balance-feedback-discussion

[cosmic pelican]

Ive seen even ceras squeeze themselves in

Especially at the south plains sanctuary

[elfin night]

If you are too big to be there you might as well be able to jump or climb inside there

[frosty jackal]

maybe for abit but if its chasing you just run behind the trees

[iron tree]

I remember seeing tenos and stegos hiding in the SP sanctuary before they enabled it

[cosmic pelican]

They still can

[viscid mica]

There are ways to make yourself fit

[elfin night]

If anything trees just make it harder to traverse and allow for slower juveniles to escape. They’re not a solid barrier

[cosmic pelican]

The little cave area has no bees

[eager saddle]

This tbh

[viscid mica]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1342574395339706430/togif.gif

[elfin night]

I once entered there as a sub cera and taught the local troodons that nesting there wasn’t a good idea

[eager saddle]

Nuh uh, only if you can’t take a joke😁

[cobalt dagger]

I see. Maybe I must be looking up more often or something.

[cosmic pelican]

Why must every anectodal fight that includes troodons end with them being mopped...

[eager saddle]

Ye, and lunge in a less horizontal angle

[cosmic pelican]

It hurts me on a physical level

[viscid mica]

you did it again!

I’m hit u out with the gif again

[elfin night]

Because troo needs buffs

[eager saddle]

What gif

[viscid mica]

[viscid mica]

#balance-feedback-discussion message

[eager saddle]

Also nuh uh, that aint ragebait

[eager saddle]

That’s a picture, not a gif :3 good picture tho

[cosmic pelican]

In HT its actually pretty good, only needing 2.5% stam for a pounce feels nice, as opposed to the old 7%.

Most troodon players have skill issues so big though that I cant even describe it 😭

[viscid mica]

Tell that to discord XD

[cosmic pelican]

No one bothers learning troodon😔

[viscid mica]

https://tenor.com/view/am-ia-joke-to-you-meme-original-video-am-ia-joke-joke-to-you-gif-27389464

[cosmic pelican]

Never seen you play🤷‍♂️

[elfin night]

I agree. Although lag spikes preventing me from playing HT troodon myself.

However, the fresh spawn speed is just abysmal 😭

[cosmic pelican]

Only if sanctuaries had ai...

[viscid mica]

Cuz you and I play at completely different times

[viscid mica]

If you can get a start it’s decent with recent buff getting started is the hard part

[cosmic pelican]

But the fact juvi troodon is slower than a chicken, while getting like 3 shot by it is so sad

[viscid mica]

Not almost all land Ai having a attack now and being faster than you

[cobalt dagger]

These days I think it does but 'fighting' deino is a matter of prevention is the best medicine, and a fight of 'wits'. You can't do much once your grabbed, but there's a lot you can do to stay away from deinos to begin with.

A lot of 'safe' drinking spots are only safe if you keep a sharp eye out. Drink in places you know are shallow, playing deino or beipi can help you scout out shallow places if the water is too murky to know. Lakes are also clear enough to see if it's shallow or not.

When drinking at a 'safe' spot, turn your dino sideways, with your left or right pointing directly out to the water. This is for 2 reasons: Less of you is pointing out into the water, giving deino less to grab onto. And you are closer to turning around to run away, or halfway 'turned around' already, making you run away faster if you see a deino running up.

MOST of my deino grabs aren't on drinkers, but people who were just hanging a little too close to the water's edge and didn't watch as I ran up on them. So, don't hang around the water's edge, if you think there are deinos.

My last suggestion is drinking in weird isolated ponds and getting saltwater drinking mutation.

Fish spawns are not consistent enough, so big deino can't survive in a tiny pond unless that tiny pond is enough of a hotspot that drinkers are common and he can crawl out to steal dead bodies. If you find a small pond (like the size of rail access pond) and it's NOT a popular location (rail access pond is.), the chance that there's a deino living in it is minimal.

It's also worth noting the pain and suffering deino faces on land migrations. They don't just conviently spawn in rail access pond. They have to migrate there, which means slowly crawling over land where a trike or diablo or stego could find and kill them. They probably have to get 'water from rain' mutation or travel fast and some die a few times before they get a deino in a place.

This makes deinos less common in isolated water.

Compared to spiro, I am very happy with deino's balance right now. Albeit, I don't mind him having the ability to live in an isolated pond that ISN'T a hotspot via having enough fish to eat, but that's sorta an ai spawning problem.

It might help pond life if the deer and pigs in the fields around you had to drink and came to you, too.

[iron tree]

I ain't reading all that

And I was being sarcastic

[cobalt dagger]

Oh...

[elfin night]

Deino is terrible 💔

[cobalt dagger]

Well, that is disappointing.

[elfin night]

Design wise, and also in terms of viability at times

Zero agency over when you eat other than fish early on

And you’re at the mercy of other deinos for most of your growth, or forever if you go solo or don’t find any other solo friendly croc

[obtuse ocean]

This true as mostly solo croc, its hell lol

[viscid mica]

Imma lose my mind with all the text walls

[cobalt dagger]

Okay. Well, I'll tell you what it's content is. It's a guide on how to never get grabbed by a deino.

[elfin night]

I tried it three times that I hit full grown and got to south river where all the food is. Never again

[obtuse ocean]

But love the grab mechanic since it does not care about the memebers of the herd/pack. Noone is coming to save you, and love that

[elfin night]

It’s just gambling, the playable

[viscid mica]

It like stego was just added to early with nothing to cause stuff to go near waters they can be and due to scaling slow can be agonizing

[iron tree]

I know how to avoid deinos

[viscid mica]

It’s pretty easy too tbh

[cobalt dagger]

Avoidance is their 'counter.'

[obtuse ocean]

Yea same, but got gutted by 3 crocs. Never again

[cobalt dagger]

You counter deino by just drinking in safe places and not getting grabbed.

[elfin night]

In my three cases, I got gutted by two deinos after I killed other two, in another I got gutted by three deinos and then in the last one I got bored and threw myself off a waterfall because safe spots are crazily unfair for deino. Either you shred others unfairly or you starve unfairly

Terrible design. Actual F tier playable gameplay wise

[viscid mica]

If you manage to get to FG it’s A tier but the grow and play cycle is a solid F

[elfin night]

Yup

[viscid mica]

Stupid hard to grow, impossible to survive other deino if they are 1% bigger and starvation is your worst enemy

[obtuse ocean]

Yea, cant argue that. But i do think they said it will have a diffrent playstyle or change it some

[elfin night]

I am looking forward to the rework

[viscid mica]

I mean the problem with deino all comes down of lack of reasons to go near rivers

There are no playables that survive off water like deino

No reason to go near when the risk is so high

[viscid mica]

Tbh I don’t expect it to be much better it won’t change fish spawns and early grow

Unless juvi deino are faster than FGs

Tbh the biggest change that deino needs is survivability from stuff bigger than you

[obtuse ocean]

You meaning spino etc ?

[viscid mica]

Stuff smaller than deino but ya their are a lot of planned semi aquatics that either aren’t semi aquatics ex teno or are way out ex minmi that would bring a lot of life to the water ways

Bary will be huge for deino survivability won’t lie

[iron tree]

Bary is gonna make Deinosuchus growth even worse

[minor axle]

When I play bary imma be in the ponds, no need to feed myself to deinos xd

[elfin night]

In all fairness all spinos below 6.1 tons are gonna be easy pickings in the water

Nowhere as fast as beipi to escape

[viscid mica]

100% early spino life you’ll wanna avoid water tbh

[elfin night]

Giant bary

[elfin night]

West rail deinos are so cooked ngl

Also lower south river deinos ngl

I actually think bary will just highlight how badly designed deino is unless the rework is godly

Unless water access and highlands like turn into south plains tier hotspots, they’re gonna be more miserable with bary groups bullying them

[viscid mica]

I mean bary has a cult following so it’s gonna be popular

Deino is player simply cuz it’s strong

Same with basically every semi aquatics

[unreal bone]

@elfin night

where can u send u a video of my average raptor gameplay

[minor axle]

Played it when it was the first aquatic, but now that beipi exists it’s overshadowed for that. I’m sure deino players will still exist but after bary, sucho, spino, and T. rex (just as a strong guy) there will probably be a lot less

[viscid mica]

You can post clips and bits here

[unreal bone]

nice, ty

[viscid mica]

Oh ya very few

[unreal bone]

https://medal.tv/games/the-isle/clips/jTvfnM6HN-L6LPZ3T?invite=cr-MSx5R1YsMzYyNzAwMzA2

[viscid mica]

Every other semi aquatic playable is more popular to deino

[unreal bone]

this is how most of my fight work out, get my ass wooped becasue buged pounces like this 90% of the time 🥲

[cosmic pelican]

120 ping 💀

[viscid mica]

Desync

[cosmic pelican]

No wonder youre getting wooped, thats some REALLY bad ping

[viscid mica]

120 isn’t the worst I’ve seen but it certainly will make something like omni fairly difficult

[viscid mica]

So basically it’s more so desync than any issue with omni it’s self, desync is a forever plague that will take a lot of time to fix and sense it’s a alpha/beta and they are constantly updating the game we won’t see amazing stability for awhile

[unreal bone]

even at 120?

i mean i know over 150 it is but 120 is going okish usualy 🥲

[cosmic pelican]

Good ping is ~30, ok ping is around 60-80, anything above that is bad

[viscid mica]

Ya good ping is 40- and you’ll be fine up to like 80 but anything above that is bad

[unreal bone]

lol, ok. did not looked at it like that

[elfin night]

Wdym?

