smart hypsi
#balance-feedback-discussion
mighty knot
silver elbow
so other than fish there isnt too much else to hunt. and if the damage is being nerfed aswell. you cant really hunt small game either
golden coral
You're Ptera, you're not meant to hunt. The fact that you can, is a bit of an issue. If the controls are a "hinderance" that's in a way good. But we can trade the control for damage and it'll be fine too.
You're a living spectator cam, that's your gameplay.
If that's not good, then Ptera is not for you.
mighty knot
100% agreed
golden coral
Just like deino have a very niche playstyle.
mighty knot
I mean what
golden coral
Ptera is not the hunter from the air, that's for bigger fliers that'll come down the line.
mighty knot
Ptera is not the hunter from the air, that's for bigger fliers that'll come down...
Quetz foreshadowing
god I'm gonna love playing quetz
impaling sub carnos from 2 meters of neck up
in the air
silver elbow
thats fine. but until theres bigger fliers in the game. taking away that from the ptera will make it a spectator cam. . i thought whole point of all the balancing of the dinos was to make them all viable
mighty knot
ptera is viable
silver elbow
but then again. i only joined now during the stress test. ive never played any dino game previously
mighty knot
the same way dryo is viable
your not really supposed to be 1v1ing things to win and live
your supposed to be running to win and survive
ptera is flying dryo
that eats fish
change my mind
golden coral
@mighty knot I like the idea of nocturnal quetz hunter... You're a small juvie/small critter scavenging under the cover of night, and just suddenly there's this huge quetz just standing there. Give it owl (silent flight) ability to make it terrifying!
golden coral
thats fine. but until theres bigger fliers in the game. taking away that from th...
They are all viable. Viable means survivable, not capable of hunting and killing.
mighty knot
I saw a suggestion about the stance of quetz and god it sounds awesome
golden coral
And Ptera is spectator cam, more or less.
mighty knot
it should basically be hunched over all the time
until it's threatened
then it stands up and shows it's true height
that would be so terrifying
middle of a moonlit night, your walking around as a sub carno, you hear some wind behind you, you turn around, and this monster is walking up to you, you start running and it gets 3 meters taller, takes off, and chases you
silver elbow
my bad then, ive only seen one dryo in 100+ hours of playing. so if nobodys playign it. is it all tha viable ( i do realize that came off sounding bad. not the intention)
mighty knot
my bad then, ive only seen one dryo in 100+ hours of playing. so if nobodys play...
The worst part is that it was probably AI lmao
golden coral
my bad then, ive only seen one dryo in 100+ hours of playing. so if nobodys play...
People don't play dryo cause it's no fun, because right now the only thing to do is to kill stuff. So you're not entirely wrong, but it's more an issue of the game than the playables. Ptera will probably also be more fun when there's more to do than just fly around and eat fish. But combat should not be much of a thing for Ptera. So maybe in the future you could get better control, but tradeoff the damage, and still have fun because there'll be other things to do as well!
silver elbow
in my head. a viable balanced dino. would be something atleast a portion of the player base is playing.
ah ok yeah
mighty knot
People don't play dryo cause it's no fun, because right now the only thing to do...
Dryo isn't played because there's nothing to do. It will be able to burrow and make big colonies underground
soon tm
silver elbow
well if bigger flyers is coming. the ptera is good practice for when they come
mighty knot
ptera doesn't need a mechanic like that because it flies
that's fun enough for most people
like mario
yeah it can't fight but
golden coral
Let's not give dryo burrow :p
golden coral
Nocturnal dryo + enhanced senses for guard duty
golden coral
No, dryo should not burrow, it's too big for that anyway :p
If anything give ava burrow
silver elbow
tbh the ptera at the momen can fight pretty decently
mighty knot
if anything give dryo burrow
golden coral
Dryo squeaks and runs, not burrows. And ava is not strong, it's tiny and weak ^^
silver elbow
i get thats not the point of the bird
mighty knot
Dryo squeaks and runs, not burrows. And ava is not strong, it's tiny and weak ^^
stronger than dryo
grave veldt
once things like diets perks and elders r out it'll give the game something for u to do instead of running around killing things
mighty knot
once things like diets perks and elders r out it'll give the game something for ...
yes
golden coral
Well true, stronger than dryo, but slower, can't run, needs hiding more.
Dryo can run away!
mighty knot
nerf dryo speed
golden coral
Work on the dodge there instead
mighty knot
it's too fast right now anyway
golden coral
Yes, nerf speed, make better dodge
mighty knot
dryo should run by outmaneuvering it's opponent, not outrunning them.
grave veldt
i hope they give ava a good chance as a playable it has the opportunity to be unique
mighty knot
i hope they give ava a good chance as a playable it has the opportunity to be un...
unless they come up with something created not burrowing then it might be tough to make it interesting to play
kinda the same boat as like iquanodon or smth like that
where the challenge isn't balancing it
grave veldt
tru but they can give it special abilities
mighty knot
but making it fun to play
grave veldt
^
golden coral
dryo should run by outmaneuvering it's opponent, not outrunning them.
Yes!
sinful cove
@quasi flicker why nerf deino health?
lyric ice
iIm at that Point where i cant even trust juvie Deino when Iam Adult Deine. I have trust issues because of this game ....
mighty knot
who on god's green earth said to nerf deino health
grave veldt
deino has 6k hp whats the big deal?
sinful cove
Groot
mighty knot
mega yikers
grave veldt
surprised it doesnt have more actually
mighty knot
Cries in Deinosuchus in name only
sinful cove
He doesnt even supply a reason lmao
grave veldt
mighty knot
that's because there isn't one
grave veldt
oh well
sinful cove
Maybe he thought it took too long to bite one to death as a juvie utah lmao
mighty knot
#Deinosuchus26kBiteforce
grave veldt
actually not to be mean but ppl who just say nerf __ and give nothing as to y shouldnt even be considered feedback
sinful cove
There was a pinned message stating you shouldnt just put “buff/nerf x” without reason but it comes up a lot still
mighty knot
yeah
grave veldt
kind of tired of it honestly'
mighty knot
except it doesn't matter
if you say "buff deino" in any way
your screwed to eternal damnation
grave veldt
happy that i havent seen much of "give deino 5349859893459834 biteforce"
sinful cove
No dont jinx it now theres gonna be a hundred more “buff croc give rex bite”
grave veldt
No dont jinx it now theres gonna be a hundred more “buff croc give rex bite”
too late
mighty knot
Why does stego do more damage than Deino
sinful cove
Because deino can just swim away from things it cant fight, it needs bigger rivers not more damage
grave veldt
stego does big dmg as thats kinda the main thing
mighty knot
solves all problems
grave veldt
no that makes everything worse lol
frosty heron
"Nerf Utahs they kill stuff" it's been a topic on feedback recently aswell
sinful cove
Barely lol it gets rolled over by a few utahs unless the utahs have room temperature iq
mighty knot
now that's not good balancing is it
something needs to change about either utah or stego
grave veldt
stego rly needs an AOE swipe
mighty knot
^^^
grave veldt
especially while its moving
mighty knot
does less damage but can knock small things over
sinful cove
Deino needs bigger water, stego needs aoe
mighty knot
carno sized things need to get stunned a little and knocked back a little
utah sized things get knocked clean over
by stego aoe
THAT
grave veldt
if rivers were wider and deeper there would be 0 issues
mighty knot
would solve lots of problems
but it wouldnt do much damage
save the poke for damage
and please remove the side poke
it's literally light speed I hate it so much
sinful cove
I mean theyre still getting hit with bone swords it should deal more bleed less damage maybe
mighty knot
I mean theyre still getting hit with bone swords it should deal more bleed less ...
