slow brawling bastard which focuses on bullying people away from food
#balance-feedback-discussion
dusky surge
fresh laurel
Im just asking for 1 new attack for each carni rn
frail flicker
Cera is the best carni brawler
dusky surge
what the hell would an "alt-pounce" do lmao
versed rune
give cera a counterattack
to be honest as much as id love a new attack for utah
what else could it realistically do
fresh laurel
what the hell would an "alt-pounce" do lmao
Alt pounce would be you jump kick a dino 
versed rune
that isnt redundant with its current moveset
dusky surge
at least with teno, LMB is forward facing attacks and RMB is behind attacks, which is consistent. Utah has bite, alt-bite and pounce. The hell would alt-pounce be useful for
fresh laurel
If a utah pounces cera head it should probably get countered
frail flicker
Cera with a counter attack is just gonna be like this
Pachy abushes and headbutts, the Cera proceeds to flip it off and bite it's pathetic neck off lol
versed rune
Alt pounce would be you jump kick a dino <:TI_Troll:472576085482143745>
i actually thought about that idea and it sounds neat, could be neat for a mixup, but i cant help but feel that its redundant and that pounce could just do it better
dusky surge
cera counterattack seems... Weird idk
fresh laurel
at least with teno, LMB is forward facing attacks and RMB is behind attacks, whi...
Jump on dino and kick off it ez
dusky surge
Jump on dino and kick off it ez
why tho
versed rune
carno on the other hand could benefit from a headswing
dusky surge
lmao
versed rune
because the alt bite is so damn stupid
versed rune
doesnt fit the animal at all
dusky surge
but like
fresh laurel
But wanna fight back
frail flicker
Alt bite has AOE doesn't it?
dusky surge
you can do that by simply tapping RMB
dusky surge
and a kick would waste the same amount of stam
fresh laurel
Pounce is eh
dusky surge
i fail to see the point here
frail flicker
Like I alt bite in bushes and can kill juvis that were next to me
fresh laurel
and a kick would waste the same amount of stam
It would just do same amount as jumping
dusky surge
that literally seems worse than just biting it
versed rune
the point of the kick is to spice up the matchup. that's literally it. but i truly hate to agree with wavepoole that i dont know if it would even be worth adding
fresh laurel
Ik
versed rune
just cuz pounce can do it better
fresh laurel
Started as a joke...
dusky surge
do a long animation which can miss and kill you, all while using more stamina to fake out a pounce when you could, instead, spend the time regaining stam
fresh laurel
Alt pounce would be you jump kick a dino <:TI_Troll:472576085482143745>
Joke at first
Utah slaping is always on the table
versed rune
utah's bite is for such close range tho that if youre gonna make it have a slash attack it may as well be an alternate bite animation
fresh laurel
True
dusky surge
listen, carno headswing, good, but these animals are perfectly fine with 3 attacks
fresh laurel
Yea
dusky surge
some people enjoy less to think about, and utah + carno work fine with the attacks they have. Carno's niche is running fast and killing shit fast, not being a combat demon
fresh laurel
I mean
versed rune
so dont give it a headswing because "muh smol game hunter?"
fresh laurel
This is also is about having fun
dusky surge
(plus carno is a horrid brawler so it really shouldn't be getting more brawl-based moves since it's meant to be garbage in that scenario)
fresh laurel
Right?
versed rune
This is also is about having fun
this
fresh laurel
This is a game
dusky surge
so dont give it a headswing because "muh smol game hunter?"
i literally never implied that
frail flicker
Cera is more so the combat dino, and I'm prepared for it, I'm gonna main the crap out of it when it drops for sure
versed rune
i mean thinking about how it would work
fresh laurel
Cera is more so the combat dino, and I'm prepared for it, I'm gonna main the cra...
And then theres giga and acro...
versed rune
carno's headswing would be for swatting shit smaller than it that come in too close
ie utah packs/pachys that think they're all that and a bag of chips
fresh laurel
Carno headswing could stagger a bit?
versed rune
carno's supposed to be the bane of little dudes right? why not take it all the way
frail flicker
oh no carnosephilasaurus
half girder
guys why are pts in the pond and why do they look like crocs
versed rune
((mind you if carno gets a headswing it should drain about 5-7.5% stam))
half girder
why is my pachy bounce when i headbutt
fresh laurel
Swinging head like crack head needs risk
dusky surge
5% stam is the stamdrain of the current alt-bite
versed rune
so lets assume that headswing has more damage than alt bite and has some form of stagger, lets say 7.5% then
fresh laurel
Ok question
versed rune
so its not quite as costly as deino alt but still not free
plus carno stam regen is trash when not sitting
fresh laurel
I just rememered utah pounce suggestion a while back
That did well
What if utah could just hold on to a dino
Like slower stam reduction and help avoid bucking
Like bucking could start really working when you're attacking
rancid bluff
now what to make deino's combat entertaining
fresh laurel
It could add more skill to bucking
fresh laurel
now what to make deino's combat entertaining
Tuggle war
half girder
pachy bucking a utah is useless tbh, still hella bleed
alpine plover
True
alpine plover
I mean, it's useful to try and get an alt attack on them if they dismount right next to you
fresh laurel
Lemme just say it clearly
half girder
I mean, it's useful to try and get an alt attack on them if they dismount right ...
lag deync hitboxes
just alt bite it
frail flicker
What if they gave Deino Sandy's suit from SpongeBob when it reaches full growth, max travel distance at the downside of not being able to attack
half girder
surely
fresh laurel
You jump on dino and and start pouncing only yo stop attacking still holding on to prepare for a buck
dusky surge
i'll be honest, some animals aren't meant to be super combat heavy lmao. Deino just bites shit and drags shit, it doesn't NEED to be complex, it's a fucking gator
alpine plover
Not even, just run/trot in a circle while bucking and mess with their cam. They'll mostly just dismount right next to you and bam, alt attack
fresh laurel
i'll be honest, some animals aren't meant to be super combat heavy lmao. Deino j...
