balance-feedback-discussion

[brittle bronze]

come fight me

[vagrant mural]

BECAUSE CARNOS ARE SUPPOSED TO KILL UTAHS

[dawn falcon]

Not right now lmfao

[sudden field]

a good teno can take on utah packs and with a kick that knocks down even carno and a tailslam that 4 shots carno with headshots its plenty able to defend itself

[brittle bronze]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dawn falcon]

Bad point to make, but anyways

[silent comet]

carno comparing to teno is way better in everything thats why people choose carno over teno

[dawn falcon]

No way

[vapid fable]

teno is very capable, killing bad carnos with teno is a lot of fun

[grave veldt]

no its because everyone wants to be carno

[dawn falcon]

Carno is not way better in everything wtf are you smoking

[brittle bronze]

Carno is top tier, thats why

[silent comet]

oh it isnt? tell me how

[dawn falcon]

It’s stamina is slowly turning shit right now so it can chase things down for huge distances like it used to

[grave veldt]

sure but so is teno

[vapid fable]

carno has trash stam and worst turn radius

[solid storm]

I'm sorry but the game is 75% denio's, not everyone wants to be a carno

[dawn falcon]

And a pack of Utah’s can take down a carno almost easily

I’ve seen it happen

[silent comet]

thats it?

[grave veldt]

big true u right lol

[vapid fable]

wdym that's it lol @silent comet

[silent comet]

a pack of utah can take down teno too btw

[vapid fable]

what else do you want to nerf

[brittle bronze]

2 utahs can take a teno

1 utah can, infact

[silent comet]

?

[dawn falcon]

But a teno is more capable of handling a pack than a carno

[vapid fable]

sounds to me you just hate carno because you can't kill it with ease

[golden coral]

@brittle bronzeImagine if we had real life utah in this game, so many people would be ever so disappointed :p

[brittle bronze]

ikr

[silent comet]

1 utah cant kill 1 carno / 1 utah can kill 1 teno

[dawn falcon]

what

Lmao

[languid frost]

In which world are carnos meant to kill utahs? I mean, even with the weight difference they should be more or less a equal match, one stronger and faster, one more agile and able to ass ride it and pounce it

[grave veldt]

pls just stop

[dawn falcon]

I’ve seen solo Utah’s kill a carno

Wtf

[brittle bronze]

im calling BS right here

[silent comet]

ive seen juvie utah kill stego

WTF

[alpine plover]

I already explained why this is a stupid thing to say

[grave veldt]

bro this is so fucked

carno is literally meant to hunt specifically smaller dinos

[alpine plover]

your reasoning is literally “if you avoid the attack that kills you utah can easily kill teno” @silent comet

[silent comet]

yes and u cant avoid carnos m1 spam so there u go

[golden coral]

The game balance. No such thing as assriding in Evirma anyway, or not meant to be. They're not equal because the carno is designed to shit on the utah. That's what carno do, hunt small game.

[dawn falcon]

Clearly these people haven’t been playing enough to find out how easily a solo Utah can take down a carno

[brittle bronze]

I beg you to come solo me

[grave veldt]

^^^^^^^

[brittle bronze]

people spout such shite on here

[dawn falcon]

Same answer

[silent comet]

i want u to 1v1 me utah vs carno lol and lets see how u will win as utah

[brittle bronze]

i've already called you out

[solid storm]

100% agree

[golden coral]

@brittle bronzeLet me know how that duel goes!

[vapid fable]

you probably killed a very noob carno if you soloed it, that's the only case i can think of

[brittle bronze]

come solo me, i have a server to grow us on rn

i beg you

[languid frost]

Yes me, more than 10 times before this update @dawn falcon and so what?

[dawn falcon]

With what? Flawed logic or calling it “BS” lol that’s not really calling out

[silent comet]

I sAw A uTaH kIlL cArNo So ItS bAlAnCeD

[brittle bronze]

lmao

Carno shits over utahs you're insane

a good carno anyhow

[dawn falcon]

Yep these people don’t watch Dbear either

Welcome to the isle community

[languid frost]

@golden coral that's the mistake they thrown a little shit as a small game and called it utah lmao sure dilo will be bigger and heavier than utah too 😂 😂

[vapid fable]

people that watch dbear aren't the best players lol

[alpine plover]

carno is meant to kill utah

[solid storm]

Who cares who what does, I've killed solo carnos who were good as utah id all depends on what people do

[dawn falcon]

And there we go, this guy’s flame baiting cause he has nothing else to do

I see

[brittle bronze]

if you've solo'd a carno as a utah the carno is shit

[vapid fable]

@dawn falcon dbear has a fairly noob community just so you know

[vagrant mural]

Dilo is going to be bigger tho... and Utah is in the small size group...

[dawn falcon]

I meant dbear himself not his community

Even ScopeOG

[golden coral]

It might very well be yes, dilo got an upsize, so did cerato I think. Everything gets upsizes except my beloved stego. Anky got one too you know!

[brittle bronze]

get him on here, ill 1v1 his utah

[vapid fable]

id like to see you solo a carno as utah

[brittle bronze]

lots of bullshit on here today

[solid storm]

Rend so if you pounce a carno then just bleed him then reapply pounce and do nothing but avoid him and bleed him, he's shyt?

[vapid fable]

not a noob carno

someone that knows what they're doing

[brittle bronze]

you can 100% land a bite after a pounce, come pounce me

[alpine plover]

we have no reason to think either got a upsize

[brittle bronze]

let me get a free hit in

[solid storm]

Some of your logic of dog water proves you should not make suggestions

[brittle bronze]

headshot at that

[vapid fable]

because im gonna say this i can solo a utah as carno 100 times and i won't lose once

[silent comet]

if utah pounces in 1v1 utah gets hit easy as that

[brittle bronze]

100%

[dawn falcon]

Who’s to say the Utah will pounce LOl

[golden coral]

Pretty sure they got a weight upsize, is what I was referring to with anky and cerato. But dilo did get a size upgrade, if it will be in game, I don't know, maybe not. But it's bigger than we thought. Anky also turns out to weigh a whole lot, it's so fat and round! :p

[silent comet]

and people who say that carno is balanced bcs they "saw" someone kill carno as utah are nuts

[brittle bronze]

So you're going to what, bite me?

[dawn falcon]

Headshots are easy with Utah. Just gotta learn to time it right

[solid storm]

So first you cry that pounce is broken now you sit here and say how easily you overcome pounce, class is out of session.

[silent comet]

all u do as carno is m1 spam and utah cant do sht lol

[languid frost]

Ffs wtf are these guys doing with this game lol, at least they should upsize taco and make it brachiosaurus size 😂 😂

[proud anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-watching-weekend-vibe-gif-5457118

[brittle bronze]

i mean, pounce is broken, and you can land guaranteed hits afterwards, not sure what planet you're on

[grave veldt]

ur still flame baiting?