Sweep I mean not stab
they get smacked by bone spike not impaled
grave veldt
less dmg same bleed same stam, able to use while in locomotion
mighty knot
Wait
sinful cove
Or not much damage, but big bleed and a knockdown for lightweight animals
grave veldt
theres locational dmg so
mighty knot
like stego or deino headshot should hurt BAD
but the actual damage number should be lower
more crit hits for damage
less mid tail hits
grave veldt
well currently ppl keep saying "stego OP" w/o realizing the fact that locational dmg exists
sinful cove
Stego doesnt even oneshot carno, a small game hunter, and people call it OP 
mighty knot
It weighs less than deino and kills it in less hits
grave veldt
sure deino kills stego in around 9 bites to the body while stego is five but deino can kill the stego in 4 head shots
weight doesnt rly matter tbh
frosty heron
People who says its OP are Deinos trying to facetank it
frosty heron
So, invalid argument
grave veldt
hopefully i didnt just jinx it
mighty knot
is location subration or division based
golden coral
People who says its OP are Deinos trying to facetank it
Not just "facetank" it, they're facetanking the tail end. So it's their weak spot vs it's strong spot damage wise :p
mighty knot
That's stegos strongest ability
golden coral
And then they wonder why that doesn't go well for them..
If they actually facetanked the stego, they'd win pretty easily :p
grave veldt
side poke being faster i like becuz it gives stego some type of skill to play
grave veldt
same way other way around
mighty knot
it might maybe have to respect the water just a little bit
frosty heron
Not just "facetank" it, they're facetanking the tail end. So it's their weak spo...
Yeah like you're going for the worst spot to deal damage and you saying it's OP while you're taking those thagomizers right in your Croc eyes
mighty knot
screw it
just add tug of war
and ill be happy
right now stego's don't even have to respect the water at all
not even a little
and it's sad
golden coral
if a stego is smart it will never die to deino
It depends, if you do buff the damage stego will die in like 3 shots to the face, and alt bite is very fast. Lunge the face + alt bite and you'd probably win. At least if hitboxes are fixed.
mighty knot
but hey, it screws over Deino players so it's totally fine
grave veldt
i still think deinos need to figure out how to play better
u can literally end the stego in 4 head shots
mighty knot
wouldn't the neck be better
also how tf you want me to aim at theneck or head
on that thing
frosty heron
In shores Deinos can shorta do fast attack/retreat with the lunge but I didn't tested if that does full bite damage
grave veldt
^
grave veldt
u can basically bait a stego to swing then have another deino quickly lunge bite the stegos head and run in the water
mighty knot
even if deino hits headshots tho
legit I tested it, 1v1 out of the water
deino gets surprise attack
lunge cancels into an alt bite
and then uses a trick that lets you bite twice a second
and runs around to hit head all the time
if the stego just looks sideways and spams fast attack on deino body
it still wins
grave veldt
no shit u lost on land
frosty heron
that's because the side jabs have away more dps than front attacks
mighty knot
my point is, it doesn't have to care about Deinos anytime
frosty heron
Just because the speed
mighty knot
not even at the water
stego could take a damn drink and still win a fight with a deino that it didn't know was there
grave veldt
but whats the issue with it if the deino can just swim away?
frosty heron
Deino isn't fast enought to get out of there on time so it's kinda hard to do it, but 2 Deinos can take on a Stego
frosty heron
Yeah 1v1 isn't doable I'm pretty sure
grave veldt
a 1v1 stego should win in general deino is a very niche animal
grave veldt
i mean an adult deino can drown the entire roster rn except stego
mighty knot
yeah
frosty heron
Nothing respects them but pack of Utahs can't kill a Deino on land...
Experienced by myself
mighty knot
utahs can do better
alt bite is slow enough
2 utahs can win
sure it turns and bites fast but if there's a utah waiting on the other side
ez bite and get out
screw it, 2 carnos can win
frosty heron
Nah they can't, fucking Deino tanked 4 full pounces and uncountable amount of bites and he went back to water pretty hurt, but alive
mighty knot
pounce does bleed
that's the thing that deino hard counters
you shouldn't use pounce on deino
grave veldt
ye dont pounce a deino it has bleed resistance
frosty heron
Yeah but Utah attacks on Deinos do 3% dmg each
You use pounce to do raw damage actually
mighty knot
no
they changed it on release of the update
it does way less damage
and lots more bleed
grave veldt
no u use pounce for bleed it doesnt do much dmg now sure it does dmg but it works better if the target is already low
frosty heron
it does way less damage
Still does more than just going in for bites, tested by myself
Going for bites its way more risky if the Deino uses alt - bite
mighty knot
I think land Deino kinda hard counters utah anyway
it's main weapon is bleed oriented
and it can turn fast to stop tail riding
grave veldt
i rly dont see the main issue tho?
mighty knot
yeah.. utahs shouldn't be able to hurt a deino
grave veldt
r u tryna say deino has too much hp or?
mighty knot
utah sure as hell does enough damage
frosty heron
I'm saying Deino on land doesn't has to worry about Utahs
mighty knot
yeah that's cool
golden coral
@frosty heron Alt bite damage on utah still not as good as pounce then?
mighty knot
ive seen countless adults killed by utahs
it always happens
most deinos don't even know the alt bite
seriously
frosty heron
<@!435451875387506690> Alt bite damage on utah still not as good as pounce then?
Landed good 10 alt bites on that Deino and he seemed fine tanking them :D
grave veldt
even with alt bite 2-3 utahs have a chance
frosty heron
So no, Alt bite won't work
mighty knot
Landed good 10 alt bites on that Deino and he seemed fine tanking them :D
it weighs 8 times more than you
grave veldt
deino has 6000 hp its not an easy target
mighty knot
it would be stupid if it DIDN'T have a just fine time tanking those hits
frosty heron
it weighs 8 times more than you
After taking 30 normal bites, he was already hurt
grave veldt
where u bite matters
hollow canyon
Deino's just fine. I've played it for the first time and easily piled up bodies in the area where I was growing.
golden coral
Landed good 10 alt bites on that Deino and he seemed fine tanking them :D
Alright. Do you know the difference between normal and alt, if you tested on another utah or so?
frosty heron
Idk the server I was playing on had Deino overpopulation and they were coming out of water like nothing happens, and feels bad Utahs can't do shit xD
mighty knot
everyone knows not to drink anywhere but the shallow river
hollow canyon
I've played it for ~3 hours? And I've caught like 4 things with the lunge
frosty heron
Alright. Do you know the difference between normal and alt, if you tested on ano...
