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grave veldt May 4, 2021, 3:04 AM

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u might've been expecting more then what we got is prolly what happened

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if they give deino high bite force then it just becomes water rex

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which is just boring and op not mention not what was intended

rich fractal May 4, 2021, 3:05 AM

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dont have to be doubled in bite force but even then id rather it be water rex than stegos

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 3:06 AM

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i mean u can 4 shot a stego if u play it right

sinful cove May 4, 2021, 3:08 AM

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Croc can beat stego if it doesnt try to facetank thagomizers like a dummy

rich fractal May 4, 2021, 3:08 AM

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oh well git gud or run i guess

sinful cove May 4, 2021, 3:09 AM

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Thats how it's supposed to work yes

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 3:14 AM

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in simple terms

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yes thats how it works

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the deino is the one who engages the stego anyways

rich fractal May 4, 2021, 3:17 AM

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still dont see why stego being a little more scared equals OP water rex but it seems nobody can budge even inn civil conversations

hollow canyon May 4, 2021, 3:20 AM

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Just something that's been posted in Isle discussion:

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https://www.twitch.tv/scopeog/clip/SincereSteamyDaikonDogFace-jgWEF7THO0YCqFKu

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ScopeOG - Evrima LIVE Branch -- Dino Science! | !discord | !socials...

Watch ScopeOG's clip titled "Evrima LIVE Branch -- Dino Science! | !discord | !socials | !subgoal"

▶ Play video

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Deino solos a Stego here by using the alt-bite properly. Do note - it would've died if Stego landed all of the hits on the body of the croc but as it was it landed one on the tail.

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Deino lands 7 bites, Stego lands 5 jabs

rich fractal May 4, 2021, 3:23 AM

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hopefully enough stegos learn that can happen and stop standing in the river then lol

hollow canyon May 4, 2021, 3:23 AM

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Unlikely as the Deinos would need to learn to be actually capable of pulling that off and have the guts to actually do that

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I personally probably wouldn't want to risk my deino trying that

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Despite the fact that I think Deino's rather easy to grow for its level of power I still think Stego's easier to grow therefore it wouldn't be worth the risk imo

rich fractal May 4, 2021, 3:29 AM

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ill just wait and try again next update when hopefully the rivers arent so packed and fractures will probably send the balance of everything into something different

hollow canyon May 4, 2021, 3:35 AM

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Do note, I'm watching a larger part of that stream and it seems that Scope fails to kill the Stego more than he succeeds. I'm not sure if this is at all a reliable method of killing them.

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Seems like the best approach if you want to try but I wouldn't really want to risk it in actual survival environment unless I was bored and wanted to play something else than Deino.

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I'd say that he succeeds when he manages to stay more so on the head of the Stego however if he ends up overshooting and biting the tail(which is very easy to do) he goes down.

rich fractal May 4, 2021, 3:39 AM

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i dont really want to eat them i just dont want them to feel so confident that they act cocky like deino is a joke which is most of what i see stegos doing just standing in the river roleplaying a river rex

hollow canyon May 4, 2021, 3:40 AM

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I mean... while this is definitely a fight in favour of the Stego it's not like it dumpsters Deino that badly, from those tests it's pretty clear that Stego's barely making it while they go at it.

rich fractal May 4, 2021, 3:41 AM

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hopefully its just were acting like that cause testing new things out messing around and the crocs are new at fighting with it

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TI_Succ i can almost type properly

sullen dock May 4, 2021, 7:17 AM

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I imagine you should be able to drag a creature smaller than you

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deino should have a "bite and hold" mechanic, imo

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isnt it planned to be able to ram creatures in the future?

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or can we do that now

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I imagine a deino could haul itself on shore really fast and knock over something

slim dragon May 4, 2021, 7:22 AM

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Of course it has a bite and hold mechanic
It's called lunge

sullen dock May 4, 2021, 7:22 AM

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I guess I never saw it in action, ive only really see deinos eat things much smaller than themselves

slim dragon May 4, 2021, 7:23 AM

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That's because they can't grab anything more than half their weight

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But they'll be able to if we get a tug-of-war mechanic

sullen dock May 4, 2021, 7:24 AM

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that would be nice, honestly you should be able to grab things bigger than yourself too, but it could drag you around

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but if you have a predator latched on to you, struggling might actually hurt you more

slim dragon May 4, 2021, 7:25 AM

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I guess you will be able to with the tug of war

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But if something drags you out of the water it's pretty much a death sentence, so it's not really a good idea to do it

brave grove May 4, 2021, 7:27 AM

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as a croc attack survivor i can say that i have been grabbed and dragged into river and miraculously made it out

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as a 85%ish carno

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but other carnos attacked the croc which might of made him release me?

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idk

slim dragon May 4, 2021, 7:28 AM

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No, attacks don't make deino release its prey

brave grove May 4, 2021, 7:28 AM

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maybe player just panicked LOL

slim dragon May 4, 2021, 7:28 AM

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Either it ran out of stamina, either it released the grab to get away faster

ripe zinc May 4, 2021, 9:38 AM

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slim dragon Either it ran out of stamina, either it released the grab to get away faster

I'm sure a deino sprinted with me in it's mouth, so I don't think that would make him get away faster. could be he was trying to fight back though or hoped they would focus on the carno.

hollow canyon May 4, 2021, 1:16 PM

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@timber flame I agree that this is unrealistic. Deinosuchus simply shouldn't have gotten its upsize. It should've been left at its old size.

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Also - Stego hasn't missed a single hit there. It hit Deino 5 times but at least one of them landed on Deino's tail which saved the Deino.

lament cloak May 4, 2021, 1:44 PM

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TI_Shut just TI_Shut . irl crocs bite cubs of things like lions and cheetahs HEADS and they don't just flop over instantly, a croc bite doesn'tdo as much damage as you think it does, your jaws are meant for gripping not terrible wounds or anything like that. so TI_Shut

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 1:47 PM

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first i have several issues

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balance always takes forth above anything else

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no matter how unrealistic it is, if it isn't balanced then no one will play it

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so sure it would be unrealistic but no one wants the same growth tier dinos one shotting each other

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thats not fun

hollow canyon May 4, 2021, 1:52 PM

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...or you know just - don't upsize Deinosuchus to the size where it becomes a problem for the roster? Then again I don't blame the devs for it with the community constantly screeching about how they want the croc to be as big as possible.

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 1:52 PM

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same thing happened with stego too

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they were going for the smaller sophie stego

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so these creatures were probably being balanced around the previous sizes they had before

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 4:01 PM

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deino seems to be highly controversial

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in my head, i don't think its bite force needs a buff at all. its an ambush predator, so i think the focus should be on lunge really.

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left click, if anything, should be a means to an end for the deino. its a quick bite for fish and smaller animals.

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lunge is the main tactic, the main thing you use and work or plan around for killing bigger things

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so i wouldnt say bite force and damage needs a buff, if anything its just lunge that needs a hitbox fix and, maybe, a buff. stegos hit like trucks for a 5 hour grow so lunge can at least be buffed for its niche but powerful use as an ambush and a timed attack

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maybe up the required weight from 50% or less to maybe 60% or less

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how does that sound?

alpine plover May 4, 2021, 4:16 PM

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People wanting to use carno alt bite cause the animation cool as shit but the execution speed is aweful lol

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Also deino lunge is still buggy

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 4:27 PM

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even if its 60% stegos will still yeet on it

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 4:32 PM

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What if deinos lunge could hold stegos in place

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Like deino tugs the head or chest

alpine plover May 4, 2021, 4:32 PM

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Deino lunge should pick up creatures upto 75% it’s weight

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Or atleast later on it should

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That or get a weight buff closer to its irl size

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 4:33 PM

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Modern day crocs can fight things way bigger soo

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Deino size buff might make ppl avoid it in pvp

alpine plover May 4, 2021, 4:33 PM

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In the water a 500 pound croc can drown a 600 pound zebra or wildabeast with ease

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 4:34 PM

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Yup

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What if deino can lunge stegos when stegos are swimming

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Since things feel light in water

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 4:38 PM

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no no no

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lol

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75% is absolutley insane

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u want it to grab a 6 ton stego like its a piece of paper and put it in water?

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 4:38 PM

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alpine plover Deino lunge should pick up creatures upto 75% it’s weight

i think thats too much

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 4:38 PM

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bruh

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 4:38 PM

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when it comes to balancing a chisel should be used, not a hammer

alpine plover May 4, 2021, 4:38 PM

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How bout this. Take animals down that are upto it’s own weight while they are swimming

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 4:39 PM

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or or or

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just introduce a tug of war mechanic

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or just swim away?

