balance-feedback-discussion

[grave veldt]

If u don’t wanna lunge play something else

[bold ridge]

lunge is heavily restrained to water and ambushing

which is why deino is ok to add at such an early stage

sucho is perfectly functional on land which is why it's too large for now

[grave veldt]

It could’ve been a deino repellent

Could hunt the smaller gators

[bold ridge]

that doesn't change the fact that it would absolutely destroy every other creature besides stego

[grave veldt]

I mean either way it’ll come eventually plus their Changing the roadmap

[bold ridge]

they're upsizing sucho in evrima so it's a psuedo apex now

[grave veldt]

It rly doesn’t destroy every other creature

Both the other carnis r faster then it

Utah can also pounce it just like it does stego

[bold ridge]

with that logic you could say that rex could be added now because it's slower

[civic moth]

that's the sadest part about it kekw

[grave veldt]

Rex and sucho r completely different

[bold ridge]

yes, but it being slow does not validate it being viable to add this early

[grave veldt]

I don’t get what ur saying tho what’s the issue with adding it

[bold ridge]

everything on the current roster is either too fast for it or too large for it, and it has no special quirk like deino to help it hunt

[grave veldt]

It can hunt smaller gators

Or smaller stegos

[alpine plover]

Adding rex in currently would pretty much be a death sentence to everything currently in the game

[grave veldt]

Fish exists too

[bold ridge]

sucho is supposed to be primarily a wader, sucho isn't gonna be hunting smaller deinos effectively

and if small stego is the only thing it's able to eat then it would be fucked

[grave veldt]

Again

Fish exists

[bold ridge]

and it's way too big to sustain itself on only fish

[grave veldt]

Deino doesn’t have too much of an issue

[bold ridge]

adult deino cannot sustain itself on fish at all

[grave veldt]

Sucho would be much easier to be kept full with fish

[bold ridge]

an elite fish fills like 5% of adult deino hunger

[grave veldt]

I literally sat in a pond and kept full as an adult deino

[bold ridge]

and elite fish spawns are really rare right now

[grave veldt]

In specific locations

There r plenty

But they need to be spread out more

Especially the rivers

[bold ridge]

no, there aren't. I have at least 30 hours on adult deino by now. I can guarantee you. Full adult deino cannot sustain itself on fish alone.

[alpine plover]

the southern areas of the map consist of a pretty steady amount of elite fish

[grave veldt]

Guarantee u can

[alpine plover]

it’s nothing great but better than most areas

[bold ridge]

fish replenish such a small portion of deino's hunger all they're useful for is to stave off starvation until you find a body

[grave veldt]

I’ve lived off fish for hours on end

[bold ridge]

I call bullshit, after 30 hours on full adult deino I can confirm that you need an actual body to sustain yourself.

[grave veldt]

Well I’ve lived off a fish

[bold ridge]

Fish are good to prevent starvation for a few minutes, but not to live off of.

[grave veldt]

Maybe fish wasn’t spawning in for u

I had tons of fish and never had issues

[bold ridge]

No, they were. Fish refill a minuscule amount of your hunger.

[grave veldt]

Only time I had issues was when other deinos came

[alpine plover]

Grew a deino to 60% before without having a fish issue. you can definitely live off fish for some time before you actually need to travel and hunt

[bold ridge]

Yes.

Small deino can live off of fish.

Not full adult.

[alpine plover]

the bigger you are the less food you get from eating fish

[bold ridge]

I was able to sustain myself on fish until maybe 50-60%, then I started getting such a small amount from fish I had to start hunting animals.

[grave veldt]

Then I got hungry

[alpine plover]

at 50-60 percent you can grab utahs at that point so you should be good, or just find a body

[bold ridge]

Yeah, deino gets to the point where it can hunt by the time fish become ineffective

[alpine plover]

but yea fish is only ideal once you’re young and can’t fight anything then you move on to scavenge or kill things

[grave veldt]

I’m not saying ur lying or anything I’m just saying many fish spawned for me

And I didn’t have issues

[bold ridge]

I-

[grave veldt]

Bruh I’ve lived off fish as an adult deino that’s rly it lol

[alpine plover]

[grave veldt]

[alpine plover]

Judo cera when :0?

[vernal sentinel]

[alpine plover]

[sinful cove]

There's this crazy thing PvP games have called “balance” where a 200000000N bite force would kinda be out of place

Deino is not supposed to kill with its bite, it is supposed to grab and drown

Idk why its so hard for people to understand that

[wide tulip]

@cosmic hamlet You have to have the worst record on feedback of anyone ever

I applaud your effort

[grave veldt]

Again with the 100999484004 bite force for deino?

Getting tired of seeing it

[sinful cove]

They just keep coming and they won't stop coming

[grave veldt]

Smh

[sinful cove]

Legacy Rex mains thinking their crocodile was gonna clicky clicky oneshot everything and getting sad when they have to use their special ability

[grave veldt]

I can’t wait till rex mains get their dinosaur

Then ppl who wanna play as a croc can properly play w/o ppl asking for deino to have 89278;993 bite force

[cosmic hamlet]

I have much rewarded suggestions too. But actually, even getting rejections on your feedback is a learning experience. I hope people give some good reasons

[novel tulip]

Why can't deino fly and pick up juvis

[dim radish]

Deino should roar and create lighting that murders everything in a 3 km radius

[wide tulip]

why do I lose my deino

I should just keep it

why do people keep saying it lacks power

@zenith lion have you played ANYTHING but a dieno?

[zenith lion]

i have played everything

and it does lack power

if you dont see that

[wide tulip]

Have you noticed, how a big deino kills everything in one lunge?

[zenith lion]

then you havent played enough

[wide tulip]

what are you lord of, the crocodiles?

[zenith lion]

if it is anything below his weight and groth

of course

it is the fair thing

[zenith lion]

what the fuck

are you retarded ?

[wide tulip]

sorry autocorrect

[golden coral]

@zenith lion You can't give deino the same power as stego on it's bite force. That would both make it unbalanced as heck (since main bite does not even take stamina, stego swing does), but also make using the grab to drown and kill stuff pretty much useless. Not to mention you'd twoshot a stego on head then.

[zenith lion]

or did i touched a sensible fiber ?

[wide tulip]

WOW

now you're going to bully me for my bad autocorrect?

[zenith lion]

i literally said not the same

[golden coral]

"and it is buffing the damage he does, the bite force, to deal the equivalent of damage his counterpart of 5 hours does"

What do you mean there then?

[zenith lion]

with this im not saying the same damage btw )

[wide tulip]

I'm starting to think people don't want balance they want to satiate their need to be powerful in video games despite the fact they're bad

[golden coral]

So, what do you mean then?

[zenith lion]

if you are going to copy paste

[golden coral]

Please clarify

[zenith lion]

do it right

[golden coral]

You said equivalent of damage, then say "not the same damage", so what do you mean then?

[shut fox]

heres a stego fight with two adults

[zenith lion]

if i spent 5 hours growing, i want to not be laugh at by stego in the river

[golden coral]

Maybe I'm just dumb and doesn't get it, so explain in simpler terms if you can

[zenith lion]

okey okey

give me a moment

[wide tulip]

so did the stego

the stego is also slower than you

[shut fox]

then you see this stuff

[wide tulip]

sounds like you bad breh

[sour prairie]

archaeology has proven that crocodiles are the strongest dinosaur

[shut fox]

I just thin the tail needs to be less damage

[zenith lion]

exactly

[shut fox]

think*

[zenith lion]

or deinos more

[shut fox]

1000 damage is a lot

[grave veldt]

Literally just swim away

[shut fox]

look at first video

[sinful cove]

Honestly cant tell if this is supposed to be satire

[grave veldt]

I don’t understand

Like just swim away

Lol

[cosmic hamlet]

Cause this game is primarily not about fights but about survival which everyone should enjoy?

[wide tulip]

It has the strongest bite force

that is the only stat that matters

[zenith lion]

if both of them would have the same damage, if would be a brainless fight with the " first to hit wins ", i now deino need a damage buff, but the value itself is not for my to decide

[grave veldt]

2 deinos can kill a stego I’ve seen it before

[bold ridge]

first of all deino is a gator, not a croc

[zenith lion]

it needs to be tested

[bold ridge]

second of all deino does need a biteforce buff but only a small one

[shut fox]

we didnt' kill one and we were two adults

[zenith lion]

in a way we can get to a point my 5 hours deino can do something agaisnt a 5 hours stego

[shut fox]

stego just laughed

[sour prairie]

crocs and gators are the same animal

[zenith lion]

it is really very simple

[wide tulip]

We need to give dieno 900000000000 biteforce

[shut fox]

This chase guy is just a troll

[zenith lion]

can you go somewhere else to say your shit ?