Not really, needs to be tested first
mighty knot
I've played it for ~3 hours? And I've caught like 4 things with the lunge
nothing ever shows up
I've been everywhere
of course
I dare not cross the shallow river
and explore the other half of the map from where I spawned
grave veldt
nothing showing up is mainly not the games fault but just something we gotta deal with
mighty knot
since should I see a stego I'm as good as dead
hollow canyon
One was a Carno in a group of 3 that were trying to displace me from my bodypile. I was fighting them for some 5 minutes before one made a mistake and I just lunged it and brought it into the water with its friends just watching me as I killed it.
mighty knot
if a carno gets hit on LAND with the land lunge it deserves the death sentence
frosty heron
nothing showing up is mainly not the games fault but just something we gotta dea...
I decided to grow a Stego after I died so
mighty knot
the range on that thing is so short and you can't use it after turning
golden coral
Not really, needs to be tested first
Well get to it! :p
mighty knot
natural selection if you ask me
the same damn natural selection that should happen to the utah I just headshot
that
hollow canyon
They probably didn't expect me to lunge them at all seeing as I was just using the bites for 5 minutes straight
golden coral
@hollow canyon Well done!
frosty heron
But I'm not saying it's an issue, just proving Deino vs Utah the Deino is the boss. Even on land, I mean the Deino has to be very far from the water to actually die there
golden coral
I'd say you learned from me but I know you know better on your own :p
hollow canyon
Also - lunge stuns the targets that are too big to be grappled
grave veldt
I decided to grow a Stego after I died so
its pretty fun, when things actually fight u and dont run away
mighty knot
Also - lunge stuns the targets that are too big to be grappled
it doesn't stop you from moving, but it stops you from following up with a bite
so it's useless on things in your own weight class anyway
of course people think carno should hunt deino
even though it's meant to hunt low tiers
so screw it, deino is meant to hunt things 3 times bigger too
hollow canyon
Well... what else is there that you'd want to hunt Deino? Stego?
mighty knot
I'm kidding but fr tho
hollow canyon
Nothing can reliably hunt Deino anyways
hollow canyon
Only Deinos are a threat to Deinos atm
frosty heron
Also - lunge stuns the targets that are too big to be grappled
I've seen that Stun, but I'm not sure if it's a bug or something, people can still attack during that animation
grave veldt
carno is mainly hunting stego and deino at the time being becuz what else is there to kill them
hollow canyon
@frosty heron I couldn't when I got lunged by a tiny croc as a sub Carno.
I was genuinely flabbergasted as to what was happening
grave veldt
I've seen that Stun, but I'm not sure if it's a bug or something, people can sti...
i think its bugged sometimes i can attack but others not
hollow canyon
Thought I got dc or something
mighty knot
lmao
frosty heron
<@!435451875387506690> I couldn't when I got lunged by a tiny croc as a sub Carn...
Weird. I've seen a stunned Stego swinging like nothing happened while the animation was playing
mighty knot
that reminds me
grave veldt
yea same but on the other side i also have been a stego and got stunned
mighty knot
I was playing carno and had some little deinos fight me
grave veldt
its probably a bug
frosty heron
carno is mainly hunting stego and deino at the time being becuz what else is the...
Utahs :D
mighty knot
solo utah should be useless at fighting anything that isn't dryo or smaller
grave veldt
it is basically
mighty knot
it can kill stego solo XD
mighty knot
I guess you could chees it and spam sideways hit
frosty heron
I've killed 2 Carnos with a pack of 4-5 Utahs, they die pretty quick to bleed if they get pounced and they start to run
grave veldt
like a stego near a tree is almost impossible to kill as a solo utah
mighty knot
it looks stupid the speed that it goes back to idle
frosty heron
There's a spot on pocket pond where Stego can stay and be literally unkillable xD
grave veldt
i like that the side jab is faster it encourages stego to have some skill in playing it by telling the player to angle themselves in a specific direction
instead of just click button and stab
mighty knot
there's enough skill without it
learning the angles and stab types
since it's not the same stab for every angle at a different angle
they are all different
but the DPS of the sideways one
grave veldt
yes it makes it somewhat interesting
mighty knot
if you spam sideways hit, you 100% garunteed to kill any utah that happens to pounce you
sure it can get in
but if it tries to drop off at ANY time
it's dead
frosty heron
Good Stegos will wait for Utahs to dismount and hit them while they're in the air
ripe zinc
it can kill stego solo XD
takes forever though, you need to take breaks to eat and drink before you can finish it.
frosty heron
If you're lucky with the angle you can kill one
mighty knot
takes forever though, you need to take breaks to eat and drink before you can fi...
The problem is that there's nothing the stego can do about it
and that it's ONE utah
a full pack is material to take stego and deino
grave veldt
i havent ever been killed by a solo utah
mighty knot
anything less of a full pack should be hunting midtiers
grave veldt
i think ur giving too much merit to utahs
mighty knot
I mean good ones
grave veldt
sure its pounce is pretty strong maybe too strong but it can be dealt with
frosty heron
I've never seen 1v1 even on video
mighty knot
I haven't done it since the update
but I've seen it during testing before
repeated over and over
grave veldt
I've never seen 1v1 even on video
sadly there was video of it in the video and stream channel
but again good stegos will not die to one utah
frosty heron
Utah vs Stego?
mighty knot
but again good stegos will not die to one utah
yeah
ripe zinc
The problem is that there's nothing the stego can do about it
the utah has to fight flawlessly for a long time though, the stego only needs to hit once or twice.
