balance-feedback-discussion

[fading pagoda]

or even rex

[zenith vessel]

Tf?

[hollow canyon]

How is it meant to be Allo and Rex prey if they are both slower than it and way, way larger?

[zenith vessel]

Para is rex prey

[fading pagoda]

yeah sorry not rex

[hollow canyon]

It's best suited to be Carno prey out of all those animals.

[zenith vessel]

Maia is allo prey

[slim dragon]

Tenonto is rather cerato prey

[fading pagoda]

thats what i meant

cerato

[slim dragon]

Well cerato and allo are very different things

[hollow canyon]

It can have a decent match up against Carno without it looking absolutely ridiculous

[fading pagoda]

i got the names mixed up

[zenith vessel]

Cerato cant catch it either, cerato lived in rivers and ponds eating fish and small crocs, it was also a scavenger

[fading pagoda]

cerato, is not a piscivore

[hollow canyon]

Well, we don't know how it's going to be in the game but yea irl Cerato was actually a small game hunter

[fading pagoda]

r u thinking of suchomeimus

[slim dragon]

The fact it's slower doesn't mean it can't catch it
The game balance is "if you can't fight it, you can run away from it"

[zenith vessel]

Cerato lived in rivers and killed crocs and ate fish

[hollow canyon]

Good because in this case Tenonto can fight a Carno which makes perfect sense for Carno to be hunting it

[slim dragon]

Tenonto needs a chance of survival, even though it's a herbie
So it makes perfect sense that it can fight an carno

[fading pagoda]

wtf no it did not

[slim dragon]

If it ends up being faster than a cerato, then cerato will be stronger

[fading pagoda]

cerato was not a river predator

[zenith vessel]

It did tf look at the concept

[slim dragon]

It's not predating in the river in the concept, it's swimming away from an allo

[fading pagoda]

i think ur thinking of sucho

[fading pagoda]

yeah

suchomeimus is a fish catcher and small croc muncher

[hollow canyon]

@fading pagodaNo, that's about Cerato, although it didn't eat fish it seems but it is portrayed hunting a small Deinosuchus in the concept art.

[zenith vessel]

They were good swimmers and could live around ponds and rivers

[fading pagoda]

that doesnt mean its a river hunter lmao

anything can hunt a deino

[hollow canyon]

It is portrayed in the water roughly 50% of the time on its concept art

[slim dragon]

From what I've understood cerato looks like an all-rounder

[hollow canyon]

I think it should be an ATV-kind of dinosaur

[fading pagoda]

its not a river dweller

i am sorry

but thats just wrong

[hollow canyon]

capable of getting everywhere and living wherever it wants

[fading pagoda]

whatever

[slim dragon]

What's ATV ? Air-to-Vatican ?

[fading pagoda]

it doesnt change the fact that teno shouldnt be carno prey

[hollow canyon]

It doesn't change the fact that Teno should absolutely be Carno prey - hell it is and it has been since both of them came out

@slim dragonAll-terrain-vehicle

[fading pagoda]

it cant outrun a carno so it is meant to fight it

[slim dragon]

^

[hollow canyon]

Yea and it can fight it

[wheat field]

Bit far off

[hollow canyon]

but it can lose

that's how it should be

[fading pagoda]

thats

[wheat field]

Also who was saying Cerato was a damn Sucho

[fading pagoda]

not...right

[slim dragon]

Teno and Carno should be 50-50, or 60-40 in favor of teno

[hollow canyon]

It's more or less fine the way it is

[fading pagoda]

they were describing suchos playstyle but saying it was cerato

[hollow canyon]

Tenonto has been 50/50 against Carno since it got its crowd control

[zenith vessel]

Swimming my guy

[fading pagoda]

bruh

[wheat field]

[fading pagoda]

swimming is the absolute worst option to do when playing a tenonto and fighting a carno

did a troodon bite you my dude

[hollow canyon]

No, it was about Cerato being repeatedly portrayed in the water on its concept art. This is likely due to the idea that was circulated a couple of years back about Cerato potentially being a semi-aquatic animal due to not being a tetanuran

[fading pagoda]

do you need medical attention

[zenith vessel]

Im talking about cerato

[hollow canyon]

Certain palaeontologists theorised that the animal could've used its tail to swim proficiently

It's an outdated theory nowadays I believe

[wheat field]

Gimme their names so I can

[fading pagoda]

you literally highlighted my message that said tenonto cant outspeed carno and its meant to fight it

[fading pagoda]

aken and TaaronT

[hollow canyon]

Cerato irl occupied areas near rivers and in dense forests, likely hunting small game

[hollow canyon]

I'm not a palaeontologist

and definitely not the one who created that thesis

[wheat field]

Sorry Aken its gotta be done

[zenith vessel]

It doesn't say teno in that sentence

[wheat field]

It was replying to a sentence about Teno

[fading pagoda]

my previous sentence was talking about teno not cerato

[fading pagoda]

this

[hollow canyon]

"In a 2004 study, Robert Bakker and Gary Bir suggested that Ceratosaurus was primarily specialized in aquatic prey such as lungfish, crocodiles, and turtles."

[fading pagoda]

^^^^^

[fading pagoda]

thats 2004

not accurate to the current date

[hollow canyon]

I think you're seriously having issues reading what I'm saying

[zenith vessel]

Bruh

When he knows hes lost

[wheat field]

Dude.

[hollow canyon]

Read what I wrote here:

[fading pagoda]

didnt see this

sorry

[hollow canyon]

I've specifically stated that it was a theory in circulation some years back and it's likely what the devs based the concept art on.

[fading pagoda]

i see

[wheat field]

Aaron ima be completely honest. Tell em right here right now and I will accept your feedback literally. What are the spikes on a Stegosaurus tail called

[hollow canyon]

"As indicated by a statistical analysis of shed teeth from 50 separate localities in and around Como Bluff, teeth of both Ceratosaurus and megalosaurids were most common in habitats in and around water sources such as wet floodplains, lake margins, and swamps."

[zenith vessel]

Idk im not a paleontologist

[hollow canyon]

We do know that Ceratosaurus lived in areas around the water as opposed to Allosaurus which occupied the plains, it just likely wasn't swimming around.

[fading pagoda]

i know it

[wheat field]

Ok that is all I needed to here so that means you cannot talk on the behalf of cerato

So please shhh

[zenith vessel]

I can tho

[fading pagoda]

OHHHHH HE BAITED YOU

PYRO GOT U

[hallow spire]

Ik how to solve this problem it doesn’t matter if it hunted fish and crocs irl bcuz the devs will do what they want to do with cerato >:D

[wheat field]

If you don’t know what a damn thagomizer is you don’t know shit about any dinosaur

[hallow spire]

Although it might hunt young deinos seeing how the concept art was

[hollow canyon]

That's the point - it seems to be hunting just that on the concept art. Well at least the croc. It's also repeatedly portrayed in the water.

The devs might've inspired our Ceratosaurus by this theory about it.

[zenith vessel]

They clearly based that off of a study meaning for it to hunt a croc it would have to live near water sources

[wheat field]

They tend to get a little too “creative”

[fading pagoda]

cerato is going to be slower than teno i can almost 100% guarantee that. therefore, teno will be cerato prey becuase the game is balanced so that prey can outspeed predator (mostly)

[hallow spire]

Yea

[hollow canyon]

I don't think so. I think Cerato should be just fine in both water and on land. Hunting everything everywhere. I'd also give it a jump to access areas where Dilos and Utahs would normally be safe.

[hollow canyon]

Idk in what world that makes sense.

If you're faster than your "predator" then it's a trash predator.

[wheat field]

In what world did that make sense

[fading pagoda]

thats like saying rex is a trash predator

[hollow canyon]

E.g. do you think Utahs or Deinos are the predators of Dryo?

[hallow spire]

There’s no way it would be able to jump lol

[fading pagoda]

because its slow as balls

[hollow canyon]

@hallow spireIt's about the largest theropod on the roster that could realistically jump.