I really don’t feel like searching up stuff

[unreal bone]

i mean this failed pounce video

[elfin night]

But if you want to, maybe tomorrow or like on Tuesday you can play with me or something. I barely played omni but I can assure you many people are gonna get rolled

Only grown Omni like 3 times unironically

In update 0 I played teno

[unreal bone]

ahh teno main, so this is where u get ur omni hate, feel u now ❤️

[viscid mica]

Ya it’s desync you bug through him because what his of and your pc saw where different and his pc was had a better connection so it choose his vision over yours

[elfin night]

Nah

[elfin night]

I am mostly a galli and beipi main nowadays

[unreal bone]

lol, that is what i call a life XD

[elfin night]

In all fairness I don’t really have that much trouble vs omnis

Unless I really want to look for trouble

They’re just lame design wise (especially pinning) once you are exposed to them permanently

And you die to garbage players because they use their free win button 😭

[slim dragon]

Name one dino in this game who doesn't have a win button

[unreal bone]

i mean it is like that but it is avoidable like u said

and if u play in groups, the bigger the group the harder for raptors

[elfin night]

Carno? Cera? Galli? Beipi? Ptera? Pachy? Teno?

All with their reasonable limitations and drawbacks

Omni on the other hand can literally one tap its own with zero risk or effort

[slim dragon]

Name one dino in this game who doesn't have a free win button except carno, cera, galli, beipi, ptera, pachy and teno

[elfin night]

Maia

[slim dragon]

Name another one

[elfin night]

There you go with another

[unreal bone]

hipsy

[elfin night]

^

[unreal bone]

trood

[slim dragon]

Damn you guys are good

It's on me, I set the bar too low

[unreal bone]

XD

[elfin night]

Only stuff imo that comes close to auto win buttons are deino, herra and stego

And all of them are restrictive

A herra is not landing more than one jump, and neither is the deino getting a second lunge

And you gotta fight the steg to get whacked and in all fairness nothing is in its league yet so of course it one taps

Omni on the other hand has no intrinsic punishment other than a little stam and then it can keep going until it gets you

[slim dragon]

Once upon a time, omni was punished for missing a pounce

Then the omni players attacked

[elfin night]

I remember those times

Dunno why they removed that

Now it’s just what I said in balance feedback

A monkey brain rmb mashing crutch

When it comes to fighting in your weight class or similar or lower

And this is proved in the clearest way possible with other omnis: whoever presses the skill button first wins

I’ve killed so many omnis with my own yesterday and it’s absurd that I don’t even hit yellow or I am in early yellow while I killed one of my own

One alt bite to the head and immediately a pin as soon as they stand up before they can fight back

So skillful

[unreal bone]

yea

canni omnis are defineltly the worst

[minor axle]

Actually the blindness is op. A hypsi blinded my spino saurus and then used my weakness to freely dismember me

[unreal bone]

u can fight back every other cannis out there but not omni

[elfin night]

It is unironically the best example to prove how unreasonably busted pinning is

Other people will be like “oh well bro but it makes sense you can pin a galli. It’s a super strong predator clawing at its prey” completely ignoring that a galli is a cassowary but multiple times larger

But there’s nothing they can say with this 😭

It’s another damn omni

[viscid mica]

Gall is faster if you get pinned it’s cuz you where Fing around and found out to be completely fair

[worthy steeple]

i agree

[elfin night]

I think there should be scenarios where a galli can’t do anything and that’s fine. In fact in my ideal version of the pounce a galli would still be bleeding enough to the point where it cannot really just do damage and run away

So it is punished anyways

[worthy steeple]

i think if pin was only doable if you pounced targets back that would actually be semi-balanced

[elfin night]

Just not condemned to death with 0 way to escape

[slim dragon]

What if galli can catapult omnis away with its legs if it gets face-pounced

And there's an achievement for if you get pounced by an omni and you catapult it to a death by fall damage

[elfin night]

I mean

It would probably look kinda dumb unless the knockdown is small

[worthy steeple]

juvie gallis should one shot fg omnis can we all agree

[elfin night]

They should stun with a running kick

[hasty coyote]

I just want pin to not be “all or nothing”, like currently you either have enough stam to 1-shot (you always will) or you don’t and it’s useless. I just want pin to give the prey a chance to escape if it’s large enough.

[vale brook]

#balance-feedback message

keep in mind you can fly across the entire map in less than 1 stam bar (and will be able to do so even easier once this HT is concluded) @rigid tulip

not to mention you regen while clinging to trees if you're above 20% stamina now

pteranodon is genuinely fine where it is and is very soon going to be made even better lol

[rigid tulip]

you just have to sit for 3 minutes after you go catch fish bro thats the unfun part

[vale brook]

cling to a tree and eat

[rigid tulip]

i understand it can glide crossmap and thats cool and all but that isn't the gameplay of the animal

[vale brook]

no stam cost on take off lol

you never actually have to touch the ground after spawning if you get the proper mutations

[rigid tulip]

its just unfun spectator mode and sitting simulator

air to air combat is actually extremely fun and canni pteranodon is one of the most fun things to do, we seriously need something to threaten it besides quetz, and something to threaten quetz. so much untapped potential

[vale brook]

i mean pteranodon as a whole is designed to be spectator mode with limitations

and again, the rework is likely going to add alot to them. kissen mentioned before there is supposed to be a bit of fighting between them

[cedar beacon]

@neon lantern a dev said its a bug and they are looking at it.

[neon lantern]

sweet

I was worried it was something they wanted, phew

[viscid mica]

@topaz elm read patch notes silly

[vale brook]

pounce is not jump, hope this helps!

[viscid mica]

And where here do y out see the word jump?

[vale brook]

which is why... hes asking for jump stam to be taken down

[viscid mica]

Ohhh odd

[vale brook]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-underwater-gif-922906369727670801

[topaz elm]

read the suggestion silly

teehee

[viscid mica]

You don’t need to repeat him, but then again I see no need for that

[ashen plank]

Peteradon could use a damage buff

[rapid flume]

#balance-feedback message or just remove combat mutations

[vale brook]

SO TRUE!!!

[uncut trellis]

👆

[haughty grotto]

@uncut trellis congrats you just spent a truckload of time speculating about something you have no idea about, getting worried by this speculation, and acting upon that worry by writing a massive post which is completely hypothetical

[vale brook]

it is a hypothetical but it is probably we should start accounting for and asking. we only have one metric to base how pins/grapples work and its omni which uses 100%/101% weight depending on if its singular or multiple

and assuming rex has the same maths behind it (which again, is hypothetical but should be in the back of our mind), it would be pinning stego

[haughty grotto]

Too many assumptions, too many ifs, too much we don't know

What if hypsi damage is buffed to 9500 tomorrow?

[uncut trellis]

What about my post is hypothetical? We know Rex is gonna pin stuff, I was addressing if stego was among those that could be pinned and the consequences balance wise

[haughty grotto]

Every single thing you typed is hypothetical because it assumes dinosaur stats we don't know, ability functionality we don't know, balance updates we don't know

[uncut trellis]

Based on dondi streams rex is likely gonna be over 9 tons. Trike is 9.5 in ht.

And here’s Rex pinning stuff

[haughty grotto]

Yeah the fg weight is basically the only thing we can predict

[uncut trellis]

I’m not pulling info out of my ass like you’re claiming

[haughty grotto]

I have seen this video, it's many months old
That is a 3 ton dibble

You are absolutely pulling info out of your ass

[uncut trellis]

And you’re expecting it to be entirely different functionally?

[haughty grotto]

No, I am not claiming to know how it exactly works upon release.
And neither should you.

[uncut trellis]

But it’s information I can work with, and it’s what I am working with, it’s not nothing. I know anything could change before release. My post simply addresses the possibility. “Rex is shown to pin here, what if it could do that to stego?” Thats not random

[haughty grotto]

Idk man it just seems like you're throwing stego in the bin based on massive assumptions

[uncut trellis]

Pinning has no counter play other than hoping the inflictor runs out of stam. It can cause major balance issues when used carelessly. Stego can’t run from Rex, so yes I think it may have a problem it can’t handle

[dusky surge]

that is an absurdist agument against a legitimately valid concern. they aren't comparable at all

especially since stello provides solid numbers and stats that objectively bring up legitimate cause for concern

[haughty grotto]

It is a sarcastic argument that outlines the absurdity of assumption

[haughty grotto]

Even now he's still assuming
As if the devs are clueless about what they're doing

If it happens, I'll be with you on the front line protesting

But until then, it's all meaningless

[uncut trellis]

I don’t think the devs are clueless, in fact I think them adding the power swing in the first place is them acknowledging the issue. Whether or not they know is not gonna stop me from posting anything unless its blatantly obvious

[obtuse ocean]

But why do pinning need counterplay? nvm this tho u mean omni pin

[haughty grotto]

Okay
I hope spino and giga a few years from now don't easily kill rex trike stego and make them unviable

[slim dragon]

"I worry rex pin will be an issue"
"You don't know for sure so you can't worry"
Bro that is literally the point of being worried

[haughty grotto]

Disagree
With that logic we can be worried about every single thing in life
For example such as sitting in a car, cause we aren't sure we'll end up in an accident

[slim dragon]

You misunderstand what "logic" is
The world isn't entirely made of extremes
Also yes, there are people who don't want to get in cars because they're worried of accidents

[haughty grotto]

Again, if all this was confirmed and present in a hordetest for everyone to see, I would be even more worried than you about it disrupting balance when ported over to evrima.
But at the moment we have nothing except placeholder stats which are very much open to change, an underpowered stego that we already know is going to be buffed, and old short video clips

[slim dragon]

It is a valid concern tho
We know how pin works right now
With no confirmation that rex's pin will work differently, there's a 50/50 that it will be what Stellotyrannus posted
So it's worth mentioning

[obtuse ocean]

But is rex faster then stego running? I get in a short burst, but if stego sees the rex before its in its ambush range.