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 4:39 PM

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no i like the tug of war

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so heres my idea

alpine plover May 4, 2021, 4:39 PM

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Tug of war mechanic leads to deino being killed cause stego buddies kill deino while tugging and other deinos can’t stop it

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 4:39 PM

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devs already said their "exploring" it so

alpine plover May 4, 2021, 4:40 PM

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I say make it so that deinos can drag dumb things that swim out into the water to their death aslong as they are lighter than it. Even 7.9 ton animals

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 4:40 PM

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the mechanic is the same, drag things 50% or less. but if a dinosaur is 75% or less than your weight, you cant drag it but you could pin it down and use more stamina to thrash it for damage

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along with a fixed hit box of course

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 4:41 PM

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deinos can literally swim away from stego so dont forget that

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what they rly need to do is make rivers wider and deeper

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 4:42 PM

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bigger animals would still get away but the thrashing would do enough damage to ward them off from camping

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 4:42 PM

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pinning it down and thrashing it doesnt seems unbalanced

alpine plover May 4, 2021, 4:42 PM

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I still say toss in the ability for upto 100% of deinos weight for things in water

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 4:42 PM

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tug of war still sounds better'

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honestly things that swim getting their weight lowered by half

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seems ok

alpine plover May 4, 2021, 4:43 PM

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Crocodiles kill things larger than themselfs in water- by doing what in game deino does-

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 4:44 PM

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or again

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u could just make rivers better

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fixes all these issues

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 4:44 PM

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i think draggin it easily at any higher than 50% would be unbalanced in a game sense

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 4:45 PM

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if u make rivers wider and deeper then deinos can just swim away

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deino is already the one who starts the fights with stego

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 4:45 PM

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the river being wider and deeper wouldnt really fix the issue that lunge is still somewhat underwhelming as a powerful ambush niche

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 4:45 PM

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how?

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u can literally lunge and drown the entire roster rn

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except stego

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and its "underhwelming"

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and they recently just made it better

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by allowing u to lunge while swimming

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 4:46 PM

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well the hitboxes are getting fixed yeah? nvm then

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 4:46 PM

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ye hitboxes r getting fixed

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talked with a QA member so they know a few of the major bugs and glitches

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 4:47 PM

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alright

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 4:47 PM

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no set time but it'll be fixed eventually probably in a hotfix

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dont see it taking months

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 4:47 PM

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but comparatively, the stego and deino growth times are similar right?

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 4:47 PM

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the same

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 4:47 PM

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i see

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 4:48 PM

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also i rly hope deinos start to get better becuz u can kill a stego with another deino if ur smart

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 4:48 PM

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i hear stories often about a full grown stego taking down 2 or 3 deinos

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im not sure of the validity

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 4:48 PM

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yes and its mostly cuz of how a lot of deinos overestimate the stego

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2 deinos technically can just block a stego and kill it

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have one at the back while one in the front attack the head

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it'll die fast

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u can also use ur swimming lunge to get a slight speed boost outta the water

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 4:50 PM

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doesnt lunge stun you though, since the stego is heavier ?

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 4:50 PM

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it does

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but u can use the swim boost to gain sum traction on land faster

errant plinth May 4, 2021, 4:52 PM

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how do you do the lunge anyway? cause it seems to have the same range regardless of if you're on land or in the water

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 4:52 PM

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all im tryna say is that stego isnt this monster killing everything

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 4:52 PM

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errant plinth how do you do the lunge anyway? cause it seems to have the same range regardless...

hold rmb

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u'll go further

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when lunge from the water vs land

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 4:52 PM

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and yeah stego isnt

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 4:54 PM

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the main issue is deinos r dying because the rivers r so shallow and skinny for no reason so it lets land dinos camp certain spots

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then the deinos get stuck

errant plinth May 4, 2021, 4:55 PM

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really the issue is overpopulation cause in addition to being the hot new thing being a deino is just easier than being a utah or a carno because there is actually fairly easy to catch food

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 4:55 PM

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that too

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overpop doesnt help either

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when u got 80 gators in one pond

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 4:56 PM

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but idk, it does feel like weird marginal difference to me when it takes two deinos and careful planning to kill one stego who has the same growth rate

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and yeah i agree

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gator overpopulation is a problem

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cannibalsm is super common, even to ungrouped adults

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 4:56 PM

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it might seem unfair but think this for a moment right, ptera is only 15 mins less then utah and yet utah is much much stronger and better

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sometimes growth scales with the game itself instead of just one match up

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so deino cant take on a stego w/o atleast a friend

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but it can drown the entire roster

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 4:57 PM

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yeah that makes sense

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 4:57 PM

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hopefully that makes sense

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 4:57 PM

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and yeah it can

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 4:58 PM

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same thing with ptera, while it is much much weaker it has flight so it circumvent every single threat in the game

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 4:58 PM

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the entire roster rn, besides stego, are just smaller less heavy animals though, even carno, but then again i remember someone saying the devs dont want deino to be an apex

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 4:58 PM

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actually stego

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and deino were using smaller models

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but they both got upsized so its prolly what made things janky

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 4:59 PM

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am i correct on that? they dont want it to be an apex?

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 4:59 PM

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well i believe so

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its more of a psuedo apex

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no one rly knows what the devs want

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they stego isnt an apex

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but buff its weight to 6 tons

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and make it bigger

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:00 PM

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lmao and it has a grouping of 8

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:00 PM

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idk lol

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tiers r just in general weird

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like for example a diablo is a small tier while allo is mid tier

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yet diablo has a good opportunity to kill an allo

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due to its weapons

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:01 PM

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diabalo is f***cking rad

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change my mind, the best mid tier in legacy combat wise

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ive killed allos and even suchos with it

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:02 PM

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diablo in legacy was a little too busted

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also its weight was like 3 tons lol

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:02 PM

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hes like a big angry oversized pit bull with horns

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and he has good turn rate too so he can ass ride bigger dinos to death too

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:03 PM

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ye but evrima turn rates r all gone

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everyone can turn in place

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thank god

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:03 PM

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im glad about that

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:03 PM

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utahs 1v1ing rexes

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lol

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:03 PM

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however, ive still seen assriding used

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because you can still stand inside of a dinosuars hurtbox

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theres no collision

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:04 PM

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against deino?

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:04 PM

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yeah

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:04 PM

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oh ye deino is weird

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also ppl need to learn how to use its alt bite

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a deino alt biting u cant ride

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:04 PM

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i think its weird that you can phase inside other dinosuars bodys in general

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:05 PM

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u cant anymore there is collision but it can be janky

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but its enough to the point where u wont see things inside each other

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except deino

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its physics r broken

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lol

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:05 PM

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well it is a new, big dino

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:05 PM

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u can be like literally inside it

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:06 PM

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id like you to name me one big dino that was released day one WITHOUT jank physics

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:06 PM

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tru tru

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:06 PM

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lmao

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ittle get fixed in time

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:07 PM

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things in evrima do seem to get better tho over time

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:07 PM

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theyve gotten this far and for what its worth i think theyre doing really good

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:08 PM

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ye

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at release teno was gang banged by utahs

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now look at it

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:08 PM

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its been a very slow process, but i think its thats whats making it better

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:08 PM

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their just a small dev team

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hopefully they can get more and more ppl over time

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:09 PM

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hopefully

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because for a small team this is pretty friggen good

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:09 PM

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Cant we just have deino be able to drown swimming stegos so stegos can somewhat be scared

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:09 PM

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yeah it still has its flaws but its being faithfully refined

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:09 PM

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fresh laurel Cant we just have deino be able to drown swimming stegos so stegos can somewhat ...

this is actually genius

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:10 PM

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yes there was a suggestion b4 about this

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seems good honestly

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:10 PM

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Ik

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:10 PM

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although personally

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:10 PM

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new idea, the weight range is decreased for animals who are swimming

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:10 PM

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Since in water everything feels lighter

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:10 PM

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it wont stop stegos who sit at the water and swing their tail

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:10 PM

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yeah!

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:10 PM

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not saying it wont help but

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stegs will still just block off deinos

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:10 PM

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grave veldt it wont stop stegos who sit at the water and swing their tail

Maybe deino can injur it later on

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And make it weaker idk

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:11 PM

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well if we make it weaker that'll cause more issues

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stego is already underpowered as it is

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:11 PM

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Under?

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:11 PM

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yes

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:11 PM

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Utah are the only counter

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:11 PM

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it two shots a utah at the base of the tail

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:12 PM

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Yea but thats the tail

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A face is one shot

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:12 PM

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obviously

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the main issue is ever hitting the utah tho

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:12 PM

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okay stego being balanced i can agree with, but stego being underpowered as it is rn?

