balance-feedback-discussion

[hollow canyon]

Realistically the moment an animal of that size would get grabbed by Carnotaurus it would be as good as dead.

[fresh laurel]

2 irl utahs vs irl carno/?

[hollow canyon]

I mean let's not get into a carnivora discussion here but Carno is just a much larger animal, this would be an equivalent of... what 2 wolves having a go at a grizzly bear?

[fresh laurel]

at the same time tho

utah was thick feather boi

[hollow canyon]

...4 times smaller than the Carnotaurus

[azure crescent]

the isle’s utah isn’t an actual utah, so when actual utah comes it should weigh between 800-1000 kg

[hollow canyon]

That is way too big for the actual Utah

the one in the game would probably weigh something around 300kg realistically

The real life one ~500kg

[fresh laurel]

1000kg too big

like waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

dont think utah is 2204.62 pounds

[sinful cove]

Utah is the mass of a big modern bear which is at or below 1000lb

[fresh laurel]

pretty sure utah was a bit over 1k pounds

welp back to growing my utah on the diet system...

[lean lotus]

@solemn lake If the issue is that Stego destroys Deino, which it should, then perhaps rivers should just be deeper so Deino has a place to retreat to ?

I wouldn't change the stats if the problem can be solved by the map.

[barren oracle]

Ez solution though

reduce weight of animals by 1.5x when their in water

[lean lotus]

that's not a good solution.

let alone the stupid amount of bugs that causes, what do you believe that actually accomplishes ?

[barren oracle]

Stegos not standing in water hunting deinos

Its a great solution

how buggy could it possibly get

[lean lotus]

Well let's see here.

If Stego's standing in Shallow Water, why should it be lighter ?

[barren oracle]

on land stego would destroy

In shallows probably bad idea

[lean lotus]

Okay, so, it can't use the tail while in deep water, so why make it lighter ?

If it can't swing the tail, it can't kill the Deino right ?

So if the water's shallow enough for Stego, then Deino should not hang around it, if there's too much shallow water on the map it's then a map issue, so you make the water deeper.

If Stego runs into Deep Water after a Deino, man has room temperature IQ

[barren oracle]

Map sucks

also why does swing do full damage in shallow water

i mean its gonna move slower

[lean lotus]

Well, for a tail swipe it does make sense, but then they'd have to implement something for it.

How do you tackle bites and grabs then, those wouldn't care about the water.

T.Rex and Deino holds just as strong in shallow water.

Thus, it is not practical to implement.

You'd be, at the best case scenario, adding an important interaction to the game that now has to be undestood by players on top of all the other stuff they have to get used to.

This is on top of you stating, quite correctly in my opinion, that the map sucks.

If everytime a match-up looked screwed the devs had to implement an interaction, or some mechanic, then Evrima would quite literally last until you died from old age, you'd be on Update 8 and telling your kids about how Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022 or something.

[sinful cove]

Land animals should become lighter while swimming, not standing in shin deep water, the only thing that should be affected by deep but not swimming level water is attacks from all land animals

[solemn lake]

No since stegos will still be d#### to dienos

[sinful cove]

thats just how the playerbase is

[solemn lake]

stegos would stop annoying dienos if there is a 50% of death

[alpine plover]

Ofc

[solemn lake]

ye?

[wise sparrow]

@tough wasp the hunter shouldn't get punished because the prey had a bad diet

[alpine plover]

If I died because my game crashed and i got killed, is any way i can have proofs? And if i have proofs to ghey give me back the dino that died?

[stark knoll]

This is the wrong channel for this. That said, admins do not restore lost characters under any circumstance, you can find more information pinned in the evrima server chats

[tough wasp]

its makes sense though. those numbers dont have to be exactly how i said but 5% good is literally what you get right now anyway

[tough wasp]

also if the diet of the prey is great or perfect than you get rewarded?

[sinful cove]

food values as a whole need a rework, especially when gore comes. predators should only need roughly 20% of their own body weight in food to get from 0-100 hunger filled. players with bad diet are also easier to kill so it seems fair that theyd also give less, but that is only once food values themselves are fixed and if we also have visual indicators for unhealthy animals such as duller colors and visible ribs that out them as lower risk+lower reward

[tough wasp]

i agree with this 100%

plus as it is now herbs are the ones out for blood all the time. so predators are always punished

[sinful cove]

with the current fod value problem though it would be pretty bad. a carno should be able to fill up on one utah and not have to go right back to looking for food, but with that fixed it would be much more fair to add something like this where unhealthy animals are less rewarding than healthy animals to account for them also being weaker

predators are looking for food most of the time unless theyre like a utah or ptera eating ai to partially fill out their nutrients

[tough wasp]

yeah. carnos are so fun but never being able to hang out and always have to look for food makes them a rare playthrough for me

[sinful cove]

the oasis + bad carni food values both lead to the deathmatch gameplay

herbis have all their food in one spot and therefor carnis do too but it just ends up being a bloodbath because of that

carnis who go there for the herbis and also the other carnis on their diet and they kind of have to if they want full diet

[fresh laurel]

@ripe furnace

[ripe furnace]

Yes

[fresh laurel]

what good reason in balance should they reduce utah turn

[ripe furnace]

It moves like a bug

Just a little odd

[fresh laurel]

but if they reduce it would ruin its pvp...

utah has to turn this quick to out turn things in order to get a good pounce in

[sinful cove]

Two bad takes on mobility in a row damn

[slim dragon]

"muh realism"

[brittle ice]

Mr. Blunt says that something as heavy as a Utah should have a slow turn radius. Exhibit a: bears. Bears weigh that much and are fat at that, and can still manage to be nimble enough to about face quickly and even climb trees.

[slim dragon]

That's why he's called Mr.Blunt, and not Mr.Sharp

[alpine plover]

The problem is that the utah we have its impossible that it weights the 450 kg it says it does

[brittle ice]

Gameplay over realism. We're talking about dinosaurs here. I'd give them some creative liberty given we have lobsters in real life that can punch so fast they undissolve oxygen in the water and cause a cavitation bubble, and are capable of breaking a grown mans knee. See mantis shrimp or pistol shrimp.

I'd be complaining about stegosaurus more in the realism department than a Utah's turn speed, a tool that it kinda needs to stand out as an opportunity hunter that hunts above it's weight class.

[alpine plover]

Exactly, so utah gameplay has to be fast.

Oh

You were defending too that utah has to be like that

[brittle ice]

Utah currently thrives as a fast turn opportunity striker. It should not get a nerf. Utah is one of the few creatures that feel balanced at the moment.

[alpine plover]

Yeah I got you, I thought you were saying utah shouldnt have good turn radius

[dusky surge]

you get full points, that was fucking funny

[spare badger]

It's true

[hexed sorrel]

@alpine plover pachy doesnt do much damage at all. it can just add up damage extremely fast which makes it deadly

[fresh laurel]

You think mr blunt is related to frosty somehow?

[ripe furnace]

I was thinking more of speed not turn

[fresh laurel]

Nerf utah speed?

[ripe furnace]

Yeah

[sinful cove]

What good would that do

[fresh laurel]

Why?

[ripe furnace]

I just think it moves too fast

[fresh laurel]

What reason would that have to do with balancing

[ripe furnace]

It would make the Utah less fast thats it

[fresh laurel]

How much of a speed nerf

[ripe furnace]

Not too much

[fresh laurel]

How much

[ripe furnace]

I don’t think I’m able to measure it’s current speed

[fresh laurel]

You do know pachy is like 5 speed or 4 from utah right

Carno is faster

[ripe furnace]

Then bring Utah down 2 speed

Or 1

[fresh laurel]

Then at that point why bother nerfing it

[ripe furnace]

Because it is too fast

I don’t want to make it slow

[fresh laurel]

1 speed would be nothing

[ripe furnace]

Then 2

[fresh laurel]

2 is worthless

[ripe furnace]

Then 3

[fresh laurel]

Then pachy catches it

[ripe furnace]

Then just 2

[fresh laurel]

Then its still a worthless nerf

[ripe furnace]

You said pachy was five behind

[fresh laurel]

How are you fine with pachy breaking bodies on tail hits but utah being 1 or 2 speed too fast for you is a bother

[fresh laurel]

Around that range

[ripe furnace]

I never wanted that

I don’t like pachy bone break

[fresh laurel]

You arent complaining about the real issues

[ripe furnace]

I can’t complain about the same thing forever

[fresh laurel]

You wanna nerf things cus it "Looks weird"

[ripe furnace]

I just said because it moved too fast

[fresh laurel]

And you offered worthless nerfs

Like why bother at that point

[ripe furnace]

I offered 3 but then you changed your standard

[fresh laurel]

No one cares about how fast utah runs lmao

[ripe furnace]

k

[fresh laurel]

I said 5 or 3 is where pachy starts to kick in

[sour halo]

if my game knowledge is correct utah is 46.7kmh and pachy is 41.8kmh

[ripe furnace]

That’s pretty fast for both

[sinful cove]

First you want stego to be outright unable to sprint, then you want utah to be slower for no balance reasons supplied. Do you just hate seeing people run? Wtf is this lol

[hollow canyon]

I think the point about Stego was more so that the running animation makes it look like a balloon-animal kicked by someone to move forward.

