#balance-feedback-discussion

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hollow canyon
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It's not that it's impossible to use it atm

versed rune
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the final teno tried to hide in a bush, i knew it would go to dodge. so i ACTED like i was charging to its bush, it ran into the bush to the right, i pivoted last second and rammed it.

dusky surge
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i think my favourite part about charge is ass-riding a brainlet utah, pressing RMB and knocking the fucker down before spambiting it and SOMEHOW winning the engagement

hollow canyon
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most people playing this game are just... bad and completely lack the awareness. The fact that people were dying to AI Carnos so much that the devs had to remove them really says it all

versed rune
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carno is about aiming for where your opponent is GOING, not where it is

dusky surge
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one buff i wish carno charge would get is a hefty stam cost to launch yourself from a standing/crouching position and go past your accel rate to instant charge for actual ambushes

hollow canyon
dusky surge
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I think that would be a great risk/reward system that'd be actually fun

hollow canyon
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The fact that the stamina cost for launching the charge is 0 is a joke too

dusky surge
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like my greatest gripe with the charge is simply the fact that you have to be full speed, which weakens it as an ambush

hollow canyon
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This is an ability, it should have a cost up front

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That's why it's not really an ambushing tool against anyone paying attention, but even having said that - imo Carno isn't meant to be an ambush predator

versed rune
hollow canyon
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it's meant to "stalk the plains"

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or however the devs have put it on the roadmap

versed rune
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the problem is i feel like carno doesnt have the proper damage to be an assassin/ambush hunter currently

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like his damage is alright

hollow canyon
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It has enough to kill the likes of Pachy/Utah

versed rune
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its just not.... shall we say up to my standards TI_WeSmart

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also one thing ive noticed about carno players

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why tf do so many of them not decel while trying to make a turn

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the drift is good for close combat not chasing

dusky surge
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A charge rework I'd like to see is (arbitrary numbers btw)
Stam/sec for charging reduced drastically (i think its like, 4x more stam per second, make that 3x or maybe 2x)
Activation now costs stam (10% stam to activate while sprinting)
Can now be activated while not sprinting (costs 25% stam to do this, instantly accels you to full speed)

Charge becomes far more risk/reward but actually feels fun. Launching yourself at a baby stego before the mother can even react would feel so much more fun if you can do it with barely any warning

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Carno jumpscare predator when

hollow canyon
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Drift is generally just bad imo, there are tricks in this game that allow you to avoid it altogether(although not sure how they work for Carno atm, I haven't played this animal in update 4)

hollow canyon
dusky surge
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pretty sure its 4x

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its stupid high

hollow canyon
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From what I've heard Carno uses up its whole stamina in 20 seconds if it charges

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and it has... 60 seconds of normal runtime?

versed rune
hollow canyon
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It might be untrue with the 20 seconds though, I haven't tested that

versed rune
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otherwise i like that idea

hollow canyon
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Give me a second I need to look up the hp of Stego across its growth

dusky surge
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i think having the game's fastest predator also be a fucking jumpscare for smalls would make carno play far more engaging and carno itself so much scarier for smalls. People would actually take it seriously

hollow canyon
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Stego at 25% of growth is tankier than a Utah

spare badger
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Despite the fact all of its diet foods are much easier to get there

dusky surge
spare badger
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When are they gonna spread those out
They said they are going to

hollow canyon
spare badger
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All over the place

hollow canyon
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I've had a much easier time in the swamp

versed rune
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whenever i grow a teno i always ALWAYS spawn southeast

hollow canyon
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I literally just moved a couple of steps to get whichever one I needed, in the oasis I only found Mountain Ash

versed rune
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then move to oasis when im grown

hollow canyon
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Yea southeast is just much better

versed rune
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cuz yknow oasis is the only place to interact with players

hollow canyon
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Same, I just go to oasis to do some deathmatch after growing to full adult

versed rune
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cuz bad map design

spare badger
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Also the world border lags my game to shit

dusky surge
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let me out of oasis let me out please god let me out

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oasis is like a fucking prison man, except we built it ourselves

spare badger
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Yes

hollow canyon
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it's one of the few interesting areas on the map

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and it's also a matter of spawn points being really bad

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the oasis is surrounded by them

versed rune
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the map died when shallows died

hollow canyon
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it's not really the fault of the players

dusky surge
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the most fun i ever had playing carno was running through a forest and getting lost, finding a grove of AI, fighting some deinos over a rabbit, swimming over rivers, so on

spare badger
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Honestly prefered the map before U3

dusky surge
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it was a great little adventure

spare badger
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U2 map was less pretty but better for player spread

hollow canyon
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the game was so much better on the old Spiro

versed rune
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the game was so much better before spiro existed

spare badger
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Yea
You could actually go anywhere in the map

hollow canyon
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Idk about it being less pretty

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I was fine with how it looked tbh

dusky surge
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i think new spiro is so much nicer to look at

versed rune
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current lighting is also pretty bad

hollow canyon
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There are some neat things to look at on the new Spiro

versed rune
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shadows way too dark, feels like you gotta squint constantly

dusky surge
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i actually really like the current lighting

hollow canyon
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I think I initially thought it looked prettier

versed rune
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new lighting is good at midday

hollow canyon
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but I think I may have changed my mind over time simply because I dislike this map so much

versed rune
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but again the shadows are black holes

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spiro is easily the shittiest map in the isle's history

spare badger
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I saw an old video about why U2 map was better for player spread

hollow canyon
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that the things I viewed as pretty now just seem ugly because I perceive them as ruining the game

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e.g. canyon which I thought looked cool

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now I can't look at it

dusky surge
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i think current canyon is utterly amazing honestly

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it looks so fucking sick

hollow canyon
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I'd drop a nuclear warhead on it if I could

versed rune
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we need a map like v2. in the sense that it guides players to certain areas and the map is split into sectors via the natural terrain

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instead of "heres a giant forest, good luck lol"

dawn dew
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Original Region 2 was best gameplay map and I stand by that

hollow canyon
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To be fair - the forest was bad on the old Spiro too

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it's just that it wasn't that... widespread and annoying

versed rune
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old spiro was worse than current one

dusky surge
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honestly, exploring forests makes me wonder why people hate them so much. I don't feel it's that hard to move around in, it's just easier to get lost in. I like the jungles and forests and it makes me sad there's nothing that lives there

versed rune
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at least on current spiro you can navigte

hollow canyon
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I disagree, I think the old spiro was much better

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I don't get lost in forests, idk about getting lost in this game in general

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it's just that the foliage is way too dense in the woods

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they become a non-playable area of the map

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the fact that in the southern part of the map there are goddamn cliffs, mountains and what not in those woods

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which are placed in such a... uncaring way

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doesn't help one bit either

versed rune
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idk why they think dense forests are a good idea

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like we're giant dinosaurs. we need space

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we like to see our surroundings

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im not advocating for the nuking of all forests but. they're a bit much rn and there has to be a healthy balance

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maybe reduce the amount of trees in forests significantly, BUT just make there be fog everywhere

spare badger
versed rune
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so its still hard to see but in an engaging way

hollow canyon
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Honestly I don't think it's about the trees