[zenith vessel]

Rex went after prey that couldnt outrun it, trike

[hollow canyon]

The cut off point for jumping in theropods is around 1t

[wheat field]

Ah yea let my 1.6ton ass jump when my bones would shatter if I attempted

[fading pagoda]

i want burrowing

[hollow canyon]

If they give us the new big Cerato weighing 1.6t it's too big but if they go with the old dentisulcatus weighing 1050kg then it could jump

[wheat field]

Pretty sure they going with new cera

“Bigger is Better” in the isle

[hollow canyon]

Is that why Herrerasaurus is much smaller than irl?

[wheat field]

Cept for Utah damn Dakotaraptor reject

[hollow canyon]

Rex was also said to be smaller than the largest estimates for it irl

[hallow spire]

I’m pretty sure that’s coming back eventually

[hollow canyon]

Not to mention - the new Cerato was described just recently, specifically at the end of April and it's based off partial skull material. It hasn't yet had a GDI of it done.

[wheat field]

Are we basing that on Sue or the other one?

[hollow canyon]

@wheat fieldDondi during one of the streams set Rex to 0.9 size saying that this is likely going to be the size of T.rex in the game. Sue would've been 1.0 iirc.

[wheat field]

So the average rex then

[zenith vessel]

I mean rex wasnt the biggest just one of the much stronger ones so it should be able to beat a giga but maybe not outrun it

[hollow canyon]

Irl T.rex was the largest terrestrial predator in the history of the planet to our current understanding.

Deinosuchus was larger if you count it as a terrestrial animal but technically it's semi-aquatic so there's that.

[wheat field]

Spinosaurus being the largest Carnivorous Dinosaur in general

[fading pagoda]

yeah

i want kaprosuchas

[hollow canyon]

Yea Spino is supposedly meant to be the largest carnivorous dinosaur in the game.

[fading pagoda]

its a croc that runs like a lion

[hollow canyon]

Kaprosuchus is tiny

[wheat field]

Kaprosuchus you mean?

[fading pagoda]

yeah

[hallow spire]

Hell nah😭

[fading pagoda]

i was about to edit it

hell yeah

[wheat field]

He is tiny but could be a pain in the ass for Humans

[hollow canyon]

It's finy and it would be fodder to most smaller theropods on the roster

[hallow spire]

Looks cool tho lol

[hollow canyon]

Even a Herrera is larger than it

[fading pagoda]

people already attempt to play deino like a kapro for some god forsaken reason

[zenith vessel]

Herra needs to be bigger imo

[wraith spindle]

Again with ”its small” as an argument for Why not to add something

[fading pagoda]

kapro would basically just be deino, except less water ambushing, and more onland pursuit

[hallow spire]

Yea when basically u supposed to sit and wait,lunge something then drown it lol

[fading pagoda]

yeah kapro would just be more interesting deino

[hollow canyon]

It's small and slow and doesn't do anything of interest.

[zenith vessel]

Crocs nowadays

[hollow canyon]

Prestosuchus is a much better terrestrial croc.

[wheat field]

Well the thing is we don’t really need things that can just get fucked by the current roster. We need things that balance the roster and have special niches that interest players

[hallow spire]

Ik

[hallow spire]

[zenith vessel]

Speaking of which Megalania

[fading pagoda]

uhhhhh

[wraith spindle]

Being a galloping croc isn’t niche enough for you?

[wheat field]

That bitch look ugly af

[fading pagoda]

would you rather have that or this

[hallow spire]

There are better pictures of presto lol

[hollow canyon]

Much rather Presto

[fading pagoda]

#teamkaprosuchas

[wheat field]

Look like someone put a damn Rex head on a alligator

[fading pagoda]

right

[hollow canyon]

Fyi - Kaprosuchus isn't as big as Ark portrays it to be

[wraith spindle]

Damn straight

[fading pagoda]

never played ark

[wheat field]

Ark bad

[zenith vessel]

Presto looks like its slower but a lot stronger with better bite

[hollow canyon]

You keep posting pictures from it

[fading pagoda]

this is the other presotsuchas

those pictures arent from ark

i think

[crude niche]

1- a wee bit outdated of an art peice, 2- presto is a fucking badass, not to mention the FAN concept is modified aswell, it could be terrifying

[wheat field]

Looks like a fantasy lizard from a show that revolves around RPGs and monster hunting

[hollow canyon]

You have Kapro at the very top here - it's tiny and would do absolutely nothing against animals like Herrera, Utahraptor or Dilo

[fading pagoda]

prestosuchas just looks like a quadrupedal therapod

kaprosuchas looks like a lion croc

[hallow spire]

Yea I prefer presto over kapro now

[fading pagoda]

laptop

lol

[hallow spire]

Freakin auto correct lmao

[crude niche]

they could upsize kapro for the game yes, and i do agree its badass aswell, but these are fan concepts anyways so its not really gaurenteed for the game

[wheat field]

When Kapro is smaller than the Alligators we Floridians kill

Seems underwhelming now

[fading pagoda]

something about the word floridians makes me laugh

[wraith spindle]

I guess for some reason I have to say this again: just because an animal can’t kill every other animal doesn’t mean it’s bad

[wheat field]

What do you think we call people from Mississippi

[fading pagoda]

lmao

[fading pagoda]

right

imma ptera main

soon to be a troodon main

[hollow canyon]

If it can neither kill them nor escape from them it starts being bad though.

[fading pagoda]

so we aint going after crocs and stegos lmao

[hollow canyon]

It also does nothing interesting either

[hallow spire]

😎 same

[crude niche]

not to mention, thats still the size of hypsi, troodon, dryo, etc. it might not be as tall, but its a crocodile- its biteforce and strength would be enough to take them down

[wraith spindle]

It can swim

[fading pagoda]

#troodongang

[hallow spire]

Utah my second main but troodon the true main for me lmao

[hallow spire]

#troodongang

[wheat field]

Ima be a Deino main through and through been waiting for that boyo since he was announced can’t wait for all these damn Deino Rex players to gtfo of the hype train and move onto Cera

[fading pagoda]

honeslty kapro has a higher chance of getting in because the playstyle would be more varied from deino

[zenith vessel]

Herra for me i just wish it was bigger as it looks really small in the concept

[fading pagoda]

because it is smaller and more agile than deino and presto

[hallow spire]

True but I think it’ll be fun and interesting to play as

[wheat field]

To kill

[fading pagoda]

personally i like smaller dinos more

[crude niche]

presto is a purely land predator though? more similar to megalania but a lot cooler- cause its not just a big komodo dragon

[wheat field]

I like Midtier dinos

[hallow spire]

That too lol

[hallow spire]

Same

[wraith spindle]

Same

[fading pagoda]

im not the best at one on one combat and i like tactics more than offense

[zenith vessel]

Troodon will be good if you can get a pack

[fading pagoda]

which is why im so excited for troodon

[hallow spire]

I don’t wanna be a slow ass rex all the time lol

[hallow spire]

Definitely

[wraith spindle]

Which is why I find it dumb when everyone brings up the size of suggested animals as if that makes them useless

[wheat field]

Oh I can’t wait for allo or maybe even Sucho and Bary

[wraith spindle]

Scavenging is a thing, fishing is a thing, eating juvies is a thing.

[fading pagoda]

which is why i made a rant in the balance feedback talking about how bad hypsi is and how it should be so much cooler. its soo cute and smol and i want it to be good, but tis so unbearable that i cant do it ;-;

[wraith spindle]

Tru

[wheat field]

Spit is brain dead useless

[zenith vessel]

We know but herra is so downsized

[fading pagoda]

yeah i talked about that

they should make it a cone

check out my post

[hollow canyon]

You keep ignoring the most important part of the argument - it's not just about animal being too small to be a good addition. It's about it having no way to survive against larger, more powerful and faster predators.

[wraith spindle]

Fair enough, don’t make animals smaller than necessary or downsize them from real life

[hollow canyon]

Not to mention we have half a tonne of small animals planned for the game. It's literally the most overbloated part of the roster

one that also barely anyone plays

[fading pagoda]

herrera is the fastest dino in the game

and can easily escape into the trees

[slim dragon]

I higly doubt it

[zenith vessel]

Which being?

[wheat field]

Herrara = Meme dino change my mind

[fading pagoda]

it was in legacy

[slim dragon]

It won't stay like this in evrima I think

[hallow spire]

Carno:

[wheat field]

Legacy is the keyword here

[hollow canyon]

@zenith vesselSmalls - How many Hypsis and Dryos do you see around?