Utah's current in game speed is 46.8km/h btw

[sinful cove]

the idea for the elephant run animation change for stego was better than that bs

slow its run to give it the elephant style sprintwalk, increase its stamina to compensate so it isnt a nightmare to travel with

also if utah was slower it would reduce its ability to dodge attacks which is a pretty vital part of its gameplay when fighting defensives and brawlers because it is no tank

[hollow canyon]

I mean yea, I think that was the point Blunt was trying to make, at least that's what he said when I asked him whether he wants the animal to just have a different animation or if it's about cutting the "sprint" altogether".

I have no idea why Utah should be slower tbh, I don't see any reason for that, it looks alright at its current speed, I'd probably make Dryo slightly slower if anything.

[fresh laurel]

next he'll say make ptera not fly because it looks weird

[dusky surge]

is he trolling

[sinful cove]

"increase juvie carno speed" what lmao

[dusky surge]

surely he's trolling at this point

increase the speed of the fastest juvi

also what's his obsession with speed as of late lmao

[sinful cove]

escaping predators as a juv carno is easy unless theyre fuckin hackers lmao

maybe he is a secret carno main and he wants everyone else to be even slower than carno is now

[dusky surge]

Nerf utah speed, remove stego sprint, buff juvi carno speed

What

[spare badger]

[sinful cove]

he probably just got killed by a utah or some shit as a juv carno and rushed to make the feedback. just like he probably got finessed by a raptor and idk, just hates stego?

[spare badger]

I'm going to repeat the joke cause it was funny and true
Mr. Blunt not Mr. Sharp

[sinful cove]

[dusky surge]

Thank you for this joke

[sinful cove]

somebody upvoted him lol

[spare badger]

Discord took my reaction off bruh

[hollow canyon]

I'm leaning towards the opinion that at this point it is just trolling.

[sinful cove]

did he block you lol

[dusky surge]

try reacting again you may be blocked lmao

[spare badger]

I did at it still works

It took the em off again lol

It still works though

[fresh laurel]

quick get someone to pin Mr. Blunt not Mr. Sharp in here

[fresh laurel]

its all coming together...

he wants utah and stego nerfs because apparently they are weird...

yet he wants fastest juvie ingame to get speed buff...

none other than for carno....

are you guys sure this isnt frosty relative or something

just less biased

[stark knoll]

All of you drop the insults.

He shared his opinion, he is allowed to.

I don't care how many of you disagree with his opinion(s) or to what extent, you will not insult and berate other users for it.

This goes to all of you @fresh laurel @dusky surge @spare badger @sinful cove

Are we clear?

[fresh laurel]

yea

[spare badger]

👍

[fresh laurel]

[spare badger]

My apologies.

[spare badger]

Y'all
Opinions on Troodon balance wise

[fresh laurel]

Troodon must be able to kill rex or not viable

End of discussion.

[barren oracle]

Ugh- Carno biggest thing it should be able to kill, honestly wouldn’t mind the devs encouraging mixpacking with them, cause sooner or later they’ll be irrelevant considering they require large numbers

[fresh laurel]

Troodon and dilo and utah pack all merge to take down a spino

And this should take place at night too!

[wise sparrow]

@wispy valley that's the point of ambushes. To be swift and silent.

I find it scary and cool that dinos close to death have raspy voices

[fresh laurel]

@ripe furnace i actually... agree here!

[wispy valley]

If a deer can scream "bruh" while being eaten alive by a Komodo Dragon, we should at least be able to make some sort of noise to our friends when we're dying

[sinful cove]

Did this guy really go on land as a small croc to fight a brawler land animal of the same size just to complain about dying

[wise sparrow]

B-but I'm a deino which is basically rex so I should win every fight with no effort!!!!!@!!!!!@@@@!!!!!!!

[fresh laurel]

Jrrusus NO DEINO IS GODIZLLAER SO IT SHOULD KSKF KILL ALL ON LAND AS FRRSH SPAWN GRRRR!!!!!!!

[sinful cove]

These are two very valid points. I think tenonto's tail should be removed

[fresh laurel]

Just delete teno and give igunadon ggez

That way if you die you can say you died to big dino

[sinful cove]

Tbh, i want iggy so bad i'd accept the sacrifice

[fresh laurel]

Fax

[sinful cove]

They tell us “iguanadon is just maia with thumbs” and then add a smaller iguanadont

[fresh laurel]

Lmao

Make maia new teno ggez everyone happy

[sinful cove]

I wish we could complete the iguanadont trio

[fresh laurel]

Replace acro with iggy

[sinful cove]

We have 2, small and mid, give us the biggun

[fresh laurel]

Acro is nerfed giga

[sinful cove]

Acro looks too fat to run or hunt

How are they gonna make him work

[fresh laurel]

Acro looks like anything it can do giga does better

Acro can kill sauropod with bleed? Cool giga can too

[sinful cove]

Acro looks like itll face the same fate as legacy where it dies if a giga sees it

[fresh laurel]

Lmao

Imagine bad camera returns

[sinful cove]

God it was unbearable

[fresh laurel]

Ikr

[spare badger]

Yes

[slim dragon]

Wasn't Filipe's argument against Iguanodon that it would invalidate Para's existence ?

[mental roost]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geGrOlwXRjw

I had to.. To be fair though, Iguanadon and Para are both very big animals... Would still love to see both of them though(Iguanadon gives heavier brawler vibes due to how its built and weaponry). Para could maybe have a unique dynamic with growth if they put in the super adults(ei elders) but other then that..I don't see it behaving like Iguanadon much at all.. I'd really see Iguanadon as tankier bulkier Teno. Teno being an easier grow with higher speed and tail slam that's more combo focused. While Iguanadon is more like a "fortress" towards small and mid tiers that has strong kicking abilities but specializes in denying attacks to the front.

But that's just a thought.

Teno and Iguanadon offering similar but still distinct gameplay is fine. Teno specializes more in the dumptruck tail it has anyway.

[sinful cove]

which is also a weird point, since para can easily be a flight animal excelling in cc. hadrosaurs in general just scream cc, trample and flight. para leaning most toward cc and flight, maia being the inbetween and shant being the master trampler of the three. none of them are brawlers and they dont overlap with what role iggy could play with his grappling and stabbing, more often choosing to stand his ground rather than run away until it comes to apex predators or groups.

[sinful cove]

yeah what was kissen even talking about there lol. i heard she was the herbivore main dev of the bunch from somebody, but she sure makes a lot of comments that favor carnivores, whoever said she was an herbi fan muste been misled

[mental roost]

I kinda see Iguanadon as a wrestler.. partially because I also want to imagine Randy Savage's voice coming out of it

"YOU'RE GOING NOWHERE!!"~grapples carno and shanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWQUkCx6HZA

[fresh laurel]

Imagine trying to kill a herd of para tho lmao

[mental roost]

Best to go after the not huge ones.

[brittle dirge]

She kinda said that herself iirc lol

[wise sparrow]

I really hope para doesn't get forced into herds just to be viable

[sinful cove]

she's a double agent from the carnivore main side

[sinful cove]

fingers crossed that the devs dont listen to all the weirdos who want herbivores who rely on groups to not get clapped because there's a gross amount of those people in this community

when an animal relies on a grou for survival, it in turn make sit harder to find a group to begin with

and what reason is there to even touch an animal that needs a group, it is objectively worse than every other animal

[wise sparrow]

I'm pretty sure the only thing she has said that benefits herbivores is that magy is faster than allo

"Balance wise? Why would a para even be trying to go toe to toe with a carnivore of that size?"