[wide tulip]

guys vergo was just trolling the whole time, his picture even has a guy with clownpaint on his face.

[zenith lion]

we are having here a debate

[wide tulip]

we fell for it

[grave veldt]

Bro what’s the debate about lol

[zenith lion]

and you are not saying anything

[grave veldt]

U want deino to 1v1 stegos?

[cosmic hamlet]

Yes he is

[golden coral]

Well, the current damage is fine for that. Hitboxes are the greatest issue for deino, but it does not need more damage, it fourshots a stego on head already. In any case, deino is not meant to bite to kill, but to grab and drown, and if you can't grab something, do not hunt it. You're not meant to. If you dislike that, it's fine, but that's how the deino is designed. Adult stegos are not prey, just ignore them. Hiss at them and call it a day if you must. :p

[wide tulip]

please dont bully me.

[zenith lion]

i want deinos to be able to do something against a stego that is so powerful agaisnt them that they can laugh in front of 2 adult deinos

thats why

[grave veldt]

What Erik said sums up everything

[sinful cove]

Deeper wider rivers, then you can just swim away from the stego better. There, fixed

[zenith lion]

but they should take less time to grow then

[cosmic hamlet]

Then stop saying crap

[golden coral]

Two deinos that know their shit can and will take the stego down if it doesn't eventually retreat. So it's fine, people just need to learn to plan and play properly. Beyond that, you're not really meant to take on an adult stego.

You are not a water rex.

[wide tulip]

Is anyone else here hysterically laughing because Deinos lose to stegos and then post in here once a week about how it needs a buff

[shut fox]

to have a stego just have their tail down in the water so I can't eat is beyond me lol

[grave veldt]

No they shouldn’t deino can literally one shot the entire roster rn except stego

[zenith lion]

if you are telling me a stego is out of my league, then why do i take the same time of grow than him ?

[shut fox]

so yes we would want to kill those trolls

[golden coral]

No, because except for stego matchup, you can solo anything else without it being able to fight back if you grab them. You also have sole control of the water, except for other deinos.

[zenith lion]

you cannot one shot a utah adult

[grave veldt]

Maybe cuz I one shot everything else in the game??

[sour prairie]

biting a stego tail is like biting a sword

[novel tulip]

Deinos can run into the water and swim off, being completely invulnerable, meanwhile stego is slow and cannot outrun anything

[golden coral]

You're very much a powerful entity, just not quite the power you might want.

[grave veldt]

Lunge

Lunge is what ur supposed to be doing

[novel tulip]

^

[golden coral]

Stego gets shat on a lot easier than deino, even if both of them play smart.

[zenith lion]

and still not worth it for 5 hours if another 5 hours dino can laugh that you in the shore

[grave veldt]

That’s deinos main thing not high bite force

[golden coral]

Deino just goes "nope" into water. Stego meanwhile can't escape for shit. :p

[golden coral]

Why not? It's not about that one matchup, it's about all of them.

[drowsy shell]

Larger river systems would be pretty dope

[golden coral]

You can't just judge growth time based on one matchup, especially not when it's not an issue of you surviving it.

[grave veldt]

5 hours to one shot everything except stego? Seems fair to me

U can still one shot 79% stegos and under

[golden coral]

It's an issue of you not being able to hunt it, you won't die to a stego unless you're making a mistake or get caught at the shallows, and that stretch has it's own issues.

[zenith lion]

maybe that is the case for land predators, but stego can get back and heal right in the shore when he wants to stop fighting a deino, and the deino cant do nothing

[drowsy shell]

Sure it can

Stay in the river and live your life

[grave veldt]

Deino is the one who dictates if the fight will even happen

[golden coral]

And deino can just swim away. Stego can't get a deino unless the deino allows it, excepting some bad stretches that you can watch and don't have to go to.

[grave veldt]

Deino can just ignore the stego and swim away

[wide tulip]

Boys boys, deinos are here for tears not for reason

[golden coral]

You don't need to hunt an adult stego, you can still oneshot everything up to young adult stego at 80% growth or so.

[wide tulip]

stop making sense you'll implode their brains

[drowsy shell]

I don't see any stegos actually swimming after any deinos bro.
What I do see is stegos parking their tails in very narrow rivers and punishing deinos. It's a map issue lmao

[zenith lion]

Yes it has to be with the time too, and weight. the deino is almost double the weight, only 500 kg for being able to drag him, and still only 150 n more of damage than a carno

[grave veldt]

Not it’s not lmao

[golden coral]

You can't say 5 hours isn't worth it just because there's one critter you can't singlehandely oneshot, you can still take them on in pairs if you must.

[grave veldt]

It’s 2 tons heavier only

[drowsy shell]

Game needs more river systems, and larger ones at that

[grave veldt]

The main issue is the rivers and AI

[golden coral]

What? Deino can grab things up to 4T. They also oneshot everything but the things they can't grab. No you can't say 5 hours is bad because you can't kill something. Should I say stego shouldn't be 5 hours because I can't hunt things down cause stego is slow and boring?

[zenith lion]

deinos are supposed to be ambush predators, every ambush predator in the animal kingdom has a strong surprise attack, and it should be fear, but deino is not only not scaring stegos, but they are bullying the deinos

[grave veldt]

Not deino

[zenith lion]

they dont one shoot

[grave veldt]

Yes they do

[golden coral]

Grab and drown oneshots if you do it right.

[zenith lion]

how much time have you played deino ?

[drowsy shell]

Deino grab is a REALLY STRONG surprise attack

[grave veldt]

Again lunge

[golden coral]

Plenty of hours by now actually.

[zenith lion]

that is not one shoot still

[grave veldt]

Lunge is a one shot

U grab em and they drown

[golden coral]

Successfully grown to adult twice, hunted stego successfully as well as survived thenm.

[wide tulip]

stegos also use a huge ammount of stam

[zenith lion]

then you should now you dont one shot anything bigger than a utah

[wide tulip]

so just bait their attack and then kill them

[grave veldt]

L u ng e

[golden coral]

Far as I know, I've drowned things perfectly fine in one go.

[zenith lion]

i had 4 adult ones

[wide tulip]

you one shot a 100% carno bud

[grave veldt]

How many times do I have to say lunge

[golden coral]

Including tennos, and even killed a carno by fighting it on land for that matter.

[wide tulip]

shows you havent played carno LOL

[grave veldt]

U can literally lunge and one shot the entire roster except stego

[zenith lion]

drowned is not one shoot

[grave veldt]

It basically is

[zenith lion]

is a stamina fight

[golden coral]

Do you mean they actually survive if you hold them under for the entirety of your stamina?

[grave veldt]

Once it’s in it’s over

[wide tulip]

YOU PICK IT UP IN YOUR MOUTH AND WALK AROUND WITH IT HELPLESS

thats one shot

its dead

[grave veldt]

Wdym stamina fight

[drowsy shell]

You're not getting out of that river after a deino pulls you into it

[grave veldt]

U grab em and drown em

[drowsy shell]

Even if you get out of the grab you still need to get out of the river

[grave veldt]

U only need the stam to hold them that’s it

^

[drowsy shell]

Deino just chomps you to death

[wide tulip]

just like in real life : )

[zenith lion]

if you have your entire stamina, then you deserve to drown them, because they weight less than you, and take less time to grow. even with that i have seen things getting away and for me too. And i will say it again, lunge is not oneshot because there is the chance of you getting away. I dont want a one shot to a carno ffs, but a utah at least

[drowsy shell]

Sorry your dino that literally decides when/when it doesn't engage with stegos can't completely and utterly shit on them

[zenith lion]

a 8 ton croco bites a utah and it goes walking fine ?

nah

[grave veldt]

If u lunge the Utah it would’ve been over

[golden coral]

I don't know how you're doing it then, but from what I know, grab and drown is a oneshot, even for a full carno, if you hold them under the entire time with full stamina/growth on your part. And I get it, you want to bite things, but this is not the playable to do that with. It's not designed that way.

You'll probably get a buff in the future anyway, as will stego and others that need it for when the rest of the roster shows up.