[vapid fable]

I dont understand why you think carno is broken, I've disproved all of your points about carno being broken

[languid frost]

That would be funny shit instead of just randomly make dinos the size they want instead as they should be

[silent comet]

sure thing

[dawn falcon]

And clearly you haven’t watched a Utah that knows what they’re doing take on a carno. Case closed

[brittle bronze]

you cant take me on as a carno playing a utah, case closed

[vagrant mural]

They use accurate sizes for the most part

[dawn falcon]

And here you go again, arrogant as ever. Gday flame baiter

[brittle bronze]

I'm calling you out

[vapid fable]

@silent comet carno has trash stam, worst turn in the game, you complaining about not being able to kill carno as utah easily is like saying why can't my dryo group kill this rex

[brittle bronze]

you've done nothing but big yourself up claiming this and that, and im asking for you to do it

[silent comet]

good utah vs noob carno = good player most likely wins
good utah vs good carno = carno wins

[grave veldt]

and thats how its meant to be

[vagrant mural]

Carno should be a bit toned down but it’s fair currently

[languid frost]

For the most, not for creatures that could fuck the others and make them complaining and crying cause "deeevs a small thing killed my super mega big apex" the same way most stego players did and then they fucked the pounce so now you die after

[vapid fable]

why must you kill it? it's faster and stronger than you, plus, you can always run away

[silent comet]

yes, yet some people will say that they saw how utah killed carno and that carno doesnt need any nerfs

[vapid fable]

what about carno do you want to nerf? @silent comet

[grave veldt]

carno rly doesnt need a nerf tho

[vapid fable]

they just nerfed carno stam huge time

[silent comet]

m1 spam for sure

[dawn falcon]

Why does carno need a nerf

[grave veldt]

they literally just nerfed m1 spam

lol

[vagrant mural]

Just make charge more useful

[vapid fable]

and that turn, i dont know how you can nerf it more

[dawn falcon]

So you’re saying increase the bite cool down?

[vapid fable]

they nerfed that too

[golden coral]

Exactly how it should be. What's the issue?

[modest carbon]

didnt they already increase time between carno bites

[grave veldt]

bro they legit just nerfed that

[dawn falcon]

Sounds like he wants it nerfed more

[grave veldt]

[golden coral]

Right, because utahs being able to tailtank things was not an issue at all of course. No, that was just crying, right? ¨¨

[silent comet]

u cant get a hit on carno if he m1 spams so idk how they "fixed" that

[vapid fable]

carno got nerfed in every possible aspect and you're still asking for nerfs

[grave veldt]

[dawn falcon]

If they m1 spam what’s the deal lmao

[grave veldt]

are you flame baiting or something

[dawn falcon]

It’s like saying Utah m1 spamming should get needed

[grave veldt]

cuz this is actually just a bunch of bull shit

[dawn falcon]

Mind you Utah m1 cool down is almost carnos

So should we nerf Utah’s m1 cooldown because it can be spammed’

Like

[vapid fable]

^

[languid frost]

For me only one thing should be nerfed, if they're running at max speed they shouldn't be able to turn 180° instantly and bite or keep running, instead a faster omnidirectional attack

[dawn falcon]

What’s your logic

[languid frost]

Rn that attack is useless

[alpine plover]

why though

[dawn falcon]

That carno should be nerfed

[silent comet]

@dawn falcon didnt u say that utah can 1v1 carno and win no problem?

[alpine plover]

hes too bad to dodge it

[dawn falcon]

Yeah and I’ve seen it lol

But if it’s equal skilled than who knows

[silent comet]

oh uve "seen" it ok

[dawn falcon]

Ok

What if it

Of

[languid frost]

Look it's size, weight and those tiny arms, it can't balance its own body running that fast and turning back like a ballerina drifting, it should fall to the ground

[dawn falcon]

I can just simply bring out a memory from my ass and simply show it here lol

Can’t

[proud anchor]

Carno nerfed? Nah, more like Utah buffed. I'd say 5% buff, and raise all herbies HP pool to match that buff. 5% increase, but watching a Utah fight a Carno is like watching paint dry.

[alpine plover]

its a video game

[silent comet]

nah carno is balanced cuz "it already got nerfed" yk

[alpine plover]

why does any of that matter

[grave veldt]

it did

stop acting like it didnt bruh

[silent comet]

m1 spam is still a thing tho

[vapid fable]

@silent comet you just really hate carno don't you?

[grave veldt]

ur just pulling shit outta ur ass its hella annoying

[alpine plover]

Imagine playing a game with this in it and complaining about realism

[vapid fable]

then your Utah m1 should get nerfed too

they're the same speed

[silent comet]

it could get nerfed, utahs dont spam it anyways cuz they think what they do

[languid frost]

Cause if they make a lot of creatures like shit just to bring food for others, it's just stupid to even make them playable, people will always prefer the biggest/strongest/fastest, a shit ton of dinos will be unused

[vapid fable]

everything you're suggesting is to help you kill carno easier as utah

[sudden field]

in what confrontation is carno overpowered exactly? and megapacks don't count cause the game shouldn't be balanced around those

[vapid fable]

you shouldn't try for that

[alpine plover]

literally just juke carno

[vapid fable]

it's bigger and better so just accept that, you're gonna die if you try

[alpine plover]

its easy

[vapid fable]

same thing with allo vs rex, you're gonna die if you try

[languid frost]

@alpine plover that thing is shit and my eyes will bleed when I see it in game

[alpine plover]

and

did I ask

[silent comet]

not in 100%, carno is just broken comparing to other dinos that actually required skill or any knowledge to play

[solid storm]

All you're describing is a boring game no one would play then

[alpine plover]

he asked

[serene spoke]

just dodge just hide

[old hull]

Imagine playing a game with this in it and complaining about realism https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/isle/images/e/ec/The_isle_utahraptor_new_2020.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20200825030406

[serene spoke]

they say

[grave veldt]

i think ur just flame baiting i think ur just complaining becuz ur salty

[alpine plover]

because thats literally all you have to do

[vapid fable]

im talking about 1v1 only, pack hunting is an entirely different story

[serene spoke]

when a full grown

carno

[alpine plover]

God that model.....

[serene spoke]

is killing a 30%

utah

[vapid fable]

3 allos should kill 1 rex, that's my favorite fight

[alpine plover]

that utah didnt dodge

[serene spoke]

that was me

[vagrant mural]

Food is food

[serene spoke]

and ur wron

[alpine plover]

oh

[serene spoke]

i was in a bush

[alpine plover]

you suck

[languid frost]

Everything I suggest is to make dinos playable and able to survive, which is impossible with a 2tons horned usain bolt behind each tree

[serene spoke]

for 10mins

and he waited

that long

no bud

go away

no one lieks u

[vagrant mural]

That’s on you for sitting in that bush

[grave veldt]

thats ur fault tho

[vapid fable]

if you die to carno as utah you're just bad, it's that simple

[serene spoke]

??

[grave veldt]

u coulda juked it most likely as well

[silent comet]

just make them carnos require brain to play

[alpine plover]

imagine afk growing then complaining

[serene spoke]

i wasnt

m8

[vagrant mural]

You literally sat in a bush, he found you, and he waited then killed you

[serene spoke]

i was running to shallows

then

[alpine plover]

literally sat in a bush and complains that someone found and killed him

[serene spoke]

then

a carno

ran at me

[alpine plover]

ok

[serene spoke]

so i went into a bush to hide

then

[vapid fable]

don't fight carno 1v1 as utah lol how hard is that

[serene spoke]

i waited 10mins

[grave veldt]

ok cool but what does that have do with balance?

[alpine plover]

why didnt you run into the woods and dodge

[languid frost]

@alpine plover you talked about me indirectly so keep that passive aggressive shit away

[serene spoke]

and he was checking everu buhs

just hide

[alpine plover]

who are you

[serene spoke]

just dodge

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-gif-11919610

[alpine plover]

Literally just run into the forest

[serene spoke]

there is a river

to my right

[alpine plover]

And

[serene spoke]

so i cant 😛

[alpine plover]

You’re fault

[serene spoke]

ur funny

[vagrant mural]

So he was looking/was persistent and found you

[serene spoke]

stop talking

[alpine plover]

why would you go there knowing you couldn’t escape

[grave veldt]

bro its literally ur fault stop complaining

[languid frost]

What I described is a complex and complete game challenging for everyone playing everything, not totally made for some players that just want to easily kill things with no effort or skills

[solid storm]

I don't see how you can even compare utah vs carno at this point with the amount of desync that is in the game.