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it's about literally everything else

dawn dew
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Feels like jungles aren’t actually designed to play in

hollow canyon
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^ Eyup

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that's the thing - they are not designed as playable areas

dawn dew
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Like the terrain is so wacky and randomized it’s just not very fun

hollow canyon
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they feel like they are this part of the map that says "don't spend time here, go away, this isn't where you're meant to be"

versed rune
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precisely

spare badger
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I think that's intentional
Because of our bad roster they want everything in the plains for the moment

versed rune
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in hindsight it really is clear that region 2 was the best map

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you could find players quite literally anywhere

dawn dew
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Region 2 filtered players well

versed rune
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mind you, the REMAKE of region 2 was the best

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the original was the blueprint

dawn dew
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There was actual game trails

versed rune
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EXACTLY

dawn dew
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I preferred original cause my twin lakes

versed rune
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but they werent like obvious "this is a game trail" thing

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the game trails were carved by mountains

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if you saw a herd of herbies as a carnie, there were several routes you could take to cut them off and set a trap

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you just had to predict where theyd go next

versed rune
spare badger
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That sounds cool

versed rune
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dino did you never play on region2?

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idk how long youve been around lol

spare badger
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Haven't had a PC long enough
Got one when Evrima came out

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I've been following the community for a long time though

versed rune
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oh dude let me tell you it was amazing

dawn dew
versed rune
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dinosaur stats were fucked

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as in most dinosaurs would one shot each other with bleed

dawn dew
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Herrera could kill pue

versed rune
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im talking about stats on v2 remake

spare badger
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Lmao wth

dusky surge
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here i am just wanting to see what the fuck jace is doing, because his level design thusfar has been amazing, too bad one of his creations took the spotlight, even though it's arguably the least interesting

versed rune
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but yea they were busted then too

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back on v2 remake carno did 25 base bleed

spare badger
dusky surge
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man idk

versed rune
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if you bit another carno LITERALLY TWICE it would bleed out guaranteed

dusky surge
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you know how much i think about ARK? Literally never

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I refuse to think about it

dawn dew
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Blessed era

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versed rune
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lake pue

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speaking of

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why tf they scrapping pue

dusky surge
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Honestly ARK just fills me with rage every time I look at it so if Jace is from ARK good for him but I refuse to factcheck that

dawn dew
versed rune
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this game literally gave pue its notoriety. why scrap a dino thats essentially yours

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thats like if disney scrapped donald duck

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he's not your mascot but everyone associates him with you

spare badger
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Why did they scrap pue

dawn dew
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I think Dondi just hated pue

versed rune
dusky surge
versed rune
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which everyone loves brachi to be fair, but come on

dusky surge
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i guess they wanted brachi and bronto, looked at pue and went "well, sacrifices have to be made"

versed rune
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ok but heres an idea

dawn dew
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Only other reasons I could think of is pue size vs brachi

versed rune
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why not all 3

dawn dew
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Pue as brachi skin at least

versed rune
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like i get the redundancy argument

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but i think the magic number is 3 for similar playstyle animals

dusky surge
versed rune
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think spino/sucho/bary

dawn dew
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I think it is worth noting pue is way bigger than brachi

dusky surge
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pue is goliath iirc

dawn dew
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So that might be why

versed rune
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almost everyone agrees that spino sucho and bary should all be playable even though their basic function is similar

dawn dew
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Wanted a somewhat not invincible giant sauropod ig

dusky surge
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bary fast
sucho brawl
spino brawl HARDER

i think bary is pretty unlike the other two, but sucho and spino are very alike

dawn dew
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Plus camara is somewhere in that mess too

versed rune
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bary's new design tho 🤮

dawn dew
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Idk I kinda like it

versed rune
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it's so..... disproportionate

dawn dew
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I just like funny claws

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Kinda miss the osteoderms old bary had

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versed rune
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"heavy claw" TI_Squint

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mf looks like hes about to tickle your belly button without consent

dawn dew
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That’s what bothered me with old bary

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No big thumb claw

versed rune
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i was referring to new bary

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it says more of a "my nails are ingrown" rather than "im going to shank you with the impact of a thousand supernovas"

dawn dew
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Only thing I worry is them being too brittle

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Like they’re very long and thin

versed rune
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the isle dont ignore the superior designs of one of your own devs 5 seconds challenge (impossible)

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dawn dew
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Almost perfect design there

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They always forget the heavy claw TI_Succ

versed rune
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let's not forget fred's spino that was also ignored

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(predicted the tail fin mind you)

dawn dew
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Blessed

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Literally any monster spino that isn’t blatantly copy pasting jp3 spino is cool in my book

dusky surge
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just give it a fucking sail

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my fave spino iteration from the Isle is somehow hypo-spino

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because it looks scary while still having iconic spino features that make it look like a spino and not a walking billboard or whatever EVRIMA spino is

dawn dew
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Hyper spino is one of the best looking hypers

spare badger
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It actually looks like a spino
Excluding the separating jaw and body armour

versed rune
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OG hypo rex will always be my #1 hyper

dawn dew
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Idec about realism for spino just gimme something original

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alpine plover
spare badger
dawn dew
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Rodrigo Vega hyper concept is my favorite

versed rune
alpine plover
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good spino

spare badger
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Why is it that the spinosaurids have good Fred designs but they went with much shittier ones

versed rune
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because the isle

alpine plover
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cause uhhh

dawn dew
alpine plover
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hey look over there its the diet system

versed rune
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DIET SYSTEM???? CANNIBALISM IS BAD NOW?!?!??! AWOOGA!!!!!

spare badger
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'Heavy claw' with a toothpick taped to its finger

versed rune
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notice how the midwit coomers accused you of KOS in legacy, but no one does that in evrima. now you're just a "canni"

dawn dew
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A lot the recent dinos with good designs look like they’re gonna be trash in game

alpine plover
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woah i can't believe this abelisaur likes to consume its own kind

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scam game

dawn dew
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It doesn’t even matter if I’m hungry

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I always kill my own

versed rune
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ngl i love carno cannibalism

alpine plover
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i think most carnivores should be able to cannibalize

versed rune
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as a longtime carno player ive always been on the solo hunger sigma grindset

dawn dew
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Carno cannibalism is fun because juvis walk up to you and get shocked when you eat them while

versed rune
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"fuck you canibale"

dawn dew
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Only reason I dislike actual cannibalism for most carnivores is it makes them too self sustaining

alpine plover
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wow i will go up to this strange 2 ton predator it will not eat me

dawn dew
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One Utah in a pack dies, feeds two more

dusky surge
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Honestly, I always found the "doesn't matter if I'm hungry, I always kill my own" shit just as cringe as the "RDM RDM KOS KOS ADMIN DEVS REMOVE FIX HELP PLEASE" shit lmao

versed rune
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tbh

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i unironically hate utah cannibalism

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cuz the whole fun of utah is pack hunting

alpine plover
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it was cringe when everyone started to over use the phrase and ruined it

dusky surge
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yea, pack hunter cannibalism lame

versed rune
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notice that im not against KILLING utahs as a utah

dawn dew
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Cannibalism debuffs in a way make it harder to survive and counters overpopulation

versed rune
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but

dusky surge
versed rune
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its nice to be able to meet other utahs and trust them most of the time.

