That's if it can pick up the eggs, sure
#balance-feedback-discussion
dusky surge
even if it couldn't, i'd imagine it could use its beak to pierce the eggs shell and eat some of the insides (which could make for an interesting mechanic imho. Def not the worst suggestion someone has made for the beak to do lmao
spring dagger
Yeah I did say that, I don't think carnivores should be penalised for the sake of oh this body isn't on my diet and its a lucky find that's un guarded I cant eat it, especially when herbi diets are more spread out in which there's no guarantee you will find anything there, as for carni on carni combat that still entails significant risks, combat just needs fine tuning in general so it feels good, responsive and fair and it'll work
dusky surge
your suggestion is essentially removing diets tho
lmao
why have diets if its essentially starving vs not starving
stark lion
If you get all 3 nutrients from any body then what is the point of having set affects for 1 nutrient or 2 nutrients?
spring dagger
That's true, but I'd like to counter that with the diets system is a chore to play that doesn't feel fun atm cause the core mechanics of It aren't done, gore will expand diets significantly. There is no point in having effects from the nutrition as a whole atm since again, it's not done, and the fact that diets is advantageous significantly to herbivores makes it so that carnivores can't really recover from fights and keep up pressure, by the time you've healed half your HP the guy you're hunting is full health, carnivore on carnivore combat is a mess because of the dietary needs being poorly thought out. Removing diets or atleast remedying the issue for now will solve alot of match up problems and make fights fairer.
It was implemented too early and threw the entire game off balance imo.
dusky surge
i would rather carnivores actually have to engage rather than only herbivores engage with a mechanic that took fucking months to add and actively makes their growth harder
if you wanna remove diets so bad, all stats should stay at 0%, including growth boost
otherwise it's a vastly unfair advantage to have perfect diet stats 100% of the time
spring dagger
Well thats why you add the diminishing returns on smalls so you're forced to hunt big things to sustain yourself, it's not exactly an advantage to eat smalls cause they barely give anything
dusky surge
except that's not a fair request when animals like deino and carno are explicitly designed to hunt animals well below their size
spring dagger
That could be one of their abilities or gimmicks later down the line
There's no point talking about future balancing since updates are slow and there's no rapid progress
As for right now, deino is a useless playable that needs significant buffs to have any combat potential but that would make it too broken so its just stuck there I'm afraid, carno is an easy fix, just make the eating smalls thing apart of its toolkit.
Or just keep it the way it is and it'll self regulate
Which is what happens most of the time
fresh laurel
As for right now, deino is a useless playable that needs significant buffs to ha...
I think deino is fine stego and map make it bad
dusky surge
i would rather today's diets to your proposal. Just seems like a request to enable AFK growth for carnivores, except all throughout their lives, rather than just as juvis
spring dagger
No..? If people wanna AFK grow then they will do it anyway regardless since its so easy to do anyway especially as a herbivore
sinful cove
good evening, what i tonights awful subject
spring dagger
Dietsb
fresh laurel
Diets
dusky surge
gumby wants all meat to give all nutrients to carnivores
fresh laurel
Im just watching this tbh
spring dagger
Just read my suggestion
sinful cove
gumby wants all meat to give all nutrients to carnivores
damn so i could just afk inside a sea turtle as adult utah and get rewarded 
fresh laurel
Just read my suggestion
It aint bad
spring dagger
damn so i could just afk inside a sea turtle as adult utah and get rewarded <:TI...
I mean it's the same as herbis right? Sit in a Bush and afk until you're adult since your diet is so easy
fresh laurel
Seems like qa diets revamped
sinful cove
carnivores shouldnt have no diets, it would make more sense if they had prederred tissues like light meat, dark meat, organs, bones
spring dagger
Thats what I said, but as it stands right now it's not in the game and that system will take fucking forever to come into the fold
sinful cove
removing diets for carnis and keeping them for herbis would be shitty
tbh they should have waited on gore to add diets
dusky surge
i'd rather wait for gore with our current diets than have a system that essentially just makes carnivores the only animals played yet again
spring dagger
tbh they should have waited on gore to add diets
This
dusky surge
this is the largest i've ever seen the isle's herbi population ever
sinful cove
maybe add the diet foods before hand but not implement the stats and shit until gore
sinful cove
herbis can megapack and afk at oasis because all their food is crammed there its pretty lame
spring dagger
But only herbivores are played now since they are both so much more powerful and easier to grow compared to the carnivore roster
fresh laurel
True
spring dagger
And what the fuck is a deino gonna do? Run at you? GL
sinful cove
90% of a server's herbi population is almost always at oasis and occasionally there's a group at swamp
fresh laurel
Dont think carno who hunts smalls will cut it
spring dagger
These are all points I've brung up previously
sinful cove
herbi diet food has shitty distribution, it is in clumps around the map, some places on the map are barren of food on either plants, ai or both
fresh laurel
Because oasis is where the action is
Herbis kill my juvie utahs before i can eat lol
spring dagger
Herbi diets are just fucked
fresh laurel
Herbis cant starve...
sinful cove
also finding mushrooms are like striking gold on this damn game, i get that hypsi is a throwaway dino rn but still damn lol
fresh laurel
Kinda unfair
spring dagger
Diets in general aren't engaging in the fucking slightest either
Its a management of timers instead of mechanics, it's just hunger with extra steps
fresh laurel
Diets in general aren't engaging in the fucking slightest either
You can still afk with it lol
spring dagger
Exactly
sinful cove
diets rn are either afk once you find a spot with 2 nutrient plants, hang out at oasis for a deathmatch, or kill a sea turtle or something and afk by the body until youre adult or sub
spring dagger
So then giving carnis an equal playing field through the proposed diet changes even if it is a temporary fix would remedy alot of the issues with combat
sinful cove
i want to explore but i dont want to travel where my food for some damn reason doesnt spawn even though its designated biome is all over
fresh laurel
Bruh
dusky surge
imo, diets should've come in plant clusters depending on where you are
For example
Plain A contains plentiful Plant A, minor amounts of Plant B and no Plant C
Whereas plain B contains plentiful plant C, minor amounts of plant A and no plant B
This makes herbis both compete for scarce plants in a certain biome and migrate to collect different plants, and still be able to survive in a single biome comfortably with two nutrients.
spring dagger
They should divide the map into quadrants that have a higher yield for plants
sinful cove
i cna explore if i want to be punished by losing my diet perks and yes, WHY do we dehydrate so fast?
spring dagger
Or varying yields for plants
fresh laurel
i cna explore if i want to be punished by losing my diet perks and yes, WHY do w...