[serene spoke]

yeah

[solid storm]

Bigger bite force will win

[dawn falcon]

He’s still flamebaiting welp

[serene spoke]

kinda dumb

[grave veldt]

not always

[serene spoke]

i get hit from 10 meters away

[ripe zinc]

ez to survive with carnos around though, they can't even jump

[solid storm]

Its in the favor of just biting everywhere, and not always

[proud anchor]

Yeah, what kills me mostly as Utah is when the desync stops my Utah because the hitboxes get all glitched due to the tail getting stuck, making it legit unable to run, free bites for the Carno. Otherwise... It'd probably be no contest.

[grave veldt]

oh ye desync is an issue

[alpine plover]

just juke

[solid storm]

But I'm rocking a rtx 3070 with a 1gig connection and the game has major desync with pack battles, how can you even rate things?

[grave veldt]

what?

[alpine plover]

This conversation is a example on why you shouldn’t balance around bad players

[grave veldt]

^

[alpine plover]

I was able to juke carnos ever since they came out

even before the nerfs

[brittle bronze]

my brother has a 3080 and same issue, the game is badly optimised, really bad.

[serene spoke]

and this is why no one likes u's carno mains bc ur all just toxic. killing a 30% utah for no reason. cause if use the "im hungry" line it will fill 5 % of ur hunger

[brittle bronze]

the netcode is disgustingly bad too

[grave veldt]

they need a net coder

[serene spoke]

so dont use that line

[alpine plover]

you’re a utah and hes hungry

why wouldn’t he kill you

[serene spoke]

and no @alpine plover most people are bad or average

[brittle bronze]

the game is shite in terms of reliability. Its a slow fps freezing de-syncing mess

[serene spoke]

most of the player base is bad or average

so the devs

[alpine plover]

you’re one of the bad players

I mean. carno players are genuinely the worst people, but if you’re hungry you’re hungry

[serene spoke]

ur 1 of the mald toxic carno mains

[ripe zinc]

carno players are saints compared to denio players tbf

[serene spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-clap-clapping-applause-gif-10184275

[alpine plover]

thanks

[grave veldt]

its pretty easy to juke carnos it rly isnt hard

u only get fucked cuz of desync

[serene spoke]

just dodge just run

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-gif-11919610

[alpine plover]

what

[grave veldt]

[alpine plover]

I don’t

[brittle bronze]

we got rambo here who can solo carnos as utahs, remember?

[serene spoke]

ops

[alpine plover]

Unironic gifs

[brittle bronze]

[serene spoke]

hes carno

we forgot

[grave veldt]

ok and?

[ripe zinc]

fight rend, fight rend, fight rend

crowd goes wild

[serene spoke]

@alpine plover no u

[solid storm]

I don't have a single FPS issue, there is a desync sometimes you will get bite and be nowhere near the attacker its a network desync issue and it means most battles have a random outcome with no regard to skill. Not all battles but there is still desync even in 1v1's.

[alpine plover]

[brittle bronze]

calling BS again, everyone has FPS issues, as soon as you hit a loading part you're fucked

[solid storm]

I mean it could be you're card is older?

[alpine plover]

how to escape Carno players-Don’t play the isle

[grave veldt]

go ahead

pick utah

[alpine plover]

epically

[grave veldt]

[brittle bronze]

nothing to do with hardware, again my brother is on a 3080, some of my guys are running 2080's and still the same issue the game is not well optimised at all.

[alpine plover]

not sure if I’m allowed to send the meme here

[grave veldt]

il do it

[alpine plover]

[alpine plover]

the average utah fan vs the average tenonto enjoyer

[golden coral]

Tenno best critter!

[grave veldt]

ima leave b4 i get a tumor from all the trash convos

cheers

[serene spoke]

[alpine plover]

leave the islecord and you’ll be safe

[brittle bronze]

this, you're best off not listening to the general tripe that gets posted lmao

[serene spoke]

[serene spoke]

so many

[alpine plover]

reply to me again

please

[solid storm]

I'm not saying it isn't i'm saying the network desync with it not being optimized is.

[serene spoke]

🙂

[alpine plover]

please

[grave veldt]

[alpine plover]

thank you

thanos

[grave veldt]

thanos

[alpine plover]

thanks

thanos

[serene spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/jarjar-binks-star-wars-how-wude-rude-gif-10939359

[alpine plover]

it’s not thanos

[grave veldt]

was gonna post a thanos swim suit but

nvm

[alpine plover]

WHAT

[serene spoke]

do it

u wont

[grave veldt]

ur right

[alpine plover]

dm me

[grave veldt]

i wont

[alpine plover]

send it

dm it

[grave veldt]

bet

lemme find it

[serene spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-thanos-dance-party-vibes-gif-14138984

[grave veldt]

its super far back

[alpine plover]

thanus

[serene spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/sheesh-gif-21357175

[alpine plover]

unironic

[serene spoke]

he thicc

[serene spoke]

ur fat

[golden coral]

Maybe enough now? I don't think we're on topic any more.. :p

[alpine plover]

thanks

[serene spoke]

and a pigeon

[alpine plover]

pigeons

[grave veldt]

yeS

found it

ill dm

[serene spoke]

its better were not cause carno main dont like nerf. 😦

[solid storm]

I'm going to laugh when diet paths for carnivores turns out to be other player dinos.

[dawn falcon]

Oh my god why is there more flame baiters

[serene spoke]

[brittle bronze]

@dawn falcon ready to come fight me yet

[dawn falcon]

Asking every 20 minutes won’t help, sorry. Gday once again

[serene spoke]

... providence is typing

[brittle bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/pussy-gif-7571443

[brittle bronze]

😭

[solid storm]

Why make a roadmap activity list yet never update it?

[red forum]

You willing to fight me then?

[dawn falcon]

Oh my god stop tagging me for fights

I’m busy with irl stuff I can’t play

[red forum]

How about later?

[brittle bronze]

don't pick carno he will solo you

[dawn falcon]

Honestly depends if I have any time

Other than that sure

[red forum]

Just let me know if you have time, I’ll be here

[golden coral]

Be that as it may.. no matter what we main, I don't think we want a mod to look in here and go "wtf?!".. :p

[serene spoke]

[solid storm]

Anyways guys im off just stopped into see if anything was updated on evirma, don't stress it too much guys Evirma will die out like it always does untill they release something

[brittle bronze]

that sounds real salty

but have fun man

[solid storm]

Example bro carno release, everyone canniblized till it got boring, then update 3 released, legacy is just more fun and has more of a selection still..

There still alot of issues with Evirma, its talked about throughout the servers and players in legacy

I would love to grow a dino on evirma but starvation, desync and a over growth of dienos wards me off

[hollow canyon]

Nerf Carno? Is that animal even worth growing with how good Deinosuchus is atm?

I can't imagine going Carno for any other reason than to hunt Utahs with how the game is currently.

[serene spoke]

[serene spoke]

u can just go somewhere away from other dienos where fish are. i did it with a couple of friends

[hollow canyon]

I'm not sure what your issue with Carno is atm... is it that you can't hunt it as a Utah?

[serene spoke]

[hollow canyon]

Because yea that's not doable - at all unless the Carno is playing with the screen off

[serene spoke]

and the fact that they always are toxic for no reason like i was 30% utah and a full grown was hunting me for 10mins straight

kinda geay if u ask me

[golden coral]

Everyone is toxic in this game.. :p

[hollow canyon]

That's more of an issue with one player being persistent. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I've been playing with one Carno as an ~85% Utah for 10 minutes straight too trying to drag it away from the smaller Utahs.

[golden coral]

Not sure that's a balance issue though..

[hollow canyon]

It's a match up in which a Utah can survive without much trouble unless it decides to try to solo the Carno. Carno is also killable but you need a rather large pack for it - then again Carno is like the best counter for the Utah atm. It's not like anything else can hunt it.

