balance-feedback-discussion

[spare badger]

I must go to do a test now

I'll ttyl

Na3 I think?

[alpine plover]

Damn

[spare badger]

I won't be able to play for a good while

[alpine plover]

I have a full grown Teno on Na1

[glad ginkgo]

Im a full grown deino on NA1

[covert cave]

I’m like a <80 deino on NA1

[spare badger]

Na 1 has 101/100 players when I went to play yesterday

[alpine plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spare badger]

On the topic of pachy

How much worse is the turning?

[alpine plover]

Imo very much

[spare badger]

I understand that getting a body fracture had merit since the stamina drain is 2x now

[alpine plover]

It's bad enough to where a Carno can juke

Quite easily

[spare badger]

That does not sound right

[alpine plover]

My main issue is not being able to get a second hit in

[spare badger]

The endlag and the exception was all that needed to be removed

[spare badger]

Does full charge not always break?

[alpine plover]

Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't

[spare badger]

Weird since it's not rng

[alpine plover]

But like I said, unless you get a leg/head fracture on the first hit you are doomed

[spare badger]

Why not body?

Body allows you to escape quite easily no?

[alpine plover]

Because the Carno can still run decently long with body fracture, has the agility to actually turn with you now

[spare badger]

Wasn't running turn radius kept the same?

[alpine plover]

Nope, it def changed, same with drift

[wintry mountain]

Neither changed

[alpine plover]

Definitely feels like it did 100%

[wintry mountain]

The only turns touched were walk and charge

Drift was not touched

[spare badger]

Patch notes say only turn in place was changed

[spare badger]

Maybe what you are noticing is increased acceleration

So they can stop, turn and accelerate again quickly

[alpine plover]

I don't feel any of the acceleration changes honestly

[wintry mountain]

Unrelated but this change rather points out how inconsistent pachys ram and leg fractures are

An issue that will persist unless looked into and helped

[spare badger]

Imo full ram should always fracture

[wintry mountain]

It does, it's just a matter if you've it hit the leg or body

[alpine plover]

For me it's more like hardly being able to get a 2nd hit in after the stun

[wintry mountain]

As body takes two, leg takes one

[spare badger]

You should be able to hit one good ram and the carno can either not run, be blind or have no stam.

[spare badger]

Ok that has to be changed

That's kinda daft

Because pachy can't turn with ram very well anymore hitting one full charge should work

[wintry mountain]

The question there is if you make carno more susceptible to fracture in general or buff pachy entirely

As buffing pachy spirals and impacts everything

[alpine plover]

Leg fractures seem to be the most inconsistent in general

[wintry mountain]

Where as a carno targeted change only hits carno

[alpine plover]

Just make fractures more consistent

[wintry mountain]

This, truthfully

[alpine plover]

Only thing I'd change for pachy is the turn

[wintry mountain]

Pachys ram in general and the tied in fractures is really inconsistent

Phasing through animals with ram kekw

[spare badger]

So 2 options

Buff pachy's fracture damage
Nerf carno body fracture health

[wintry mountain]

Or, work on making the attack itself reliable and consistent

[alpine plover]

or make hitting the leg actually break it

[wintry mountain]

Then see how it does

[spare badger]

That too

[wintry mountain]

We did this with utah pounce where it was broken and it was over buffed in compensation

[spare badger]

I would like to play pachy but I don't want to touch it if it's either OP or not working

[alpine plover]

I feel like only the lower part on legs is the "Leg" fracture hitbox

[wintry mountain]

Better to just resolve and fix the reliability of mechanics

Then handing out buffs that may not be necessary

[spare badger]

The thigh should be too if it isnt

[alpine plover]

Like, hit the upper leg/thigh it just breaks the body

Like..bruh

[spare badger]

At least body fractures are good now

Carnos stam only lasts for how long?

[alpine plover]

No idea

[spare badger]

I feel like it's less than 1 minute

So whatever that is cut it in half and remove the stamina you used.during the fight and the pachy should have a good chance at escaping

In concept

Does that work in game?

[alpine plover]

Ngl I also feel like Carno with a leg fracture runs abit too fast

Like..30 km/h?

[spare badger]

Can't you not run at all with leg fracture, only trot?

[alpine plover]

A persistent carno will just run after the pachy and track it

[spare badger]

Why we need mud on Riversides again

[wintry mountain]

Personally I was against allowing things to sprint with fractured legs

Its, silly to me personally

[alpine plover]

Same

[spare badger]

They should at least take DOT or smth

[wintry mountain]

Makes sense for a tiered system, but a full break should just

Block sprint

[spare badger]

They changed that this patch?

[alpine plover]

I always thought it'd be like
Light: Can run
Medium: Trot
Severe: Walk only

[wintry mountain]

This has been in since the mechanic test, responding to above

[alpine plover]

I meant for levels

[spare badger]

I think that works

[wintry mountain]

The only bright side to sprint when fracture is it hinders death herds

Pachys breaking legs of carnivores

Letting their stego buddies run them down

Still a silly thing but

It's the one plus

[alpine plover]

@mighty haven I’ve heard it’s a pretty even fight for Teno and Carno. The main thing is you can’t just stand in one place and tail slam it now. You gotta use all your tools to your disposal depending on situations

Plus the changes just came so it might take a little bit for people to get used to the new fighting

[sinful cove]

Generally the slower animal should have the melee advantage, not a 50/50, because otherwise the other who has the engagement advantage has no reason to think twice before attacking

Troodon be like (not existing noises)

Small things like homalo, compy, velo, and hypsi that are slower are excusable because they also have a hella easy time hiding due to their size

Idk how troo is going to work because his skin looks pretty standoutish

Ehhh idk

Guess we'll see

Ive been hit by a utah as hypsi and survived quite often so i doubt troodon is a 100% death sentence upon being hit

[scarlet onyx]

Anyone know the dmg changes on teno tail slam?

[mighty haven]

I disagree it takes more or less 10 tail slams to kill a full grown carno and thats just if you dont miss which lets be honest is bound to happen.

Carno rigjt know holds all the cards, speed, strenght and health plus turns alot better now.

Twno got nerfed and has to depend on a shlrt range kick that will almost always end up with teno still taking damage.

[alpine plover]

They changed tail slam to more of a Utility. It’s not supposed to be this long range hammer anymore

Your not supposed to be hitting Carno multiple times

I recommend tail slamming then following up with kicks

[mighty haven]

I know i disagree with the change tho as it means that teno is a defensive animal that has to get in harms way to fight back which i simply dont agree with.

[sonic flame]

Teno works best when played offensively after this change

trotting after them to keep the pressure on and kicking them if they try to turn back and attack you

least that's how I've been playing it, since staying in one spot doesn't work too well anymore

[sinful cove]

so its basically in the legacy trike situation where its fodder if it plays defensively

[mighty haven]

If the carno is worth his salt he will overpower you blow for blow his bite will beat your kick over time and let's not forget that in the heat of battle every missed bite for the carno means nothing but for a teno missing multiple tails slams or kick even by a little bit will take a toll on your stam and ability to fight back.

So again for an animal that has less health, is slower, and does less damage it seems unfair for him to have basically trade with the carno to be effective

[fresh laurel]

to be fair teno can fight what is faster than it and run from anything stronger

[sinful cove]

not really now, if a carno has 2 brain cells to rub together then it can just harass teno at its leisure

the slower animal no longer has the melee advantage, so the opponent has both engagement control and no melee disadvantage

[mighty haven]

Thank you for seeing

[sinful cove]

also it seems that everybody's stam has been gutted

[mighty haven]

The obvious

[sinful cove]

idk why they decided to give all the dinos asthma unless it was some unintentional side change

but it sucks for herbivores in combat

[fresh laurel]

i hate that part

kinda ruins utah whole hunting tactic a good bit

not sure how it is for carno

[fresh laurel]

carno ram dmg was increased right?

[sinful cove]

it definitely feels like it, also carno is more agile now so its easier to aim and harrass people

[fresh laurel]

rn carno ram left my utah with like 5% of hp
and tbh if thats the case then i think ram increase dmg should be reverted

easier aim already makes it good

[sinful cove]

the nerfs to the herbis also make it wasier

the thing i hate that they do with these adjustment patches is they do things on both ends at the same time, probably because they dont do small patches for adjustments often

but it often ends up with things like this with teno/carno

[fresh laurel]

doesnt this mean carno could somewhat ram multiple times ina fight?

