollow canyon]

it butchered the animal completely

[vague eagle]

Frankly how a utah could bleed them out with a couple bites and a pounce was great. A bite or two from carno could literally seal their fate. But at least they had a chance.

[hollow canyon]

I'll be perfectly honest, I've only logged in picked Pachy and checked its turn rate while ramming as a juvie and I just quit the animal

the devs have to stay away from nerfing turn rates in general, that's one of the last things they should be touching

[vague eagle]

Have you fought many utahs with the new teno? How does it fair.

[hollow canyon]

I've fought 10 and survived while killing 2, admittedly I think they were more interesting in fighting a Stego

I also fought a pack of 3 adults and some 3-4 subs/juvies

I was relatively low on both hp and blood in that second fight

I've killed the adults and the rest just ran away

note that I was fighting in the swamps

Utahs fare really badly there

in general fighting in that environment helps Tenonto a lot

when other animals are forced to wade it helps Tenonto because you don't want to stay close to it

if you do you risk getting CCed which in a situation like that allows Tenonto to dish out a tonne of damage

overall both fights took place close to water

if I was fighting them out in the open I would've likely died in both cases

but water is Tenonto's best friend as long as there's no Deinos in it

[vague eagle]

Doesn't sound like it's too bad. I'll trust your take on it and have to experiment on it later. Though if I'm being honest, the current diet system for herbis is a little too tedious for my taste. Not really difficult in the slightest, just time consuming and requiring great deals of luck to avoid people.

[hollow canyon]

it is way too tedious for my taste

I despise walking back and forth

I was outright told that herbivores aren't for me if I don't like this playstyle but idk

I don't think it's quite right to force half of the playables into this kind of gameplay loop where you just walk back and forth between two spots on the map

damn it is boring

also quite abusable when you're smart about it

[vague eagle]

Frankly I just think about it in terms of balance. If you want to have equal representation, the difficulty and time needs to be the same. If it's objectively more fun and easier to just do carnivore. Why would anyone do herb?

[hollow canyon]

I'll dm you for a moment if that's ok, alright?

[vague eagle]

Go for it.

[vale harness]

i agree, but i cant go through another fucking update with all the carnivore mains victim complexes raging everywhere. the second carnis get made weaker than herbivores you'll have to listen to carno mains crying about how they're so mistreated, and i just cant handle that shit anymore.

[wise sparrow]

Caveing into them isn't the right option. If the devs and community keep proveing their complaining works, we would end up with a community like BoB. And that's saying something when you look at that hell hole's history

[vale harness]

yeah it's a shithole over there. but, i feel like the QA team doesn't have that much of a say in the balance, i hear them talking about it, and what they say sounds balanced, but what is released is completely different. the balance right now feels like a shining example of the balance-feedback channel. which would be great in most ways, but even if carno and teno were perfectly balanced, one of the sides would see the other side not complaining, and then they would start to complain. it feels like an endless back and forth where the devs take 1 sides words and amplify it.

[hollow canyon]

Tbh they were perfectly balanced... (kind of)

up to update... 3.75 was it?

I think everyone was happy with them at the time

it was the best match up in the game

but unfortunately their damage output had to be lowered - both of these animals just dished out too much damage(cause the health pools and damage outputs of the smaller animals were too high)

we had a 350N Carno and a 360N tailslam Tenonto

1khp Utah

trash 4k hp Stego

[vale harness]

im not really sure how people felt. i thought it was pretty good in 3.75 but the last update teno did damage really similar to 3.75 and people thought it was op so it's changed.

[hollow canyon]

I can't speak about the balance in 3.75 due to the fact that this was the patch where dinos were getting deleted so I didn't play it much

[vale harness]

tenos 3.75 damage was 300 tail, 250 kick, 200 claw. and 4 was the same with the tail.