[alpine plover]

When Para is 4 tons heavier

But allo is clearly a size too much for it

[sinful cove]

and then the running reels for the two came out and that statement turned out to be false unless they nerf allo heavily

her para comment makes it sound like she wants JWE matchups where a raptor soloes a trike

[wise sparrow]

By her logic shant shouldn't be fighting giga

[alpine plover]

Giga is a size too much for it

[wise sparrow]

Or trike shouldn't be fighting rex

[sinful cove]

shant should be running from an acro with her logic

and how fast can they make para run with proper animation? in legacy it matched allo in speed, i doubt they can make it much faster without it looking dumb and allo looked like he got a speed boost

[wise sparrow]

I'm so glad she's not in charge of balance (I think)

S- she's not in charge of balance right?

[alpine plover]

idk man

carnorex made me forever doubtful that they know anything about balance

[sinful cove]

i hope shes just animating lol. breaking teno's neck

i still wish tenonto got a more aggressive court

[wise sparrow]

It's a tad disappointing that carno was the first one to get a normal court animation

[sinful cove]

tenonto males grappling to compete for females works way better than a dance

standing up, locking arms and trying to push the other over

[wise sparrow]

Yea, mating rituals dont HAVE to be a lil dance from the Male.

[sinful cove]

like these arent all birds. dances work best for most theropods but not all of them, and definitely not all the non-theropod dinosaurs

some theropods make sense to brawl for mates, some of them could have dominant females, some animals should bring gifts like rocks and sticks for mates

[wise sparrow]

Like a para brings a particularly shiny rock to a female and she gets the option to accept his gift

[sinful cove]

paras having a noise to impress a mate or bringing gifts would be cute

i hope para is very noise involved

[wise sparrow]

Imagine being a human and getting your shit rocked over a dog tag so the maia could get laid

[sinful cove]

troodon steals your flashlight to impress his girl, you die in darkness

[wise sparrow]

It could be a display of courage. "Hey I went toe to toe with the skinny things with guns just to get this tag. Look how shiny it is"

[sinful cove]

maybe some animals have a way to build a somewhat customizable nest varying with chosen materials to impress a mate

[wise sparrow]

Rexes use the bones of big kills to impress mates

[sinful cove]

"nah i dont want your crusty ass stick nest, larry over there made his nest with feathers and pretty rocks"

[wise sparrow]

Like it would also make sense. A female rex would definitely choose the nest that's made out of an elder trike over the nest that's made out of a sub shant

[sinful cove]

reflects on picking a mate who is either more resourceful or stronger

[wise sparrow]

The rex who made the elder trike nest would be a way better partner to raise a kid with

[sinful cove]

somebody who takes a lot of effort to make a more decorative and insulated nest is more likely to take the effort in protecting it

[wise sparrow]

And imagine exploring as a human, just to come across a particularly skilled rex's nest and seeing something like a hypo Alberto skeleton in there. You'd know that rex would wreck anyone's shit

A rex would never take down a brachi unless the brachi was an idiot

[sinful cove]

But a rex can nab some bones from a dead brachi and claim he did it

[fresh laurel]

there will be those rexes who kill steal and wont even press lmb lol

[fresh laurel]

@versed rune

dont think that will happen because devs reduced utah weight from 500kg to 450kg just to stop it from pinning pachy

though i could see pachy being stunned right after getting pounce since thats alot of force to suddenly jump onto you

[wise sparrow]

While it makes sense for utah to pin pachy, for balance's sake that would never happen. Utah should only pin those rats like dryo thar dont have much of a time investment, or are faster. Pachy would be completely unviable if utah could pin it

[fresh laurel]

i wouldnt go as far to say completely unviable since pachy can stun utahs hard and yet utah is viable

[wise sparrow]

Utah is faster by a huge margin

Imagine getting run down by something with more stamina, more speed, and more agility, just to get right clicked once and pinned with no escape

[sinful cove]

i'd be fine if utah knocks down pachy with its pounce and it has to get up so long as pachy remains as a powerhouse and doesnt also get nerfed. utah is already more than able to escape pachy far easier than the other way around

pachy also has shit bleed pool so one utah pounce can already seal the fight for it

like there are other ways of rebalancing animals like pachy, but imagine it gets the nerfs other people want plus this disaster lmao

[wise sparrow]

Isle players when a herbivore is stronger than a carnivore

[versed rune]

muh herbivore

[wise sparrow]

Muh carnivore

[wise sparrow]

Seriously give me one good reason as to how it's okay for utah, the faster and more nimble animal, to br able to one shot pachy. Other than "pachy cringe"

If utah lands the pounce the pachy is all kinds of fucked

The bleed will kill it in like 3 minutes. It doesn't need to be able to pin the animal that takes an equal or even longer time to grow

Imo the only thing pachy needs to get changed is the way stuns/knockdowns work

They are a death sentence to whatever get hit by them and are just un fun to fight against

The way I see it
Carno: charge needs to be more devastating, needs better standing and walking turn so it can adjust itself, needs WAY slower hunger drain, and needs more stamina.

Utah: pounce needs more interaction than just "utah holds right click and dino holds e" give us advanced bucking pls

Teno and pachy: really just needs stuns to get reworked. Although teno's slam needs a small nerf and kick needs a way to actually be useful.

Stego and deino: fuck them

[dusky surge]

why deino

[wise sparrow]

Personal trauma

[versed rune]

Because if you get hit literally once as utah the fight is over and if you miss a pounce thanks to shitboxes then you’re taking the L and probably dying

also Utahs bite is pathetically weak

My point is pachy shouldn’t be sending a utahraptor headed for the hills by simply taking a step in its direction

[dusky surge]

i'd simply request a nerf to pachy's alt-bite more than anything

[versed rune]

shouldn’t really be sending any carnivore headed for the hills unless there’s like 6 of them but that’s a story for another time

[versed rune]

This

[dusky surge]

too defensively-viable

[wise sparrow]

Pachy's alt has the same problem as deino's old alt

Its WAY to spamable

[dusky surge]

literally, increase the stam drain or some shit. When in a fight with utah, stam really matters, so throwing out stam-draining attacks should be something to evade

[wise sparrow]

Pachy feels to easy to play it really needs for punishment for being an idiot

[versed rune]

Pachy overall is just way too greasy of a class and hard counters literally everything way too well

[dusky surge]

I think alt-bite takes like 3% stam atm, far too low

I'd put it at double that

Or 5%, at least

Also I'd give a small end-lag to the attack

Whiff should feel bad

[wise sparrow]

Pachy counters carno cause of carnos stam and the way stuns work. And its turning while standing and walking.

Pachy counters utah because utah just doesn't do terribly well against similar sized animals, and because of how spamammable its attacks are

[dusky surge]

Generally, I think pachy should rely heavily on landing its shots. It whiffing should always be bad for it

Carno has a special exception where it can be stunned via tap, a feature not shared by other animals its size

That's why it's comboed so easily

[versed rune]

Don’t forget that carno does less than it’s base damage to pachy if it hits it anywhere except it’s body so it often takes carnos 5 hits to dispatch the little rodents

[wise sparrow]

Carno gets punished for missing its charge by losing its precious 3 seconds of stam

Utah gets punished for missing pounce by being stuck in place forever

All of tenos attacks are extremely stam intensive

And pachy has no consequences for missing at all

[wise sparrow]

Honestly with carno's head size, pachys head damage reduction shouldn't trigger

It can fit the damn thing in its mouth

[versed rune]

RIGHT???

[dusky surge]

Well, the ram actually does have a hefty stam cost to missing and a cooldown where you can attack

[versed rune]

Or at least it should count as base damage

[dusky surge]

Alt is busted

[wise sparrow]

Yea I think base damage is a nice middle ground. Its still a 3 shot

[versed rune]

Like yea U got armor on your head but it’s still your head against a giant predator

Pachy shouldn’t really reduce base damage if it’s head gets hit, it should just not take extra damage

I think that’s fair

[wise sparrow]

I'm all for pachy being a small powerhouse. But it's just way to easy to use.

Pachy should be a glass cannon with a relatively high skill ceiling.