Both of those animals are pretty bad imo though

not worth growing when you have Deinosuchus available

Pteranodon's better too in a way

[serene spoke]

they all do that

[serene spoke]

like all are being persistent

[hollow canyon]

Might be cause Carno needs a tonne of food and it's regeneration rate is abysmal. There's a high preference for going for prey that doesn't fight back.

[serene spoke]

i was 30% its full grown

[hollow canyon]

When I've played Carno for the last time and actually got into fights I'd be healing until I was starving again.

[fringe musk]

Can someone help me ? When i want to Spawn as a Deino ALL the spawn points are on cooldown but it says 0 and they do not come back to spawn again, now i only have the North Spawn point to spawn for ALL Dinos. The rest is still on Cooldown on 0
Its Evrima btw

[serene spoke]

do the math on how much food it gets

[hollow canyon]

So? It's still free food, you can't hurt it

[serene spoke]

but he wasnt there was a body down the river with 4 other carnos

[hollow canyon]

I wouldn't bother for that long as just about anything unless you really got on my nerves

@fringe muskIt is a bug that sometimes occurs. I haven't had it myself though. I'd suggest relogging.

[fringe musk]

Tried that Multiple Times, even rebooted my PC and checkd via steam for missing or Corrupted files

Nothing helped @hollow canyon

[hollow canyon]

You might want to try in Evrima-troubleshooting.

People there might have an answer for you. I'm not very familiar with this bug so unfortunately I can't really help.

[frosty heron]

I grow and play Carno to "fish" Deino juveniles

Because overpopulation, you know

[hollow canyon]

I suppose that makes sense but wouldn't growing an adult Deino be better at that?

I've just passed like 3 small Deinos(ranging from hatchling to subadult) I've let them live but if I wanted to I could've nommed them all

against Carno they can always get into the water if they see it coming. Against Deino they can only pray.

[frosty heron]

Depends, on most servers there's big groups of adult Deinos which can team on me, and also the grow time being 5 hours, yes it could be fine if you survive but I feel like Carno it's more flexible

And it's fun af Lol

[hollow canyon]

True, cannibalism is I suppose a bit less of an issue as Carno atm.

As Deino so far I've been mainly dying to mixpacks

That's my main issue with Evrima overall atm

[frosty heron]

Also Carno can travel faster between Hotspots and spawns, I always find fun in whatever playable, old or new

[hollow canyon]

Just enormous packs of Raptors, Carnos, Stegos and Deinos all working together

[frosty heron]

Yeah people is playing in sort of nasty ways, saw a Stego mixpacking with a bunch of Deinos, he was spamming 1 calls to attract other players and feed their buddies

[hollow canyon]

I've lost my first Deino after I'd lunged a Carno - its Deino friend attacked me, I beat it up, it started escaping on land when I followed it its Stego friends came over.

There's just... way too much of that

[frosty heron]

That's the game now, maybe when replays and more admin tools are added. Ruled servers can get rid of that

Hopefully

[hollow canyon]

That's not against rules so

They're allowed to do that

[dawn falcon]

I wonder what could be a potential solution to mix packing that’s also beneficial and balanced

[hollow canyon]

It's just that I don't really feel like playing the game in this state

[frosty heron]

Yeah but ruins the inmersion and it's not the way the game should be played

[dawn falcon]

Some people have recommended stress mechanics but idk if that’s balanced per say

[hollow canyon]

It ruins the immersion and makes the game not worth playing. There's just very little that can be done about massive mixpacks.

Strees mechanics won't work

I think legacy-style rules for the official servers are the only sensible way of at least minimising this.

[frosty heron]

Don't think that would work, think BoB has a mechanic like that?

[dawn falcon]

So it’s more or less let the admins deal with the problem

damn

Also BoB does have that mechanic and I’ve heard it’s not really good

[obtuse ocean]

Yea, i hope they dont make it a cuddling up game. Where the only thing matters is how many you are

[alpine plover]

@late kelp

Deinos a apex carnivore, it doesn’t need a large group limit

2 deinos is enough to take on anything

and if you want pack gameplay, play another dinosaur.

[ripe zinc]

group limits are arbitrary and silly, change my mind

[late kelp]

3 isn't large and you're ignoring the point I made about future nesting (i.e. needing space for baby too)

[alpine plover]

and?

babies shouldnt count towards groups

pretty sure punchpacket said dynamic nesting will be a thing

[ripe zinc]

could easily just ignore hatchlings and juvie from the count

[umbral inlet]

@serene spoke I think a LOT of these issues with balance that ppl talk about could in part be remedied if the only way to inflict heart damage was by directly attacking the head or torso, or indirectly through bleed. If tails and limbs could only be broken or get bleeds, it would improve many issue ppl have with things like running at you and spamming left click till you die. It would mean there’s actually strategic value in making those critical area attacks, and zero direct value in doing things like tail riding.

[granite gate]

i think the best way to fix carnos would just be to make em less agile, right now they've got pretty great turn radiuses

realistically speaking, if a carno ran full speed and then pulled a 180 degree turn or even a 90 degree turn, it'd break its legs

not suggesting that since it seems a bit harsh of a punishment, but maybe they could fall over if they turn too quickly at a high speed

[lament turtle]

@thorn viper Dude, if you’re trying to respond or discuss feedback, just use this.

Also, not sure where I mention deino kills a stego in 2 - 3 hits, but, if you need the exact numbers it’s 4 - 5 headshots to kill a stego.

[granite gate]

regardless of the exact amount of hits, the general issue of apexes killing each other quickly due to stuns is still there

[ripe zinc]

if the stego stands around long enough for the deino to kill it it's a deserved loss.

stego can literally just leave and be fine if it's attacked by a deino.

[lament turtle]

Actually, not really.

[rich fractal]

i hope perks or something changes it so people dont view fighting as math calculations

[lament turtle]

If a stego attempts to run after being caught drinking, a deino can just chase it on land and usually kill it. Not because they’re dealing damage to the body, but because deino’s bite box bites through a stego’s thagomizers.

[granite gate]

how is basic counting math 😩

[rich fractal]

ok then i hope perks changes it so fighting isnt based on basic counting

[lament turtle]

Perks will definitely change it up, but, there’s gonna be a lot of stuff kinda thrown into the mix.

[granite gate]

i dont think there's necessarily anything wrong with thinking "oh ive landed x amount of hits, they're most likely low on health" tho

[thorn viper]

i havent gotten to play the isle much but from what my wife has said with her hours int hte game deinos are out of balance atleast with the play style/meta that most stegos do

[granite gate]

probably because stegos cant really escape terrestrial megapacks (i.e, carnos n utahs) atm, a deino could get caught out in a shallow area but for the most part are fairly safe and can always escape to deeper water

[grave veldt]

the main issue with deino still is the lacking map

rivers r skinny as hell

and some r shallow for no reason

they also have 0 vegetation or anything

just ground or mud textures

[granite gate]

tru, but tbf i think that's why they hired that level designer

[grave veldt]

yea with a level designer

now they can get sum cool stuff in

[granite gate]

it'd also be nice if deinos could go out to the sea n swim around

[grave veldt]

ive seen their work its pretty impressive so

[granite gate]

like have coral reefs n mangroves

[grave veldt]

i have high hopes

[granite gate]

and :o got a link to their work?

[grave veldt]

uh

lemme see if i can find it

one sec

@granite gate i just went deep diving lol

i found it tho

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[ripe zinc]

they can. There isn't much going on there though

[granite gate]

yeh i meant it'd be nice there was a reason for it beyond starving / dehydrating lol

also thanks happylion

[grave veldt]

np

[hollow canyon]

Deino vs Stego is atm perhaps slightly too much in Deino's favour. Deino stands a bit too good of a chance in an open fight on land(and again - this is Deino's worst match up so that should say something about how good this animal is in the game atm).