[sinful cove]

with the new stam changes idk, depends on how proactive its victim is i suppose

maybe ill test it out later

[dusky surge]

i had a large deino playsession earlier and lmao 10 minutes of oxygen?

i never needed that much oxygen for a "successful hunt"

[sinful cove]

Another thing along the lines of what i dislike in their occasional big patches, they add a bunch of changes to fix one problem and it is just too much. Like i guess it isnt that harmful for deino to gave 10min oxygen but it isn’t necessary either

[ocean wagon]

I just want update 3 frames back

My pc has been on life alert ever since update 4 dropped

[fresh laurel]

werent update 2 frames the best?

lol

[ocean wagon]

Maybe? I was getting perfect 50-60 fps on update 2 and 3 with high graphics

[fresh laurel]

i was able to play on epic back in update 2...

[ocean wagon]

Now? Now I play on everything low and pray to the isle devs that I can get atleast 30 fps

[fresh laurel]

now im stuck to medium or low

[fresh laurel]

bro i see 30 fps as 120 now

[ocean wagon]

No fr

[fresh laurel]

the isle really made me appreciate fps now

[fresh laurel]

imagine your fps after weather system and new nesting areas

[rotund basalt]

I got almost everything on Ultra and get over 60 FPS everywhere

[fresh laurel]

you're prob a very beefy pc

[ocean wagon]

You obviously work for nasa

[fresh laurel]

i am planning on upgrading this year ngl

to maybe an rtx 3050ti

[rotund basalt]

meh could be worse and better, 2070 Super with an AMD 3700X 8-Core, 32GB of RAM

[fresh laurel]

thats really high end bruv

like kinda flexing levels

[spare badger]

The hitbox on kick is weird
It never seems to work even when I'm right next to the carno

[ocean wagon]

I feel like kick has always had a non accurate hitbox tbh

[spare badger]

Did they not change the size of it?

A carno literally alt bit me and I kicked and somehow it hit and I missed despite it being right next to me

[carmine patrol]

teno is currently a carno punching bag

you have to get hit in order to land a kick

and your tail does as much damage as carno bite

[dusky surge]

It does more

[carmine patrol]

it takes 10 body hits to kill a carno with tail

[fresh laurel]

how many bites for carno?

[carmine patrol]

1v1 is currently possible but you have to be a pro with teno

[fresh laurel]

also why would you spam slam 10 times?

you would eventually do a couple of kicks

[carmine patrol]

wasn't on survival

[fresh laurel]

still means nothing

[carmine patrol]

I went on a private server to check the damage values

[fresh laurel]

how many kicks then

[carmine patrol]

6

[fresh laurel]

thats good

use tail slam when you dont think you got the range for a kick

kick when carno coming for a bite

[carmine patrol]

it is good but you are almost guaranteed to get bitten after or before landing a kick

[fresh laurel]

||now you know the pain of utah dismount||

[carmine patrol]

lol

[fresh laurel]

to be fair tho you are winning the trade

[carmine patrol]

ye but that's mostly a problem with stego

[fresh laurel]

you get a head shot in but take body or tail dmg

[fresh laurel]

happens with carno alooot

[carmine patrol]

ye that's true

[fresh laurel]

dismount adding slight stagger to victim

[carmine patrol]

but carnos charge is enough to get 2 bites in

and now charge got buffed

[fresh laurel]

charge dmg didnt even need buff ngl

i noticed charge dmg was heavily buffed

[carmine patrol]

so you stun teno 2 times and you win

[fresh laurel]

why buff ram dmg i wonder...

[carmine patrol]

ikr

[fresh laurel]

you made it easier to land

so why buff its dmg...

[carmine patrol]

that was enough

[fresh laurel]

its either dmg buff or easier to land

not both lmao

[dusky surge]

awesome because charge damage was never buffed lmao

[carmine patrol]

it wasn't?

[dusky surge]

nope

[fresh laurel]

then why do i feel like im taking waay more dmg...

[dusky surge]

because charges do locational damage now

[fresh laurel]

OH

[dusky surge]

you can be headshot and take the headshot multiplier

[carmine patrol]

maybe charged on the head

[carmine patrol]

that's good

[dusky surge]

thus taking far more damage

However, if they hit the tail, not only does it not knock you over, it does less damage

[fresh laurel]

makes ambushing more rewarding if you somehow get a face headshot

[carmine patrol]

getting hit on the tail and getting knocked over was terrible

[dusky surge]

i think tail stuns across the board have been removed

[carmine patrol]

phew

[fresh laurel]

thank my lord

no more funky tail slam causing my utah to fall on the tail

should make combat feel more fair

[carmine patrol]

I still think that teno needs a few buffs

[fresh laurel]

i dont think its that needed

as we know most of the time when it gets buffed its either too much or too little

[dusky surge]

eh

teno is interesting now imo

[fresh laurel]

teno has to be more offensive now

[dusky surge]

Tail is best for ranging out your opponent and stunning them, allowing for follow-ups. Kick is great for fast DPS and bleed if they're in range. Claws are consistent damage dealers and quite fast

[fresh laurel]

couldnt a teno use tailslam stun to land a kick?

cus i could see that being a great combo

[carmine patrol]

that's what I mean

[fresh laurel]

so whats the problem

use tail slam range and stun for kick as a followup

[carmine patrol]

teno needs to use way less stam for tail so that it's used to stun from a safe distance and then kick

[carmine patrol]

teno uses 10% of its stam for a single slam

which does as much dmg as carno bite

[fresh laurel]

to be fair if you play teno right you will not run into stam issue

try to time it just right

[carmine patrol]

if there's more than one carno you're dead

[fresh laurel]

teno 1v2ing carnos and still winning seems not right imo

[carmine patrol]

I do, I'm a teno main and I have no problem at all with 1v1s

unless the carno is good

[fresh laurel]

2 carnos shouldnt lose easily to one teno imo

plus you dont see teno solo that much....

keep in mind teno is still small boi

[carmine patrol]

because you can't do a thing to a good carno that knows what he's doing

[fresh laurel]

even before this adjustment to teno, tenos always rolled in herds

you could buff teno to one shot carno and it would still herd

[carmine patrol]

it doesn't matter any more

[fresh laurel]

i just think these changes to teno were to make it less braindead tbh

[carmine patrol]

there are way more carnos than tenos no matter the server

[fresh laurel]

plus keep in mind teno really only will worry about carno

and maybe utah packs

cera prob wont catch a teno

[carmine patrol]

I was able to kill a herd of 3 tenos without a problem as carno

[fresh laurel]

after all teno in a full isle ecosystem probably will be able to escape what can kill it and fight what can out speed it

[carmine patrol]

they weren't that good, probably average players but I'm not good with carno either so it's kinda unfair

[fresh laurel]

i mean i seen braindead tenos have very easy time surviving

but drawn out fights always killed said braindead tenos

since slam spam

[carmine patrol]

that was when teno had 360 dmag with tail

[fresh laurel]

yea and now teno requires more skill

[carmine patrol]

now it does 180

[carmine patrol]

Yea and I love it

[fresh laurel]

only buff i think current teno needs is a slight cost reduction to slam

[carmine patrol]

It's just the stam cost for tail

[fresh laurel]

then perfect

[carmine patrol]

exactly

[fresh laurel]

i love that most herbis rn need skill

cant say for stego now

still miss utahs hunting stego like a everyday thing

[carmine patrol]

carno doesn't need skill tho

[fresh laurel]

carno still gets folded by utah packs

just harder to engage one at a time

[carmine patrol]

true, but that's the only threat to it

[fresh laurel]

nah

[dusky surge]

Not at all accurate

[fresh laurel]

bary, cera, troondon pack, dilo pack

[dusky surge]

It does way more than that

[fresh laurel]

evrima is not even a finished rostor

[carmine patrol]

then how much does it do?

[dusky surge]

literally none of those are in the game

[dusky surge]

Somewhere around the 200-300 range

[fresh laurel]

im saying in a finished roster carno will worry way more

[carmine patrol]

then how the hell does it take 10 slams to kill a carno

[dusky surge]

Are you hitting the leg

[fresh laurel]

anyone know how to measure utah alt bite dmg btw?