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:12 PM

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this is why the jab in general is weird

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:12 PM

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Besides utah packs other carnies have trouble

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:13 PM

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yes it is underpowered

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but its ok because it makes it balanced

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deino as well is underpowered

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but its balanced for the current roster

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:13 PM

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Not really

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Deino is ambush

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:13 PM

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still needs a few things

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:13 PM

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But if it could drown swimming stegos then its gonna be better

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:13 PM

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underpowered isnt always bad

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:14 PM

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Meh

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:14 PM

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they can change things around anyways

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:14 PM

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They might buff deino when spino comes

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Or spino just gonna be slow

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:14 PM

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spino is supposed to kill deino so they'll prolly just make deino faster

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or make spino slow enough

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:14 PM

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Imagine deino swimming so fast to catch you

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Thats scary

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:15 PM

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yo crocs can be hella speedy when they want to lol

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:15 PM

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Ik

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:15 PM

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spino is looking to be the true aquatic apex of the game, deino is gonna be just below it

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:15 PM

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But deino scary enough XD

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Deino size buff might happen

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To a bigger specimen

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:16 PM

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no reason to tho

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:16 PM

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they could go that route and make it an apex like spino

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that would be, uh, scary

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:16 PM

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8 tons and bigger then a stego is quite big enough

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:16 PM

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Deino semi apex that gonna rival sucho i bet

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:16 PM

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probs

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:17 PM

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well a sucho is still under threat against deinos

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:17 PM

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Bary gonna have a lot of scares in the water

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:17 PM

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sucho would be a nice addition

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:17 PM

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i think bary just dies

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:17 PM

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Bary seems more buff now

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:17 PM

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deino lunges out and hes goner

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:18 PM

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Bary might be a weaker carno that can swim

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:19 PM

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you know that entire stretch of shallows under in the canyons that connects the spawns?

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:19 PM

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Yea

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:19 PM

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its dumb

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:19 PM

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Eh

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:19 PM

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yea that needs changed

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the fact thats the only way for u to go to the other side of the map as a deino is pretty bad

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:20 PM

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i dont see what would stop the majority of dinosuars camping there because deinos cant do shit in that water

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:20 PM

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not to mention its so long

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:20 PM

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yes

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its soooooooooo long

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:20 PM

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there needs to be sum deep parts

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:20 PM

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its ridiculous, theres one small deepspot in the middle and then the rest of the way is flat again

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:21 PM

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Maybe bary can inhabit shallow water XD

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:21 PM

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thats an idea i suppose

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:21 PM

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personally i feel like bary should deal more dmg with its claws then its bite

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:21 PM

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rn tho its ridiculous

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i crossed it as an adult because i hadnt gone that way before

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i was walking on edge for 10 minutes

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:22 PM

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last time i went there there was a stego camping it for deinos

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:22 PM

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i was so convinced some carnos or a stego was gonna come down, see me trudging in the middle of those shallows, and kill me

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:23 PM

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thats why i went with a grp of 5 adults

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:23 PM

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i ended up making it all the way because it was a somewhat unpopular server but dear god it was annoying

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:23 PM

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You know if they added a tar pit deino would become op...

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:23 PM

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there is a tar pit

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:23 PM

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A real one

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Where you die

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:23 PM

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deinos can swim in tar?

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:23 PM

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oh where u die

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:23 PM

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No like

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You pick up utah

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And put it in tar

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:24 PM

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and watch it slowly die?

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:24 PM

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Yes

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B)

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:24 PM

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seems interesting

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:24 PM

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seems pretty niche, not op, but oh so hilarious

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:24 PM

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things getting stuck in tar

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:24 PM

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It would be funny seeing a pachy run from a utah pack only to fall in tar

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:24 PM

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that could be a strategy on deathmatch servers if the test map has a tar pit

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:25 PM

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Yup

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:25 PM

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oh yea speaking of pachy

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i hope its not shit

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:25 PM

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it was shit before if im bein honest

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:25 PM

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If pachy has better bleed protection then im up for it

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:25 PM

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exactly

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honestly

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make pachys head have a negative locational dmg

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:25 PM

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Like the head

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:26 PM

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hits like a truck for its size but has literally no bleed resistance and all that

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:26 PM

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yes

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:26 PM

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And tail

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:26 PM

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this way u gotta aim for the neck

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:26 PM

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At least pachy will disable utahs soon

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:26 PM

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literally

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lol

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:26 PM

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i think patchy should fracture bones on smaller dinos

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:26 PM

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It better

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:26 PM

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like a utah or even an allo

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:26 PM

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Allos maybe

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:27 PM

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i can see it fracturing an allos leg

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:27 PM

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yeah

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:27 PM

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I can see pachy giving apexes a stub

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:27 PM

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lol

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:27 PM

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probs lol

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i can see it soloing a raptor and winning most of the time too

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:28 PM

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A pachy pack will rule the server by slowly giving you bone damage and make you disabled

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:28 PM

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that would be entertaining

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:28 PM

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i mean the devs said they wanna make pachy good basically

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fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:28 PM

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Pachy ram vs carno ram

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Pachy ram should win...

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:28 PM

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pachy wins

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called it

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not on my screen

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:29 PM

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Weird

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:29 PM

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🗿

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:29 PM

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Pachy should be able to survive night time with dilos being added

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:30 PM

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pachy would win because a literal rounded off bone skull is gonna have much more resistance than pointy keratin horns

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yeah carno is bigger and heavier and, probs, faster

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:30 PM

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Carno bite nerf when we get more small dinos

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Since carno had a weak bite

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Well not crazy weak

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:31 PM

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it had bleed

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:31 PM

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Yea

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:31 PM

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in legacy it had bleed to deal with things

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:31 PM

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But bite nerf and bleed buff

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In evrima

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:31 PM

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carno is apparently 3.6 times heavier then pachy not to mention faster

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pachy prolly wouldn't win that ram battle

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too much weight difference

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:32 PM

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Pachy should be able to make carno have a run for its money

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:32 PM

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nah prolly not lol

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its not going to be weak but carno is just too large

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:32 PM

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But how will pachy get away alive

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:32 PM

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im talking about structure tho, maybe it would lose, but the carno is definitely gonna get a concussion

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:32 PM

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If pachy slower

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:32 PM

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fresh laurel But how will pachy get away alive

same way utah does

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:32 PM

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Oh wait nvm

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:32 PM

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juking

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:32 PM

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Yea was gonna say agility

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:32 PM

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ye

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:32 PM

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lol

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:32 PM

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pachy isnt like a lumbering giant lol

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:33 PM

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And pachy might get a jump again...

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:33 PM

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lmao imagine pachys doing power dunks

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:33 PM

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Oh man

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:33 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/837093818837893160/PachyJumps.mp4

▶ Play video

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:33 PM

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A pachy montage isnt to far away

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:33 PM

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pachy jump PogBlue

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:33 PM

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if they can jump theyre gonna get some sort of aerial bonk and its gonna HURT

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:33 PM

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What if all dinos got a trailer showing their ablities

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:34 PM

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like the one we got with deino and ptera or something?

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:34 PM

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Yea

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Kinda

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:34 PM

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oh yea that'll prolly come with each update now

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since they have an official video creator/editor

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Seiza

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:34 PM

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I want utah and tenoto trailer

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:(

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:34 PM

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oh well

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:34 PM

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id love a dilo trailer

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a dilo trailer would be sick

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:35 PM

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Why have dilo when you can have troodon

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:35 PM

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like a nightime horror film

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:35 PM

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or both

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:35 PM

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troodon looks small

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:35 PM

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TI_WeSmart

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:35 PM

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Troodon more scary if you ask me

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They hunt in big packs...

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:35 PM

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troodon

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is quite small

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stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:35 PM

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troodon looks like a little pocket gremlin

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:35 PM

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But packs make up for it

rapid bison May 4, 2021, 5:35 PM

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you kill them, they never stop coming

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:36 PM

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Imagine playing human and you kill some but 20 more come

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:36 PM

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it doesnt. a dilo pack is gonna be way more scary than a troodon pack

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:36 PM

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Thats scary

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:36 PM

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a dilo pack would be scary for things that r bigger

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:36 PM

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Humans might get best stam ingame...

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:36 PM

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dilos can systematically take out big dinos at night with bleed

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:36 PM

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Wouldnt humans be the best stam playable ingame

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:37 PM

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stuck fog dilos can systematically take out big dinos at night with bleed

With how bleed is now that big dino will camp mud lol

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Just cross water and use mud

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Well careful of deinos ofc

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:37 PM

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mud doesnt fully stop it anymore, didnt you see the patch notes?

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you have to rest

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mud only inhibits it now

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:38 PM

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Simple.

rapid bison May 4, 2021, 5:38 PM

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Did you know that hypsi runs for exactly 4:20 minutes?

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:38 PM

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Neat

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:38 PM

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humans 1 hour run time

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TI_Troll

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:38 PM

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Yes

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:38 PM

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their so slow anyways

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they need hella stam

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:38 PM

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Tribals might be kinda fast

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:39 PM

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and dilo is gonna be doing A LOT of bleed, so i dont think mud camp will save you from a pack of 4, 5 dilos nipping you

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:39 PM

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tribals would be completely different

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their more like orcs

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:39 PM

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Tribals will have spears so bleed gonna be a ton

rapid bison May 4, 2021, 5:39 PM

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so dilo is gonna be super good in both bleed and venom?

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:39 PM

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rapid bison so dilo is gonna be super good in both bleed and venom?

prolly not

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:39 PM

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is it bleed? or are they doing venom?

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:39 PM

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Bleed

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Troodon venom

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:40 PM

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troodon is venom, yeah

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:40 PM

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they were going for venom with hallucinogenic properties

rapid bison May 4, 2021, 5:40 PM

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grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:40 PM

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roadmap says
Significantly larger than the Troodon, the Dilophosaurus is a predator that favors nocturnal hunting. Equipped with exceptional night vision and a nasty venomous bite, which if inflicted after sunset will leave you wondering what's real... and what's not.