[primal folio]

I've noticed people complaining about the Deino and Stego match-up. Why? It's fine the way it is. I truly hope devs don't cater to people who whine endlessly about 'balance'. Overwatch is simply unplayable now because developers insisted on nerfing/buffing characters into oblivion based on community feedback. Please don't nerf or buff either apex. Things are fine as is, outside of slightly wonky hitboxes that are no doubt being looked at. Deino does not need a nerf, and it's absurd to say otherwise.

[hollow canyon]

@primal folio"Why?"? You have two animals that both take 5 hours to grow. They are both kind of a chore to grow because it takes a lot of time but they are both relatively easy to grow and don't require much active gameplay to get them to full adult. One of them dumpsters the entire roster and has a 50/50 match up against the other one ON LAND. The other one meanwhile has issues in multiple match ups. How is that fine?

[primal folio]

Disagreed. Stego is fine. Croc is fine. Deinos do not dumpster anything on land unless the opponent they're facing has zero idea what they are doing. It's slow and loses stam and can easily be avoided/outrun.

[hollow canyon]

They aren't meant to be played on land though - they are a water ambusher that takes out every animal on the roster aside from a fully grown Deino and a fully grown Stego in a matter of seconds.

Then the only animal that it doesn't take out with its lunge gets dumpstered on in open fight if you ambush it from the water.

Stego has a pretty meh match up against Deino and that's Deino's worst match up in the game.

And to say that Stego is fine is just laughable - goddamn thing can attack 10 times before it runs out of steam and ends up only biting for 110N. Bleed messes it up hard. Meanwhile Deino doesn't care about bleed one bit.

[primal folio]

Crocs go on land. If someone wants to play it on land, so be it. Just avoid fighting the very big, painfully slow croc wandering around on land and you won't die. What you're talking about are all non-issues tbh.
Stego and Deino will be balanced accordingly once more mechanics are implemented and the rest of the roster is released. Neither needs any serious nerfs or buffs right now. Look at what happened to dear ol' Utah thanks to balance attempts. Unplayable now. Now that's a dinosaur that get 'dumpstered' by everything.

[hollow canyon]

Utah does need some help in terms of its dismount being a bit too slow and its punishment for missing the pounce being a bit too long. Nevertheless it's still not as bad as Stego.

And yes Crocs go on land - that doesn't change the fact that they currently dumpster everything that tries to fight them either on land or near water. If there's a body lying around - a Deino is free to usurp it from any other predators just due to how much more powerful it is.

[modest carbon]

Utah needs some help in the dismount process but I think it's missed pounced consequence is pretty good, if it were to be shortened, only a tiny bit,

[hollow canyon]

It's too long for sure - it CCs the Utah for as long as hitting a tree does. These should not be equal.

[dusky surge]

the missed pounce penalty is fair and good game design, but yea, it does take a LONG while, and the fact that you kinda get punished for landing one too is kinda messed up tbh

i really liked an idea i saw where many raptors on a single large creature slowed it down due to the extra weight

[hollow canyon]

It sometimes happens even now. I had my Carno get forced to just walk after being pounced back during update 2 and two days ago. This is likely a bug though.

[dusky surge]

anything that promotes more raptor teamwork is cool in my eyes, since their pack predator mechanics are really nice and encourage players working together over just cannibalising for the hell of it. Found far more friendly players as raptors than deinos

[hollow canyon]

Raptors more so need to have their pounce touched upon slightly. Not even the slow that they would inflict upon the encumbered animal but more so to make them capable of dismounting safely.

[dusky surge]

yea

[hollow canyon]

I mainly want the CC for missing the pounce to be shorter because it's just stupid that a player should be punished for it as much as for hitting a tree with it or for running out of stamina while pouncing - the punishment should be proportional to how grave of a mistake has been made and missing the pounce shouldn't be treated as badly as the other two.

[dusky surge]

it really does feel that by engaging an enemy even slightly larger than you as raptor, you're rolling a dice on whether or not you will die instantly

[hollow canyon]

It relies mainly on the connection of the person you're up against I think. If they lag at all you can do it safely but if they are on point they will take you out most likely.

This was really always an issue but it has been noticed lately due to the change of hitboxes. Before Utah would just get hit on its tail which would do little to no damage to it but now it can lose a third of its health or just die on the spot upon disengaging which is rather stupid.

[dusky surge]

i like their design of highly mobile bleeders, but when their moveset often leaves them standing in one place (both claw and pounce can just absolutely kill your momentum), it really doesn't feel like they properly fill that role. I'd be happy with a raptor HP nerf if they simply allowed him to move more, because this is honestly my biggest issue with him.

[hollow canyon]

It's just generally a difficult animal to balance out. It goes from a single Utah soloing 5h animal like Stego without putting all that much effort into it to being incapable of hunting altogether. We need some middleground.

[dusky surge]

yea they need to drill down on pack mechanics and mobility

imo

[silent harness]

i think stego is fine just lower thee growth time please 3h maybe?

[thin herald]

Utah does need some changes but it isnt meant to solo every playable bigger than it. It is playable. I’ve been in a pack of 5 and we murdered a full grown and a sub stego.

[hollow canyon]

I've also found Utah to be playable. It has some issues and it might just die during the dismount(which shouldn't really be a certain death) but it's still playable. I think it's in a better state than Stego.

[sinful cove]

if you're in a pack you're still very viable, it is easy to regrow in a pack after dying, and anything that can merk you after you dismount is something you shouldn't be hunting alone anyway

it is in a way better spot than stego definitely

growing a utah is easy and fast when you have a pack which you probably do if you got yourself killed fighting a steg or carno anyway

[hallow spire]

Nah it’s already basically a apex herbivore and should take a long time to grow something that deals that much damage

[granite gate]

if we're going by relativity, in a way, yeah, stego might benefit from being 4h instead of 5. thanks to the stuns, and stego's lack of ability to attack after 10 tail swings (which sounds like a lot but... against a team of 8 utahs or what, 6 carnos? that gives the stego an incredibly low margin of error). it should always take more skill to attack than to defend. otherwise there's no point in playing herbis

keep in mind many herbivores IRL tend to grow faster and be more plentiful

[silent harness]

It deals a lot of damage when it’s grown yes but that’s because it can’t escape from anything, it practically has no choice but to fight and even fully grown at 5 hours some 4 adult Utah’s or 2 carnos can overwhelm you easily and put less time in for the result. God forbid anything so much as spots you before adult you basically just have to accept death

[granite gate]

not saying stegos should be able to go back to standing at the waters edge wackin the shit out of deinos like there's no tomorrow, but they shouldnt fear getting a drink like the *ENTIRE rest of the roster does

plus it's far harder to survive as a stego than as a deino imo. as a deino, literally your only threat is other deinos, or if you're dumb enough to venture onto land in the open as a baby, the occasional utah

stegos cant escape megapacks, deinos can -- at least in my experience

[silent harness]

Doesn’t feel great to spot a deino in the water run away before he’s even close and he still catches up to you on land in like 15 steps

[granite gate]

yeah i think people dont realize just how slow stegos are

[hollow canyon]

It's definitely easier to survive as a Deino. I also disagree with the point about Utah being fine because it's in packs - it's the same awful argument as some people make that "Stego should be in herds anyways". It works both ways. Utah might be better than Stego but the fact that it gets punished for hitting the pounce and for missing it isn't very fair. It's not unplayable but it is underwhelming as the game is.