frosty heron
Ive seen Carno vs Stego 1v1 where the Carno loses
mighty knot
carno can't win a 1v1 with stego right now
100% impossible
not a stego that isn't dumb
frosty heron
The Carno did well tho, he fought for solid 10 mins, and Stego wasn't bad neither
But of course he died to mistakes/failed baits
frosty heron
Dumb Carno will get tail slammed to death
mighty knot
we fight a lot
it's always fun
carno gets hella punished for mistakes
but as the predator, with more growth time, and a harder life
frosty heron
And good Carno will punish Teno for chasing it
mighty knot
it technically wins
mighty knot
yeah
grave veldt
ptera is also very balanced as fisher and glider
gad they didnt give it the BoB treatment
mighty knot
Every dino in a nutshell
Hypsi : Food source
Dryo : Only fun when your in danger
Ptera : Balanced
Teno : Balanced
Carno : Balanced
lament cloak
not even, hypsi isn't worth enough food to be considered a food source
mighty knot
fair enough
grave veldt
deino and ptera in general have been sum of the best dinos added balanced wise
deino could use sum help tho with rivers
mighty knot
Deino is just Legacy Hitboxes 2.0
mighty knot
you get hit from something biting 2 meters beside you and you can't hit in your mouth
mighty knot
feels bad man
grave veldt
hopefully it gets fixed
if things actually landed it would be a great addition to the roster
mighty knot
I wonder if they are gonna keep deino at the top of the food chain as we go on
buff it has it's prefered prey are added
or just shun it to midtier
and call it "Deinosuchus"
grave veldt
if u wanna be at the top of the food chain the biggest carni u would play as is spino
mighty knot
save myself some explaining
frosty heron
Every dino in a nutshell
I've seen Dryo more as a food source xD
mighty knot
unthankfully that suggestion was shunned into a pile of "add global chat back for unofficial servers" and ignored
frosty heron
Maybe because Dryo AI on U2
mighty knot
between "add global chat back for unofficial servers" suggestion 1248 and "add global chat back for unofficial servers" 1249
grave veldt
dryo is god tier in terms of survivability
is it fu tho? no
its quite boring actually
mighty knot
only fun when your in danger
except they buffed the speed
so your no longer in danger
grave veldt
i wish they didnt "band-aid" dryo and actually put some thought into its dodge
instead of heres a speed boost hur dur
mighty knot
yeah
azure hinge
rich fractal
looks like a perfect (not a water T-rex) to me 
rapid bison
hollow canyon
Locational in action
rich fractal
what location tho the whole thing fits in its mouth
alpine plover
realism 
hollow canyon
@rich fractal I think I've said it before in Isle-discussion but basically - the whole locational damage system has its issues. The game seems to treat the first thing you make contact with during your attack as the locational area that gets hit - meaning that if a Stego runs its thagomizer throughout the entirety of Utah's body but the first bodypart that gets hit is the tail then the Utahraptor receives only as much damage as it would if just its tail got hit. This is a really big issue imo and it has been pretty much since Evrima got released. Idk whether it would take a lot of work to fix this but it will definitely have to be fixed at some point.
hollow canyon
Depends on how you define "op". They have either the second best or the best survivability out of all the carnivores and can instakill the majority of the roster. They are also kind of stupidly easy to grow for their firepower with only larger Deinos really being a threat to them while they are growing.
sinful cove
They are also confined to deep water in order to carry out their killing ability
Anybody can get away on land
Even juvies can tank a hit
Deino is fine
hollow canyon
Well... they do rely on their opponent either being willing to fight them on land or getting close enough to the water but they definitely do very well against the entire rest of the roster.
sinful cove
Yeah seems balanced to me
hollow canyon
I still haven't had issues piling up bodies more so than I did with any other animal in the game while playing Deino for the first time.
sinful cove
People actively seek out fights with deinos and don't know when to back off when they mess up
hollow canyon
To a certain extent yea but some of them I've killed by baiting them to my pile of bodies while hiding in the bushes
I then either lunged them or killed them with the bite depending on what they were
sinful cove
Seems like a fair hunting strat honestly
hollow canyon
I don't remember killing that many people with anything in my whole time in Evrima as I did during a ~3h session as Deinosuchus
sinful cove
It can't actively chase people down unless its like a slow ass juvie herb who would lose basically no progress and the populations of land predators is still booming, so it is pretty balanced imo
hollow canyon
That coupled with the fact that whenever I felt like I could be seriously hurt I could just retreat back to water when none of the terrestrial animals posed any threat to me makes me think that Deino is good. I probably wouldn't be in favour of a straight up nerf but more so a rework of how this animal actually works.
sinful cove
Neither are op
hollow canyon
Nah, Stego is far more killable by other things
hollow canyon
I don't think it's necessarily "op" but it's definitely far better than Stego in the current game
grave veldt
not to mention its literally a snail on land
hollow canyon
Why would you let a Stego even attack you?
grave veldt
if were speaking survivability
sinful cove
Deino has shite land stam and juvie utahs can run away from a deino trying to catch it even after being hit
hollow canyon
I've seen one or two that were trying to charge me and I just got back into water
grave veldt
then deino is amazing survival wise
rich fractal
stegos trap them in shallow areas
grave veldt
their fault for being in shallow areas
hollow canyon
Well good thing I didn't go to a single shallow area then
grave veldt
why would they go there in the first place
if u know its shallow ur taking a risk as a deino
hollow canyon
But you know - I did that specifically because I knew I could end up being stuck
sinful cove
Deino doesn't need a nerf or a buff (in the foreseeable future) it needs bigger rivers that's it
grave veldt
it needs better things to make it the water apex atm
hopefully when the new water comes we'll have better rivers
rich fractal
just want animals that weigh 2 tons less to not want to fight it for fun
sinful cove
Give deino more and better water sources and it will have no excuse to get kebabed by a stego
grave veldt
^
trail cedar
So my personal feedback- can the pteranodon have a slightly larger range for grabbing fish? It seems like there are times where you are on the circles and dont get a fish
lean shoal
deino needs its hitboxes fixed.
trail cedar
And also I wouldnt mind a few more "ponds", it seems to me that once all the server/herd mechanics are in most of the herd stuff will be near one of the rivers and gives no real incentive to push away
hollow canyon
I agree - all the water absolutely shouldn't be interconnected
sinful cove
Some lakes would be nice too i miss titan
rich fractal
i was talking about water in general feedback discussion
sinful cove
They should add a new titan with a pue skeleton in it
hollow canyon
Also - I don't think Deino needs anything as it is. The animal is perfectly fine and it's closer to being too good rather than too bad.
rich fractal
ill try it more later. way too many right now
trail cedar
I think the deino is perfect where its at, which is basically apex tier (bar steggo), and once broken bones are in if it is applied to the deino (and it should be) effectively very little will get away except maybe the stego
candid adder
being able to grab and drown a 100% growth carno is pretty good imo
grave veldt
being able to drown the entire roster except stego seems pretty good to me
its physics and hitboxes tho r so wack
rly need fixing
trail cedar
Utahs wont be though if deino gets legbreak. Chomp on a deino, get broken leg and bleed, aint getting away
rapid bison
No that's a utah, the part about me being a dryo was just to add on to how bad deino hitboxes are
sinful cove
Deino should definitely snap utah bones like chicken legs
grave veldt
that video just shows how broken deinos hitboxes r
utah is literally inside the deino lol
azure hinge
thats not a broken hitbox
thats locational dmg
its hitting but if u bite a certain hit on the tail it is reduced
i believe its registered as whatever the deinos hit detection collides with first, so all though its hit box is the entire head, its colliding with the tail first.
so it would probably require work on both ends or create exceptions based on size of a hit box of some sort
but the locational dmg can be abused if people are smart or just by accident. People can bite and turn and run risky but maybe some people have got it down to a science. This would turn anything into a tank, if the dino has good turning or if the player is smart and angles the direction at where they attack from so the other player will have an increased chance at hitting the tail in a hit and run scenario
wheat field
thats locational dmg
even if it was reduced dmg the amount of times the deino bit the utah, it should of died by then
azure hinge
@wheat field that is a utah right?
azure hinge
the edge of the tail multiplier im going off of what someone said the edge of the tail is 1/9th the dmg
i believe the guy that linked it said that wasnt full video but it does die in his video
hollow canyon
It's a fully grown Utah
Deino's biting it with the tail-tip locational registering as the body part that get's hit. That means Utah only takes ~10% of Deino's biteforce as damage.