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:40 PM

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You know what we should be talking about

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Megalania

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 5:40 PM

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not even sure where to start tbh

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:41 PM

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Its stats or attacks?

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Maybe tail smack might stun utah size things

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:41 PM

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oh shit they said they were adding that yeah?

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:41 PM

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Yea

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:41 PM

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im more excited about titanaboa if im being honest

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:42 PM

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Titana might be able to swim fast

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But not go under

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:42 PM

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im fine with that as long as it can constrict mid tiers

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and, you know, swallow things whole

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:42 PM

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Wonder if titana can get up trees for herrera snack

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:43 PM

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GOING UP TREES WOULD BE SICK

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:43 PM

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Yes

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But idk about accurate but at same time game not very accurate

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:44 PM

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imagine going up a tree as a titana and then dropping down on some poor bary or raptor or even a juvie stego and constricting them

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:44 PM

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Oh no

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:44 PM

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how big is titana even

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:44 PM

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Very big

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Ill tell you that

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:44 PM

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you think it could constrict a diabalo or a stego?

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:44 PM

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Longer than rex

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:44 PM

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oh shit

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:44 PM

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For sure diabalo

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But stego no cus spines

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:45 PM

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i seem to have underestimated it

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:45 PM

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Ill get a imagine real quick

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:45 PM

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get one for megalania too just because

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:46 PM

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Here

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alpine plover May 4, 2021, 5:46 PM

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titanoboa is big enough to kill a raptor at least

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:46 PM

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This one inaccurate

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But still long boy

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:47 PM

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hes thick and muscular too

alpine plover May 4, 2021, 5:47 PM

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The stomping land Titanoboa promo render, killing an Austro. Both models were bought by Afterthought for The Isle.

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:47 PM

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much, much bigger than i was thinking

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:47 PM

#

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The chunky lizard

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:48 PM

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megalania might be like deino but fast land predator with bleed or something instead of grapple

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:49 PM

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Megalania babies can climb

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:49 PM

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its definitely getting a tail whip. lizards love tail whips

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:49 PM

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At least like kamodos

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Megalania tail smack will break legs thats for sure

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And megalania might be kinda a swimmer

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That hopfully cant go under water

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:51 PM

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it wont

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i imagine it being more land based actually

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i imagine it having a really good ambush sprint since its low profile and it could sneak around sorta

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:52 PM

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Today modern lizards that megalania are related to can swim so you never know

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And if you ask me swimming can be a last effort when in combat

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Only as a get away

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:52 PM

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it can swim too yeah

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only on the surface tho

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:53 PM

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I said that

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:53 PM

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yeah please

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:53 PM

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fresh laurel That hopfully cant go under water

See

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:53 PM

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or else it would be deino number two

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:53 PM

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Megalania swimming should be slow though

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Cus its only to get away from like utah packs

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Megalania having venom would be cool ngl

stark knoll May 4, 2021, 5:55 PM

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its confirmed to have venom

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:55 PM

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UH OH

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UH OH

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big bad

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:55 PM

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And the abilty to eat down ppl alive would be also cool

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Like if person is very crippled and is not able to walk

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Then you eat them live

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Like kamodos

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Wonder if megalania will be able to make small burrows for babies

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:57 PM

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lol imagine running for a minute or two as a human from a megalania that bit you and then collapsing to venom

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and then the screen fades to black as youre swallowed whole

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:57 PM

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Not swallowed whole but...

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:57 PM

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or uh eaten alive i mean

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my bad, not a snake unhinging its jaw

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:58 PM

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Limbs getting eaten while your down not being able to do anything

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:58 PM

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yeah i know

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imagine the screen fading to black on that

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:58 PM

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Yes

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:58 PM

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the isle is technically labled under horror on steam sooooooooo

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:58 PM

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Well

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Ngl

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Deino ls gave me heart attacks

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My utah somehow survived deino grab

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:59 PM

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thats dumb

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you shouldve died

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lmao

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 5:59 PM

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Deino prob had half stam

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I was full stam

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It was so scary

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 5:59 PM

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even then i imagine a big 8 ton gator outlasting a utah in that wrestling match

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 6:00 PM

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Lol

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In all fairness

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Deino has less stam

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And utah doesnt miss legday

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 6:00 PM

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but hes in w a t e r

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 6:01 PM

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But the deino had less stam so who knows

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I just got lucky

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 6:01 PM

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maybe he just panicked and let go of you or something

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lmao

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 6:01 PM

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Why

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Would

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They

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Panic

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Im a utah

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xD

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 6:01 PM

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couldve been a new player for all you know

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ive been playing for a while and can still barely manage to hit the damn fish XD

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 6:02 PM

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I doubt a new player will make it to adult hood without refunding the game

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 6:02 PM

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PFFFT

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GOOD POINT!

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 6:02 PM

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Exactly

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So that deino who got me prob had some really low stam

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 6:03 PM

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lower than half

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 6:03 PM

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And thought no way will this utah live

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 6:03 PM

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im gonna say that, lower than half

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 6:03 PM

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Lol

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Deino king of the heart attacks

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 6:04 PM

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im surpised a lunge even hit you

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 6:04 PM

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I was drinking

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Lol

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 6:04 PM

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im still surprised

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TI_DeinoMischief

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 6:04 PM

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They fixed the hitbox a bit

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Soooo

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 6:04 PM

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when

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 6:05 PM

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When update 3 came its better than the testing version

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 6:05 PM

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is it still bad?

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 6:05 PM

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No

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 6:05 PM

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okay loll

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 6:05 PM

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Prob cus ppl lag in middle of lunge

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I remember my utah pack dying to sub deinos lol

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I lived

stuck fog May 4, 2021, 6:07 PM

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i remember i lost my first fullgrown adult deino because a pair i passed earlier came back down the river and killed me for food

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it was pretty cringe

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5 hours gone as soon as i go out to actually kill something cool

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i mean, i know cannibalism is normal for actual gators, but adults? seriously? feels bad

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the server i was on only had like 50 people so maybe thats it too

fresh laurel May 4, 2021, 7:36 PM

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Well diets will prob make canniblism give debuff

indigo turtle May 4, 2021, 9:28 PM

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ok i know im real late about the utah hp nerf discussion but did anyone consider the fact that every evrima dino except 2 can 1 shot utahs using stuns and grabs?

hollow canyon May 4, 2021, 9:41 PM

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It's completely down to Utah whether it gets oneshot or not. You can tank a lot of stuff with your tail making even Deino deal 50dmg to you with its bite if you know how to do it.

wide tulip May 4, 2021, 10:17 PM

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@cosmic hamlet I agree with you on something!

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as a stego i'm just drinking constantly

cosmic hamlet May 4, 2021, 10:23 PM

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@wide tulip Nice. Let's hope it's gonna eat a lot more

wide tulip May 4, 2021, 10:23 PM

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they need to dial back hunger/thirst on predators

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it feels like leaving an area with food is dumb, so you camp

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but ya for a stego it's super dumb you're slow AF and then you dont eat at all

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but you drink every 5 mins

novel tulip May 4, 2021, 10:26 PM

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Wouldn't it help alleviate the stegos playing like crocodile predators situation if they flipped it to where stego needs to eat more and drink less

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Instead of nerfing and buffing debates

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Feels like stego is incentivized to camp near the water with such fast thirst drain

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 10:35 PM

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ye no large dinos in general who r land based should be so near water

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constantly

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its not like deinos can hunt them anyways

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so it doesnt matter if they drink or not

cosmic hamlet May 4, 2021, 10:42 PM

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A stego is much like an elephant. It can live 4 days without water but eats 16 hours every day. It doesn't have to go so far for stego in the isle, but less drinking and more eating will make it a lot more stego

grave veldt May 4, 2021, 10:43 PM

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def

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honestly big grazer

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should be incentvized to stay in plains and things like that too eat food

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water should be dialed back a lot as stego mercs deino so theres no reason for it have low water consumption

sinful cove May 4, 2021, 11:07 PM

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Upvoting your own suggestion TI_Yikes

lament cloak May 4, 2021, 11:07 PM

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sinful cove Upvoting your own suggestion <:TI_Yikes:464844598494101505>

first of all utah definitly does NOT need a bite increase, second of all... miragaia beat me to it

sinful cove May 4, 2021, 11:07 PM

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TI_Troll

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And ya Utah is already borderline busted he needs no buffs

wide tulip May 4, 2021, 11:20 PM

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ya Utah is nuts right now

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it grows so fast, does a ton of damage and that LEAP

frosty heron May 4, 2021, 11:47 PM

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^ Utah haters be like

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#NerfUtahMorePlz

sinful cove May 4, 2021, 11:48 PM

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More? Didn’t it just get a growth time reduction?

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That aint a nerf lol

frosty heron May 4, 2021, 11:48 PM

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sinful cove More? Didn’t it just get a growth time reduction?

