balance-feedback-discussion

[alpine plover]

Cuz the bastard literally just doesn't give a shit

[dusky surge]

well uh

apparently cera basically doesn't

it can eat ANYTHING

like, rotten, fresh, cannibalism, doesn't care

it'll eat it

it even eats magy

[alpine plover]

No I meant like

[placid reef]

theres a dif between carcass and a specific fresh meat

[alpine plover]

Just get all nutrients from literally anythinh

[dusky surge]

yea

that's what i mean

it eats anything

it doesn't care

unless im wrong

[placid reef]

as i see it it will have a diet like other carnis rn but carcasses are separate and fill all 3 nutrients, so you have hunt diet and just corpses

[pale island]

If Cera gets a set diet I'd want it like this
Red:Rotten Meat, Dryo, Hypsi
Blue:Ptera, Compy, all Carcasses
The other one: All ai, magy, all other dinos smaller than Utah

[spare badger]

I'm assuming cerato just gets nutrients from all carcasses and magy

[slim dragon]

I'm assuming by the time we get cerato the carnivore diet system will no longer be that shitty shopping list

[spare badger]

I hope so

[placid reef]

i see at as carcasses give all nutrients as only ptera and cera can take advantage from them, but they also have diet like everyone else for what to hunt

[pale island]

We thought croc would be something like that, but ya know

[placid reef]

we thought diets will be much better, bu ya know

[spring dagger]

we thought the game would be better but ya know.

[barren oracle]

If it got Nutrients it better be from; fresh corpse, Old corpse, rotten corpse

[half girder]

cant wait for cera players to complain about pachy

[alpine plover]

Pachy is just busted because of a bug rn lol

[barren oracle]

cera should have small cc resistance

[alpine plover]

No

[half girder]

people want more endlag, no stun, i await legacy pachy arival

[alpine plover]

All I want is the bug fixed and maybe a tiny bit longer reovery time when missing a headbutt

[placid reef]

ram or alt? or both?

[sinful cove]

"reduce carnivore damage whey arent hungry" yes let's punish carnivores who keep themselves fed by giving them the bad diet debuff no matter what

do people think before they post things like this

[placid reef]

umm... islecord

[sinful cove]

islecord, survive it

[sinful cove]

that bolded text wall jesus christ

my eyes

[alpine plover]

@versed rune amazing suggestion 👍

[versed rune]

Thank you obese city bird that could potentially be a government drone

[alpine plover]

Wow

That’s not nice

[versed rune]

my b, sorry mr pleasantly rounded urban avian fellow that is not a government drone

[alpine plover]

WOW

Alright

I’m reporting you

time to get cancelled

[versed rune]

https://tenor.com/view/angai313-spongebob-sad-spongebob-crying-gif-21679826

[alpine plover]

🙂

[hollow canyon]

Not that it wouldn't stop people from killing on sight/for sport anyways. They'd just... not eat above 70% and starve themselves on purpose.

[sinful cove]

Basically, just satisfy the urges to kfs and reap the rewards when you’re done

[fresh laurel]

caught me off guard

so what happened

[sinful cove]

He wants to discourage overkilling with artificial damage nerfs to carnivores over 70% full on food

Why when it comes to things like mix/mega packs, corpse guarding, overkilling, KFS, islecord has an abundance of horrible solutions

[dusky surge]

How to solve [insert issue here]
A: Punish the player for playing the game as they should
B: Punish the player for external stimulus that can very well be out of their control

[sinful cove]

C. Punish players who are playing properly with mechanics that are easy for trolls to bypass

[rancid bluff]

D. Punish players

[mental roost]

E. Punish them for playing the game

[rancid bluff]

F. Punish the isle

[fresh laurel]

G: Punish them for buying the game

[fresh laurel]

what...

I cant even

what

How would a carnivore defend itself if its being attacked by a lower hunger carnivore

[sinful cove]

do you think the people conjuring up those ideas even think that far lol

[fresh laurel]

man

too much role playing im assuming

at least theres mostly good ideas

some that might never see the light of day tho...

[sinful cove]

Yeah lots of actually interesting and logical feedback seems to never be seen by dev eyes

[fresh laurel]

so uh

what you think of this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401481371249541120/931024927560183898/RealisticUtahraptortheIsle.png

80 something likes so far

people really want thick utah/brawler

[spring dagger]

The Isle

[dusky surge]

i personally don't think utah could fit the brawler niche unless you completely changed everything about it, from its stats to its abilities

literally everything about it would have to be changed, because current utah is the opposite of a brawler

[fresh laurel]

i mean

i wouldnt mind seeing that come when evrima mechanics are done

[dusky surge]

and also people like current utah's gameplay and wouldn't be happy to see it completely redone as a brawler

[fresh laurel]

when we could even see other raptors take our current utah gameplay

[dusky surge]

perhaps, but other raptors are WAY smaller

[fresh laurel]

deinoy

that one jp based theirs on

[dusky surge]

i dont even think that's been remotely confirmed for the Isle

[fresh laurel]

couldnt that work?

[fresh laurel]

well theres austro who could use current utah stats somewhat

[dusky surge]

austro is going to be a very light-weight fishing dinosaur

[fresh laurel]

true

i guess we should wait for more dinos to see

[dusky surge]

very unlikely we'll see it pouncing shit

[fresh laurel]

before we can rework utah

[fresh laurel]

herrea or mono?

well not mono

but in stats

[dusky surge]

herrera is a tree climber and operates very differently from utah

[sinful cove]

Yeah i share the distaste in the current gremlin raptor, a more imposing raptor would be nice

Past the jumpscare aspect, raptors dont even look intimidating from merc perspective because of their dumb purring noises and generic plastic toy jp model

[fresh laurel]

I think our utah just needs some beefing up to actually look scary

I mean in human qa it didnt really give fear factor

like look at carno

[sinful cove]

Seeing deinosuchus as a merc was pretty intimidating except i can just run away from the adult ones lol

[fresh laurel]

lol but

deino size was just

wow

then you see utah who isnt even accurate to its size all that much

[sinful cove]

Deino is a bus

[sinful cove]