[wide tulip]

its SECONDS for a full carno

[grave veldt]

^

[drowsy shell]

The buff it gets in the future is gonna be heavy injury

[wide tulip]

like 10 seconds underwater and the carno is dead

[golden coral]

But for now, you're fine. You can grab and drown things, and they can't even fight back, even stego has better way of fighting back against a pounce, stupid as treehugging is :p

[drowsy shell]

Which is a mechanic that's not currently in the game

[wide tulip]

so for now you'll just have to deal with one shotting an entire roster

and being able to afk for hours

[golden coral]

You grab something, it can do nothing but hope you run out of stamina, and that you didn't drag it down somewhere it can't get up and out from. I've pulled things down at the swamp "gate", the log/rocks there, it's deep and since they can't see shit underwater, you pull them down there, it's pretty much over for them.

[zenith lion]

i think a lot of people is losing the point because of the lunge. Crocodiles have the best bite force in all the planet, the salt water crocodile for being precise, and in the past too. I dont want a deino to 1 shot anything bigger than a utah or to be able to get stego dragged into the water because that would be unfair. But to respect the main characteristic of crocodilians, i think it is the least they can do

[drowsy shell]

and literally deciding all of your engagements for anything other than other seinos

[grave veldt]

The isle is a video game and a video is bit real life

[drowsy shell]

That's your privilege as a deino. YOU decide when YOU engage with land critters

[grave veldt]

It would be absolutely ridiculous to give deino it’s irl bite force

[golden coral]

Yeah, game balance comes before realism, you still are a powerful croc, and most likely will get more powerful, so it's fine for now.

I mean, if you want to argue that, stego should probably oneshot carnos, but we don't

[grave veldt]

Let’s talk about the main issue like hitboxes and physics for deino

[zenith lion]

1. dragging is not one shot. one shot would be to bite and kill 100%, and lunge is not that
2. bitting is not crocodile main mechanic ? im not buying that

[grave veldt]

Also AI and the map itself

[wide tulip]

biteforce in this game is a number used to give dinos attack power. you understand that right? it's a ballance number not a factual one

[grave veldt]

Biting is not a crocs main mechanic lunge is

If u wanna bite things be a rex when they comes out

[novel tulip]

If you dont like the lunge don't play deino

[grave veldt]

^

It’s a niche play style not for everyone

[wide tulip]

you're an ambush predator not a brawler

[novel tulip]

Its playstyle is strategically camping a spot and planning lunges

[zenith lion]

and that is nice, that is fair if anything is small compared to you or your weight

[golden coral]

For the game, biting stuff is not your main mechanic no. IRL is irrelevant. Ingame, you grab and drown, that's it. Lunge is your main mechanic, like utah pounce is, you're supposed to use that for the kill, over a normal bite. Bite is secondary and used for defense or with smaller stuff and so on. And no, it's still "one shot", even if you have to go about it a bit different. The critter you got still dies, one way or the other, with no way of fighting back.

[zenith lion]

i think stegos shouldnt oneshot anything bigger than a utah, as for the deinos

oneshot a carno would be unfair for them

[wide tulip]

ya it is

[sour prairie]

crocodiles irl hunt deer and other small critters, they arent capable of killing other predators

[wide tulip]

nerf deino

buff carno hp

[grave veldt]

Deinos can literally one shot the entire roster except stego

What’s the issue

[golden coral]

Not quite sure what you're triyng to say there. It was just an example, if we're going by real life characteristics. Stego has huge thagomizers, it would hurt a lot more than it currently does if it hit you. Just like deino jaws.

[zenith lion]

it is not a oneshot, like i have told several times, i will not move from that. Every dino until now, being big, and so many time to grow, have had a lot of Damage in bites, i think something that cannot get out of water for anything that is not dying ( soemthing fair to me ) need to have more damage or at least something similar to his counterpart

[grave veldt]

Idc what u say it’s a one shot

[wide tulip]

Vergo learn to play your class you're embarrassing yourself

[grave veldt]

Lunge is a one shot

[zenith lion]

not talking about the shallow rivers that are literally full of players drinking and avoiding the normal rivers, which is smart but let the deino dying of hunger, since the only ones getting into the river are stegos, and we all know why

[crystal wharf]

vergo, lunge, dont bite, stop trying to bite, and especially stop trying to make excuses as to why you should bite, you're only making a fool of yourself

[zenith lion]

sorry i meant shouldnt

[grave veldt]

That’s an issue not with deino

Just because things don’t come to the river doesn’t mean deino is weak

[grave veldt]

Again this is a map issue not a deino issue

[zenith lion]

if you say so. Im defending my opinion, i can say that you are making a fool out of yourself by not seeing my point but i dont do it, because that is what ignorant people would say

im expressing why

i dont think any opinion have to deal with people calling you a fool

[golden coral]

@zenith lion Fine, we can disagree on if it's to be called a one shot or not, point still stands that you can kill everything but a grown stego very easily with it having very little chance of getting out, much less fighting back. If you want to compare to a terrestial, do so with utahs, who also have a bite, but a much more lethal pounce they use. And saying "similar" to counterpart, is .. I still don't get what you want that to do honestly. But deino and stego aren't really "counterparts" in the same way, because while their growth is the same, their "niche" is not.

[zenith lion]

learn to respect others opinions first

[zenith lion]

that is an extra, indeed. It is a map one, i agree on that

[grave veldt]

Shallow rivers and rivers in general should just be better

They need to be wider and deeper

[wide tulip]

they need to change the numbers to attack power

instead of biteforce

[zenith lion]

i agree with most of what you are saying, but not on the stego. I don't get why i cant express it good enough that, if it takes the same time to grow, one shouldn't be much much stronger than the other, maybe im doing something wrong trying to show my point in that, English is not my mother tongue so it is not helping it. and what do you say about not one bitting a utah ?

[zenith lion]

yeah, some of them are there but too shallow to cross it for deinos, and makes the strategy of waiting useless if anyone can go to a safer place that is less than 20 seconds away

[grave veldt]

Yea def agree on this

Rivers need to actually be deep and wide

[golden coral]

No, I get it. I get your point, but you're missing a vital point here. Deino is not, despite it's growth time, designed in the same niche/power level, because of other reasons, such as its grab and water control and all that.

You're only looking at growth time, and that's not the only thing that matters here.

[zenith lion]

like the ones near the swamp

they are nice

[novel tulip]

Shallows should be shorter and have a slight dip in the middle where a deino can hide

[grave veldt]

Yea those r good

^

[zenith lion]

im not only looking at that, lets take grow out of the table

[novel tulip]

So its risky for both land animals and deino

[grave veldt]

Honestly I want less shallows overall

[zenith lion]

lats take gorwth out

lets see

how i say this

even if your main mechanic as a deino is lunge, he is not agile at all, so you cannot bite and avoid an attack from anyone ( even if utahs do not use the pounce, they can kill you with bites and dodging the attcks and timing the strategy well ), but deinos cant. i dont want "one bites " to anything bigger than a utah, but it makes me feel like deinos are not able to fight at all, you cannot protect "your water"

it is like having a big mouth to not be able to bite

you are able to drag and kill a carno somewhat easy

but then a utah can escape a bite of a 8 tons deino ?

i just dont see that it is fair

i woudlnt change anything on deino, i want him to be shit on land

it needs to be shit on land

but it needs to at least, scare a little a stego that have his head on the water, because right now the " bite for bite "mechanic we all know is too much on the favor of stego

[zenith lion]

and by the way

thanks for the respect that you show

i appreciate that

[zenith lion]

and to you too

our opinions may disagree, but the respect should always be there

not like one we know

[grave veldt]

Well at the end of the day it’s a dinosaur game so no reason to insult someone else

[zenith lion]

indeed, unless they insult you first, don't forget that

[grave veldt]

Ofc gotta defend urself

[novel tulip]

The people on this server that just sit around insulting people are obnoxious yeah

[grave veldt]

Yea there was one in isle discussion like a few seconds ago

[novel tulip]

No wonder everyone hates the isle community lmao

[grave veldt]

Lol

[zenith lion]

if only we could understand each other more easily

[golden coral]

@zenith lion Alright. Let's see. First of all, there are a whole bunch of issues with deino hitboxes, both for bite and lunge, so a utah escaping is not because deino is weak, it's because hitbox. You twoshot a deino on both head and body, so it can not take 8 hits, unless there's something else going on. You can use the alt bite to actually fight decently on land, but you are, as you said, shit on land and really should not go out of the water, except maybe up on the shoreline, but always within reach of safety.