But stego not being scared must be changed
Hella quick
alpine plover
Tbh I liked the older idea of Deino's lunge. Makes it sound abit more skill-based
alpine plover
But stego not being scared must be changed
Yeah, just make it so they can be grabbed while swimming
fresh laurel
Give deino tug of war thing for bigger dinos
dusky surge
the only new attack deino needs is VERTICAL LUNGE BAYBEE, FUCKIN' RIP A PTERA FROM THE SKY
half girder
YES
fresh laurel
the only new attack deino needs is VERTICAL LUNGE BAYBEE, FUCKIN' RIP A PTERA FR...
Pls
Pls man...
My bby deino be getting bullied
alpine plover
would be nice
fresh laurel
Omg
frail flicker
Nah I'll tell you whatll make it interesting, the eventual implimentation of Florida Men trying to shoot the big gator or tame it by giving it human sacrafice lol
dusky surge
rather than buff deino to account for the fact it gets bullied
just
fix the map
so its harder for stegos to abuse the shallow and narrow waters
literally
fresh laurel
Isla spero when
alpine plover
I'd make it so adult stegos that are swimming can be grabbed
dusky surge
the rivers are the issue
fresh laurel
Make all water sources connect
alpine plover
Also the pond cough
dusky surge
I'd make it so adult stegos that are swimming can be grabbed
But only if you use a VERTICAL LUNGE HAHA
DAMN RIGHT
WE BACK
alpine plover
No...
fresh laurel
Wave turned into your average carno main
alpine plover
Why not just swim on the surface and grab the stego when he swims?
fresh laurel
stego in water take more stam when using tail swing
Stego in water get deleted from game
Ez
half girder
EZZ
fresh laurel
Problem solved
versed rune
any animal bigger than a utah should be combat oriented imo. cuz fighting other dinosaurs as a dinosaur is the number one reason people flock to this game. the moment you limit things by saying "well YOUR favorite isnt good at fighting lole" then it just becomes lame
dusky surge
Why not just swim on the surface and grab the stego when he swims?
Yea but
A: Not as cool
B: The underside of a stego is much narrower than the sides of it, so it would be easier to drag it down from below
fresh laurel
Stegos will fear water
fresh laurel
any animal bigger than a utah should be combat oriented imo. cuz fighting other ...
Dang you right
half girder
deino is pteranodon pov in water
alpine plover
Also, maybe make it so Deino can just instantly bite after stunning a stego
dusky surge
any animal bigger than a utah should be combat oriented imo. cuz fighting other ...
galli
versed rune
kicking
dusky surge
not combat oriented tho
versed rune
galli aint a small animal it could tango with a utah
dusky surge
and in kissen's own words, the machinegun galli is a thing of the past
half girder
deino needs body fracture
dusky surge
it's going to be MUCH more evasive
fresh laurel
Galli true ability is ZA WORLDOOO
dusky surge
deino needs body fracture
true
alpine plover
Also Galli's acceleraton is probably going to be ass
dusky surge
Galli true ability is ZA WORLDOOO
versed rune
galli's acceleration NEEDS to be ass for it to be fun
its like when dryo was faster than utah
fresh laurel
<:TI_Limmy:858680434299633694>
The world can kick sooo...
versed rune
utah posed such a miniscule threat that the dryo mains were BEGGING for dryo to be speed nerfed so they could have fun being chased again
alpine plover
Hot Take: Animals adept to ambushing should naturally have a better acceleration
fresh laurel
its like when dryo was faster than utah
When dryo was viable
dusky surge
Hot Take: Animals adept to ambushing should naturally have a better acceleration
this isn't even a hot take it just makes sense
alpine plover
Cough Carno cough
fresh laurel
Alr
fresh laurel
Carno ram doesnt help
alpine plover
Yeah but for ambush Carno isn't really good
fresh laurel
I mean carno hunts in plains right?
alpine plover
Because you just hear
dusky surge
low stam, high speed, thing accels like crazy compared to legacy, and its ability is primarily useful in ambushes
fresh laurel
Carno problem is
versed rune
carno's ambush is pretty damn good
fresh laurel
Ram is too loud
alpine plover
THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP for 3 seconds, then you hear GRRRRR THUMPTHUMPTHUMPTHUMP
fresh laurel
THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP for 3 seconds, then you hear *GRRRRR* THUMPTHUMPTHUMPTHU...
Ikr
versed rune
it just doesnt deal enough damage with the bite for it to be punishing
and honestly
carno growling when it charges is fine
fresh laurel
it just doesnt deal enough damage with the bite for it to be punishing
You can actually kill utahs will a good ram
versed rune
cuz if you react too late even after you hear it you're fucked
fresh laurel
Just knock em down and commit pachy kill
alpine plover
Unless the prey doesn't have ears your ambush is pretty useless
versed rune
it adds an element of OH SHIT to being attacked by carno, as opposed to other... less cool... animals that make NO sound when charging.
fresh laurel
Can we pleaseee make eating faster
versed rune
i second this request
fresh laurel
Like no one asked for it to take ten years
alpine plover
I was once reading discord, distracted from in game and I just hear thumping, a loud-ass growl and more thumping so all I had to do was just move a few meters and I was safe
fresh laurel
It doesnt help anything
dusky surge
Can we make eating faster?
fair request
can we make stomachs not bigger than the animal's actual body too while we're at it
fresh laurel
My utah takes more meat chuncks then its belly should be able to hold
versed rune
I was once *reading* discord, distracted from in game and I just hear thumping, ...
well then the carno probably charged way too early tbh
fresh laurel
can we make stomachs not bigger than the animal's actual body too while we're at...
Can we make dryos fill adult utahs very good
versed rune
carno charge is literally about waiting until the LAST second and so many people disappoint me when they charge like 6 seconds early
fresh laurel
Thing is
dusky surge
carno charge is literally about waiting until the LAST second and so many people...
carno mains charging from halfway across the map just to run out of stam when they actually reach their target
versed rune
bro
half girder
why does body fracture seem to effect sub carno more than utah..?
versed rune
if im playing carno and i feel like cannibalizing
half girder
is it the stam diff
versed rune
i always feel my soul ascend when the carno im attacking tries to charge away
fresh laurel
carno mains charging from halfway across the map just to run out of stam when th...