[slim dragon]

Subadult rex is 45 km/h with ambush

For a duration of minimum 15 seconds

[golden coral]

Where are you getting the "underpowered stego, is going to get buffed" from? For someone who seemed concerned about hypotheticals and assumptions, do you have any more solid information on that one, that stego is going to change from what it currently is, and be buffed, at that?

[faint robin]

Stego is able to kill trikes with only orange hp left, hows it weak

[abstract yew]

Nobody said it's weak?

[sacred moat]

Hi, I came across your post on balance, and here's what I'll say about it. 1- A stegosaurus with a bad reputation is not in the past, but NOW. His charged attack does not waste stamina without hitting, he raises his tail almost instantly and has enough stamina to run after his prey for a long time. It's NORMAL for a 9-ton rex to be able to kill you. This ge will destroy the players in between, which, in turn, greatly spoil the gameplay of other herbivores by making it almost impossible to defend against them. The stegosaurus has broken hitboxes, and so far, as far as Rex is concerned, this is NOT a FATAL blow to the presence of a stegosaurus on the island. A 2.9-ton Rex won't be able to hold it for long, just like a dyablika with its mechanics, if only because their weight difference isn't as huge as that of a rex and a diabloceratops, dude, don't be dramatic. I'm more than sure that stega is a great average player, whom players have come to love as Apex due to the early release. But stego is NOT the STRONGEST apex, and we must understand this.

[golden coral]

Im not sure how any of that changes the potential concern over how the matchup will go when pin is involved. But it is likely there will be something the stego can do, I doubt its meant to just die on contact with a rex. Especially now that it can escape trike properly.

[sacred moat]

True

I'm very pleased that many Stegosaur players only play for them, just to have the power to kill everything that moves on the island, forgetting about the rest of the dinosaurs. The same situation applies to cer as(

[rapid flume]

@uncut trellis #balance-feedback message I was waiting until I finished my assignment to say what I think about rex pin and I finally finished it.
Personally, I don't think Rex pin should do very much damage beyond the initial bite, as rex doesn't really have the tools to deal consistently high damage while also holding something down. I think the pin is more interesting as a tool to encourage teamwork, especially between children and a parent.

[dusky surge]

ehhhh

i really dont see rex as a "team player" type animal

giganotosaurus is the carnivore you go to if you want an apex animal that enjoys hanging with its own kind

[crimson crater]

#balance-feedback message @rich condor why would the prey keep the predator more than 3x its size on its toes lol

[rich condor]

Hey @crimson crater I reckon if a Pteranodon had a fast mover attack it would be a more viable predator than it is now and give the safety of the trees something to be reconsidered. A high speed Pteranodon would not be something a herra could deal with. I suppose it depends on how the high speed attack works

[sacred moat]

@elfin night Oh my God, I saw your post in the balance and almost cried. It's terrible when, because of the fans of the old Utahraptor, the rights of other players to play on medium and smaller dinosaurs are being harassed. I used to love playing the drio or troo, the gallimimus, so much, but after the appearance of the omniraptor and its broken pins, it's no longer interesting. Any omni can knock you down and kill you with the first snap, and you won't be able to do anything. It's so cruel.

[crimson crater]

its getting new attacks soon so idk if that would be necessary

pt does fine hunting juveniles

[sacred moat]

I think they were in a hurry, and the latch hitboxes need to be reduced.

[rich condor]

I'm suggesting a new attack, you're saying it's getting new attacks, sounds like a win

[sacred moat]

otherwise, there will be fewer players on small dinosaurs (Even now it's a great luck to meet a dryo in the game

[elfin night]

I am sorry but I feel the urge to post it

https://tenor.com/view/haha-so-funny-gif-27253208

That first part got me

[elfin night]

I seriously doubt rex is gonna be pinning stegos, 95% trikes and gigas

That would be so horrible

[obtuse ocean]

Maybe, but it does need something against them. I mean if you ambush something big, so they cant just run away and laugh at you.

[elfin night]

Damage and the shove

Rex has insane raw damage on normal bites let alone alt ones

And also a shove to cc things if it’s cc to get priority attacking and canceling moves

[obtuse ocean]

Yea but dmg is nothing in evrima, like killing a giga gonna take some hits. Even in legacy without bb giga could just laugh and walk away

[elfin night]

Giga died in like 5 bites…

Damage is a big deal

Also in evrima

[obtuse ocean]

think it was 7, it was heavier then rex. But you wont spam bites as rex im guessing, not like dilo lol.

not sure what rex bite does in evrima, but lets say 800? Thats prob 11 bites on a giga

[elfin night]

6500 for giga. 5800 for rex

And Rex had the bb with additional damage

While the case damage was 1200

Wins any trade with giga

[elfin night]

Probably why shove is a thing too

400 damage shove that you can likely combo into another bite

So you are winning basically all megatheropod trades unless spino is somehow another powerhouse with good defensive cc

[worthy steeple]

when i was a kid i thought its name is gigasaurus 🫥

[cosmic pelican]

I called compsognathus "composaurus" 🔥

[obtuse ocean]

Yea, winning the fight cus of sheer power i think rex will do. But it also need something that make sure he control the fight, so the ie the giga cant just walk away etc. What you mean with shove by the way ?

[worthy steeple]

WAIT ME TOO AHAHAHAH

[elfin night]

Shove

Just the shove

It doesn’t need to one tap a giga

Also, guys, this is probably just me and it is admittedly a bit farther into the future than rex v stego

But I am actually far more worried about shant vs stego

[obtuse ocean]

Yea it wont 1 tap a giga : P

What im worried about is alberto, kills stego and deinocherius hiding from it according to the drawings lol

[elfin night]

What?

Concept art is not really representative of what is going to happen

[worthy steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-thanos-thanos-snap-dust-gif-16037423944121739362

[elfin night]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-mmm-cheesy-cheese-cheesy-gif-19257011

[obtuse ocean]

hope so, it looks op

[worthy steeple]

i blame potato for this

[rapid flume]

how so?

[crimson crater]

#balance-feedback message damage mutations gotta go in general, no one should be able to abuse them, not just cerato

[dusky surge]

^

idk why people act like certain mutations gotta be "removed from cerato" specifically. Broken mutations are still broken, just because they're more broken on cerato doesn't mean they aren't on other creatures

Cerato just benefits the most from a LOT of combat muts due to its kit and stats

[solid wyvern]

The thing which Rex will have wouldn't be exactly a pin from what I understant

[solid wyvern]

I still think hemomania is fine and can stay as it is now. Like it isn't comparably more stronger ability than something like gaining water from eating whatever food your creature prefer

[eager saddle]

you 1000% should xD

[faint robin]

Whats dyablika

[cosmic pelican]

What did I do

[eager saddle]

spread the hmmmm cheesy gif 😛

[cosmic pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/noo-gif-12326737461245487165

[cosmic pelican]

Fine, Im gonna spread this too then

[eager saddle]

I was about to say, it's not loading but I can guess

honestly, it's so cute tho

[cosmic pelican]

[elfin night]

Bruh!!!!!

Bruh bruh bruh bruh

Shant

A goddamn shant

It’s not some 9 ton megatheropod

It is an hadrosaur the size of a sauropod

Who will likely not move (at least much) slower than stego let alone trot slower

Its a +15 ton monster who can likely catch up to you and obliterate you as you cannot even power swing its head

Shant is gonna be a menace for every other large herbivore save for cama if it gets truly huge

[steep gazelle]

I said it this way because it is extremely difficult for the devs to remove the damage mutations themselves from the game.

[worthy steeple]

nooooooo😭😭😭

[worthy steeple]

i bet that’s how marj actually looks like irl

and i remember how she said she’s not a cat, lies everywhere😔

[sacred moat]

Dibli, english - not my language

[elfin night]

@proper berry did you know that sprinting for a while makes you lose blood faster and also makes it take longer to heal?