[fading pagoda]

true but carno retained its speed

[hallow spire]

Hypsis extinct

[hollow canyon]

I've seen one Hypsi yesterday, it was a success because the previous one that I've seen was quite a couple of days ago.

[wraith spindle]

If hypsi was finished I would play the shit out of it

[zenith vessel]

Oh right yeah not many and i doubt people will play minmi and beipi

[wheat field]

Everything is changing 😎

[wraith spindle]

But it’s literally not finished

[fading pagoda]

hell fucking yes

[hollow canyon]

How is it not finished? Do you complain about it not having a juvie stage?

[fading pagoda]

hypsi will be able to climb when herra comes out

[fading pagoda]

just read my post in balance feedback

also yes it should have a bb stage but thats not why we are mad

[wraith spindle]

Well obviously the no juvie stage is a huge part of it

[hollow canyon]

Your post speaks more so about balance than about the animal not being finished.

[zenith vessel]

Yeah herra will be going for small things but i think it will be cool

[fading pagoda]

yeah

[wheat field]

No but Hypsi might as well be a birth defect cause as soon as you are born you are handicapped with useless special abilities

[fading pagoda]

if hypsi's spit and jump get fixed and when it can climb, it will actually be a great addition to the roster

[hollow canyon]

@wheat fieldNobody plays Dryo either despite the fact that it's the best animal in the game survivability-wise.

[fading pagoda]

dryo should have burrow and sidestep

[fading pagoda]

also its really boring

[wraith spindle]

It should at least be a better jumper, maybe jumping boosts you forward as well? And again, why does it spawn grown?

[wheat field]

Cause it is uninteresting there is no special niche without burrowing

[fading pagoda]

just being survivable doesnt make it fun

[zenith vessel]

Beipi and minmi i have a feeling are gonna get smacked up in and out of water

[fading pagoda]

i want both of these guys so bad

[wraith spindle]

Finna main Beipi

[wheat field]

Anyone got a scale of Deino to the other semi-aquatics?

[hollow canyon]

I've got no idea how it having burrowing would make this animal more interesting. It's perfectly capable of surviving without it. Hell, it can even kill most young carnivores in its current state without them being able to fight back against it.

[zenith vessel]

Ehm very big

[wheat field]

Good answer

[fading pagoda]

its not that its not survivable without it. Its just that its unfun and there is nothing interesting to it

[wraith spindle]

Preach

[zenith vessel]

I mean its a survival game, semi realistic

[hollow canyon]

So? Carno's charge is hot garbage as well and yet people play it.

[wheat field]

But its carno...

[hollow canyon]

Exactly

[hallow spire]

Not really that hard to pull off a carno charge

[fading pagoda]

but thats completely different

[wraith spindle]

Because it’s big and strong and runs heccing fast

[fading pagoda]

carno is a giant predator that is the fastest in the game

[hollow canyon]

Exactly, because it's a Carno and not a 100kg small fry

[fading pagoda]

there is a lot of interesting stuff

[zenith vessel]

Then again because it has bite force bleed and speed its charge has no use rn as you dont need to ambush really

[fading pagoda]

where as dryo is a piece of milktoast overcooked fudge that has been baking in the sun so long on the beach that the forgot how to make a hole

[hollow canyon]

@zenith vesselIf you want to kill a Tenonto your best bet is to charge it. Without using the charge 1v1 Carno doesn't really do very well against Tenonto atm.

[wraith spindle]

Didn’t you JUST say charge was useless?

[zenith vessel]

Yeah true that fight is like 50/50 get a charge in and you will win most of the time

[hollow canyon]

It is

[zenith vessel]

I mean there isnt much to charge

[hollow canyon]

Because you're never hitting it against a person that is actually playing the game

[fading pagoda]

dryo is boring, doesnt have anything fun to do except punish bbs for no reason, and is completely pointless without burrow. Can i make myself even clearer

[hollow canyon]

If you do charge a Tenonto and miss you're dying btw assuming the Tenonto has any idea of what it should be doing.

[zenith vessel]

Herbi is pretty boring

[fading pagoda]

you cant even benefit from killing the babies

[wraith spindle]

Mhmm

[zenith vessel]

I mean hopefully the other herbis are funner

[fading pagoda]

hypsi and dryo would be the herbis that would be the least boring if they had their fucking gimics

because hypsi would be able to climb and blind predators and jump super high. it cant do any of that

dryo might be survivable but what the fuck are you supposed to do except gank juvies for no reason

[hallow spire]

Will hypsis even be able to nest lol they don’t have a baby stage sooo?

[hollow canyon]

You could say the same thing about literally every animal in the game. They all do the same thing as Dryo does without its burrow. Carno's charge and Utahs pounce are really bad abilities atm and yet those animals are played a lot(despite e.g. Utah being a significantly worse animal than Dryo on the current patch). Why is that? That's because Dryo is small. As I said - smalls are not popular and they have a tiny, tiny fraction of the playerbase playing them and yet they are the most overbloated part of the roster.

[fading pagoda]

dude

[alpine plover]

No

[fading pagoda]

oh

my

god

[hollow canyon]

I don't think you comprehend what I'm talking about

[alpine plover]

You really can't compare them like that, like you honestly really can't

[fading pagoda]

i think i comprehend exactly what your talking about

[zenith vessel]

facts, deinos ability is the only one that works

[wheat field]

Utah be like 😑

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[hollow canyon]

@zenith vesselIt kind of is in a way

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[fading pagoda]

things like carno, utah, ptera, and deino all have extremly interesting abilites that all work in their own way

dryo and hypsi do not

stfu

[wheat field]

Get out

[fading pagoda]

put away your denial goggles

and stop

[hallow spire]

He gotta be trolling😂

[hollow canyon]

What are you talking about? Utah's pounce is hot garbage - if you're using it on the current patch you're bad... like by default just bad.

[zenith vessel]

nah because if you dismount sometimes a stego can get a free hit on you while you are dismounting

[hollow canyon]

So is Carno's charge. If you use it = you're bad

[alpine plover]

Utahd pounce is only bad because of the de-mount stun thingy.

[hallow spire]

Facts

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[alpine plover]

If they tweak that abit it's fine

[fading pagoda]

dont generalize an entire player base and tell them they are bad for not playing a dinosaur that can do nothing but run

[hollow canyon]

That doesn't change the fact that it is bad and the animal currently relies on biting things to death.

[wheat field]

...a-re are you stupid

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[zenith vessel]

wow too far dude

[fading pagoda]

he trolling my guy

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[hollow canyon]

No, it's not too far - you're literally asking to die if you use any of these two abilities. The moment I see someone use one of those against me I jsut kill them.

[fading pagoda]

get out

dick

[wheat field]

Kherr if you wanna keep going ima just get a mod to get you muted lol

[alpine plover]

Insulting doesn't make your point any more valid Rexx

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[hollow canyon]

@alpine ploverDw, I don't care about being insulted.

[hallow spire]

The only thing they gotta do is fix the pounce dismount problem and make carnos charge somewhat better i guess

[fading pagoda]

you dont fucking kill people for using an ability

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[hollow canyon]

Yea I do

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[alpine plover]

That's good I just dislike when people insult others for no good reason really

[zenith vessel]

Bro you told me to stop talking if anyone should get a mute its you, they didnt do shit

[hollow canyon]

a Utah pounced me yesterday - it died right after that because I bucked and ran it down

[fading pagoda]

imagine growing a carno to use charge and then getting ganked by your team

[hallow spire]

Yea and Utah would be kinda useless without its pounce ability

[hollow canyon]

Same goes for Carno - it if charges I just step aside and then run it down and kill it.