You're skipping everything else from Update 2 to 3 right?

sinful cove May 4, 2021, 11:49 PM

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Its still mowing things over in ez grow mega packs

frosty heron May 4, 2021, 11:49 PM

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Actually it's welcome it got a grow time buff

frosty heron May 4, 2021, 11:49 PM

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sinful cove Its still mowing things over in ez grow mega packs

That's how the animal should be, work in numbers

sinful cove May 4, 2021, 11:50 PM

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With how fast it grows it is overly easy for powerful packs to replenish numbers

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The packs are so big they can all be awful players and still mow everything

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Least the ones i saw were, utterly ridiculous sized packs

frosty heron May 4, 2021, 11:51 PM

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I can understand it was OP on U2 but triggers me people is asking for more even after pounce got nerfed both directly and indirectly (bucking buff) and the leg multiplier decreased actually helped Carnos against Utahs so I count that one aswell

frosty heron May 4, 2021, 11:52 PM

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sinful cove With how fast it grows it is overly easy for powerful packs to replenish numbers

1 hour and 15 mins still good time to grow its not like you gonna be killing stuff immediately after dying

sinful cove May 4, 2021, 11:52 PM

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Nobody in this convo asked for a nerf lol we just commented on how it DEFINITELY doesn't need a buff

frosty heron May 4, 2021, 11:53 PM

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Yall just talk like Utah still OP or something lol

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It's good I won't negate that

sinful cove May 4, 2021, 11:53 PM

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The packs running around certainly are

frosty heron May 4, 2021, 11:54 PM

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Dude, packs of anything are OP

golden coral May 4, 2021, 11:54 PM

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Utah is a pack animal, not a swarm animal. Shut the big numbers down, leave that for other critters.

frosty heron May 4, 2021, 11:54 PM

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5 Carnos are OP aswell

sinful cove May 4, 2021, 11:54 PM

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It is extremely easy to make a megapack with utahs

golden coral May 4, 2021, 11:54 PM

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People should not be playing utah using swarm tactcis or anything similar. That's just bad. But that's more of an issue with food availability perhaps.

frosty heron May 4, 2021, 11:55 PM

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I don't even saw swarms of Utahs ever

sinful cove May 4, 2021, 11:55 PM

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Ive seen multiple in a few hours of playtime a couple days ago

frosty heron May 4, 2021, 11:55 PM

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Actually there's more Deinos than Utahs in a same spot, I usually pack with 4-6 Utahs

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And there's always casualties

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Of course new juveniles are found eventually

golden coral May 4, 2021, 11:56 PM

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5 carnos are also bad to be fair, shouldn't really be a thing either.

sinful cove May 4, 2021, 11:56 PM

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I saw like 3 packs of carnos with 5 average, then a wasp swarm level of utahs

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Like somebody kicked a hive and bees swarmed out but instead if bees it was gangly ass jp raptors

golden coral May 4, 2021, 11:57 PM

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@spring ruin No. Ptera is living specator cam, not a fighter. If you want to fight, wait until you get quetz. If anything, ptera should have a bite nerf, or just remove flying peck downwards perhaps. It should not be fighting stuff, not even in flocks really.

sinful cove May 4, 2021, 11:58 PM

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People picking ptera wanting to actively hunt TI_LUL

golden coral May 4, 2021, 11:58 PM

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I really don't get that, do they realize how tiny a ptera is? :p

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Sure, you got a nice beak, for tiny ass juvies. That's about it.

sinful cove May 4, 2021, 11:58 PM

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Its a fcking paper plane with a beak

frosty heron May 4, 2021, 11:58 PM

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People wants BoB Ptera it seems

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Grab Sauropods and kill them

sinful cove May 4, 2021, 11:59 PM

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Lmao seems like it

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Even quetz would probably struggle to pick up small tiers

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Seem so many suggestions about ptera picking things up with its feet too like how tf would it do that lmao

alpine plover May 5, 2021, 12:02 AM

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it’s literally skin and bone blank no way it’s going to pick anything up

frosty heron May 5, 2021, 12:02 AM

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sinful cove Seem so many suggestions about ptera picking things up with its feet too like ho...

There's Pteras currently capable of bitting you for whole 20 minutes, that's dedication

dusky surge May 5, 2021, 12:37 AM

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my friend plays ptera like a goddamn magpie

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he flies up to dinos 5x his size and just pecks them

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he knows he wont kill them, he does it to fuel their rage

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that is how pteras hunt

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they do not hunt for food, only rage

fresh laurel May 5, 2021, 12:55 AM

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@spring ruin quetz might be coming sooo

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 1:30 AM

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Shap there’s no need to make them stronger

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Their specifically made to be weak as their supposed to be a fisher and a glider

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Just wait till quetz comes out

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A pterasaur that’s 3 times if not more bigger then ptera

sonic flame May 5, 2021, 1:31 AM

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250 kg giraffe vs 90 kg albatross basically lol

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 1:31 AM

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Basically

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Lol

rapid bison May 5, 2021, 1:47 AM

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nooo it's gone

novel tulip May 5, 2021, 1:47 AM

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God

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That was the most intelligent suggestion I've ever read

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 3:51 AM

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wait what

sinful cove May 5, 2021, 5:35 AM

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what is battery's feedback saying? is he saying utah is underpowered, carno is overpowered? I don't get it

ripe zinc May 5, 2021, 7:52 AM

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sinful cove what is battery's feedback saying? is he saying utah is underpowered, carno is o...

I think he's saying they should just release new dinosaurs without finishing them?

slim dragon May 5, 2021, 7:53 AM

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Which is a great idea
All like in legacy

dim radish May 5, 2021, 7:54 AM

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ripe zinc I think he's saying they should just release new dinosaurs without finishing the...

Excuse me what? TI_What

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What kind of suggestion is that?

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“scavenge from legacy“
Do some people don't understand that evrima is an entirely new game and things have to be redone?

slim dragon May 5, 2021, 7:57 AM

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You know most people don't understand this

dusky surge May 5, 2021, 7:57 AM

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i dont think he understands that legacy's designs are simplistic as fuck and Evermia is trying to give each dino actual unique behaviours and purpose outside of different stats and models

sullen dock May 5, 2021, 7:58 AM

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interesting because I noted for a time that the devs werent doing any major updates to the game for a while, then they announced that they had to completely recode the game and make evrima and it suddenly made sense

dusky surge May 5, 2021, 7:59 AM

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like yes, Legacy does have more dinos but Evermia's dinos feel actually more fleshed out like they tried to make each dino its own unique thing with unique needs, behaviours and skills, rather than just a carbon copy of another with a different set of stats and model

sullen dock May 5, 2021, 7:59 AM

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do people not intensely follow the development of games they play?

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im just surprised that anybody thinks evrima is the same game as legacy

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like from a "infrastructure" standpoint

dim radish May 5, 2021, 8:01 AM

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It's sad

dusky surge May 5, 2021, 8:01 AM

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Deinosuchus and pteranodon have literally completely unique environmental needs, stamina usages, food variants and abilities. They interact with the world in a way that's almost entirely unique from any dino seen in legacy, and this is for the clear reason that the game wants an ecosystem of different behaviours and toolsets, not a tier list of different dinos

sullen dock May 5, 2021, 8:02 AM

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well honestly idk about legacy being a sort of tier list, though thats sorta how progression made it back in the early days 😂

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but they certainly are aiming for even more thoughtful and varied playstyles than before, thats for sure

dim radish May 5, 2021, 8:03 AM

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They are making those creatures with love and not just Yeah Here. Rex. A billion N biteforce, bone break and 20 hours grow.
Take it and done

dusky surge May 5, 2021, 8:04 AM

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legacy's uniqueness between dinos came more from the way you could evolve and adapt them with the strands and whatnot, that's how people differed their dinos. Now the dinos from a straight base-point are already wildly varied, even without wild and crazy mutations

sullen dock May 5, 2021, 8:04 AM

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I guess I always played really asymmetric dinos like carno in legacy

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so the playstyle was different, because I couldnt just be a generalist

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I could run tho 🦵 🦵

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but yeah already the dinosaurs feel so much more thoughtful and fleshed out than before

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I could only imagine what it would be like with the full roster and fleshed out mechanics

dusky surge May 5, 2021, 8:07 AM

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if they just slapped in every legacy dino then you'd have the 8 current well fleshed out dinos and a ton of simple designed beasts which feel very out of place in the defined environment of evermia

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they are actually adding dinos for purpose. They fulfil specialised roles in their environment

sullen dock May 5, 2021, 8:08 AM

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I mean they sorta did before but because of the engine limits they really couldnt reach that

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like its not that the animals werent different and did not have different playstyles - its that it was very flat

rich fractal May 5, 2021, 8:08 AM

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dont think yous would be here in the first place if all the earlier versions were bad

sullen dock May 5, 2021, 8:08 AM

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there was no depth beyond the basic characteristics of your animal

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dilo had good night vision, but I dont even know if rex's scent sensing was very strong

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carno was fast and very limited, and forced more interesting choices in my experience

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but now its managing to have emergent complexity

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which is cool

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so yeah I couldnt imagine the devs readily porting the old dinos over, let alone porting well