Also carno bleed resistance is getting buffed in ht

It doesn’t always have to be about nerfing your killer. Your dinosaur may as well be lancing in some aspect

[proper berry]

my cera also bled out after 2 jumps i bearly walkt away to find save spot bled out its bs

[elfin night]

That is impossible unless you were running around all the time

[proper berry]

raptor needs more bleed then a 175 tree rat make 0 sense for the size

[elfin night]

Or your cera wasn’t fg and in fact was far from it

[proper berry]

900 kilo

[elfin night]

Raptor can apply as much bleed as it likes as long as it remains alive. Herra only has ONE attack. If you get pounced more than once it is totally on you

[elfin night]

That is a huge difference

400kg matter a lot

And also resistances vary

So if you didn’t immediately disengage after one pounce that was absolutely your fault

[proper berry]

i did dude fallow me bled was already lot

[elfin night]

What

Youre trying to tell me it followed you?

[minor axle]

Raptor is way easier to remove than herra

[elfin night]

And you didn’t, you know, rest in a place without a tree nearby

[proper berry]

kinda hard in a forrest dude

[elfin night]

Run into the open then dude

Or be aware of a herras limitations maybe?

[proper berry]

there was no open ffs jesus u where not there iam not stupid

captain hindsight here

[elfin night]

Like if you really cannot flee, you can just slowly walk around the tree the herra is in so it cannot pounce you as you also recover with your slow walk

There’s always something you could have done

[worthy steeple]

reading this i can tell why your username starts with “shizz”

no offense🫥

[proper berry]

if i see guy slow walk around my tree i still hit his ass lol

[worthy steeple]

what’s the issue?

[proper berry]

iam done with this discussion herrera bleed op my opinion 😉

[elfin night]

And in fact if you were in the middle of the forest with no open, I find it very hard to believe there were NO cues of a herra around. Like no corpses around the floor or piles in the forest? Or you didn’t hear any footsteps or jumping from tree to tree? If so, you were unaware and got ambushed, deserved especially after getting pounced twice

[worthy steeple]

i completely agree, it’s hella op, but it’s exactly how it should be

[elfin night]

Lmao

Herra side movement is so bad that you can just move around the tree and use it as cover so it can’t hit you

[worthy steeple]

oh nvm it’s juicy, i’m blocked and they don’t even see my messages😔

[elfin night]

And I love the deadset gamer rage

No elaboration, just won’t budge or move at all because his perception is the only one that matters and is the right one

Whatever

Died to a noob stomper

[worthy steeple]

L

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1232185340425404427/1348207013179686984/IMG_2950.gif

[crimson crater]

#balance-feedback message @proper berry the issue isn’t herrera its carno’s extreme vulnerability to bleed (which has been fixed on HT).

[sacred moat]

it was a parody of the word cheese)

))

[crimson crater]

easier to remove?

[elfin night]

I mean you don’t shrug off a herra after it already did the damage

So that’s technically true

[crimson crater]

kinda but herrera has no ground capabilities and it basically gets 1 tapped by every playable

whereas raptors have better agility, speed and damage

[elfin night]

@forest jackal weight is not the only way to judge something’s speed. You are completely ignoring intended roles

Cera is a defensive corpse bully and scavenger who is tanky for its size. Maia is a speedster heavy herbivore

[dusky surge]

nerfing maia to be below cera's speed is absolutely not worth the attacks being made cheaper lol

[elfin night]

By that rule of three I suppose omni should outrun carno

Or teno should outrun carno and maia too

[dusky surge]

maia in biped? just literally walk out of a straight line in front of it and its screwed lol

maia in quad? its slower than dibble so who cares lol

[elfin night]

And even if you made it’s kit good for brawling and defense, then congrats, you just made dibble again but this time without bleed

[minor axle]

Easier to remove as a threat. Removing a herra from west access requires stalking them for ages until hunger drives them away/down

removing an Omni from west access can be done in a much easier and more directly manner

(Combat wise I also have always found Omni easy to beat from launch of evrima to this day but maybe I’m just built different. It’s not that herras aren’t hard to dodge but that finishing the rat off is tedious, unless you are a pinning Omni ironically enough)

[crimson crater]

finishing a herrera off only requires a click of a button lol

omnis however can be very persistent during hunts (decent enough hp to let them get away with making errors)

[elfin night]

#balance-feedback message @open quarry saying that carno is rarely played is such a made up take and all you have to back that up is your anecdotal evidence, which can be contradicted by the fact that you might be biased saying that and well, my anecdotal evidence shows that carno is still a popular playable regardless.

Also, why does it need to perform better against mid tiers? Right now carno doesn’t even perform that poorly against a cera in the open, and back then with 1800kg it just completely rolled it. You are ignoring a pillar of game balancing in the isle if you just make a creature have an even matchup with others that are vastly slower, since it can just disengage if things don’t go in its favor, having nowhere as much commitment as the others.

And well, how is it not helpful that you don’t have a great matchup against creatures of your size to further highlight that this thing is a small game hunter and not a brawler?

[minor axle]

A basic click bite from dilo takes multiple, same for carno iirc. (But only if the herra is fg)
Troodon obviously can’t tap them
Not even gonna bother with dryo/hypsi

Omni has the best shot with being able to just pin them.

I’d have added Galli to the list of stuff vulnerable to herra pounces, but I can’t ever forget that guy who had a galli fling itself from a hill to flying kick him.

My point is most things herra can hurt can’t insta kill it.

Which to be clear is fine. My issue is herra lacks arboreal threats as of now. I wouldn’t consider it more or less balances if it would hit more Dinos or less since that wouldn’t cover my main issue.

Omnis are really easy because any of the 300000 trees allow you to knock them off. Admittedly it does bully small ground players, but Omni players have the most skill issues in my experience, so that might help with them seeming easy to beat xd

I’ve legit had Omni players miss over me (as a bigger Dino) . I’m not sure how you manage that

[crimson crater]

a single bite from a dilo instantly brings it to last stage of envenomation which is basically a death sentence, carno 1 taps a herrera with an alt bite or a charge, even a regular bite to the body brings it to deaths door.
troodon 4 shots it and unironically, it loses to it on ground pretty easily too. only playables that somewhat struggle against it are dryo and hypsi’s, that’s about it

[minor axle]

Getting a charge on a herra is easier done than said, then again with the bleed changes carnos matchup won’t matter as much

Anyways, do hallucinations go up trees now?

[crimson crater]

yes

they fixed the issues with hallucinations and terrain

[minor axle]

Damn. That’s actually hilarious.

[crimson crater]

dilo is back to oppressive and busted on HT🔥

[maiden temple]

ew

Is it still just as easy to stack the effect as well?

[minor axle]

I haven’t played much ht because the nv was killing my enjoyment.

The idea of a dilo clone getting up a tree is very funny though. Given dilo can get stuck in a disposal bin (I’m not joking dilo can’t climb out of that dump truck looking container at the west access helipad)

[steep otter]

good old days

time to die in two bites them clone spam

[crimson crater]

yes

[maiden temple]

Yeah, gotta fight off mages as a melee again

[maiden temple]

very stinky.

[steep otter]

trikes hitboxes , especially its alt atacks feel so bad

[ashen plank]

Pteradons need a damage buff

Dying in 1 shot to nearly everything we should atleast be able to do respectable damage to the smaller carnivores it seems like juveniles can take way too many hits from a fg ptera

[iron tree]

That's the point of a glass cannon though

It's a glass cannon ambush predator

If you mess up and whatever you misses reacts in time you're dead

And you won't get a second chance that easily

[stone meadow]

can i just say as a dino full grow i cant leave the river when i im full adult because of the lack of stamina, i would like to change river with out dieing

[iron tree]

@unreal bone burrowing is planned

[elfin night]

No we shouldn’t because that is not how balancing works strictly

Ptera can die from one hit in most cases, yes. But you gotta land that hit first

And most juveniles get destroyed by good pteras in the open already

Especially fresh spawns in places like sp with little cover in some stretches

[ashen plank]

I shouldn’t come flying down from the heavens at max speed and nail a juvenile carno right in between the eyeballs and it shrugs it off

[minor axle]

If you are diving at max speed you’d realistically just crumple yourself.

[ashen plank]

I’ve got no problem flying just landed hits don’t seem to be moving the needle at all

[stark mirage]

is the dilo working in mainbranch or just hordetest?

[steep gazelle]

just hordtest

[steep echo]

@unreal bone wdym nest ability?

[hasty coyote]

Prob burrow

[unreal bone]

yeap, mb sorry

[elfin night]

But that is not happening because ptera is largely not meant to go for 100+ kg animals

Save that for quetz. Ptera is a fisher and fresh scavenger atm

[ashen plank]

Here’s to hoping quetz can take out a fully grown T. rex

[worthy steeple]

exactly lol

herrera bleed is op because it should be op, because otherwise it won’t be able to bleed out omnis or dilos

[hasty coyote]

Genuinely, that just ain’t happening. Rex is over 9 tons, quetz is 1 ton max, and that’s if they make quetz much heavier than it was. Unless they make quetz able to peck down so Rex physically can’t hit it, Rex is just gonna stomp a quetz.

[urban delta]

quetz is getting killed by omni if they use its real weight

[ashen plank]

the agility of quetz should be enough to make a t-rex flee

[eager saddle]

That sounds…a bit broken no?