alpine plover
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i sometimes kill utahs as utah, if theyre annoying

versed rune
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cuz pack hunting fun

dawn dew
versed rune
spare badger
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Large pack hunters prob shouldn't be cannibals

alpine plover
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Xx_DarkWolfKiller_xX

dusky surge
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carno hunting carno makes sense atm because
A: Carno is the carnivore land apex atm
B: Literally nothing can catch carno but carno, so might as well make it eat itself

versed rune
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thats actually a good point

dawn dew
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Also carno is basically a diet hyper with how it eats

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So letting it just vacuum it’s own species works surprisingly well for population control

versed rune
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carno is kinda predator free. even when there are other carnivores that rival it carno doesnt really have to worry TOO much if it pays attention

alpine plover
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cant even get your third nutriton

dusky surge
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Also carno is far more solitary than utahs, with a 3 member pack size

versed rune
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i hate hunting in large carno packs unless we're joining forces against a megaherd

alpine plover
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yeah, but they always gang up in groups of 10-15 still

versed rune
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solo/duo carno is my style

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more than 2 carnos always felt overwhelming to me

alpine plover
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carno feels awful when its in a group of 3 or more

versed rune
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RIGHT????

alpine plover
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its made to be a solitary brute

versed rune
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like since its a mid tier it shouldnt be limited to 2

dusky surge
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Although I hate people who do that "oh we can be friends" then immediately kill you shit. Unless you clearly express you want nothing to do with the little fucker who keeps 2 calling you, using their nametag to track them as your primary method to hunt is just really boring

versed rune
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but i think its nice right at 3 members max

alpine plover
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3 makes sense sorta

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although the tenonto group limit

dawn dew
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I hate playing with randoms so I usually go solo

alpine plover
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jesus

versed rune
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what is tenos group limit

dusky surge
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I always use the tracking systems of the game to hunt shit, if I want another carno dead, I'm not mindgaming them

dawn dew
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Isn’t teno like 7

dusky surge
alpine plover
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i usually go solo stego and kill other stegos

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and herbivores

versed rune
alpine plover
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its kinda fun

versed rune
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bro

alpine plover
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they walk up and 2 call

dawn dew
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Most fun thing to do rn is ambush as pachy or carno because most players are too unaware

alpine plover
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they make it easy

versed rune
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i was in a GIANT utah pack earlier. legit about 15 of us. hunted a stego, eventually it gave up

dusky surge
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stegos killing stegos is fine in my book until they get something to beat them to death that's a carnivore

versed rune
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i was a juvi, the fight was at oasis.

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i died in the fight, spawned south and came back

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by the time i got back the stego was STILL STANDING

alpine plover
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what

dawn dew
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It’s funny how effective it is to ambush from the same bush at oasis every five minutes

versed rune
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even though it had GIVEN UP

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THE UTAHS WERE POUNCING IT CONSTANTLY AND BITING ITS HEAD

alpine plover
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stego is a literal building

versed rune
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AND IT STILL STOOD TALL

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the fucker is literally unkillable

alpine plover
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it cant die unless it wants to

spare badger
alpine plover
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even the 9 ton alligator shits itself when it sees this fatass galloping towards it

dawn dew
alpine plover
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me

spare badger
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Stegos when 10000 Utah's are trying to eat it:

versed rune
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an ALREADY DAMAGED STEGO did not die to A LITERAL 15 UTAHS in the time it took for me to go from SOUTH BACK TO OASIS

INCREDIBLY FAIR AND BALANCED

alpine plover
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🙂

dusky surge
alpine plover
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NOOOOOOOOOO

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time to get cancelled

dawn dew
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A few times in grow servers I’ve tried with other people to just run the gauntlet as stego

versed rune
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man i just want other mid tier carnivores

alpine plover
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cerato and allo ^

dawn dew
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Utahs keep respawning and attacking you and just see how many you kill

versed rune
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cera, allo, and bary too dont forget

alpine plover
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bary is cool

versed rune
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i would say alberto

alpine plover
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ehhh maybe

versed rune
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but i have the feeling alberto will be OP af unless CAREFULLY balanced

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because alberto is a rex/carno hybrid and therefore inherently OP

dawn dew
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I feel like albertos either gonna be a 3 ton ceratorex or like, subrex clone

alpine plover
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i would prefer the sub rex clone

versed rune
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sub rex is cringe tho

alpine plover
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ceratorex makes me feel physical pain

versed rune
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but ceratorex doesnt fit alberto

dawn dew
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Impossible to tell what it’s gonna be right now because there’s like two extreme sides of the spectrum for what people want

dusky surge
versed rune
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but then isnt it just slower, stronger carno?

spare badger
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Give us cerato and sucho and replace stego with kentro

alpine plover
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abush bleeder allo that pins animals smaller than it to the ground and starts mauling them to death 🙂

dawn dew
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On one hand people want “accurate alberto” that’s like a chaser endurance hunter thingy with good bite

On the other hand people want Alberto concept style bulky brawler 3 ton menace

spare badger
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Game balanced

dawn dew
versed rune
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first option better

dawn dew
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First option better but I’d like something different/in between

dusky surge
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some people want 750N bite alberto exclusively for the purpose of killing stegos

alpine plover
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what

versed rune
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what the fuck

dawn dew
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I lost faith in irl Alberto the day I saw that model

versed rune
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i mean to be honest

alpine plover
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legacy alberto model was basic, but it was good to the eye

dawn dew
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Legacy Alberto model>

dusky surge
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i wish i was joking but he originally wanted a 3176N bite force alberto so I feel 750N was a better compromise

alpine plover
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just looked really clean

versed rune
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i say double everything's hp in the entire game currently. because if we do that we have a wider range of damage values to work with. that way all the mid tier carnivores dont have to be squeezed into the 150 to 400 bite damage range

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just adjust damage accordingly to make the hp increases not matter in combat

dawn dew
versed rune
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just a bigger number

alpine plover
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what did they do to albert

versed rune
alpine plover
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not as bad as acro though

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can't stand the acro one

versed rune
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ok to be fair i like the acro

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it grew on me over time

dawn dew
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Acro being fat is cool, acro having a giant head bothers me

alpine plover
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it would be better if the proportions were fixed

versed rune
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fair

dawn dew
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Acro from the angled view looks okay, side view is cursed

versed rune
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it looks better at the 3/4ths angle

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yea what shark said

alpine plover
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wonder what theyll do with acro to not make it big allo or small giga

versed rune
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unironically would not mind sprinter acro again

alpine plover
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terrifying

versed rune
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but just because i like it doesnt make it a good idea

dawn dew
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Juggernaut style acro would be cool

alpine plover
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football player acro

versed rune
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FOOTBALL PLAYER NICHE

alpine plover
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that shoulder bashes small little shits into the dirt

dawn dew
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Like it just takes ages to get to full speed but once it gets going it doesn’t stop

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Shoulder bash

dusky surge
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with sprinter acro, the main weakness i can think of is fucking dogwater stamina

versed rune
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ACRO'S INTO THE 20, 10, 5, TOUCHDOWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

dawn dew
alpine plover
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yes please

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giga with bad stam?