[hallow spire]

I’m fine with there being a missed pounce stun, just seems like it takes too long and doesn’t seem like a Utah would take it’s sweet time getting up from something that didn’t even hurt it in any way if it were a teno tail or carnos charge it got hit with then yes but a missed pounce nah

[granite gate]

i dont think anyone would say that utah needs to be nerfed health-wise; it should be fragile and that's okay. i think most people can agree utahs should be able to avoid damage, though, through skill and not just... a shitty game mechanic that punishes you no matter what lol

[slim dragon]

I don't know about Uth balance, but isn't Stego planned to get more health in the future ? For when apexes come ?

[wraith spindle]

Honeslty just fuck Cannibal Deinos
literally nothing you can do about it
if an adult decides they wanna kill you for fun, you're just dead. Its incredibly unfair and a cheap way to die

[mellow zenith]

I don't think nerfing utah hp is a good idea. I see this suggestion a lot but with the new locational damage, i find it fine. You need to understand that dealing enough damage can be a victory as much as killing.

[slim dragon]

Hey have you tried playing something else than the gator that makes up 50% of the population of the servers ?

[gaunt jackal]

@wraith spindle thats because they are adults and should be stronger but when the water foliage comes youll have a much easier time hiding in that just like carnos and utahs can hide in the bushes on land

baby utahs and carnos*

[hallow spire]

Or maybe they were hungry

[zenith vessel]

[dim crown]

@inland lagoon You on croc? Or on crack?

[inland lagoon]

Currently 50 percent of servers are deinos. If smaller would be easily allowed to run away from adults, then adults wkuld have nothing to eat.

[silent comet]

theres more carno players than deinos from what ive seen

[stray heart]

@silent comet can't see underwater

[inland lagoon]

Depends on whom are you playing))

But anyway there is no problem to survive as any dino on current map and current meta. Deinos are most limited in travelling, thats true, but crocs are not nomads.

Maybe the most complicated to survive as juv utah when you are alone.

[modest carbon]

Not really, juvi utahs can hide ridiculously easy

[hallow spire]

Yep just grab a meat chunk, run into bush,eventually find a pack and you’ll be fine lol

[modest carbon]

I'd say the most tedious at the moment is carno, especially in that sub ish stage. Since you can get run down by utahs and its harder to hide, and considering you swim extremely slow you can't jump cross rivers like Utah its a tad more difficult to get food unless you are finding juvis to delete

[alpine plover]

@stray heart

how are you dying as a juvie carno?

just run

[dim crown]

Some like to go behind the bushes and do it dirty

[stray heart]

@alpine plover bigger carnos?????

utahs???????

[alpine plover]

just juke

in forest

[stray heart]

they are faster?

[alpine plover]

juke thm

*them

IN FOREST

[stray heart]

yeah, utahs aren't huge bud. they catch up

more agile than carnos

[alpine plover]

stay in forest until you get big enough to outsqeed them

[stray heart]

and i don't only mean that for juv carnos. i mean it for more than carnos.

need food.

[alpine plover]

what

[stray heart]

i need food to survive

[alpine plover]

Ive been surviving fine as a juvie carno

must be a you issue

[stray heart]

i can;t just stay at one spot

[alpine plover]

then look for food

safely

[stray heart]

and then it goes back to getting hunted

[alpine plover]

dont get sqotted i you dont want to get hunted

[stray heart]

not evryone has the same expieriences

then how am i supposed to get food

lol

[alpine plover]

Look for food

Why are you comqlaining

[stray heart]

how long have you been playing evrima?

[alpine plover]

Since uqdate 2

its easy

[stray heart]

oh.

yeah i have like 400 hours its not that easy

depends on the server too

i am just trying to give a solution on how juvis can escape from bigger faster dinos

[alpine plover]

if you're getting caught as a juvie carno you arent using your sqeed and mobility

its 40 kmh and is suqer mobile

[stray heart]

I can't use it against a full grown utah

[alpine plover]

you can

go in dense forest

[stray heart]

but the utah can catch up even if i do that

its faster

[alpine plover]

Juke it

[stray heart]

has better jukes than me

[ripe zinc]

play herbi, free food everywhere

[alpine plover]

then you arent juking good enough

[stray heart]

or the utah is a good player.

its a problem to survive as a juv carni in general/ especially now. ptera is easiest by far

[alpine plover]

well a good qlayer caught you, whats the issue

[stray heart]

Its an issue when it comes to cannibalism now. You can't outrun most things as a juv.

[ripe zinc]

you're not supposed to. you are small, hide

[alpine plover]

and

juke and hide

you're a baby

of course you arent faster

[stray heart]

@ripe zinc I was suggesting in ballance feedback about a way to be able to outrun or use some sort of ability to help you grow as a juv.

[alpine plover]

that doesnt take skill

it would make carnis too easy too grow

[stray heart]

@alpine plover you know theres more dinos that just carno rigt

[ripe zinc]

Not needed, it's fine as it is

[alpine plover]

agreed

[alpine plover]

yae

[stray heart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W42dog8oF4M&t=311s this video expains it well

[alpine plover]

LOL

[stray heart]

i think growth/juv life needs to be looked into

[alpine plover]

Thats for LEGACY my dude

This is EVRIMA

[ripe zinc]

There are free grow servers

[stray heart]

@ripe zinc whats the fun in that

[ripe zinc]

don't ruin it for the rest of us

[alpine plover]

That video isnt relevant for the current discussion

[stray heart]

@alpine plover some points still apply for evrima

[alpine plover]

they dont

[stray heart]

I'm not ruinning it what

they do

[alpine plover]

juvies are fast enough to get away

[stray heart]

juv stego?

[alpine plover]

and theres qlenty of qlaces to hide and juke

[stray heart]

juv utah?

[ripe zinc]

what's the fun in making it too easy?

[alpine plover]

juvie stego is a beast

[stray heart]

@ripe zinc *easier

for new players

lol no

[alpine plover]

hah

dont balance around bad qlayers

balance around decent qlayers

[stray heart]

@alpine plover new players are the future lol

[alpine plover]

suqer small, can hide in grass

[ripe zinc]

new players just need to git gud, no need to make the game easy for them.

[alpine plover]

you're suqqoused to get good at games

not just auto win the moment you start

[sleek iron]

free gowth servers dont add experience when you start to grow in another server as a new player
Like, at all

[stray heart]

^

[alpine plover]

well at this game youre suqqosed to get good

Why are we talking about free growth servers?

[stray heart]

i was literally just saying why i think juv lifes need to be imrpoved

juv deino for example

it should be faster than big deinos

[alpine plover]

and i'm saying for most dinos it doesnt

[stray heart]

to escape

[alpine plover]

it is

[stray heart]

from cannibals

[frosty heron]

Survival Game

[stray heart]

not the small one bruh

[ripe zinc]

Because apparently growing sucks, so I suggested he doesn't deal with it

[stray heart]

@ripe zinc never said that

[alpine plover]

go in swamq

swamq is MEANT for juvie deinos to grow

like legit I just grew one

[stray heart]

thats where adults ware lol

yeah me 2

[alpine plover]

go to the east swamq

[stray heart]

i have gone there

[ripe zinc]

you literally posted a video titled "why growth sucks", lol

[stray heart]

ive grown there

@ripe zinc didn't watch it

[alpine plover]

so whats the issue

[stray heart]

I don't have an issue

[ripe zinc]

of course not

[stray heart]

i'm proposing an opinion

[alpine plover]

I've watched the video before, it has nothing to do with current evrima

its based on legacy

[stray heart]

@ripe zinc Thats the problem

[alpine plover]

so theres no reason to qost it

[ripe zinc]

why would I watch a video on why growth sucks when it doesn't though. Life is short

[stray heart]

theres still some points that might stand with the current growth of evrima, as a juv. hopefully they will fix the hatchling or make it better.