When i run from carnos they always try charging at me from 20 meters away as if i cant turn
dusky surge
why does body fracture seem to effect sub carno more than utah..?
carno uses stam much more than utah
versed rune
cuz its like. "welp ive won"
fresh laurel
Carno stam so bad i out stammed 3 as a utah lol
dusky surge
carno needs a better trot regen
i disagree with this sentiment honestly
versed rune
the greater question is why do carnivores have the same diet system as herbies
fresh laurel
Then thats more sad
dusky surge
i still hate carni diets because juvi growth is SO LAME
fresh laurel
Just let it be where you get nutrtion from fresh kills then old ones
dusky surge
you literally get rewarded for anything, it's beyond stupid
fresh laurel
Just let it be where you get nutrtion from fresh kills then old ones
This could be it until gore
dusky surge
So you'd just get nutrients from anything if it was fresh?
fresh laurel
you literally get rewarded for anything, it's beyond stupid
Ill rather have them fix juvies being worst in everyway before nefing their diets
fresh laurel
So you'd just get nutrients from anything if it was fresh?
Rewards hunts
And you have to move
Like cant keep camping that old dead stego
versed rune
current diet system is literally just a big fat "fuck you" to new players
dusky surge
Eh, I don't like it. It punishes you for punching too far above your weight and also rewards you extremely easily for doing very easy basic things
fresh laurel
Heres what i dont get
dusky surge
Like, hey, I'm a utah, but I'll just eat fresh fish and have a full diet ez
versed rune
"oh, cant find ALL THREE of your diets the first time you launch the game? have fun growing for 12 hours"
versed rune
like what??? what kind of game design is that exactly?
versed rune
The (awesome) Isle
fresh laurel
And who thought nerfed dmg was a good idea
versed rune
no one
fresh laurel
Nerfing my dmg so i cant get my nutrtion
half girder
true so dumb
dusky surge
i think nerfed damage is fine tbh, if you've been neglecting your diet for that long. It's really not hard to stay on one nutrient consistently
half girder
also true
versed rune
ironically the diet system has just made me afk MORE
fresh laurel
Lol
dusky surge
that's because they implemented some stupid ez nutrient gain for juvis
dusky surge
fuck the nutrient shit for juvis its so bad
fresh laurel
fuck the nutrient shit for juvis its so bad
Id fix boring juvie gameplay first before nefing their diets
versed rune
the hardest thing about the isle is finding a way to make playing as a smaller shittier version of the dinosaur you want to be not boring
because you LITERALLY have to not die to get the full gameplay experience
so you'll always be better off afking
fresh laurel
Sctually
versed rune
even if you force juvies to move
fresh laurel
Devs could fix that
fresh laurel
Let utahs climb easly as babies and carnos have good stam as bbys
versed rune
that's where, as flawed as it was, progression WORKED
fresh laurel
Progession was fun
versed rune
even if in progression you didnt make it to the dino you wanted, you could still have fun as the full grown adult of another species
dusky surge
Let utahs climb easly as babies and carnos have good stam as bbys
one of those things is already the case
fresh laurel
one of those things is already the case
Ik
I was saying let juvie utah climb easy
Also
Nerf
Juvie stego
Please
versed rune
flashback to when progression tried to add growth starting you at a .8 adult and you couldnt get prog points until 1.0
fresh laurel
They already have herds to fend for them and stuff
versed rune
another flashback to when it took an hour to go from velo to herra, and 5 hours to go from herra to allo
fresh laurel
flashback to when progression tried to add growth starting you at a .8 adult and...
Remember when it had hypo rex
versed rune
yes and the meta literally became carno and utah cuz they were the only things that could escape it
fresh laurel
Progression did let you work for something adding more reason to play
versed rune
sounds like evrima now that i think about it
mind you i dont wanna romanticize progression either
cuz that had its own shitty issues
fresh laurel
Skin system might take a few months
Nesting grounds will take 2 months
And bug fixing and qa is another 2 months
half girder
dude i have such good idea for para
half girder
basically since its a music dino
fresh laurel
Oh...
half girder
it can deafen a dino that is tracking it since most dinos rely on sound
fresh laurel
Who said hypsi and dryo was too op
half girder
so it will actually be kinda good solo to get away
fresh laurel
Which player said to nerf hypsi and dryo
half girder
im saying after tracking is nerfed
fresh laurel
it can deafen a dino that is tracking it since most dinos rely on sound
Sounds like para
half girder
when in a herd it can deafen a rex lets say so it wont hear a trike coming from behind
alsoooo
half girder
it makes screen go crazy
fresh laurel
They spam call enough as it is
half girder
cuz ur dino cant ake it
versed rune
ok so
fresh laurel
Ptera should get a diving perk though
fresh laurel
Yes
fresh laurel
What
versed rune
how do we feel about upsizing ovi to citpati size and upsizing troodon to the size of the alaskan species? just to prevent the monotany of the "troll dinosaur" demographic that hypsi cannot escape from
half girder
bob birds are scary..