Cus deino mains begged
sinful cove
by the time i leave a river and get back to wherever my food is back im already starting to get thirsty again
sinful cove
Cus deino mains begged
i like how they didnt fix the actual problems with deino instead
abundant shallows and riverside wallowing's removal
sinful cove
i lowkey feel bad for deinos and still drink at normal rivers but ive never died to one
spring dagger
Deino will forever be a terrible playable because of this mindset the devs have with it
sinful cove
cus theyre all desperately waiting near swmp or center
dusky surge
deinos are such a cool idea and they suck so bad
spring dagger
Nah man hard disagree
dusky surge
its gotten to the point where deinos are so desperate i drink at random rivers and get away with it
fresh laurel
deinos are such a cool idea and they suck so bad
Evrima selling point some might say
sinful cove
its gotten to the point where deinos are so desperate i drink at random rivers a...
exactly lol
spring dagger
Fucking garbage idea, it's just BOB mosa with legs
sinful cove
a couple days ago i was drinkin and while i was turning back around i see a deino speeding towards me, poor bastard was probably starving
fresh laurel
Add more fish to fix deino for a little...
sinful cove
elite fish just delay your death as adult deino
sinful cove
and you still lose hunger while eating the little fish
dusky surge
i, and tons of mates, really enjoy deino conceptually
dusky surge
some people hate it but that's because many animals aren't for everyone
sinful cove
i like the big alligator but it is sad rn
fresh laurel
some people hate it but that's because many animals aren't for everyone
Look i would main deino but shallows...
dusky surge
yea
sinful cove
But we got humans with flashlights
the humans with flashlights that can help bully deino
spring dagger
a job well done
fresh laurel
the humans with flashlights that can help bully deino <:TI_Troll:472576085482143...
Bruh we all know its compy
Smh
sinful cove
i like how they didnt bother adding a compass for humans like when they said barebones they meant it
spring dagger
Makes you wonder why even fucking add humans
It's like playing firewatch or dear ester
fresh laurel
i like how they didnt bother adding a compass for humans like when they said bar...
Legit humans in irl cant smell ig
sinful cove
hey humans are cool but i'd prefer a game that works
fresh laurel
Id prefer a balanced game first
spring dagger
I'd prefer more dinos over stinky humans
sinful cove
im glad we got humans in the testing phase but there ar a lot of problems that have been around for a while that still arent fixed
sinful cove
i enjoyed playing human because you could surprise people by kicking them to death lol
fresh laurel
And human climbing
spring dagger
I hope to got humans get some conan exiles tier shit where they can climb trees
That was the best thing in that game
fresh laurel
I hope to got humans get some conan exiles tier shit where they can climb trees
Or give em a ar and see...
spring dagger
Or give em a ar and see...
.50 beowulf config AR
Sat there all gamered out with nogs and 14 tac lights for extra visibility
sinful cove
by the time humans hit live i hope they have a compass and a knife at least. a bit tedious using longitude/latitude to tell where i'm heading lol
spring dagger
Why are they even naked
They're fucking mercs
Atleast have like a 9mm and a knife
fresh laurel
by the time humans hit live i hope they have a compass and a knife at least. a b...
I cant even copy and paste on gfn...
spring dagger
It wouldn't be OP because ostriches n shit can survive 2.80 british so
Which is about the equivalent of 30-06
fresh laurel
It wouldn't be OP because ostriches n shit can survive 2.80 british so
Now imagine a utah army vs humans
spring dagger
That would be sick
sinful cove
I cant even copy and paste on gfn...
I mean checking the longitude after running a bit to see if it has me going east or west. im too lazy for the map lol
spring dagger
I hope to God they don't go with the experimental sci fi shit tho
That shits wack
And I hope they have travel time on the bullets instead of hit scan
sinful cove
Dont expect too much from the isle
I expect phantom bullets that’ll hit your ass and register as a headshot 
dusky surge
Legit humans in irl cant smell ig
i cant smell irl so it seemed pretty realistic to me
dusky surge
i hate pizza so idc lmao
dusky surge
i cant smell bad or good
ocean wagon
Please give dryo some sort of rabbit or kangaroo kick. I would love nothing more than to round house kick some sub adult utah or juvi carno in the face that tries me.
Maybe even keep the dodge attack as some sort of ALT attack or make the kick attack the ALT attack
dusky surge
please don't do that, i really want dryo to get anything but a new attack lmao
placid reef
muh every dino has to be combat ready, devs pls
wise sparrow
Omnidirectional dryo dodge
ocean wagon
please don't do that, i really want dryo to get anything but a new attack lmao
Why not though? The kick could be stationary so it’s not too OP towards smaller creatures
placid reef
its not a fighter firstly
dusky surge
not because the attack is OP
dryo having a new attack would legit be worthless. It'd be still too weak to deal with a utah or a carno, it'd just be a nice cosmetic attack that still gets it killed, plus, it completely defeats the purpose of dryo being a little evasive fucker
ocean wagon
But there are small carnivores such as herrera troodon mono and velo that dryo could use it on. And larger creatures such as dilo and utah, dryo could run from and use its dodge/agility to escape from. Think of it as a rabbit, rabbits are definitely animals that prefer to run but they’ll still kick a small snake to death sometimes if it tries to attack them
The attack doesn’t even need to do a lot of damage, maybe something like a small stun
placid reef
why fight in the first place just fuckin run
ocean wagon
You could have kids you need to protect
placid reef
life is cruel ik
ocean wagon
Like I’m not disagreeing that most altercations dryo should run from threats because that should be your number one defense. But when things like nesting comes into play Dryos realistically have no way of defending their kids or themselves if a juvi carno decides to pull up
dusky surge
If I have kids I'm gonna go out there and bring food back to the burrow I'm occupying so they don't die, not fight off our aggressors
ocean wagon
Are Dryos still going to burrowing creatures?
dusky surge
Apparently?
ocean wagon
I thought they were scrapping that for ervima
Ew, burrow dryo sounds lame
You’re just a giant taco at that point
placid reef
rabbits to merc their babies if they sense danger 
dusky surge
Ehh, having dryo being a smaller shitty galli would piss me off honestly
Nocturnal plains rabbit niche when
ocean wagon
Ehh, having dryo being a smaller shitty galli would piss me off honestly
Isn’t Gali going to have a dirt kicking attack that confuses its attackers?
dusky surge
And be an omnivore, and probably have a kick attack, yes
ocean wagon
I thought it was just going to be an egg swallower in the terms of it being an omnivore
dusky surge
Indeed
However, in comparison to a dryo who can kick, galli sounds literally infinitely cooler
ocean wagon
Well if it’s only going to eat eggs as an omnivore, the only reason it would need to kick something would to break open an egg
Which would be different from a jump in place kick like how a kangaroo does for dryo
Which would be a last effort self defense method
The most a gali would be able to kick would maybe be a utah
dusky surge
Dryo can't even do that lmao
ocean wagon
Dryo can't even do that lmao
Jump in place and kick?
dusky surge
Do jackshit to a utah
ocean wagon
Do jackshit to a utah
I stated before that dryo should be running from things like utah
dusky surge
Even though galli is faster
So you can pick the faster, stronger, more engaging, more varied diet animal with a plethora of tools from kicks to dustcloud smokescreens in order to make a quick getaway with eggs, or from a nasty predator
Or you can pick dryo, which is basically it's shittier little cousin
spare badger
Which is why it should be nocturnal
dusky surge
Nocturnal boy yes
spare badger
Give it a different playstyle
It should only worry about fighting Troodon and such which is why I want it to have a more damaging kick attack
ocean wagon
Hmm idk I feel like Gali should be fast running in straight lines and not too agile. And should only have the ablility to kick up dirt. While dryo should be the slower of the two who is much more agile able to defend itself from things half its size if need be. Gali for the plain and dryo for the jungles IMO
spare badger
Galli is going to be fast and agile but have mediocre acceleration iirc
ocean wagon
My thing is if you give dryo burrowing, literally no one will play the smaller burrowing creatures with maybe the exception of that small semi aquatic anky thing
spare badger
Our burrowers are: minmi, dryo, proto, ava (I think), megalania and probably taco
ocean wagon
No taco or ory?
spare badger
I did say prob taco idk abt oro
barren oracle
And be an omnivore, and probably have a kick attack, yes
Secretary bird
barren oracle
My thing is if you give dryo burrowing, literally no one will play the smaller b...