[carmine patrol]

no the body

[fresh laurel]

like does it increase dmg by a certain percent...

[dusky surge]

Try hitting the head. 1.5x damage is consistent so you can calculate the value

[carmine patrol]

ok

[fresh laurel]

how do you calculate dmg!

if i cant tell exactly how much dmg said target took

[carmine patrol]

carnos health devided by the amount of hits it takes to kill it

[fresh laurel]

could you pls come back with how much dmg utah alt bite does

[carmine patrol]

sure

[fresh laurel]

gonna have to make your carno crouch

since hitbox

[carmine patrol]

I need someone to be my test subject tho

[fresh laurel]

ill be it

tell me server and ill join ig

[carmine patrol]

Taco island

[fresh laurel]

bet

[fresh laurel]

i also wanna see how much a full pounce does

[carmine patrol]

ok

[fresh laurel]

is server open?

cant exactly see it

[carmine patrol]

it seems that it isn't

[fresh laurel]

rip

[carmine patrol]

I can't find it

welp

[fresh laurel]

damn

[carmine patrol]

gonna have to wait for l8r to calculate all of the dmg values

[fresh laurel]

whats that

[carmine patrol]

what's what?

[fresh laurel]

i8r

[carmine patrol]

L8r=later

[cold sedge]

@versed rune I think they should keep the distance because it definitely promotes moving around the map as an adult. But maybe herbies should get the carni treatment until 50% and get all 3 from plants with maybe no preferred diet since it’s not nearly as easy to traverse the whole map as a juvie.

[keen plover]

^I believe something like this would be cool. However it should be per species imo. Stego shouldn’t be give a free pass till 50% as it can pretty much 1 v1 anything at that size

Or juvie herbi diets being in one area- however I do think that would be annoying if they had adults with them

[hollow canyon]

I've suggested the same thing and yea - juvies would have a tough time grouping with adults

an alternative solution: juvies get some bonus plants on top of the adult diet-plants

so you can stick to one area more or less as a juvie

but if you want to group with adults for protection you will have to move your butt

[dusky surge]

i feel that giving the same shit to HERBIS will just make them even more braindead than their carni counterparts

[hollow canyon]

What do you mean?

[dusky surge]

the diet thing

honestly, if you want my take, the best middle ground i can think of is having you still get all 3 nutrients from what you eat, but only things that were already on your diet to begin with.

for carnis and MAYBE herbis

no more carnis eating a sea-turtle in some far-off nowhere land

[hollow canyon]

Oh no, I'm not suggesting that herbivores get to eat EVERYTHING

not by any means

[dusky surge]

okay thank god

[hollow canyon]

so the map is old but

let's use it for the sake of an example

let's say the plants are still like this for the sake of the example

we have a Tenonto - an adult Tenonto would eat let's say mushrooms, mountain ash and coconuts

plants that are in different areas of the map

meanwhile a juvie could eat all these but aside from these it could also replace e.g. mushrooms with raddish and coconuts with let's say potatoes

since these two are plants that are close to where mountain ash spawns in

you basically have an option of staying in a relatively same-y area where you don't have to break your legs while travelling all the way across the map to get the other nutrients as a juvie Tenonto

but you can also travel with adults for protection and try to get the nutrients from the plants they are after

see what I mean?

[keen plover]

Imo they just shouldn’t be expected to travel what the adults are expected to

Especially having diets in the open

[hollow canyon]

I think they could be given the option to do that

but alternatively they should be allowed to grow without travelling across the whole map

since the current diets for herbivores are very unfriendly toward solo players

[keen plover]

Up to a certain size they should generally be hidden because let’s be real- they’re way too weak and slow for the open.

[hollow canyon]

if you have a loft of Stegos that are protecting your tiny midget Stego then you're good

like here - that tiny Stego is pretty safe

it has its "guardian angels" protecting it

[fresh laurel]

wait question

juv pachy can get all 3 nutri now?

[languid tundra]

cocos are meant to drop more often so in theory

[fresh laurel]

how are they even sustaining themselves...

[languid tundra]

yes

[keen plover]

Sustaining stegos is easy

[fresh laurel]

annoying easy

[keen plover]

There’s grass everywhere

[fresh laurel]

I mean

would be funny to make grazing take forever to feel a tick from it

become true cow stego

[keen plover]

Constant eating lmao that would suck

But big herbis need to eat a lot so

[fresh laurel]

if you choose grazing

[languid tundra]

how to kill stego populations 101

[fresh laurel]

diet plants still are better option

[fresh laurel]

get your 50 utah pack

[languid tundra]

not what i meant but k

[fresh laurel]

lmao

[fresh laurel]

I mean constant eating when you are surrounded by said grass and arent scared of rivers

aint so bad but boring

[keen plover]

Yeah way too boring and I think vivid meant that no one would play stego?

[languid tundra]

dejavu

[fresh laurel]

would be a win

no funky stronk stego

then teno and pachy rise

[keen plover]

8T stego moment

[languid tundra]

alienating a whole group of players doesnt really sound like a win

but you do you i guess

[fresh laurel]

me when 8 ton deino

[fresh laurel]

im not saying make stego gameplay that boring if i were to change stego

i would simply increase stego stam consumption or endlag for swipe currently

[keen plover]

Stego as a playable is fine. It does what it’s meant to do well.

[fresh laurel]

but is unchallenged currently

in a more complete ecosystem its balanced yea if not underpowered

[keen plover]

Yeah but not much can be done about that. So it will be with us

[languid tundra]

the same was said earlier today about deino, in a balanced eco its fine but right now

[fresh laurel]

but rn its surrounded by a undersized mega gator and one mid tier small hunter carni and one glass canon carni

[languid tundra]

its only challenge is itself

[keen plover]

Honestly stego is actually fine now imo. Since people are moving around

They are not much of a threat like they were in the oasis meta

[fresh laurel]

i actually see waaay less mega herds

😄

and ai spawn being fixed helped

boar are a bit too common for what i like but eh

[languid tundra]

Ive not seen a single other stego since oasis was yeeted, but its lonely because im forced to be solo at that point, even if its my usual MO

[keen plover]

You know what was crazy yesterday. I killed one herbivore and the stegos walked off

[fresh laurel]

impossible

[keen plover]

They let me have a body crazy

[fresh laurel]

wait that happened for me too

[languid tundra]

oh you had the good stegs, the ones who dont give the rest of us a bad name

[fresh laurel]

a stego packing with lil teno and pachy let me eat a lil pachy i killed as a lil utah

i guess they see body guarding as a waste of time when they could spend time getting more nutrient plants

[languid tundra]

i swear theres like, a group of 5 people who go on diff servers as stegs just to fuck with everyone and deny food

and the rest of us bare the wrath

[keen plover]

Typical bully bs.

[fresh laurel]

just pull out stego and kill them

just say you wanna join em and boom

[keen plover]

They know they’re untouchable so they do whatever they like

[fresh laurel]

thats the problem with herds lol

thought stego might run from a rex

[languid tundra]

might

[fresh laurel]

so rex anti herd?

[languid tundra]

will, run.

[keen plover]

Well

[fresh laurel]

i dunno i can see 5 stegos running from 2 rexes

well not 5

[languid tundra]

depends on how they adapt the rex i guess

[fresh laurel]

maybe 3 or 2 but you know what i mean

[keen plover]

If they make stego 8T then Rex would be cautious since it will likely just get rolled

[fresh laurel]

rex is big dmg boi and stego is said to be a glass canon for its tier

[keen plover]

At the very least near death

[carmine patrol]

it's most likely slower than rex so it should be able to fight it

[fresh laurel]

me when new para size

[keen plover]

Yeah they should upsize stego to its 8T estimates when apexes are in

[fresh laurel]

i think it would be a bit faster than rex

[languid tundra]

i guess well wait n see but we all know one thing thats for sure.... rex mega pack will be doin the kill squad

[fresh laurel]

since a dino that prob has more dmg and hp while being faster is scary

[carmine patrol]

rex is prob at 30 km/h while steg is at 27

[keen plover]

Ain’t no way Rex is slow. I just don’t see it.