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its starting from the ground floor, but this time with some experience

slim dragon May 5, 2021, 8:13 AM

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Better give them time to redo things right

sullen dock May 5, 2021, 8:14 AM

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I dont even know how technically feasible it is to move a dino over

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like people make the mistake of thinking its a Ctrl C/V job when its like putting the wrong ammo in a gun

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yeah it might go bang, but in horrid ways

slim dragon May 5, 2021, 8:15 AM

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I think they can't
Originally they imported old Legacy rex model in Evrima, and all its animations and rig were broken

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They showed it during a stream

sullen dock May 5, 2021, 8:15 AM

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I remember that yeah

dim radish May 5, 2021, 8:28 AM

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Again, everything has to be redone. They can't salvage or scavenge stuff

signal fable May 5, 2021, 9:52 AM

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@spring ruin The reason the Pteras have a weak biteforce is because they arent meant to kill other dinos. They don't have teeth, they have beaks. They are a fish eater and honestly in my opinion the ptera is perfectly balanced and doesnt need anything added to it.

dim radish May 5, 2021, 1:30 PM

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Bro Hypsi and Dyro depend on such herds because they are meant to be that way.
Even back then, herbivores packed together and had different kinds of usage in a herd

steel hatch May 5, 2021, 1:33 PM

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I remember. And even back then, herds were basically an unbalanced nightmare. Hypsi and dryo have their own strengths, they clearly don't need a herd to survive at all.

dim radish May 5, 2021, 1:34 PM

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What reality do you live in?

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Dryo and Hypsi are food without a herd

steel hatch May 5, 2021, 1:35 PM

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It's quite concerning to see all the people that don't care about balance.
Dryo is fastest than everything except carno, which it can juke and hide from. Hypsi can also hide and spit.

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They are not more food than small carnivores

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which can't mix between species

dim radish May 5, 2021, 1:37 PM

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No One is Complaining about herbivores mixpacking

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Except you

steel hatch May 5, 2021, 1:40 PM

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So? that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Herbis are not worst dinos than carnis. But they are able to group up and have all the tools they need to survive. If you don't see the balance issue, I don't know what to tell you.

dusky surge May 5, 2021, 1:41 PM

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i like watching herbivores move in giant awesome packs

steel hatch May 5, 2021, 1:41 PM

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Good for you.

dusky surge May 5, 2021, 1:41 PM

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i just spend my time as raptor running around and watching the bastards move majestically through the fields. I don't really see anything wrong with them doing so, it's not like they can actually do much damage unless you decide to engage them

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most, if not all, carnivores are capable of choosing their own fights

steel hatch May 5, 2021, 1:43 PM

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But you know, when you have to hunt them in order to survive, while they can just be there and be unvulnerable and graze and be ok, it seems wrong.

dusky surge May 5, 2021, 1:43 PM

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but it seems very fitting for herbivores to do that

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when everything is against you, you stick together

dim radish May 5, 2021, 1:43 PM

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steel hatch So? that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Herbis are not worst dinos than carnis. But the...

No, it doesn't mean you are wrong.
But it might make you reconsider your standpoint

dusky surge May 5, 2021, 1:43 PM

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plus, it creates food competition, which is a unique downside

steel hatch May 5, 2021, 1:44 PM

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dim radish No, it doesn't mean you are wrong. But it might make you reconsider your standpo...

You first. Unless you have actual arguments?

dim radish May 5, 2021, 1:48 PM

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steel hatch You first. Unless you have actual arguments?

Well I actually did If you read my messages?

Dryos and Hypsis highly depend on herds, they are built that way.
It's realistic behavior, both for back then and today for modern animals
it does not fuck up the balance, since carnivores can chose their fights and avoid big herds
No one actually minds this and no one is against herbivores mixpacking.

To give you credit, I'd understand that with apex herbis, like shants and trikes together in legacy, because that would be op but no body, and I mean no body, has a problem with tenos, dryos and stegos forming a large herd.
It even benefits carnivores, because their prey is gathered at one spot and they can just pick out the weakest of the group

frosty heron May 5, 2021, 1:53 PM

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I would let Dryos and Hypsis be in a mixed Herds as "Scouts" and I wouldn't let big herbs mixpack together, that's my opinion

dim radish May 5, 2021, 1:54 PM

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frosty heron I would let Dryos and Hypsis be in a mixed Herds as "Scouts" and I wouldn't let ...

And thats something I can understand.
I wouldn't exclude para and stuff tho, just the apexes not being able to pack with other apexes

frosty heron May 5, 2021, 1:54 PM

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Because yeah big mixed Herds of big Herbivores gives me Legacy nightmares of OP herds of Shants/Trikes/Theris

steel hatch May 5, 2021, 1:54 PM

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I already told you why Dryos and Hypsis are good on their own. Do you have any official sources about them being built that way?
In my suggestion I already address why realism is not a good argument here.
Carnis can chose their fights, and groups of herbis formed of one species can defend themselves fine without the powercreep that mixed herds are.
Maybe no one is against it because everyone is used to it and think it is normal.

dim radish May 5, 2021, 1:55 PM

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steel hatch - I already told you why Dryos and Hypsis are good on their own. Do you have any...

Sources? Are you that inkompetent to understand that Dryos used masses and herds to protect themselves, because they can't?
Have you seen any dinosaur documentary?

steel hatch May 5, 2021, 1:58 PM

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Oh, started calling names I see? Charming.
Realism again? If you are that bent on it, I guess you are the kind of person that want deino biteforce buff because it is "realistic"?

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Dryos can protect themselves btw, it's one of the easier dinos to survive as

lament cloak May 5, 2021, 2:00 PM

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there is no rules on official, you can group up as carnivores if you want to.

steel hatch May 5, 2021, 2:01 PM

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I don't want to. And I don't want to see that. mixpacking shouldn't be allowed in any forms

dim radish May 5, 2021, 2:03 PM

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steel hatch Oh, started calling names I see? Charming. Realism again? If you are that bent o...

Well excuse me for my language but I am really starting to think you are a troll, mate.

No, I am not one of those people, I still think balance comes before realism. But the balance will be fine either way, so that's why my realism argument comes in.

lament cloak May 5, 2021, 2:05 PM

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there will never be external rules on official, the only rules that will ever be on official will be built into the game

steel hatch May 5, 2021, 2:10 PM

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I'm not a troll. Considering someone a troll just because they don't have the same opinion as you is not a good way to discuss.
I'm not sure how the balance will be fine, when for example, a couple of Utahraptors have to face stegos and tenontos in order to hunt a Dryo. It is their intended prey, which is already faster than them and doesn't need other herbis to protect it.

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I'm not against herbis grouping

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just mix packing

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with other herbis

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They are fine on their own.

lament cloak May 5, 2021, 2:11 PM

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thats how the game works, go find some easier prey

sonic flame May 5, 2021, 2:11 PM

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Diets will likely fix this issue anyway

steel hatch May 5, 2021, 2:14 PM

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Exactly @lament cloak , but as a carni I took time and resources to find my intended prey actually immune to predation. And I will have to take time and resources again to find another one. While these herbis are fine in food. See the issue?

sonic flame May 5, 2021, 2:16 PM

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Diets are likely going to severely hinder herbivore mix packs, but even now you can pretty easily harass herds to expose weak targets

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Get 2 or 3 Utahs and make them hit each other

golden coral May 5, 2021, 2:17 PM

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Im very much against mixherding. Dryos do not need something else to survive, nor should they. No playable should rely on another for survival. And mixherding is as bad as mixpacking when it comes to balance. Theres no reason I should care for, much less need, another species to survive.

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:19 PM

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^ agreed

steel hatch May 5, 2021, 2:20 PM

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I mean just look at the new nesting grounds arts. Species are not mixed together. They all have their own spots. So I don't think smaller herbis are built to be mixed with bigger ones

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:20 PM

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stegos already r a pretty bad dino to defending things cuz their tail is flexible

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so they end up hitting everything

frosty heron May 5, 2021, 2:20 PM

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Stegos can't even defend their young sometimes

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There built for self defense

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:21 PM

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indeed

sonic flame May 5, 2021, 2:21 PM

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An animal that relies on others to defend them won’t be played, so I agree there. In terms of mixed herds, again, diets should sort that out since stego and tenos won’t be hanging around each other much if at all

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:21 PM

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ik teno was intended to be a swamp dino

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unless its gonna be changed or something

steel hatch May 5, 2021, 2:23 PM

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Well, if the devs actually don't want mix herds to be a viable thing, I can only support them.