[hollow canyon]

however - Carno had lost ~40% of its biteforce while Tenonto was largely unchanged

so I'd expect Tenonto to outperform Carno on 3.75

I don't have any actual experience to back it up with since I didn't play the game because of the save-bug

but yea 3.5 Teno and Carno were in the right spot

so was Utah for that matter

the only animal that had issues was Stegosaurus

and it was just hot garbage at the time

[wise sparrow]

3.5 carno would shred even pachy before the nerfs

[vale harness]

my take is that teno wasn't op, utah and pachy just weigh too little. teno got nerfed because utahs complained about getting 1 shot, so the devs balanced it to fit utah, and made it bad against carno

[wise sparrow]

It absolutely shat on anything smaller

[hollow canyon]

Idk about that I had no issues escaping Carnos as a Utah on 3.5

idk about Pachy since it wasn't in the game I have no idea what its stats would've been

[vale harness]

yea carno in update 3 -3.5 was ridiculous. it was the point that people started despising carnos because they were treated like gods by the devs

[hollow canyon]

3-3.5 Carno was nerfed hard compared to update 2 Carno though

[vale harness]

actually update 2, they could spam bite while stunned so it was even worse

[hollow canyon]

update 2 Carno was... something else

[wise sparrow]

Like if the carno we have now is too nimble, remember early qa carno

[hollow canyon]

It ran for like 4-5 minutes and could charge basically forever

[vale harness]

i dont understand why people demand it to be so nimble. you're already so powerful, like god damn

[hollow canyon]

it's not so much that Carno should be nimble, it should turn badly while running, but no animal should turn like a bus when it's standing

I think the current Carno is fine, Tenonto and Pachy need some help

mainly Pachy, Tenonto just needs QoL adjustments

like a lower cost on the tailslam

[wise sparrow]

Remember when pachy could be tail rode by carno no matter what?

[hollow canyon]

I'd also appreciate a larger kick attack socket

but that's optional

[wise sparrow]

I still dont get why pachy had such bad turning when it was released

[hollow canyon]

It probably just wasn't ready

[vale harness]

and the juvi speed, i remember when a deino could catch it on land

[hollow canyon]

What I don't understand is why they nerfed turn rate out of all things

Yea well the speed was definitely because it wasn't ready

[wise sparrow]

Now pachy is just screwed if a carno gets behind it

You literally need a friend to get a carno off you

[vale harness]

pachy can leg fracture a carno, and still get chased down

[wise sparrow]

The fact that carno's leg fractured trot is faster than pachy's trot is absurd

[hollow canyon]

That's cause of the very sensible and balanced tracking system

[vale harness]

i feel bad for kav, my guys dino got mutilated

[hollow canyon]

idk that thing either needs a nerf or some more countermeasures

I haven't wallowed a single time since it was limited to mud-pits

[vale harness]

imagine if allo were released instead of carno, we could've avoided so many shity balance patches

[hollow canyon]

this mechanic has basically become useless

I mean I'm not going to disagree with that

[vale harness]

releasing a dino that will be the fastest in the game, and making it one of the strongest mid tiers just destroyed the balance

[hollow canyon]

Allo>>>>>>Carno if you ask me

[vale harness]

all day

[hollow canyon]

oh it's definitely not going to be one of the strongest mid tiers

[vale harness]

as of right now it is

[hollow canyon]

cause it's like the only mid tier in the game

it has 175 biteforce, Allo has 2800hp presumably, Alberto potentially 3.2k

[vale harness]

that's the problem, it'd be great if carno would get some damn competition, but that's not an excuse for why carno should stay op

[hollow canyon]

gl having a go at these guys

[spare badger]

Carno should have been the last one to come out

[hollow canyon]

^

[spare badger]

Cerato should have come first

[hollow canyon]

it's a very specialised animal that's supposed to just hunt small stuff, releasing it when you have only the small stuff in the game is just...

[vale harness]

yep, carno is a late roster addition, it can't be balanced when you have 5 herbis and 3 other carnis

[hollow canyon]

yea

[spare badger]

Especially when none of that small stuff will actually run from you

[hollow canyon]

This animal has to be good at hunting smalls because it will be getting butchered by any larger animals

[spare badger]

Like we should've gotten Galli first at least

[hollow canyon]

just think about how many attacks you'd need to kill some actual mid tier with it

175N vs the hp pools of some of the larger animals that go into 2k+ and likely have much higher attack values

[spare badger]

Like allo? 2800/175 = 16 + healing

So 17 non headshots

Alberto? 3200/175 = ~19 bites

[wise sparrow]

That's why we should buff carno in preparation for allo

[spare badger]

Carno has no business fighting mid tiers

[vale harness]

i'd laugh but that's basically what some people are saying

[wise sparrow]

B- but, muh carno!!!