Utah is just uwu jurassic park bork bork shaved turkey

[fresh laurel]

even jp utah is chonk

[fresh laurel]

those purring sounds really cause me to lose my hiding spot

legit carno hears one purr and start searching for me

I aint no cat

this doesnt even scream purr

[sinful cove]

lmao i barely ever sit as a utah its better to just crouch

[fresh laurel]

i sit to heal faster and stam

but crouch when near something

[sinful cove]

Sitting isnt even worth the extra stam regen to me with how noisy it is

[fresh laurel]

ikr

I think remove the purrs

[sinful cove]

Utah purrs like a damn cat, pachy has an asthma attack

[fresh laurel]

at least make it growl if they want sounds

i want utah to sound scary

not a jp velo with cat dna

idk man but if the isle lore includes humans adding cat dna to utah then thats a bit weird

[sinful cove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoS306rcaeY

i wish they got rid of the bark too

they used to not have it, but then got so shameless

[fresh laurel]

give it original sounds

[sinful cove]

the old broadcast is so much less cringe than "BORK BORK blue the velociraptor!!!1!"

wouldnt mind whole new sounds too, but the old broadcast already is better than the current

[fresh laurel]

its sad

they really used to have original sounds

but changed it for who knows why

[versed rune]

people: get rid of the borks, its a shameless unoriginal JP ripoff
devs: what's that? keep the JP knockoff borks? sure thing!!!!

[fresh laurel]

XD

[fresh laurel]

legit we just want an antiethnic looking utah

[alpine plover]

Ram

Sorry for the late reply, was asleep

[placid reef]

ye, fair

[alpine plover]

I guess a softer tone would be to "vault" Stego instead of remove

Cuz unless the Utah is super close it won't be landing that pounce since Pachy just goes: "Lol, just gonna alt attack"

Cause right now it has no place or business being in the ecosystem rn

Neither does Deino

[placid reef]

irl utah is the only possible brawler raptor, it was the biggest ever, heviest, slowest

[alpine plover]

"Vault"?

Yes

Df does that even mean

Temporarily withhold

[fresh laurel]

then bralwer utah could work

hehe

[placid reef]

utah already has a role that people like so no chance

[fresh laurel]

eh could happen

who knows

but i guess we could see a remodel mostly

[alpine plover]

Just edit out the option to pick it as a playable without touching anything else for the time being

[placid reef]

just grey it out like they did with humans you mean?

[alpine plover]

See but then Deinos will just go rogue

[placid reef]

send them to mordor too

[alpine plover]

Just replace Steg with Kent and Deino withwith Bary

ez

[placid reef]

well thats what hey should've done but rn theres no way its happening sadly

[alpine plover]

True

[alpine plover]

yea

Would work wonders when Kentro/Barry or Austro make it in

And Cera

Playing Stego/Deino is legit brainrot

There's no interactivity nor engagement

[placid reef]

cera not really, doubt it will get diving and prob just faster swim like teno

[alpine plover]

Yea

Tf Austro and Barry are gonna do to Deino infested waters

Without Spino/Cherry to keep them in check

Nothing, but you can replace Bary with Deino

[placid reef]

ye this is where map design would come into play, and diets

[alpine plover]

Ehhh

It's more ecosystem wise as well

[placid reef]

idealy the map would have more than just 2 optionsfor water biomes (rivers and swamps), there would be marshes, ponds etc

[alpine plover]

True

[placid reef]

small rivers...

[alpine plover]

Though it's multi faceted issue

Like I said, just replace Deino with Bary and Steg with Kentro, ez

[placid reef]

and ofc diets would support this with spreading the herbis to these biomes and then the carnis would have to go there aswell from this factor too

[alpine plover]

From map design, roster choices, playable implementation, mechanics, and balance

Dare I say

It's bad game design

[placid reef]

some are inherented by the fact its a class based game, like balance, implementation and mechanics

[alpine plover]

Right, but it can be done

[placid reef]

so those are out the equation bc they have to be worked on constantly

but what do you mean by roster choices?

[alpine plover]

Bad game design is defined by mechanics failing to achieve functions or intended goals.
impacting the experience negatively

[alpine plover]

Deino/Stego

[placid reef]

ik what it is, evrima rn is just bad game design

[alpine plover]

Carno being a small game hunter being an apex with small game too weak or unfinished to bother playing

So no one plays small game

While having not too much competition

Utah is only an exception given that the power scale is determined by numbers
By itself it's an okay creature (if we're ignoring the bad carnivore design in general)

[placid reef]

ah, like i said above, idealy you would use diets to spread them where you want them to be, so a stego lets say has it diets in plains so he has no reason to be in a march only just temporary while migrating to the other plains, deino would be locked to rivers as swamps would hold spino idealy, marshes would have sucho and cherry to keep them in check, and bary, austro and beipi would also be in marshes, ponds and small rivers where only they can swim

[alpine plover]

Carno is just abysmal at ambushing

[placid reef]

well thats what it should be but rn utah is balanced with the pack in mind to be viable when it shouldnt, the pack only puts them higher on the food chain

[alpine plover]

You'd be right, but those other playables don't exist
Therefore that sort of self balancing process isn't there
Therefore no engagement

Stego is still busted even if spread out

Way too strong, and way too early given the playables right now

Only one thing challenges them, and that's Utah packs(sometimes)

It causes hordes of Stegos to infest

[placid reef]

well ye im thinking idealy with the whole roster in mind, with what we have rn, stego and deino just need to be "vaulted", let the semi aquatic carni role be taken by cera for the time beeing, and stego replaced with kentro once he comes, bc if you just tweak teno a bit it would easily be able to keep carnos and prob cera in check

same for utah, well utah needs a lot more help than any other animal, prob carno the same, but both with the right tweaks and fixes would support this ecosystem i just described

not gonna go over diets again bc thats pointless

[alpine plover]

I get what you're saying

I agree

And Pachy hordes already keep everything in check lmao

Teno's are just icing on the cake

Isle is just left 4 dead but herbivores

[placid reef]

well pachy needs to most tweaking out of anybody, in terms of nerfs, teno beeing some far behind bc overall is much less busted

[placid reef]

well thast a great analogy of the game rn

[alpine plover]