[alpine plover]

juvies are fine

[vagrant mural]

Instead of bullshit just give juvies extra tools, juvi utahs can climb better, juvi carno has better turning, juvi Ptera flies better in forests, etc

[stray heart]

@vagrant mural εχαψτλυ

oops

exactly

[alpine plover]

this is already the case

minus juvie utah

[vagrant mural]

Exactly

[stray heart]

@alpine plover maybe juv utah can dig itself a burrow or climb a tree to avoid its killer

[alpine plover]

fuck no

[crystal wharf]

juvies being so fucking small and quiet is already good enough, just, give juvie deino better stamina, and juvie utah better climbing

[stray heart]

@alpine plover why not

[vagrant mural]

Yes

[alpine plover]

Now utah is too easy to grow

[vagrant mural]

That’s all that’s really needed

[alpine plover]

if it can burrow now you dont even have to TRY to grow utah

just burrow and AFK

[crystal wharf]

yeah, burrowing utah is stupid as hell

[alpine plover]

climbing is better

[stray heart]

@alpine plover not like a burrow, maybe it could hide under a small pile of dirt

[crystal wharf]

its already gonna scale trees

[alpine plover]

its still silly

[stray heart]

still an idea

[crystal wharf]

it will already climb trees

[alpine plover]

climbing is more fair

[vagrant mural]

Maybe make juvi hypsi spit more potent but takes more hunger as it doesn’t control it as well as adults

[crystal wharf]

because at least when you climb, herreras and pteras can still snipe you out of the tree

[stray heart]

@crystal wharf hopefully not just the adult 1

[alpine plover]

why???

[vagrant mural]

Because why not lmao

[crystal wharf]

@stray heart why the squint? do you want a free utah grow every time?

[alpine plover]

Basically

[stray heart]

@crystal wharf what? I'm suggesting it would be a nice ability it could have as a juv, how is that a utah grow?

[sleek iron]

Fast
"Small"
Agile
scale trees
pounce
(and probably, not saying Im suggesting) juvies invading burrows

its already good to grow and play, leave utah like this and fix its bugs

[crystal wharf]

why the fuck should it go into a burrow where its just unkillable?

[stray heart]

i said it could cover itself with dirt

not a burrow

[crystal wharf]

why?

why should it

[stray heart]

why not?

[crystal wharf]

just wallow

and run the fuck away

or climb a tree

or hide in a bush

if there is any juvie that needs to be redone, its tenonto

[stray heart]

its the same thing, to hide in a bush or to hide under dirt lol, it could maybe have the same animation when it sleeps, and it would cover itself with dirt and hide there. It could also safelog like that

[dusky surge]

teno is the best made herbi of them all. I really think they need to look at the other three before it

[vagrant mural]

Dryo is fine in it’s current spot

[stray heart]

can dryo even burrow now?

[alpine plover]

we're telling you how to not die as a juvie

just get good

[crystal wharf]

no, and it shouldnt

[vagrant mural]

Dryo can’t burrow

It should steal burrows as an option

[stray heart]

@crystal wharf why not?

[crystal wharf]

burrowing dryo is ass

why would you lock an extremely fast and agile creature in tight tunnels as an escape?

[dusky surge]

Dryo is fine balance-wise, but he really isn't that great in terms of gameplay and replayability

[vagrant mural]

You have this insanely fast growing small tier that can outrun a shit load of stuff, and you give it a safety zone

[stray heart]

@crystal wharf because its a dryo? what else will it do?

[alpine plover]

run?

[vagrant mural]

Dryo death squad is unironically one of the most fun things to do

[lament cloak]

run away fast, and if your too slow juke the shit out of things

[stray heart]

and burrow, it can't fight a lot

[alpine plover]

what?

Just qlay qroto

[crystal wharf]

run away, dodge, have good nightvision, give it some amazing scent abilities, allow it to take burrows but never make them

[alpine plover]

nearly every small tier herbie has burrows

[vagrant mural]

Hunt juvis

[stray heart]

@alpine plover just play what

[alpine plover]

qroto

[stray heart]

what is that?

[dusky surge]

taking burrows sounds funny as hell

[crystal wharf]

proto you idiot

[dusky surge]

i like that

[stray heart]

oh lol

[crystal wharf]

@alpine plover tf is a qroto

[alpine plover]

qroto?

[ripe zinc]

dryo is great

[stray heart]

what if i wanna play dryo tho? i think it was unique when it was burrowing, it was cool

[vagrant mural]

Dryo is still cool tho

And is basically immortal

[alpine plover]

my P key is fucked up and I need to mash it hard for it to work, so I just use q instead

[stray heart]

yeah, i want burrow bacc tho

[crystal wharf]

we have 4 other confirmed burrowers

[lament cloak]

4? i thought we had more

[dusky surge]

you could have burrows spawn around the map honestly and let smaller creatures move in there, rather than having them be made by dryo. Fight for the right to have a little house area lmao

[crystal wharf]

oh, you pulled a kanga did you

[vagrant mural]

Dryo is arguably more unique as something that steals burrows

[stray heart]

@crystal wharf i know, but they won't come for probably 2 years or maybe less

[grave veldt]

whos supposedly going to be burrowing?

[crystal wharf]

oh ye of little faith

[alpine plover]

and

[dusky surge]

i want my Isle Housing Crisis

[crystal wharf]

proto, taco, minmi, gnomalo

[grave veldt]

gnome

[stray heart]

@alpine plover dryo is done already, so it would be nice to have at least 1 burrower now.

[vagrant mural]

Homalo as well

[grave veldt]

oh proto is gonna burrow?

[dusky surge]

gnomes make burrows

[stray heart]

so dryo can nest in burrows

[grave veldt]

thats kinda cool

[vagrant mural]

Proto should burrow

[lament cloak]

proto, taco, minmi, homa, and maybe velo
wrong reply

[vagrant mural]

Epic wombat niche

[crystal wharf]

why should we give it temp burrowing again, just to rip it away... again

[vagrant mural]

Velo should also be an invader

[grave veldt]

velo should be a great burrow invader

[stray heart]

@crystal wharf why would we rip it away?

[crystal wharf]

velo should be the only carnivore able to maintain burrows that its stolen

[crystal wharf]

because dryo was never meant to burrow

[vagrant mural]

Kill things inside, stay there

[crystal wharf]

ever

[dusky surge]

ADD THE COMSO OH MY GOD TINY BASTARD

[vagrant mural]

Cosmo

[dusky surge]

look at him

[slim dragon]

You're all forgetting Ava will burrow

[crystal wharf]

all those animals are confirmed wavepoole

[crystal wharf]

it wont

[grave veldt]

also is homalo gonna get a size increase or is it gonna remain tiny as hell

[dusky surge]

is cosmo carnivore

[crystal wharf]

just take them like dryo

[dusky surge]

or herbi

[crystal wharf]

yes

[slim dragon]

That's not what I was told

[dusky surge]

IT'S CARNIVORE

[vagrant mural]

You mean compy

[crystal wharf]

its the compy from jurassic park

[stray heart]

@crystal wharf it was cool as shit in legacy tho, and with the other burrowers not coming for a long time, i think it would be nice. burrow was like part of his personallity

[dusky surge]

GOBLIN CHARACTER

[crystal wharf]

then you were told wrong

[crystal wharf]

oh ye of little faith

[stray heart]

why would ava burrow lol

[alpine plover]

cause it needs to

[crystal wharf]

no

[stray heart]

@alpine plover why?