[spare badger]

Teno should be the maximum sized animal carno should hunt

23 bites for plateo

[vale harness]

member when pesky said a teno should run from a carno, and barely be able to fight 1

[hollow canyon]

I honestly haven't seen anyone asking for Carno to be able to take on animals larger than itself aside from the people who believe that any animal should be able to have a go at every animal

[wise sparrow]

And it should only do so via ambush or pairs

[hollow canyon]

^ disagree

[wise sparrow]

[spare badger]

Dunno what he was thinking there

[vale harness]

it hurts

[hollow canyon]

1v1 Carno vs Tenonto should be more or less equal

both should have a decent chance of dying

[spare badger]

I would say slight teno favour
But because this is a survival game you want to play it safe so not ambushing should be considered a shit idea

[wise sparrow]

Ah yes. The far slower animal should have the same chance of the animal that chooses when the engagement starts. Perfect balance

So vs 2 carnos teno would just evaporate

[hollow canyon]

that's not how it works at all, with Tenonto staying in its habitat it can avoid the fight as well

[spare badger]

Teno can escape in forests and swamps but tracking is too OP for that to work rn

[vale harness]

it should be like 65-70% teno in plains. and 100% teno in jungle

its scary how good carno is in the place it's supposed to be bad in

jungle doesnt stop shit rn

[spare badger]

I would say lower tbh
60/40 teno

[vale harness]

fair enough, just not at best 50/50

[spare badger]

Maybe less but any lower is a bit too low imo

Since teno is a brawler it should have the combat advantage against animals its size

Definitely should be possible prey for carno tho, it shouldn't be untouchable solo

[vale harness]

carno should only win if it gets charges on the teno, if it wins any other way ima call bull shit

[wise sparrow]

People tend to think carno dwarfs teno but it's like a what? 200kg difference?

[vale harness]

unless the teno is that bad

[spare badger]

200 iirc

[wise sparrow]

Fat fingered 3 on accident

[spare badger]

Rip

[vale harness]

[spare badger]

That 200kg difference for some reason makes people think Carno should win the MU

[vale harness]

carno mains mp4

seeing someone post a video of a carno standing a teno face tanking it, then saying carnos isnt that op is funny

[spare badger]

I didn't even watch it but I knew what happened lol

Comments are turned off

[fresh laurel]

If only...

[spare badger]

I watched it and damn dude just facetanked it repeatedly and lost

[fresh laurel]

damn...

[spare badger]

Definition of a skill issue

[fresh laurel]

indeed

why would you try to face tank something with a tail bigger than your torso

[spare badger]

Bigger than its own body

Just poor play really, teno is still kinda bad

[fresh laurel]

and big brain carno says hmmm maybe i can do more dps with my bite

[spare badger]

175dmg vs 260 or 300 DMG ah yes

[fresh laurel]

waiting for the day utah can dismount stego without getting hit mid air....

[spare badger]

Tenos attacks use too much stam and kick barely functions half the time
If that's fixed teno will probably be balanced

[fresh laurel]

and making herbis easier to grow....

just want the first and second nutrient to be the easiest ones to get but the 3rd needs migration

pretty sure thats what was intended anyways

[spare badger]

Which is fine (except for the fact they are essentially required to grow in a feesible time)

And juvies have to make that trek

[fresh laurel]

thats why they should just make the 3rd one require the giant travel tbh

[spare badger]

If they gave juvie herbis no preferred food I would be fine (be a bad system but fine)

[fresh laurel]

remove diets ayo?

but ngl diets just feel like they werent 100% thought through

[spare badger]

Yea
They feel... Half done
They had the right idea but faltered somewhere

[fresh laurel]

faltered by not including gore with it....

you know the one thing they said would make diets work for the other half of the game

[spare badger]

True

Remember salt licks?

[wise sparrow]

Holy hell I just watched the video.

And I thought I was bad at carno

[spare badger]

Or those 'special' foods that would give you buffs and make you sick?

[fresh laurel]

remind again?

ohoooh

yea i remember

[spare badger]

Lick it to cure vomiting

[fresh laurel]

or you know...

remove vomit on eating since its kinda useless

add vomiting to venom mechanic or something

[wise sparrow]

Carno isn't op guys! You can die if you try to tank all its kicks!