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uhhh no thanks

dawn dew
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I really just want fatcro to slam into a rex lol

dusky surge
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can they make giga faster than rex this time because that pissed me off

versed rune
dusky surge
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giga is literally faster than rex why is it so slow in the isle

dawn dew
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A lot of people want sprint burst giga

alpine plover
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give acro a football

dawn dew
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Make acros head a football

alpine plover
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throw it at other dinosaurs

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kill them instantly

versed rune
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what if we make acro's thing to ambush the fuck out of apexes like rex and giga and try to dispatch them, since it cant exactly stand up to them 1v1

spare badger
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Giga should be more endurance focused

versed rune
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so acro's like an apex assassinator, except if he messes up his ambush then well rip

spare badger
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Acro should be ambush giga

dawn dew
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When it comes to how acro handles apexes I can’t decide

alpine plover
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acro should be able to fuck up a solo apex, not downright kill it but if they mess up they get punished for it

dusky surge
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acro being an apex assassin would be hilarious

alpine plover
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i think acro should be a major punisher

versed rune
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also

dawn dew
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I kinda wanted it to just slam into them and drain their stam, like a special tackle that knocks the wind out of things

alpine plover
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that feeds off of your mistakes in battle

versed rune
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bring back acro's original F call

dawn dew
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Slam into a rex, knock out its stamina, get away

hollow canyon
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All the apexes should be endurance focused in that they trot much faster than most of the rest of the roster. If you run around them as something small and waste half your stamina they just trot you down and that's it.

dawn dew
#

Acro being a tank hunter is kinda cool

alpine plover
versed rune
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old acro F call went so hard

dawn dew
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Like it has the absolute bulk of a tyrannosaur while also having the carchar bleeder teeth

dusky surge
dawn dew
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Pull some BS and make it a hefty brawler juggernaut thing

alpine plover
#

please

spare badger
hollow canyon
versed rune
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Acro vs Sucho rivalry when

alpine plover
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acro would win

hollow canyon
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That thing trots so fast it could trot down the legacy Giga

dawn dew
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All of acros calls go hard

versed rune
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ok but hear me out

spare badger
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Sucho should get upsized.

hollow canyon
dawn dew
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Pain train

versed rune
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sucho is wayyyyyy to small in TI compared to irl

alpine plover
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only thing a sucho would be able to do is swim away, unless the sucho has a football

dawn dew
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Obligatory nova size chart in 3...

dusky surge
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make my sucho grow

hollow canyon
alpine plover
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sucho may win if it has a football

hollow canyon
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It's barely larger than Alberto

dawn dew
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Sucho wins if you give it a gun

versed rune
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sucho was potentially bigger than acro too if the rumors about the new expedition in niger are true

spare badger
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Not only cause otherwise it gets bodied

But because there is a high chance sucho was actually a good bit bigger because of new undescribed fossils

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And sucho is cool

dawn dew
#

Last I checked the succ max size is like 3-5 tons ish?

hollow canyon
versed rune
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a lot of our info on sucho is outdated

hollow canyon
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iirc

alpine plover
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yeah, not incredibly large

spare badger
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Rumor is sucho is bigger than rex but the fossils haven't been described

hollow canyon
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It's not outdated at all, there are new skeletals and gdis for it

dawn dew
#

Cristatosaurus trollpleased

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Or whatever it’s called

alpine plover
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now i have a feeling allo will murder sucho

spare badger
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Cause of the new Niger expedition

spare badger
hollow canyon
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Btw that estimate for it is actually relying on Cristatusaurus being synonymous with Suchomimus

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Suchomimus itself is even smaller than that

alpine plover
dawn dew
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I kinda want sucho to be kinda filling the giant gap between acro and allo/albert

alpine plover
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sucho should win but, will it?

dawn dew
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Legacy had that problem especially where the gap between mid tiers and apexes was huge

versed rune
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acro is only a little bit larger. for the purposes of the game i say upsize sucho and make it and acro rivals. because sucho couldve gotten bigger ANYWAY. cuz you know, spinosaurids.

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hollow canyon
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I'd upsize Sucho to slightly over 4t

dawn dew
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Damn that’s a big succo

hollow canyon
versed rune
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every carnivore should have at least one direct competitor that it has an even matchup with

spare badger
hollow canyon
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And that Sucho is 3.4t in weight btw

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That Acro meanwhile is 5.7t

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Acro literally dwarfs it

alpine plover
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acro v stego

dawn dew
versed rune
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again its called imagination and fitting things into niches. why make sucho a mid tier?? that makes 6 mid tier carnivores

hollow canyon
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Because that's what Sucho is

versed rune
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5 is plenty

spare badger
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Sucho should be >4 tons so sucho can't get lunged

dusky surge
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sucho large tier pls

spare badger
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4-5 ton sucho is good

hollow canyon
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There's a better basis to make Allo a pseudoapex than there is to make Sucho

alpine plover
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i would probably make sucho around acros weight, bit lighter

dawn dew
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I’d kinda like sucho to dog on allo/Alberto but not mess with acro

versed rune
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sucho is bigger than alberto, the biggest mid tier. so just make it pseudo apex like acro

hollow canyon
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Sucho is the biggest mid tier

versed rune
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we cant have acro as literally the only pseudo apex

dawn dew
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Tiers are wack

dusky surge
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i dont think sucho is even a mid-tier

spare badger
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4-5 tons Fits it's playstyle, the roster, and possible max size

dawn dew
#

Add torvo 🙂👍

dusky surge
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it goes beyond that

versed rune
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sucho is absolutely NOT a mid tier

alpine plover
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torvo v acro

dawn dew
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Everybody loves torvo, torvos the best

spare badger
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Sucho dunks on all mid tiers

versed rune
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torvo/acro/sucho as pseudo apexes

hollow canyon
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it's some 200-300kg heavier than Alberto

versed rune
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there, we got a trio mirroring the apex trio

hollow canyon
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Acro is over 2t larger

spare badger
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In the size chart sucho was listed at 4.2 tons

hollow canyon
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Torvo isn't even on the roster

versed rune
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torvo=rex, acro=giga, sucho=spino

dawn dew
versed rune
alpine plover
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add torvo remove homalo

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or magy

dawn dew
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Add iggy*

spare badger
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Roster is bloated as it is

alpine plover
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remove mono

versed rune
hollow canyon
alpine plover
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i HAVE to play as permanent juvie pachy

dawn dew
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Personally I would have sucho considerably larger than allo or Alberto to where it just pummels them if they try

hollow canyon
# versed rune then add it

I'd love to but the devs said they won't be adding any additional dinosaurs to the roster for a long time

dawn dew
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But I think it should be lower in power than acro

versed rune
spare badger
dusky surge
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don't remove tiny animals i must play them all

hollow canyon
alpine plover
versed rune
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ok so pseudo apex

hollow canyon
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I don't think that would make it a pseudoapex

dawn dew
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So like you have the power stepping stone of allo/alberto>sucho>acro> true apexes

hollow canyon
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It's still further from Acro than from Alberto even then

versed rune
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but again you literally may as well make it a pseudo apex. because itll overpower all the other mid tiers

hollow canyon
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it would have some 1t on Alberto meanwhile Acro's still 1.5t larger than it