They will make Rex as fast as possible

[carmine patrol]

but tht is how fast it is

[fresh laurel]

i can rex having the best trot speed ingame but worst run speed

[languid tundra]

i cant wait for everyone saying rex is too op cuz no one can outrun or outlive it

[fresh laurel]

make rex have best trot speed and best sniff range

ggez

[keen plover]

Slow as in slower than stego. (Should have prefaced that)

[fresh laurel]

me when rex could take up mid tier niche

[languid tundra]

you know who DOES need better sniff? pt, i jumped on mine today and it really is ass lol

[fresh laurel]

to be fair you can see everything in air and fish

[carmine patrol]

then it should have the ability to catch prey and pin it down and kill it

[languid tundra]

well, fish yes, but crabs and chickens can be tough

[fresh laurel]

thats just a kill animation at that point which are planned...

[languid tundra]

dont get me started on frogs

[keen plover]

Having a quick trot and slow speed means that Rex pretty much has no chance at catching a bipedal playable

[carmine patrol]

cus no way it's able to chase prey and bite it to death

[keen plover]

Since run to a forest- crouch and footprints are gone

[fresh laurel]

rex preying mostly of fat herbis

[languid tundra]

anyway, its the distance, i wanna know the general direction of the food, not have to fly low and use only eyes as if I didnt have a nose in the first place

[fresh laurel]

like rex going for the classic trike or maybe getting risky with anky

[languid tundra]

dont get me wrong tho, i can use my eyes but ya know, we have sniff for a reason

[fresh laurel]

ngl ptera having to actually try to run down some of the diet foods is just funny to me

[keen plover]

Trike, anky, shant will likely just roll a Rex

[languid tundra]

found my first crab today, in the whole time of playing since pt came out

[fresh laurel]

i would say 2 rexes would be enough for those 3

one to distract

anyways its not like you will shrug off a rex bite

[keen plover]

See but that requires 2 rexes. What happens if the herbis have 2 as well

What does a solo Rex player do

[fresh laurel]

rely on ambushing

yea thats right rex special could be legacy ambush mechanic brought back for it only

i said it...

[keen plover]

unfair then

[fresh laurel]

how so?

[keen plover]

Speed boosts are unfair imo

[fresh laurel]

horrible base speed but somewhat good ambush speed

im not saying go back to its ambush being fast as legacy ambush

just enough to reliably ambush something

even then if you fail the ambush you lost alot of stam...

[keen plover]

[fresh laurel]

ambusher rex would be deviating if it lands a bite tbh

[keen plover]

Depends how much faster and how long

Since technically Carno has a speed boost ambush ability

[fresh laurel]

depends on your camo which is where skins help

[fresh laurel]

and it works so for rex kinda that but minus auto knockdown

[keen plover]

I meant how much quicker should the ambush be like 1.2x faster or something

Like 30km to….

[fresh laurel]

depends how slow would rex be

when base speed

[keen plover]

Fair point. They could have it where it’s base speed is slower than most things- but be enough to catch larger herbis off guard and apexes

But it shouldn’t be faster than mid tiers

[fresh laurel]

i wanna say maybe shant legacy speed

i think a mid tier or small tier could escape that

not sure on shant exact legacy speed

basing it on memory

[keen plover]

If you’re a trike, shant, (larger para if we get that) then fair

Even anky and stego

[fresh laurel]

larger para would be scary as hell ngl

[keen plover]

Larger was mainly 7T para if we get anything close to that

[fresh laurel]

and yea rex should be ambushing the bigger herbis pretty reliably imo

like one bite is kinda the decider on your weak side

after all i dont think rex is gonna run down much things

[fresh laurel]

but imagine the calls in the distance

then seeing it up close

[fallow blaze]

"The world is changing..."
The game feels authentic again since the update, all dinosaur customization is plausible and comparable to real nature. The game has become more realistic.
As is generally intended.

👍 🎉 😍

[blissful sundial]

woop woop

[keen plover]

Para at that size should be the smallest thing a rex should be hunting imo

Well maybe acro?

[fresh laurel]

realistically para would prob get oneshotted by a rex bite

[fresh laurel]

imagine skins thoooo

thats true fun

[languid tundra]

para would be a walking steak i feel like

[keen plover]

I guess? A lot of things would tbf

[fresh laurel]

also skins would make it hella easy to keep track on a bleeding target when hunting

[fresh laurel]

at the same time rex would get one shotted by alot of things too

if the isle was pure realism then rex is god

or trike best defensive herbi

like trike impaling rex

[fallow blaze]

I mean it. no sarkasm. Especially with the nerfs. The balance is restored. 😄

[fresh laurel]

yea ill admit the game is pretty balanced rn

[keen plover]

Depends on a lot of factors to even say that. Since you know- other carnivores were extinct before rex was even a thing. We also know a lot more about rex than we do with other carnivores so However generally herbis could be considered 'gods' in terms of power and numbers

[languid tundra]

also the amount of kfs would be less with realism

[fresh laurel]

reason why i say rex would be god is due to it out competing other carnis at younger ages already

[languid tundra]

they go for sick and injured

[fresh laurel]

kfs?

[languid tundra]

killing for sport

[fresh laurel]

to be fair that already is a thing

if you saw a herbi just throw up or see a elder losing its prime then you would target it

if you saw a herbi with a broken bone you would target it

[languid tundra]

i call you on that, i see carnis going for whatever they see they dont bother looking at their health state

[keen plover]

Wouldn't it also depend on what herbivores are around? Since a rex wouldn't be competing for the same thing a giga would for example?

[fresh laurel]

i would say personally i see most players always go for a broken boned prey soo

[fresh laurel]

yea but how would a juv giga out compete a juv rex

if we are using the whole rex replacing mid dinos at younger ages

unless we kinda take from legacy and juv giga is the more tankier yet slower option?

[keen plover]

I don't know much about giga or rex to really say.

[fresh laurel]

not sure how much we know about giga that isnt old info

[keen plover]

Is there even a skeleton for a juvi giga ?

[fresh laurel]

i dont think so

dont feel like researching to double check

[keen plover]

Same lmao

Anyways peace

[wise obsidian]

https://youtu.be/geGrOlwXRjw

[wild cove]

Damn, they made Ptera so squishy that Ptera 2-shots each other lol

[marsh lion]

I'm starting to think they should've never change it's weight. Same with Pachy's turn like Idnod mentioned

[alpine plover]

Teno is fine honestly @carmine patrol

[rancid bluff]

starting to think? poor ptera didn't need any nerfs to begin with

it's so weak it might as well just be fabric at this point

[dusky surge]

i like the nerf soley for the fact that ptera finally has weight that makes sense

[alpine plover]

Carno is perfect now, you are just not right, you just want tenos to be able to destroy carnos like before

[sinful cove]

bet my left eye this is a carno main

the hitbox on tenonto's kick is horrid and they didnt bother to fix that before they made it tenonto's primary damage ability

tenonto's feet can be clearly hitting a target and it's a gamble if it registers

[dusky surge]

dinofan i admire your persistence but do you think maybe trying to PLAY teno? Because based on your messages, I'm assuming you mainly play carno

[sinful cove]

did a quick history search he's 100% a carno main lol probably never even touched teno

[dusky surge]

lmao

[sinful cove]

probably just happy that he can make 200 mistakes in a fight against a tenonto now

[dusky surge]

I don't think teno is useless like some have said, but I'm not agreeing with dino's "LITERALLY DO NOT CHANGE TENO I PLAY CARNO ALL THE TIME" because that's... Kind of telling

[rancid bluff]

I wouldn't say 1 carno should be 100% dead, not at all, that should be a fair fight or if anything more tipped in the carnos favor, in a fight of course, if it's a chase teno should be able to escape

[sinful cove]

two animals in the same tier, the slower of the two should have a melee advantage. tenonto cant really run or hide reliably, tracking enables carnis to track whiel moving at any speed and in dense jungle even as carno

i can effortlessly track people through a dense ass jungle as a carnivore even if they get a clear head start on me

[rancid bluff]

I saw a teno pretty easily escape a carno not long ago, he wasn't even fully grown but the carno was

all he had to do was dodge it a few times and get in a river, carno didn't want to risk swimming

[sinful cove]

so... tenonto can maybe escape if its lucky enough to be by a big river and also not get grabbed by a deino

pretty situational, in every other situation it is not gonna get away from any competent carnivore

[dusky surge]

Swimming is pretty good against carno honestly but still

[rancid bluff]

does carno still have the minute long stamina like it did in update 4?