That’s cause burrowings boring
crystal drum
@nimble flare 4 pounces to kill a stego even with bucking is weak? Please exsplain
Either way I don't think anyone is going to convince me that Uthas are not the strongest dino in the game atm. but please do explain how Utha pounce is weak
placid reef
utah beeing weak? 
tf.. like i believe when people say the herbis are much stronger so utah becomes bad but bruh
crystal drum
Idk man im curious to know why he think so
placid reef
like if you get a pack of 4 and all ambush it fast enough you should be able to kill it, maybe 1 dies or smth
crystal drum
Hes point int he post is basically "Carnos can charge multiple times in a fight"
:^)
And that bucking is aparntly to strong
placid reef
if a carno charges in a fight and does smth with that there are bigger problems here
half girder
utah is fine lol who said it was bad?
barren oracle
Utah’s are strong. Herbis are stronger
placid reef
the only carni you can say is weak is maybe carno but kinda hard when herbis just shit on everybody
half girder
we need cera asap
crystal drum
I don't even think carnos are that weak tbh. The only thing i wish for them is longer lasting food
placid reef
i mean my only problem with carno is that by design they are flawed
crystal drum
How so?
placid reef
they are meant to be a small game hunter yet turn like a cruise ship with no steering wheel
crystal drum
Well from what i heard of paliontologist talking about them they suposedly had really crapp turning
placid reef
they did hunt small game as much as bigger game so they def had good enough turning, plus my idea is that they can turn fast for like adjustments but ifd they missed and try to 180 or smth along those lines they suck ass at it
crystal drum
The only thing i can think about being a reasonable change to them is for them to be able to start a charge from crouch
I think tenos would probably be around the reasonable size they would hunt and probably in packs
right now the teno v carno matchup actually seems pretty fine
maybe give the carno some more hp to play around with
Anything biger then that seems like it would be aaa bit out of its league
placid reef
made this diagram to show, it can turn very fast for angles that are not that big (grey) but for angles that are drastic (red) they turn like rn, they do that skid of theirs, also alow them to accelerate faster, so their great speed plus better agility for quick small turns would allow them to be somewhat effective as plains small game hunters, ofc the map needs to allow that too... so 50% there and failing the ambush would provide that slide it does, you have one shot but the marging for error are now much better for you
fresh laurel
made this diagram to show, it can turn very fast for angles that are not that bi...
Utahs gonna have a pain with that
I think accel is fine tbh
I think carno problems stem from charge
placid reef
Utahs gonna have a pain with that
i mean if a utah gets caught by carno in plains thats their fault, its the idea that you have to be very caucious, he missed he failed the whole hunt since he lacks the turning to change directions fast
fresh laurel
i mean if a utah gets caught by carno in plains thats their fault, its the idea ...
Utah should still escape tbh since most preys are in plains
I mean
Unless devs put more diet plants in forest
placid reef
same for every small from the ones that are agile, many do not live in plains and the ones that can live there too/ go there are not forced to like carno, beeing unaware is punished by carno
fresh laurel
Problem is
Utah is bad in forest
Causing utahs to be forced to plains
What im saying is
Add more reason to be in forest
placid reef
Utah should still escape tbh since most preys are in plains
im not taking in consideration problems/ isssues/ bugs of the game with balancing, i take the ideal state, existant or not, either ideal as in bug free, what the devs said the game would be like etc, and the game is to have each dino in their biomes etc
placid reef
Utah is bad in forest
how so? the only thing that made utah garbage in forests is not in the game anymore, trees do not affect pounce
fresh laurel
how so? the only thing that made utah garbage in forests is not in the game anym...
It does...
tiny prawn
at least fix the ai spawns not just at restart there times when there are no ai any where
fresh laurel
at least fix the ai spawns not just at restart there times when there are no ai ...
Yea
placid reef
It does...
did you report the bug?
fresh laurel
If you make carno have such easy ways to catch smaller tiers
Then no point being them
I think charge should get fixes instead
placid reef
it wouldnt be easy, smalls aren well small so harder to spot, have the most agility in the game by default, great speed and evasion capabilities and many live in other biomes or have great options to escape, burrows, trees, dodge for dryo (if the rework is any good), spit for hypsi (if it ever gets reworked), see carno is meant to be a small game hunter, he sucks when turning in any substantial way but adjustments should be done fast, with how fast smalls can change direction there is huge room for human error reason for the garbage turn for those quick wide turns
placid reef
Not yet
ye thats what i mean, you dont take bugs when balancing smth, they happen no matter what, its a shame but thats how developing anything is
fresh laurel
ye thats what i mean, you dont take bugs when balancing smth, they happen no mat...
Bug happens randomly
Like hard to know when to record
placid reef
sounds like the isle
placid reef
Like hard to know when to record
cant you use shadowplay? or whatever amd calls their version
fresh laurel
it wouldnt be easy, smalls aren well small so harder to spot, have the most agil...
Then how about for climbing and burrows to come
placid reef
i mean i dont count hypsi and dryo as both are unfinished with dire need to reworks too, dryo is getting one with dodge but hypsi def needs one for spit
placid reef
but in general the roles i take in consideration
fresh laurel
Could help hypsi
And utah
Id just see how carno does with a fixed charge before any buff or nerfs
placid reef
Could help hypsi
def, which burrow and climbing i bet will be u7/u8 as those are some of last essential mechanics to be added
placid reef
Id just see how carno does with a fixed charge before any buff or nerfs
wait whats its problem? desync or smth?
fresh laurel
wait whats its problem? desync or smth?
Ye
Also its too loud
So you cant ambush
All that thumping...
Also stam cost is eh
Devs want carno to use ram as much as utah pounces
placid reef
imo i like the idea of audio queues, when they are used on a defensive creature, like when pachy fully charges a ram you get a clear audible noise, clear sign to not fuck around, stuff like this, carnis dont need this
fresh laurel
Eh
Carno kinda does
Hear me out
You see a utah or something
You start running
And you get heard and dodged
I think just removing the weird grrr sound would help
placid reef
plus the whole way to counter carno is visually, you are in plains afterall, its fast and kinda agile (going by my idea above), so someone sitting that isnt aware of their surroundings is essnetially dead
placid reef
I think just removing the weird grrr sound would help
that weird roar he does when charging?
placid reef
ye that sound is ehh
placid reef
im fine with the footsteps, well outside of how inconsistent they are, especially that your own are louder thna 99% of the game
fresh laurel
im fine with the footsteps, well outside of how inconsistent they are, especiall...