There's a bit of an issue with stegos "fishing" for deinos, but as deino you can in most cases just ignore the stego, go underwater, and be on your way, safe and sound. You also do fourshot a stego on head, but again, hitboxes makes this a bit trickier than it should be. Fixing hitboxes, and making the rivers a bit deeper and wider, would do a whole lot to make deino better, both in combat and in survival. No smart stego would ever actually go swimming after you, because then they will die, simple as that.

But the growth time is fine for now, for what you get. We might disagree on calling it a one shot, but the grab and drown is very powerful and excepting too heavy stegos, everyone is suspectible to it, and they can't fight back against it at all, except hoping you're out of stam and haven't dragged them too far down into the depths by then. So I don't think deino needs any stat changes for now, there are other issues that are the cause of most of the problems with the critter.

[zenith lion]

i agree in 90% of all of that to be honest.
For you too understand why i talk about the grow time: Grow time have always being a factor to know how powerful and how useful something is, it is like a meta. Like a carno would take more than a utah, and when you see that you know without playing that carno beats utah in most cases. I see that with deinos and stegos, and i dont want an easy fight. A lot of players fighting stegos say the same, that it feels like you cant do anything. You will attack him for getting to near the water, you will trade 1 bite and he will hit you with the tail and with that you lost the trade of damage, so you have to go back in water to not die ( because they can hit quick with the tail since when you are trying to turn around you already have 3 hits on ) and then they will drink peacefully because they know you are not a threat. And of course the classics 2 or 3 deinos fighting one stego and trying to not let him drink water but it is useless.
I just want those 5 hours to be a little bit more meaningful in that sense, and with that very low paced style of gameplay

[zenith lion]

it has been a pleasure, and Im happy that we agree more than in what we disagree, but i want to go to do some other things

Have a great night !

i will read the last one

[wide tulip]

Erik stop repyling to him

[golden coral]

@zenith lion But utah is better at hunting stego than carno is, despite carno growing for longer. See the point? Deino grows the same time, but there's a difference in how they work never the less. And that's what you need to take into account as well. If you're just looking at "will carno beat utah", sure. But that's not because of growth times only, that's because of what carno is designed to be and do. If you want to hunt stego, you'd rather grow a utah with two others, than carno, despite carno looking like it might be more powerful.

[wide tulip]

he's never going to figure it out

[zenith lion]

Indeed, i agree on that. Utah is more suitable for killing a stego because of his mobility, in a pack of course. Carno is not supposed to kill 1vs1 a stego, but in a pack they can be really dangerous too. I get your point and agree on the most part. I still think a little buff in damage will not be that bad and will make more good than bad. You need to be able to defend your only suitable habitat ( the river ), if you cant against something that is not bigger neither heavier, then i dont see the point in the 5 hours. I dont think we will get to a common point here, lets see what the devs will do about it.
And again , nice night to you !

[glossy elbow]

@ripe zinc wha L2P mean?

[ripe zinc]

Lol now I feel old, it means learn2play. There is plenty food for herbivores, go towards open fields and sniff for bushes.

[grave veldt]

food is pretty random rn just wait for the diets update

[jolly roost]

After reading all that, i kept thinking to myself 'just lunge, its one shot'

[glossy elbow]

@low nimbus you even think that you need more practice with using the stego? It takes one hit with the stego adult tail swing to kill a utah and unless they ambushed you then you would've been killed but idk sinc there was 12 maybe you have a good reason to die and you became a snack for the utah to chew on for a while

[low nimbus]

It’s not hard to pounce a stego with 3 Utahs.

After they pounce and get away, legit just let it bleed, and if it bucked, it’s out of stam. Go in and just bite it.

[glossy elbow]

If i were you i would stand my ground and try to hit as many a possible or run in the water or away from the pack of dinos

But once you run out of stam you pretty much dead but couldn't they just raise the stam on the stegom

[low nimbus]

There were deinos in the water.

Stegos can’t stand their ground against a pack of Utahs. Like I said, pounce it and make it buck (buck system is ass as it uses too much stam for no good) and it’s dead

Stego stam regen while standing is horrid too. Couldn’t wallow because they’d just attack more.

[glossy elbow]

I would say just give it time since its still in development and there is a lot they could change to the game

[sinful cove]

What stego needs is an AOE sweep with its tail that deals less damage but fucks up swarming smalls like utah packs

Stego is pretty sad in the crowd control department

[glossy elbow]

Just like a little swipe instead of a full swipe?

[sinful cove]

A sweep with its tail, an AOE, right now he just has a jab that doesnt cover much area considering what his tail is capable of

[low nimbus]

Yeah I’d agree with that.

[golden coral]

@low nimbus I mean, 12 utahs is one and a half pack, if you're solo stego, then at that point you should die. You might be able to kill some of them, but you really should not come out of that one alive at all. Nor should the two tennos with you.

[glossy elbow]

Aoe?

[stark knoll]

area of effect

[low nimbus]

Yeah, but that isn’t the point. It’s how easily three Utahs crippled my stego.

[golden coral]

So noted, on that account I do agree, it should take at least 5-6 of them for a decent chance, and 7-8 for a more or less guaranteed kill. 3-4 should not be enough to do much more than be irritating.

[low nimbus]

Yes I totally agree

I’m going to indulge on watermelon cause I’m sad

[glossy elbow]

That you lost a adult stego?

[low nimbus]

yes but it was deserved as they had 12

I’ll get over It in 4 mins lol

[sinful cove]

If utah packs are easy enough to sustain at that size on a somewhat regular basis, things that can't escape (like stego) should be compensated with proper defenses so they arent just sentenced to death if they happen to be spotted by megapacks

[glossy elbow]

Yeah how long does it take to grow to adult stego

[sinful cove]

I see a lot of huge utah packs in videos, even huge carno packs

[stark knoll]

5hr

[sinful cove]

5hours

[low nimbus]

Yeah 5 hours to be taken down by basically 3 Utahs is sad

[glossy elbow]

Yeah

[low nimbus]

You just shouldn’t buck lol

Buck is horrid

Trees are better

[glossy elbow]

If i ever play as stego again i want to just find a bush next to water then ill be happy

[low nimbus]

Wtf lmao I was a juvi carno and I just killed a deino, was eating it, and got ambushed by an adult deino from BEHIND me while I was looking at the water

I was like 20 ft from the water too lmao

[sinful cove]

Dude probably creeped around from the side to jump you out if spite lol

[low nimbus]

I was only eating it for a few seconds he had to have been already up there

[golden coral]

That's why they do that, because you don't expect it at all!

[red musk]

just reading through everything see a lot of good points with stego and the deinos but theres always that one comment that sets me off when people say "todays crocs only hunt deer fish stuff like that" please for the love of god stop thats today the deino was alive 75 million years ago and was said to have weigh more than a rex one of the strongest bite force on earth along side the sarcosuchus. It is indeed a game the deino is fine for now but once bigger things get added i wouldnt mind seeing changes done maybe not more bite force but raise its weight higher or even give an option if lunging at a larger dino maybe bone break, or maybe who can tap a button faster if deino wins then youll stumble in the water if the deino loses youll be thrown weaken and low on stam just my thoughts..

[azure hinge]

why does it feel like deinos just get bullied all day?

[low nimbus]

cause most of them are stupid

If you go on land as a deino expect to be bullied

[azure hinge]

it just seems like every other full grown species just crowds the south spawn points for deinos

and unless you have deep water to avoid the full grown carnos and such you get killed pretty easily

as long as like you said the carnos or utahs arent stupid it should be easy

I feel like their should be a bit more of a punish to things that go into the water, like movement slowing down instead of just jumping in and out of water like its air

[low nimbus]

There is a punishment for going into the water

Deinos can grab things in the water as they're swimming

[dim radish]

When you are in shallow water or outside not it, expect to have a disadvantage

[low nimbus]

Deinos can grab carnos and drag them in ( full adult carnos )

[dim radish]

Deino just needs more deeper water and wider rivers

Like the lazy river from V3

[azure hinge]

i agree but i also think other dinos should have a bit of a movement slow in like full leg deep water where they shouldnt be able to sprint full spreed through

like its air

[stark knoll]

they do

[azure hinge]

Oh well I couldnt tell at all on my utah

[ripe zinc]

@tender violet But carno does turn slow, a utah can easily run circles around it, and if you make it turn too sharply so it skids it stands still for a good couple of seconds for a free pounce.

[daring sleet]

I was wondering if most herbivores could graze in field grass and fill their food bar all the way, but at a much slower rate since it is not their intended bush/tree. This way it makes them more vulnerable to carnivores. It would also be a permanent alternative food supply if they wanted to risk it.