Easy

[wheat field]

I told you to stop talking about stuff you didn’t know about then proceeded to test you and you failed

[fading pagoda]

toxic

[hollow canyon]

@fading pagodaI'm not talking about killing my teammates - I'm talking about killing people that are hunting me

[fading pagoda]

how does the rest of your pack react

[alpine plover]

At this point this dude is probably just flame baiting so imma head out

[hollow canyon]

I don't think you understand what I'm saying, Rexx

[zenith vessel]

You talking like your my teacher. Shut up

[full ocean]

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[fading pagoda]

you literally said that if you see a carno use charge then you kill it

[hollow canyon]

E.g. I'm a Tenonto - if a Utah pounces me it just committed a suicide, it will die 100%

[wheat field]

Teacher must be smarter than you then

[wraith spindle]

Bruh obviously you kill people who are trying to kill you

[hollow canyon]

Yea if I'm fighting it lol

Not if I'm another Carno

[zenith vessel]

I wonder what a teacher is supposed to do

[hallow spire]

I think we should just all change the subject lol

[alpine plover]

The only successful pounces I've seen are on stego actually, surprisingly

[hollow canyon]

Although to be fair - if I was a Tenonto and saw some Carno randomly charge I would very much run it down

[wheat field]

Now if you would respectfully drop the argument so we can move on that would be awesome

[zenith vessel]

Cool beans

[hollow canyon]

I'm not talking about when I'm packing up with those people but when I'm fighting them I kill them as soon as they use their abilities.

[fading pagoda]

[hollow canyon]

Rexx... christ... I've seen some misunderstandings but goddamn it

[fading pagoda]

you gotta be more clear about your wording my guy

[zenith vessel]

I mean you ambush someone whos laying down you can get the charge on them

[fading pagoda]

lmao

[wheat field]

Ngl i had a stroke reading that

[hollow canyon]

@zenith vesselYou can get that off even against people that aren't lying down tbh they just need to be talking to others or not paying attention. It's just a really risky ability to use

[wraith spindle]

Aaaaaaanyway, Beipi seems cool. And how about the Quetz huh?

[wheat field]

Naked Quetz

[wraith spindle]

Really?

[zenith vessel]

well yeah most abilities are risky this one is the riskiest because you miss thats all that stam gone

[wheat field]

Feather Quetz

[fading pagoda]

@hollow canyon i am actually stupid. i thought you were ganking your own teammates i apologize

[fading pagoda]

Quetz is gonna be lit

[hollow canyon]

I don't play in packs, Rexx. I pretty much always play solo unless I bump into a new player that wants some help in the game or I play with some irl friends.

[zenith vessel]

gonna grow a carno now and charge things 😎

[fading pagoda]

all good. I admit my faults and i am sorry for being so rude.

[wraith spindle]

At least you’re owning up to a mistake you made in an online argument. That’s both rare and respectable

[hallow spire]

True

[wraith spindle]

You a real G

[fading pagoda]

@hollow canyon do you accept my apology? i completely understand if you dont

[hollow canyon]

@fading pagodaThere's nothing to apologise for, it's all fine

[wheat field]

Even asking for acceptance

[fading pagoda]

thanks m8

[hallow spire]

#troodongang✊

[zenith vessel]

One of the rarest things to ever happen on planet Earth

[fading pagoda]

[full ocean]

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[hallow spire]

Glorious

[wheat field]

Dilo/Troodon Wars will ensue

Fuck

[fading pagoda]

yes

i plan on it

lmao

[hallow spire]

Yea and our troodon gang will kill them all

[wraith spindle]

I loved playing dilo on legacy

[fading pagoda]

mimicing noises is the shit bro

i wanna trick a pack of utahs into giving up their kill by making a carno scream

[wraith spindle]

Stealthy and swift, you bite once and watch them die slowly

[fading pagoda]

yes

[zenith vessel]

imagine if herra destroys troodon

[fading pagoda]

fear

kinda doubt it tbh

herra would get overwhelmed really fast

[zenith vessel]

yeah 1v1 is ez tho

[fading pagoda]

true

idk why you would ever play solo as a troodon tho

[wraith spindle]

Because killing someone as a solo troodon radiates BDE

also I have no friends

[zenith vessel]

troodon could take out big things so wouldnt be surprised if i see a para body covered in troodons and compys

[hollow canyon]

Herrera is around 4-5 times bigger than Troodon

[wheat field]

This

[zenith vessel]

troodon has a secret weapon

[fading pagoda]

im sorry for your loss

lmao

[hollow canyon]

1v1 I don't see this going well for Troodon

[zenith vessel]

Troodon vs Velo

[vagrant mural]

Big herra or little herra size?

[hollow canyon]

Troodon is bigger

[fading pagoda]

wait really

[full ocean]

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[hollow canyon]

Little Herrera, big Herrera is Utah sized or potentially even Dilo-sized

[wheat field]

Stonks!

[zenith vessel]

bigger than velo he means

[hollow canyon]

@fading pagodaTroodon's 40kg, Velo is ~30kg

[wheat field]

Aww

[fading pagoda]

ah

[wraith spindle]

No bigger than Deinos

[fading pagoda]

herra will prob be my secondary

if not than prob ptera

i think troodon will come out this year

[zenith vessel]

nah it was bigger than utah but smaller than dilo, dilo was a lot bigger than you think and would not be the same size as it

[wraith spindle]

Bruh imma be the only Beipi main

[fading pagoda]

it will probably be like september tho

[fading pagoda]

i wanna play beipi alot

[hollow canyon]

@zenith vesselThere's a potential specimen of Herrera that could weigh ~700kg

[fading pagoda]

just not that into the aquatic build if its not in the ocean

[zenith vessel]

is anyone realistically gonna play pachy or magy?

[hollow canyon]

Which is around Dilo-sized

[wraith spindle]

I mean, I would prefer a lush ocean but I’ll take what I get

[hollow canyon]

Pachy could be good even very good

[zenith vessel]

Oh really? dang thats big

[fading pagoda]

might play magy once or twice

[vagrant mural]

Pachy is gonna be fun

[wheat field]

Cancer is the correct term here

[wraith spindle]

I wanna just be the friendly neighbourhood Beipi that checks if the river is safe to drink from and gives fishies to weary travellers

[zenith vessel]

idk why but i dont want to play them, the one i really wanna play is anky the armoured boi himself

[vagrant mural]

Breaking kneecaps and skulls is all I want to do

[fading pagoda]

the lake guardian

awww

[zenith vessel]

yeah but beipi will get destroyed by any mid tier and yeah idk about it

same for minmi, they look cool tho

[fading pagoda]

when do you guys think update 4 will release? i know i already asked this but this is a new batch of people at this point

[wheat field]

20 light years

[fading pagoda]

im not mad

just dissapointed

[wheat field]

Im sticking with my previous answer

[zenith vessel]

well soon maybe a month or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6

[wheat field]

Or 3-4 years

[fading pagoda]

i saw a news thing that said the official "release" of the game will be on june 20th

[hallow spire]

If I had to guess I’d say somewhere at the end of June or beginning of July

[zenith vessel]

this june?

[fading pagoda]

yeah

[zenith vessel]

thats way too soon

[fading pagoda]

im pretty sure it said 2021

hold on

[hallow spire]

This update definitely wouldn’t take as long as update 3

[wheat field]

Poor bastards still have to do Diets and Fractures

[zenith vessel]

yeah but the full game?

thats years away

[wheat field]

No like the release of the game

Not the full game

[hallow spire]

Oh nah definitely not this year I mean the release of update 4 lol

[zenith vessel]

oh right release of evrima

[hallow spire]

The full game would be finished in like 3-5 years

[wheat field]

We gonna aim for 10yrs on a good day

Bet they make Rex the final dinosaur to blue balls the Rex Mains

[fading pagoda]

it wasnt the release of the full game

it was the release of update 4

[zenith vessel]

Ah ok

makes sense then

[fading pagoda]

update 4 is "supposed to" come june 20th

[hallow spire]

I suggest the devs do like small updates kinda like this one and not make an update with 2 dinos since those would take the longest I think so yea this update is gonna be quicker

[zenith vessel]

diet system,bugs,new dino etc thats a lot

[wraith spindle]

I have a sad feeling I’m gonna be playing the game for a few more months and then grow bored, not play it for like a year or two and finally come back to check it out and then they’ll have added 2 more dinos

[zenith vessel]

update 5 is cera and magy

[hallow spire]

Yea that one might be in like September or October then

[fading pagoda]

they put all dinos on hold except troodon and pachy

so uh

[wheat field]