[fresh laurel]

lmao

legacy giga logic ayo?

giga aint op cus die to rex but can walk down almost anything ingame

[wise sparrow]

Literally everything died to rex

[spare badger]

Reminds me of that one 'inside the minds of carnivore players' video pesky made

[wise sparrow]

I'm sad he didn't do one for herbivores but I can already guess how he'd do them

[spare badger]

How?

Teno players: I should be able to win the 1v1 with carno, maybe even a 2v1

Stego players: buff stego 5 deinos can do 50% of its health

[wise sparrow]

Well actually idk. He seems ri very mostly biased towards carno but he always says whatever animal he is playing needs a buff. And then will ask for nerfs or call bullshit if it kills him.

[spare badger]

Sometimes it's a joke but sometimes i can't tell

[sinful cove]

I never see stegos asking for buffs like that though lol

[hollow canyon]

Stegos were asking for buffs before 3.75, past that point the animal's been really good quite consistently(if not too good)

[hollow canyon]

irl it does, in the game Tenonto is much larger than in reality

in real life Tenontosaurus was like half the size of Carno

[spare badger]

I've seen estimates of teno being 2 tons but those are like, max size estimations

Either way teno kinda bad rn

[hollow canyon]

Thos are... kind of wrong

the largest estimate of Tenonto is like ~1.2t realistically from what I recall

[spare badger]

I've seen like, 2
And there were no skeletals cited

[hollow canyon]

You might want to ask in paleotalk about it but from what I recall people there have stated that its size is around 1t and there's some specimen that might be reaching 1.2t

[spare badger]

I see

The roster rn is so scuffed

[fresh laurel]

lets add the fastest small game hunter midtier in a ecosystem full of smalls and apexes

big brain

[hollow canyon]

https://i.imgur.com/JO9V8bA.png

These are the sizes of Tenonto

the one in the background, the largest one is in game Tenonto

[fresh laurel]

goodbye cera you getting stunned by carno

[hollow canyon]

idk what the smallest one is, I will ask Nova about it

the reddish one - the second from the back - is Nova's preference and I think it's the hypothetical 1.2t specimen.

the dark one is the irl Tenonto

[spare badger]

I would have made the roster
U1: Teno, Utah
U2: Cerato, hypsi, dryo, either kentro or Dibble
U3: Bary, Ptera, Beipi
U4: Pachy
U5: Troodon

[sleek obsidian]

"pachy should've never have stood a chance" you gotta love carno mains

[spare badger]

Who said that?

[sleek obsidian]

the video

[spare badger]

Had volume off

[sleek obsidian]

I just watched it and I wish I haven't

[fresh laurel]

too much work for update 3 lets be real

and dryo was update 1.5 iirc

[sinful cove]

Imagine the rex mains if they cant facetank a trike like they could in legacy

[spare badger]

U2 had stego, hypsi, dryo and carno

[fresh laurel]

they gonna cry for buffs

[sinful cove]

Carni mains wanting to be both faster and stronger than their adversaries is just plain hilarious and disgusting

[spare badger]

Mah carnivore

[sinful cove]

They wanna be the main protagonist of the whole server

[spare badger]

Actually true

[spare badger]

U3 had ptera and deino
Swap deino for Bary and add beipi like originally planned

[hollow canyon]

Dryo was update 1

[spare badger]

1.5
Close enough

You know what I mean lol

[hollow canyon]

Yea, although in general I don't think there was update 1.5

update 1 came out on 28th of September 2020

then update 2 was the next one that came out on ~30th of November iirc

[fresh laurel]

you also said bary soo....

ngl rex mains be wanting rex to have the plot armor of an anime protag

[spare badger]

I just said what to swap what are you talking about?

Even sucho would be better than deino ngl

Honestly I would take spino over deino so at least something would fight stego

[fresh laurel]

i thought you said bary, beipi and ptera all at same time lmao

you worded it weirdly

[hollow canyon]

clarifying since I got the answer - the smallest Tenonto on that size-chart is the smallest Tenonto specimen we have, so they basically kind of vary in terms of sizes between that and the dark-burgundy one

[wintry mountain]

p much yeah

• given ti's teno has fairly different proportions, had to account for those too

[spare badger]

I did
Like old u3 was sucho, ptera, deino and Beipi
It should have been Bary, ptera and Beipi imo

[fresh laurel]

and im saying that would make update 3 waaay longer...