That needs some adjusting
placid reef
Removing it would make plains scarier
not really, it still cant get any of the smalls and the 3 herbis are able to deal with it, plus 2 of them arent even supposed to be in plains
fresh laurel
Herbis
Are just a problem
Ok i guess
Carno turning area could get a slight increase
placid reef
teno just needs like a few adjustments, like lower slam damage and someone hadt he idea to have tail fracture (not as hard as pachy) and the kick to stun
fresh laurel
I remembered how they turn so bad that is takes one circle around them
fresh laurel
teno just needs like a few adjustments, like lower slam damage and someone hadt ...
Remove tailslam stun but add fracture and give kick stun
Kick is underused by tenos
placid reef
Carno turning area could get a slight increase
they need to hunt small game afterall, the problme that carno before had was that it turned quick all the time and when it did slide it did nothing and had great acceleration
fresh laurel
But ngl tailslam oneshotting utahs thx to stun is funky
placid reef
Kick is underused by tenos
i mean, it does nothing so understandable
placid reef
at least it beeing the stun tool and slam to punish gives it more skill and versatility
plus the stun will be less bs bc kick, you need to get close to get kicked, so its a risk reward
fresh laurel
they need to hunt small game afterall, the problme that carno before had was tha...
Back when dryo was faster than utah and when utah was 1000kg or hp i forget
But after great lord of nerfs
placid reef
Back when dryo was faster than utah and when utah was 1000kg or hp i forget
utah was never 1t in evrima
placid reef
hp was always tied to weight
fresh laurel
No
Weight used to be its own stat
Then they combined it to make balancing "easier"
placid reef
hp beeing weight is good, imo bleed should be its own, allows them to change who is weak to bleed etc
fresh laurel
hp beeing weight is good, imo bleed should be its own, allows them to change who...
Think thats a thing?
They could increase blood pools of creatures
Or nerf
placid reef
nope, bleed = weight now, which is pretty dumb imo, its not like its a healthbar people see so making it standalone can alow for a lot of balance options, like making carno turn faster but weak to bleed etc
fresh laurel
Explain a bit more
placid reef
what part
fresh laurel
I dont understand how bleed is tied to weight
placid reef
stego has 6000kg, so both hp and bleedpool are equal to it, 6000 hp and 6000 bleedpool points
placid reef
so if you heard before that current bleed is just legacy bleed with extra steps thats what it meant
fresh laurel
Its true
placid reef
No wonder utahs cant be bothered to bleed them
the funny part, deino, 4th largest carni in the game, also has bleed resistance bc cant wallow
like the fucker will even die from bleed
placid reef
not like you can tell
fresh laurel
I was pouncing a adult for like 10 mins until it started really wanting to get away from me
It was bleed non stop
I kept biting tail tip
placid reef
which i really hope gore fixes this, im fine if it works like it does now as long as you can tell how bad it is, for you and the person bleeding
placid reef
i hope it does
fresh laurel
Imagine giga being able to rip chunks of flesh off you
Causing intense bleed or just trama
placid reef
im really curious how they do the corpse part of gore bc for me its just sounds like hell to model/animate
placid reef
yes
fresh laurel
If so bone marrow would be like grazing for carbis
Like get hella nutrients but low food amounts
placid reef
i hope it brings scars too, i really like the idea but ik many others dont so if its just a setting in the menu im happy
placid reef
Scars need remake
well thats what gore would do but i mean permanent scars, like think what PoT did recently
fresh laurel
I think permenant scars could work
Helps show if someone is a great battle survivor
placid reef
If so bone marrow would be like grazing for carbis
that'd be like just rex and deino who could break bones
placid reef
Helps show if someone is a great battle survivor
ye, but ik many others dont like the idea bc they like their dinos clean so maybe just a setting in the menu, tho it might be just an advantage to have it on so they'll just have to learn to like it
fresh laurel
But hadrosaurus and stuff would be bone breaking dino exclusive
fresh laurel
ye, but ik many others dont like the idea bc they like their dinos clean so mayb...
Clean dino...
Heh
Clean dino...
In a survival game
Where you roll in mud
And swim in unclean water...
placid reef
they are animals, pretty sure they dont care about how the water is, as long as its not black
placid reef
i generally love the idea of permanent scras but theres also a limit to how they work, like no broken horn or stuff like that personally
fresh laurel
No one said to go that far
Just simple stuff
Like location scars that even a roblox game managed to do
placid reef
some did think that... why i said some hate the idea bc we dont really know if we get scars how much they would impact
fresh laurel
I mean
placid reef
Like location scars that even a roblox game managed to do
best example might be PoT (one good thing i can say about the game)
placid reef
nor they should, scars are just aesthetic with slight aid in game
placid reef
what
fresh laurel
They seem to be unchallenged
placid reef
well one is just in the wrong place and time, and the other 2 are overtuned
placid reef
one has design flaws and the other is... troubled
placid reef
they did?
fresh laurel
Like 3.75
Massuve nerf update
They decided to nerf dryo and hypsi of all things
And ptera
placid reef
in what way?
fresh laurel
in what way?
Also nerfed their hp
Because apparently hypsi and dryo were too strong
placid reef
i heard o dryos killing adult utahs with somewhat ease but nothing for hypsi
fresh laurel
i heard o dryos killing adult utahs with somewhat ease but nothing for hypsi
Dryo could fight back yea
But utah could pin them
And do more dmg
But hypsi was a what moment
hollow canyon
They decided to nerf dryo and hypsi of all things
Rightly so, Dryo was completely overtuned at the time
75N Dryo was such a joke
3.75 was the patch where the devs finally decided to get the stats of animals in line with what their sizes imply
placid reef
wait.. it had a higher dmg than utah?!
hollow canyon
Yeah, it was completely absurd how strong Dryo was
placid reef
i am completely dumbfounded
hollow canyon
I personally wasn't that into playing it but from the short time when I did play it I'd just run into packs of Carnos/Utahs, kill their juvies and subadults and run away with impunity because they were incapable of hitting a Dryo, unless you got hit with a pounce you pretty much weren't going to die while doing this.
I know people who killed Stegos utilising Dryo swarms
I don't think I have a picture of it anymore but I've once posted it somewhere here I think
it was showing how much hp a group of Dryos took out from a Stego from the moment they got to it until it got back up from sitting
and it was way too much
fresh laurel
Yeah, it was completely absurd how strong Dryo was
Wait what
Dont remember that but ok...
hollow canyon
Because you probably didn't abuse it
I know of like 2 or 3 people on this discord that spoke about it and cared to play it at the time
placid reef
i only remember it bc you mentioned it some time ago
hollow canyon
I know a couple more on other discords
and those folks were much more into abusing this stuff although I don't think they did it on officials all that much
fresh laurel
Did utah have higher bite back then tho?
hollow canyon
Yea
fresh laurel
Lile 100n
hollow canyon
Utah had 130N
fresh laurel
Yea
hollow canyon
Carno 350N
placid reef
wasnt that pounce?