Which checks out - Deino needed 21 bites to kill it iirc, each one dealing 50 damage to it
golden coral
Not even that, I think its 5% or so on the tip of the tail?
azure hinge
yeah so around 50 dmg or less per bite
wheat field
Kinda ludicrous if you ask me...
hollow canyon
5% would mean that Deino would need 40 bites
azure hinge
i heard it was 1/9th but guess that might not be right
full grown utah is what 1k health so yeah
golden coral
5% would mean that Deino would need 40 bites
I could be wrong. It's probably 10%, that does seem more reasonable. Though it certainly does not feel that way when you're a stego swinging at the utah ^^
azure hinge
ive wondered why some of the raptors or carnos that ive fought didnt die after 3 hits and this pretty much explained it
wheat field
I mean I feel like if a Cera bites a utah's "tail" but is biting half way through the body as well it should do more dmg but hey that's me
hollow canyon
Stego swinging at Utah with Utah tanking it that way very likely deals some ~130 dmg to Utah I think?
hollow canyon
Oh no, not in the current build of the game it doesn't get two shot if it tanks the hits with the tail. As for your earlier point - I personally think that there are two options to the current issue:
A/ If multiple locational areas get hit the highest locational area should be prioritised by the game and the hit should register there. E.g. If Stego hits a Utah going through its tail and body and reaching its head then the Utah should get headshot and die on the spot
B/ If multiple locational areas get hit the 1.0 multiplier of the body should get the priority over any other area. This would mean that you wouldn't be getting headshots if the hit just scraped by your head but it would still at the very least count as a bodyshot rather than letting people tank stuff by turning their tails on it.
Also do note that unlike what the initial message in balance-feedback says - this isn't an issue that's exclusive to Deinosuchus. Locational works like that for every animal. It's just more noticeable against the animals with the highest damage values.
rapid bison
that was a utah
and the part about me escaping as dryo was about me not being hit at all, not about me tanking a hit
hollow canyon
Yea idk what Fluff is talking about. The issue presented there isn't to do with Deino's biteforce. It's simply locational damage skewing the game in a really weird direction due to how it's implemented. It needs certain fixes. I might post them in general feedback later on, if no one else does.
wispy valley
I don't understand why two Deinos can't team-grab a stego.
sinful cove
Didnt the devs say something about how team grabbing would be a bitch to do
Like pouncing is one thing but carrying/pulling something in teams is a hassle
golden coral
I don't understand why two Deinos can't team-grab a stego.
Issues with making it work in game yes. Probably simply too difficult to implement or would cause too many issues in the game.
dim radish
Not an expert Here but can't one of the crocs (Yes I know it's a gator thank you) grab and the other one just bites?
Even if not, there will be other prey, of course hunting an Apex/semi apex is gonna be hard for a Deino to pull off
coral rock
I don't understand why two Deinos can't team-grab a stego.
answer: deinos are ambush carnivores, not fighters.
vestal gust
@proud swan Righto, as I found later and discussed with other people in this chat we figured out my teno was bugged. I was locked to a walking pace and was stuck in an almost falling anim between bucks. Came to the conclusion that I was bugged as after talking to the utah pack later they said that on there screen I was never bucking at all hence why they held on easily despite my screen displaying bucking. No need to get on your high horse mate
ripe zinc
Did it ever occur to the deinos wanting to one shot utahs all the time that no smart utah would go near you again if that was the case? As it is we can harass you a bit for fun, but if the tiniest amount of lag meant certain death utahs would just stay far away. It's not like utahs can do any real damage to deinos anyway, we just fight you for fun.
silver wigeon
Did it ever occur to the deinos wanting to one shot utahs all the time that no s...
🤔
proud swan
<@!431217108580564993> Righto, as I found later and discussed with other people ...
@vestal gust Again I'm countering your post specifically targeted at pounce damage and bucking being 'weak', the walk speed 'bug' is irreverent.
Sorry to experienced that though. bucking stamina damage is way over tuned, it actually costs YOU more and US less the more utahs are pounced when you buck by the way. As i said a utah gets 3-4 seconds to stay on if your bucking and it does NOT drain anywhere close to 50% HP in that time, utter tripe. And a quick discord search of your posts reveals one thing, you're continuously bashing pounce. Again come test with me if you think you know better 🙂
ripe zinc
@cosmic rose I know diets are meant to be coming sometime in the future, but noone knows how it will even work or when. Quick and dirty improvement would be to just tie grow speed directly to hunger level though imo. % of stomach = % grow speed, no more sitting in bushes until food is at 30%.
vernal sentinel
How is this balance feedback
ripe zinc
@earnest onyx at least they should make group limits a server option, if they want officials to be like that sure but unofficial servers shouldn't be stuck with them
earnest onyx
yes they should do that ....
cant play with friends and alot of confusion and chaos happening cuz we cant add eachother in the same group..
ripe zinc
cant play with friends and alot of confusion and chaos happening cuz we cant add...
Yeah, not only is it an annoyance for groups organized outside the game, but it also gives those same groups a massive advantage as someone only communicating ingame has no way of knowing who's on their team over group limits.
slim dragon
I have the same opinion as Piggy on group limits, remove hard limits and replace them with some sort of debuff. We've seen it doesn't work against megapacks, and it makes it a hassle to play when you have more friends than what your group limit authorizes. (although I'm firmly opposed to increase deino group limits, just play something else if you wanna be social)
earnest onyx
how can u be social in a game where u cant talk between species?
slim dragon
By talking with the same species ?
grave veldt
the point is to play the game not sit and talk
dusky surge
just play utahraptor, that's how i play with my friends and we have a great time
grave veldt
also u can already talk with ur own species
earnest onyx
By talking with the same species ?
what if some friends wanna play something else? talking between species should be a must
slim dragon
nope, encourages mixpacking too much
earnest onyx
the point is to play the game not sit and talk
The point is this is a game. not the real thing
mix packing its an amazing way to socialize lol
grave veldt
yea but again my point still stands ur supposed to play the game not sit n talk
slim dragon
There are times where I want to play as survivor in Dead by Daylight and my friend as a Killer, yet we can't
For the better of it
grave veldt
if u wanna vibe n talk with friends theres better games for that
u can still do it here anyways
slim dragon
^
grave veldt
earnest onyx
if u wanna vibe n talk with friends theres better games for that
i wanna talk with friends on the isle cuz i love this game. and im pretty sure many ppl want to do that
dusky surge
discord
wheat field
Isle Discord
ripe zinc
I have the same opinion as Piggy on group limits, remove hard limits and replace...