[versed rune]

The worst part about the current pachypocalypse is that it’s the lamest dino that has the most broken shit

Like if this was dilo or kentro or cerato or anything else I wouldn’t be as salted about it

But it’s pachy

Totally admitting to personal bias here btw

[dusky surge]

idk, part of me likes the fact that one of the worst fucking animals in legacy is now one of the best in EVRIMA. Kind of poetic justice

[wise sparrow]

God pachy was funny in testing but now its getting a tad ridiculous

The devs were afraid of pachy being shit and they went a bit overboard

[versed rune]

It’s the “I was bullied in school, so I’ll show them” mentality lmao

[spare badger]

Lmao

[dusky surge]

cerato at least once had time in the limelight

pachy has literally almost always been fucking garbo

[versed rune]

Cerato is the foil to pachy

Cerato stayed on the path of virtue and righteousness despite being pushed around

Pachy snapped and became an incel 4channer

[wise sparrow]

Tf is 4chan?

[dusky surge]

how do you not know

[wise sparrow]

Because I dont

[dusky surge]

i'd say look it up but it might be better you didn't

[spare badger]

Isn't it that one weird social media site?
I don't know much about it besides the fact that my friend uses it ironically

[dusky surge]

it is, the gimmick is it's completely unfiltered

[spare badger]

I see

[dusky surge]

so you can just say whatever darn thing you want

or post whatever thing you want

[wise sparrow]

I cant wait to beat the shit out of a carno and make it watch me steal its kill as a cera

[spare badger]

Same

[wise sparrow]

Well less beat the shit and more drain stam so it cant do shit about it

[dusky surge]

yea, cera being a "carno counter" is lame

[versed rune]

Cera vs Carno rivalry is goals

“Carno can’t fight allo lole”

-same people who think pachy is balanced and cera should be a carno counter

[spare badger]

Cera shouldn't be a carno counter
It should just be a playable on a similar caliber

[dusky surge]

Cera should be like the little brother in the relationship. Realistically, it can't beat up carno, BUT, it sure as hell can annoy the fuck out of it till it decides to give up and hand over the toy

[wise sparrow]

If a cera tries to kill a carno it should die unless the carno is an idiot. Cera should simply slow carno down and get some food from its kill then dip into the forest

[versed rune]

It just needs to be resilient as fuck

Because carno naturally has the upper hand being larger, stronger, and faster

[wise sparrow]

Cera should be an absolute asshole that talks shit then runs away crying when anything squares up to it

[versed rune]

Well, situationally stronger

[dusky surge]

Frankly, I want cera to exemplify the phrase "not worth the effort"

Killing cera should straight up not be worth the effort most of the time

[versed rune]

I hope it’s Cerato rex except refined

Cerato rex was so fucking fun while it lasted

Mfer could juggle 8 allos at once

[wise sparrow]

"You can kill me sure, but I assume you it won't be a fun experience for you or anything I can get my jaws on"

Cera's main defense against carno should be agility and forests. If a cera gets caught out in the middle of a plains it should be in trouble

[dusky surge]

I kinda don't. I want cera to be remarkably non-lethal in a fight with animals larger than itself, but be evasive/annoying enough to get away with whatever it finds

[versed rune]

I mean

If it’s non lethal then what’s the deterrent

Cuz isle players don’t feel the pain of their dinosaur when they get hit lol

Players often opt to fight to the death

[wise sparrow]

Honey badgers are a good example. They are fucking assholes that take an ungodly amount of beating and then walk it off and aren't generally lethal but can cause severe damage if you try it

[versed rune]

Also completely off topic but has there been any word on a time frame for this new balance patch

Im drained of the current build and feel physically sick playing it

[wise sparrow]

Cera may be able to drain stam with a grab and thrash.

[wise sparrow]

Once U5 is out iirc

[versed rune]

OK SERIOUSLY

WHY IS BITE AND HOLD NOT A THING YET

the movement system is set up pretty decently for it

[spare badger]

I want cera to be kinda like teno
A pretty bad idea to engage but if you're smart you can make it out alive
(Granted this was old teno and carno is U3 but same deal)

[wise sparrow]

Wdym bite and hold?

[versed rune]

Bite, hold your mouse button, rapid tap A and D to thrash side to side

I think it’d be awesome

[spare badger]

Too complex

And laggy

[wise sparrow]

On smaller animals or larger ones?

[versed rune]

Too complex for this dev team**

If depth could do it then I’m sure the isle could

Just.... no mouse thrashing

Motion sickness

[wise sparrow]

I dont like the idea of a carno grabbing a teno and thrashing unless there is a skill based way to escape the thrash

Its the same reason I hate deino. Its just grab and win

[versed rune]

It’d probably function differently depending on the dino

And which one is being attacked

[spare badger]

I'm pretty sure Kissen mentioned this at some point

[versed rune]

Bite and thrashing?

[spare badger]

Something like that

[wise sparrow]

Its kissen so I'm already worried

[versed rune]

Mentioned what about it? Wanting to add it? Or no plans

And yeah it is kissen sooooooo

[spare badger]

And Kissen said something along the lines of 'too complicated especially with lag and makes carnis too good'
Something like that

[wise sparrow]

Para shouldn't be fighting solo allos

[versed rune]

Average teno fan response

[spare badger]

*carnis not carnos

[versed rune]

Still

I think there’s a way you could balance it

You can balance your way out of anything if you’re good enough

[wise sparrow]

So how would a teno fight against a grab other than button mashing?

[spare badger]

Being able to just grab and do extra damage just seems kinda OP y'know
Seems really difficult to balance

And also much better used as a special ability like ceratos

[wise sparrow]

Cause now we are getting into BoB mosa type shit

[spare badger]

Cause the rip and tear thing is ceratos new gimmick apparently

[versed rune]

Maybe have it need to be charged up?? Like you charge your default bite and there’s a queue so the opponent has reaction time

[versed rune]

Fake news bro cera and carno aren’t allowed to hunt stego according to balance feedback

[spare badger]

Cera also isn't that big lmao they used that as an example

[versed rune]

Tbf I think it did get an irl upscale recently

[spare badger]

They're allowed to hunt stego
Doesn't mean it's gonna work

[spare badger]

Really?

[wise sparrow]

If cera can reliably hunt stego I will be confused as to what drugs the devs took

[spare badger]

Just a tad small eh?

[wise sparrow]

A smart stego player shouldn't be killed by a carno

Now this is assuming the stego player has 3 brain cells

[spare badger]

A dumb one shouldn't either cause of the mountains of health it has access to

[versed rune]

Yeah, pretty sure about a year ago it’s real life size would be about what it is currently in legacy, so a manlet but a stocky manlet

Basically it could potentially ward of an allo or carno irl despite being disadvantaged still

[wise sparrow]

I've seen carno kill stegos recently

[spare badger]

Never seen it personally since U2 or U3

[wise sparrow]

The steg had the reaction time of a grandma with alzheimers and kept letting the carnos get hits on its head

[versed rune]

Stego fans when someone suggests it should take carno 10 well-aimed headshots to kill it

[spare badger]

How would a carno even go about killing a stego anyway? It does very little damage and stego like 2 shots it

[versed rune]

Increase stego headshot multiplier and increase carno damage up to 200-220 again

[spare badger]

The headshot multiplier is already higher than normal
Bite force yea 200 was fine

[versed rune]

And if carno’s new upgraded damage hurts utah too much then buff him to 500KG

[wise sparrow]

A smart stego will never die to a carno. Period. However stego atm attracts a bunch of idiots who pick it cause haha biggest animal

[versed rune]

EXACTLY

THIS IS WHAT I ALWAYS TRY TO SAY

[spare badger]

You'd have to buff pachy too

[spare badger]

Lmao true

[versed rune]

a stego with half a brain will NEVER let a carno get 10 headshots on it

[wise sparrow]

Literally if you have a functioning frontal lobe you will be fine

[versed rune]

No reason stego should be so strong that it’s stats protect the dumbest of the dumb from being hunted by anything

[spare badger]

The animal just isn't designed for the ecosystem
Just give us kentro instead

[versed rune]

No because utah would be able to pin pachy and it also wouldn’t be built like paper. Win-win

[wise sparrow]

Stego needs a blood pool nerf. I've seen those things be afk, get full pounced 4 times. And heal the fucking bleed off and proceed to camp water

[spare badger]

Our biggest land carnivore does jack shit to anything larger than it and stego just counters urah