Ehh, it's only got one shitty thing and that's the stun lock

alt attack just needs a tune

[placid reef]

ah pachy

[alpine plover]

It's mainly the fault of bad carnivore design not keeping up

[placid reef]

well it would still be counted as a nerf

[alpine plover]

It would

[placid reef]

utah and crno might be awfully designed once you know what hey are supposed to be in game (from what the devs said they wanted them to be) but pachy has much less to do with their design, more with its design beeing so overtuned

[alpine plover]

Yup

[placid reef]

while yes pachy has its problmes that it needs fixed, like the shitty hitboxes for fractures

[alpine plover]

It achieves what it's suppose to do properly

Almost all the herbivores do

[placid reef]

and more by a long shot

[alpine plover]

Unlike the Carnivores

[alpine plover]

Which is the the overtune

Also, Dryo and Hypsi desperately need mechanics and work

[placid reef]

utah needs a huge group to survive, carno sucks at the one thing it was supposed to do and deino... well he got fucked by map design and diets

[alpine plover]

No fucking way they're still this horrible after all this time

[placid reef]

this is the problems with carnis in a nutshell

[alpine plover]

Yeah, Utah packs of 10, is the considerable number to comfortably hunt

When it should infact be the one of the most terrifying things in the game

A pack that size should be flee on sight

And it just isn't

[placid reef]

the fact 1 pachy can massacre a pack of 4 when 2 should be more than enough for a good even fight... like 1 utah is gonna lose more thna wins against 1 pachy, 2 is even and 3 or more it allows it to punch in higher weight groups from there, ofc dinos with designs special for flank watching are excluded, like stego and kentro

and carno is very simple to explain, he is unable to hunt small game

[placid reef]

sees pack of 10
oh im gonna die but at least i killed 7 of them

[alpine plover]

Yea...

Like, a pack hunter reaching mass numbers and reaching it's maximum power capacity should put in contest to hunt large/apex sized prey

an Apex with a poor maintained diet should 100% be nervous spotting an encounter like that

[placid reef]

but no we got pack hunter that needs a huge pack just to be viable

[spring dagger]

Utah's diet is fine.

Compared to carnos at least

[placid reef]

oh i wanst even talking about their diets

[fresh laurel]

well

goat and ptera on it would be nice

dont get why we got deino over them but eh

[fresh laurel]

ngl

feel a lone utah isnt as viable as it could be

[placid reef]

bc it isnt, utah was balanced to only be viable with a large pack

well more correctly everything else was balanced to make that happen

[fresh laurel]

eh

but I mean

even pack gameplay seems terrible for utah

theres not even a good chance of finding a solo herbi

since 90% are in herds which make going in for a attack impossible without getting hit

[barren oracle]

@cosmic geyser carno is 3 times heavier and has like 2x the momentum

What about it doesn’t instantly win that

Plus pachy is already busted in their fight

[barren oracle]

That’s cause oasis is ass

[fresh laurel]

yo

what would happen if instead of utahs giant pounce miss endlag

it took a bigger sum of stamina

like bigger!

[barren oracle]

Have you seen the giant Utah admin glitch?

[fresh laurel]

I think so

what about it

[barren oracle]

It’s peak

That’s what Utah should be

[fresh laurel]

wdym peak

[barren oracle]

10x larger than Rex

[fresh laurel]

lol

nah utah should get a slight size buff tbh

[barren oracle]

Then it can be viable

[fresh laurel]

but my idea

bad or good

[barren oracle]

Eh

Utah’s op from a balance point

[fresh laurel]

not really

[barren oracle]

And if it’s bigger pachy has to be bigger

[fresh laurel]

not really

utah was slightly taller than a human

sooo...

[barren oracle]

That’s what it is is it not?

[fresh laurel]

not really

but anyways

besides utah size

[barren oracle]

It’s just boring because bleeds boring

[fresh laurel]

I think missing pounce should take a great deal of stamina since rn all other playables abilities dont mean insta kill when it misses

so why not give utah the same love

[barren oracle]

Pounce isn’t really the problem

More the current roster

[fresh laurel]

like pachy missing ram doesnt mean insta kill

or teno

[barren oracle]

Think about how powerful Utah will be against trikes

[fresh laurel]

not sure about that chief

trike could just turn around now

and if utah pounces trike face...

[barren oracle]

They can attack in 1 direction normally and probably have an expensive alt bite

[fresh laurel]

we dont know that yet

trike has to be good enough to fend off apexes too

[barren oracle]

It’s really not a greatly suited animal against just in concept

[fresh laurel]

I mean

our utah isnt really even accurate

[barren oracle]

It will probably be devastating against apexes

[fresh laurel]

its just a jp raptor

[fresh laurel]

yea

but again

[barren oracle]

I oddly like that for some reason

[fresh laurel]

can you stop changing le subject

[barren oracle]

Utah’s just a mess for balance in concept

[fresh laurel]

utah is the only one who's rmb miss means death

[fresh laurel]

its bite could be adjusted

[barren oracle]

If you make bite more powerful it’s gonna be overused if pounce is more prominent then it’s gonna be used more

[fresh laurel]

then why not

make them both useful?

like bite to keep pounces bleed pressure

[barren oracle]

You forgot dryo and hypsi

[fresh laurel]

dryo dodge is just flat out useless

[barren oracle]

It was like that for a small bit

[fresh laurel]

hypsi aim needs fixing

[barren oracle]

Wasn’t too awful but it wasn’t great

[fresh laurel]

back when utah was 1000 hp

175 bite or 150n i think

and pounce did loads of dmg

[barren oracle]

Yeah it was way overturned

[fresh laurel]

then they over nerfed bite

[barren oracle]

Pounce could kill carnos really fast

[fresh laurel]

ik but now

[barren oracle]

Bite could take on stego

[fresh laurel]

when you had pack yea

[barren oracle]

Even solo

Just had to aim for the head

And do like 300 damage a hit

[fresh laurel]

it was not 300 dmg a hit

but ok

[barren oracle]

Honestly stegs a balance mess on its own but it’s the only good comparison for what Utah should be hunting

[fresh laurel]

I think even leaving bite at like 75n would of been fine

[barren oracle]

It did like 175 a hit normally

[fresh laurel]

yet now utah cant even kill it

without having to get food or water in the middle of the fight

[barren oracle]