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But judging by the numbers of ❌ at my suggestion, a lot of people don't care about balance and are going to be upset about it.

lament cloak May 5, 2021, 2:26 PM

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first of all that is a terrible mindset to have, if you are going to get upset because people didnt like your suggestion then you should definitly stop posting here, second of all xs mean nothing. most everone who reacts here wants global to return but it isnt coming

frosty heron May 5, 2021, 2:29 PM

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You shouldn't care about people thoughts honestly, if devs take suggestions that seriously they're doing wrong. And I'm sure they won't do that

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People just dislikes your suggestions because mixpacking herds + global chat back it's all they want to bring back Legacy chatroom Dinogame...

steel hatch May 5, 2021, 2:31 PM

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Do I look upset? If anything I'm relieved because diets will stop mix herding from happening.

ruby pike May 5, 2021, 2:34 PM

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Not necessarily, some species could mix-herd to find a common food source for both species take for example wildebeest and zebras from today, they migrate together because they are looking for the same type of grass

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:34 PM

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frosty heron People just dislikes your suggestions because mixpacking herds + global chat bac...

global chat

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tired rover May 5, 2021, 2:35 PM

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Oh I doubt it will stop mix herding, but it will open up unique opportunitys for carnivores. Folks who prefer to mix herd will be forced to make the choice of sticking together at all times and gimping development, or splitting off often to gather the food they need.
Either way it's great for a carnivore, because mix herds tend to be cocky and loud. Making them easy to find and easy to take advantage of. Especially now that you can run of with smaller corpses upon making a kill and no longer need to worry so much about corpse guarding.

alpine plover May 5, 2021, 2:36 PM

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Herbivores do not need global to form mixed herds

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:36 PM

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diets and removing global will help a lot

alpine plover May 5, 2021, 2:36 PM

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and besides irl herbivores of different species can form loose or live alongside each other at least

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:36 PM

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u cant talk to other species now

alpine plover May 5, 2021, 2:36 PM

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yes ik

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:37 PM

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and when diets come certain dinos will be in their own place

alpine plover May 5, 2021, 2:37 PM

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nor would you be talking to other species irl

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:37 PM

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will it completely solve mix packing? no but it'll help immensly

alpine plover May 5, 2021, 2:37 PM

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I am not really bothered by different herbivore species going together, but with carnivores it is very annoying

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:37 PM

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i personally am

frosty heron May 5, 2021, 2:37 PM

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It also helps massively with toxicity in the game as we can see above

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:38 PM

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u wanna see shants trikes and stego together

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cuz i dont

frosty heron May 5, 2021, 2:38 PM

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No more loud caps spammers kids on global

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:38 PM

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the only thing i see maybe is a dryo or hypsi going with a large herbi for a bit

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even then it'll prolly leave to go get its food

frosty heron May 5, 2021, 2:39 PM

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Imagine a toxic Dilo mocking to you because global chat exist, while you're a Teno

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No thanks I don't want that

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:39 PM

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ah yes

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i hated when u would kill a juvi cuz ur starving and then theres global like "omG theY KILeD a JUvi

frosty heron May 5, 2021, 2:40 PM

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grave veldt i hated when u would kill a juvi cuz ur starving and then theres global like "om...

Those moments I really hate from Legacy unofficials

wheat field May 5, 2021, 2:40 PM

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I had people in my group that would do that for me complain that i killed a juvi i mean

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:40 PM

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u shoulda seen the furry rp in ID from legacy global

frosty heron May 5, 2021, 2:40 PM

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As well as Update 2 Evrima

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:40 PM

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like i will kill juvis of other dinos that r threats

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whether im a herbivore or not

wheat field May 5, 2021, 2:42 PM

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I killed dinos cause 1 they are not my friends and are competing for food and 2 cause they can kill me at any moment so why should i give them the chance of doing so

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:42 PM

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why give mercy to something that'll just grow up n try to get u later

wheat field May 5, 2021, 2:42 PM

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Exactly

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:42 PM

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a trike is gonna see a baby rex and murder it so it doesnt have to bother with it when it grows

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all animals do this today

wheat field May 5, 2021, 2:43 PM

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Zebras do it and so do crocodiles and almost every animal in the animal kingdom

cedar remnant May 5, 2021, 2:43 PM

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seems like a common sense thing to me; herbivores vs carnivores, carnivores vs other carnivores, except for members of the same species and other herbs I don't see any reason to make exceptions to that

wheat field May 5, 2021, 2:44 PM

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Zebras slaughter opposing zebra young

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:44 PM

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rhinos r probably the worse tbh

wheat field May 5, 2021, 2:44 PM

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Herbi vs Herbi crime needs to be a thing XD

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:44 PM

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their eye sight is terrible so anything they think is threat they charge lol

wheat field May 5, 2021, 2:44 PM

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grave veldt rhinos r probably the worse tbh

But their just blind as shit

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:44 PM

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grave veldt their eye sight is terrible so anything they think is threat they charge lol

TI_TheEndIsNigh

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well actually

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with diets herbi vs herbi might be a thing on day

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certain dinos might have one plant in common so who knows

wheat field May 5, 2021, 2:45 PM

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The Isle has always been Carnivores vs The World so I hope herbis get some hate now aswell

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Need some stego population control

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:46 PM

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well just gotta wait till bigger stuff comes

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so stego has actual threat threats

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although it looks like stego is gonna be the "apex" technically for awhile

wheat field May 5, 2021, 2:47 PM

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I just wanna play cera and kill other ceras and shit on carnos 😭

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Cera Gangs are cool change my mind

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:47 PM

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i hope carnos have to utilize their charge for cera

wheat field May 5, 2021, 2:47 PM

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People talking bout nerfing ceras ass to 1.3tons

frosty heron May 5, 2021, 2:48 PM

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Think Cera it gonna be 1050 kg, or I'm wrong?

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:48 PM

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cera just got new source material making it

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pretty beefy actually

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its quite large now honestly

frosty heron May 5, 2021, 2:49 PM

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Oh nice 1600 kg

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:49 PM

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ye same as teno

frosty heron May 5, 2021, 2:49 PM

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Chonky

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:49 PM

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indeed

frosty heron May 5, 2021, 2:49 PM

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Kinda like honestly I like Cera as playable since Legacy

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:49 PM

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ive always liked cera

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i just wish they made it good lol

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same with pachy, pachy is cool too

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if only it was good

frosty heron May 5, 2021, 2:50 PM

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I wish Pachy now has a interesting gameplay because Legacy Pachy was food / troll Dino

wheat field May 5, 2021, 2:50 PM

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@meager timber great suggestion now back it up

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:50 PM

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nice suggestion

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i loved the part where u explained why

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lol

wheat field May 5, 2021, 2:51 PM

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Carno does need more stam but you can’t just say that and expect people to follow

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:51 PM

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frosty heron I wish Pachy now has a interesting gameplay because Legacy Pachy was food / trol...

well idk if this anything to go off of but clearly the devs want it to be good too

meager timber May 5, 2021, 2:52 PM

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wheat field <@465134563987947522> great suggestion now back it up

no, thanks

wheat field May 5, 2021, 2:52 PM

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meager timber no, thanks

Ok then leave 🤔

meager timber May 5, 2021, 2:52 PM

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wheat field Ok then leave 🤔

leave what lol

wheat field May 5, 2021, 2:52 PM

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Leave feedback since you can’t follow the basics

meager timber May 5, 2021, 2:53 PM

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i just want carno stam buff lol

frosty heron May 5, 2021, 2:53 PM

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grave veldt well idk if this anything to go off of but clearly the devs want it to be good t...

Yeah I saw that, seems good for the Pachy, not the Dino I'm most hyped for but who knows they might make it fun this time

sonic flame May 5, 2021, 2:53 PM

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okay cool, but why does it need one?

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:53 PM

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meager timber i just want carno stam buff lol

ok but why?

dim radish May 5, 2021, 2:53 PM

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meager timber i just want carno stam buff lol

Explain then

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:54 PM

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frosty heron Yeah I saw that, seems good for the Pachy, not the Dino I'm most hyped for but w...

indeed, not the biggest hype for me but it'll be a nice rival to utah

dim radish May 5, 2021, 2:54 PM

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You know the devs don't take suggestions and feedback à la buff that, nerf this, add those

sonic flame May 5, 2021, 2:54 PM

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If you want any chance of your feedback coming to fruition, you should probably at least give a reason why the change you want should happen

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Cause imo, Carno doesn't need a stam buff because it is easily capable of killing what it needs to with its current stamina, and it regens stupidly fast

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:55 PM

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not to mention it'll be the fastest dino on land to ever be added into the isle

frosty heron May 5, 2021, 2:56 PM

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Instead of buffing it, I would rework it to have good stamina pool for long runs but make it stupidly slow to regen

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Similar to legacy Carno

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Maybe not now with the current roster but in a future

wheat field May 5, 2021, 2:57 PM

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I liked legacy carno stam and stam regen

sonic flame May 5, 2021, 2:58 PM

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Carno is a cheetah tho, so sprinting a short distance really fast kinda makes more sense to me than being a marathon runner

meager timber May 5, 2021, 2:58 PM

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dim radish Explain then

i wrote lol, his stamina just wasting too fast

sonic flame May 5, 2021, 2:58 PM

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if you are fast, and you can run forever, then nothing can escape

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which then means that things have to be able to fight you, or run for even longer/faster

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:59 PM

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personally i would like a carno that has short stam but high regen

sonic flame May 5, 2021, 2:59 PM

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then we end up with a Gallimimus that runs for like 10 minutes, and a weak Carno, because that Carno is easily able to catch everything it wants

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 2:59 PM

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^

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in the end this carno will be better for balance

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so small things can actually escape

sonic flame May 5, 2021, 3:00 PM

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stam regen atm is a little fast for my liking

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 3:00 PM

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i havent touched carno in awhile

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so i would have no idea

frosty heron May 5, 2021, 3:01 PM

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I still have to test how much it's Stam last

sonic flame May 5, 2021, 3:01 PM

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You can run for like, a minute ish

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not all that long, which is pretty nice compared to update 2 carno which ran for longer than Utah

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 3:02 PM

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guess theres only one way to find out

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ight im gonna test it out rn to see the timings

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ok so to my tests the running time is

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1 min and 30 seconds

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the stam regen is 50 seconds

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to my tests

wheat field May 5, 2021, 3:14 PM

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Only 1:30min???