[dusky surge]

Rex should not be remotely afraid of a quetz lol

9.35 ton animal being scared of a <1 ton bird lol

[eager saddle]

Ye that sounds a bit like opposite day

[uncut trellis]

Otherwise we’d have path quetz situations

[rapid flume]

#balance-feedback message deino getting damaged when it grabs kentro would be kinda awesome, even if it still gets drowned

[elfin night]

nah

At best a quetz is gonna give trouble to one omni or a dilo if you really want to push

more or less on the same punching class as herra I predict. Not an ambush hunter but targeting stuff of the same size as the tree camper

[glossy elbow]

unless they make quetz like a really strong glass cannon for some reason but i highly doubt that

[mint star]

i had an idea way in the past that minmi would be just completely immune to deino, and if deino attempted to lunge it, it would fracture the deino's jaws/head

[rapid flume]

how else would minmi survive a deino?

maybe it could be able to bury itself underwater as well as on land?

[minor axle]

That would be hilarious I would have to play so much minmi xd

[hasty coyote]

that would actually be hilarious, would make no sense but it would be hilarious.

[mint star]

something something extremely dense armour

[minor axle]

Just give it a cannon

[spiral kindle]

Quetz irl is like 200kg

But for game balance it will prob weigh 1 ton

or atleast have 1000 health

[dusky surge]

it could be balanced if it were just 250 lol

it really doesn't need to be 1 ton at all because it can just choose to not take damage

[spiral kindle]

Nah

[spiral kindle]

What so a omni jumping and pinning u

When your quetz took like 3 hrs to grow

[dense wedge]

this game makes me severely depressed. I dont understand how am i supposed to survive as a troodon

[dusky surge]

yea sure

[spiral kindle]

isnt that fun

[dusky surge]

if you're genuinely not paying attention then yea

i think as a quetz that should be a legitimate concern

you have power and unrivaled mobility

the only thing that can consistently hurt you is a 45kg flyer that you can just instantly nuke

[spiral kindle]

You're thinking it too much like ptera

[dusky surge]

i mean, yea, it should be like ptera

[spiral kindle]

Quetz will be much slower and less agile

[dusky surge]

i very much doubt that

in fact i would hope it wouldn't be either of those things

less agile sure, but slower? quetz? absolutely not

quetz should be fast in the air and on the ground

[spiral kindle]

Stam will be awful

[dusky surge]

how do you know that

[spiral kindle]

If u think ptera is miserable to play just wait till quetz

[spiral kindle]

Cause it only makes sense its a girrafe sized creature that can fly

Duh

[dusky surge]

ptera has insane stamina efficiency, the only downside is a slow regen. if quetz is ANYTHING like ptera, it will be one of the game's best endurance predators

[spiral kindle]

All fun and games till you're prey goes in the jungle

And boom u are now useless

[dusky surge]

then sucks to suck

i fail to see why a predator having an environment in which it doesn't do well is seen as problematic

[spiral kindle]

😄

[dusky surge]

most players don't look up. you have the entire sky to ambush, a flying speed that far outpaces their groundspeed and a land speed that is equally intmidating, as well as the ability to pick up prey

it not doing great in jungles hardly seems like it's a dealbreaker to me

[spiral kindle]

And when u try to go on land and fight it then u will be pinned cause u think it should weigh 250kg

Wich won't happen i can bet

[dusky surge]

i mean i'd like it to actually have interactions with ptera ideally

and also be consistent with ptera's weighting

250kg quetz would be that

[spiral kindle]

Funny cause irl quetz actually did good in the jungle it would protect it's nest and stuff

[dusky surge]

okay so why do you want it to be inagile then lol

[spiral kindle]

On land it needs to weigh above 450kg minimum i would say for it too be viable

Not exactly in terms for it to survive but in other ways

[dusky surge]

i dont see why that would be necessary. it already has the tools it needs to easily evade pinning

[spiral kindle]

Have u ever heard of Jumping and pressing right click as Omni :0

[dusky surge]

i have. have you heard of pressing spacebar and taking to the sky as any flier lol

[spiral kindle]

Imagine how funny that would be tho if you latch onto it instead of pinning it and you just go flying into the skies 🤣

[dusky surge]

if a quetz can't do that then why tf are they playing the flying animal

[spiral kindle]

And get dropped of like an eagle

[spiral kindle]

So you're saying avoid any Omniraptor on the map

As a Quetz

How much biteforce do you think would suit Quetz for it's hunting niche

[slim dragon]

A ptera can confidently take on a full pack of raptors
I don't see why a 250kg quetz could not

[spiral kindle]

Wow

Any footage of that?

[slim dragon]

No, I don't record when I play

[spiral kindle]

Ah such a bummer

[slim dragon]

But it's just a matter of predicting their actions

[spiral kindle]

Fg Raptors right?

[slim dragon]

If you think they're not gonna jump, just peck them from above
If you think they're gonna jump to catch you, fly a bit higher so they miss you while you peck at their head

[dusky surge]

no im saying use your ability of flight to perhaps change the combat engagement to one which is actually advantageous

[slim dragon]

Some of them were, not all

[dusky surge]

like bubulu said, it is REMARKABLY easy to mess with omnis as just a mere ptera

[spiral kindle]

Wow you are just soo good at the video game

[slim dragon]

It's really not that hard

[dusky surge]

i have afriend who plays ptera exclusively to do this and has killed literally dozens of omnis and i laugh at it every time

[spiral kindle]

No it is i just suck you're right

[slim dragon]

If you say so

[spiral kindle]

Aight ima cut the Bs you are not killing any raptors bro😭

I simply do not believe you what so ever in the slightest

[dusky surge]

i cant, im not that good at ptera, but ive watched my mate do it

its exceptionally funny

[spiral kindle]

The raptor players must of been handicapped

Literally go under a rock or a tree

[slim dragon]

Under a rock ?

[spiral kindle]

A cliff or a cave whatever idc

[dusky surge]

they might've been, for sure, but that doesn't mean anything

given how many raptors he's killed, there's clearly enough "handicapped" raptors for quetz to hunt

[slim dragon]

That's what the survivors did
Didn't make me less confident

[spiral kindle]

In you're dreams

[maiden temple]

You can kill stegos as a deino too, they just need to be at a specific skill level

[dusky surge]

my mate killed half a full pack of raptors as ptera and its STILL super funny

[maiden temple]

Messing with big raptors (or anything that can jump as high as they can) is an easy way to die. You can hunt other playables more reliably and have more fun

[spiral kindle]

Exactly

[spiral kindle]

No footage or you are literally just straight up capping

[dusky surge]

oh for sure, but if you know the raptor's jump height, its super easy to bait them

[maiden temple]

It takes 1 well timed jump or a quick turn for a ptera to be a snacc

[spiral kindle]

Only way u could kill a omni is if the omni player is handicapped and you hit all headshots on it

[maiden temple]

I used to hunt baby raptors back when we had raptor rock and ptera's flying was way more dynamic, now it's just eh

[dusky surge]

yea but we're also talking quetz tho which i would not be surprised watching it 3 tap an omni, or just grab and go

[spiral kindle]

Yeah i believe that 100% i used to do the same

[maiden temple]

The deino of the sky 😄

[slim dragon]

I have better things to do than record all of my gameplay hoping it'll serve me in an internet argument someday

[dusky surge]

i think the concept of quetz being useless because specifically omni can pin it is hysterical as much as it is untrue

[spiral kindle]

Aight bro hop on a test server and i will see how goated u are bro🤣

[dusky surge]

a competent quetz in control of its movement will not only be unhittable, but easily control the fight

[slim dragon]

I still have better things to do than that

[spiral kindle]

That's what i thought

[dusky surge]

also test servers are a HORRIBLE example of anything lol

i genuinely think 1v1s on test servers prove nothing

no element of ambush, extremely controlled environment, no distractions, all creatures on full stats

nothing like the ACTUAL game

[maiden temple]

They're good to learn timing and stam management, but live fights are never fair

[dusky surge]

the "1v1 me norden" thing is just a copout to not having a real argument and just wanting to prove something in an environment where you can far more easily control the outcome

not worth engaging with

[dusky surge]

oh for sure

[spiral kindle]

I will literally sit out in the plains and stand still

[dusky surge]

they've taught me a lot about the mechanics of a fight, but i never use them as concrete evidence of any balance

[spiral kindle]

When have u been playing this game?

[dusky surge]

wdym

[keen plover]

What is a quetz that's smaller than omni meant to hunt?

[dusky surge]

i assume most small tiers based on concept art

grab n go

[spiral kindle]

Bro these guy saying he killed a full omni pack as a ptera🤣

Unless there ALL handicapped u aint doing anything lmao

U will just get Jumped pounced

^^ This guy is the goat apparently☠️

[keen plover]

tbh I've seen it a lot. You can cheese it if you know the hitboxes. But that might not be relevant eventually as they're looking to add upwards attacks. Assuming that works out lol

[dusky surge]

I mean no? If you know how to play ptera you won’t get jump pounced

[keen plover]

Ptera's hitbox is very forgiving.

[maiden temple]

https://medal.tv/games/the-isle/clips/wyWFXbkDtsUWW?invite=cr-MSxBQmQsNTYwNzY1NDg
I predict the outcome will be this

[spiral kindle]

If u know how to play Omni u won't get hit at all

[spiral kindle]

Exactly

[spiral kindle]

Cope harder

[keen plover]

it's possible. I'm not saying I like it but it's possible. Ptera is BS

[dusky surge]

How am I coping lol I’ve literally seen it happen

[keen plover]

I can't wait for the day when I can finally bite a ptera out of the sky

[dusky surge]

It is objectively doable

[spiral kindle]

Ofc it is but good vs good not handicapped vs good

[dusky surge]

Who cares if they’re handicapped tho that’s not the point

[spiral kindle]

You can kill anything if the player is awful......