[crystal wharf]

it doesnt

it really doesnt

[stray heart]

^

[alpine plover]

how the fuck is ava gonna out run carno

or cerato

[crystal wharf]

jungle

[stray heart]

@alpine plover get good

[crystal wharf]

wallow

jungle

hide

[vagrant mural]

You do realize that burrowing wouldn’t come until other burrowers get added, and at that point just making it a burrow invader makes more sense

[alpine plover]

cerato

[vagrant mural]

Boar ava

[stray heart]

yeah man same advice you gave me

[vagrant mural]

Boar Ava

[crystal wharf]

wallow, jungle, hide

[alpine plover]

my advice was useful though

[stray heart]

@vagrant mural i guess

[slim dragon]

That's not really reliable

[grave veldt]

im up for ava digging

[dusky surge]

I really like the idea of burrows, and even on the trello dryo is referenced as a burrow-dweller, so I'm interested to see how it turns oout

[stray heart]

i guess not enough for ava

[alpine plover]

cerato can go into jungles

[crystal wharf]

no

[grave veldt]

yes

digging for things would be nice

boar niche almost

[crystal wharf]

so can carno, doesnt mean it can find a primarily green dinosaur that isnt leaving any tracks

[vagrant mural]

Too many things dig already

[alpine plover]

green?

source

[crystal wharf]

me

[vagrant mural]

Just give Ava boar niche without digging

[slim dragon]

You're not green if you wallowed

[alpine plover]

what if ava is bright red

[vagrant mural]

Bob

[slim dragon]

And if you're green then you leave tracks

[crystal wharf]

then good on them for being a dumbass

[stray heart]

we need big ass tall rocks in the middle of the ocean where pteras could grow and shit. with caves. that would be slick

[alpine plover]

Beasts of

Why should a dino rely on camo skins to be viable

thats stuidq

[crystal wharf]

ptera is already a free grow, why do they need it any easier?

[crystal wharf]

never said it should

[vagrant mural]

There’s tall rocks on the shore

[grave veldt]

idk ava might get killed by cera a lot if it doesnt have something to hide from it

[alpine plover]

you imqlied it

[crystal wharf]

it hides from things larger than it in the jungle

[vagrant mural]

It could just outrun Cera or hide

[crystal wharf]

not really

[alpine plover]

what if they go in the jungle

[grave veldt]

if it outruns cera then yea problem fixed

[crystal wharf]

then you hide/outrun it

[ripe zinc]

there's tall rocks only ptera can get onto all over

[alpine plover]

outrun? the fuck

[stray heart]

@crystal wharf make the ocean intresting aswell, it would make the map look a lot more ''prehistoric'' unlike now. Its not to make it easier, just to add cool places to go to as a ptera

[alpine plover]

Ava outrunning cerato? Fucking how

[crystal wharf]

it can easily see ava moving at the same speed as cerato

[stray heart]

@alpine plover juke

[grave veldt]

i doubt ava will outrun it tbh

[alpine plover]

[vagrant mural]

The isle takes place in like the 70’s or 80’s

[crystal wharf]

it isnt prehistoric

[crystal wharf]

its modern

[vagrant mural]

Or modern or whatever

[stray heart]

@crystal wharf i know, but it could be like isleV3. way better map than this 1

[crystal wharf]

fuck no

v3 was ass

[vagrant mural]

Region 2

[grave veldt]

yo guys ava vs dilo hows it gonna work

[vagrant mural]

Snap dilo arm, run in jungle

[alpine plover]

dilo favored but ava has a chance

[ripe zinc]

free meal prob

[crystal wharf]

ava blocks and parries the dilo into getting some hits, hopefully managing to kill the dilo or wound it enough so it backs off

[crystal wharf]

fuck no

[alpine plover]

but according to bork ava will be carno sqeed

[lament cloak]

definitly not

[grave veldt]

yea this makes sense

[crystal wharf]

never said it should be carno speed?

[stray heart]

why tho? the map is boring as shit right now. we just need better areas to go to as each dino, and i think big ass rocks would be fucking cool in the ocean, where pteras could nest and grow

[grave veldt]

ava is almost the same weight as dilo lol

[vagrant mural]

How does faster than Cera= carno speed

[grave veldt]

its anything but a free meal

[alpine plover]

It was a metaqhor

[lament cloak]

hyperbole*

[alpine plover]

since ava being faster then cerato is qretty much like asking for a utah sqeed ava

[crystal wharf]

why does ptera need anymore of a free growth?

[vagrant mural]

I mean ocean feeding should be a risk for pteras

[grave veldt]

bro i legit learned how to land in tree reliably

[solid storm]

How do we balance adoption?

[crystal wharf]

moving at 46 kph for ava isnt impossible, their gonna make magy outrun fucking allo

[lament cloak]

i wouldn't be surprised if ava is bigger than in this picture and dilo is smaller

[stray heart]

@crystal wharf who gives a shit? its literally a ptera, you can only kill juvs with it. its more about exploration and the map looking nice.

[crystal wharf]

giant dick rocks in the ocean dont make it look nice

[stray heart]

not dick rocks bruhj

[ripe zinc]

stego weighs 12 times utah weight and it's practically free if the utah is good, what's size got to do with it?

[stray heart]

tall steep islands

[crystal wharf]

v3 is a prime example of it looking like shit

[alpine plover]

It looks stuqid

46 kmh ava? More like 38 kmh at best

[stray heart]

@crystal wharf v3 was shit, but it can work. the rock thing

[crystal wharf]

thats dumb

[lament cloak]

i can see ava running that fast, 4 legs does you wonders

[grave veldt]

i mean if they make magy run on its hind legs

[vagrant mural]

Ptera can kill anything, and only takes an hour to grow, on top of being able to fly, giving it giant dick rocks would look cool, but you could just use cliffs or the rocks on the coast for the same effect

[grave veldt]

it has the possibility of out running allo

[crystal wharf]

no, it cant, it would look like shit, function like shit, and be shit

[vagrant mural]

LAMOY

[stray heart]

@crystal wharf looks good in BOB bruh

[vagrant mural]

Implying anything looks good in bob

[crystal wharf]

bob and looking good never go together

[grave veldt]

^

[crystal wharf]

ever

[stray heart]

the map looks way better than spiro lol

[grave veldt]

graphics are not bob's thing rn

[crystal wharf]

and the fucking towers in bob are the worst fucking thing ever

literally the worst

[grave veldt]

it rly doesnt

[crystal wharf]

giant tower of fuck you to any land animal

[grave veldt]

it just has biome variation

thats it

[vagrant mural]

The giant tower shit literally gives Pteras and tropes invulnerability

[crystal wharf]

giant fuck you towers have no place in the isle

[vagrant mural]

They can just scavenge forever with no reprucussions because nothing can teach them

[stray heart]

i think that would look good

[crystal wharf]

im not clicking that

[alpine plover]

might be a virus

[stray heart]

oops it didn't send it as an image wth

[grave veldt]

not gonna click that might get 67 viruses

[vagrant mural]

The mountains and cliffs and various other rock formations are enough

[stray heart]

lol

[grave veldt]

ive already trashed my old pc with viruses

[crystal wharf]

ptera has tons of safe spaces currently, too many, giving it giant fuck you towers in the middle of the ocean only makes it so much worse

[stray heart]

its not a virus, its a google image of a steep island, i'm trying to show what i mean

[alpine plover]

.............. yeah sure

[grave veldt]

just copy n paste image

[stray heart]

yeah i drag clicked it and that showed up

[crystal wharf]

then just copy paste it

[vagrant mural]

Epic image fail

[stray heart]

that

[alpine plover]

no

[stray heart]

i think that would be cool

or the ones in the middle of the map could be reworked

as not to have so many fucking bushes on them

[crystal wharf]

fuck no

[grave veldt]

nah

[crystal wharf]

no

just no

[alpine plover]

wasnt this about juvie balance

[grave veldt]

was it?

idk i joined in late

[alpine plover]

it was