Diets and Perks are gonna be the biggest game changing update in the entirety of the isle change my mind

[fading pagoda]

update 5 is skin system and nests

which wont take very long

[hallow spire]

Yea ppl would play a lot different when diets come in

[zenith vessel]

thats what the roadmap said might be the old one tho

[hallow spire]

I just pray the skin system will be unique

[fading pagoda]

im looking at the new one

yeah the skin system and nesting shouldnt take more than a month and a half

[hallow spire]

The troodon gang need some feather options tho

[wheat field]

Ah. People are gonna push to deino because it will prob not have many restrictions on what it eats 😭

[fading pagoda]

then TROODON BABY THE BEST DINOSAUR NOTHING CAN COMPARE, IT CAN KILL EVERY APEX IN THE GAME NOO QUESTIONS ASKED

[wheat field]

Velo>Rex

[fading pagoda]

yes

[hallow spire]

I think it’s gonna have other deinos on its diet

[wheat field]

Exactly little to no restriction

[zenith vessel]

when my boi megalania coming in he gonna be getting killed most likely XD

[fading pagoda]

lol

[hallow spire]

Megalania: burrow

[fading pagoda]

im most excited for troodon and herra

and beip tbh

beip looks sick

[wheat field]

I was excited for Megalania then I realized how damn small it is

[hallow spire]

I think megalania could get venom like troodon tho but who knows

[slim dragon]

Mega could have resistance to venom

[wraith spindle]

I swear to god if they make deinos preferred food be other deinos...

[zenith vessel]

herra gang

[wheat field]

They won’t

[hallow spire]

Most likely will lol

[zenith vessel]

[fading pagoda]

dear god no

[wraith spindle]

Mega should be like the most toxic boi

As it is in real life

[fading pagoda]

im excited for omnivores

[wraith spindle]

Or well

[zenith vessel]

nah its gonna be berries

[wraith spindle]

Komodo dragons are

[hallow spire]

Survival rate-100% lmao

[fading pagoda]

troodon beip and herra are my wishlist

[wraith spindle]

Sounds good

[fading pagoda]

jonarn convinced me to join the beip stans

[hallow spire]

Mines is troodon,cera,and hererra

[wraith spindle]

I’m flattered

[hallow spire]

If we talking about other things then my wish list is skin system, nesting, and more ai

[fading pagoda]

cera is gonna be great because a ton of the carno bandwagoners will finally have another beeg carnivore

[fading pagoda]

same

literally the exact same

[hallow spire]

Utah ai gonna scare me tho as a juvi lol

Same with rex ai

[fading pagoda]

bro we twins yo

lmao

[hallow spire]

Lol

[wheat field]

Rex ai is gonna be something I despise for the entire time I play the isle

[hallow spire]

It might be slow so don’t worry

[fading pagoda]

i want optional feathers with the skin system

probably not gonna happen

[zenith vessel]

everybody loving herra! LETS GO

[fading pagoda]

i just wanna climb

[wheat field]

Nah that bitch gonna be hiding in a bush and be like and kill my ass

[fading pagoda]

im excited for new hypsi too

[hallow spire]

Who wouldn’t love hererra lol

[zenith vessel]

herra gonna be assassins creed up in this

[fading pagoda]

im interested how they are going to balance climbing between hypsi and herra

[wheat field]

Ima bout snipe you out of that tree with some terrible ranged hyspi spit

[hallow spire]

It will be in the future

[granite gate]

i have a feeling my love for it will diminish slightly the 30th time i am ambushed in the forest lmao

[fading pagoda]

even if its not full feathers

[hallow spire]

Hypsi:☺️

Hererra:

Hypsi:

Does that help lol

[fading pagoda]

like feathers on the arms, head and tail is all i want

[fading pagoda]

lol that seems about right

[hallow spire]

Same I don’t want a 100% chicken tho

[fading pagoda]

yeah

[zenith vessel]

hypsi bad

[fading pagoda]

@zenith vessel read my balance feedback post about hypsi

[hallow spire]

The hypsi army will come for u

Oh nvm I forgot they can’t aim

[zenith vessel]

XD

[fading pagoda]

i think hypsi will be able to scale trees faster than herra and possibly move throughout them faster

otherwise whats the point

something like that

when herra comes out its gonna be able to climb trees

devs

[hallow spire]

Dondi

[fading pagoda]

herrera can climb

[hallow spire]

And pounce

From the trees

[fading pagoda]

yeah

yup

its confirmed

[crude niche]

wait are u fr right now

[fading pagoda]

and its gonna be awesome

[hallow spire]

They can pounce big things too but rip off a chunk of it and run lol

[crude niche]

look at the- concept art?

[hallow spire]

Utah getting something similar

I think

[fading pagoda]

yeah its gonna be able to legit clmb and jump between trees

its sick

granted its not scientiffically accurate, and it would make more sense for hypsi to burrow, but climbing is also amazing

[hallow spire]

In a concept art a Utah ran up a tree and escaped from a carno so maybe it will get something like that but not be better than hererra at it

Yea that lol

[fading pagoda]

yeah its gonna be able to climb like herra

uhhhh

is it tho

lmao

[crude niche]

i mean you can literally climb trees rn ingame as hypsi

[fading pagoda]

it was in a stream

yeah

but you gotta admit its gonna be cool

[crude niche]

personally, arboreal dryo when- just saying

[fading pagoda]

burrowing as dryo when

[crude niche]

imagine hitting a tree as a rex and hearing dryo 4 calls as they leap from branch to branch away from you like monkies

[fading pagoda]

it doesnt NEED it but it would make it more interesting and more people would be playing it

[hallow spire]

Imagine evrima with all the dinos and 100% no lag or bugs

[crude niche]

modify the model to have bigger arms and claws, then it can slash at carnivores to have a better chance, win win situation

[zenith vessel]

flying spino when?

[fading pagoda]

lmao

but you gotta admit that climbing hypsi is gonna be awesome

[zenith vessel]

just saying, give it a red bull it will have wings in no time then it can compete with quetz

[fading pagoda]

especially if they get rid of the jump debuff and make the spit actually useable

oro is gonna burrow

i saw someone in this chat say that earlier

[crude niche]

spino could only achive flight if given the actual proportions from the 2021 study, the tail fin is now used as a wing, as veritbre allows it to split into two. Educate yourself, ignorant man

[fading pagoda]

microraptor when

[hallow spire]

I wonder if compy would be able to be eaten if u ambush them while there eating gore

It would make good food for babies I think so yes maybe

[fading pagoda]

i would play compy

i love smaller dinos

[zenith vessel]

[fading pagoda]

troodon, ptera, hypsi (when it gets buffed), herra and beip are gonna be my mains

[crude niche]

well i mean they're adding edible lizards, turtles, birds, etc for easier access to food for juvies and small carnivores

[fading pagoda]

ptera is already my current main

[crude niche]

seeing as they wont be hunting all the time

[zenith vessel]

Well i would play any mainly mid tiers and herra as i dont wanna spend 10 hours for a rex or however long its gonna take

[crude niche]

small mammals aswell

[fading pagoda]

yeah smaller mammals would be great

[hallow spire]

Same idk why but I always find there play style better there faster than big dinos and u gotta play smarter with them too instead of being able to kill anything else so easily it’s more satisfying so smaller dinos> big dinos

[zenith vessel]

you know what just let us play as a bacteria

[crude niche]

personally compy should be ai aswell, only spawning to eat corpses- seeing as wtf is compy going to do when you play as it. Just play troodon or hypsi

[crude niche]

well those would all be ai lmao

[hallow spire]

True

[fading pagoda]

a really fun addition would be the super small pterasaurs that could live on sauropods backs and eat bugs

[zenith vessel]

[fading pagoda]

they would never add it but it would be fun

[zenith vessel]

Everyone is downvoting for stuff like this for some reason, like birds cleaning teeth

[fading pagoda]

why

i dont understand

[zenith vessel]

idk

its a cool idea

[fading pagoda]

nothing would be bad in the situation

we know

[crude niche]

a whole ai decomposition and bacteria system is plausible though, just to liven up the world- hell lets get a whole matter interaction system, each atom shall be rendered and animated just as so