fresh laurel
So dryo wasnt higher
hollow canyon
No
Dryo was never higher than Utah
it was higher than the current Utah
that's what Khaens was laughing at
hollow canyon
That's honestly perfectly reasonable imo
Utah should bite harder
pounce should do less though imo
fresh laurel
Yea
placid reef
and bleed better with bite
fresh laurel
Juvie giga bites harder than utah
hollow canyon
making each animal this reliant on one attack is just ugh
fresh laurel
XD
hollow canyon
Juvie Giga isn't even in the game
but if it was it would very likely bite harder than Utah regardless
fresh laurel
Utah bite should let it put pressure since its a chore to dodge and get a solid bite
placid reef
making each animal this reliant on one attack is just ugh
hey, at least from what i hear you can kill pachys with bite bc they negate pounce in general, wish granted 
hollow canyon
a 25% grown Giga would already be larger than a Utah
hollow canyon
In general the biteforce nerf to all the small stuff was necessary
fresh laurel
Legit stego bite hurts more
hollow canyon
Tenonto remains the only outlier that hasn't gotten nerfed as of now
I mean it has but the community screeched about it so much that the devs reverted that nerf(admittedly it did need some compensatory buffs when it got hit with that nerf)
letting the 1.6t animal keep this absurd damage output
placid reef
lets screech for good carno and utah 
hollow canyon
I don't think people are that unanimous in terms of their support of Utah and Carno
hollow canyon
when Tenonto was nerfed pretty much everyone aside from a handful of people agreed that it needed some help
placid reef
I don't think people are that unanimous in terms of their support of Utah and Ca...
old habbits die slow
fresh laurel
when Tenonto was nerfed pretty much everyone aside from a handful of people agre...
Was cus carno bodied it lol
hollow canyon
Carno bodied it hard yea
fresh laurel
But utah now...
hollow canyon
Carno got nerfed hard since then though and Tenonto's nerf got reverted
fresh laurel
Is kinda boring
placid reef
Carno got nerfed hard since then though and Tenonto's nerf got reverted
carno got overnerfed
fresh laurel
Nah utah did
hollow canyon
Utah's better than it was before the MT
I do think it's still kind of bad
but at the same time
fresh laurel
Because a move legit didnt work
placid reef
we legit basically just asked for some turn nerfs and we got a whole essay of nerfs
fresh laurel
Like did not
hollow canyon
I think it's the turn nerfs that screwed Carno the most
biteforce nerf was alright
Carno shouldn't be dealing much damage
fresh laurel
we legit basically just asked for some turn nerfs and we got a whole essay of ne...
Ppl asked to nerf utah hp from 1k to lower but devs said 450 take it or leave it
Never heard ppl say utah bit too hard tho
hollow canyon
People asked for a nerf to Utah's health because its hp pool was overbloated, it had half the hp of Carno/Tenonto despite being a third/fourth of their size
fresh laurel
Yea
hollow canyon
which also kept the damage outputs of everything bloated
placid reef
I think it's the turn nerfs that screwed Carno the most
well they where needed but not to this extent like holly fuck did the devs forget what carno was supposed to be... well ig ik the answear to that
hollow canyon
I disagree, I don't think Carno should've gotten its turn rate nerfed at all
I've never had issues getting away from a Carno as a Utah prior to the nerf
placid reef
I disagree, I don't think Carno should've gotten its turn rate nerfed at all
in general, stationary or running/charge?
fresh laurel
I disagree, I don't think Carno should've gotten its turn rate nerfed at all
It needed that nef
hollow canyon
in general
placid reef
imo carnos slide was the problem, it was way to fucking short
fresh laurel
At all
hollow canyon
If someone was dying to a Carno prior to that nerf as a Utah or Dryo then they simply had to l2p
fresh laurel
Hear me out
hollow canyon
The only times I ever died to Carno was when I actually tried to fight it
fresh laurel
475 hp utah with 75n dmg
hollow canyon
which admittedly - Utah couldn't solo a Carno, but it hasn't stopped me from trying a couple of times
fresh laurel
To help deal with smalls easier
fresh laurel
which admittedly - Utah couldn't solo a Carno, but it hasn't stopped me from try...
Took 2 utahs to beat carno in update 2
hollow canyon
I mean I think 475hp Utah with 75N would be already
fresh laurel
If you avoided bites
hollow canyon
Oh on update 2 it was a bit different
fresh laurel
I mean I think 475hp Utah with 75N would be already
Already?
hollow canyon
On update 2 I actually almost managed to solo a Carno once until pounce bugged out and got me suspended mid-air
fresh laurel
Devs lowered utah from 500kg to 450 to stop it from pinning pachy but 475 wpuld be a hp buff that still limits pinning pachy
hollow canyon
I died cause I couldn't move and didn't touch the game for a long time when that happened
hollow canyon
Devs lowered utah from 500kg to 450 to stop it from pinning pachy but 475 wpuld ...
Personally I'd probably buff it to 500kg and buff Pachy to 510 or 501kg for that matter
fresh laurel
I have a idea for a utah move to fix dumb nuck insta stam go delete
hollow canyon
but that's just me
placid reef
god i remember in u2 when balancing was clear, 2 utahs for 1 carno, simple, effective and it amde sense, max group of 3 carnos max group of 6 utahs, then in u3 everything went downhill
fresh laurel
And hold lmb to do pounce attacks
placid reef
Personally I'd probably buff it to 500kg and buff Pachy to 510 or 501kg for that...
550
fresh laurel
Holding rmb to latch would let you brace a buck
fresh laurel
Personally I'd probably buff it to 500kg and buff Pachy to 510 or 501kg for that...
510
hollow canyon
550 is way too much imo, it would require Carno's biteforce to go up
fresh laurel
525 actally
placid reef
550 is way too much imo, it would require Carno's biteforce to go up
i mean i would do that too
hollow canyon
and I think Carno's bite is alright where it is
hollow canyon
Carno bite is perfect for smalls
it wouldn't be if you buffed Pachy's health up to 550/525
you add an additional bite there
which is a big change
fresh laurel
you add an additional bite there
Then 510
hollow canyon
510 keeps it at the same number of htk
hollow canyon
It's an enormous difference, besides the only reason why I'd want to buff Pachy would be to keep it from getting pinned by Utah, I don't think this animal needs to be more tanky at all
fresh laurel
As long as my man utah can live a good life of 500 hp and 75n bite then ill be happy
475 hp is fine too ig
Also these buffs
Would increase raptor pupulation
Causing more utah packs
Less pachy overload i hope
placid reef
just giving it more health or damage wont help with numbers if the creature still isnt viable
fresh laurel
Wonder what wavepool would say to this
fresh laurel
just giving it more health or damage wont help with numbers if the creature stil...
It could
Utah pounce is fine rn
Its just once you get low stam
You become useless
fresh laurel
75n wouldnt be over kill im pretty sure
placid reef
Utah pounce is fine rn
its not utah the problem but everything else
fresh laurel
its not utah the problem but everything else
Maybe
Like stego blood pool...
Teno and pachy stun lock
placid reef
75n wouldnt be over kill im pretty sure
or underkill, reason for testing if it would even change anything major
fresh laurel
or underkill, reason for testing if it would even change anything major
Thing is
If i said something big
Like 100n
People would instantly think that pachy will lose
And get mad
placid reef
hear me out, make bite 65N and give it better bleed
fresh laurel
I think at that point
Give it a claw attack
For more bleed less dmg
Bite being more dmg less bleed
placid reef
alt i think has some claw action
placid reef
Bite being more dmg less bleed
its teeth are made for bleeding so not really
fresh laurel
its teeth are made for bleeding so not really
Utah teeth irl?
placid reef
Utah teeth irl?
ye
placid reef
we dont have realism like that here, but reason for, make bite better at bleed and sligthly up the damage
so you can pounce for massive bleed and bite to keep it active
fresh laurel
we dont have realism like that here, but reason for, make bite better at bleed a...