[tender violet]

its really not that slow at all and its skid stand still is only like half a second@ripe zinc

[vernal sentinel]

a bit late but animal that is meant to be strong in packs is strong in packs?! no way! 😮

[dim radish]

That's already in the game mate

[mellow zenith]

Grazing only fill 20% of your stomac, you cannot go beyond that

[alpine plover]

SMH. I can’t believe multiple highly intelligent 500 kilogram predators with massive claws and sharp teeth can kill a large animal in a decently sized group!☹️😦👎 scam game!

[gaunt jackal]

RAliSm iS alWaYs GOoD, No the isle is a jurrasic park inspirerad game with dinos that lived milions of years apart and also humans exsist and are the creators of these dinos and another tiny tiny Side note the humans are geneticly engenering the dinos to creat the perfect animal aka magnar

[alpine plover]

Realism sucks more often than not, especially for a game like this

[gaunt jackal]

I can enjoy it but i have accepted and is 100% ok with the isle being unrelestic but wouldent mind relistic mods that add featherd dinos and more realism over all but no animal game can become an simulator bc ai and humans cant replicate irl animals bc ai and humans more often than not do stuf the most efective way like runing full sprint to water even tho its not needed or just the huge logical thinking advantege humans and ai have over animals

[ripe zinc]

Tell that to all the carnos who couldn't hit me if their lives depended on it. It often does.

[modest carbon]

Bucking is kinda useless sometimes, stuffing your face in a tree works better than bucking

[grave veldt]

bucking isnt too bad its good when theres a few utahs like 1-2 3 max

after that use a tree

it so much better

[modest carbon]

Did they fix the buck interrupting bug?

When ur bucking and a second utah pounces it just cancels the bucking

[grave veldt]

for me bucking is just bugged in general

its E to buck right?

or did they change it again

[modest carbon]

Bucking is wacko

I wish teno bucking had cc

It's literally kicking

[grave veldt]

like yesterday i let a utah pounce me to test bucking as stego

but it just didnt activate

idk y

[modest carbon]

But any second utah can just hop on in the middle of a bucking animation free of cc

Stego bucking is sooooo slow

[grave veldt]

its fine

but imo larger animals that have slow bucking should do even more stam drain

it balances it out then

[modest carbon]

Yeah

[grave veldt]

hard to keep on a 6 ton animal when its flailing around

[modest carbon]

I might make a suggestion about that

And stego rears as well

[grave veldt]

also ye something needs to be done about bucking in general

its super wonky and it just doesnt work sometimes

[modest carbon]

The fact that a tree works better than the actual mechanic is bogus

[grave veldt]

fr

[modest carbon]

It takes 2 bucking animations as tenonto

[grave veldt]

trees r meant to help u

not to use as a crutch

[modest carbon]

To drain a utah

[grave veldt]

rn trees r literally the only thing u can use

[modest carbon]

Yeah

Because water is a bit taken by deinos

[grave veldt]

ye water is off the plate now

u have to use trees although in defense of them

theres palm trees in the open quite a few

so its not too big an issue

[modest carbon]

Running and bucking as a tenonto should drain faster

[grave veldt]

^

[modest carbon]

I'm gonna make a suggestion because this is a bit bogus

[grave veldt]

pls do

[wheat field]

You’re insane, stego would be played by every single herbi in the game

3-3.5hrs is so little

[grave veldt]

wow 3 hours?

holy balls

imagine 3 hours to grow one of the most powerful dinos in the game stat wise

[lament cloak]

@silver barn I think you an I have different definitions of easy. two carnos definitly cannot take down a stego easy, at least not a good stego.

[grave veldt]

a good stego can reliably take one 3-4 carnos by itself

and more depedning on the carnos skill

i just fought 4 carnos yesterday

[silver barn]

Yes but stego are to slow

[grave veldt]

thats the point lol

[lament cloak]

thats literally the point

[grave veldt]

u cant have something one shotting things running at light speed

the point of stego is having massive dmg and bleed with medium/ low-ish hp

[silver barn]

No carno are to fast and esay to grow

[grave veldt]

thats the point

their supposed to be the fastest dino to be added

[lament cloak]

if anything stegos growth time needs to be increased in the future. there is no way a stego is outrunning rex meaning it has to be on par with rex in a 1v1 fight, if not stronger

[grave veldt]

but then again they said deinos would be 6 hours and yet it is 5

possibility for rex to take 5 hours as well

[hollow canyon]

Stego is still easier to grow than Carno

[grave veldt]

we dont know

[hollow canyon]

It might take longer but it's easier to do

[frosty heron]

Pseudo Apex 1v1 an Apex? Nah

[lament cloak]

if I had to guess all the growth times will be increased with diets because you would be able to get growth speed buffs by following the correct diet

[grave veldt]

nah more like yah

[silver barn]

Ok it list make stegosaurus make bone crash affect

[grave veldt]

stego is 100% gonna be slower then rex it needs to reliably defend itself

[frosty heron]

No in a million years

[grave veldt]

lol

ok then

not gonna bother arguing with u

[frosty heron]

Trike sure, Stego nope

[lament cloak]

the game isnt balanced by tiers. and stego HAS to be able to fight rex, otherwise rex is going to have to be snail speed

[grave veldt]

^

[frosty heron]

Shitty stamina instead

[grave veldt]

doesnt matter once the rex sees the stego even if it has shitty stam it'll just run it down n kill it

[frosty heron]

Then don't reply my messages

[silver barn]

I hate fuking trex it ruines the game its to powerful

[grave veldt]

ur the one who came in here and replied to me lol

[lament cloak]

it really isnt

[grave veldt]

it rly doesnt ruin the game lol

its not even in evrima yet so we dont know anything

[frosty heron]

Think you don't get the point of shitty stamina, did you ever played Rex on Legacy before? There you go

[grave veldt]

exactly that was the big issue with stego in legacy

[frosty heron]

?

[silver barn]

Think about its fast and good health and good powerful teath

[lament cloak]

the only "gamebreaking" dinos there will be are ones with very unique abilities, such as utahraptors pouce. that is pretty hard to balance

[grave veldt]

a 6 ton dino with giant spikes should have a good chance at killing a rex

[lament cloak]

since when is rex fast? it is easily the second/third slowest carnivore coming to the game (on land)

[silver barn]

But that dinos it toooooo fukimg slow

[frosty heron]

Considering Rex it gonna take longer to grow and also will be harder. Rex should body a Stego if it's on its stamina pool

[grave veldt]

do u know it will take longer?

[frosty heron]

Using the logic of "my Dino weights this vs this"

[frosty heron]

It will

[grave veldt]

that doesnt always work

how do u know it will take longer??

[hollow canyon]

Rex has a very fast trot in Evrima going by its animation. It seems like it's not much slower than Stego's running speed.

[grave veldt]

source?

[frosty heron]

Source? Dude it's obvious, Legacy Rex was 6 hours, Evrima probably will be around 7-8 hours

[grave veldt]

how do u know lol

things change

deino was said to be 6 hours for awhile guess what

its 5

[frosty heron]

Those animations could be changed in a future, there very early

[hollow canyon]

The devs have said that they don't consider Stego an apex so it's quite obvious that Rex is going to take longer to grow.

[frosty heron]

Deino isn't as powerful to make it 6 hours

[lament cloak]

weight isnt the only thing that matters, stego have plenty of advantages. for starters having a weapon on your tail allows you to keep your weakspot away from the rex, and with evrima turning rex is going to have a hard time getting there. Second of all, meter long spikes getting jabbed into your face is going to hurt pretty badly

[silver barn]

We need rex to beweak against poisonous dinosaurs

[grave veldt]

again theres no confirmation on growth times until the dino comes out

idc what anyone says

[frosty heron]

I can counter argument that extremist Herbie main mentallity with "Rex has shit powerful Jaws that can turn Stego head into a can of soda" but I wouldn't because this is a game and people seem to forget that

[grave veldt]

same can be said for stego a tail spike would probably not feel too good

[silver barn]

Or make the dinos that have the 2 big spikes have charge attack faster then then th rex

[lament cloak]

I just said, good luck getting to a stegos head with the evrima turning mechanics, all while getting swung upon by meter long spikes

[silver barn]

Or make the dinos that have the 2 big spikes have charge attack faster then then th rex

[grave veldt]

all im saying is if rex is going to be stronger stego needs to either be faster or rex needs to have rly shitty stam (which in my opinion isnt that fun)

even with shitty stam u'll prolly still be able to get the stego anyways if its not as strong as a rex

[frosty heron]

And people still complaining about Stego being weak then, or being worried about getting killed by bigger animals, seriously Stego 1vs1 a Rex is as stupid as a Carno 1v1 a Stego

[lament cloak]

so many people underestimate a stego because its only 5-6 tons, even though it has one of, if not the strongest weapon of any animal coming to the game

[grave veldt]

its rly isnt lol rex is only 2 tons heavier

[silver barn]

Or make rex traking relly and make rex drain his food fast

[grave veldt]

and stego has giant tail spikes that could easily hit a rex

their pretty comparable tbh

its not like stego is a small herbivore

[frosty heron]

I will stick to Rex have shit stamina pool so you can run away if you spot the Rex on time and they will have to ambush properly

[frosty heron]

Neither is the biggest, if you want dinos capable of 1v1 a Rex you will have Trike, even Shant will be stronger eventually

[grave veldt]

or stego

[lament cloak]

this is just wrong, stego is 3.3 times heavier than a carno, while rex is only 1.5 times heavier than a stego. (according to nova size chart sizes)

[grave veldt]

why do u downplay stego so much lol

i dont get it

do u not like this specific dino?