[fading pagoda]

we know they would never add it. Its just cool to dream y'know

[crude niche]

not rlly, when a dinosaur sits down for long enough it would open its mouth and small ai birds would clean your teeth, like an idle animation

[zenith vessel]

dude they adding diet system like that aint too much work they also releasing a dino with it

[crude niche]

its a bird, go download one for free off of the unreal market, not to to mention 7k is highly overestimating it, the cost of an asset comes from the time it takes to do things, employees work of of hourly wage not commision money, the big numbers come from paying all these devs for each hour they work on something

a bird model and animation would take what, 40-60 minutes for sculpting and 20 for rigging, animation would be what, an hour at most?

even then, just DOWNLOAD ONE OFF THE UNREAL MARKET

[fading pagoda]

they should add things like this after mechanics and priority things are added. I agree its a cool idea, but there are more important things to do first

[crude niche]

its F R E E

[crude niche]

well obviously, its just a suggestion

the game just needs more things for players to do outside of combat, if im not attacking a herb as a carnivore what am i doing? looking for something to attack. once you get to adult as an animal the gameplay just stagnates and you have nothing to do. There lacks a proper gameplay loop if you want to keep your adult, even small things like managing keratin overgrowth on your crests by shaving them on rocks, or maintaining a marked territory for bonus stats, something to give the game substance

[fading pagoda]

thats gonna be fixed with nesting and more piscivores

[wraith spindle]

is the cave safe yet or will my Deino drown there?

[fading pagoda]

idk

dont play deino

jonarn prob wants to go afk somehwere safe

[wheat field]

I can tell you 🙃

[crude niche]

how does that fix it, if i want to keep my rex alive after i grow it instead of dying to grow something else i dont want my only thing to do to nest babies in, i want to live and do things around the island, not just trying to find dinosaurs to kill 24/7

[wheat field]

It is very safe now, they fixed it after stress test

[crude niche]

diets just make me pick and choose who i eat, not anything else, that still does not fix the problem

[fading pagoda]

nesting will give you a purpose to do things

you can raise young and provide for them

[wheat field]

You don’t have to be an elder you know that right

[crude niche]

being an elder involves killing my dinosaur, and then having to regrow, that has nothing to do with basic gameplay

what do i do if im not an elder?

[wheat field]

Perks and Possible Strain seems pretty interesting...

[wheat field]

You are a regular dino

[fading pagoda]

@crude niche nesting will give you purpose. Rearing young will give you reasons to hunt and fish, and protect them

it will also give you an incentive to travel and find safer places

[crude niche]

yes and what do i do, with that regular dinosaur, walk around and kill people is all i can do right now

[wheat field]

Yes.

Literally a survival game what did you expect lol

[crude niche]

if im a full adult t rex, im not tying to grow, i cant just hunt 24/7, thats boring ass gameplay, theres nothing to do when you dont need to survive

[wheat field]

Nesting...

[fading pagoda]

FIND A FUCKING MATE AND NEST

[fading pagoda]

I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR THE PAST 10 MINUTES

[crude niche]

and what then? do i just kill myself after i nest in babies and raise them

[wheat field]

@crude niche you are playing a survival game what are you expecting?

[fading pagoda]

if you are a t-rex that would take like 10 hours

[wheat field]

You need to be realistic with your expectations

[fading pagoda]

also you can make multiple nests

yes

thats it

[wheat field]

Not that simple for the elder part

Gotta follow a strict diet

[fading pagoda]

once you bored, you can die and restart, or you can pass your elder perks onto a younger version of yourself

[wheat field]

Honestly I have no idea what your expecting us to say @crude niche

[crude niche]

in survival there are 3 main things animals do, sustain themselves- eat, hunt, drink, reproduce, and then theres the time in between, real life animals interact with eachother and their enviroment, sharpen their claws, groom themselves, keep up territory, etc etc. The isle has none of that third part, which is why we need something along those lines to fill the time

[fading pagoda]

literally what i do with my adult utah is search for bb raptors to raise until nesting comes out

[crude niche]

i understand nesting, elders, etc are going to be in the game, but there needs to be that in between time

thats what matters most

[wheat field]

Territory part is coming with Diets and the rest is quite literally irrelevant

[fading pagoda]

also new maps and stuff

the game is in beta rn

dont be afraid

[crude niche]

when humans are added it will get a lot better, because now you have that to interact with, but there needs to be some more depth to that time without humans aswell

im not saying the game is ass because of it, its suggestion discussion, im discussing a suggestion

[fading pagoda]

there will be loads of content

[crude niche]

meanwhile im getting people telling me my suggestion is wrong? which isnt the point of the channel or the conversation atall

you act like i dont understand that, i never once said the game needs this stuff immediately or its shit

i didnt complain? its a SUGGESTION DISCUSSION CHANNEL

im discussing a suggestion idea i have

not once did i say i hate this game why cant i jerk off as a dinosaur, god im refunding

im starting to question your mental ability here..

how, what?

i think my brain is starting to rot, you have fun man

not gonna subject myself to this anymore lmao

[wheat field]

Yo

Wtf is this

[crude niche]

the funny

[wheat field]

Its not funny...

[crude niche]

your right

its hilarious

[zenith vessel]

its very funny what do you mean?

[silent comet]

NeRf TeNo

[desert wave]

[silent comet]

Its too good, it can almost kill a carno like how can this even be possible???

[hollow canyon]

Why "almost"? Teno rather handily takes down a Carno atm

[silent comet]

yea how is it even a thing killing a carno like it breaks the logic, buff carno!

[hollow canyon]

Carno doesn't need buffs nor does Teno need nerfs atm. There aren't enough Tenontos to make it oppressive at all currently. As time goes on it might need to get toned down later on perhaps but so far I think it's fine more or less.

There are far bigger issues with the game atm than either Tenonto or Carno.

Stego being able to swing just 10 times is one of them. Deino being a jumping machine-gun croc is another.

@tulip sparrow
There goes your "immortal stego"

[tulip sparrow]

I knew someone was a gonna say something about immortal

[hollow canyon]

Probably not the right word to use then

Deino can kill Stego just fine if you know how to

[tulip sparrow]

Still, it’s quite easy to stay out of range and tail whip

[silent comet]

I was making fun of people who genuinely think that teno needs to be nerfed and even make suggestions about it, for me teno should be stronger in a fight carno vs teno, I see carnos who just facetank tenos and kill them. Surely the skill matters alot especially as teno but yea

[hollow canyon]

@silent cometI know

I personally think Tenonto might be slightly too good atm

It's not oppressive though so it's more or less fine for now

When more animals are introduced and it overperfoms then that might be a basis for a nerf then.

Idk how a Carno can facetank a Tenonto btw. That just seems like utter incompetence on Tenontos part

I've had this fight two days ago and I ran and traded with Carno like an utter idiot, trading claw swipes for bites and still ended up taking it down in the end.

[silent comet]

ik, pretty sure the teno wasnt good

[hollow canyon]

The moment a Carno gets hit with the tailslam/kick the fight should be over unless Tenonto's not paying attention or something

[hollow canyon]

That's only the case when Deino isn't playing it properly. When you're about to fight a Stego you can't try to dance around it as Deino. Both Utah and Carno can take down a Stego by baiting its swings out until it goes out of stamina but Deino can't fight like that - you have to go in and go in hard.

If you hesitate you will die 100%

If you don't you have a decent chance to take it down if you aim your attacks properly

In general if you want to fight it there's a couple of details that you have to take into consideration, your best bet is to attack it from the water. Your lunge doesn't grab it but it does stun it

It can't attack you during that time

You then want to aim your bites at its head - it doesn't matter if its body is in the way. As long as you hit the head you're good even if you're biting the head through its body.

It takes some determination and you need to be decisive in what you're doing. You can't back off after you go for the kill. You just alt bite aiming for its head and if you aim your attacks correctly it will go down.

There's also a little trick with mixing alt bite with the normal bite as a finisher to animation-cancel

[modest carbon]

Since carno can bite when stunned, if you tailslam too early it can run up into your ass and just delete your head without it taking any headshots from your tail

Hilarious to watch my weakling herd buddies just fail and kerplop to carnos

[sinful cove]

Carno biting while stunned is still a thing? Yikes lol

[hollow canyon]

Apparently it re-appeared. I haven't been able to bite while stunned by a Tenonto when I was testing it though and I haven't been bitten by any Carno that I've stunned myself.