But
Why not make more diversity
We could do decent bleed on bite but overall have it be for dmg to keep pressure
placid reef
we can get more diversity with claws and pounce kinda
fresh laurel
Alt can be bleed if low stam
fresh laurel
we can get more diversity with claws and pounce kinda
Yea
Like seeing utah use its broken hands more would be cool
placid reef
fresh laurel
https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/9138587368...
I thought it was prefect
placid reef
diversify its combat while still keeping it a bleeder, plus imo, every playable might aswell get cc in some way
placid reef
but it only lasts just a bit longer than the time it takes to apply it (animation), and more of a tool to position yourself
fresh laurel
Or be broken in their fighting styles
fresh laurel
but it only lasts just a bit longer than the time it takes to apply it (animatio...
Best part is
Makes utah have something cool about it
placid reef
yep
fresh laurel
Like pounce and bite still pretty bland...
You see pachy and teno
And its like bruh
Plus utah could use this to counter a buck if you think about it
placid reef
kick adds character while the other 2 are the effective ones
fresh laurel
kick adds character while the other 2 are the effective ones
Utah could always get alt bite reanimation for more character
Always looked akward to me tbh
placid reef
it looked more like a 3 call to me lmao, like deino 3 call
fresh laurel
it looked more like a 3 call to me lmao, like deino 3 call
Ikr
I thought when alt bite first came into evrima that it would be the basic attack
half girder
i like it, i dodge carno bites
spring dagger
Fuck wrong channel
Bro dude bro it's totally winnable for utah, just dont pounce and run away
Remove every active component of carnivore playstyle and do the opposite of what you're meant to
sinful cove
Bruh 3.413 that shit would 2 shot stego are you on crack lmao
dusky surge
That’s fucking stupidly ridiculous, especially for ALBERTO
The more I talk to this man, the more I am convinced he just fucking hates herbivores
Also passive fractures on bite too
Like he complains about pachy destroying anyone they touch and then proposes an instant death god animal that can one-tap anything that isn’t a stegosaurus or a deino that can also fracture, just in case the stego thought it could escape the second bite
dusky surge
I forgot
alpine plover
It will ruin my Jurassic park carnivore killing fantasy
dusky surge
Can’t believe this man hates the JP Utah, seeing how he wants herbis and carnis to interact
alpine plover
Imagine how OP fracture bites would be, universally
just have 20 utahs bite your tailtip and you suffer legbreak
dusky surge
Fracture bites are fine, but only with VERY low fracture damage or on very specific animals
dusky surge
Obviously, fracture should be more down the line of deino or Rex
alpine plover
especially the fracture king himself, the rex
I dunno, just seems to me that he got hit by a pachy and needs to cope a little more
Just an observation
placid reef
Bruh 3.413 that shit would 2 shot stego are you on crack lmao
wait what... where
alpine plover
idk why its so funny to me that they got these damage values wrong
dusky surge
Those are, very wrong
placid reef
pachy and utah is 3 lel
alpine plover
175 x 3
25 over pachys health, 3 bites to kill
175 x 10
150 over tenos health, barely 10 bites to kill, not 8 lol
placid reef
like maybe it wasnt a fully grown teno... but that doesnt explain how he got more for pachy.. maybe bad diets lol
alpine plover
it doesnt matter what hes experienced in game because its just basic math anyway
placid reef
math do be hard /s
alpine plover
not 3 digit multiplication bruh
quaint merlin
so vevvy hward
dusky surge
Regardless, I still don’t see why the next carnivore HAS to be a direct answer to stego. Hell, troodon could surprise you with its venom, NV and large packs
But going “cera bad because it doesn’t solve the stego problem” is ridiculous
spring dagger
bruh, those are the figures
i was abit like yo wtf it does 3.4kn a bite
thats abit fucked
barren oracle
But going “cera bad because it doesn’t solve the stego problem” is ridiculous
"stego problem"
We should of got kentro 😿
crystal drum
Ceras shuld be pretty damn decent against stegos. Going of the asumption that the per bite and acceleration of sharp turns are better
I figure 2 ceras shuld be more then capable of taking down a stego
dusky surge
ehhh
it's a 1.2 ton animal vs a 6 ton animal
and 1.2 tons is being generous for cera
very unlikely it will do much against stego
dusky surge
its nothing like that
crystal drum
Yeah it is though XD
dusky surge
cera isn't like utah
first of all, it's not got the speed of a utah. It'd fall well behind speed-wise, being a brawler focused carnivore. Secondly, it likely won't have nearly as lethal a bleed as utah. Also, it can't pounce, which renders utahs unable to be attacked by their victim. Its also got a much larger hitbox
Cera hasn't got the tools to approach safely, the tools to kill or the tools to avoid the attacks
crystal drum
they are faster wym they dont have tools to aproach XD
dusky surge
ceras are absolutely not faster than utahs
crystal drum
Then stegos
wise sparrow
they are faster wym they dont have tools to aproach XD
They are to chunky and still dont have the raw damage to kill a good stego. Utahs kill with bleed and large packs, something cera doesn't have
alpine plover
Cera almost gets 1 shot by steg of we go with its 1.3T estimate
dusky surge
considering steg's damage
alpine plover
Steg's thag does like 1250
alpine plover
Would leave Cera with 50 HP
wise sparrow
Imagine they release cera with legacy bleed resistance
dusky surge
body is basically right next to dead
alpine plover
Cera def can kill sub Stegos tho which Carno struggles
dusky surge
i guess?
crystal drum
I really do think 2 ceras shuld be able to kill a stego
alpine plover
I see Cera able to deal with sub stegs better rhan Carno cuz it can take more hits and also unlike Carno actually can manouver around it
crystal drum
Well its a mute point for both of us untill its released
wise sparrow
I really do think 2 ceras shuld be able to kill a stego
Thatd be ridicules. Its literally a corpse bully pseudo mid teir scavenger
alpine plover
Not even 3-4 Cera's should attack a full or near full grown stego imo
dusky surge
cera is
A: not a hunter, it's a bully scavenger brawler
B: literally almost 1/5th of stego
stego being hunted by cera is already absurd
crystal drum
Yo think about it
alpine plover
-_- I don't like this notion of it not being a Hunter
dusky surge
because it defeats the entire point of cera
wise sparrow
Cera vs stego is like an elephant vs a coyote
wise sparrow
whats the main issue with carnos v stegos
Steg is 10 times its size?
crystal drum
its not the damage output its the fucking insane movment lagg
dusky surge
whats the main issue with carnos v stegos
stego vastly outclasses it and is entirely capable of instantly fucking destroying it
no its very much the damage output
alpine plover
As it should
dusky surge
carno can literally be one shot by stego
dusky surge
like
crystal drum
damage is an issue
dusky surge
idk what to tell you
alpine plover
Carno's agility also isn't the issue.
wise sparrow
My man is gonna be asking for mono to kill stego at this point
crystal drum
It really is
alpine plover
No it isn't
dusky surge
it'd still fucking die
wise sparrow
Even back when carno could turn on a dime it still got shit on by stego
dusky surge
i do understand that
alpine plover
Cera's agility will probably be on par with Teno. And the dude has even morw range than a Cera, probably even gomna be the same speed.