[spare badger]

The entire point of half pachy's concept art was that it can't be pinned

[versed rune]

Wasn’t it supposed to get some sort of special interaction with Utahs pounce tho

Why not just make them have the same hp and give them that

[spare badger]

Luckily if you get a pounce anyway pachy bleeds out hella fast so Utah v Pachy is just "who hits the special first"

[versed rune]

Raw skill

In a world designed to kill you

[spare badger]

But pounce is glitchy as shi-

[versed rune]

😎

[spare badger]

Nah nah too complex
Make pachy 500.1kg and Utah 500

[wise sparrow]

Stego needs to be vulnerable to utah FOR NOW. Utah relies on attacks to the flank, which stego protects easily. I say nerf stego for now so utah can reliably hunt it, then once stego has its regular predators it can get its utah counters back

Or remove stego for now (the better option)

[spare badger]

Make stego AI

[versed rune]

Me when I slam my kia into a pickup truck (the pickup truck sustained no damage because it weighs slightly more)

[spare badger]

I mean pachy takes damage but it just doesn't fall down
And how else to you balance a fictional dinosaur fighting a real one

[versed rune]

I know I’m just meming

[wise sparrow]

Once an animal actually worthy of Utahraptor's name gets added I think our current utah should get a HEAVY design, size, and all that other stuff, overhaul

[spare badger]

It looks stupid
Only 1 Utah should be able to pounce a pachy at a time

[versed rune]

Shameless JP knockoff bullshit

Also

[spare badger]

Give us real Utah and real Troodon (Steny pls)

[wise sparrow]

Like honestly once we get out fuffy chad utah our utah should be renamed to apolloraptor and weigh like 350 kilos with some design changes. Our utah looks barely over 200 kilos

[spare badger]

True

[versed rune]

Why is utah unable to pin things if the combined Utahs on the animal weigh more than it

[wise sparrow]

Balance

[spare badger]

Balance

[versed rune]

Like if 4 Utahs pounced a teno or carno you’d think it’d go down

[spare badger]

Cause dogpilling on something to slow or pin it ruins balance

Cause there is 0 counterplay

[versed rune]

Like that’s the thing

[spare badger]

COUGH COUGH DEINO COUGH

[versed rune]

I feel like it’s one of those things thatd be badass until it happens to you

[spare badger]

Exactly

[versed rune]

Also real talk

I haven’t been grabbed by a deino and drowned since update 3

And it was a free grow server

[spare badger]

yoo I got this teno I drowned it haha I'm so good

When you're the teno and get 1 shot by a Croc

[versed rune]

I play THAT paranoid

[spare badger]

I've never been grabbed by one

[versed rune]

Keep it that way

[wise sparrow]

I'd love a feathery utah niche to be:

A jungle dwelling small game hunter that uses RPR to pin down its prey. The utah would have to press keys to balance itself and the prey would press stuff to make it harder for the Utah to stay on

[versed rune]

I mean I’ve been grabbed by them on land in combat

But never like. Water ambushed

[spare badger]

That's a waste of stam

[versed rune]

Oh no no no

Not if it’s update 3 and they have a friend

[spare badger]

True

[versed rune]

Sweaty fuckers would hold you in one spot and let their friend chomp u at shallows

Actual aids

Those were the days

Back when stegos were hailed as heroes for fucking up crocs

Well you know what they say

You either die a hero

[spare badger]

Or live long enough to see yourself become a villain

[wise sparrow]

Back when stegos were forces of good fighting back deinorexes

[spare badger]

Back in my day...

[wise sparrow]

Anyway I got to sleep cause I have a dentist appointment tomorrow and I hate those things ;~;

[hexed sorrel]

@versed rune I agree with utah pinning down pachy, but I feel like while on the ground pachy should be able to wrestle out of it, like on ground bucking

[jade obsidian]

@versed rune maybe instead of completely pinning pachy maybe it’ll slow down its movement speed and maybe cause a sort of stumble effect for pachy when pounced? Pachy’s balance could maybe be off and might not be able to ram people while pounced

[hallow spire]

this^

[fresh laurel]

Agreed

2 utahs pouncing is 900 kg and yet pachy can still stand and run at full speed

[hallow spire]

really everything should get a movement speed decrease depending on how many utahs are pounced on it

[fresh laurel]

4 utahs on stego should slow it down imo

[hexed sorrel]

@rigid spade utah is a bleeder, doesnt need a buff on damage. Carno is a real runner? Yes it is, it is also a 1.8 TON creature, I could argue a cheetah is a runner, it can run for like 20 seconds, yes its in the blazing hot savannah but still carno doesn't not need to run longer than it does.

[sinful cove]

Also the balance horror of a carno with good stam down the line

Its already the fastest land animal + a mid/pseudo mid

[chrome valve]

could someone tell for sure how much damage stego's tail deals?

[mental roost]

It was around...1250 at full adult if I remember correctly?? Which is why Stego can sometimes 1 shot full adult carnos with a headshot.

[hollow canyon]

No I don't actually

I don't think 4 Utahs would be able to hold down a Tenontosaurus

and they sure as hell wouldn't be pinning it down to the ground

In such scenarios the larger animal would have to run out of strength to get downed

[hollow canyon]

Stego always oneshots a Carno if it lands a headshot

If it doesn't then that means the game hasn't registered that hit as a headshot.

[mental roost]

Game rolling the dice on whether or not the stego takes all your health or half of it due to desync and lag.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ShamelessInconsequentialAntarcticgiantpetrel-size_restricted.gif

[fresh laurel]

straight facts

game trying to see if stego one shots utah on the tail or if utah lives

[sinful cove]

Quadrupeds would be supporting such weight way better than other theropods too since they have full front and back balance. And thats what tenonto is

[hollow canyon]

Yea I'd say that quadrupeds would have an easier time in such a situation but either way smaller animals jumping onto the larger one like that wouldn't be at all capable of pinning it down

they could maybe get it to fall down

but not pin it down unless the prey just runs out of strength after the struggle

besides Utah is like the last carnivore that needs a buff atm

[dapper frost]

@modest badge juvi pachy is getting a faster sprint animation for the next update whenever that is

[fresh laurel]

i say one month or 2 months tops

[mental roost]

3-4 months, bet.

[modest badge]

epic

[sinful cove]

Imagine making deino need carno specifically for one of its nutrients

Imagine wanting to make diets even more boring by limiting nutrients even further

[dusky surge]

truly is something isn't it

[sinful cove]

Silverfox found an idea that makes diets even worse than they are now though, inpressive

[dusky surge]

ALSO UTAH'S DIET

HE PICKED, OUT OF EVERY PREY ITEM, DEINO

[sinful cove]

Holy shit i didnt even read that far

What is this

[dusky surge]

It actually baffles the mind

[sinful cove]

I am in awe rn

@grim pulsar please explain your thought process here i beg you

[hollow canyon]

Hmmm... I mean I thought it would be hard to make diets an even more garbage system than it is right now, but yea, the community still finds ways to do that

[sinful cove]

This is going in my archives

[dusky surge]

Also one of deino's nutrients is, not deino, but SEA TURTLES

good heavens

It's like he picked the worst possible diet options for each creature

[spare badger]

What is that suggestion

[sinful cove]

I am thoroughly impressed at just how bad this whole list is

[mental roost]

The best suggestion ever made.

[hollow canyon]

It's a suggestion that gets rid off the debuffs for lack of diets while also making it so that you have only ONE animal that gives you nutrients

I haven't even looked at the list

[dusky surge]

The only one that makes slight sense is ptera but ptera is literally basic as fuck

[mental roost]

||Actually the worst.||

[hollow canyon]

idc about it, it's irrelevant

[spare badger]

Dryo isn't even on carnos diet lmao

[dusky surge]

Also removing the debuff is another weird thing

[hollow canyon]

that can always get changed, its the very basic premise of that suggestion that is just hot garbage

[hollow canyon]

rightly so

[dusky surge]

Like actively ignoring the diet not being punished

[spare badger]

Dryo should be at least until we get galli

[sinful cove]

Most animals between dryo and tenonto size should be at least somewhat rewarding for carno

[grim pulsar]

I'm saying, no -20% stuff, so no diets, you have 0 benefit, eat diets you get benefits.