That’s just cause of oasis

[fresh laurel]

stego blood pool is just bruh

hp is bruh

[barren oracle]

Hp is god tier

Damage is above that

And blood pool is mediocre

[fresh laurel]

stego legit can kill deino which is the only apex carni thats limited to water

wheres the sense?!

stego kills a ambush carni thats stuck to water

[barren oracle]

Stego does 2000 damage headshots

[fresh laurel]

i dont understand why deino who weighs more than stego

and has a wayyy bigger jaw

cant kill it

and i mean deino has a thick head

[barren oracle]

Deino shoud do more damage

It’s probably gonna do more or less the same as cerato

[fresh laurel]

deino needs to at least be able to grab swimming stegos

but anyways utahs pounce and bite

is just

bruh

when utah becomes low on stam to where it shouldnt pounce then its kinda just bad

[barren oracle]

Pounce is busted

Just too boring to learn

[fresh laurel]

pounce bleed is great

[barren oracle]

And too boring to play

[fresh laurel]

dont get me wrong

but bleed takes forver for bigger targets

and pachy with its haha funny one shot

[barren oracle]

The larger the roster is the better Utah can be

Larger in a sense of size

[fresh laurel]

idk man

utah with stego is not a great showing of the future with apex herbi hunting

[barren oracle]

Like adding kentro isn’t gonna do Utah any favours

[fresh laurel]

would of been better to have kentro and bary instead of deino and stego tbh

[barren oracle]

I keep saying that

[fresh laurel]

some utah changes i would like to see are

fixing missed pounce being insta kill

just make it take massive stamina bruh...

and also 75n bite

to help hunt smalls better

and keep pressure in battles

against bigs

[half girder]

same goes for every dino lol

pounce is easy to learn, prob a skill issue there

[fresh laurel]

firstly

ow

[half girder]

though i do find myself getting hit with server bs

[placid reef]

quite the opposite lol, kentro is even more anti utah than stego

[fresh laurel]

also i mean look at pachy

[half girder]

? ok

[placid reef]

pachy is overtuned, yes we know

[half girder]

we get it it’s op

[fresh laurel]

stego

[half girder]

stego shouldn’t exist atm

[fresh laurel]

yup

[half girder]

but oh well let people be bored

[fresh laurel]

but when ppl ask for it to be removed

its not

I mean I wonder why stego removal suggestions are so heavly down voted

if people know its not ready for this roster

because I mean roster rn would be fine if it werent for stego

teno and carno can duke it out and deino to well water...

[half girder]

we ain’t getting another dino till prob summer time

[fresh laurel]

oh ik

[half girder]

and that’s yet another small tier

[fresh laurel]

but I still wouldnt mind if they just made stego a ai

[half girder]

no.

hell no

[fresh laurel]

how come?

[half girder]

there’s a reason they haven’t released nor spoke on it

i don’t see that being a good idea

[fresh laurel]

lemme guess

[half girder]

same with apexes tbh

[fresh laurel]

ai would be boar again if we got apex ai?

[half girder]

yes.

[fresh laurel]

I meant

if they fixed ai

I mean boar got heavy low iq now

[half girder]

there is no fix in this dev team, they still have yet to fix 5 month old bugs

“show proof in bug report”

play your own game?

[fresh laurel]

still wonder how i should show proof of server lag in my gameplay

like do i hop on and do a grow stream hoping to find a bug?

because the game works and then it doesnt

[half girder]

i just want better optimization

idk how they fail that simple of a task

if it were a console port sure but it’s been on pc for half a decade

[fresh laurel]

me too

[half girder]

sad how i find a roblox game more fun atm.

[fresh laurel]

i legit dont know how legacy seemed more stable at this point XD

only server lag legacy gave was that rubber banding which all dino games suffer from

[half girder]

speaking of legacy i’ve been rubber banding in evrima

like brooooo?!

very rarely tho

[fresh laurel]

happens when i pounce ptera and jump off

i rubber band to hell

until i pounce again

the rubber band makes me get closer to ptera

[half girder]

utah pounce def needs fixes and nerfs logically wise

[fresh laurel]

nerfs?

what nerfs

its got heavy endlag when missed

dmg is fine

[half girder]

treee and rocks should always work

[fresh laurel]

eh

idk man

[half girder]

they should.

[fresh laurel]

that removal made utah good in forest

[placid reef]

yes, but on everyone not just utah

[half girder]

wym everyone

[fresh laurel]

I think if they bring back tree and rock pounce counter then make it so you have to run at top speed

not just a tiny little slide

[half girder]

who else phases through stuff

[fresh laurel]

it was so annoying

[placid reef]

so stego from the ones we have now wont be able to swing trough trees (or at least deal damage trough them)

[half girder]

oh fr?

[fresh laurel]

yea

and deino

can bite through logs

[placid reef]

yea that was the big deal with utah and phasing, stego got a free deal and utah got punished for trying

[half girder]

never really fought em in forests

[fresh laurel]

brh

how do you know about sliding utah off trees

but not stego hitting through trees

[half girder]

i usually hunt stego in plains

[fresh laurel]

when tree and rock removing utah was ingame it made utah completly horrible in forest forcing them to hunt in plains

[placid reef]

ye thats what i mean, either everyone or noone gets it, and should be a bit more polished too, also teno could kinda kit trrough stuff if you are under smth bc it also phases

[half girder]

teno hit boxes can be absurd

[fresh laurel]

I think devs removed it for utah because they wanted utah to be forest hunters ig

[half girder]

same goes for all though.

[fresh laurel]

me when teno knocks me down from a tail tip shot

[half girder]

lol

[placid reef]

it should be brought back, but for everyone to be affected

[fresh laurel]

yea

but revamp it for utah

make it so you need full speed to do it

not just walk a tiny bit

utah isnt a complete stick

its 992 pounds

[half girder]

something needs to be done about spear fishers

[placid reef]

i mean imagine you are holding to an elephant... and the same scenario

[fresh laurel]

except

you are human

with bad nails

not same case

[half girder]

i think tbh stam consumption in water should be wayyyy more

[fresh laurel]

raptors who were made for hunting vs humans who go for brains

not same case at all

[fresh laurel]

for who

walking in water?