fresh laurel
Reason why i stopped playing
versed rune
tropeo is the reason i dont play~~ yeah
half girder
same
fresh laurel
A bird oofed my 1.2 megalo and i couldnt fight back
half girder
like 3 giant tropes killed my 1.2 sai
fresh laurel
A pachy yeetd my megalo 50 meters into the air
Sorry but bob needs to get balancing together
half girder
anyway isle talk
half girder
no
fresh laurel
Yes
versed rune
no
versed rune
werent we JUST talking about sweaty bird players with unhealthy BMI's in beasts of bermuda
half girder
batter perk for pachy that sends things 50 feet then
half girder
exactly
fresh laurel
Yes
half girder
dude i saw 3 utahs as pachy in field and my heart dropped
half girder
true
fresh laurel
But i dont blame em
versed rune
dude i saw 3 utahs as pachy in field and my heart dropped
You simply should just not have chosen pachy
half girder
i looooove pachy blood pool
versed rune
As a carni main, me too
fresh laurel
i looooove pachy blood pool
Balanced tbh
half girder
as powerful as it is i see y
versed rune
Stego blood pool is sweaty af
fresh laurel
Deino fine
half girder
i killed stegos daily
versed rune
Deino is fine cuz el cocodrilo
half girder
unless they become a deino and go swim
fresh laurel
Stego needs le ban
half girder
if it hits head first
half girder
rex needs more stam then legacy
fresh laurel
No
versed rune
Legacy ambush
Beasts of Bermuda moment
half girder
but slower speed
half girder
rex bleed gone be wicked
half girder
i hope they dont keep leg break on bite
fresh laurel
How about
half girder
body fracture sure ig
versed rune
I would say give rex bite and hold
fresh laurel
Letting rex eat bone marrow for nutrients
versed rune
But every carnivore should have bite and hold
fresh laurel
Like gore update brings bones right?
So rex eating the bones to clear leftover bones would be nice
Bone marrow i mean
dusky surge
rex needs more stam then legacy
i disagree with lower speed and more stam, rex is ambush, not endurance, I'd actually slightly INCREASE the speed to account for EVRIMA's faster pace ecosystem
half girder
helllll noooo
fresh laurel
Think of the giga players
dusky surge
only if ambushing was it fast
fresh laurel
THINK OF THE GIGAS
dusky surge
i am
why is giga slower than rex
it's LITERALLY biologically faster
straight up, make giga faster than rex
fresh laurel
why is giga slower than rex
We will neveer know
dusky surge
in EVRIMA
fresh laurel
Giga shoud be agile rex at cost of raw dmg for bleed
dusky surge
giga > rex in speed, it's real life biology that giga was in fact, faster
fresh laurel
Giga should be an endurance hunter
half girder
give rex 3 call a fear effect for small dinos!!
fresh laurel
Amazing tracking
half girder
para 3 call fear effect..?
fresh laurel
Yea
half girder
yes good idea
fresh laurel
It would be scary for smalls
half girder
yes yes
fresh laurel
And 1 call should just make you go Stop
half girder
heavy metal para
fresh laurel
Like 1 call should be loud
half girder
1 call deafen
fresh laurel
Para should be able to make music tbh
half girder
4 call idk
fresh laurel
I wanna see someone remake jurassic park theme with para
half girder
warframe para
half girder
hypo hypsi
fresh laurel
Came back to kill every rex
dusky surge
giga could, irl, was estimated to reach speeds of 50km/hr (which is literally fucking faster than a utah in the Isle lmaoo)
fresh laurel
giga could, irl, was estimated to reach speeds of 50km/hr (which is literally fu...
Giga outdated
I mean its info
Right?
half girder
OMG
fresh laurel
Aint no way my man giga be running faster than the government when i dont pay taxes
But actaully
half girder
we need a blink effect
half girder
for a spitter
fresh laurel
Dilo venom concept art?
half girder
yes
fresh laurel
Rn it sounds like a type n spino
half girder
it makes ur screen go in to black then out
half girder
no
fresh laurel
Ik
half girder
buff body fracture
fresh laurel
Venom in games always go boring route tbh
half girder
body ffracture buff n im satisfy
fresh laurel
Then buff utah hp to 475
half girder
yes sure
fresh laurel
Then nerf pachy
half girder
no
half girder
NO
fresh laurel
You pick...
half girder
475
half girder
i think pachy should only get pounce by one utah at a time
new animation
utah rides on its back
fresh laurel
Pachy should slow down when getting pounced XD
half girder
cuz side ride is buggy looki
half girder
yes slow the dino with so little blood pool
half girder
after they nerf pachy utahs will easy have 2nd chance, pachy? 💀
half girder
i hope so.. 😦
fresh laurel
Pachy will live
Think about it
475 hp utah and pachy with more endlag
And better body fracture
half girder
rip pachy
half girder
pin pachy?
fresh laurel
pin pachy?
Nope i mean
Before pachy
It was nice
Made juvie carnos easier to kill tbh
half girder
i shouldnt have to always let a utah live..
fresh laurel
Wdym...
half girder
itll get so many chances
fresh laurel
How so
fresh laurel
even with buff body fracture the dino will just run away and heal
Yea
That is annoying but
half girder
and just come back
half girder
well
fresh laurel
But cut utah slack a bit
half girder
maybe if tracking will be harder then fine
half girder
cuz pachy dmg heals faster too
fresh laurel
Not to mention how herbis despise them
fresh laurel
I remember when utah was agile enough to 1v1 teno
I think if utah stayed that agile then nothing could bother it
half girder
thank god it isnt
fresh laurel
I mean
It was fun
So fast you could get shots like it was nothing
Utah was 100 something speed at some point
Teno was 50 something
half girder
wtf
fresh laurel
Ikr
half girder
no it wasnt lol
fresh laurel
It was
fresh laurel
Im saying back then
10n for full grown
Back when pounce was a dmg thing
Before bleed was ingame
half girder
im gonna sleep now
fresh laurel
Alr
spring dagger
A headswing for carno would be nice so it could actually keep with "small game" and just knock them over.
wicked quarry
Stegos need like a detection when if they are around a carnivore to long being passive they should be debuffed
Or make shallows disappear and then they will no longer be aggro
spring dagger
Stego just needs competition
alpine plover
Stego just needs removed 🙂
barren oracle
spring dagger
Agreed
placid reef
based
alpine plover
hot lintel
@versed rune Teno not only 2 shots Pachy but it's also 3 times heavier and its tail slam takes priority over the Pachy ram. But sure, make Pachy slower, I don't see an issue with that, it's not like it's still 6 km/h slower than a Utah and it has less stamina.
wise sparrow
"I cant walk away from the herbivore as a utah therefore it's to fast"
placid reef
alright, i've seen the alt ideas etc but in no way i would've imagined someone had a problem with its speed 
hot lintel
Yeah I guess if it's faster than a fresh spawn Ptera on land it's too fast
sinful cove
If anything pachy could use a buff to its juvenile speed. Its slower than a fuckin deino on land
spring dagger
I agree 👍
half girder
If anything pachy could use a buff to its juvenile speed. Its slower than a fuck...