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pseudoapex doesn't mean anything

versed rune
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you cant leave it in this arbitrary spot of "pseudo pseudo apex"

hollow canyon
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most of those tiers mean nothing

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you can classify Alberto as a pseudoapex too

dawn dew
spare badger
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Tiers are just ways for us to group approximate size ranges
They don't matter much

hollow canyon
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^
it doesn't change the fact that it's 3.2t, where you draw the line is entirely up to you

dawn dew
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I want sucho just the ultimate “I just wanna grill” playstyle

spare badger
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Sucho v Acro sucho shouldn't get stomped and should be able to escape with superior wading and swimming

dawn dew
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Rex and giga fighting nearby? Don’t care, chilling in my swamp

hollow canyon
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Sucho vs Acro - Sucho should absolutely get stomped

spare badger
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But Acro wins 65/35 or more

versed rune
hollow canyon
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Sucho has no business going after an Acro

versed rune
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again

dawn dew
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On one hand I generally like to have as many even fights as possible

hollow canyon
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Acro is a far larger and far better armed animal that's actually designed around killing big stuff

versed rune
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upsize it

hollow canyon
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Sucho is a fisher that bullies things larger than itself

versed rune
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otherwise acro is all alone in between mid tiers and apexes

hollow canyon
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That's the upsized Sucho

hollow canyon
spare badger
hollow canyon
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There's a decent chance it will simply be the fourth apex

dawn dew
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Like when possible I choose fights to be skill based rather than chosen off class when similar power range

At the same time I don’t want a huge gap between allo/Alberto and sucho/acro to where nothing messes with above mid tier

versed rune
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that's.... no acro is not an apex

hollow canyon
hollow canyon
spare badger
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Downsize Acro TI_Troll

hollow canyon
#

it's definitely far more of an apex than Sucho is a pseudoapex

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or should I say the fifth apex

alpine plover
hollow canyon
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since we're technically getting that Carcharodontosaurus at some point

dawn dew
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Sucho and acro are kinda just in a weird limbo rn

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But they’re important

hollow canyon
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And even besides all that: Sucho was on the old roadmap

spare badger
hollow canyon
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it was literally called a "medium carnivore"

dawn dew
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They’re the only carnivores between 3 ton Alberto and like 8 ton giga lol

spare badger
hollow canyon
hollow canyon
versed rune
hollow canyon
spare badger
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I'd either downsize or remove Acro cause it's too similar to giga

hollow canyon
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not that they're wrong there, Sucho simply isn't that big

spare badger
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Or remove Giga

hollow canyon
spare badger
hollow canyon
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Acro would get a small upsize and it would just be a skin for Giga

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same with Carcha

spare badger
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I'd be fine with that

dawn dew
#

Alright here me out with carch

hollow canyon
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I genuinely don't see a reason to make all three separate playables

dawn dew
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🙂🙂

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hollow canyon
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I mean that looks... cool I guess?

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a weird mix of Concavenator and Carchardontosaurus

dawn dew
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Just bullshit the conca hump esque thing and make it a giga skin because shark tooth something

spare badger
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Tbh I would prefer Acro over giga

dawn dew
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Acro was here first

hollow canyon
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Naaah, Giga>>>Acro

spare badger
hollow canyon
spare badger
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I can't remember the name
There is a website

hollow canyon
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Matter of fact do you have some link with info about it?

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Yea give me that

spare badger
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Lemme try and find it

hollow canyon
#

I don't want to seem like a complete pessimist but knowing how it works in paleontology... it might be out after the game is done

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and I'm hardly an optimist when it comes to thinking about when this game will actually be complete

dawn dew
hollow canyon
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and if it's Sereno then just rip because it probably won't be published in our lifetimes likely getting stuck in his basements just like all the other Sucho specimens

hollow canyon
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Sucho doesn't have to be equal to Alberto and Allo

dawn dew
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Ye I try to use tiers loosely

hollow canyon
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and Acro doesn't have to be equal to Acro

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It just goes increasingly Carno<Allo=Alberto<Sucho<Acro

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Also - funny facts: there's more evidence of Allo being large enough to be in that "pseudoapex" category than there is of Sucho being at that size.

spare badger
hollow canyon
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Alright, let me check it out

dawn dew
#

I really just like the idea of sucho being built around absolutely bullying smaller animals and otherwise just vibing in its water spot eating fish, small crocs, minmis, etc

spare badger
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Yea

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Sucho is the ultimate brawler

dawn dew
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Just a really chilled out playable that can still bitch slap an allo and take on 2-3 of em

spare badger
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sucho should have the fasted wade in the game

hollow canyon
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It's an animal that just eats fish whenever stuff is dangerous on land

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or when there's no food available

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but then it's main entertainment is just going on land to take the lunch money from the smaller carnivores

dawn dew
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Very little wading penalty if any

hollow canyon
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it handles packs of smalls easily, you're a Utah pack? If a Sucho rolls into your neighbourhood you'd better start packing up

dawn dew
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If anything smaller gets caught lacking in its swamp it’s curtains

hollow canyon
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An Allo has made some kill? It'd better be on its way out

spare badger
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near a river and smaller than 4 tons? you're done

hollow canyon
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Sucho doesn't hunt much itself, it just stands on top of other people's stuff and says "mine!"

dusky surge
spare badger
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its the bullies little brother

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if the bigger bullies come it can peacefully wade away

hollow canyon
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Yea, if an Acro, Giga, Rex or its cousin shows up, Sucho just gets back to water

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where it's more mobile having no wading penalty

spare badger
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#GiveSuchoBestWade

hollow canyon
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well I'd be careful with the use of the word "best"

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There are other animals in that habitat

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Bary needs some love too

spare badger
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bary would be much more land oriented

hollow canyon
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Tenonto could get murdered by a Sucho in the shallows too presumably(although I think it has the no-wade-penalty already)

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That doesn't mean it should wade slower than Sucho

spare badger
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true

hollow canyon
#

In general being more or less "land oriented" means nothing to me unless you explain how exactly that works. E.g. Sucho is better in the water because it wades faster

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but I don't see Bary being more land oriented actually saying anything meaningful in terms of how it would differ from Sucho

spare badger
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#GiveSuchoBestWadeofTheBigBois

hollow canyon
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I mean I agree it should be a better terrestrial predator and it should hunt better than Sucho

spare badger
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bary should be much faster and more agile on land, being a much less refined spinosaurid

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having longer legs

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utah crossed with sucho essentially

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it should still be able to use water to escape and hunt but not as well as sucho should be able to

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They had the right idea in legacy
But couldn't do the playstyle well because Legacy

placid reef
dusky surge
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yea except it isn't lame

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primary difference here

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also, the carno was the only animal in legacy which didn't have ambush

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so this is its time for glory

crimson dune
alpine plover
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Sucho is in a really weird place when you consider cherius and spino existing