[sinful cove]

the tracking system is op as shit, carno is agile enough to traverse forests easier than before, tenonto's kick hitbox is atrocious and its tail hits like a wet noodle

it has to take damage in order to even have the possibility of landing a kick

[rancid bluff]

the tail hit is supposed to stun an attacker, if it still knocks someone down there's a pretty good tactic there, slam them with your tail so they fall over, then kick them in the face while they're down

[sinful cove]

unless the carno is on your ass when you hit it with slam its sheer luck if you can kick it during the CC without adjusting yourself and losing precious time

[rancid bluff]

or just claw it a bunch

[sinful cove]

like ive had my tenonto's feet kickin to a carno, like going in to its body and it didnt register

[rancid bluff]

since the claws are a lot easier to aim

[sinful cove]

its claw is pretty mediocre tbh

but they should have buffed that instead of its kick if they werent gonna fix the shitty hitbox

[rancid bluff]

how many claws to the face does it take to kill a carno?

[sinful cove]

idk i rarely use it, maybe somebody lurking here has tried that lol

[rancid bluff]

assuming the claw attack does reasonable damage it should be able to kill a carno pretty fast, tail slam it, claw its face like an angry cat while it's down, repeat till it stays down

of course all assuming that it does reasonable damage

[sinful cove]

they could have done that, the kick is just hot garbage. it almost feels like RNG with how often it fails to register despite a target being in such close range

[rancid bluff]

I feel like the tail slam should really give a body fracture

cause you know, massive weight being dropped onto you

usually that isn't gonna feel very good, for the ribs

[sinful cove]

it was tenonto's signature ability and now it's basically just the shibe bonk meme on a dinosaur that does nothing useful because your follow up attacks arent reliable

[rancid bluff]

if they fixed the kick hitbox, gave the claw attack more bleed damage (and more base damage if needed, again idk how much damage it does) and gave the tail slam a body fracture then I think teno vs carno would finally be the even matchup everyone has been crying about

I think like 2-3 tail slams should body fracture a carno

[carmine patrol]

it's definitely not

[alpine plover]

Don't spam your tail

[carmine patrol]

I don't

[alpine plover]

Stun them with the tail, kick them once or twice and claw

Teno can most definitely fight carnosd

[carmine patrol]

that's a nice play style that I like

it now requires more skill to play

[alpine plover]

Yes

Teno is fine#

[carmine patrol]

it's just that the tailslam takes too much stamina and does little damage

[alpine plover]

It should do little dmg, stamina I agree on

[carmine patrol]

it should cost 4-7% stamina for you to use it without running out of stam

especially when there's more than one carno

[alpine plover]

Well

You shouldn't really fight 2 Carnos

[carmine patrol]

you should atleast stand a chance to fight back

currently if you see 2 carnos you're dead

[alpine plover]

No. Teno isn't supposed to fight 2 Carnos. Escape them through water, ez

[carmine patrol]

I lost my teno yesterday because I saw 2 carnos but the water was infested with deinos, so no chance to escape

[rancid bluff]

fight the deinos and escape the carno

[alpine plover]

I escaped 7 Carnos as a Teno. You can escape the Carnos.

[carmine patrol]

also what if you see carnos far from a water source?

you're dead

[alpine plover]

teno isn’t really supposed to be in the plains

[rancid bluff]

yeah, its diet is mainly around water sources

[carmine patrol]

teno shouldn't be locked next to the rivers/swamps at all times

[carmine patrol]

how do you explain radish root?

you need to go through a long journey far from the water to get them

teno really needs a buff right now, a good teno can't do anything if it sees a good carno

[alpine plover]

I’d agree that the tail slam consumption is definitely too much, especially since the damage was nerfed to 180?

[carmine patrol]

yes

[alpine plover]

the kick doing more damage than the tailslam definitely seems off

[carmine patrol]

exactly

they shouldn't of nerfed the tail damage

[alpine plover]

I disagree

it was 360 before, little too high

would put it at like 280 or something

[rancid bluff]

yeah before you could just spam slam a carno to death as a teno

[carmine patrol]

all they had to do was make the stun shorter so that you can only hit twice with tail

[carmine patrol]

it was mainly because of how long the stun was

[dusky surge]

im pretty sure thats around where it's at now

maybe a bit lower?

Def not 180

[alpine plover]

I heard it was 180, not sure if it’s true

[sinful cove]

doesnt it take a full 10 slam barrage to kill carno with body shot snow?

[alpine plover]

Teno is fine. Just needs some actual skill and thought now

[dusky surge]

It's much higher than 180

[sinful cove]

i heard from somebody it takes 10 slams which would be 180 but i havent tried it myself yet

[carmine patrol]

it is, I'm very sure I tested it 3 times and it always took 10 slams to the body to kill a carno

[dusky surge]

That doesn't sound right, because I tested using headshot multipliers to make sure the leg doesn't get in the way

[alpine plover]

I’ll test later to see if it’s 10 body hits

[sinful cove]

slam could have been changed to just do a knockdown+ some body frac instead of a stun instead of being changed in to a wet pasta slap

[alpine plover]

doesn’t sound right but may as well check

[dusky surge]

I can guarantee in my experience it isn't 180 tho

[rancid bluff]

maybe 200 or something slightly above

[carmine patrol]

I can test it right now and I'm pretty sure that it's 180

[dusky surge]

I find the leg hitbox on carno takes hits it should not

[carmine patrol]

maybe 190 but it's not higher

[dusky surge]

No way man

It's def like 200-300, somewhere in the middle of that I think

[rancid bluff]

I think the low damage would be fine if it had a fracture to make up for it

[carmine patrol]

any volunteers wanna join taco island to check the damage value?

[dusky surge]

its late for me man, but i assure you that it cant be that low

sounds to me like leg issue

[carmine patrol]

I made sure that I was aiming for the front parts of the bodey

[dusky surge]

You would be surprise what counts as a leg shot

Especially with teno's slam

Teno's slam has... Special properties that make it a bitch to hit things with accurately

[carmine patrol]

I'll test again, this time I'll ask the carno to crouch and I'll hit the head then I'll calculate the damage

the only problem is, who's gonna be the carno?

[alpine plover]

I would but I’m at work

[carmine patrol]

If I don't find one today I'll find one tomorrow and I'll show you the results

[cold sedge]

I submitted a bug report about this because it was blatantly obvious on a stego I was playing but I think the carno hitbox is messed up right now. A carno was right next to me biting, while we were standing still and my tail went right through them without doing any damage multiple times. It happened quite a few times but the other times we were moving so I can’t rule out desync. Currently growing another stego to see if I can reproduce it.

[alpine plover]

@rancid bluff but 3 tail slams is the exactly amount of slams you can make after one stun

[alpine plover]

@hexed sorrel carno charge ia not easy, you hit the player charge makes effect, is not like pachys breaking carno leg by hitting the tail, carno is perfect now, it shouldt be changed at all, maybe buff teno a little but carno is ok

[fallow stag]

Carno needs to be nerfed like before and pachy and teno buffed that is how it should be!!!!!