I think the increasing difficulty with finding food should be the debuff.
slim dragon
I doubt it will be enough
Utah megapacks rarely get out of food because they can cross the entire server easily and take on anything
Apex megapacks is something else, but getting a server wipe because of raptors isn't any better than by a group of rexes like in legacy
ripe zinc
it would be enough if food availability for a mega pack concentrated in one spot was sufficiently low
slim dragon
As I just said, raptors can just move through the entire map
ripe zinc
As I just said, raptors can just move through the entire map
And they do, and with great speed since they hardly need to eat anything they kill
dusky surge
man i dont even usually kill my food as a large raptor pack
we just scavenge and somehow did well for ourselves
god forbid we got an even larger pack
ripe zinc
man i dont even usually kill my food as a large raptor pack
you just said your pack fits in the current group limit, how is that large
dusky surge
we kept getting more members. Eventually too many to fit
I think we reached 12
and we survived off a single corpse
ripe zinc
yeah, it's ridiculous how much food there is. especially as raptors
dusky surge
we rarely ever killed any of our food besides the occasional ptera
and defenceless small animals
lament cloak
@meager timber the point of the group limits is to discourage massive groups, it does nothing to stop them, but it makes them inconvenient untill better systems are in place
wheat field
Those #s are way too high
grave veldt
honestly why change the grp limits even now if what u said in ur suggestion about how "players are forming large groups anyway so it doesn't matter if there are limits or not"
wheat field
Also Deinos may be on large croc gangs but that doesn’t mean they are friends hell most of em fight for the food and sometimes kill eachother
So at the very max deino is at 3 for groups
grave veldt
i can see 3 for deino
also for the ppl complaining about stego being 5
its a herbivore
wheat field
Stego was a very social animal
grave veldt
herbis r meant to herd to together
not to mention that becuz its a fat slow herbi everything can outrun/outswim it
its like saying 3 brachis in a grp is unbalanced
like what r they gonna kill and chase lol
wheat field
I can only imagine some allos just biting a brachi and running and repeat just to mess with brachis
grave veldt
imagine brachi growth time
grave veldt
i mean tbf even though brachi is massive
it still seems killable with say 3-4 gigas
although trample dmg would make this extremly difficult
also not to mention ever finding 4 gigas
lol
undone bough
Gonna be interesting to see gigas mechanic, I would think thats having a huge impact wether or not it can hunt Brachis
wheat field
also not to mention ever finding 4 gigas
Clans will always be a thing so 🤷🏽♂️
grave veldt
u right
also ye gigas have room for interesting abilities
im just confused tho as
acro and giga r similar in what they do
wonder how they'll differentiate them
wheat field
They’re going with fat acro right?
undone bough
I mean in that chart all the carnis are bleeders
grave veldt
true
wheat field
I wanna see a fat albert 🙂
grave veldt
but say something like allo and giga r vastly different
undone bough
so we know utah pounce, allo grapple
grave veldt
well actually what they could do
is keep with the endurance giga
and make acro fast in short bursts kinda like rex but with bleed in stead
just a thought
wheat field
Allo grapple does it shove you to the ground or does it just grab you and take a big ass bite
undone bough
we dont really know yet how grapple is gonna look
id guess something like you described
wheat field
Heard cera is gonna have something similar
grave veldt
grapple might be like pounce where things at a certain size would just be thrown on the ground and killed while bigger targets would be played with
undone bough
like anything small basically pinned and larger ones maybe slowed ?
grave veldt
^ what i was thinking
fossil gazelle
The Rex Is going to pin dinos
undone bough
well yeah but right now utah pins smaller creatures aswell
lament cloak
Allo grapple does it shove you to the ground or does it just grab you and take a...
probably works similar to utah pounce except when you latch onto something your feet will still be on the ground
wheat field
probably works similar to utah pounce except when you latch onto something your ...
Heh
wheat field
Big ass allo just gonna pounce a rex i wanna see it
grave veldt
thinking about it is pretty cursed
wheat field
Give deino pounce?
wheat field
What in the fuck is that
dapper frost
wtf
undone bough
elder stego with pogo stick legs when?
grave veldt
stego is perfect for pouncing
lament cloak
dont mind me im just going to bring this to #401464048610312195
grave veldt
lol
wheat field
@meager timber if you want a decent grouping list here
Carnivores:
Deino: 3
Utah: 8
Carno: 4-5
Pteranodon: 7
Herbivores:
Stego: 5
Teno: 7
Dryo:8
Hypsi: Who really gives a fuck about hyspi?
alpine plover
Pteradon..
slim dragon
Actually you spelled half of them wrong
slim dragon
Heh I know the feel
wheat field
I couldn’t realize what was wrong with Dyro till i said it to myself
alpine plover
pain
wheat field
I also just realized hyspi is wrong too
Nah hyspi is just something i never took the time to learn what the name was, it was just such a useless dino I didn’t care about its existence
slim dragon
Fun thing
Hypsilophodon was once my favorite dino
I trained for days to learn to write its name correctly
wheat field
I wanna see humans added and see how deino fucks with them
Wait why would humans ever go near the water
Water treatment plant is now necessary 🤔
slim dragon
Refill their canteens to boil water later ?
Or be tribals and just drink from it
And hunt deinos
wheat field
Don’t think they would hunt deinos actively unless they were on land
slim dragon
Utahs do it
I don't see why tribals wouldn't
Plus tribals could make cool armor out of deino leather
wheat field
What are your estimates on Update 4 Release ima SS it and were gonna see who wins
slim dragon
Tomorrow
wheat field
😑
grave veldt
today wdym
slim dragon
I'm not the guy who makes estimates over videogame development
rapid bison
I think update 4 will be released in... August?
wheat field
Too late
spare badger
I feel that update 4 won't take as long as update 3. Maybe June? Or July? I don't think August tho
stuck fog
dim radish
Carno group limits should be nerfed in general.
Carnos are meant to hunt small tier game and not the bigger things, so nerfing it down would push it Info the direction of how it was meant to be played
echo rune
have they changed Deino hit box? seems like he can bite me even wherever I am behind him / underneath him (as a baby utah)
sinful cove
If he can bite you while you're underneath him thats good lol
grave veldt
dw i asked a QA member in a discord they already know about deinos hitboxes being trash and their working on it
along with the bug where u use stam when u get up after the slow animation if u press w a s d
proper zephyr
i hope they buff his biteforce a bit
seems pretty ridiculous to me that it can't one body shot a utah
hollow canyon
If it could it would be downright the most overpowered playable in the game.