[azure hinge]

stego should be able to kil it easy

[frosty heron]

Bet people won't be happy if an Acro is capable to 1v1 a Stego right?

[grave veldt]

i mean it could tbh acro is quite large although rex would have an easier time

[lament cloak]

no because stego has the most powerful weapon in the game, that more than makes up for the 2.5 ton gap between rex and stego

[frosty heron]

If I dislike the Stego I wouldn't play it ever, thing I did, I just hate the people who plays it and thinks it should be an unstoppable and untouchable creature

[grave veldt]

it shouldnt be unstoppable

but that doesnt mean it should be weak either to things near its category

[frosty heron]

Basically Herbie main extremist, I really like the herbs on Evrima, just not their mains sometimes

[lament cloak]

we are asking for it to be on par with rex in a 1v1, stego is good at fighting slow big things, it struggles more against groups of smaller things.

[grave veldt]

^

[lament cloak]

i dont understand how being on par with rex is making it untouchable

[azure hinge]

i mean all i ever see on stegos is them walking around in groups of 2-3 full growns killing every other dino in sight

[frosty heron]

I'm still watching those suggestions on Utahs killing a Stego being stupid. Idk

[azure hinge]

that doesnt seem right

[grave veldt]

well 1-2 utahs rly shouldnt be a threat at all to a stego even if the stego is of average skill

[frosty heron]

And they aren't, you should watch some content creators playing Stego

Such as DragonzZ

[grave veldt]

i dont need to watch them

i play stego and ive fought many utahs b4

[frosty heron]

And how many times you died to 2 Utahs?

[grave veldt]

well for me never becuz ive practiced with stego ik what to do

but utah isnt rly the main argument here neither am i complaining about it

the main argument is that stego should be able to reliably defend itself from a rex

[frosty heron]

Then what's the issue? Support that stuff accordingly to the things you've done yourself

[grave veldt]

?

utahs arent the argument here

we were conversing about stego and rex

[frosty heron]

Yet again I still support the idea of Rex being an ambusher so Stego can run away if it spots it on time so Stego mains can drop the "But Stego can't run away" argument

[grave veldt]

even if it has low stam it'll still be able to catch it anyways if its close enough

[frosty heron]

Rex without stamina and with ridiculously bad regen shouldn't

Trot shouldn't be fast neither

[grave veldt]

i dont see the issue on why stego cant defend itself from a predator thats in a similar category as itself

[frosty heron]

You're asking for a 50/50 scenario which is too much

[grave veldt]

why?

[azure hinge]

cause i dont think a stego alone should ever be able to take on a rex

[grave veldt]

stego is slower its the rex who gets to figure out whether they want to fight the stego at all

[frosty heron]

Again, grow times, weight difference

[grave veldt]

again no confirmations on growth times

and weight means not much

[frosty heron]

I'll note this out

[grave veldt]

deino is heavier then stego but look at it

[azure hinge]

weight means a lot and so does t rexes bite force

[grave veldt]

no weight doesnt mean too much in evrima

[frosty heron]

Deino it's an aquatic creature, Rex it's a land predator

It probably need to hunt big things

[grave veldt]

ok cool but i dont see the issue on why it cant defend itself

[azure hinge]

deino is just not balanced correctly at all

[frosty heron]

I never said it can't, but not on a 50/50

[azure hinge]

and neither is stego

[grave veldt]

it should be on a 50/50

thats the fairest match up

[frosty heron]

Specially if we count the future pack Limits which Rex will be 2 probably

[grave veldt]

Remember that the rex starts the fight the stego cant

u cant give something a disadvantage when its already slow

[frosty heron]

Bruh I hate too much this argument seriously, of course Rex needs to hunt

[grave veldt]

uh trike? shant?

every other creature coming?

plenty of creatures to hunt

[frosty heron]

Yeah sure all those creatures that probably will be stronger than it

[grave veldt]

not if u ambush it

or take it with a friend

[wheat field]

Eh on the trike, shant 100%

[frosty heron]

Oh hell no, you can't base survivality on grouping

[grave veldt]

should be the opposite tbh

[grave veldt]

ofc but in general even if ur not with a friend an ambush can mean the end of either of these dinosaurs

considering a rexes bite

and whatever special abilites it may get

[wheat field]

Anyone else think some dinos should get some form of ambush ability

[frosty heron]

I highly doubt Rex will take on a Shant even by ambushing

[grave veldt]

god no that thing was so annoying in legacy'glad its gone

[slim dragon]

If by ambush, you mean speed boost, then no

[grave veldt]

it def could

a shant while it may be large doesnt have any actual notable weapons

[frosty heron]

It's weight would be tho

[grave veldt]

yes but what else

its got weight and

[slim dragon]

Claws, head

[grave veldt]

claws?

[slim dragon]

Can literally trample a rex to death

[wheat field]

I liked Legacy ambush but that’s just me tbh

[lament cloak]

trike is honestly a perfect counter to rex. I could see rex killing a shant quite often. just look at it, there are no weapons on shant other than sheer size. its like a guy with a machete vs a sumo wrestler.

[grave veldt]

weapons matter a lot

things like a maia wouldnt be able to fight an allo but a diablo has the possibility to

[slim dragon]

Yeah but Shant is so massive it'd get the upper hand anyway

[wheat field]

Diablo vs Allo is = to Trike vs Rex change my mind

[grave veldt]

yes def

[frosty heron]

Eeh at this point I'll just drop the discussion, people just hates Rex for what I've seen and they don't want it to be killing herbs

[grave veldt]

i was thinking this actually lol

[frosty heron]

We still dragging bad stuff from Legacy...

[grave veldt]

so i said stego should atleast have a 50/50 with rex considering its slower and now rex cant hunt anything? ok

[frosty heron]

Again I said if Rex gets shitty Stam playstile, being slower wouldn't be an issue

If you run out of Stam as Rex, good bye prey

[wheat field]

Not really Stego seems more pseudo with its weight class and considering on how big they made deino it is hard to tell how outclassed or equal apexes will be. To make inferences like these we need to let the 1st apex come out look at its stats and base our knowledge on that

[modest carbon]

Pretty excited for rex concept art tho

[grave veldt]

i mean u can call it a pseudo apex but imo its generally an apex it has the size and a decent weight

[wheat field]

Based on how they tortured alberto im not all that excited

[grave veldt]

like its not massive but its big enough with a pretty decent weight

[slim dragon]

Still bragging about Alberto ? Just compare it to legacy alberto and agree that it has improved a lot

[modest carbon]

Well I meant more like carno, utah, and galli concept art were we get to see action moments

[grave veldt]

id say stego is the bridge between apex and pseudo apex actually

[frosty heron]

The only thing I can hold myself into, it's Punch answering a question saying that Rex obviously wouldn't be weak

[wheat field]

😑

[grave veldt]

honestly just want an apex carnivore to come out to see how they balance things

[wheat field]

Bruh

What did i say

[grave veldt]

not yet ofc

[frosty heron]

Hey we can agree people hates the Rex a lot

[grave veldt]

it got a bad wrap for being op for no reason in legacy so thats probably why

[wheat field]

Herbis hate rex mid-tiers hate rex Shants love rex cause it is the only thing that will fight them besides giga

[frosty heron]

It honestly wasn't OP on Legacy, Giga was ever better if you think on it

[wheat field]

Oh rexy i draw the line there

[wheat field]

Rex was brain dead broken

[frosty heron]

But that's a thing to discuss in another time

[grave veldt]

i mean technically yea it was giga who was actually pretty broken as well rex was still way too good for no reason

[frosty heron]

I can argument you it wasn't, but not here

[grave veldt]

only dino with bone break? like why lol

well whatever this is why we have evrima

[wheat field]

If you were a rex fighting another carni you were absolute ass if you lost to anything besides a dilo

[frosty heron]

Think twice, remove the bonebreak to legacy Rex and it will turn from good to useless just because that "OP mechanic"

[grave veldt]

this is why they should've gave it to more things

not just rex

[wheat field]

Rex had the best DPS in the game 🧐

Besides shant and cama

[grave veldt]

anky shant trike and other things should've all had bone break

[wheat field]

Not trike or shant

[grave veldt]

shant stomping u?

sounds like it would break a few bones

[frosty heron]

Worst Stam, bad trot, bad bleed, remove the bonebreak and you can laught to a Rex face

[wheat field]

On the skull your dead not bone broken

[grave veldt]

ye but if u get the body a bone break seems fine

[frosty heron]

Why Trike sucks so bad on Legacy haven't you thought on it?