true! its sooo slow
sinful cove
pachy's cc could certainly use a tone down, diminishing returns would help stop the stunlock lynching mobs, but its juvie stage is actual pain and suffering
quaint merlin
yea its slow because it has the adult anims hookep up for it when its juvi, devs have said this will be replaced but its been 3 months and nothing
sinful cove
seems to be a pretty regular thing for evrima lmao
hollow canyon
I was really hoping they'd at least give it those juvie animations before releasing Update 4 on the livebranch
quaint merlin
I was really hoping they'd at least give it those juvie animations before releas...
they could of done that a while ago... but instead they worked on ceratosaurus coming in update #10 and beipi coming in update #7
placid reef
and ovi who has more done than troo
sinful cove
ovi who has more done yet looks like it'll probably be a disappointing animal because they havent told us anything good about it. sadge
hollow canyon
Either way - adult Pachy needs to get hit with a nerf hammer and juvie needs some serious buffs
and I'm not talking just about the animations
the fact that it cannot get coconuts on its own is just... really, really stupid
sinful cove
juv pachy not being able to get one of its diet foods on its own moment
i remember running through 6 coconut trees with my slow ass trying to find one
placid reef
oh wait nvm, they just have 2 troo cards :/
hollow canyon
I generally believe that more than one plant should give herbivores each nutrient but
sinful cove
also coconut trees still seem to break sometimes
quaint merlin
yeah not being able to fulfill your diet is really fun
sinful cove
if you drop coconuts, leave for a while and come back, none of the coconuts are interactable anymore and any more that you drop also become uninteractable. its crazy how this still happens
earlier qa i found this happening with mangoes too
they still show up in scent so a juvie could see it and be like wow finally, then get there and suffer
molten heart
@rancid bluff it doesnt need to go, it just needs to be a bit more exlusive to some carnis. Carno and deino and ptera dont need it at all, and utah would have a hard time surviving without it. There are plenty of dinos that will also need it, and many that wont. But for now, only utah really needs that good of a tracking system.
half girder
@molten heart that feedback is gonna get hella ❌ s
molten heart
<@!532402991043444737> that feedback is gonna get hella ❌ s
yea you say that but look in balance feedback. Scroll up a little and you see someone said something really similar to what I said, and it got 40 checks and zero xs
half girder
dont see it
rancid bluff
I think they mean this one from Zeo
I also just realized that someone added the salt emote to my suggestion about the new tracking... I actually haven't been killed by the new tracking yet, I just feel bad for all the things I have killed using it, I remember once I was a utah tracking a young carno for like 10 minutes
spring dagger
tenontos are being played tho
the only weakness to pachy is it's low health pool and bleed pool, bleed being a non-factor at oasis and its low health pool countered by sheer numbers
rancid bluff
they come in swarms
half girder
no health is fine but the blood pool is a joke
a 2 sec pounce and bite will drop u to about 60 bleed (not running)
but same goes for utah
half girder
yeah, sux
dusky surge
eh
its fine
gives it at least some weakness
its not like pachy needs bleed resist
spring dagger
yeah i didn't say that the weaknesses were bad, im just saying they're general weaknesses - if anything are they make the animal relatively mortal if theres a bad player behind it, Pachy in general is overtuned af and i've said this many times and good pachy players will always surpass good players of anyother animal with the exception of stego or deino.
placid reef
i mean even a bad deino/ stego can never loose by the sheer size of the fuckers
spring dagger
I've seen it happen with deino believe it or not
placid reef
unless complete incompetence
spring dagger
but never with stego
The guy didnt know how to ALT bite
and pachys just ass rid it to death
dusky surge
it is in my personal opinion that it requires literally being blind, deaf and dumb to bleed out as a deino
dusky surge
Carnivores easily acquiring all 3 nutrients from literally anything sounds lame as tbh
So basically make the entirety of the trash juvi diet permanent
Fuck that
Splitting up herbi food is fine and makes sense but not at all a fan of those carnivore diet changes
spring dagger
i think its fine, provided you kill shit that is worth that amount; it rewards scavenging alot more which is incentive to clean up bodies
and you dont have a bunch of ptera or useless shit laying around
Cause some of the animals are legitimately useless and theres no incentive to eat them (Ptera)
wise sparrow
Pachy stamina is fine as it is. And dear god TWO TIMES the amount of stam? Itd be able to sprint down anything
You aren't supposed to be running everywhere to travel either. This isn't legacy
rough linden
then decrease the amount of stamina you lose when headbutting it takes so much of your stamina.
@wise sparrow
and no im not sprinting to travel
if you are fighting your stamina is gone in 1 sec
wise sparrow
if you are fighting your stamina is gone in 1 sec
No it is not.
rough linden
im guessing rex wont have stamina at all
wise sparrow
Unless you were running a bunch before, stam isn't a problem unless you keep missing your headbutts
spare badger
Pachy headbutt stam use is fine
You only need to hit one
Maybe 2
rough linden
i miss only 1 in this fight i had
and i lose all easily
why do all dinos have so little stamina
its so unfun
sitting simulator
spare badger
Because you're supposed to play smart and conserve it
spare badger
What does that have to do with anything?
rough linden
smart
you said
so is that fun ?
having a fight
and then just walking
doing nothing
so boring
wise sparrow
i miss only 1 in this fight i had
You can easily miss like 3 before your stam starts to waiver
wise sparrow
...huh?
spare badger
I am so confused
wise sparrow
Ooooh I get it
spare badger
Was he running in circles??
wise sparrow
Hes calling himself smart basically
spare badger
Like how are you using all your stam in a fight
wise sparrow
You're bad that's how
spare badger
Unless you never stop running
This guy would be a shit teno player
wise sparrow
Hes the kind of guy to try and use rex as a rush down predator
spare badger
You don't 'walk and do nothing'
You don't run around like an idiot and waste stam
You wait for the opponent to have an opening or attack you and you take advantage of it
For example if I'm a teno fighting a carno I will wait for him to engage, then either try and stuff out the approach with a tail slam or get out of the way and counter
I woudnt run around chasing the carno or dash dance like I'm playing Smash bros
sinful cove
Damn some people just love to waste their stam lol pachy is fine
Its like the people who fly up to maximum altitude on ptera and complain about stam
hollow canyon
As much as I think that Pachy's completely overtuned I do think that in terms of locomotion and stamina the animal could get some love - it has an atrocious trot speed(which imo should be buffed instead of touching its stamina pool), which makes it really bad at travelling without using stamina.
wise sparrow
As much as I think that Pachy's completely overtuned I do think that in terms of...