[hasty coyote]

I have a better plan: no dinos, only humans

Then we wouldn’t have to worry about the Dino balancing

[fresh laurel]

no game

that way we dont have to wait for long updates

[spare badger]

I mean they were planning to add more

[fresh laurel]

remember the whole temperature or winds that would help ptera fly...

[hasty coyote]

Remember the whole deinos vertical lunge…

[fresh laurel]

yea we dont talk about that...

[wise sparrow]

Remember the whole "after update 3, updates would be coming out left and right"?

[hollow canyon]

people said the same thing about update 4 too, that it will be the last one that takes long

[eager ledge]

I just got tail rides by a carno while was running that shouldn’t be a thing because of this https://youtube.com/watch?v=slcVvR7UMik&feature=share fast forward to around 5:23 minutes if you want to know we’re I got my information from

[spare badger]

@burnt pebble that's already in for non-cannibalistic animals. They get a miriad of debuffs for cannibalism.

The 2 non-cannibalistic animals are Utah and Ptera

Deino and Carno are cannibals and therefore get no debuffs (they are actually part of their diets)

[burnt pebble]

Idk I just feel like its not enough of a "penalty." You can live with a twitch and it doesn't last that long. I'd just like to see these dinosaurs working together rather than inner fighting all the time. But I guess that more comes down to the player.

Also props for all that effort on the reactions.

[spare badger]

It's customary to say 'already in' when someone says something like that

[hollow canyon]

dw, they'd just go on to kill the other animals of their kind and just leave them instead of eating the bodies

[spare badger]

I mean if Utah's are killing eachother they just are bad
Utah kinda needs a pack to kill things
Even a pack of 4 can't really touch a teno

They tried, 1 died, then we all got attacked by a pack of 3 carnos and I fell off a cliff

Utah is still kinda meh

[hollow canyon]

Not really, if they are a pack and on VC they might just kill every Utah they see to get rid off their competition

[fresh laurel]

what competition though

[hollow canyon]

you eat the AI they are after

[fresh laurel]

you can feed a lot of utahs by killing a carno or teno

[hollow canyon]

Ask ScopeOG

he kills every Utah that's not a member of his pack

[fresh laurel]

all cannibles i see say its for fun lol

[hollow canyon]

I've seen it quite regularly on his stream

well... more so on his videos

[alpine plover]

I like Scope and I enjoy his videos and I learn from them, but that's one of the reasons I pretty much do not want to play in officials.

People will just randomly kill others just because, they might not even need the food, but they will kill them anyway. "Population control", I mean, I get it. We don't want thousands of playables from the same species, like it happened with Carno back in the day, and I'm pretty certain it happens now too since the playable is once again too strong, or with Deino during Update 3..

But god damn, I already have to be wary of suddden overaggressive KOS's herbivores, I don't want to really be alert of my own species as well because randomly they just decide to kill you.

Same thing for herbivores that body guard, why do they do it? It makes absolutely no sense, since they can't eat it. Is it really that fun to be camping a dead body? Always instigating a potential fight just because you're hungry and you want to eat from that body but you can't because you have a full herd going after you.

There should be something that punishes those herbivore players or other players that will randomly kill you despite not needing the food. It's annoying and it completely ruins the experience

[spare badger]

There is no real way to avoid it ngl

Any stress system is too easily abused

And attacking a herd is just a bad idea entirely

[alpine plover]

I mean, yeah.. you don't go around attacking a herd, especially if it consists of literally 4 Stegos XD.

But god damn how I would love if karma struck those people 😛

[sinful cove]

Cringy behavioral punishment systems should stay in BoB and away from the isle

[dusky surge]

agreed

i only believe there should be systems to encourage good behaviour, not punish bad behaviour

playing like a dickweed doesn't weaken you, just doesn't give you the stuff other people get who play more to their animals

[spare badger]

Yea exactly

[alpine plover]

I mean, I don't play BoB so I don't know what kind of punishment it gives for things like that.

I don't expect some sort of punishment to be done for players like that, that's why I stay away from officials. Although I do agree on the encourage & reward good behaviour.

[sinful cove]

Personally i rarely have cannibal problems on officials and have only run in to like 1 herbi body camper in evrima maybe im just lucky there

[alpine plover]

You definitely are, I've run countless times into herbivores that are either body guarding kills that already happened or just quite literally come sprinting towards a body you just recently got. It's insane

NA servers are a little bit kinder on the: "Carnivores from your same species killing you for no reason" bit but it still happens

[fresh laurel]

wdym?

idk how bob does it since i dont play much so uh mind explaining more?