And it aldo gets murdered by Steg.
So agility is not the issue
wise sparrow
yall understand that im not talking about 1v1s
I've seen u3 carno megapacks die to a decent stego
dusky surge
you are talking about a 1.3 ton 2v1ing a 6 ton animal
dusky surge
Cera's agility will probably be on par with Teno. And the dude has even morw ran...
nah, i think cera will surpass teno significantly
crystal drum
I've seen u3 carno megapacks die to a decent stego
Must have been some pretty bad carnos then lmao
dusky surge
in agility, not speed
crystal drum
the headshot on stegos is basically free if you work together with another carno
alpine plover
nah, i think cera will surpass teno significantly
I disagree tbh
dusky surge
Must have been some pretty bad carnos then lmao
or must've been an actually smart stego that realised "oh wait i can fucking demolish these roaring fucks"
cera is known for having an extremely absurd turn radius
alpine plover
Teno is already really agile. Anything about the size of it and being even more agile is ridiculous
dusky surge
teno isn't that agile, it just got done with an agility nerf
alpine plover
It's still pretty damn agile
dusky surge
update 4 nerfed its agility
alpine plover
For its size
I'm not saying Cera is in-agile. But Teno's agility even on Cera wpuld be good and plausible
Imo in general Cera just seems like the Teno of the Carnivores
Decent speed, good agility, CC, decently high dmg
Hydrodynamic
alpine plover
Even with Teno's agility nerf it's prettu agile, is what I'm saying
dusky surge
want to see official concepts of a cera fighting a stego so I can prove how it'd fucking die
dusky surge
crystal drum
Actual daggers
dusky surge
notice how the cera is fucking tiny
alpine plover
Uhm, not the actual size
crystal drum
Dude
alpine plover
That i think is actually even bigger than cera will be in EVRIMA
crystal drum
your basically saying wolfs cant hunt anything biger then them
its absolutly not true
dusky surge
im not saying that
alpine plover
Because wolves don't hunt things that are 6 tone
dusky surge
because
A: cera is fucking nothing like a wolf in like, any sense
B: cera is a BRAWLER SCAVENGER BULLY
dusky surge
if we want a wolf, compare to utah
alpine plover
And most things wolves hunt also don't have long reaching, 4, three foot thagomizers
crystal drum
no they have clubs on their feet
dusky surge
which is compared more to a honey badger
crystal drum
and usually horns
dusky surge
(in the isle at least)
honey badgers are known for being persistent little fuckers that fear nothing, but honey badgers don't kill big shit, they just scare it off
alpine plover
Also tbh Cera's teeth don't seem like bleed teeth. More grabbing. But that's just me
crystal drum
actually we have
an animal in the family of honey badgers where i live
actually pretty small buggers
but they kill elks
and raindeer
dusky surge
i really like cera, but having it be competition to stego i find ridiculous
alpine plover
Cetra in TI is a mix of Hyena and honey badgef
alpine plover
Wolverines are NOT small
crystal drum
they are compared to an elk
dusky surge
are elks almost 5x larger than a wolverine?
crystal drum
yeah
alpine plover
Again, an elk doesn't have a long reaching tail with 4, 3 foot lomg stabby stabbers
dusky surge
having ceras going around hunting anything and everything defeats the whole concept of their bully and just makes them into another therapod hunter haha
crystal drum
they have loong reaching clubbs on their leggs
and hors allmost the size of the wolverine
dusky surge
i really want cera to be something unique
wise sparrow
While wolverine have been know to be able to kill polar bears cera cant latch onto its preys face and suffocate it
crystal drum
yeah it husld be a bleed machine
dusky surge
and not some glorified hunter which is also a "brawler"
crystal drum
again just look at their teeth
its obvious that they are made to bleed out things
and cut straight through flesh
dusky surge
so you want it to be a big utah
wise sparrow
Also lumin what do you think wolf normally hunt in packs
crystal drum
normally?
alpine plover
kill creatures many times its size
no they dont
crystal drum
or capable of?
alpine plover
They are mainly scavengers
dusky surge
cera should be punching up against magy and carnos, but not shit like stego
crystal drum
Ad i dont "think" anything about it I know
crystal drum
Id say a fairly young elk so about twice its height give or take
alpine plover
Cerato didnt have a particularly strong bite, but I expect it to be a sort of nasty animal. Not so much outright fatal, but very much nasty to deal with for other carnivores
crystal drum
ina pack ofc
no way a lone wolf would be stupid enought o hunt anythign biger then a rabbit
placid reef
so you want it to be a big utah
so the same as allo basically
alpine plover
A CERA WON'T BE KILLING FUCKIN' STEGOS NOR SHOULD IT. EVEN IN A PACK.
wise sparrow
no way a lone wolf would be stupid enought o hunt anythign biger then a rabbit
So they'd still die to a moose yea?
crystal drum
ye
dusky surge
WHY ARE WE COMPARING CERA TO UTAH
alpine plover
That's like saying a herd of 3 tenos should kill a stego
placid reef
this is my problem whenever i see bleed tossed around, it gets really fast in just a bigger utah teritory
crystal drum
actually 3 tenos shuld be able to kill a stego
placid reef
actually 3 tenos shuld be able to kill a stego
you do realise stego is an apex and teno and cera pseudo mids?
alpine plover
dusky surge
One is a super-agile endurance predator which hunts prey and keeps attacking till they bleed out and die
The other is a bully brawler scavenger that prefers to take food rather than hunt for it on its own. You know, like a dickhead
HE GOT MUTED
WAIT]
wise sparrow
ye
So even in large pack wolf's, the animal you are comparing cera too, cant kill things that much larger th4n it
wise sparrow
Pffft
alpine plover
why the fuck do you even WANT cera to be hunting stego
the entire point of stego is to be unapetising by being difficult to kill.
Tbh wave
dusky surge
I think he might have used the "r-word"
placid reef
the entire point of stego is to be unapetising by being difficult to kill.
and that its a glass cannon when you see the whole apex roster
placid reef
cera would hunt teno subs as i bet they will share biomes
dusky surge
i mean, sure, otherwise magy has nothing that actively hunts it
alpine plover
Cera isn't really all that slow
alpine plover
and that its a glass cannon when you see the whole apex roster
yes. Hence why stego is one of the more awkward animals in the game. It holds up quite decently against things like carno or allo, not so much against a tyrannosaur which it wouldnt have ever dealt with
Again, I feel like best speed would be to be same speed as Teno
placid reef
I can see it trying to tussle with teno
an adult teno maybe but def for sub tenos
dusky surge
but i really do see cera that struggles more in the hunt than it does playing either defensively or taking control over a stationary area, like a body
placid reef
yes. Hence why stego is one of the more awkward animals in the game. It holds up...
i mean it does the most damage in the game, rex beeing second with 900-1000 damage but thats still like 200 less than stego
alpine plover
Again, I feel like best speed would be to be same speed as Teno
I would expect cerato to run at full speed in short bursts rather than have a fast sustained run, seeing as it is a forest dweller
Cera marsg dweller when
dusky surge
and seeing how teno was, iirc, confirmed to be the fastest quadruped, it's likely that if cera is around the speed of teno, it will be faster than magy
placid reef
but i really do see cera that struggles more in the hunt than it does playing ei...
i only see it hunt maggy and sub tenos consistently
alpine plover
and seeing how teno was, iirc, confirmed to be the fastest quadruped, it's likel...