[half girder]

stego

[fresh laurel]

true

[half girder]

yes

[fresh laurel]

or let deino grab swimming stegos

ez

[half girder]

i think

[fresh laurel]

best fix i think we could use rn that devs cant say no to is

MAKE EATING FASTER

[half girder]

it would be dope to allow deinos to grab stegos who are at least halfway in the water

[fresh laurel]

my utah takes more chunks of meat than its belly should hold

[fresh laurel]

yea

[half girder]

true

[fresh laurel]

but stego mains will cry

[half girder]

“encourage pvp”

so dumb that a whole pachy doesn’t fill up carno

[fresh laurel]

bruh

how does that work

i was like did they mean for deinos?

like if you ate a body near water

[half girder]

idk mang

[fresh laurel]

how does dryo not fill utah to full if not more

Like come on

[half girder]

deers goats chickens

same for them

[fresh laurel]

yup

legit pachy should feed 2 utahs decently

like 0 to 100

[half girder]

mhm

[fresh laurel]

its funny

if you look at eating animation

when your dino grabs the chunks of meat

you grab more than you should be able to fit inside your belly

[versed rune]

carnotaurus gets 1 (one) tick of food from a dryo

🙂

[fresh laurel]

I dont know man maybe devs should make polls

[half girder]

yeah it’s sad

[fresh laurel]

for real?

[versed rune]

yes

[fresh laurel]

they nerfed carno hunt small game

[versed rune]

legitimately

one tick

[fresh laurel]

but cant feed off small game?

[versed rune]

yes

exactly correct

[fresh laurel]

the sense?

wheres the sense

[versed rune]

a dryo should be giving a carno like 60% hunger

[fresh laurel]

almost like how they said pachy will break legs and run away

[half girder]

never that, the devs hate direct feedback they want more and more and mooore testing

more discussions more time

[fresh laurel]

and what we got from it in balancing?

just eh

more transparency would be nice at the very least

[half girder]

the game felt better when pachy first released in qa

so sad

[fresh laurel]

like them checking off a list of bugs they know are ingame

and show

like maybe a channel saying known bugs

[placid reef]

in general in water your weight should be lowered by 1/3, without affecting hp

[half girder]

true

[fresh laurel]

your attacks in water should be lower

i mean

slower

[placid reef]

i mean once you get in deep water you cant attack

[versed rune]

its almost like constantly nerfing dinosaurs instead of buffing certain dinosaurs to compensate for the powerful ones puts a bad taste in a player's mouth

funny how that works

[fresh laurel]

for biting dinos

should attack slower

[fresh laurel]

its true

[placid reef]

it already does that iirc

[fresh laurel]

lets nerf carno since it clapped teno back in qa

you know

the nerfed teno?

that got buffed later

actually

[versed rune]

the awesome isle

[fresh laurel]

someone of carno nerfs were fine

until they did way more than they should of

[versed rune]

the turn nerfs were fine

[placid reef]

carno was absolutely busted, mostly the running turn/slide but busted nontheless

[fresh laurel]

yea

[placid reef]

not the one when stationary, that was uncalled for

[fresh laurel]

stam tho

[versed rune]

the bite nerf was petty

[fresh laurel]

carno stam though

cant even chase smalls with that stam

[versed rune]

the drift nerf was understandable but still cringe imo

[fresh laurel]

and it cant ambush with that loud ram

[versed rune]

like you can make a case for it but i simply dont LIKE it

i like my dinosaurs with fun ways to move

which the drift still isnt BAD

[placid reef]

cant chase bc of the turn, stam is just the cherry on top

[versed rune]

carno's stam is fine tbh

just needs better regen

both trotting and resting

or just give it a faster trot so it isnt forced to sprint everywhere

teno is nice cuz you can trot and travel quick

[fresh laurel]

carno stam is so bad tho

[versed rune]

carno's supposed to be a sort of nomadic "the world is my territory" kind of guy

so give him a faster trot and he'd be epic

he can save his stam for an ambush

[placid reef]

carno still needs a turn buff, he cant even hunt smalls

[fresh laurel]

i mean

i hope they dont over do that

[versed rune]

i mean to be honest he can

pachy just turns too much

and utah is meant to be agile

pachy's turn is so good it feels unnatural

when it was released it was too slow but now its too fast, something in between would be good

[fresh laurel]

i miss slow pachy

pachy is so fast

it should be faster than tenos

at the very least

[placid reef]

pachy is teno speed

[fresh laurel]

really?

[versed rune]

faster actually

[placid reef]

yes, roughly the same

[versed rune]

which imo it shouldnt be

[fresh laurel]

idk man pachy feels faster

weird

[versed rune]

i think for the purposes of logic and alo gameplay teno should be very slightly faster

[fresh laurel]

maybe

[versed rune]

cuz pachy plays like a damned carnivore rn

[fresh laurel]

but teno could kill pachy

[versed rune]

teno's strong attacks are from behind tho

[placid reef]

they need to, carno cant do what its supposed to do

[versed rune]

its not gonna do well chasing a pachy if its only like 1kmph faster

[fresh laurel]

i said over do

like over board

[placid reef]

ah mb

had the idea to allow it to turn fast for small angles and for bigger ones he slides like he does rn, also give it slitghtly better acceleration and remove that roar

[fresh laurel]

nah

it doesnt need better accel

its fine in that area

I dont something would catch speed like that fast that qick

[placid reef]

then pay attention, stay further from bushes, forest egdes and make sure you know your surroundings, smalls can change direction incredibly fast

[fresh laurel]

look man

we wouldnt have any problems if thats how it was

if it was that easy no one would die

carno still needs trouble hunting

[hollow canyon]

It would though, while Carnotaurus wasn't very good at turning in full sprint it could accelerate tremendously fast. In general it either needs to have a higher acceleration or better turn rate. I'd rather give it back its old turn rate from prior to the nerf but tinkering with its acceleration could be an interesting experiment to push it into a different playstyle than it had so far.

For an animal that is supposed to hunt smalls it's way too trash at both. If you were any good at Utah and actually cared to stay alive you wouldn't die to a Carno even prior to its nerfs. Atm the animal is pretty much a joke.