[sinful cove]

Referring to the stress system where you can easily abuse it to actually damage people

[fresh laurel]

why is stress even a thing really? like to stop body guarding or... cus it wouldnt really be helping pack hunters

[fresh laurel]

exactly what would be good behavior and bad behavior?

[sinful cove]

I think the system in BoB is to prevent mix packing or something because you can simply follow some carni player as a different carni and debuff them

[fresh laurel]

at least we can always look at bob to see what works and what doesnt

[sinful cove]

Yeah that’s the nice thing about having a few of these games

They can look at eachother for some things to see how it pans out

[fresh laurel]

like what happens if you make fliers more combat built...

[sinful cove]

Bird of prey pterosaurs picking up sauropods lmao

[fresh laurel]

just saying ptera soloing a rex is a huh moment

but enough about dissing bob way of play

[sinful cove]

The small dinos in general are busted OP

A velociraptor can fight a rex

[fresh laurel]

legacy utah momento

XD

[sinful cove]

Basically that toned up tenfold

[fresh laurel]

find it funny the one thing legacy utah couldnt fight was stego and anky

[sinful cove]

Utah could fight stego in legacy but it was hard af to pull off

[fresh laurel]

i mean when i search up utah vs stego legacy nothing shows...

keep in mind i did this before evrima

now if i do it, it will only show evrima fights

[sinful cove]

Ive seen it done successfully twice ever

[fresh laurel]

i mean i saw an acro kill a spino so ig its possible

though the acro took years to heal

[sinful cove]

Yeah ive seen acros take down apexes not too uncommon, then i see acros get soloed by a cera lol

Healing on acro just aint worth it

[fresh laurel]

as acro i rather die when i get 4th screen ngl

[sinful cove]

Galli also had a horrible heal time

[fresh laurel]

never touched galli tbh

[sinful cove]

I got hit once while fighting a utah, almost starved waiting for the bleed to end, then stayed 3rd screen for almost a whole grow time

[fresh laurel]

LMAO

[sinful cove]

I shoulda just let myself die lol

[fresh laurel]

i hope galli evrima wont be able to spam lmb to clap ootah

[sinful cove]

Im sure it wont tho it was hilarious while it lasted i killed a sub giga that way

[fresh laurel]

only way i could stop a galli from spam kicking me as utah was to zigzag and hope it bleeds out from a few bites i gave it

[sinful cove]

Brake checking them worked decently too unless it was a galli with fast reflexes

[fresh laurel]

so uh the utah pounce we need...

let utah pounce be more reliable at closer range

[sinful cove]

Would be nice to have a way to initiate the latch part of the pounce separately from the lunge easier too

The lunge conflicts too much with server lag

[fresh laurel]

could always just make it so you have to run up to something and just press rmb to start latching...

removing lunge all together?

[sinful cove]

That could possibly work yeah

[fresh laurel]

i got a pounce revamp idea

[sinful cove]

Maybe have some alt pounce that has the lunge

Either that or make the alt pounce the kickoff that would be nice to have

[fresh laurel]

Pounce Revamp
Pounce is a mechanic that is suppose to be utah's saving grace but currently in practice it can be a bit meh so I have some proposed ideas in a revamp

Make pounce more reliable at close range
Right now pouncing really up-close to something will most of the time make you just pounce onto the ground and get the end lag so I think fixing that could make pounce be used a lot more in combat since a good amount of people are scared of missing pounce due inconsistency at closer ranges.

Let you choose to attack or not during pounce latch/pin
I'm taking from legacy for this one and I think for the latch it could be used to make it so if you stop biting and clawing you can brace against a buck and for the taxi's...
For pinning this could just help with friendly fire a bit and adds a bit more realism (Not needed tbh)

To be more clear
Bracing against buck will not make you completely safe from bucking but only heavily decrease stamina damage.

[fresh laurel]

rate

[sinful cove]

Looks like a good start

Personally i want more variation on the pounce and more sockets as we get more large animals

[fresh laurel]

well we know trike will impale utah if utah pounces the face...

anyways on my idea itself...

anything that could use work?

[alpine plover]

will Utah even be able to reach big things like a Giga or a Rex or a Spino?