And it's already closer to being too good than too bad
novel tulip
You can one-shot utah, use the lunge
Deinos don't bite their prey to death, they drag them under
rich fractal
for hunting food i guees its good enough, but the above grapple weight range is akward right now without fractures or anything. sometimes you want to scare something away or defend yourself and its bad at that for its size
grave veldt
for it to one shot a utah on body it would need 1000 N bite force
which would, like aken said, make it broken
sinful cove
Solution: just nerf the JPraptor's HP
grave veldt
pls
1000 hp for something not even 1 and half hours to grow for
literally 15 mins extra then ptera
and has like 800 or 850 more hp
sinful cove
Utah shouldn’t have much more hp than his weight
How much does the bastard weigh anyway
sinful cove
Having surplus hp for your weight should be reserved for heavily built or armoured animals
Utah is neither
grave veldt
yea
things like anky
actually
imo i feel like anky should have relatively ok hp not a lot
sinful cove
Anky, deino, spino, trike, etc. those guys are chunky or armoured
grave veldt
so in its stead u give it shit loads of armor
sinful cove
They look like they should have surplus hp pools
grave veldt
well they already added a neck hitbox so
so they got something planned for the frills of ceratopsians
sinful cove
Shit like utah, troodon, dryo, scrawny bastards who don't need the extra bulk in their stats because they have nothing it would come from
sinful cove
They already lowered JPraptor's growth timer while it is an extremely efficient killer with the stats the devs gave it
Idk depends on how strong troo venom is
sinful cove
The devs love utah
grave veldt
way too much
sinful cove
Its probably one of their faves considering the treatment it gets
sinful cove
Yeah if there's a bias it sure isn't subtle
sinful cove
Cant be coincidence lol
grave veldt
lol
sinful cove
Is your song library small or what maybe its cursed
Kinda like utah
It deserves less hp
grave veldt
utah soloing stego is saddening
granted the ones dying arent exactly good
but even an average stego shouldnt die from a utah
no matter how good
sinful cove
Yeah when a low tier can solo things large and slow that cant run away with its no-skill-involved socketed pounce its kinda sad
And they had to make utah so ugly too
rapid bison
the only time a stego should die to a utah is if it's afk
sinful cove
At least make it look cool
grave veldt
Yeah when a low tier can solo things large and slow that cant run away with its ...
this right here is the issue
stego is slower then utah so it cant run away and already has weird jab
sinful cove
If theyre gonna keep caressing utah with pounce socketing and growth time reduction and double the hp as his weight they may as well at least make it look good but they don't lol
Stego has no cc and a very easy to dodge jab
Big shame
Most of the time utah's are in groups too so killing a few means nothing
sinful cove
You lose 5 hours and they grow back at a little over one
grave veldt
6 utahs and above should be a threat or 4 rly coordinated ones
2-3 should just be a nuisance
just a threat too not even a major threat just a threat
instead utahs r managing to get it in 2 or 3 packs
sinful cove
Your average joe warm milk IQ utah player can steamroll the roster because you and your 15 friends grew a megapack in an hour
sinful cove
Pounce shouldnt be socketed
grave veldt
atleast if it socketed make it atleast somewhat skillful
sinful cove
Idiot players pounce on a bad spot and the game teleports them onto the target's body
sinful cove
The target gets punished for its attacker's mistakes
rapid bison
current evrima stego is seen as challenge for utah and carno
legacy stego is feared by everything that isn't an apex
rapid bison
yeah that's fair, but at least it was actually threatening
sinful cove
Hopefully steg receives some help in the next few patches. It's dumb af that steg has no AOE swing and it's dumb that deino doesn't have a tail slap too
sinful cove
Hopefully it isnt some slap on the wrist to pounce a kentro spike like a braindead primate
sinful cove
Biting spikes and pouncing on spikes should get you spiked
sinful cove
Kentro should be something to ambush and be quick and precise
sinful cove
Yeah since if they don't have adequate stats to do that theyre basically fodder
And it would he a shame for such neat playables to end up like that
grave veldt
ye
like even though their not too big or heavy they got the weapons to do it
both should be able to defend themselves against an allo
sinful cove
While one of the worst designed dinos in the game gets treated royally
Would be a shame for others to not meet their potential
If kentro and diablo can't outrun allo they should have a good chance to fuck one up
sinful cove
Yeah they couldnt even make magy fast enough without it looking weird
sinful cove
God
sinful cove
With that model honestly i wouldnt even care if it was cursed as fuck
sinful cove
Model is already a disaster design
Yeah i remember the aquatic anky suggestion
Weird shit
sinful cove
I remember that one, wanting utah to oneshot pachy by biting its neck lmao
sinful cove
People just want glorified punching bags to hunt so they can kill something that can't fight back and just looks strong and then broadcast like they accomplished something
grave veldt
trike in legacy is a perfect example lol
sinful cove
Basically, people whined and it got turned into fodder
grave veldt
at sum point it rly was too good
but they dulled it down so much
to the point whre it is now
sinful cove
Same thing with para
grave veldt
yup
rapid bison
also does anyone else doubt that this... thing weighs 500 kg?
Keep in mind that a polar bear male weighs less than that
grave veldt
indeed actually tigers weigh more then that\
sinful cove
Yeah maybe irl utah would be that much but not our shrinkwrap jp fanboy raptor
grave veldt
maybe if utah looked bulky
i would understand the 1000 hp
but its not bulky enough to warrant such hp
sinful cove
Faketah doesnt deserve the 1k health pool
grave veldt
lol
sinful cove
Especially with its growth time and handheld pounce
Ugly ass mf raptor lol
Hopefully velo gets better treatment in its model
grave veldt
legacy utahs ass riding didnt help utahs image either
rapid bison
i imagine it weighing like 400 kg considering a rugops weighs 410 kg
sinful cove
Assride raptors and rp warriorcats wolf pack chatroom raptors
sinful cove
Yeah there was someone who designed a good thick utah redesign too
grave veldt
theri: fight apexes or run away?
rapid bison
mods when
sinful cove
Probably run
grave veldt
it doesnt have the weight or hp to be an apex but its weapons def do
eternal iris
Should be like 60/40 in the apex favor
sinful cove
Theri should probably have enough damage to make an apex think twice but typically lose the fight, have enough speed to escape apexes and other pseudos but too slow to chase down mids and smalls
grave veldt
also im tired of ppl saying stego isnt an apex, its literally 6 tons the same size as a trike and has massive spikes
dusky surge
i agree that the design for raptor does not match the weight but i fucking love my stinky goblin rat lizard. It literally looks like the kind of thing to just run up in a massive pack, steal a pile of meat and retreat to their little goblin den
grave veldt
thats something troodon would prolly do tho
dusky surge
troodon is one of my most hype characters because i want to have an even more goblin-like dino
sinful cove
Sure it definitely looks like it would steal your shit and rummage through dumpsters, it DOESN'T look like something that would be steamrolling large dinosaurs
rapid bison
i agree that the design for raptor does not match the weight but i fucking love ...