[versed rune]

carno is always nefed to shit, even back in legacy

they make it fast with good damage and poor turn to make it kill smalls quickly, then people complain because they apparently dont know how to tap A or D, and then it gets nerfed until it cant really do anything

this is like the 4th time this has happened in the game's 6 year history

[hollow canyon]

@versed runeIt's not just a Carno-issue fyi. Utah's diet was a joke last I've checked too. One of its nutrients came from... Hypsi(which nobody plays), Dryo(which nobody plays, as you mentioned) and Deino... which is the last animal Utah should be going after.

(Carnivore)diets are a joke, it's really that simple

[versed rune]

yea i noticed utah's // diet is pretty bad too

granted not as bad as carno because if it DOES find a deino to fill up on, there will be enough food to max it out for a while

but this whole "you have to hunt certain species to play the game" thing is ludicrous

[hollow canyon]

Fair enough, I honestly just noticed that their diets were bad, I didn't play carnivores enough to say which one is worse on this update.

[versed rune]

the isle's development is quite literally an allegory for the first JP movie

[fresh laurel]

ceratorex

[versed rune]

they just do something without pausing for a moment to think if they SHOULD do it

its really quite poetic

[hollow canyon]

it is, because it was meant for herbivores - quite clearly - and looks like it got slapped on carnivores because the devs realised they needed diets for them too

[fresh laurel]

eh carno before nerfs was just a better utah

[hollow canyon]

The whole diet system was such an absolute let down

It wasn't

[fresh laurel]

release carno

[hollow canyon]

if you were playing Utah the way you were playing Carno... you were playing it wrong

[fresh laurel]

was just a bigger utah

[hollow canyon]

Release Carno was overtuned for a number of reasons but it was exactly where it should've been after the nerfs it got hit with in update 3

Then again - most things were overtuned in update 2

[fresh laurel]

devs make it seem like they were gonna add gore with diets but saw it would take even longer

[hollow canyon]

like Utahs taking down Stegos in mere seconds

[versed rune]

better to have overtuned dinosaurs than undertuned imo

[fresh laurel]

yea utah needed nerf

[versed rune]

cuz then at least everyone can have fun instead of no fun allowed

[fresh laurel]

you're not wrong...

[hollow canyon]

I think Utah needed a slight rework/nerf and Stego definitely needed a buff

[fresh laurel]

so you're saying

[versed rune]

mind you overtuned is still not good but its certainly the lesser of two evils

[hollow canyon]

I'm not a fun of what they did with either Utah nor Carno

[fresh laurel]

if devs brought utahrex back from its grave and put it into todays meta

it would be fine?

[versed rune]

what is utahrex

[fresh laurel]

funny

[hollow canyon]

What in the world is Utahrex?

[fresh laurel]

it was like when cera was ceratorex

[versed rune]

its was never THAT extreme

[fresh laurel]

cus cera was broken adn got the nickname

[hollow canyon]

I've played the game when "Ceratorex" was a thing

it wasn't broken

[versed rune]

cerato rex was fun af

[fresh laurel]

thats why i said utahrex

[hollow canyon]

it just wasn't Cerato

[fresh laurel]

i mean

a nickname for the op utah

[hollow canyon]

But Ceratorex wasn't even op?

[versed rune]

thats why i liked it tbh, it was quite literally "cerato has had enough"

[hollow canyon]

It had a number of weaknesses

[fresh laurel]

i wanna know more about ceratorex tbh

[versed rune]

if ceratorex ran into an actual rex 💀

[hollow canyon]

Whenever I saw one as a Giga I knew I'd have free food

Rex also could endurance hunt it

[fresh laurel]

couldnt cera rex fight allos?

[hollow canyon]

Allos yea

[fresh laurel]

like

duke it out

[hollow canyon]

but Allos were much much weaker

[fresh laurel]

maybe

i never played back then

i started 2019 or 2018

[hollow canyon]

it's not "maybe" - I've played both

Allo had a lower biteforce at the time

it was being destroyed by a Para

[versed rune]

you could potentially fight off 8 allosaurs at once by yourself, full grown gigas were on the menu, your biggest fears were rex due to its superior speed and power and carno killing you overtime and healing your pathetic bleed damage quickly.

[hollow canyon]

whenever it was seen by one

[fresh laurel]

mhm...

dang

[versed rune]

cerato rex had an insanely fast ambush too

[fresh laurel]

just buff allo and nerf rex speed

ez

[versed rune]

it would hit you like lightning

[hollow canyon]

Not sure which patch you're talking about but at the end Giga stomped Ceratorex with ease, I took down packs of them without any trouble

[versed rune]

it was objectively the most fun animal to play in the history of the isle

[hollow canyon]

Rex wasn't faster than Ceratorex either

[fresh laurel]

ok back today

not past isle

evrima

something about carno

and utah

[versed rune]

i remember i took down 2 gigas once as a solo cerato rex. almost died but i lived

[fresh laurel]

bruh

[hollow canyon]

Idk what they were doing, I took down entire packs of Ceratos as a Giga without any trouble

[versed rune]

granted i think they both might have been .8 or .9

[fresh laurel]

we get it you guys are remembering good times of viable cera

[versed rune]

but even so that's a feat

[versed rune]

it really depended on the players i suppose

[hollow canyon]

Idk if I'd call it "viable" - it was a throwaway animal that you could grow very fast and throw at whatever you wanted to fight, it wasn't that good at surviving because apexes destroyed it in an open fight, it had a low stamina pool and an awful base running speed as well as the shortest hunger time in the game.

[versed rune]

it was viable in a really weird way

[hollow canyon]

Yea

it was worth playing

but it wasn't... very good at surviving

[versed rune]

100% yes. easily the most fun dinosaur id ever played as

[hollow canyon]

Which is a perfectly fine combination

[versed rune]

its what made me become a cerato fan

[fresh laurel]

lol

so uh

75n utah

[versed rune]

yes absolutely

id even argue for 90 damage on it

[fresh laurel]

475kg utah maybe

just to help with smaller prey

[versed rune]

"but if utah had 90 damage then utahs would kill each other in 6 hits!!!"

Exactly.