Could pachy work with worse ram turning and more stun if it misses?
Imo ram needs to be less spamable
hollow canyon
I don't know how I feel about prolonging any CC in the game. I'd honestly rather have Pachy not stun itself when using its ability at all, or if it has to do that it should stun itself for a very short time. I mean I guess maybe it should be longer if you completely miss it but if you land a hit on something you shouldn't have a significant recovery animation afterwards.
hollow canyon
I think that Utah's recovery at the very least was too long(I believe it is shorter now than it used to be) but I'd personally make the recovery shorter even now.
wise sparrow
I feel like pachys damage is fine it's just how easy it is to deal that damage. Kinda like old carno with good turning, damage, and attack rate
hollow canyon
Like sure there should be some penalty for missing an ability that's relatively easy to land(which imo both ram and pounce are)
but I don't think it should be that severe
sinful cove
Pachy could have a recovery where he takes 1-2 quick steps forward after missing a charge imo
wise sparrow
For instance tenos attacks need at least some timing
hollow canyon
Pachy could have a recovery where he takes 1-2 quick steps forward after missing...
That sounds decent
sinful cove
Like he lunges his full weight forward so it would make sense
placid reef
so teno has the advantage you mean?
wise sparrow
Teno should have the advantage cause its slower
slim dragon
Teno should have the advantage cause it's more than twice Utah's weight
hollow canyon
I think Utah is the one animal that handles Tenonto the best in the game atm.
spare badger
Utah v teno is fine because utah can actually bleed out a teno but miss a pounce near its tail and you're done
Which makes sense it's twice Utah's size
Imo tail slam shouldnt stun, it should fracture
And the kick should be the main stunning tool
They both work but tail slam stunning makes a bit less sense than it fracturing imo
It would only ever be getting body or head fractures so it wouldnt be broken
sinful cove
Body frac is useless rn against all animals and utah heads get squashed like ripe melons by tail slam already (as they should)
spare badger
The body fracture would be more effective on a carno
Especially since those fights take a while
Head fracture would be best
crystal drum
I think that Utah's recovery at the very least was too long(I believe it is shor...
The reward is insanely high when you land it though. its basically a "you cant hit me while i do damage" button. If the pounce mechanic stays as it is it needs to be punished really hard if it misses.
Optionally your recovery could be faster but your stamina would take a massive hit if you were to miss
since stamina managment is super important for uthas
hollow canyon
I disagree with that but simply by the virtue that I believe pounce shouldn't do as much as it does.
hollow canyon
Optionally your recovery could be faster but your stamina would take a massive h...
This could be fine too
crystal drum
Yeah I honestly agree, it should be reworked
Im thinking that you could probably keep a pounce like attack, but make it a jump on-slash-detach to do like 1%hp damage over time to reflect bleed. As is 4 pounces is enough to kill a stego(Even while shaking off), effectively making each pounce do 25% of the stego hp pool. That's an actual insane amount of damage for an attack that by all means is not to hard to land when your the most agile dino in the game.
crystal drum
@alpine plover I allways dreamed of a dryo flying kick
Never going to happen, but man would it be satisfying
fresh laurel
Imo tail slam shouldnt stun, it should fracture
And the kick should be the main ...
Late but thats what i meant
I didnt mean utah should be shruging teno like its nothing
Just think its stun lock needs to be a fracture instead
spare badger
Just think its stun lock needs to be a fracture instead
It can't stun lock
spare badger
Utah gets knocked over
Carno gets stunned
You get stun immunity after it wears off for like 5-10 seconds or something
spare badger
Yes
You get stunned
Then you can run off
And can't get stunned again for a bit
spare badger
Sorry if I wasn't clear distinguishing Utah and carno
fresh laurel
Its fine
fresh laurel
You can't as Utah unless you have friends
Carno can
I dont think friend can save you
Unless pounce stops tail slam?
spare badger
I dont think friend can save you
It can distract the teno so it doesn't hit you again
It works cause Utah gets knocked backward when it gets it with a slam so you cant always slam twice
fresh laurel
Mmm
spare badger
Unless it was close to you after the first hit
fresh laurel
So its suppose to knock me back a bit?
spare badger
Happened to me before
A Utah saved it's packmate by charging and I went to attack it instead so I didn't get pounced
spare badger
So its suppose to knock me back a bit?
When Utah gets hit and is knocked slightly backwards
fresh laurel
When Utah gets hit and is knocked slightly backwards
So
Its a lag issue then?
Because i dont feel that knockback
I guess it could be adjusted more then
spare badger
Last I checked Utah gets knocked back a bit and hits the floor
It's not far keep in mind
spare badger
A teno would just alt bite at least
Well if it's being charged by another Utah you go to defend from that one instead of letting it get a free pounce
fresh laurel
What
I thought we want a pounce to happen
Lol?
Are you sure you dont mean save the teno?
Because i mean save the utah who got slammed
spare badger
Yes
Another Utah is about to pounce me (the teno)
So I intercept it instead of finishing off the other one
fresh laurel
Teno can buck
So nothing is stopping you from killing one
Then bucking off another
Unless bleed already stacked
spare badger
It's better not to get pounced
And both slam and turn around claw are pretty laggy
fresh laurel
Eh
spare badger
Also this was update 3 so it may have changed a bit
fresh laurel
I think at very least they could make slam not work on tip of tails
Or its just more lag...
stark lion
i think its fine, provided you kill shit that is worth that amount; it rewards s...