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also deinosuchus

crimson dune
placid reef
dusky surge
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yea

placid reef
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honeastly, giving that to carno might solve all the problem it has in terms of design flaw

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prob also giving it better turn when not running

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so seeing a crouched carno you know exactly what is gonna happen, trully terrifying

dusky surge
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exactly

placid reef
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now i want this, i've always liked more to balance/ make small stuff more interesting but i really like this idea for carno

dusky surge
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its like ambush speed except it locks you to a direction, actually costs stamina and can stun small prey. So basically, ambush speed but designed well

placid reef
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giving it better stationary turn speed would make it like a turret, aims then once it activates its basically locked into 1 direction

dusky surge
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its not like carnos will exploit it in a brawl scenario like legacy

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it'd be actually AMBUSH speed

placid reef
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then the only thing carno would need is better map design, adding bushes here and there, in general making it more fitting for ambushing

placid reef
fresh laurel
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Ngl

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I dont even like carnos much but even i like this suggestion

crimson dune
placid reef
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low stam use fits more rex and spino for ex, look at cheetas, the fastest land animal today and it can only run for about 8 sec, carno is the fastest creature in the game, it should have the same drawback

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blitzkrieging is its name

crimson dune
#

To be exact an ostrich can run 15 km at 50 km/h

dusky surge
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okay but with this charge change, it solidifies carno's niche enough so that it doesn't need the endurance and can work fine as a quickfire ambush predator

crimson dune
dusky surge
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The one I suggested

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The cause of this entire discussion lmao

placid reef
crimson dune
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Charge stam use is ok for me cause charge uses max speed, carno running is what I think need lower stam use

potent warren
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i know right? rn theres no heavy hitter apex for stego to worry about

hollow canyon
# crimson dune What I know is that between bary, sucho, and spino, the only one that was design...

Yea, I'm aware of that, I don't think most spinosaurids had any particular adaptations that would make them good at swimming, that's why I said that they should be good at wading. Although to be fair I don't think it would be really immersion breaking if they were allowed to swim better than the rest. Tenonto being a little motorboat doesn't break my immersion and looks alright despite the fact that there's no reason why it should swim better than most other dinosaurs.

spare badger
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Although sucho has shorter legs than most other therapods iirc

spare badger
#

I'm seeing a lot of 'suchomimus could grow up to 5.2 tons'
How accurate is that size estimate cause it seems tok high

hollow canyon
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It has absolutely 0 basis in the current fossil record.@spare badger

spring dagger
#

but

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but sucho... TI_Succ

fresh laurel
#

Legit stego could just idk run away?

potent warren
#

deino is slower then stego and isnt a land user basically

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and your right,stego could just run away, which technically means stego beats deino there too

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if you cant catch/keep up with a prey item it means you cant fight it in the first place, so you lose

sinful cove
#

Problem is if deino is huffed to fight stego it also impacts its strength enough to turn it in to a land gator again

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Also lmao that ptera suggestion “carry 4 times its weight” wtf did they get that info

placid reef
#

also the classic make everything a fighter

hollow canyon
#

Yesn't - Deino isn't doing much on land since it's too slow to do anything on land. I don't think that Deino should get any buffs though.

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If anything I'd maybe nerf Stego

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Then again - screw Deino, it's just meant to sit in the water and do this whole fascinating "log gameplay"

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if someone's choosing it for another reason then they are kind of playing the wrong animal

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and this issue will keep on re-appearing every time a new big animal comes out.

sinful cove
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If all terrestrial attacks ran in to water resistance while up to their knees and terrestrials had their weight values lowered while swimming it would be an indirect but life improving buff to deino. But then theres still shallows lol

hollow canyon
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I don't think Deino struggles because of people fighting it while swimming, it struggles cause it's a garbage playable

crimson dune
sinful cove
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Most people dont drink at risky water either

hollow canyon
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True, it's not too bad if you like waiting for hours

hollow canyon
sinful cove
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Too much safespace water

hollow canyon
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If you make a playable the counterplay to whom is entirely based on "don't get close to it"

crimson dune
hollow canyon
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then it just makes the game worse

crimson dune
sinful cove
hollow canyon
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What does Sucho have to do with that?

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Sucho's in no way comparable to Deino

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Sucho cannot oneshot you, you can also kill it with most animals on the roster

crimson dune
crimson dune
hollow canyon
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Spino has things to worry about

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the only thing that Deino would realistically have to worry about is... Spino itself

crimson dune
hollow canyon
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I mean atm Spino would be completely untouchable, that's obvious

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the difference is that it's not in the game

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Deino is

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but even then Spino would still be better for the game than Deino because at least it wouldn't cause the map to be completely garbage for the whole rest of the playerbase.

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Deino requires a tonne of things catering to it with how it is designed

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All the water needs to be interconnected, there can't be any safe drinking spots

crimson dune
hollow canyon
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otherwise everyone just goes where Deino isn't and there goes this animal

crimson dune
hollow canyon
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it's more so about making the river dangerous in general

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there can be "safe" spots

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although even then you run the risk of people just learning those spots

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and never interacting with Deino anyways

crimson dune
hollow canyon
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I didn't say it shouldn't be there though

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I only said that it can't be there because... Deino

crimson dune
hollow canyon
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yes "can't" not "shouldn't"

crimson dune
hollow canyon
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No they're not

crimson dune
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what did you meant then?

hollow canyon
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one implies that I believe that things ought to be a certain way - which I don't believe

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the other implies that things have to be a certain way otherwise Deino is useless

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and just a waste of space

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and server slots

crimson dune
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you said can't so you don't want them but you know they have to be there right?

hollow canyon
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no

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"can't" doesn't mean I don't want them

crimson dune
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then what does it mean

hollow canyon
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it means that they cannot be on the map without making Deino a useless log and a waste of time

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if they are there despite that then Deino becomes a waste of space

crimson dune
hollow canyon
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I thought that was obvious from the context

crimson dune
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not for me

hollow canyon
#

Well yea, clearly, hopefully now it's cleared up

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Either way - I want there to be different drinking spots

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small creeks, little puddles

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remember the hope trailer and the small creek in which Sucho was fishing?

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The existence of something like that pretty much straight away makes Deino garbage

crimson dune
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i know there are to go from the rivers to the centre field were oasis is

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i doesnt make sense cause cannibalism makes sense for carnivores

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oh

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there should be something so they stop

sinful cove
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Idk why they have to call it rabies, which is a mammalian disease anyway, then makes it not rabies at all

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People see a sickness in animals and go “yeah rabies” ???

hollow canyon
#

I'm really hesitant on spawn protection but to be fair I kind of see where that feedback is coming from, last time I attempted to play the game a Utah killed me before the game even loaded and I had to choose a new spawn.