[fresh laurel]

bruh

who cares

we dont even eat each other much

[versed rune]

Get rid of weight=health and problem solved

[fresh laurel]

oh yeaaa

they said it was to keep things simple

which i find hard to do with that

[hollow canyon]

I don't see that as a problem

[versed rune]

it keeps things simple, sure

[fresh laurel]

exactly

[versed rune]

but in the worst way possible

[hollow canyon]

I mean 90dmg is a bit too high

imo

compared to Carno

[versed rune]

so buff carno to 220

[fresh laurel]

whats carno bite

[hollow canyon]

175N

[fresh laurel]

also didnt carno have a kinda weak bite irl

[hollow canyon]

not at all

[versed rune]

hang on

let me get the thing

[fresh laurel]

or was that allo..

i forget

[hollow canyon]

It's estimated to have been able to produce 1t of pressure

[fresh laurel]

really?

[fresh laurel]

that head does not look capable\

[fresh laurel]

so carno was stronk bite

seesh

[hollow canyon]

Those are the biteforces

of some theropods

[fresh laurel]

does that mean?

[versed rune]

carno's bite was likely very strong, between a recent study on how powerful the bone structure was and the power of the neck muscles

[fresh laurel]

carno be biting harder than allo

[hollow canyon]

Note - that Allo isn't very large

it's around the size of the Carno

slightly smaller

[fresh laurel]

allo could just have a bleeding bite tbh

[hollow canyon]

1.6t specimen

[fresh laurel]

i mean ingame

[hollow canyon]

The issue is(to my knowledge) we do not have particularly well preserved skulls of the larger allosaurs

[fresh laurel]

rip

[versed rune]

so the moral of the story is dont listen to the neckbeards in here who say carno had a weak bite, because they clearly do not understand the biological concept of "short snout=bite, hold, do NOT let go"

[hollow canyon]

Yea Carno didn't have a weak bite at all

Sucho had a weak bite

[fresh laurel]

I mean im just starting to learn more about dinos here

[hollow canyon]

literally half the biteforce of an Allosaurus that's half the size of the Sucho

[versed rune]

yea that's all good, its really interesting stuff when you get into it. just be careful what people in here tell you because oftentimes they have no clue what theyre talking about lol

say no to gatekeepers

[fresh laurel]

alr

would 75n and 475kg utah break balancing of utah?

[hollow canyon]

In general they should be able to provide you with sources if you want to trust them

[hollow canyon]

I think those are perfectly fine values for it

[fresh laurel]

alr

[versed rune]

it would make utah cannibalism really funny that's for sure

[hollow canyon]

55N biteforce for Utah seems a bit low

[fresh laurel]

this is more to help with killing the smaller side of the roster because I dont think these buffs could help with stego or teno

[versed rune]

all 3 major carnivores right now are severely watered down

well actually

even ptera is too weak

[fresh laurel]

it made me laugh when i first saw it

i thought it was a bug like in update one evrima

utah had 15n bite or something as a bug

[fresh laurel]

ptera needs slight dmg buff to hunt juvies

[versed rune]

for sure

[fresh laurel]

but devs say

they want quetz to be juvie killer

and im like bruh

[versed rune]

one thing ive thought about actually

[fresh laurel]

how do juvies fill quetz

quetz feels like a glass canon tbh

[versed rune]

what if we doubled the health values of every single dinosaur in the game to allow for more leeway with damage?? instead of having to cram all mid tiers in the 150 to 400 bite damage range

[fresh laurel]

might get complicated fast

think of deinos

and stegos

double hp

[versed rune]

that way you could make some dinosaurs have higher damage in greater variation, without having to mess with the number of hits it takes to kill something

[fresh laurel]

or revert hp means weight

pls?

utahs weights more than pachy but pachy has more hp?

or other way around

[versed rune]

currently it takes carno 46 hits to kill a deino with body shots. so for the sake of simplicity, say you buff deino's health to 16,000. that would allow you to double carno's damage to 350 without increasing OR decreasing the amount of hits it takes for a carno to kill a deino

[fresh laurel]

might work?

[versed rune]

so it would literally be a way of making it easier to differentiate dinosaurs based on damage

[fresh laurel]

i think it would be cool to give tails their own hp in a way

like keep biting a tail to do dmg but not actually kill

well uh

dead chat

[keen plover]

I think health=weight is fine. The current weights make squishy Dino’s squishy while the bigger boys that take several more hours to grow feel strong. You die as a Utah and you’re back as an adult in like 1 hour. (75 min?) . Even if they’re squishy, they can still do a lot of damage so it still works

[fresh laurel]

Thing is yea you can make it work

But if you wanna get specific on stats

Then it starts to fail

Also doesnt matter

If hp wasnt weight

Devs could of made a dino weight same as their hp

So i dont see the point in the change

[keen plover]

I don’t see how it fails though

[fresh laurel]

I said if you wanna get specific

Like lets say you want carno to be heavier than teno but want teno to have more hp

You cant have that now

[fresh laurel]

Just an example

I just dont see what the new hp = weight brings to the table that the old system couldnt

[keen plover]

I personally don’t see the problem with that though. Carno being bigger should always have more hp. I hate legacy where Rex had more hp than giga even though giga took longer to grow and weighed more

[fresh laurel]

bruh

I just said example

[fresh laurel]

[keen plover]

Yeah and I don’t agree with the examples premise

[half girder]

nerf esp carnos

[fresh laurel]

and legacy balancing was all over the place

[fresh laurel]

I meant an example to not think about much

[fresh laurel]

what

I dont think carno needs more nerfs

[half girder]

esp carnos in na3

[fresh laurel]

esp?