Theres nothing to proof

You want a hat and a balloon

[dusky surge]

If the omni is too hard for quetz to hunt, quetz has flight. If it’s handicapped, food. We’re talking about a survival game, it doesn’t matter if the animal doesn’t die

A 250kg quetz would be arguably more survivable than a 1000kg quetz. It’s objectively better at its needed job, which is survival

Food efficiency would be great

It can fly away from pretty much any threat

And it has an effective hunting method that takes advantage of its mobility by dropping its prey

Who cares if it's not the strongest thing on a norden PvP server because that's not what's important

[spiral kindle]

Quetz will most likely have a higher health pool than it's weight

[dusky surge]

ideally not

nothing else does, why give it to quetz besides some desire to make it tankier than it needs to be

[spiral kindle]

The isle is not accurate to the dino's irl self

herrera is 350 kg but in game it is half that for balance reasons

[dusky surge]

idc about accuracy i care about the game lol

my fave animal in this game is troodon, accuracy is a nonfactor here

i think a 250kg quetz with the ability to grab any animal up to 2x its weight, an exceptionally fast flight speed like ptera's (near 100km/hr), high groundspeed, and a powerful biteforce like ptera's would create the perfect components for a legitimately threatening carnivore for basically any juvi in the open

it can sustain itself on juvis and smalls consistently (its main food source), has flight to scavenge if things become too hard to hunt, can actually get some food from hunting pteras, its main aerial prey, and has viability when it comes to attacking smaller creatures

[spiral kindle]

Now see i can agree with that

Now that u have actualy explained to me you're idea

[dusky surge]

i want it to be 250kg because i want it to be good at being quetz, not because i want omni fodder, let me make that clear

i think 1 ton would ironically make it harder to do what its meant to lol

[keen plover]

Why's that :O

[spiral kindle]

Cause it would require more food and maybe other downsides

At filling it's niche

[keen plover]

Well it would but like? Not hard to maintain a 1t animal

[maiden temple]

Plus being actively avoided by things it's meant to hunt

It's a pin vs grab at these weights and I'd love to try and hunt them on raptor

[spiral kindle]

I know

[dusky surge]

thats kinda like galli tho (at least, 510kg galli, which was peak galli fun)

[keen plover]

Eh it's whatever. I just hope we don't get more flyer bs

[spiral kindle]

510kg Galli was so fun it also had insane bleed output

[maiden temple]

It was way too oppressive xD

[spiral kindle]

U literally bleed out carno's

And carno was 1.8 tons XD

[maiden temple]

Carno bled a ton, mostly because they just love to run around you with that bleed

Still funny to see them drop dead suddenly

[spiral kindle]

Cause Carno's main source of defense and offensive output is it's speed

And you need to run to charge and stuff

[keen plover]

Carno has also sucked for a hot minute so

[maiden temple]

Still need to be smarter, especially when you already have a lot of bleed stacked.

[keen plover]

Galli was just abusing that back then

[maiden temple]

Carno went through so many changes and always ends up not enough or too much

[spiral kindle]

Carno does not suck rn especially on HT

[keen plover]

Galli was threatened for one patch at most. Pretty much on Gateway launch when carno could insta knockdown and had that insanely quick acceleration

[maiden temple]

I loved it as a brawler though I can't lie
We didn't have anything else then though

[keen plover]

Eh. It's mid at most solo rn. I wouldn't even worry about the thing unless in a group

I guess if I'm playing dilo during the day

[spiral kindle]

3 Carnos still S tier

[keen plover]

Oh of course lol

Carno groups will always be nutty

[maiden temple]

That's when it just starts being scary

[keen plover]

Solo is a joke though and that's what I miss 😔

[keen plover]

😭 early evrima carno

[maiden temple]

ew

[keen plover]

early to me is anything pre update 5 😔

[maiden temple]

Still not as bad as the charge-only-never-bite carno though

I can't get over how brainless that was

[keen plover]

Isn't that current carno

[maiden temple]

It's not nearly as bad, mostly because of the weight changes. It's not doing as much damage when you just tap charge

Same with raptor's pounce as well, now you can't just tap and dismount and watch people bleed out

Teno's combo is harder to execute too with the tail to kick cd

[spiral kindle]

Nah Bite Carno was way more skillful than Chargebot

Current carno lol

[keen plover]

😭 yeah no this is terrible tho

[maiden temple]

If you knew when to use skidding you could brawl anything, I loved fighting tenos 😄

[maiden temple]

Not really, it's a ton of damage and I prefer a cd than a nerf to kick

I don't like raptor's bite cd though, this really pmo

[keen plover]

I mean it feels bad is the point. No other attack is like it

kick to claw / kick to bite is still quick and then you have the low damage tail slam having a delay

Even if it does deal knockdowns it feels bad

You have to run into it

[maiden temple]

The KD is long enough to still get a kick on the head, just makes the fights longer

[keen plover]

I could accept that if teno was dealing update 6 damage. Now it isn't even close

[maiden temple]

It will suck for anything bigger than teno though

The stun on larger things is very brief

[maiden temple]

It's been ages since I tested damage honestly, how much did it drop?

[spiral kindle]

I miss that playstyle 😦

Outboxing tenos with you're speed

Way more skillfull than Current Chargebot3000 carno

Rewards you more aswell

[cosmic pelican]

Tailslam did 350dmg in u6 iirc, now its 100

[spiral kindle]

Yeah tail stam used to do alot of dmg till they nerfed it

[maiden temple]

So it was nerfed again, it was still around 150 around cera intro times

Slam shouldn't be the damage source imo, I'm fine with it being a cc

Is kick nerfed too?

Was about 275 base

[cosmic pelican]

Its 250 now

[maiden temple]

hopefully it's a bit better once we get bigger carnis

[keen plover]

💔

[maiden temple]

The stam cost

I don't even remember it being that high omg

Actually, it's probably just the stam amount

or is it

[keen plover]

6% for kick, 8% for slam

stam regen was much quicker though and you could stand and regen so it wasn't all that bad

[spiral kindle]

It was high

[maiden temple]

The stam changes were a blessing for my survival ngl, I hated it before

[spiral kindle]

Gawd i miss when teno used to actually take some skill

And stamina management

[maiden temple]

I didn't mind it until ceras came

You could not run away from packs, like it was not even an option

Now I'm blessed with oh I see 10 ceras and they saw me, time to run

[spiral kindle]

U could still do that

Unless you use a bunch of you're attacks

Before they pull up on you

[maiden temple]

Nah, tested it so many times, even if I utilised the terrain to slow them down I was still the one to run out faster

Now you end up with nearly 30% stam reserve when they're out

Or did, it was a while since I tested

[spiral kindle]

You should have enough stam to run to a cliff or something

I used to abuse the f out of the spiro center cliffs as teno

[maiden temple]

I loved the ones past the river going to swamps, it was smooth rock for most of it, only one entrance. I found one here as well

The drop by the dam was another amazing spot, so many carnos died thinking they can just charge me and stop 😄

[spiral kindle]

Not to mention tactile endurance is a thing

Teno now has like inf stam during fights

[maiden temple]

Yeah it's a bit different with tactile, I just wanted an out from having to fight a ton of ceras. Back then it was just either you're on a rock/near a rock and had a sip recently or you gotta log off

[spiral kindle]

The dam at the swamp?

[maiden temple]

Yeah

It had a surefire smooth side that looked bigger than it was

[spiral kindle]

Oh yeah ik what u mean

[maiden temple]

Perfect for breaking carno legs

[spiral kindle]

I used to kill so many tenos back in those days upd 4.5 i miss with all my heart😭

[spiral kindle]

Couldn't you just charge from a diff angle

[keen plover]

Tbf teno and cera had near identical run times back then. The gap is much larger now

[maiden temple]

You could, but then you're easy to catch with tail because you're fully visible

[spiral kindle]

yeah they did

[keen plover]

They just needed to reduce ceras run time on spiro

[maiden temple]

Going from the reeds was the best choice, they just could not stop in time not to fall

[spiral kindle]

Teno run time 2 minutes 49 seconds

[maiden temple]

Or add stam cost to charge bite >.>

[spiral kindle]

Cera run time 2 minutes 22 seconds

[keen plover]

rn?