[wheat field]

You mean on your fucking spine

You’d be paralyzed

[grave veldt]

were talking about legacy rexes can survive a stomp to the body

[wheat field]

Thought you were talking bout location dmg for bonebreak for shant?

[grave veldt]

oh no

i meant legacy if shant had bb

in evrima were getting fractures

plus a stomp would end pretty much anything

[wheat field]

Same thing different name and less severe till it is bonebreak

[grave veldt]

i mean its still different enough to warrant its own name

[wheat field]

Bonebreak rework

[grave veldt]

no more rexes biting the tail of something and bone break

locational dmg is one of the best things added

[wheat field]

Wonder how that’s gonna work, lemme just crouch down and break your legs real quick

[grave veldt]

lol

it'll prolly be weight dependent

[wide tulip]

Fall damage
Reduced across the board as future proofing for the fracture system.

I was right

you guys MOCKED me

but here i am, in the patch noites

[grave veldt]

lol

well i didnt mock u

actually i havent spoken about fall dmg at all

[rapid bison]

I never thought i would see the day of someone genuinely thinking that dryo is op

[grave veldt]

lol

so uh

deino got swimming lunge thats pretty lit

hopefully its hitboxes and stuff is fixed now

[earnest notch]

Hi how many damage for croc now please

[wheat field]

Same as last time 🙃

[earnest notch]

lol no stego nerf ?

[azure hinge]

im curious on why people are so against deino buff? especially since the buff will basically be around water only combat type buff to make sure they arent op outside of the water

from what I saw on the stress servers they were constantly camped by carnos and stegos and utahs unless their was a MAX growth deino was around to protect even the medium sized deinos

to me it seemed like nothing feared the water and in fact everything wanted to go near the water to have some fun with the water creatures ( clearly not scared of crocs being in the water )

and I wouldnt even say that deinos need a large buff at all, maybe just nerf swim speeds or how something like a utah or carno interacts with water, maybe slowing them down more

[slim dragon]

Swim speeds are already low enough

The only problem is how shallow some rivers are

And the fact deino's bite as buggy dunring stress tests

[azure hinge]

that just doesnt feel right to me though that ive seen deinos just being camped by stegos carnos utahs and just not caring that there is water jumping over them and like you said shallow water that doesnt slow down movement at all

[dim radish]

@meager timber I don't think troll suggestions are allowed. Had a good laugh tho

[grave veldt]

bro

its almost as bad as the gay nesting suggestion

[dim radish]

Yes

[grave veldt]

lmao

[meager timber]

Deino is way too weak

2 years of fucking waiting and lunge not even working correct

[dim radish]

[grave veldt]

lol

[spare badger]

It will be buffed eventually when rex comes out you aren't supposed to fight as a deino it ain't a rex

You wait and lunge

[grave veldt]

u said its funny that herbs are stronger then carnis in this game

lol

[dim radish]

Bro your suggestion is worse than us being sarcastic about your crocroach

[grave veldt]

have u seen elephants?

hippos?

all herbis

def a troll suggestion no way

[dim radish]

Yeah

No way that's true

“Deino should bite stego head and one shot“

No way that's serious

[spare badger]

That's not how balance works...

[wheat field]

Realistic but unbalanced

[spare badger]

And balance should come first in a game

Unless.its saurian

[grave veldt]

balance thrown out the window cuz deino needs its 10k bite force right

[wheat field]

XD

[wheat field]

Nah bro 100k cause realism

[grave veldt]

lmao

[dim radish]

Deino needs to take down 10 stegos on land amr?

[meager timber]

Because it is

[spare badger]

Haha

[grave veldt]

i wonder why

[spare badger]

Cause Utah's and carnos should be able to take on a STEGOSAURUS

[grave veldt]

maybe its cuz the only big land dino is a carno

lol

[spare badger]

Balance required

Lol

[grave veldt]

no shit their stronger lol wait till other apexes come out

[wheat field]

Carno size got nerfed 🥳

[grave veldt]

yee

[spare badger]

Yes teno too

[grave veldt]

same with teno

[meager timber]

Fucking alligator who had stronger jaws than t rex can't 1 shot carno but stego can

[grave veldt]

their finally their accurate sizes

[spare badger]

They grow quicker too

[grave veldt]

stego cant first of all also u can one shot it with lunge

[dim radish]

Same as ptera skimming. Which I hate

[grave veldt]

also stego is meant to hit hard and deal massive bleed

thats what stego is

[spare badger]

Yes

Big spikes do big damage

[grave veldt]

theres a reason deino doesnt have 130i40909490 bite force

[spare badger]

And anyway crocodiles irl don't crush their victims they drown them

[grave veldt]

once its in the water u can kill it anyways

plus with the new update u can now lunge while swimming thank god

[spare badger]

Have you seen a croc attack a zebra? It doesn't instant ko it

[meager timber]

Im wondering how much t rex biteforce will have

[grave veldt]

who knows

900-1000

maybe more depending on what happens

stego should be the 2nd hardest hitting dinosaur tbh

[meager timber]

Propaly under 1000 because iT wIlL bE tOo oP

[wheat field]

Eh

[spare badger]

But do not forget they have different type of teeth so they do different things

[grave veldt]

behind anky

[wheat field]

Shant and cama be like 😑

[spare badger]

Brachi?

[grave veldt]

gonna ignore shant cama and brachi cuz their like

actually

[wheat field]

Same thing

[spare badger]

Chonkers

[grave veldt]

shant isnt a sauropod so we'll say that stego would be the third hardest hitting dino

[wheat field]

Stomp go Stomp

[grave veldt]

brachi stomp imagine

gotta say now that i can change textures and clouds the game looks rly good

[wheat field]

Im at school so i gotta wait another damn hour cause i got AP tests up my ass

[grave veldt]

oof

[spare badger]

Same

But online second class

[grave veldt]

i remeber doing ap tests b4

[dim radish]

Okay, let me explain this to you.
Deino is an ambush hunter. This is not legacy, where you press left click to win.
Bite force is not everything, because else, humans could defeat a cheetah with their biteforce alone, which obviously won't happen

[wheat field]

One word for AP Tests “Cancer”

[grave veldt]

many things go into account for what a fight is\

not just bite force

[azure hinge]

i dont understand all the hate on deinos i mean i agree some people have unrealistic expectations for a buff that would make them insane but they clearly arent balanced in terms of what they are limited to doing

[wheat field]

Deinos biteforce is related to grip which the isle N system us not accommodated to implement such

[spare badger]

Types of teeth
Serrated
Connical
Etc

[grave veldt]

^

dont forget about other weapons like ur size, tusks, horns, frills, etc

[spare badger]

Deinos and spinos had conn8cal to hold onto prey like fish

[azure hinge]

deino skin is technically one of the strongest plates there is though as well

[spare badger]

Rex had serrated to cut flesh

[wheat field]

Deino biteforce = grip strength more than dmg

[grave veldt]

actually i hope deino gets a small armor thing for its back and tail

[spare badger]

Yes cause I can assure a deino as a baby teno it's dumb

[azure hinge]

well they give them a high bleed resistance i think because of that fact

[spare badger]

Also it can't wallow either

[wheat field]

That

[spare badger]

What do y'all think about the growth time reductions?