But idk some people say that Carnos can bite while stunned

[lean shoal]

pretty sure carno can but its really buggy.

[modest carbon]

You can also pounce out of a stun

[sinful cove]

That's a double yikers

[modest carbon]

If you get kicked by a teno you can just pounce 40 feet away and survive

[lean shoal]

still in the boat to remove utah.

[hollow canyon]

While I was testing it and got stunned pressing lmb did absolutely nothing and I couldn't bite so I wouldn't be too sure about that

[hallow spire]

Y?

[lean shoal]

only reason i dont outwardly dispise utahs is because they would make good food for bary, cerato and pachy.

[hallow spire]

Pachy? Lmao

[lean shoal]

playerbase is either tryhards or roleplayers still. they never learn lol.

[sinful cove]

Utah was removed, it was replaced by ultimate shameless jp velociraptor

[hallow spire]

That doesn’t mean u should remove them but ok lmao

[modest carbon]

Actually if a carno gets up in your ass as a teno it can avoid being stunned and bite your face off, that mightve been what happened

[lean shoal]

i find great pleasure in running utahs down as pachy in legacy. dont see why i wouldent enjoy it in evrima.

[hallow spire]

[hallow spire]

Oh nah I get that it’s just u said they would make good food for pachy😂

[modest carbon]

Ai pachy should just beeline for anything small and delete everything

[lean shoal]

pachy is a carnivore. didnt you know that?

[hallow spire]

Lol agreed

[lean shoal]

coming into pachy territory should feel scarry as a small animal. the ambience just goes quiet as the pachys hunt for victims.

[hallow spire]

Pachy gonna be cool to play as and hunt tho

[lean shoal]

i hope they dont change the eating sounds for pachy. those have nostalgia for me.

[modest carbon]

Just pachy screeches in the distance

[dim radish]

Little piggy screeches

[hallow spire]

I just wanna swarm everything as a troodon pack

[dim radish]

I wanna snatch eggs as Ovi and climb as a Hera

[sinful cove]

Ovi is in my top list of fav dinos i hope he doesn’t get shafted like dryo and hypsi

[dim radish]

Itty bitty omnivorous lil pecker

[modest carbon]

Ovi is like, the galli herrera hypsi

[dim radish]

Its screeches shall haunt nesting parents

[dim radish]

It's literally not but ok

[sinful cove]

Ovi looks like it will just be small galli as far as gameplay goes but i hope he is more than that

[dim radish]

That is true

[sinful cove]

They cram troodon with abilities and ovi is pretty naked thus far, shame

[dim radish]

What about making Ovi an all-rounder except for fighting

And tanking stuff

Because Ovi feels like it relies on stealth and running away and hiding

It should be able to carry pretty well, it should be able to dodge attackers quite well, it should maybe get a fairly quick crouch, since it has to stay undetected until it strikes and it should have the best egg smell

[silent comet]

It started with "buff deino" then "buff carno" and "nerf teno", "nerf stego" and now we are at "remove utah"

[slim dragon]

Crouching sprint for Ovi ftw

[dim radish]

Wait when did that happen?

[zenith vessel]

Sounds interesting

This is balance feedback

[vagrant mural]

Remove utah add nova

[zenith vessel]

[silent comet]

umm I...- I genuently think that Teno is a bit too weak in a matchup against Carno considering the fact that teno also takes longer to grind. 2 carnos can pretty much facetank a teno, even in a 1v1 carno can just win it by either bleeding him or getting a stun that lasts longer than tenos and in this case teno cant bite while stunned. Also the carnivore especially carno playerbase is most overpopulated one making it just not worth playing teno atm, its just my opinion. Does anyone else see it this way or am I the only one?

[grave veldt]

teno vs carno is a 50/50 despite what anyone says

but also this is why teno takes less time to grow then a carno

so its perfectly fine as it is

[silent comet]

oh so teno actually grows faster, anyway carno seems to be able to counter every class atm even stego in some cases. Idk if it should be this way

[grave veldt]

stego is actually the only one it doesnt counter

although the root of the issue is how bad stego is rn

[silent comet]

with numbers it does

[grave veldt]

numbers dont come into play when balancing something

u have to balance things on 1v1

[silent comet]

and its getting quite common to see groups of 8+ carnos

[grave veldt]

thats not a stego problem tho

thats just how it is rn

[silent comet]

true

[grave veldt]

although stego still sucks for a lot of reasons

[silent comet]

in longer fights stego will die due to its op stamina

[grave veldt]

u mean trash stam?

[silent comet]

yup

[grave veldt]

stego can only swing 10 times rn

its rly garbage

u literally cannot make any mistakes

or u die

[silent comet]

best way to survive is to camp with ur head in a big tree

balanc

[grave veldt]

yes but even then u'll still probably die if u make 1-2 mistakes its rly sad

10 swings is so little

[silent comet]

ye

[grave veldt]

this is literally stegos only weapon

it doesnt have anything else

[left scroll]

it does have a little bite iirc but its basically useless

[grave veldt]

it already has massive disadvantages

no need for it have more

[silent comet]

herbis are too bad to make people play it in big numbers atm

[grave veldt]

teno is good actually

if only ppl played it

[silent comet]

stego is just bad and carno beats teno most of the time due to its numbers

[grave veldt]

ppl dont play herbis cuz hehe i wanna be carni

also it doesnt help that the roster is super limited so

[silent comet]

and yet they still cry that carno needs to be buffed

[grave veldt]

carno def doesnt need a buff lol

[silent comet]

ik some people write in suggestions that carno needs a buff, its funny to me

[grave veldt]

if anything it needs a running radius nerf

ppl write lots of things that make 0 sense

some ppl complained about stego one shotting utah

ppl find so many reasons to complain

[silent comet]

carnos stamina regen feels kinda too fast for me

[grave veldt]

it is

when i did it

it was fully regened in like 50-70 seconds

and it was around 90-100 seconds of actual stam

my numbers might be off

i did it b4

[silent comet]

utahs stam doesnt even regen so fast, or bit faster dunno but it still doesnt make sense

[grave veldt]

lemme find the message i sent i tested it b4

couldnt find it

[wheat field]

1min 30sec of stam for carno I remember the message

[grave veldt]

life saver

[wheat field]

50sec to regen it while sitting

[grave veldt]

yea stam regen should be upped

its a little too fast

70-90 seconds is good

[wheat field]

Yeah Carno is a speed demon but has to sit down for a min and that big boy is booking it again

[grave veldt]

ye

[wraith spindle]

I hope when they add the Galli, that they basically make it the Pteranodon of the gound. Make it crazy fast, but maybe make its hunger drain fast so you need to run around eating frequently. I want to run very, very fast

[hallow spire]

Same

[hallow spire]

That sucks if something is going that fast it should have a long stam regen kinda like a cheetah

[wraith spindle]

agreed. I prefer big stam but slow recovery

[dawn falcon]

Carnos Stam regen should be longer, it’s acceleration should be longer, it’s SKID when turning mid-way should go farther (about the length of the carno.

That’s about it IMO

No need to nerf it’s damage when you can just outright dodge it and run

[modest carbon]

^ precisely

[mellow zenith]

Agree

[hallow spire]

@alpine plover juvi Utah will eventually get its pounce it was just broken at some point so they had to take it out but they’ll work on it someday I hope

[sinful cove]

They probably made dryo faster than utah because they didn't feel like making its dodge actually worth using instead

[hallow spire]

Lol yea and I don’t see a problem with dryo being faster

[granite gate]

temp fix

are dryos faster than carnos?