[spiral kindle]

Yeah

[keen plover]

back then the difference was like 10 seconds tops

[keen plover]

I wish 😭

[spiral kindle]

Yeah cera was like 85 or 90 seconds teno was like 95 or 100 i forgot

[maiden temple]

It's crazy that it's free

[keen plover]

Not to mention going all carb diet was easy for cera so they had longer run times because of it

[spiral kindle]

Teno is also faster so like teno can outrun cera so easily now

[spiral kindle]

BRO that shii was so op

[keen plover]

it was really hard for herbis to activate all 3 of the same diet LOL

[spiral kindle]

Especially on Carno

Organs gave u soooooo much diets aswell

[keen plover]

So yeah ceras ran for longer

[spiral kindle]

So you could easily get it as a carni

[maiden temple]

I miss having the options though! Having 1 diet for everything is so disappointing now

[spiral kindle]

Diets nowadays are so mid

When i'm fg i still care about my diets but like at the same time irdc if i don't

[maiden temple]

Eh you still kinda have to for all the buffs it gives but it's so boring

[keen plover]

diets take forever to drain at fg. No need to worry

[maiden temple]

No more picky eater teno v.v

[dusky surge]

i do kinda miss diet nerfs

[keen plover]

yeah same

[dusky surge]

as in, poor diet = nerfs

[spiral kindle]

Carno took 60 seconds to regen stam and could run for 60 seconds , With the 25% shii you could run for 75 seconds and stam recovery was 45 seconds

It really was so op

[dusky surge]

absolutely disgusting lol

i do think modern day diets are by far the best implementation of them

i'd add a downside to being malnourished like before but otherwise i think modern diets are excellent

juvis nowadays are far more active in gameplay than spiro juvi gameplay which was metric tons of AFK

[maiden temple]

They needed tweaking, but still more fun to have options. If there was too many raptors in my territory I switched to antibleed and so on

[spiral kindle]

They need to bring back the 15% stam cost decrease then diets would be worth it

[dusky surge]

god no

worst part of diets was that buff

[maiden temple]

Yeah food goes down very quick for babus now, you can't just sit around, plus having to max it out with rocks

[dusky surge]

it was the speed mut of the past

[spiral kindle]

Rn diets are bugged S makes u consume more stam and on HT the Carb diet doesn't even give u the 15% stam regen it actually makes it worst

Ht they fixed the S tho

[keen plover]

real

[spiral kindle]

But it was the only thing that actually helped you in combat

[dusky surge]

carb cera is literally speed mut cera but for U6.5

[spiral kindle]

The current diets are just stuff that helps you if you have long fights

[dusky surge]

which is why i'm thankful its gone

[spiral kindle]

Like stam regen and blood regen

[dusky surge]

in the same way i despise combat muts, i despise combat diets

[spiral kindle]

Only omni really benefits from that

[maiden temple]

I hate the meta muts, I can't really try new sets ;_;

[thorn mountain]

@celest perch NV is bugged RN so everything is pretty much pitch black on the HT

[celest perch]

k

[spiral kindle]

It was more op on carno cause u could literally regen like full stam by the time a cera caught up to you

[dusky surge]

okay but you're only proving my point

[spiral kindle]

Even tho carnos acceleration was booty , those diets made up for it

At the time

[dusky surge]

diet metas are as cringe as mut metas

[spiral kindle]

Yeah i totally agree

[maiden temple]

#balance-feedback message
Sounds awful and clunky, side riding is not any more fun than tailriding

I have to deal with this bs on another dino game, and I absolutely hate it

[viscid mica]

@uncut trellis na fr I’m 100% gonna be growing a stego no matter how long or hell it is once Rex comes to HT

We need to know how it handles Rex’s existing

@steep echo do you have a trike chart compared to everything else? >_>

@mint girder it does have limits it has to be 2x the weight of its target if they are on land and the target is 75% of their weight if they are swimming. Dibble is smol compared to the apex ambushed known as deino.

[mint girder]

Right I know that I think dibble should be able to be grabbed but maybe not from the front but only when it’s a certain age. And for Maia it’s so chonky and deino carrying it like it’s nothing I think it should struggle more

[rapid flume]

it's 75% while swimming, not 80

[viscid mica]

Yes that math makes actual sense and my early work brain 100% understood basic math

Fixed

Good shout

[solid wyvern]

Why? Diets at least require some effort to obtain them

[dusky surge]

because an unfair advantage is an unfair advantage, regardless of how had you work for it

if you made all combat muts locked behind an unlock wall like some other mutations are, i'd still hate them

[slim dragon]

I'm honestly kinda in favor of meta diets tbh

[solid wyvern]

Work should be rewarded

[slim dragon]

Growth

[solid wyvern]

^

[dusky surge]

its also just not remotely hard

[rapid flume]

It is a survival game, people that get guns have an unfair advantage in rust or day z

[slim dragon]

But what if it was

[dusky surge]

then oh boy, ANOTHER diet rework

[slim dragon]

Well, you know we need one

[dusky surge]

eh

at this point im done with it

this system is entirely passable atm i can live with it

[slim dragon]

Shopping list diets for carnivores ? Herbivore diets changing all the time ? Since when are you okay with this ?

[solid wyvern]

Wdym by shopping list?

[slim dragon]

Carnivores can only eat a selected list of creatures and must ignore every potential prey not on the list

Organs alleviate this somewhat, but it doesn't make the very core of carnivore diets less dumb

[solid wyvern]

Well devs trying to fix it by including new stuff in diet list like for troo on HT. But you should keep in mind that some things not included in diets for balance reasons

Like it obviously will be busted for cera have every possible AI in diet

But I think that** every** herbivore playble should be in diet of every carnivore

Except some which logically impossible to obtain for specific creature

But even then - juvies exists

[dusky surge]

They're doing something like that

In that they're removing basically every carnivore playable from diets lol

[solid wyvern]

Yeah I am aware. Pretty sure they mentioned it

[solid wyvern]

Uhm, not really. Troo have pteras in diet on HT

[dusky surge]

It's a WIP process

In fact I believe they'll be adding debuffs for eating other carnivores

[solid wyvern]

I think that certain carnivores still will be treated as food for other carnivores

[dusky surge]

i mean yea, deino and cera likely will eat other carnivores

[solid wyvern]

That actually might be interesting but then devs should add more incentives for players to pick herbies except "grazing go brrrrr"

[dusky surge]

the insentive at one point might be the general dislike of constantly starving to death because the entire map is carnis

lmao

[solid wyvern]

Thats not the best incentive even if it will work. Frustration from starving should be the only tool for that lol

They gonna add sparring for more playbles which is probably good but it won't be only herbivores. Still needs something to make herbies more fun

[maiden temple]

Teno tail holding :3

I want to play tag with my babus

I miss pachy minigame too, it was hard to time and you end up with broken bones but we had fun while it lasted lol

[worthy steeple]

tedonosaurus

[solid wyvern]

If you talking about pachies smashing heads at each other -- devs will add sparring for it eventually

[maiden temple]

yee

[haughty grotto]

@uncut trellis I think your entire concern can be solved by simply making the rex run out of stam while pinning before the stegos health is depleted.
Literally just that simple.

That's similar to how they want to balance bary living with deinos too. Deino will run out of stam grabbing the bary before bary's oxygen depletes.

[hasty coyote]

Only issue there is that I don’t think stego can get away before the Rex just bites it to death even after the pin. And if stego can escape, then pin is gonna be detriment to use on stego if it doesn’t deal major bleed because then stego just pokes the Rex to death with power swings. And if it does deal major bleed then we are back to square one.

Also balancing deino and bary like that doesn’t save bary. Deino just lunges it before it gets to land, bites, and repeat like 2-3 times and then bary dies. Deino had a similar matchup with teno, and teno still died when the deino knew this strat.

[crimson crater]

#balance-feedback message needs to be fixed asap

[worthy steeple]

lovely

[steep echo]

my charts were made using norden free admin server. I main tiny tier dinosaurs, I do not have the patience to chart a trike's growth. Someone else will have to get the results

[viscid mica]

Ah gotcha I mean we got a pretty rough one based off people’s posts of images I was just wondering

[steep echo]

what sucks is that the resolution of weight drops after 2 tons. Instead of being 4 digits, we drop to 2

So getting an accurate chart is a no go :(

[viscid mica]

You could try a relatively accurate one

But it just won’t be pin point

[haughty grotto]

Why wouldn't the stego get away?
A sprinting stego vs a trotting rex with no stam.
If stego can escape, yes it should be detriment to use pin on stego, that is how stego stays protected and the matchup stays balanced.
A good rex will weaken the stego with a few bites before going in for the pin. And to do that it probably has to ambush otherwise it gets whacked in the face repeatedly by the tail.

[golden mantle]

Makes sense to me, realistically Rex is not going to use its entire stamina bar in the pin as draining stam to 0 could easily be a death sentence. But to be honest it would also make sense to me if a fg Rex pulled off a perfect ambush and was able to initiate a pin with full stamina that he should be able to just kill it with the cost being his entire stamina bar.