I feel like the pounce at the late stages of the game will almost be an useless ability unless it's a mid tier carnivore or smaller

[fresh laurel]

yea

most likely

dont see what will stop it from pouncing to a giga leg

[sinful cove]

I think i mentioned last time, the brace ability could kinda screw victims over especially against a pack so id wait for trample to be in and let large animals crush latched raptors against surfaces for trample damage to also add that big buff to pounce that counters bucking

[fresh laurel]

though if it becomes very easy to tell that utah cant pounce a trex sized animal...

[sinful cove]

But it could make it more interactive

[fresh laurel]

they might make the lunge higher

[fresh laurel]

ayo give utah a new move where it lunge backwards to bait moves....

[sinful cove]

Like a disengage?

[fresh laurel]

would be funny to do it to quickly avoid a near death moment

[fresh laurel]

yea mostly dryo dodge but backwards

[sinful cove]

A disengage would be nice to see on multiple small animals yeah

[fresh laurel]

could be a alt rmb

[sinful cove]

Or like alt spacebar

For multiple animals

[fresh laurel]

maybe but we never had moves work like that

iirc

when i say that i mean moves that use space bar and alt

[sinful cove]

Yeah tho it would probably work if the rmb can be comboed with keybinds

Other keys probably can as well

[alpine plover]

I meaaaaaaaan... if you pounce something, you're not supposed to pounce it on the legs?

Honestly, I don't exactly like that image.. seeing a Utah doing the pouncing and latching animation on a big dino's legs simply because it just can't reach the higher parts sounds and is ridiculous 😂

[sinful cove]

Let utahs climb big bois like dragon’s dogma

[fresh laurel]

make it so you spam O like a god of war game

[alpine plover]

forgot that Utah will have a sort of "climb" ability at some point.

It would make sense if a Utah could climb big dinos and then start doing the damage.. otherwise I feel like Utah would need ways in order for the pounce to be effective on big targets

[fresh laurel]

press O in order to climb up said giant and tear them apart

[fresh laurel]

depends on hard the game handles it

if you pounce onto the animal hitbox game might just tp you to the rib or somethin

[alpine plover]

I mean, that would be kind of funky.. and currently the game doesn't even do that, sometimes you somehow get a successful pounce in a place and it just doesn't look like you are on that place, or used to.

[fresh laurel]

game does do that...

lmao

if you pounce lets say a carno from behind you will teleport to the rib

[alpine plover]

ah, forgot.. been a while since I have used Utah

I'm also kind of curious about how they're going to do the actual accurate Utahraptor in the future

[fresh laurel]

lol thats what i meant by

if you pounce onto the animal hitbox game might just tp you to the rib or somethin

[alpine plover]

will it be a copy paste of current "Utah's" abilities into the accurate one, or will it just have new abilities and JP Utah (eventually renamed to something different) will keep the current ones

[fresh laurel]

i think it will go for more realism in its stats which means it will be slower yet heavier which prob means it might go for the brawler approach

[alpine plover]

yeah

I look forward to the accurate Utah myself, slightly more health than current Utah. (Real-life Utah weights 500 KG iirc), a stronger bite (most likely) as well as good resistances since real-life Utah was pretty stocky, and yeah.. slower

will be fun hehe, hopefully it has proto-feathers

[fresh laurel]

irl utah is a more jacked up grizzly ngl

[alpine plover]

yup hehe, and it's great.. can't wait to ambush people

[ripe furnace]

Hopefully not up trees

[ripe furnace]

I hope it’s super fluffy

[alpine plover]

same, accurate Utah with a nice skin and protofeathers will be so neat

[ripe furnace]

Think it could 1v1 carno?

[alpine plover]

@fresh laurel actually, now that I think about it.. Utah wouldn't really want to pounce a sauropod.. because, insta leg fracture and dead XD

[fresh laurel]

It could pounce the ankle soo...

But even then it would be a pure taxi ride

Utah aint killing a sauropod except legacy cama and magy

[alpine plover]

accurate Utah will be more powerful than JP Velo (I name it that way because it's easier to differentiate). Because in real life Utah was quite stocky, weighted like 500 KG if I remember correctly.. imagine a grizzly bear but it's Utah.

It might not be able to catch a Carno, but if one approaches it.. then it won't leave unscathed

[alpine plover]

isn't Magy super small?

Another issue is the combat is hectic asf

[fresh laurel]

Magy is mid tier sized