[sinful cove]

in what world is carno charge not easy now? you gotta have a broken keyboard or mouse if you think it isnt easy lmao

it takes the bare minimum of competence to successfully use a carno charge consistently

[alpine plover]

Well same with pachy, tail slamming is also easy, biting too, tail swinging to, you just need to aim well thats all, every attack is easy

[sinful cove]

contradicting yourself a bit here

[alpine plover]

But every attack is easy to perform then

[alpine plover]

Ok right

[sinful cove]

however, not every attack has much payoff. the tailslam doesnt have much payoff and costs 10% stamina

[alpine plover]

No, now tenos and pachys run from carno as they ahould do, not like before that was the other way

[alpine plover]

A charge cost a lot of stamina to

[sinful cove]

tenonto is a brawler, brawlers are proactive defense. except now they made it fodder if it plays defensively, a lot like legacy trike vs other animals in its tier

[alpine plover]

Teno is still good defending himself

[sinful cove]

since a carno with any level of competence and caution can now just bully one at its leisure

[sinful cove]

tenonto is an average defender now against something that has the engagement advantage, which isn't adequate

[alpine plover]

Yes if the teno absolutelly suck, before a bad teno player could fight 2 carnos

[sinful cove]

an average tenonto vs an average carno is at a disadvantage atm

[alpine plover]

Carno is who decides to engage not teno

[sinful cove]

thats what i said

did you read what i wrote lol

[alpine plover]

More sense the herbi has the disadvantage than the carni

[sinful cove]

carno has the engagement advantage + is basically on par with tenonto in a fight so tenonto is now at a disadvantage

[alpine plover]

Like it should, between prey and predator of same size predator has the advantage

[sinful cove]

maybe if you are a carni main who likes to kill easy targets and broadcast for some jurassic park roleplay, but for balance, it is not good for the slower animal in the same tier to have the disadvantage in the melee if it can not reliably run or hide

[alpine plover]

Teno just need to hit tail slam and then kick, if you cant you deserve to be eaten

[sinful cove]

this is a game, though i can see clearly that you have flawed logic for game design so if you have that stance it isn't worth using reason

[sinful cove]

it's obvious that you don't play tenonto, because you would realize that the hitbox on the kick is unreliable

[alpine plover]

So then for you the way it was before is perfect, carno being trashed by teno like it weighted 25 kg

[sinful cove]

i wasnt making an argument for then, this is an argument for now

you are putting words in my mouth lmao

[fallow stag]

he just a carno player happy that they buffed it

nothing else

[sinful cove]

yeah that part is obvious, he's one of those "this is my favorite dino so it should play like t rex rawr xd"

[alpine plover]

You say ia not good right now so makes sense
i think you liked it how it was before

[sinful cove]

i dont even play tenonto often but this is just unfair for it

[sinful cove]

what you think i liked in the last patches has no bearing in a conversation about a current matchup

[alpine plover]

Ok maybe buff a little teno but carno has to stay like this

[sinful cove]

they did what they always do in these big patches, they took a problem animal and went too far in fixing it, and turned it in to a mess

[alpine plover]

Yeah but right now the only easy to find low tier is pachy

[sinful cove]

carno is supposed to hunt small tiers and animils at its tier, which it does. the bad ecosystem is a different issue

also it isnt hard to find utahs lol

[alpine plover]

I mean, carno was a bad decision, it ahould have been cerato

[sinful cove]

we should have gotten cerato and kentro instead of stego and carno

[alpine plover]

I could say the same about the teno mains complaining

[alpine plover]

Well at least theres something where we both can agree

[fallow stag]

Its kinda funny that these dev listen to these kinds off players.
Even before oasis was removed
9carnos would show up and mass kill anyone
Or the 17 utahs who did the same thing
Or the 9 crocs in oasis attacking anything
And once one off them got killed they would cry about it on the forums and asked herbis to get nerfed

[sinful cove]

carno needed skill to kill tenontos previously, but it was very well doable, now, two players of the same skill level, carno is at the advantage despite having the engagement advantage. carno is able to make a good handful of mistakes and get away with it

[alpine plover]

Ok, carno mains used to complain because teno was broken

[sinful cove]

tenonto was overtuned but it should still have the melee advantage in an equal skill matchup, they knocked its combat ability down too far

[alpine plover]

carno is not broken now, and i could go like this using your same bad arguments

[sinful cove]

they neutered its main ability and transferred the attack power to an ability with a horrible and unreliable hit regestration

[alpine plover]

But that is not carno fault for getting a deserved buff, is devs fault for making teno crap

[sinful cove]

its mainly a tenonto stat problem, personally id rather they change one side at a time rather than do all sides and break more shit

thats how we ended up in this current situation

they made sizeable balance changes from both sides and now it is too much

[fallow stag]

Carno just had to ram a teno and alt bite it twice and it would drop to 20-30%
While pachy would take 1 ram and 1 alt bite

[alpine plover]

Ok then the conclusion is bring back old teno but keep carno the same right? I would accept it

[sinful cove]

it's what i would try first

[fallow stag]

Yep 👍

[alpine plover]

No

[sinful cove]

i hate how they roll out occasional big patches with tons of balance changes rather than a series of smaller patches that allows for more experimentation, so they could have changed carno, removed oasis, removed pachy's weird parry ability and then waite dto see how that panned out before adding further changes

because that may have been all that needed to be changed

[alpine plover]

I dont really now why they nerfed teno, what carno mains like me were asking for was a carno buff not a teno nerf

[sinful cove]

they nerfed teno because people were complaining about getting minced after they got hit with the tailslam, so they overnerfed it

carno could kill tenonto if it had an ounce of patience which most carnos do not, from what i see personally

people always tried to play carno like a brawler and not an ambusher which its charge was good for

[alpine plover]

I think tail slam damage should be like before, just make kick better and make teno only be able to hit one tail slam after the first one instead of two more like before thanks to the staggerimg

[sinful cove]

even with carno's poor agility it could also bait tenontos, since they upped carno's agility i don't think such a big tenonto nerf was necessary

i think they could have kept tail slams old damage and maybe change the cc to a knockdown and moderate frcture instead of the stun which is what enabled tenonto to leave carnos on death's door in one barrage

[alpine plover]

But the bad agility didnt let them punish the bait

[sinful cove]

baiting was still possible with the bad agility, it was just more difficult

[alpine plover]

I know, but i mean biting after you baited it

[sinful cove]

you had to rally calculate your angles like some anime antagonist when you made a move

[sinful cove]

the point was to wear the tenonto out

[fallow stag]

I also think the problem was that to many teno or pachy players would go center and start killing carnis just for fun but then again u will always find toxic playrs on evry server

[sinful cove]

oasis was a huge part of the herbivore problem, not the individual herbivores' stats

[alpine plover]

No

[sinful cove]

pachy and tenonto had a few issues but they just needed ironing out, not a whole makeover

[alpine plover]

Well avtually yes, only humans

[sinful cove]

actually they do

animals like buffalo, elephants, hippos, even deer will kos sometimes

horses will kos sometimes

moose too

herbivores are assholes irl

[fallow stag]

Oh maybe they will balance things out since ive not seen many herbis since the new patch

[alpine plover]

The only playable right now makes sense attacks first is pachy

[sinful cove]

yeah cows will just eat a bird lol

[sinful cove]

any brawler makes sense to be on proactive defense, which includes pachy, tenonto, and soon cerato

cant send animals in duress here

[alpine plover]

Doesnt makes sense that if a carnivores goes to drink teno goes kill it

[sinful cove]

i mean if the carno like, walks close to the tenontos then yeah it sort of does

[fallow stag]

Still think carno needs to be more off a ambush pred

[alpine plover]

It always has been

[sinful cove]

hippos do too at times, hell theyll even kos other herbivores for no apparent reason

[alpine plover]

Hippos are the fat bullies of africa

[sinful cove]

yeah though a lot of animals are prone to that

[alpine plover]

Ok so we solved the balance issue between teno and carno?

Bring back old teno, carno stays the same

[sinful cove]

well we at least hit a middle ground

lol also there was a vid of a deer attacking an eagle or some shit that was killing a rabbit idk if i can find it

[alpine plover]

Now lets discuss why magy sucks

[fallow stag]

I like it tho

[sinful cove]

magy should just be removed entirely tbh

[alpine plover]

Exactly

[fallow stag]

🤣

[alpine plover]

Amargasaurus was the correct choice for a small sauropod

[sinful cove]

i would have liked bajadasaurus or shunosaurus

[fallow stag]

They prob will giv it body frac

[sinful cove]

tapwing has art of those two and she is on the dev team, they coulda probably used her badass concepts

[fallow stag]

Are they not adding plateosaurus to?