[hollow canyon]

above Dryo

[spare badger]

Thats- why? People should need to interact with the system

[dusky surge]

That seems... Way more boring and tedious than what we have now

[hollow canyon]

I mean, Dryo is pushing it hard, that animal shouldn't be getting killed by Carno unless the player controlling it is having a stroke or trying to kill Carno

[grim pulsar]

simplified sure.

[sinful cove]

That is even more pointless and boring than out current system

[dusky surge]

Diets would literally either be an afterthought or a frustration

Like why

[hollow canyon]

I kind of agree with getting rid off... at least part of that -20%

I think that the debuff making it so that people's scent range of all things goes down is just... baffling

[sinful cove]

Diet should be more vague and spread out, not more specific and less worth bothering with

[hollow canyon]

you start with no nutrients and the game says hello by nerfing down your ability to find food

[hollow canyon]

^

[silent isle]

I think the diet system is fine, not great just fine, meeting 2 requirments def needs a buff

[hollow canyon]

I mean it should be outright reworked but that at least helps it

[spare badger]

Exactly

[grim pulsar]

not sure, but you'd eat what you can find to eat, happen across diet items, good, get benefits for it.

[dusky surge]

Or we just have a wider spectrum of diet options

[hollow canyon]

For starters - growth would be absolutely abysmal with your system

[grim pulsar]

ya as more animals are added we can use other animals for them

[sinful cove]

Explain utah wanting 2 small pve snimals and fucking deino lol

[spare badger]

Why deino

[grim pulsar]

Well deino cuz they are awesome at hunting deion

[dusky surge]

Like if I find a dryo and it still has [organ x], and I eat said organ, I get nutrient.

[spare badger]

Teno and carno would make sense

[dusky surge]

in literally what universe

[spare badger]

Not deino lmao

[sinful cove]

If the deino is having a brain stroke sure

[grim pulsar]

want me to show you?

[hollow canyon]

Deino is the worst animal Utah can pick on in the entire game

[spare badger]

If the deino is afk maybe

But deino can be a beyblade

[grim pulsar]

any deino less than sub adult as full adult utah you can murder it

[sinful cove]

I have more fun with utah vs pachy than the bleed resist gators who just crawl back in their safe space whenever

[spare badger]

It covers it's flanks

[grim pulsar]

you can swimm as well as it too

[hollow canyon]

It has amazing bleed resistance, better bleed healing than any other animal, 360 coverage of itself with an attack that oneshots Utah while also being... in the goddamn water 24/7

it's also difficult to pounce

[hollow canyon]

if it's mentally challenged and decides to take a stroll in-land where you find it miles from any water

[grim pulsar]

other day killed like 7 deinos, 3 were about to sub adult.

then a carno killed me

[spare badger]

Utah should eat: Dryo, Pachy, Teno, carno and Stego, along with AI. Basically all the decent playables are good Utah food tbh

[hollow canyon]

Cool, I've killed Deinos as a Tenonto because they were dumb enough to be crawling on land, that doesn't make Tenonto a Deino-killer

[grim pulsar]

so with current animals though

as others are added, take deino off utah, put it on something else.

[spare badger]

I've killed stegos as a teno doesn't mean anything

[hollow canyon]

you killing some moron who has no idea how to play the game has no effect on how this match up plays when Deino uses at least one brain lobe

[sinful cove]

For the most part utah should eat what ever is has the opportunity to, scaling with pack size

[grim pulsar]

but ya only said deino cuz utah are awesome at hunting the smaller guys

[hollow canyon]

They aren't

I've never died to a Utah as a Deino

[spare badger]

Current animals that Utah would eat: carno, pachy, teno, stego, dryo are all Utah food

It makes sense

Not the fucking crocodile

[grim pulsar]

then you are not very good at utah, no offense. I'll f em up

do it all day long

[hollow canyon]

No, you're just playing against complete halfwits

[grim pulsar]

I won't go for adults, but anything sub or lower

[hollow canyon]

if you die to Utah as a Deino

seriously consider uninstalling the game

[sinful cove]

You mean you fuck up overly cocky small deinos who probably want to die anyway because they picked the most boring current playable

[grim pulsar]

i'll prove it to you

I'll do a video

you'll be like, they all half witts

[hollow canyon]

Of you killing someone that has been lobotomised?

[grim pulsar]

watch as they all run away haha.

[hollow canyon]

Yea, they will be

Why would they run away instead of... just diving under the water?

[grim pulsar]

I'll kill you too sub adult or smaller bud

[grim pulsar]

they dive too

[hollow canyon]

and then you do what exactly?

[sinful cove]

If they’re dying to a utah and it isnt on purpose then halfwit is a compliment to them because they are much worse than that

[grim pulsar]

i swim right at them

[hollow canyon]

cool and then what?

[grim pulsar]

jump onto them

lol you're a noob dude shh

[hollow canyon]

How do you jump onto something that's below the surface of water?

I would be one if I ever died to a Utah as a Deino

[grim pulsar]

just go try it aken

[hollow canyon]

that takes being some next level trash at this game

[grim pulsar]

as utah, go kill deinos

[hollow canyon]

I have killed Deinos as a Utah though

they were all lobotomised

[dusky surge]

a diet option which relies on the opponent not only being dumb but a juvi makes zero sense lmao

[hollow canyon]

if Deino dies to Utahs - it's an absolute moron

[hollow canyon]

^

[grim pulsar]

well maybe you'd be a challenge.

[sinful cove]

Diet option based on one persons playstyle against deino players that were probably afk with their mouse in a fish bowl

[hollow canyon]

No, I wouldn't be

[dusky surge]

boy i sure hope i'm lucky enough to find a DUMB BABY

[hollow canyon]

you wouldn't even touch me

[dusky surge]

literally only dumb deinos die to utahs

[hollow canyon]

This wouldn't be a fight that would take place at all

[grim pulsar]

can't stay under water forever bud

[dusky surge]

cant swim forever either

[hollow canyon]

You can't follow me under that water though

[grim pulsar]

no i'd wait for you to come back up

[hollow canyon]

I can just swim away from you and there's absolutely nothing you can do about that

Yea sure, I will do that, a mile away from you

[grim pulsar]

keep pushing under till you run out of air and eventually kill you.

[spare badger]

[hollow canyon]

No you won't because I swim faster

[grim pulsar]

i'd follow you and the blood trail bud

[hollow canyon]

Deino has the best bleed healing in the game

[spare badger]

You can literally just stay in the water lmao

[hollow canyon]

^

[sinful cove]

Are you talking about killing juv deinos who were idiotic enough to hang out in a small pond separated from the river

[dusky surge]

Deino has literally got bleed resist

Like, deino is the ONLY animal in the game to have that feature

[grim pulsar]

oh they still bleed enough to follow them

[spare badger]

Deino can literally just sit there and do nothing and there is literally nothing a Utah can do lmao

[hollow canyon]

You can follow it

[grim pulsar]

not hard to do on a river

[hollow canyon]

but Deino is regenerating stam in the water

[spare badger]

And
So the deino heals lmao

[hollow canyon]

you are not

[grim pulsar]

ya ya, well prove it and I will challenge you

[dusky surge]

The deino can literally heal the bleed and swim away before it drowns lmao

[spare badger]

It also outswims you
And what happens when you get lunged lmao

[hollow canyon]

He's talking about attacking some fresh spawn

So he isn't getting lunged there

[grim pulsar]

i move

i'll bait you and move and turn and bite the shit out of you

[dusky surge]

I am baffled that people GENUINELY believe deino should be utah prey. Once the deino hits 900kg, it literally beats you every time, so your only options are freshspawns who actively try to die to you

[spare badger]

Or just find another deino

[grim pulsar]

like i said, y ou can sit here ant talk all day, we join up, both babies, i do utah you do deino, then when you are about to sub let me know.

[dusky surge]

God forbid another deino rocks up that's 900kg+

[spare badger]

A deino can just chill

[dusky surge]

You're just fucked then

[spare badger]

In the water
And come up for air
And heal
Nothing you can do

[hollow canyon]

Deino can oneshot a Utah at around 30%

btw

[dusky surge]

Wait hold on

[spare badger]

Forbid another deino shows up.