If you get all 3 nutrients from any animal regardless of the amount you're still getting all 3, and you're still getting the buffs that come along with it. All you have to do is kill lots of things that'd give you a small proportion. It removes any difficulty in maintaining a perfect diet for carnivores. That isn't the way to go. Your herbivore diet changes are fine though
dusky surge
exactly that
if you want to encourage occasionally leaving for food and going back to a bush to AFK grow, that's how you'd do it
dusky surge
this is why the gore idea i like. Create high value nutritional organs like the brain or heart, and have it be for most animals a "first come, first serve" deal. If you want the cool nutritional meals, you'll have to eat the special organs first. Scavengers will be fine with intestines and stomachs, even though those will be far less palatable to most, and have rotting corpses also be near inedible to anything that isn't a scavenger
like eating a heart might not give much hunger, but it's jam-packed with a high nutritional value for your diet
dusky surge
if you wanna afk grow, that's too bad, because simply eating a leftover corpse would mean it'd likely either be stripped clean of the good shit or straight up rotten
fresh laurel
if you wanna afk grow, that's too bad, because simply eating a leftover corpse w...
could satatastion work?
dusky surge
what
dusky surge
what the fuck is satatastion
stark lion
satiation?
fresh laurel
like fresh kills most nutrients
?
dusky surge
isn't that implied by what i said
because
A: corpse will not be rotten
B: corpse will still have all the high value organs
fresh laurel
how so
stark lion
All that really needs fixed to make carni more playable at the moment diet wise is AI respawn fixed
fresh laurel
All that really needs fixed to make carni more playable at the moment diet wise ...
yea
stark lion
Then for ideal diet stuff we need gore
dusky surge
there is literally no way for you, the player, in the current game, to know how fresh a corpse is
fresh laurel
there is literally no way for you, the player, in the current game, to know how ...
we could make flies come or just make scent have it be dark green or a weird orange
to show rotten
kinda like how bob does it
dusky surge
although i'd still like stuff that's "preferred prey" even in the gore update, because frankly, encouraging carnos to kill stegos is fuckin' stupid
fresh laurel
actually
dusky surge
we could make flies come or just make scent have it be dark green or a weird ora...
wouldn't that work for gore tho lmao
fresh laurel
stegos arent they too tanky?
fresh laurel
wouldn't that work for gore tho lmao
its a substitute ._.
stark lion
yeah preferred prey i want to stay
stark lion
idk whatd be different from eating the special organs of preferred prey or normal prey though
dusky surge
idk, adding "gore but not really" before the gore update just seems weird
fresh laurel
idk, adding "gore but not really" before the gore update just seems weird
eh true
but gore comes in like november
XD
fresh laurel
this is why the gore idea i like. Create high value nutritional organs like the ...
question
how would that work
i mean would you grab what you want first
or
would the game pick
dusky surge
they've confirmed you can essentially rip a corpse to shreds
idk how that'd work i ain't a dev
fresh laurel
lol
its just
would be nice to give the juvies a heart or brain so they can grow up quicker
while you take a stat boost organ
(just example)
stark lion
im sure you will be able to do that
spare badger
"all ther herbivores are sooo OP"
Does not elaborate
My favourite kind of posts lmaoo
dusky surge
i do enjoy those posts
spare badger
You know they come from a place of immense salt and rage
I bask in it
dusky surge
man def ran up to a stego, got one tapped and typed this up immediately
spare badger
Either that or barreled into a gaggle of pachies and got it's ankles obliterated
hollow canyon
I think it's been mentioned on multiple occasions though. Herbivores are just stronger and offer more than carnivores for their growth times. The damage output and CC of herbivores just make them currently stronger than their carnivore counterparts.
The guy hasn't spoken about Stego or Pachy, he meant all the herbivores(admittedly I have no idea whether it was supposed to apply to Dryo and Hypsi too but I wouldn't blame the guy if he forgot that these two are even playable).
alpine plover
It’s a matter of Utah and Carno not being optimally designed in there jobs
Not herbivores being OP
Utah packs and Carnos just aren’t scary
dusky surge
true, but also, i find a huge issue is not that herbivores are too OP, but the reward for actually killing a herbi really isn't there
the body barely fills you up and you eat at a snail's pace
hollow canyon
I completely disagree
dusky surge
this is especially true for carno, which is meant to be a small game hunter, yet needs to hunt something greater than it's own weight to fill its stomach, which is absurd
hollow canyon
there being a reward or not is irrelevant to the fact that I go for herbivores when I want to kill some people on this update.