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 3:15 PM

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yes

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1 minute and 30 seconds

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and 50 seconds for stam regen

wheat field May 5, 2021, 3:15 PM

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That’s really quick

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 3:15 PM

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indeed

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its basically a cheetah

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constantly on the move and cant run fast for long

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but regens stam fast

wheat field May 5, 2021, 3:16 PM

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slower stam regen up the stam pool

sonic flame May 5, 2021, 3:18 PM

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does it need to be able to sprint longer to catch things?

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 3:18 PM

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i personally like this carno

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it is whats its supposed to be imo

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something going this fast shouldnt be able to sprint for long anyways especially its size

wheat field May 5, 2021, 3:18 PM

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Im just wondering how its gonna do against endurance hinters

sonic flame May 5, 2021, 3:19 PM

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With a short sprint time you actually have to get in range of things if you want to kill them, if you had more stamina it would just be "Oh a teno on the other size of my render distance, they have to fight me now because they physically cannot escape"

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 3:19 PM

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wheat field Im just wondering how its gonna do against endurance hinters

thats where the 50 second stam regen comes in

sonic flame May 5, 2021, 3:19 PM

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Ideally you could use your speed to break line of sight and then slip away

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 3:19 PM

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use ur speed run away

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regen

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keep going

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something 1800 kg going this fast shouldn't be able to sprint for long imo

frosty heron May 5, 2021, 4:07 PM

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Had you tested trotting regen?

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 4:18 PM

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no

hollow canyon May 5, 2021, 6:30 PM

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I think having a lower stamina pool and a fast regen is a far better solution than making it have a high stamina pool and low regen. The second one plays into the afk gameplay which is probably the biggest issue with The Isle and it doesn't actually solve any issues that exist with having a relatively powerful animal that's also the fastest runner in the game. The animals that can't fight back against Carno won't be able to escape it because it will have a lot of stam making it rather easy for it to run them down. Sure it will then have to sit forever to regenerate it but the prey is already dead so who cares? Carno is ok the way it is right now, the issues with it are that small Carnos are rather easy to kill atm and due to AI Dryos being... almost absent on the map when compared to the fish AI you have an issue with Carnos getting killed rather easily while they scavenge due to having a lower running time than a lot of adult animals. At least I've been killing the small Carnos a bit too easily to the point where it felt rather unfair.

wispy valley May 5, 2021, 8:18 PM

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grave veldt its quite large now honestly

I thought Cera was gonna be smol

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I wish I had gotten more feedback on my grabbing revamp suggestion

stark knoll May 5, 2021, 8:19 PM

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wispy valley I thought Cera was gonna be smol

theres been new findings that put cera in the 1.5-1.6T range, though we dont know if those will be used in-game

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 8:36 PM

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wispy valley I thought Cera was gonna be smol

TI_DeinoMischief

spare badger May 5, 2021, 8:40 PM

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Super excited for Kentrosaurus

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 8:40 PM

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cera is actually a decent big size

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oh ye kentro

spare badger May 5, 2021, 8:41 PM

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Cera vs kentro?

hallow spire May 5, 2021, 8:41 PM

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@dark current I get what ur saying about the deino and stego but deino shouldn’t get a extra bite force it’s a ambush predator meant for grabbing and drowning things other than that im fine with stegos tail nerf since it basically kills almost anything with it

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 8:41 PM

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cera vs kentro??

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kentro if it plays defensive is gonna win

dark current May 5, 2021, 8:42 PM

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hallow spire <@320656059217739786> I get what ur saying about the deino and stego but deino s...

A simple fix to this would be allowing Deino to lunge and grab the Stego with an increased Stamina drain.

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 8:42 PM

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mini version of rex vs stego imo

hallow spire May 5, 2021, 8:42 PM

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dark current A simple fix to this would be allowing Deino to lunge and grab the Stego with an...

I can also agree with that

spare badger May 5, 2021, 8:42 PM

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What attacks would a kentro have? A shoulder jab maybe?

dark current May 5, 2021, 8:42 PM

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Deino is supposed to intimidate a Trex... but rn can't even do so to a freaking Stego

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 8:42 PM

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spare badger What attacks would a kentro have? A shoulder jab maybe?

shoulder jab, obviously some kind of tail swing

spare badger May 5, 2021, 8:43 PM

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What would ceras special attack be?

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 8:43 PM

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no idea

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maybe some kind of multiplier dmg thing for its bite

spare badger May 5, 2021, 8:43 PM

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Hmmm
A headbutt
Maybe a tackle?

hallow spire May 5, 2021, 8:43 PM

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😂yea stegos probably would hurt a Rex a lot but the red might kill it

hallow spire May 5, 2021, 8:43 PM

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spare badger What would ceras special attack be?

I think just eating rotten gore it might get something else tho

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 8:44 PM

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personally i feel like rexes shouldnt be able to face tank literall spikes

spare badger May 5, 2021, 8:44 PM

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No

hallow spire May 5, 2021, 8:44 PM

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Agreed

spare badger May 5, 2021, 8:44 PM

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Headshot multiplier

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 8:44 PM

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i have no issue with rex winning but not by face tanking

spare badger May 5, 2021, 8:44 PM

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That's a lotta damage

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 8:44 PM

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it just looks silly

spare badger May 5, 2021, 8:44 PM

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Same

hallow spire May 5, 2021, 8:44 PM

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spare badger Headshot multiplier

Good idea

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 8:44 PM

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and yes plus multiplier on head

spare badger May 5, 2021, 8:44 PM

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They are already doing that

hallow spire May 5, 2021, 8:44 PM

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I think in the concept art it bit something’s head off so that would be cool to put it to use

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 8:45 PM

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id rather have stego just be given the same growth as rex cuz i rly dont wanna see a rex face tanking spikes lol

hallow spire May 5, 2021, 8:46 PM

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Yea

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 8:46 PM

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also infinity they removed pounce until ur 100% becuz of bugs

spare badger May 5, 2021, 8:46 PM

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It'll be lower but rex is pretty slow

hallow spire May 5, 2021, 8:46 PM

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Ohhh ok

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 8:46 PM

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it may or may not come back later un known

spare badger May 5, 2021, 8:46 PM

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Steg could outstam it prob

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Cause rex should be super slow imo

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 8:47 PM

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ik rex isnt the fastest thing ever but going by its animations its fast

dark current May 5, 2021, 8:47 PM

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Rex's could short burst charge

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according to studies

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 8:47 PM

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ye just make it an ambush

dark current May 5, 2021, 8:47 PM

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their massive legs prove that

spare badger May 5, 2021, 8:47 PM

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Yea

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 8:47 PM

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well they would have to do that anyways they cant chase prey gotta ambush it

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ambushing is quite good in evrima actually

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cuz of all the foliage

spare badger May 5, 2021, 8:48 PM

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It would walk really slow

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 8:48 PM

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it works

hallow spire May 5, 2021, 8:48 PM

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Legacy rex ambush used to scare me to death lol

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 8:48 PM

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walk is basically just for letting little ones keep up with u

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also in the animations they were working on trot for rex was fast

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like quite fast for a trot

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wonder if they'll change it

hallow spire May 5, 2021, 8:49 PM

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I gotta check it again I forgot how it looks

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 8:49 PM

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lemme pull it up rq

hallow spire May 5, 2021, 8:49 PM

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Thx

frosty heron May 5, 2021, 8:49 PM

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If Rex is gonna be like I want to be, a fucking pain to grow, it should win a 1vs1 against a Stego

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Otherwise we can discuss other solutions

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Not by facetanking but neither a 50/50 for both animals

spare badger May 5, 2021, 8:50 PM

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Stegos should live in plains and not in a forest so rex shouldnt sneak up on it

frosty heron May 5, 2021, 8:50 PM

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Always considering Rex grow it gonna be Long & Hard

sinful cove May 5, 2021, 8:51 PM

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Either way if rex is faster than stego and controls the confrontation it shouldn’t also have a higher advantage in the melee

frosty heron May 5, 2021, 8:52 PM

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It should if it manages to get Stego front parts, specially head

grave veldt May 5, 2021, 8:52 PM

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cant find the animations

rich fractal May 5, 2021, 8:52 PM

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stego cant move and attack at the same time its a turret