Well yeah. Magy is slow af
dusky surge
i agree, im doubtful a cera will be able to defeat an adult teno
placid reef
and seeing how teno was, iirc, confirmed to be the fastest quadruped, it's likel...
ye and maggy is much bigger than it but also has that armour or smth
alpine plover
I disagree
dusky surge
teno is too fast
and could simply run and attack with a kick or tail slam when the cera gets too close
alpine plover
Not if Cera is basocally tenos speed
dusky surge
very much so if cera is basically tenos speed
alpine plover
idk if cerato should be more ambush based or not, but honestly hunting should require an element of surprise
dusky surge
idk if cerato should be more ambush based or not, but honestly hunting should re...
if hunting, probably, i'm doubtful cera will win an endurance hunt
seems more like it'd be better using stamina defensively than offensively
alpine plover
if hunting, probably, i'm doubtful cera will win an endurance hunt
yeah, obviously
I liked Dash's idea for rmb
as I said earlier, cerato might as well not be as stamina reliant as, say, carno
Carno already has ass stam
oh
dusky surge
i want cera's RMB to be a lockjaw, holding opponents in place and doing bleed/controlling movement (if the enemy is small enough, cera should pick them up and thrash them around like a dog toy lmao). Look at the concept art, this thing loves to grab shit
alpine plover
Dash's idea for cera was that it just grabs onto something and holds on. The prey can get it off but it drains lots of their stam.
Basically a nuisance
yeah, I do like that idea
I don't want another "pin and do bleed lol" tbh
alpine plover
but like should Cerato be running for fucking miles on end or should it instead rely on bursts of speed to quickly tackle prey rather than wear it out gradually.
dusky surge
But it should do minor damage and bleed
Because you know
It's sinking its fucking teeth into you
Bleed is a very good "get the fuck away from me" tool, especially if you're also removing their stam
Since that stam is vital for, you know, not dying
alpine plover
If you drain all their stam they already really have no method of escape OR decentlu fighting back
dusky surge
Again, it's sinking its fucking teeth into your flesh
alpine plover
Well duh, it def should
alpine plover
but like should Cerato be running for fucking miles on end or should it instead ...
there is also just a lack of distinction between sprinting and a slower longer distance run, which is kinda awkward
idk if Cerato could compensate for low stam for having a comparatively fast trot when compared to other carnivores?
dusky surge
cerato having low stam but high stam regen while trotting could be cool
also fast trot sounds good
dusky surge
they have animations of it biting
and then someone synced it to dog barks and gmod ragdoll sounds
honestly its a pretty incredible video
alpine plover
Tbh Ceras bite anim seems like the forward alt
dusky surge
just looks like a normal bite to me
alpine plover
To me it looks too exaggerated to be a normal bite imo
alpine plover
yeah
also a fast trot could basically allow for cerato to grab a carcass and then just skedaddle away with it, especially if the animal that made the kill is low on stam
dusky surge
yea
alpine plover
"this is mine now" is a great cerato attitude
dusky surge
i really really want cera to play like an annoying little shit
alpine plover
dusky surge
"Good kill guys, we finally got that teno after losing so many of our pa- there's a cera coming. It's threatening us. For fuck's sake just give him the body he's going to be so annoying if we don't."
"Boy, I sure do love being a carnotaurus, time to run and hun- why is there a cera attached to me. Let go you little fucker I have shit to do."
alpine plover
"No"
dusky surge
just imagine you smell a rancid rotting corpse and you see a proud little fucking cera sitting on the decaying corpse of an hour-old stego, three calling you as if you even want to touch its rancid little rot pile
alpine plover
Cera just is that litrlw brother that clings on your leg and demands you to walk with him there. The same one who'll eat the crust of thw pizza and in general be the one to eat away at the left overs
dusky surge
ceras shouldn't be a threat to a wide majority to the population, just an animal that lives its own life and sometimes decides to be an annoying little fucker. Cera should be a nuisance more than a threat, but be the best designed nuisance ever
Like you can just... Leave a cera to its own devices and it probably won't catch you, or it'll scamper away like a little rat if you're too big
alpine plover
LOL
A utah pack hunts a teno, they see the Cera on the hill just sitring therw watching, immediately give up the hunt
dusky surge
Like, just give him the rotting corpse, he'll have more fun with it and he'll leave us alone if we give it to him
lmao, like the cera isn't going to actually hunt the teno, he's just waiting for the utahs to do all the work
i love that
dusky surge
"we have to fight that jackass do if we do manage to win this hunt"
alpine plover
Yep
dusky surge
This is what I want from cera
So badly
The ultimate honey badger experience
Little fucker who no one fucks with because he is literally not worth the effort
alpine plover
The little annoyijg brother
dusky surge
they aren't scared of him or anything they just decide "it is literally not worth my time and effort to deal with this shit"
dusky surge
That's exactly it
dusky surge
Cera is a gross little bastard who eats rotting food, steals the work of others, bullys anything smaller than it and if anything goes poorly for it, it runs/swims away so it can continue to survive and be a little shitter regardless
alpine plover
I mean Cera will prolly even bully carnos off kills
dusky surge
that's what i would like to see
with the stam drain move, very likely that would happen
since without stam, carno's kind of... fucked
dusky surge
so the carno goes "do i value this almost rotten, half-eaten pachy corpse or my continued survival"
"i'll give him the corpse"
i want cera to be REALLY petty
icing on the cake would let the fucker eat from human trash
so it smells the trash, comes over and now its a merc issue too
like no one can escape this prehistoric nuisance
alpine plover
When I imagine Cera's voice I just hear annoying orange
dusky surge
nah, i just imagine a small dog
it eats random shit and gets pissy if it can't have literally a single scrap of meat attached to a bone from the trash can
then proceeds to drink toilet water and bark at much bigger dogs
alpine plover
ceras shouldn't be a threat to a wide majority to the population, just an animal...
yeah
Cera would probably just eat the bone too
smacks lips "Can't let any of this GOOD FOOD go to waste"
dusky surge
i really do want edible trash at some point. The idea of a cera breaking into a merc compound just to eat the trash and leave is so fucking hilarious
Like, there's a carnivore in the base, everyone's panicking, but wait, it's a cera and it literally came through an entire steel fence to eat leftover candy wrappers, orange peels and mouldy gross bin cheese
placid reef
Like, there's a carnivore in the base, everyone's panicking, but wait, it's a ce...
i mean, it serves nothing, maybe there a chance you can get a lot of 1 random nutrient
alpine plover
Imagine if Cera just doesn't have a diet at all
alpine plover
Like, there's a carnivore in the base, everyone's panicking, but wait, it's a ce...
I would expect juvie ceratos to be sorta more omnivorous perhaps
placid reef
Imagine if Cera just doesn't have a diet at all
no thats deino