[hollow canyon]

It's 750kg at around 25%

[grim pulsar]

😅

[dusky surge]

Is this guy seriously saying he kills SUB-deinos as a utah

[spare badger]

You will probably starve to death before you kill it

[dusky surge]

What actual brainlet deinos are you fighting

[hollow canyon]

Nah, almost sub I think

He didn't say that he's killing sub Deinos

[dusky surge]

That's still above 900kg if it's almost sub iirc

[grim pulsar]

no would not go for sub or adult duh

[hollow canyon]

Sub at 50% is 2.1t btw

[spare badger]

Lmao

[hollow canyon]

2t Deino is still a juvie

[dusky surge]

So you're "diet option" is exclusive to small juveniles, epic

[silent isle]

you did say you would hunt sub or lower tho

[grim pulsar]

pack might be able to take adult

[dusky surge]

can't wait to not be able to eat the moment an adult specimen of my PREFERRED PREY is present

[spare badger]

It would make more sense for teno to be able to nibble on deino bones than for Utah to eat one

[grim pulsar]

some would die though

[hollow canyon]

rofl

[dusky surge]

The adult would quite literally need to be blindfolded and missing an arm in order to lose that

Deino has a bite that one-taps utah as an adult

If it LOSES, it literally has to be disabled

[grim pulsar]

ya alt bite is vicious

[spare badger]

I could win deino v Utah by using my nose and only my nose

[dusky surge]

Not even alt-bite

[grim pulsar]

everyone would be too afraid

[dusky surge]

Basic fucking bite damage is 500

[grim pulsar]

one person would go and die, the rest would chirp

[dusky surge]

Alt-bite doesn't even do more damage than basic bite

[silent isle]

What else fits in with the deino in the utahs diet category?

[dusky surge]

I would've put ptera instead

The only animal that can viably kill the damn thing is utah

[hollow canyon]

Utah has Hypsi, Dryo and Deino for that nutrient atm

it's the one nutrient that you will almost never have

[grim pulsar]

mm hypsi... ya

[hollow canyon]

really the only chance of getting it is bumping into a mentally challenged juvie Deino player

[grim pulsar]

should just be ai

[spare badger]

You have to beg a stego to kill a Deino for you in order to get that

[hollow canyon]

which admittedly does happen

I've killed one last I played the game a week ago or so

[dusky surge]

Nah, hypsi is cool as a playable. I'm just waiting for climbing on it

[sinful cove]

Dino Shopping lists should be removed and there should be more vague and liberating tissue preferences instead

[grim pulsar]

be cool if hypsi could crawl onto pt for a free ride

[spare badger]

We have to wait for gore for that

[spare badger]

The ptera would plummet

[sinful cove]

Diets should have waited for gore too

[spare badger]

We'd have to wait 3 years for that update

[sinful cove]

Only 3 years?

[silent isle]

ok then, I don't think the deino should be taken out of it's diet as gettin a baby deino is nice whenever it happens but def not like a main part of its diet nutirent, rarely any hypis and barely any dryos rn, prob will j have to wait for more dinos to come out to make the diet sytem better tbh

[hollow canyon]

What server?

[silent isle]

kind of annoying to kill something as a carni and not get any nutrient out of it, like the godang boar

[hollow canyon]

^ true that

[grim pulsar]

EU1 rn, i'm pt

[spare badger]

Record it, u wanna watch this "deino killing Utah"

[grim pulsar]

you can eat me and i'll go utah

get to adult utah and we'll play

[hollow canyon]

I'm not going to eat you

I'm going fresh spawn Deino

[grim pulsar]

why not, wanna go utah right

[hollow canyon]

I have 0 intention of fighting you

[grim pulsar]

ahh come on

[hollow canyon]

I just know that you can't touch me unless I allow you

[spare badger]

[hollow canyon]

As I said - you have to be mentally challenged to get killed by a Utah

I will just swim away from you

[grim pulsar]

that's what we will find out

[hollow canyon]

and watch you do... idk what it is you want to do

[grim pulsar]

but you won't fight me soooo...

[spare badger]

Just camp him out until you can lunge him

[hollow canyon]

yea? Why would I do that?

Deino is the one that decides whether that fight takes place

[grim pulsar]

shit i'll kill you with my pt

[spare badger]

You say you can kill the deino in the water so do it, go on

[hollow canyon]

any good one will just swim away

wait, you don't even have a Utah?

then why in the world am I even logging in?

[spare badger]

He wants to go freshie v freshie

[hollow canyon]

Go for some server where you have a Utah

[grim pulsar]

were you not reading my messages i'm pt rn

[hollow canyon]

So why are you challenging people?

How do you intend to show me how Utah kills a Deino

if you're not even a Utah?

Is this some joke?

[spare badger]

He did say fresh v fresh lmao

[grim pulsar]

talk about being lobotomized lol. dude... i said eat me i'll grow a utah

[spare badger]

Just crash

[hollow canyon]

And I'm supposed to wait for you to grow a Utah?

[spare badger]

Into a tree or something

[hollow canyon]

I'm not waiting for an hour+ to show you that you have no idea what you're talking about

[grim pulsar]

i don't know what you're supposed to do, but this is boring me

[hollow canyon]

Go tag me when you have a fully grown Utah

[grim pulsar]

where are you i'll come kill you as pt

[hollow canyon]

I know exactly what I'm supposed to do - quit the game, you've gotta be kidding me

[grim pulsar]

are you slow bud?

[hollow canyon]

Why are you bringing Pteranodon into this?

[grim pulsar]

omg wow

[hollow canyon]

You were talking about showing us how you kill Deinos as a Utah

You don't even have a Utah

what are you talking about?

Stop wasting my time

[grim pulsar]

not right now no you finally got it

not wasting your time you said lets go, rn, i don't have utah, rn, so what's your problem?

[silent isle]

https://tenor.com/view/thriller-michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-5577709

[grim pulsar]

can't wait for me to grow a utah?

[hollow canyon]

Yes, I can't wait for you to grow a Utah

[grim pulsar]

cop out

[hollow canyon]

I'm not waiting for an hour to have a match with someone so clueless just to prove how wrong you are

[grim pulsar]

trying to save face, ya lucky you i don't have a full utah, like the f'n matters. i'll grow one

[hollow canyon]

No, it's not lucky me

[grim pulsar]

stfu fr

[sinful cove]

Cant yall just do this on one of those freegrow servers dam just let us see the entertainment

[grim pulsar]

i will let you know when i have one k

then you better have your deino ready to go that instant

[hollow canyon]

I could go on Zoo but I doubt any admins are there

I can't join Taco Island

I will have Deino ready because I don't need it to be grown - I told you already, I'm just not going to fight you and I will swim away

cause there's nothing you can do to stop me from doing that

[sinful cove]

Didnt you hear him man his utah is a master water bender hes gonna slice you up (somehow)

[spare badger]

I think he got bary and Utah confused or something

Even though bary isn't in the game

[grim pulsar]

lol

[hollow canyon]

I thinkknow he has no clue about the game, he's killed a couple of morons that tried to wrestle him as juvie/fresh spawn Deinos and he thinks Utah is good at killing them

[grim pulsar]

really no clue

[spare badger]

Land deinos smh

[hollow canyon]

Yea, you're absolutely clueless, your suggestion was proof enough but

[grim pulsar]

ya ?

keep talkin

you probably have what 100 hours in the game

[hollow canyon]

I kind of wish I had 100 hours in the game

[spare badger]

My artistic rendition of how to win deino v Utah (drawing on a phone is hard lmao)

[sinful cove]

Literally mercs can kill young land deinos in the stress test a utah vs a brainless deino player is nothing

[hollow canyon]

I'm also pretty sure you're the guy who posted that stuff about Carno and Utah trying to use the "irl Carno" using the imperial measurement units

[grim pulsar]

dude I stopped paying attention to your nonsense a while back. Now you're just talking shit like a child.

[hollow canyon]

No, just realising who it is I'm talking to

[grim pulsar]

ya well you can realize what you want, you're wrong and you're a noob

[spare badger]

Wait really? Lemme check hol up

[grim pulsar]

so go to bed little child.

when you waky tomorrow i'll have my utah ready to kick your ass

feel free to hit me up kk, night night

[silent isle]

this is honestly sad to watch

[hollow canyon]

#balance-feedback-discussion message

eyup

[spare badger]

I looked through some of his old suggestions and... Wow

[hollow canyon]

Now, let's not pick on him, there's no point

[spare badger]

Fair fair
Just swim away when you play him

[hollow canyon]

I'm done here

[grim pulsar]

lol children

[spare badger]

Just do this and win

Stay in the water

👍

[grim pulsar]

and drown... but ok

[hollow canyon]

why would you drown?