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I honestly think this is mainly an issue with the map having really bad spawn points and very few of them at that but

fresh laurel
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legit i logged back on and died to a aggro pachy group before i could even move or see map well

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not really fair for low specs at those moments

hollow canyon
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Well, if you had invulnerability after logging in that could be abusable

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In general that's down to you logging out in a bad place

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I'm speaking more so about spawning in when you pick a new dino

fresh laurel
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people will always be somewhere

fresh laurel
hollow canyon
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Yea - don't log out there where people are

fresh laurel
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how about adding a menu

hollow canyon
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It's never happened to me over 1k hours that I logged in and got attacked straight away

fresh laurel
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that lets you see your dino icon and say if the spot you wanna spawn at is dangerous

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like how beast of bermuda does it

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minus multiple dino slots unless people really want that :p

fresh laurel
hollow canyon
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It has nothing to do with luck

fresh laurel
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because I take a bit to load in properly

hollow canyon
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it's about logging out in the right place

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So do I - as I said I do die upon spawning in when i pick a new animal

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I never die when I log onto an animal I already have on a server though

fresh laurel
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Im just saying to help people

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who take a while to load in

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give them a warning saying there are creatures near by

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before they spawn

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so you can choose to wait

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not very fun to die when you still loading :p

hollow canyon
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Bad idea too, that literally allows you to know that there are players in a given area, the game shouldn't be telling you that

fresh laurel
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I just...

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cant

hollow canyon
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Alright, I can see that you "can't", let me put it this way - what you're proposing is pretty much a form of ESP. It allows a player to learn the location of other players without seeing them in the game normally. Now if I'm just about to log in and I have a friend in the game I can literally let them know where people are on the server

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"Can" you now?

dusky surge
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I kinda wish you were put in a sleeping anim where you are unable to see the world around you, then you wake up, are able to see and run around to prevent the looking at shit through walls thing

dusky surge
hollow canyon
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Yea forests, bushes and just areas where people are NOT.

dusky surge
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if you fall asleep in hotspots and open fields, expect to be seen on wakeup

hollow canyon
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Logging out around the oasis area is just asking to get KOSed when you try to log back in.

dusky surge
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i always find a safe spot for myself to sleep before logging off

hollow canyon
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^

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How many times have you been killed upon logging back in?

dusky surge
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honestly, i play really immersed when logging off, because if my animal wouldn't think it's a safe place to sleep, neither would I. Literally, you have to find locales which make you feel safe to sleep in. Due to my doing this, I've basically never in all my time playing died on waking up

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i never understand people who sleep in the middle of the oasis, i've seen stegs do this sometimes but those fuckers are fearless

fresh laurel
hollow canyon
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Because you're dying, it doesn't have to be oasis, you're logging in in bad spots if you're dying while logging in

fresh laurel
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Or maybe wrong time momemt

hollow canyon
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If this happens often enough that it is an issue that you feel is worthy of raising here asking the devs to put in protection for people logging in that means you're doing something really, really wrong.

fresh laurel
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I mean even server crashes play a big role in this too

hollow canyon
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Cause a single time? Sure, that can happen... maybe

fresh laurel
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I could be playing then boom crashed

hollow canyon
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Well fair enough, server crashes can have an effect on this

fresh laurel
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I could be logging in and i move a bit

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Making me fall from my rock or move from a bush

hollow canyon
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I definitely don't, because I know where to log out so as not to get killed upon logging back in

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Well then GJ logging out in a place like that

fresh laurel
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Make it sound like an achivement

hollow canyon
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I mean they could make that an achievement I guess

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if those are ever introduced into the game

alpine plover
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(achievements only being on Officials PixyLUL)

dusky surge
alpine plover
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would be too easy to do on Unofficials

dusky surge
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i cant imagine all the "ALL ACHIEVEMENTS MOD" or "DINOTOPIA (ACHIEVEMENT HELP)" servers that'd be everywhere lmao

hollow canyon
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I'm fine with that

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I don't really care for achievements

alpine plover
dusky surge
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you know it'd happen

fresh laurel
dusky surge
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what in gods name is a platinum achievement

fresh laurel
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Means rarest

dusky surge
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you said that so confidentially as if that was a real thing

fresh laurel
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For playstation users yes

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I kinda forget lol

alpine plover
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just keep it to basic Steam Achievements.

half girder
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isle should have a "you waited 10 years for release" achievement

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funny how playable count went from 50+ to 32

stark knoll
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What?

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If you're referring to Don's comment he was talking about back when that was the server count

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Don't spread misinformation, please

alpine plover
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And saying that.
Official servers will most probably have different playable counts per mode
If they're still sticking with "Evrima = small" etc.

But, I definitely hope to see Unofficials use that feature more when we have 30+ playables ready.

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It's quite dumb having 56 playables for a server with only 100 players max

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This isn't an MMORPG (like PoT) where it doesn't really matter that much what dinosaur you pick

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You'll actually need people from your species to survive.
With 56 playables for 100 players, you're getting at least 1 other person playing the same playable as you

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and on a map like Isla Spiro, good luck finding them

half girder
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oh ok

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this map..

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jace was smokin

alpine plover
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Jace didn't make Spiro.
Spiro's only been touched by Jace.

half girder
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didnt he edit parts?

alpine plover
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What we know is that he is working on a "Secret" thing.
Either that's redoing the map, making the confirmed smaller map, or something else

alpine plover
half girder
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that secret is prob more fps killing

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smaller map would be nice

hollow canyon
half girder
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like thenyaw

hollow canyon
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Honestly they should just get Jace working on the smaller map

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This one is kind of useless, it's just bad and its intended size is way too big for 100 players which is what the limit is going to be in the near future most likely.

alpine plover
hollow canyon
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Yea I know that's the part I take an issue with

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I'd love to be reassured that there's a potentially better map being worked on

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or at least that this one is getting another major overhaul

half girder
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not in this community

alpine plover
fresh laurel
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Pls jace... fix it

hollow canyon
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I was never particularly excited about that map, it looked like old Spiro to me the couple of times that I've seen it

spare badger
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Which one is Spero again?

hollow canyon
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Spero is that absurdly large map

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that couldn't be released because it was so big that it would make hosting the community servers borderline impossibly/very expensive

fresh laurel
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Yup...

hollow canyon
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half of it was ocean anyways

fresh laurel
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Reduce its size

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But eh

dusky surge
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spero looks fun, but not for this server size

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maybe if officials bump up the population then it'd be cool

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but they'd need to figure out how not to make the servers melt

fresh laurel
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Wouldnt that fix it?

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Or should we wait for more optimizations

dusky surge
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i mean... sure, but the point of spero was being big

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look at this shit

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fresh laurel
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Amaze

dusky surge
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you could fit a mosa between some of those gaps lmao

stark knoll
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thats not even all of it

fresh laurel
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Wait what

stark knoll
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theres another island in the northeast

fresh laurel
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WHAT

dusky surge
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spero is fucking insane

fresh laurel
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Were they going for 300 players?

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Seesh

dusky surge
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i do hope we do see 300+ players on a server at some point

fresh laurel
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I feel bad tbh all that work only for it to be too demanding

fresh laurel
dusky surge
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idk man, maybe?

fresh laurel
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Sooo... if evrima manages to reduce load

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By a truck ton

dusky surge
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frankly idc how they do it, as long as they can get a giant server I'm happy

fresh laurel
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Lol imagine thooo

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All the ai cus 300 ppl

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And the gaps would make deinos go there to catch travellers

alpine plover
alpine plover
# dusky surge look at this shit

(still don't know why they couldn't use the small island on the right as the map until they found a way to optimise the whole of Spero)

hollow canyon
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I think that wasn't so much the map itself from what I recall

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it was some atmospheric effect thing and what not that was responsible for that lighting I believe

alpine plover
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(lighting)

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it's why Spiro doesn't have that "orange" effect.