your brain run by goblin
grave veldt
Sure it definitely looks like it would steal your shit and rummage through dumps...
the isle
rapid bison
pull him out and beat him
sinful cove
It DOESN'T look like something that tanks an alligator and has 1000hp
dusky surge
the way i play utah is very goblin. I hide in bushes, find a corpse, call my entire pack and we just run in, steal meat and put it in a massive meat pile. We live a life of scavengers and will retreat if anything that is slightly bigger than us makes direct eye contact. Not the optimal way to play but it's funny as hell
rapid bison
buff deino bite to 600 and nerf utah's weight and health to match it's model?
grave veldt
seems decent
like that suggestion
only issue as soon as u put it in the channel u'll be met with angry utah mains
lol
sinful cove
Sounds like a good deal to me if utah receives a fat hp drop
rapid bison
aside from no feathers, what do you think makes utah look like an ugly goblin
dusky surge
if they're going to nerf Utah's health and weight, might as well make it a speedy/sneaky glass cannon which deals more damage and evades more attacks but eats shit when anything gets tired of its shit and kicks the little fucker. I love playing Utah for the pack mechanics and stealth honestly
golden coral
Utah should be designed either as a fast but weak critter (in which case, nerf it's health and damage, keep speed and stamina, agility should remain the same, maybe even boost jump a bit), or slow but powerful. I would rather make it a proper utah (sort of), nerf it's speed and run stamina massively, boost bite/pounce and health by a decent bit, keep agility about the same, more or less. May or may not keep jump.
sinful cove
Probably the gangly ass broken wrists
Utah deals enough damage, just drop his hp pool
grave veldt
utah deals enough dmg and bleed
one utah if let on can bleed a stego half way
just one utah
sinful cove
Utah's stats aren't befitting of 1hr15min growth
eternal iris
Jeez guys, as a utah main, you already get put out of commission from one hit of almost anything
sinful cove
Packs recover lost members insanely easy
eternal iris
I dont wanna lose all that time from ONE mistake
sinful cove
All that time
grave veldt
all that time?
golden coral
Honestly, growth times should be increased a bit overall, or difficulty in growing needs to come in soon. 30 min for a dryo?
You know, someone really should do a dryo swarm and kill stegos, just to show how dryo can be played if you set your mind to it :p
grave veldt
making a mistake even one and it costing ur life when fighting things such as a stego
seems perfectly fine to me
sinful cove
1hr15min for making a mistake against things that stand barely a chance against the megapacks everywhere and lose a LOT more time after dying and can't run away from the fight either
If you are in full control of the engagement your mistakes should be very punishing
And utah is in control
eternal iris
When playing as stego I was already wacking utahs left and right
rapid bison
only thing i could see being problematic against a utah that is not tanky is carnos and they are kinda meant to prey on small dinos
eternal iris
It's not that hard, you can knock them off on trees
sinful cove
Yeah stego can kill a good handful of utahs and the ez grow megapacks still roll it over
Also its jab isnt hard to dodge unless you have uber lag
grave veldt
good utahs will disengage from the pounce or not even pounce when a steg is near a tree
dusky surge
actually i'd be fine with a nerf to those two stats, since i believe they plan to let them climb trees, so that new level of stealth/mobility would mean it won't need the massive HP and weight anymore
golden coral
@eternal iris You do have a point. I would personally just like utah to be more of a proper ambusher with pounce, in smaller groups, rather than this JPesque character. So I'd have it be slowed down, but powered up, and make it more of a pair/small actual pack hunter, over big group. You go with 4 utahs, keep your current health, keep your current power, maybe a touch increase, but nerf stamina runtime and speed, so you're not running around when fighting, you just show up out of nowhere and before the prey knows it, they got 2-4 utahs on them ripping away. Even if they buck, you'll have done enough damage to make them feel it, and be severely weakened.
rapid bison
but wouldn't nerfing utah's health not be much of a downside against stegos, seeing how they can already one-shot you normally?
grave veldt
but wouldn't nerfing utah's health not be much of a downside against stegos, see...
a base of the tail is a two shot and tip of the tail is 9
so nerfing its hp would help immensly
rapid bison
how much hits to kill a deino as stego with bodyshots
sinful cove
Nerfing utah's hp also makes the dumb uncoordinated packs that bite eachother on accident all the time get punished more by their own incompetence
grave veldt
according to my calculations stego does 1200 dmg on a tail hit
rapid bison
and 6000 divided by 5 is definitely more than 1000 as far as i know
grave veldt
ye
6k divided by 1200
is 5 so
thats how i came to the conclusion that stego must have 1200 dmg
hollow canyon
Just going to say that Deino doesn't need any buffs to biteforce as it is.
rapid bison
which should mean a utah gets one-shot on bodyshot due to it having 1000 health
grave veldt
it does
hollow canyon
Overall this animal doesn't need any buffs
grave veldt
body and head shots r one shot
sinful cove
Yeah deino doesn't need buffs, he needs better rivers/lakes
eternal iris
Yeah I dont understand why people say deino needs a buff...
Can snatch up and oneshot pretty much anything
sinful cove
That is a buff in itself in a way
grave veldt
a lot of ppl think they get body shots as stego on the utah when they actually hit the base of the tail
sinful cove
If it gets better water
rapid bison
oh wait nvm you said "base of the tail" not the body
rich fractal
i dont get why people think 8 ton deino should do less than half the damage of a 6 ton herb. im not talking about grabbing food from the side of the river, talking about it shouldnt be that bad at general fighting and defending. growing for 5hrs to hide from stuff over half your size is underwhelming. as long as the primary attack isnt more effective than grabbing for prey i dont see why its bad
rapid bison
over half your size
you mean less than half your size?
rich fractal
the stuff too big to drag in water but still smaller than u
basically i think things 4-8 tons should have more fear of it, hoping fractures can fix that area
rich fractal
ya it could stand there broken and murder the whole river but i dont see why its bad uf deinos primary attack can hurt them enough for them to not want to stand in the river in the first place, but not so high that its a main prey
rich fractal
what other carnivores have to run from a herb thats 2 tons lighter thats weird lol
grave veldt
weight doesnt always mean everything
trike is more then 1 ton lighter then rex
guess trike should run from it right?
rich fractal
idk what they would be like in here but before i think the ratio of damage wasnt as spread in those 2 examples
grave veldt
all im saying is that dino balance is more then just weight
rich fractal
why does the proper balance have to be just run away and not scare 6 ton class animals just a little
grave veldt
prolly cuz deino is a very niche animal not meant to brawl
rich fractal
just underwhelming is all. croc is famous for high bite for so it feels like i waited for a fish thats bad at swimming