[half girder]

hackers

[fresh laurel]

oh

hacking just needs to be patched

but thats impossible

[keen plover]

Not much can be done. Hacks will always be in multiplayer games

[spring dagger]

Theres a new hack going around with deino where they suck you into them and grab you or bite you

[fresh laurel]

what

What

Just

are you sure it aint

lag

[spring dagger]

i dont know, i've not seen it myself but i've heard people talking about it and i felt like i was being pulled on EU1 but that was just desync

If that is a thing though that defo needs fixing

[sinful cove]

its an issue the game used to have, ive seen it happen with stegos recently too

[fresh laurel]

happens with ptera

if you pounce it as juvie utah

[sinful cove]

it isnt deino exclusive, once somebody attacks, the game may register you to be in a different spot than your screen shows, so you get sucked on to the attack

[spring dagger]

Fairs

I mean i lost my carno anyway to 10FPS lag and a stego teleported up to me and clipped my head so :c

gotta regrow that fucker which i cannot be fucked to do since theres barely an incentive

[fresh laurel]

sup

[spare badger]

sup

bary is a semi aquatic utah

[spring dagger]

We need a carnivore that can really deal with stego atm as well

[spare badger]

its official

[fresh laurel]

so utah will still be faster right

[spring dagger]

But i dont know what to suggest other than alberto or allo

[fresh laurel]

right?!

[spare badger]

only thing can do that is allo packs or rex

[spare badger]

should be

[spring dagger]

I mean i did say alberto given it's not very fast but has a fuck tonne of bite force

[fresh laurel]

wait for giga to teach stego a taste of its own medicine

[spring dagger]

God

[spare badger]

alberto is plenty fast

[spring dagger]

It's not going to be as fast as a tenonto or pachy

[spare badger]

no probably not

[fresh laurel]

I have good idea to fix stego being god rn

[spare badger]

but it should be pretty fast

[spring dagger]

which is the only thing i really give a shit about, Stego just needs some vcompetition

[fresh laurel]

reduce stego blood pool

[spare badger]

replace it with kentro

[fresh laurel]

that way utah can do its job of killing them...

[spring dagger]

Utah can't even do that since mega herds exist

[fresh laurel]

look man if devs listened stego wouldnt even be ingame

[fresh laurel]

but when oasis is removed then nerf stego blood pool

[spring dagger]

They wont remove oasis

It took them YEARS to remove party pond from thenyaw

[fresh laurel]

dont worry! jace will listen to our cries this time

[spare badger]

Bary is bigger than I thought

[fresh laurel]

indeed

[spare badger]

Maybe it just looks tall

[spring dagger]

cerato my man

[fresh laurel]

bary aint packing chonk

so cera might have chance

[spare badger]

Cera should be 60/40 against bary and carno

It should win
It's the brawler

[fresh laurel]

anniversary of giga concept being shown https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/651921544599175178/873850576633466960/image0.jpg

[spare badger]

Not the speed demon

[spring dagger]

Cera should be more visceral

It should be insanely hard to kill and pack alot of close range damage at the expense of speed

[spare badger]

Honey badger cera

[fresh laurel]

jaguar utah

[spare badger]

It should do stupid damage and bleed

[fresh laurel]

jaguar utah

[spare badger]

COUGH COUGH HERRARA

[fresh laurel]

ew no herrara is iguana

imagine not knowing that smh...

[spare badger]

....

[fresh laurel]

its in the skin tbh

[spare badger]

This should do crazy damage

And bleed too

[fresh laurel]

you say that but utah pounce looks like it would scare stego but if you see its dmg...

[spare badger]

Not on a stego obv

On a bary or a carno

[fresh laurel]

eh

[spring dagger]

I think a wrestle mechanic for cera would be fucking sick

Grab a stegos head and just tip it over

not sure how realistic that would be given its a fucking 6 tonne animal but i just hate stego atm

its too comfortable

[fresh laurel]

@dusky surge why not nerf stegos blood pool

[dusky surge]

because then it adds this extremely weird inconsistency

[fresh laurel]

how come

[dusky surge]

where literally every other animal has a blood pool consistent with their HP and weight

except stego

[fresh laurel]

but stego suffers from cant die

It needs a way to die in some manner

[spring dagger]

I am fairly certain that utah has a better blood pool than pachy.

[dusky surge]

not at all true

[fresh laurel]

doesnt

pachy takes longer to die to bleed than utah

[dusky surge]

the utah pin does less bleed and damage than the utah latch tho

[spring dagger]

The fuck it does?

[dusky surge]

and utahs pin other utahs

[spring dagger]

Bro

[fresh laurel]

doesnt make sense but ill roll with it

[spring dagger]

Regardless stego needs some fucking counter

It is too comfortable

[dusky surge]

NO I'M WRONG

[fresh laurel]

THANK YOU

YOU ADMIT IT

[dusky surge]

the real reason is that latch consumes WAY more base stam

[dusky surge]

the fuck you mean i admit it, i always admit when i'm wrong

[fresh laurel]

no wonder...

[fresh laurel]

eh not really

[dusky surge]

i mean pin FUCK

yea i do

[fresh laurel]

eh

[dusky surge]

unless it's something of purely opinion in which case

i'll say whatever the fuck i want

because it's an opinion

[fresh laurel]

you have yet to tell me why the carnivores rn shouldnt be able to hunt stego

[dusky surge]

never said that

just said i dont like nerfing stego's blood pool

[fresh laurel]

then what would you do

to fix stego being unchallenged rn

[dusky surge]

i mean

sounds more like a problem with the very existence of stego than something we can balance around

because stego kinda lives in an ecosystem where its two prime predators are a small pack predator and a small-game hunter which can't even lay a finger on it without copping a near-lethal death blow

[fresh laurel]

Then why not balance stego for a little until we get something that can fight it realistically

[dusky surge]

because your recommended way of doing it just makes the numbers annoyingly inconsistent

[fresh laurel]

I dont think we need to be super consistent for some things

since lots of people dont want stego removed than it needs something to hold it down

[dusky surge]

okay but when EVERY OTHER ANIMAL is consistent except stego

That'd just piss me off

[fresh laurel]

you remove stego

or just remember stego wasnt ready for the game

[dusky surge]

so your plan is to make stego inconsistent and then remove it what

just say "i want to remove stego" in your feedback post then lmao

[fresh laurel]

Im saying removing it is an option

but since people really want more playables then I feel stego needs to be held back

by something

[dusky surge]

i've had good luck trying to kill the thing with utahs

[fresh laurel]

I mean

[fresh laurel]

example of something strong in irl being held back in the game is deino

[spring dagger]

Not to be a dick, but you play NA servers right?

[dusky surge]

Sometimes, I wish I could play AU