[sinful cove]

I think it should be faster than what it was before this patch, just barely slower than utah but with an actual good dodge would work

[lament cloak]

they said they were going to revamp dryo, it just isnt high on their bucket list atm

[sinful cove]

Dont think its faster than carno, just a few km/h faster than utah

[granite gate]

hm interesting

[sinful cove]

Honestly though i guess its good they at least bandaided it even if its an underwhelming change

[hallow spire]

Yea carno still the fastest thing on land and it’s most likely gonna stay that way

[sinful cove]

It apparently causes a few more utahs to starve to death so i can’t conplain

[hallow spire]

Dryos almost already non existent so meh

[vagrant mural]

dryo shouldn't outspeed utah

it already outspeeds and outmaneuevers it

outspeeding it basically just makes it legacy galli where it's untouchable by anything

[sinful cove]

It could be lowered to like 52 when its dodge isnt garbage

What was utah speed again

[vagrant mural]

idk

[sinful cove]

Oh utah is 52 apparently

Well dryo could be 51 when his dodge isnt trash

[vagrant mural]

make it like 47 or 48

that way dryo has to think more than just out juking and outstamming it while only having to worry about 1 mph difference

[sinful cove]

Depends on how well the dodge is really (and whatever other utility dryo might get)

[vagrant mural]

dodge should be more like a "oh shit I need to dodge this thing rn than get back on running", and burrow invasion is also a neat concept

[sinful cove]

Dodge should be an actual dodge and not a shitty unaimable sidestep that wastes stam just to halt your acceleration. Omnidirectional, aimable, not interrupting movement, this would make it worth it. Burrow modifying (not creating) and great nightvision are two other things dryo could have

[vagrant mural]

yes

[hollow canyon]

Dryo used to run at a speed of 50km/h and it was just fine back then. I had no issues getting away from Utahs even when I was marginally slower than them. I think the speed buff should simply be reverted.

[sinful cove]

50km/h is fine, hopefully they get on the dodge before reverting its bandaid buff though

Hypsi and dryo seem to have been released in a very sloppy state

Which is a shame

[hollow canyon]

I don't think that's even necessary. Any works on Dryo won't be taking place for some time from what I can see. And Dryo shouldn't be this good at surviving.

I'd just revert it for now and leave it in the state it was in prior to the update. It was just fine back then.

[sinful cove]

It was pretty lame back then honestly

It's still lame now but it's good for KOSing juvies which is what everyone else is doing anyway

[hollow canyon]

The animal plays exactly the same right now the only difference is that currently it doesn't die at all unless you do something absolutely asinine.

I think the last time I've died as a Dryo I was trying to take on an adult Deino - not a good idea btw - you have to try really hard to die with it atm.

[sinful cove]

Dryo players still throw themselves in harms way a lot, least the few i've seen are still just cocky trolls getting themselves killed

But its better than them being utter shite

[hollow canyon]

They weren't bad before either. I've been killing young carnivores with it just fine during update 2. It's just... I was actually at risk of dying back then.

[sinful cove]

If they dont want to fix its ability that they lazily slapped on to it they shouldnt punish it with stats that match an actual functional ability

[hollow canyon]

Atm it got much easier because of the speed buff, changes to Utah's pounce and Carno's stamina

The animal was perfectly functional in its previous state though.

[sinful cove]

It was pretty boring but opinions are opinions

[hollow canyon]

It's just as boring now

and sees the same amount of play

[sinful cove]

So no reason to revert the change until it has actual care put into its ability

Hypsi and dryo were thrown out half baked

Like the devs just wanted to get them over with

And no plans in the near future to fix them apparently

[hollow canyon]

There's a reason actually - the animal shouldn't be as good at surviving as it is right now. I understand that it's not exactly played much and it kills only juvies but it still shouldn't do it quite this much without a care

Previously there was risk that you could get pounced by an adult Utah while trying to take out the small utahs

Carno also had far more stamina to the point where it could try to chase you, albeit the chance of it catching you were pretty low but it was some threat, atm it's about as threatening as Hypsi

[sinful cove]

The risk is still there i've seen carnos and utahs kill dryo players, it is just in the clear when it ends in an actual chase

Which is kinda boring, but still better than being both slow and having a lazy and poorly done ability

[hollow canyon]

Well if they facetank them then yea they can die

It wasn't slow though, it was still a relatively fast animal, just not quite fast enough to be immortal

[sinful cove]

Well we can just agree to disagree, it should keep its lazy bandaid until its lazy ability is actually worked on, that's just my stance

[hollow canyon]

Currently Dryo allows you to stay alive even in situations where it absolutely shouldn't be staying alive and that is an issue. It's not a big issue but the animal is definitely way too good. Speaking in terms of survival it would be far better left without any ability at all if it got to keep these ridiculous stats. The fact that it does 75dmg is a different issue altogether but I suppose unless people start losing larger animals to Dryos it won't really be something that will be perceived as weird.

As much as Deino is not really killable I believe I think Stego could probably be griefed by a couple of Dryos with ease.

Might even give it a shot and try to 1v1 some Stegos when i get a chance to do so

[vagrant mural]

Current Dryo is basically just legacy Galli

Insane survivability

And decent damage/ juvi killing abilities

[hallow spire]

[hollow canyon]

@remote zinc Deino's alt bite pretty much definitely needs some stamina cost. Decreasing stamina regeneration on land however is a bit of an overkill as it already has the lowest stamina regeneration in the game.

I also think 15 bites/attacks for either Stego or Deino is too little. Both should have at least 20. Killing an animal this size should take some time and with 15 bites it would be a bit too ease, especially considering that Deino, unlike Stego, needs to land quite a couple of those on the terrestrial animals to take them out.

I'm generally in favour of also decreasing the alt bite rate because it's just ridiculous that Deino bites this slowly yet it can bite much faster as long as it also throws its whole body around.

[wheat field]

Well thats just jerking yourself in a direction to make sure you can land a quick and efficient bite

But I do see your point

[hollow canyon]

Yea I mean that you should be able to bite faster than you can bite while throwing yourself around, it's just... weird that this is the way it works.

It would also make more sense balance-wise.

If normal bite was faster than alt bite then Deino would actually want to keep facing you rather than not care about which way it's looking at all.

[wheat field]

Personally I think Alt bites just need a Frontal Restriction. That way you can’t alt bite things directly infront of you to get rid of this stupid alt bite deino meta

[hollow canyon]

I don't see a reason to make it "unable to alt bite forward" just seems like a weird restriction imo. Wouldn't it be easier to just let it alt-bite with the speed with which it can perform normal bites currently and then have the normal bites be performed as fast as the current alt bites?

[wheat field]

Then alt bite for deino serves no purpose cause the entire point is defense on land

And since everything is faster than deino... making alt bite slower is not a good thing

[hollow canyon]

It absolutely does serve purpose - its intended one: you use it to turn around and bite things behind you rather than trying to increase your dps.

I'm not saying that it should "bite" slower.

I'm saying it should have a cooldown between bites the way normal bite does.

As in - the bite is as fast as currently but you can't just spam them in a quick succession as you do currently.

I may have been unclear about this, I most definitely don't want Deino to turn around and bite slower while alt-biting. I just want it to take a longer time before it can throw itself around again.

[wraith spindle]

I've heard people say Dryo isn't getting its burrow back. I was just wondering if there's any reasoning for this? cus that would make it more interesting

[dim crown]

https://tenor.com/view/what-happens-to-us-in-the-future-what-does-our-future-look-like-can-you-tell-us-our-future-what-about-our-future-what-happens-to-us-going-forward-gif-16489524

[lament cloak]

because it doesn't need it

it would be way better if they just fixed its dodge and gave burrowing to the other 5 animals that actually need it

[dim crown]

Fix Dodge? Whats the problem with it? Or problems?

[lament cloak]

it is worthless, its much better to just turn regularly.

[dim crown]

Im makin a vid about it, Dodge is cool, imo.

[lament cloak]

its better to let taco, homa, proto, and minmi burrow and let dryo run around. however it would be cool if dryo could enter burrows, and share with the original creators or kick them out

[dim crown]

Its just not something 2 use all the time, drains 2 much stam , for certain situations.

[dim crown]

I want BURROW FIGHTS

[lament cloak]

so dryo might get a mechanic where it can expand existing burrows, but it cannot make its own

[dim crown]

Neat

Dryo burrowing might be 2 OP, yes.

[lament cloak]

dryo wasn't actually meant to get burrows in legacy, it was a placeholder for when actual burrowers made it to survival. at least thats what I heard.

dryo burrowing would be pretty op, burrows should be saved for the slower small animals like the ones I listed above