You can just swim away and resurface a mile away from the Utah?

[spare badger]

Lmao go to the surface for 2 seconds the Utah can't catch you

[silent isle]

stop givin the silverfox guy attention i think hes j trollin

[spare badger]

True true

[hollow canyon]

where that Utah can't see you

[spare badger]

No point really continuing

Au revoir

[hollow canyon]

the only way a Utah is killing a Deino is if that Deino is dumb and got caught on land and let Utah gets hits off and... why would you do that unless you're afk?

I'm not even sure how you want this test to go? Do you expect me to let you land a hit on me before we start so that it's fair or something?

Cause I wouldn't let you do that, I will just go under the water and swim away

there ends the engagement

[grave sand]

if not dry land, hella shallow water,

only way I can see that playing out successful for the Utah

[sinful cove]

If i can escape 2 adult carnos trying to catch me in the shallow river by the border swamp i cant imagine how dumb a deino player has to be to die to a utah in any normal water source

[grim pulsar]

sorry was playing... you're still talking about this... anyway, i'll just make a video show you next time we run into each other or ya we can go 1v1 i don't care.

[hollow canyon]

Yea, if Deino is in the shallow waters it just dies

[hollow canyon]

make a video pls

[spare badger]

Yes
Let us watch these deinos
We can see if they have brains or not

[grim pulsar]

k i should have full utah in a bit and EU should start to have people next few hours or so

[hollow canyon]

in general the way it works is - I've only ever killed Deinos that I caught with the pounce and just killed outright

I've seen some subadult Deinos getting killed by Utahs(Scope I think)

but those Deinos:
A/ didn't know about the alt bite
B/ Didn't know bucking is a thing

in normal circumstances when you're playing against someone that is good at Deino that person isn't going to let you even start that fight

You're saying you will follow the blood trail but what if I'm not bleeding?

[grim pulsar]

It'll just be easier to show you, so either you can play with me as utah and I'll show you. you can play 1v1 and i'll show you, or can make video.

[hollow canyon]

Make the video

[spare badger]

A small deino will swim away
A big one will become a beyblade and tank all your hits cause it has 8k health

[hollow canyon]

I can 1v1 you but you have to make a Utah and keep it on some server, I can't always play at any given time

[spare badger]

Imagine having a life

[grim pulsar]

ya i'm growing one now

eu picks up late, so early this morning probably

[hollow canyon]

Are you from EU or NA?

I'm assuming EU

[grim pulsar]

its like 10:45pm for me

[hollow canyon]

Oof

[grim pulsar]

no na

i usually play NA 1-3 the hop over to EU 1-3

[hollow canyon]

Do you have any Utahs on NA 1-3 atm?

[grim pulsar]

I don't have any rn unfortunately

[hollow canyon]

crap

[grim pulsar]

cept this littel dude

[hollow canyon]

You're on EU1 right?

[grim pulsar]

yep

[hollow canyon]

Let's do it this way - I will log in, I won't attack you, if you can bring down my hp down to... let's say 2/3rd, I will admit that you can kill Deinos

with a Utah

is that ok?

[grim pulsar]

as baby utah?

[hollow canyon]

well

90%

[spare badger]

Baby v baby go

[hollow canyon]

Where are you?

Center? South?

@grim pulsar

[grim pulsar]

sure

why not, but baby baby aint same thing, but i'll try

[hollow canyon]

Center or south, where do I spawn?

or are you in the southeast?

[grim pulsar]

actually at beach eating turtles

[hollow canyon]

oh rip

[grim pulsar]

so sounth would be better

[hollow canyon]

try to make your way to the central river

[grim pulsar]

spawn south

[hollow canyon]

I've already spawned centre, swimming south now

[grim pulsar]

any at deino isle?

go deino isle, i'll meet you there

[hollow canyon]

What is Deino Isle?

[grim pulsar]

central opposite way

[hollow canyon]

you mean the one in the centre?

[grim pulsar]

i saw a couple over there as pt

[hollow canyon]

Aight, omw there, nobody was there last I've checked

yea I haven't seen anyone in that area I think

[grim pulsar]

f'n carno over here

[dusky surge]

i left to go outside and hang out with a dog and you nerds are still arguing over utah v deino even tho its a clear open and shut case lmao

[grim pulsar]

nah we aren't arguing

[dusky surge]

aken gets a free pass because he's rational

[hollow canyon]

tag me when you're by the little island

[hollow canyon]

Nah, let's not go there

we're on the server together now, we will see how it goes

if he can bring me below 90% of health, I will admit that he's right

[spare badger]

They gonna sort it out

[dusky surge]

i just saw him throw out insults lmao

[grim pulsar]

pig almost got me lol

[spare badger]

Aken gonna camp water and silver is gonna attempt to hit him

[hollow canyon]

I don't take insults personally

It's a w/e people get heated

[spare badger]

Do people actually take insults personally, like ever?

[dusky surge]

yea, insults don't effect me, I just thought it was ridiculous. The whole situation was funny to me lmao

[dusky surge]

You would be very surprised

[spare badger]

I wouldve thought elementary school would have beat it out of them

[hollow canyon]

Idk, I personally hear much worse in games like League or DoTA so the stuff here is w/e as far as I'm concerned

[hollow canyon]

please hurry up, I might starve

[spare badger]

People call eachother r****ded and stuff all the time in elementary so people stop taking it personally

[grim pulsar]

might need to respawn, just got jacked by a fucking pig out of the forest

eat hang tight i'll make it

[hollow canyon]

I already ate

would've starved otherwise

please hurry up though, I can get chomped by some of the larger Deinos that hang around here, this isn't a spot I'd ever stay in if I was actually trying to grow a Deino

[grim pulsar]

fak

respawning central

get me a fish

[hollow canyon]

wait, let me see if there are any fish here

but I think I'd have to travel up the river

so do we start or?@grim pulsar

do you need food?

[grim pulsar]

as fresh baby ok ya that's not all that good

need fish man

is that you?

[hollow canyon]

let me look for one

I'm the small one, the big dude said "all good"

[grim pulsar]

teno

[hollow canyon]

let me look for a fish for you

I wont be able to bring a whole big one though, just the scraps

[grim pulsar]

steg

steg

[hollow canyon]

I got you the fish

this test isn't going to be easy to pull off here

[grim pulsar]

wtf

[hollow canyon]

wanna change the servers?

[grim pulsar]

ya teno steg get lost lol

did you die

[hollow canyon]

Yea I did

[grim pulsar]

join as utah

[hollow canyon]

I was out of stamina there

why as Utah? What would be the point of that?

[grim pulsar]

so i can show you

[hollow canyon]

Yea but... how are you showing me that if I'm not Deino?

[dusky surge]

isn't the goal to kill him as deino

[hollow canyon]

^

[grim pulsar]

we go hunt deinos and i'll show you what i do

gotta be adults man

[hollow canyon]

just fyi, I'm from EU

[grim pulsar]

jesus steg is crazy

[hollow canyon]

it's almost morning for me

[dusky surge]

he doesn't want to see you hunt brainlet baby deinos he wants to prove that a competent deino can evade death to utah

[hollow canyon]

I can't go on grow a Utah now

and yea - it's not about killing some moron that will run in a straight line, it's about someone actually trying to survive

[grim pulsar]

either way, need to be full utah, that's what I was saying the entire time, full utahs, are deino killers

he's wanting me to try as a useless baby

[hollow canyon]

I mean I'm a fresh spawn too

and you don't have to kill me

[grim pulsar]

it's not the same, we'd need a baby river

[hollow canyon]

just deal idk 10% of my health

[grim pulsar]

lol

[hollow canyon]

hell I'd even go as far to say that if you could land a hit one me I'd be good with that but yea idk

the point is that I'm not going to let you touch me

[grim pulsar]

the reason a u tah can do it at full is cuz it can swim fast

[hollow canyon]

that's what I'm saying

but how do you see that Deino which is under water?

[grim pulsar]

it can jump far, it does damage, land too, but can do it in water as wel

you chill and wait for the opportunity

jump in get a few bites, sniff follow, hunt it, bug it till it's dead.