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Map changes lighting.

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It's why Test level makes Utah feel grey.

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(both videos were uploaded on the same day)

dusky surge
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the tides look actually fun and now i want them lmao

alpine plover
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yes

fresh laurel
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Ngl the meat grabbing seemed more fluid than ours

alpine plover
hollow canyon
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I feel like the game should be more forgiving when it comes to aiming at bodies. It currently requires rather high precision if you want to eat a body/pick it up or get a chunk of meat from it.

fresh laurel
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You arent wrong

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Rn it doesnt a good job of grab and go

fresh laurel
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None of that aim so carefully

alpine plover
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yes

fresh laurel
placid reef
placid reef
alpine plover
fresh laurel
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Just rubber banding

placid reef
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ye thats what hot garbage means too

ocean wagon
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Is the 56 playable roster just dinosaurs or is that including all of the other factions?

placid reef
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the rougly 60 playables are just dinos, humans are their own thing, and strains add to each one too (dinos and humans)

ocean wagon
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I-

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I don’t see the point of having this huge ass roster tbh. If there’s going to only be 100 players slots and there’s around 54-60 dinosaur playables, not even counting humans tribals and the other crazy shit they’re adding. I don’t see the need for so many dinosaurs

placid reef
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the idea is for at some point to get 200 player servers working good or maybe even higher

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the idea of the huge roster is that there will be something for anybody to play

ocean wagon
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If we can get 200 slots lag free then sure. But is that realistically going to happen

placid reef
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it did happen in legacy with unofficial servers but ran like shit for a plethora of reasons and iirc legacy official servers had 150 players and ran good for all i remember

ocean wagon
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Ehhh servers like nublar that had 150 slots almost always had like 300 ping and were notorious for being laggy

placid reef
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ye but keep in mind when the servers came up, technology advanced and keeps on advancing and in general official servers run the best

half girder
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really hope we get a smaller map soon

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wanna kill carnos more so they can keep saying pachy op

spring dagger
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It is OP

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and i dont main anyhting i just play what i feel like

fresh laurel
fresh laurel
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How would anyone know what said dino accels at

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Like we legit looking at a smash ultimate roster

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Im just worried for pack hunters

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Since they need lots of players and most ppl might go mid tier for something decently fast and strong

barren oracle
barren oracle
dusky surge
half girder
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man, i loooove mixpacking croc with carnos

spare badger
fresh laurel
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Me on my way to kill every apex with magy

spare badger
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Magy is gonna be a teno crossed with a pachy and I'm going to love it

fresh laurel
barren oracle
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<@&401466542140817419>

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Basically in all the feedback channel

alpine plover
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It’s everywhere

barren oracle
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I just warned people while we wait

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That’s actually a half smart one

alpine plover
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the robot

crimson dune
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@vale harness carnivore growing has to be like that, they are lighter, a 6 ton stego can't grow as fast as a carno, and herbivores right now are more powerfull than carnivores so it's fair, also is easier to survive as a herbi, it's right the way it is rn, if you told me trex is in the game and takes only 4 hours to grow, I would understand your complain, but full carno in 2,40+ hours is alright

crimson dune
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@hexed sorrel Yeah, if they want to pounce the have to know to aim well

hollow canyon
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Idk in what world it's harder to grow as a herbivore, you literally just munch on two plants and plant your butt afk next to the third one chilling throughout most of the growth, honestly water was probably the biggest nuisance while I was growing a Tenonto.

placid reef
hollow canyon
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Walking between different diet plants is a chore in the beginning, the fact that you might have to do it again - yea, it's a chore. But largerly I find it much less annoying than chasing AI around the map and definitely easier than looking for them when you get past the 50% of your growth.

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Id you're strategic with the plants and overeat then it's less of a chore than chasing the specific AI that's for sure.

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when AI Tenonto was in the game I'd say that growing carnivores was just as easy

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because you could just kill one of those at 40%+

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but since those were removed herbivores are easier again

placid reef
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i see, diets from what it looks, while still very early and def not finished/ in need of fixing but it seems like just the more people had time with it the more they started accepting it, at least this is my perspective of it

hollow canyon
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Yea, this playerbase is quite known for taking anything that is thrown at them

placid reef
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fair point

hollow canyon
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The devs are aware of it that's why they increased the growthtimes. Dinosaurs are the main draw of this game and people are willing to put up with all the egregious stuff like the diets just to run around as dinosaurs, hell even I gave the game another shot yesterday and tried to play carnivores again, I did quit after some 10 minutes when I realised I'd have to be chasing frogs and rabbits around cause no Teno AI but I did try.

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Honestly Pachy's probably the only animal I'd be willing to play if it was actually ready and complete but somehow it still isn't even though the update was released a month ago.

placid reef
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honestly the growth doesnt annoy me that much, what does is how annoying and hard it is to find your food (and the fact that if you want to hunt anything gl bc they all at oasis)

hollow canyon
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Growth's always been a nuisance to me(not to mention some of my friends, they were hesitant to play this game before but now - I wouldn't even suggest playing this thing to them with how its development progressed, but it has become more annoying with the diet update while also becoming effectively longer.

placid reef
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for me im fine with the growth, i'd fine if i juts stop and continue tomorrow, well i would if it was enjoyable growing alone

hollow canyon
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If it was enjoyable to grow then I wouldn't have a problem with it

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the issue is that it's just a time investment that you have to make before you can actually play the game

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I think the only time when i found growing enjoyable was as Carno in update 2

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but arguably that was only because the juvenile Carno was overtuned

placid reef
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i only found growing enjoyable in u2 utah when you had a group, didnt play much carno, and teno was just afk alone next to 3 bushes

hollow canyon
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and quite capable of fighting Utahs at... 35%+(I honestly don't remember at which point it could fight Utahs, I just know that it could do that from a certain point onwards).

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Actually Utah was fine too

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update 2 juv Utah could actually take out juv Carnos too, I've done it on multiple occasions

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It's such a joke that update 2 was the most enjoyable this game has been so far

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Well the herbivores were really bad on it but at least they could be afk grown and Dryo and Tenonto were actually good when fully grown

placid reef
hollow canyon
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I've played it

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the expressions on the faces of Utahs when I went for the Raptor-rock and started killing all the juvies and subadults

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well technically they were just talking on global

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which added to the entertainment

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I just found out at the time that adult Dryo just stomped Utahs until at least fresh adult

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and they were about to find out the same

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I didn't play it much mind you

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but it was pretty fun when I did

spring dagger
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The changes to pachys tap charge are amazing

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Now carno can actually play the game

hollow canyon
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There were changes to Pachy's charge?

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Wait, there was a patch?

spring dagger
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Yeah the tap doesn't stun you as a carno now.

hollow canyon
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When did this happen?

spring dagger
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when the update dropped apparently