[alpine plover]

I dont know what kissen sees in magy to like it that much

[sinful cove]

yeah plateo is set to come... some day

that's baja, amarga has backwards facing spines

i am a heavy plateo enthusiast but i aint keeping my hopes up on how theyll end up doing it

[alpine plover]

I really hope cerato is that U5.5 possible playablr

[fallow stag]

Think they will giv magy huge defense
Prob head swing with a kd
And a smash with the body
So it can break bones

[sinful cove]

what ever they give mgy, they cant make it look good fending off an allo or alberto

[alpine plover]

Yeah, and why not giving it wings to so it can fly

[sinful cove]

an alberto would DEMOLISH magy

[fallow stag]

They gotta hve to make it broken why else would they add it then

[alpine plover]

They hunted amarga I think

[sinful cove]

magy's special ability is to just spontaniously combust and suffocate nearby predators with the toxic smoke cloud when it dies

[alpine plover]

Thats the whole point of why magy sucks and should not be in the game

[sinful cove]

magy got hunted by a fucking pterosaur irl and died the instant a land bridge opened to its little safe space island

[alpine plover]

Quetz should destroy magy

[sinful cove]

if they wante dsomething form hateg island they should have given us balaur bondoc

quetz better have magy on its diet istg

[alpine plover]

Even hypsi

[sinful cove]

hypsi spits in magy's eyes, magy gets an eye infection, it spreads to its tiny brain and kills it

[fallow stag]

Its going to be fun playing magi and killing a allo with it LOL

[sinful cove]

killing what, a hatchling allo? then the parent shows up and eviscerates you

[alpine plover]

I mean, the isle magy shouldnt be called magy, the dinosaur in the game doesnt exist

[sinful cove]

and leaves your magy corpse to rot away in the sun

magy should never heal bleed

[fallow stag]

Magy will have the same size like a cera prob even a bit bigger tho

[sinful cove]

it's supposedly 50/50 with cera and cera aint gonna be fighting allos

so allo will obliterate it

and rightfully so

[fallow stag]

Who knows mybe they will change it

I hope they do

[sinful cove]

how can they possibly change magy without it looking utterly outrageous

in no realm of believability can they make magy viable if an allo or alberto sees it... unless

skunk magy

[fallow stag]

Neither do i see it outrun a allo

[sinful cove]

in its running reel it was clearly slower than allo

i doubt alberto will be slow too, it looks gracile

[alpine plover]

Kissen said it would be faster than allo

[fallow stag]

Jesus...

[sinful cove]

magy should have a special ability to teleport in to a volcano and die instantly

[alpine plover]

Lol

[sinful cove]

either kissen lies or theyre gonna nerf allo from its og run reel HARD

[alpine plover]

Magy should be able to poop eats it poop and die

[fallow stag]

They prob will make allo slower then and giv it less stam

[sinful cove]

they gotta give allo asthma in order to save magy from it

[alpine plover]

But kissen said they would make magy faster than allo not making allo slower

[sinful cove]

look at magys run reel if you can find it, they cant make it much faster without it looking like a joke

[alpine plover]

I know

[sinful cove]

astha allo when it broadcasts is just deflating baloon sound

[fallow stag]

I would just make magy alot bigger and slower
A slow apex herb

[sinful cove]

bruh then it isnt magy

[spare badger]

Might as well use Salta then

[fallow stag]

I kno but what else can u do

Just delete it

[sinful cove]

we have 3 other planned sauropods and you want to make magy a clone of one of them

[spare badger]

Salta is a rex sized saltasauroid so might as well use that

If you wanna upsize magy

[sinful cove]

apatosaurus, camarasaurus and brachiosaurus all make magy look like a joke

even plateo is probably better and its a prosauropod

[fallow stag]

Ye plateo could walk on 2 legs right ?

[sinful cove]

yeah

[fallow stag]

Would be nice to play that tbh

[sinful cove]

it slao has some mean claws

slap magy in the face with this

[fallow stag]

Oh they will buff magy insane
And evryone is going to complain about it u will see
And then they will nerf it again

[sinful cove]

i want coastal/mangrove plateo so bad

my lad

theyd have to give magy actual superpowers to make it work

[fallow stag]

This is the old model

[sinful cove]

god the old plateo model is so grungy

anorexic quadruped

combat galli

Hyper galli

In a way, cheirus is sort of the hyper galli because its related to it

[alpine plover]

Big dryo i would say

[sinful cove]

Its kind of like the better magy

[alpine plover]

You cant be better than something than cant be measured because of how bad it is

[sinful cove]

Magy wishes it was plateosaurus

Plateosaurus also bas a large adult size specimen range, it got up to 4000kg

True

Either way if they go for the biggest specimen size it would be bigger than our allo who i think might be fragillis

Ya would be nice. Could have variations with shuffled around stats like sacrificing hp for speed and whatnot but that would probably be a balancing nightmare

I just want good looking raptors

I like the raptor playstyle but i hate the way they look

What other specimen

Laten? Stenon?

I think they might be using stenon's size

Idk though

The troodon genus was kinda trashed and changed to stenon i think

Troodontidae is a family rather than a genus

Yeah i checked he still bares the same species name so stenon is the original troo specimen i guess

Stenonychosaurus inequalis

I can see why they went with just calling it troodon

Its easy to read but its a mouthful lol

Troodon is also what jurassic park still uses and dondi loves jurassic park

Its probably just a reference to their group coordination

Tricking, distracting and wearing out a target with venom

A small oneshot predator like that will probably have to use trickery to hunt anything sizeable

[frank viper]

Why would big groups play a weak dino?

Big groups wanna bully and for that you play big dinos

Not the small communist dino that needs a thousand comrades to take down a carno

[hollow canyon]

Herbivores diets for juvies need some changes

[cold sedge]

Idk I’m starting to think people are over reacting a bit. I have to play the other herbies to see if it’s worse for them but the stego has been pretty easy to grow, with plenty of time to chill before You need to go to the other side of the map

[sinful cove]

Troodon is good as long as it doesnt NEED that group to be viable. Not everybody wants to play a big dino

[hollow canyon]

I'd love it if the diets were removed but it doesn't seem like that's an option

[sinful cove]

The difference is carnis dont have to do that so it is unfairly skewed for herbivores

Herbivores have to scale the map to grow at a bearable pace, their juvie stages move slower than carnis as well. Carnis can eat any dead body or the easy to find anywhere ai and stay out of danger easily unless theres a bush hacker

Would have been nicer if herbivore food was more evenly spread in its appropriate biomes rather than making people ping pong as a slow ass juvie to different corners of the map

[hollow canyon]

So my suggestion to the issue is

to keep things as they are with one change - giving juvenile herbivores dynamic diets kind of/sort of like carnivores

but with them not necessarily being able to eat "everything"

but instead

having two of the nutrients come from two different sources

e.g. I'm growing a Tenonto atm

and it took me... 40 minutes? To get to perfect diet from spawning in

[sinful cove]

Personally id make it so juv herbis can get all nutrients from any of its preferred food types. I personally want to overhaul diets for both factions but i dont have much faith in the devs to dump this stupid shopping list diet especially for herbis

[hollow canyon]

I'd make it so that radish root and mountain ash both had alternative sources of nutrients

until you reach ~idk at least 50% of your growth

[sinful cove]

If carnis can get all nutrients from any body then a juv pachy or something should be okay with getting all its nutrients from a selection of its already preferred plants

[hollow canyon]

e.g. the alternative to mountain ash would be somewhat closer to the North West while the alternative to radish would be closer to South East

[hollow canyon]

while I most certainly wouldn't mind that I don't think that's going to fly tbh

They've moved the food further apart precisely because they want juvies to have to move

[sinful cove]

Probably wouldnt cus the devs seem to want juv herbis behaving like adults

[cold sedge]

I can get behind there being better parity between the two. I’ve never been fond of the no preferred diet till 50% on carnivore. 25% always felt more reasonable to me. By that time you shoot have a foot in the world and be able to survive decently enough

[sinful cove]

They forget that they made juv herbs unbearably slow compared to the carnis who are incentivized to AFK

[hollow canyon]

well ermm... both are really incentivised to afk

I'm afking on my Tenonto right now

[sinful cove]

Carnis can afk with all e nutrients filled almost immediately

[hollow canyon]

I've made that trip once and now it's back to counting the leaves on a bush I'm sitting in

[sinful cove]

Herbis have to scale the map, be lucky not to die to any predator, all of which are leagues faster then them except deino, and then get their boost

[hollow canyon]

When i was growing a Carno I had to move a couple of times, on Tenonto now it was a larger trip but I really only had to do it once

[cold sedge]

It’s just getting the initial diet. Once you have that it’s pretty easy to rotate around the map with decent bits of afking or exploring

[sinful cove]

On carno and utah i just afk in a bush at the southwest beach easy and theres also water there

[hollow canyon]

I doubt I'm going to move much from this point onward, maybe only so much to get water