Simply because they are just vastly better at doing the killing as it is
dusky surge
better at killing, sure, but they aren't better at hunting. Too slow and lack tracking
hollow canyon
hunger requirements of carnivores are an issue but they are a completely separate issue that isn't directly connected with balance
dusky surge
The hunger issues, imho, are absolutely connected to balance
hollow canyon
They are connected to balance but indirectly
they have an effect in how easy it is to keep your animal fed and alive
but they aren't directly related to how easily one animal can kill another
and yea herbivores aren't that good at tracking and what not, but tbh I've had no issues hunting with them
I'd argue that Pachy is probably a better hunter than either Utah or Carno
it's actually a Carno if Carno was a well designed ambush hunter
alpine plover
Basically for attacking types. Herbivores must be good at defending themselves. Carnivores must kill good to feed themselves
Scales aren’t properly tilted because of design
It’s related but not necessary for a herbivore to kill it’s predator
Just to defend itself optimally
Sure, kill when the opportunity presents itself
dusky surge
tenonto, imho, is the best designed herbivore atm. Although I would shift some of the power of its tail into other attacks to diversify how it chooses to fight, its low running stam and need for stam to utilise its most powerful moves makes it a great brawler that is extremely weak to stuns and low stamina. It also cannot use its strongest move without its opponent being behind it, making it primarily defensive and poor preforming offensively
hollow canyon
It might be the best designed one but honestly the bar isn't set very high up
its attacks work in a rather non-sensical way with one just vastly outperforming all the others
kick is pretty much just hotgarbage and the only situation where Tenonto really uses it is when it's trying to hunt someone down
alpine plover
Alt claw is far superior at dealing with agile predators with far less cost
dusky surge
I kinda liked when kick also did bleed, since it was an EXTREMELY close range attack and stun + bleed for hitting a very short-range move made it rewarding
hollow canyon
the bleed on that attack was irrelevant
alpine plover
Tail slam against Utah is mostly a bad idea if desync doesn’t fuck the Utah over
hollow canyon
if you ever landed a kick you would just take your enemy out with the tailslams either way
alpine plover
True, which is why I suggested opting out that attack for a new one
hollow canyon
I've already gone over to say that Tenonto's attack need a rework and some general direction in what they are specifically supposed to do
I'd personally just make the kick its most damaging attack and tone down the stamina cost on the tailslam
in that case it wouldn't be used offensively as much and you'd actually need to use brain when performing a combo
dusky surge
honestly, yea, that'd make sense
hollow canyon
... or alternatively just give them different things
one of those two could stun while the other fractures
therefore you'd e.g. kick to stun your opponent and slam them to fracture them
or the other way around
in general something should be done about it because while it's the best designed herbivore or maybe even animal that doesn't mean it's particularly well designed
it's still completely overtuned currently
dusky surge
tail = fracture
kick = stun
imho
hollow canyon
easy to grow, easy to maintain and capable of 1v2ing Carnos when played correctly
alpine plover
Wouldn’t it be too versatile though?
hollow canyon
even someone like me who doesn't have the patience for this animal and doesn't play it well can thrive with it
dusky surge
isn't the point of tenonto versatility?
hollow canyon
I think it would be fine, since you'd be losing the stun on the tailslam
alpine plover
Hmm
hollow canyon
I'd probably nerf down the damage and tone down the stamina cost of the slam though
alpine plover
Right
hollow canyon
you'd basically just kick your opponent
then fracture them
and when the stun wears off they'd be running away
alpine plover
Though adjusting Teno isn’t necessary right now since it’s serviceable
The issue is the tilted design
hollow canyon
they could try to continue the fight but you'd still have a lot of steam to go at it with them so
alpine plover
Which is Pachy/Utah/Carno
I also agree, I have far better success at hunting things as Pachy then I do with Utah/Carno
hollow canyon
Idk, I'm hoping that the future carnivores will be worth something and actually interesting, Utah is a really boring animal to me and Carno's design is just awful
alpine plover
Their just bad carnivores
hollow canyon
I also agree, I have far better success at hunting things as Pachy then I do wit...
This is me kind of saying it from what I see and what other people say, I haven't even played Carno on this patch, feels like a waste of time
alpine plover
I refuse to engage with the shitty growth, it’s awful enough with the smalls so I will never touch anything like Carno and up in this game
hollow canyon
I did give Utah a shot and it felt better than during MT but still felt inferior to the herbivores so
Yea honestly... the growth in this game is a joke right now
alpine plover
Why would I sink possibly more than 2 hours for a badly designed carnivore
hollow canyon
the fact that the base growth time of something like a Dryo is 60 minutes is just pure comedy
4 hours and 30 minutes of base growth for a Carno
alpine plover
I’d rather permanently remove growth than have this thing
Diets/growth made me insta drop this game since the MT
hollow canyon
This makes even the expendable animals not-that expendable
alpine plover
It’s terrible now
hollow canyon
Yea I barely play it too
I tried booting it up a couple of times but I quit pretty quickly everytime
alpine plover
Same here
dusky surge
i played utah and slaughtered an entire population of pachys
alpine plover
Two systems working in tandem made me hate this game
dusky surge
very satisfying
hollow canyon
I could probably bother with the growth and diet non-sense
but I don't see anything interesting even past making it through the growth time
on the previous updates at least there were some match ups that made it interesting(mainly Carno vs Tenonto) but now..? Last time I've played the game I had to actively chase Carnos as a Tenonto because most didn't even want to pick a fight with me
Maybe when more animals are out I will be willing to bother with it but honestly the new mechanics make this game an even bigger chore than it used to be
and it's always had this issue
it's just exacerbated by the last update
Idk the devs were justifying the longer growth times by saying that they will make the juvenile stages more interesting but I'm skeptical towards those promises
and in general it would've been wise to first make those growing animals more interesting to play and perhaps then think about bloating their growth times
alpine plover
These implements just exhausted my interest and time. Every time I play now I feel disrespected for my time idling around and walking in triangles
Anyone else reading, genuine advice is to stop playing this game and do something else
Started learning a language instead and I’m in far better moods
spring dagger
If you get all 3 nutrients from any animal regardless of the amount you're still...
I mean you can just make it so that smalls don't give you alot as you grow, carnivores are genuinely disadvantaged because they can't get their third diet which is not fair, as that third diet is a significant buff. you could tie certain dietary needs from organs and gore's but for now getting all 3 from one body is the best you're gonna do, the difficulty comes from fighting the stuff you need to eat since herbis are universally stronger than carnis atm, if this wasn't the case then I'd agree with you that 3 diets from one body is too OP, but as it stands right now; it would encourage high risk plays and better rewards for those plays
I realise that AI is an issue which to make the proposed diets system not OP, they could be reserved for only juveniles or extremely smalls, I'm not a fan of AI so removal of it would be completely fine for me. That or make it so the dietary gain has significant diminishing returns as you grow bigger.
spring dagger
I mean reversing it back to where it was pre 3.75 is fine, as a juvi killer / scavenger / Fisher
dusky surge
still not a fan of ptera being a juvi killer
that's very much quetz' role, both irl and in-game
spring dagger
But you're a fan of it being Minecraft spectator mode with nothing to do and no interaction with playables....?
Right
stark lion
You said any body would give you all 3 nutrients, not specifically herbivore
Just at varying amounts
dusky surge
i would rather ptera be an egg stealer than a juvi killer