[azure hinge]

yeah but deino still gets bullied all day is what i notice so either other things are too strong in some aspects or deinos are too weak

[grave veldt]

intersting

[wheat field]

Not very cool gamer

[grave veldt]

i mean

utah and teno should've stayed the same imo

dryo and carno going down is fine tbh

[spare badger]

Now there is a bigger gap between steg and Deino to the others

[grave veldt]

ye

now one utah killing a stego looks even worse

[spare badger]

Makes them feel like apexes

Well they nerfed pounce

[grave veldt]

well bucking seems to be a lot better so

[spare badger]

And buffed bucking

Yea

[grave veldt]

ye

i almost said something much worse then bucking

auto correct smh

[spare badger]

Lol

4 Utah pounces shouldn't kill a steg anymore

They also changed.bleed.and nerfed baby stego

[grave veldt]

it doesnt anymore and even more so now that they buffed bucking

plus since its bleed its much better

[spare badger]

Ye

[grave veldt]

since u can heal the bleed easier and its something u can control

[spare badger]

And you bleed out faster when you move

[grave veldt]

ye

[spare badger]

And you must wallow and sit to stop bleeding fully

[grave veldt]

ye

good thing tbh

[spare badger]

Yea

Bleed is no longer useless when mud is around

[wheat field]

Ayo so how does deino survive bleed if it becomes lethal

[spare badger]

It has built in bleed resistance

[wheat field]

Keyword lethal

[spare badger]

Uhh idk then lol

[grave veldt]

lol

[spare badger]

Sit?

[grave veldt]

well i mean idk how u would get to lethal bleed levels unless ur play un smartly

[spare badger]

True

[wheat field]

Mans really just said good luck bitch 😂

[spare badger]

Sucho and spino aren't in yet so just swim away

[grave veldt]

lol

ayo u can legit sit n water to circumvent eveyr threat

[spare badger]

And don't fight stegos

[grave veldt]

apart from ur own kind so

[spare badger]

Yea

[wheat field]

Tbh deinos are the deadliest thing to deinos

[spare badger]

Yes

[grave veldt]

this is fax

ive yet to die as a deino to anything

but other deinos

[wheat field]

Same

Besides the server saying adult deino go bye bye

[grave veldt]

ha

that too

[spare badger]

Lol not anymore we can play on not official servers now

[grave veldt]

true dat

[sleek iron]

😔😔😔 carnivores weak guys!!!!!

[sinful cove]

The amount of salt from deino players because they can't oneshot everything in the game is honestly sad

[azure hinge]

i dont think deinos are saying they should 1 shot anything

[sinful cove]

1k bite force

They oneshot everything with lunge except a stego above 70% so that is why they are crying clearly

[spare badger]

Yes

[sinful cove]

With 1k bite deino would be viable to fight large animals on land and thats not what it is supposed to be

[spare badger]

Crocodiles don't attack elephants rhinos or hippos for a reason lol

[azure hinge]

hence why maybe other things should be nerfed like movement speed in water or make it so utahs cant jump over water

[sinful cove]

Deino needs bigger and deeper water sources, fixed hitboxes and more utility against swimming targets, that's it

[azure hinge]

or maybe a slow mechanic if something is bit on the bank

[sinful cove]

No problem with utahs jumping over narrow rivers but there needs to be more wide deep rivers

[spare badger]

Yes

[sinful cove]

Plus deino is going to get an upwards lunge at some point so maybe you can grab jumping utahs mid jump thatd be fun

[azure hinge]

i think a distance of a jump shouldnt be across wide rivers as they do currently

[feral axle]

what max weight for utah

[spare badger]

600kg?

I think?

[feral axle]

i dont think so

u sapwn in as 10kg

[sinful cove]

Isnt he like 750kg idek maybe that was his hp not his weight

[feral axle]

spawn*

[stark knoll]

500kg for utah

[sinful cove]

Oh

[spare badger]

Ty

[feral axle]

i think it less now tho

[stark knoll]

he used to be like 700 or 750

[spare badger]

I was close lol

We need some wide, deep rivers

Y'know the cliche
Oh no there is a wide croc infested river that they must cross for their migration

Type of rivers

[sinful cove]

Yeah thats what we need

Not giant op croc biting people in half with braindead click spam from potato IQ legacy rex mains who can't be bothered to use a special ability that is strong enough to kill most of the things they claim to be harassed by

[spare badger]

^^^^^

[azure hinge]

okay but thats pretty easy to say no to

make the buff around water

so lets take huge bite force out of the talk

[verbal moth]

Did they fix the deinos hit box?

[azure hinge]

wasnt on patch notes at all so id assume not

id say before they make big changes to anything deino just fix hit box

and see how that helps them out

like i said that alone is a buff no need to give 1k bite force

[verbal moth]

The deino had a stronger bite than Rex irl so it should have a op bite force

[sinful cove]

Have more deep wide rivers, terrestrials would have to walk a ways around to avoid them if they want to reach a destination so they are encouraged to risk a crossing. Deinos should have a swimming grab and terrestrials should have their weight values halved while they are swimming, allowing deino to snare large things in water that they wouldn't be able to on land. Deino should deal fracture damage, minimal to larger animals but crippling to smalls like utah. There, ezpz no change to bite force and not a viable land brawler

[stark knoll]

bite force in game is in no way correlated to actual bite force

[sinful cove]

Funny joke

[stark knoll]

in fact, it isnt bite force at all

the Newton label in game means actually nothing

[azure hinge]

okay but lets say they had a strong bite force because they were able to hold their prey down near water

[verbal moth]

Ik the in game isn’t accurate but they should make it stronger than a rex’s

[grave veldt]

omg why r deinos should have 3i9r58903486908349068 bite force suggestions still here

[azure hinge]

why cant that be a later down the line change

[grave veldt]

im getting tired of them

[azure hinge]

maybe injures something if they get a lunge in the water

or slows them down if something is bit in the water

doesnt need op bite force

[stark knoll]

lunge does damage

[azure hinge]

yeah but their is clearly an inbalance between fast dinos and how easily they get away from medium size deinos

[stark knoll]

whats imbalanced about it?

[verbal moth]

Or they should make it so the lunge itself is stronger than its normal bite

[grave veldt]

it is

[azure hinge]

they can run in and out of water very very easily against medium sized crocs even baby utahs dont have that hard of a time doing it

[grave veldt]

it literally one shots anything half ur weight and less

[sinful cove]

Lunge is stronger already with the fact it holds the target and is used to drown it

[grave veldt]

and ppl still talking about buffing deino

[azure hinge]

and those are just averages players able to do it, its not like they are really good players that know what they are doing

[stark knoll]

i dont see a problem with agile dinosaurs juking something meant to be extremely sluggish

[sinful cove]

Thats a big part due to the shallow water sources and no swimming grab

[stark knoll]

swimming grab was added

[sinful cove]

So no problemo except the puny rivers

[golden coral]

And that's amazing. Still the same limit as land grab though?

[grave veldt]

yea the rivers rly need to be changed honestly

[stark knoll]

yea river design is a huge problem

[stark knoll]

i believe so

[grave veldt]

rivers r way too shallow

if u dont wanna make it wide atleast make it deep

[stark knoll]

the lack of foliage underwater doesnt help either

[sinful cove]

Also more fish in swamp because deinos should be able to grow there viably as well

Their sources are rather limited

[grave veldt]

fish should be more spread around the world in general

i made a suggestion in ai feedback

[sinful cove]

Any fresh water area with a decent amount of water should have fish to support at least a couple young growing deinos

[grave veldt]

^

[sinful cove]

Im hoping theres some big chad river coming in the unreleased parts of the map im sure the devs know its an issue right

[azure hinge]

im watchinga utah run up to the water already just biting at deinos in the water

is that okay? i get it they both arent full grown but that just seems off to me

maybe its not big deinos that need a buff at all maybe its just medium sized deinos that need to be a bit stronger

[sinful cove]

No they just need rivers that cocky jp raptors wont want to swim in to

Instead of kiddy pools

[pallid pendant]

Can anyone recap why people voted against ptera gaining a bit of stam when gliding?

[sinful cove]

Ptera is fine

Just manage your stam

[grave veldt]

its cuz ptera is mainly a glider and a fisher

even then it can still roam around quite nicely

if u manage ur stam

[spare badger]

^^^

[azure hinge]

i definitely still think there is a massive imbalance around deinos and other land animals it just seems like their is nothing punishing utahs or carnos when they get hit by an equal or slightly greater sized deino

[sinful cove]

Ive seen vids of pteras chasing and fighting while consuming very little stam too so there’s excess to mess around

[slim dragon]

Ptera>Deino from my experience

[grave veldt]

honestly

yes