[sinful cove]

Carnis can afk anywhere, they can pick a dead spot on the map and eat an ai that is easy to find in most regions

Herbis have to travel the whole map to specific areas that are easy for adult carnis to patrol

[hollow canyon]

Idk while playing herbivores I found one AI throughout the whole time - some lonely Pumba walking around

[cold sedge]

So lower the no preferred diet threshold so they can’t just afk for as much of their life. Idk I don’t want to go back to being able to sit in a bush in one area and find everything till max

[sinful cove]

I always run in to a hundred boars as utah lol

[cold sedge]

I’m having way more fun sneaking across the map

[sinful cove]

Id have fun sneaking across the map if the game wasnt holding a gun to my dinos head threatening it with a gazillion hour grow timer

[hollow canyon]

^

[rotund basalt]

Legit grew a Stego right after the update to figure out where it needs to go and such, Felt it was perfect tbh. If you do it right you won't have to keep moving over and over and there is plenty of time to relax and roam around while being immersive and nomming on some grass with full food casually walking around plains

[sinful cove]

When its forced it loses its fun value

[hollow canyon]

Goddamn I've been playing PoT during the previous patch and that game kind of does it much better

I kept moving there all the time, that was so nice

[cold sedge]

Agreed 100%

[sinful cove]

I was never a fan of afk growing, i always moved around, but now since the game wants to push it so hard it makes me lose motivation

[cold sedge]

If it doesn’t force you no one is going to do it

We have all of the time before this patch to prove it.

There might be outliers but the vast majority don’t. I also always roamed. But I’d rarely see people while I was out roaming in less popular growing areas

[sinful cove]

The game doesnt need to make the slowest animals in the game ping pong across the largest map in isle history (a map that we dont even have a full 4th of yet) in order to combat afk

[rotund basalt]

It literally forces people to migrate and so far I have loved the change. You see all kinds of species migrating from one to the next, some roam near ach other in the same area to protect each other (like they probably would have done IRL) to then split off into their own species group because they have to migrate to their other food source

I fucking love it

[sinful cove]

I barely see herbis now because of this garbage

I see 90% carnos

[hollow canyon]

I actually see quite a lot of herbivores

Stego is the most common animal I see

by far

[cold sedge]

I kept running into little herbs that would migrate with my full grown stego and then go on their own way once they got past the treacherous parts. Was a fun interaction I didn’t see as much before

[sinful cove]

Stego is like the only herbi i see in some playthroughs

[hollow canyon]

followed by Tenonto so far and then Carno(although I do hear a lot of Carnos and Utahs, I guess I just don't run into them)

I've seen Stego every time I played the game, typically more than one

[sinful cove]

I play pt a lot so i scale the map and herbivores are maybe a quarter of the population

But maybe im just unlucky

[rotund basalt]

Yeah that's awesome man

[hollow canyon]

What I find somewhat worrying is that honestly... the migration route is going to get old

very, very fast

[sinful cove]

Exactly

Its just the legacy berry bush with extra steps

[shrewd crescent]

That's cool! 😃

[hollow canyon]

there should be a couple of them, as it is people will just walk back and forth three times and get bored imo

[sinful cove]

The predictable routes and areas also makes it so damn easy for big packs of carnos to just blanket areas

[hollow canyon]

That too

I think that we've gone from one extreme to another... again

[sinful cove]

I feel like this was done to make it easier for carnis with no consideration for herbi players

[hollow canyon]

herbivores kind of got screwed by this patch, a bit too hard

[rotund basalt]

Give it time. The map is currently not that big, this patch was a huge step forward to see if people would now actually roam around the map more. Don't forget that Pachy's needs to go to the coast to get their coconuts. You can have multiple different routes going to either the Western Beach or the Northern.

[hollow canyon]

Can we stop throwing nerfs along with buffs to different animals on the same patch?

[sinful cove]

I dont want to talk in a triangle i want to explore without the game nipping my heels and punishing me for not traveling to X location

[hollow canyon]

buff one animal first, see how it performs then if its adversary still does too well think about nerfing it

but don't nerf one and buff the other because we move from one extreme to the other

this is the issue with releasing balance changes so rarely

[sinful cove]

Bruh thats part of the point i dont want this trash system with an even bigger map i know very well what we bave is tiny compared to the future map

Especially since some biomes will likely be quite limited like arid and redwoods areas

[rotund basalt]

I mean as a herbi you can literally roam anywhere without any issue. You will NEVER starve because you could literally nom on grass to stay at 20% food at all times. You just wouldn't have any buffs for having a perfect diet. So what? You don't always need a perfect diet to be able to roam around. Seems to me you both just wanna get all diets perfectly EZ without any difficulties and be full grown as fast as possible to then do what you want. The matter of the fact is.. This is a survival game. If you wanna explore that is completely within your realm but you just have to sacrifice a perfect diet for it if you don't manage it well

[sinful cove]

You can roam anywhere until the game lashes you with its whip and tells you to return to specific region at south east of the map or be punished for it

Carnis can eat food that is found in any end of the map to get their nutrients. Herbivore food should be separated by biome not by region. They want tenontos to be by water? Put their food by rivers, swamps, lakes, ponds, don't punish it for not wasting its time running to one fucking region of the map like some lame fetch quest

It feels like PoT

[rotund basalt]

It doesn't though, you literally don't have to go down south if you REALLY don't want to. You will just have a great diet then won't ya. Simple as that lol.
Anyways, seems like I can't change ur mind cos ur already set on your own so imma dip lmao, take care 😄

[sinful cove]

Bruh are you even reading?

I shouldn’t be punished for not taking part in some rpg stule fetch quest where it makes 0 sense and the other faction doesnt have to deal with that cancer

Youre ok with being punished? Good for you i guess

Not everybody wants to be forced to take part in a lazy and mediocre system and be faced with punishment for not doing it. Diets are dont badly, simple as that.

Nah then wed have more afkers

Diets should just be less garbage

If i wanted to play fetch quest id play PoT

The isle doesn’t need to implement this garbage, it is a lazy solution that hinders one faction that is already the less popular faction

Yeah but if somebody just AFKs they deserve that

But diets dont fix that especially for carnis

Carnis can afk minutes after spawning in if they pick the right areas

And are rewarded for it

[fresh laurel]

Waiting for the day for someone to test how much dmg utah alt bite does

[fresh laurel]

I think afk growers could also be reduced by making juvies have differeny niches than adults

What was that?

Oooh yea i remember that

Just took a long time to take effect

[sinful cove]

Yeah juvies are boring as hell right now, especially herbis, so just making them less shit somehow would be better than this fetchquest bs

[fresh laurel]

Rn the game is just get adult to actually have fun

Since juvies cant really have fun thx to being a worst adult in almost everyway

Ptera is now useless bet

[sinful cove]

In legacy i had fun as some of the juvis while others were hot garbage, in evrima, a juvie is mediocre at best except ptera because it grows in a snap

[hollow canyon]

we wouldn't if the core gameplay was engaging and interesting

I've been afk for almost an hour now since reaching the perfect diet

[sinful cove]

Hypsi will probably grow in a snap too

[hollow canyon]

and honestly - that was the best part of the game

[sinful cove]

Like 30min at most probably

[fresh laurel]

How to make diets fun
Gore
Give juv herbis the 50% treatment

[sinful cove]

Me when i grow utah

[hollow canyon]

Running for 40 minutes was just a chore

now it's the "fun" part where I'm sitting in a bush and watching something in the background

I've made some dinner, I'm not complaining

[fresh laurel]

So uh are we not gonna question that devs said diets need gore to work for carnivores yet they released it without gore

[sinful cove]

Running for 40 minutes at a slow pace hoping to god a carno or utah wasnt looking just to begin growing at a bearable pace, while a carno that spawned in 15 minutes after you did is already tabbed out watching youtube with full nutrients

[fresh laurel]

10 mins if i had to think

Cant carno already canni fine?

[sinful cove]

Yeah

Carno and deino atm can just eat their own

[fresh laurel]

At least corpse guarding is less often

[sinful cove]

A lot of the tomes when i spawn in as carno i find a dead carno i just eat and afk actually

[hollow canyon]

Not on Carno

[sinful cove]

Corpse guarding was 90% an oasis problem