[elfin night]

Bro

Stop calling balance changes QoL to make them sound more legitimate

😭

[hasty coyote]

because stego isnt omni, it can't 180 and dash out immediately. rex would likely get a bite or 2 before stego can get out of range, especially if the rex ambushed from the front.

plus pin recovery animation

[haughty grotto]

Yeah I mean that part can be adjusted with stam drain too - make it drain fast enough so that even after a full pin and a post pin recovery animation and 1-2 bites the stego still escaped with a red health bar

[viscid mica]

Let be real Rex will trot at like a solid 18 km or so

[viscid mica]

QoL is quality of life, they wouldn’t apply to 90% of balance changes beyond very minor tweaks to help stuff, stuff better

[worthy steeple]

god i hope not

18km/h sounds more like giga, rex doesn’t need to chase it’s prey to bleed it out, i bet the trot will be slow

[iron tree]

Yeah

Rex has to get the jump on its prey

[viscid mica]

He still gonna be fast

[worthy steeple]

imo slower than stego trot at least

or the same speed

[viscid mica]

That would make no sense tbh

Longer legs easier strides

The animation would look so jank that slow

[worthy steeple]

i mean, stego got decent trot, it’s not that slow

[viscid mica]

It’s gonna be a quick trot it literally has to be to look half decent

[viscid mica]

You gonna sit here and lie to my face

[elfin night]

Logic or accuracy go behind balancing in the priority list

[viscid mica]

Yes I see no reason why bro having a faster trot between 12-18 is unbalanced bro is 100% gonna have the worst stam pool for sprinting

Yall tripping fr

[worthy steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-driving-car-gif-24331643368581285

[worthy steeple]

we had trike with faster trot speed than stego, community didn’t like it

i doubt rex will have faster trot speed

[viscid mica]

Trike is a meat ball that can stun and is a herbi meant for defence

[worthy steeple]

rex had super slow trot speed in legacy and that wasn’t an issue, idk why you think it’s impossible animation wise

[viscid mica]

Watch it

[worthy steeple]

we will see

[viscid mica]

Super slow!? You mad boy? It out trotted half the roaster with ease

[worthy steeple]

it was super slow lol, wdym😭

especially for something that can’t regenerate stamina

[iron tree]

The reason why it didn't work is because stego has a terrible matchup against armoured opponents

Nah rex had a decent trot

[worthy steeple]

i don’t think rex is going to be different, but yeah we’ll see

[iron tree]

It wasn't as great as giga's trot but it was still decent

[iron tree]

Stego literally 3 taps it

[worthy steeple]

it had the slowest trot speed between apexes

why am i saying “had” like legacy is not a game anymore lol

have

[iron tree]

But it had a faster trot than most mid tiers

[viscid mica]

It was fast brudda what

In terms of trot it was top tier

[viscid mica]

????? Rex out trotted giga legacy

[iron tree]

It didn't

It literally didn't

Giga had the fastest trot out of all carnivores

[worthy steeple]

it wasn’t no lol, it wasn’t the worst trot but it also wasn’t the best

it was horrible if you compare it with giga or spino trots

not to mention it couldn’t regenerate stamina while standing

but i mean, this all doesn’t matter, let’s wait for the rex and then we discuss

my opinion is it should have worse trot than trike lol, but it’s just my opinion

[viscid mica]

Ya know what sure I ain’t even gonna try and do legacy again

Still think Rex will have a solid trot speed

[iron tree]

It should be able to move around

And it shouldn't just die if a trike spots it

[viscid mica]

Wait where did bro say this

[viscid mica]

Cheesy your mad you’ve officially lost it. A trike walking down a Rex? Unplayable Rex amazing…..

[worthy steeple]

it will have superior sprint

[worthy steeple]

no, it’s trike being able to trot away from rex packs

trike 100% will be slower than rex so it should at least have superior trot

[viscid mica]

Brother what trike is gonna use a higher trot speed to move away

Trike if it’s done right will be able to straight face tank a Rex

[worthy steeple]

i think you’re the mad one💀

i’m just sharing my opinion and you’re so aggressive somehow lol

[viscid mica]

Aight why would trike which was slower in legacy suddenly need to faster

[viscid mica]

I’m always like this

You know that

[worthy steeple]

dude, that doesn’t matter, my game just crashed when i was standing right next to 2 ceras

that’s what’s important now

[cosmic pelican]

New cera buff yall, 100% real

[worthy steeple]

it crashed second time and when i logged back i was deep in the jungle walking into the wall

[viscid mica]

Cera op please nerf crashes game

[worthy steeple]

i’m just gonna safe log.. enough cera killing for today

[cosmic pelican]

Cera is so op it ate the games code 🔥

[worthy steeple]

i think crash logging should remove you from the server in 30 seconds, not 5 minutes…

5 minutes is insane overkill

[cosmic pelican]

2 minutes, take it or leave it

[worthy steeple]

even 2 is too much😭 minute at most

[cosmic pelican]

I know dudes who would crash their pc willingly if it meant they get an advantage

[worthy steeple]

like one minute is legit enough to krill things

[iron tree]

It'll literally be the stegosaurus situation but worse

[cosmic pelican]

Make their trots same speed✅

[worthy steeple]

that could work

[viscid mica]

I mean then you could just force DC by causing a crash and combat logging gets 100x easier

[viscid mica]

If Rex isn’t faster it makes Rex hunting stego a pipe dream

[worthy steeple]

no one will crashlog if their dino will stay on the sever for one minute..

30 seconds is enough to kill stego as cera

[cosmic pelican]

Even 1 minute would be op, crash logging cant be interrupted, unlike normal logging

[iron tree]

Great

[cosmic pelican]

Youre a stego and youre losing a fight vs an omni pack? Corner yourself, stand still for a while and crash your pc, gg you win.

You will be out before the omnis even realise you logged

[viscid mica]

You don’t even need to crash your pc just unplug your wifi

[worthy steeple]

fair

2 minutes could work, yeah

but 5 is imo TOO much

[iron tree]

Anyway. A Troodon killed my hatchling triceratops while I was afk as I was on a holiday. I was gone for two weeks and the troodon finally killed me after I got home. That's overtuned, isn't it? Please nerf troodon

[cosmic pelican]

Does it even really matter anymore, youll be able to rejoin active sessions next patch

[iron tree]

1858kg? That's op

Nerf...NERF

[worthy steeple]

so i played troodon yesterday and i didn’t mind its slowness…

my real issue is there’s nothing small to hunt, imo if they add small ai troodon will be amazing

[cosmic pelican]

1.15 pounce dmg btw, 39kmh on this thing was clearly OP 😭

[worthy steeple]

it’s 13km/h when it spawns, then it reaches 15 really fast and keep getting faster really quick

[cosmic pelican]

Once you get your first meal its ok.

Getting that first meal though...

[worthy steeple]

if there was actual small ai to hunt for troodon its speed wouldn’t be bad at all

[worthy steeple]

yeah..

[cosmic pelican]

Make it able to dig up compies and crabs like galli for like the first 10% after spawning 🙏

At least until sanctuary ai is in

[iron tree]

Yeah

[worthy steeple]

and maybe i’m crazy, but i prefer that slow speed, it looks natural not speed up like before, it’s comfortable to play as troodon.

i wish other animals weren’t unnaturally fast when they’re juvies

like teno looks like it’s 2x speed when its juvie lmao

[cosmic pelican]

Problem is if you make other juvies slow too, you end up like poor, poor HT juvi/sub maia

Free happy meal to anything that spots it

[worthy steeple]

what they did to maia is horrible, because it grows slowly and it’s harder to hide, it should actually gain its speed faster..

not to mention it’s really bad combat wise in its juvie stage

[cosmic pelican]

It wouldve been fine if it kept the old swim speed, but now it swims slower than carno istg

[iron tree]

At least you are good as an adult

[worthy steeple]

yeah..

[iron tree]

I don't mind suffering as a juvi

[cosmic pelican]

I mean yeah, but this feels like legacy bush sim

[worthy steeple]

but i think every animal should have its own way to survive, for maia there’s nothing you can really do expect constantly hiding in the bushes

[cosmic pelican]

Go away into one of the corners of the map and grow alone because youre useless until 100%

[worthy steeple]

yeah lol

[cosmic pelican]

Or have friends carry your growth

[worthy steeple]

well i guess it’s time for maia to show us why she’s called a good mother

or for the devs to fix that and give maias chance to survive🫥

[cosmic pelican]

If my survival depends on my friend's parenting skills, Im not making it past hatchling 😭 🙏

[hasty coyote]

There’s a difference between having a hard time growing, and literally having 0 options other than luck. Especially since troodon is literally one of the smallest and weakest Dinos. I know they would be annoying af as babies with good speed because they can now just cling to you for 4 mins and drain your entire stam bar, but that’s an issue of pounce and buck draining stam no matter the size of the opponent.

[iron tree]

Yeah

[worthy steeple]

XDDD

[viscid mica]

@outer tartan Ya no deino ain’t the problem fish need better spawns but beyond that don’t play demonic your new hands down one of the hardest and least fun playables atm

[outer tartan]

?wym

[brave tulip]

If there is little food or ai's around, any carnivore dino is hard to play. Besides, some people are better at one type of dino than others, some people learn faster than others too. I do not consider the Deino hard to play, or any of the othe rdinos for that matter... Well, besides the ptera... I am horrible at playing the ptera. x'DDDD

[minor axle]

Deino stinks avoid it

[dusky surge]

how would the game know its a crash log?

this argument makes very little sense to me tbh because how tf is the game gonna know you crashed

it stops sending signals to the servers the moment the game crashes because the program is no longer running. logically speaking, there's zero way to make a system that detects a crash

[worthy steeple]

read the whole discussion💀

[dusky surge]

i think 5 minutes is perfectly reasonable tbh

[worthy steeple]

and i didn’t say anything about the game knowing anything, doesn’t matter, even if you crash logged on purpose 2 minutes is more than enough for thing you’re fighting realize you crashed and come kill you

[dusky surge]

means that even an apex can't just unplug their PC while losing to troodons without risking their whole animal

[worthy steeple]

5 is overkill.

you know losing your dino to fatal error or bad internet is not the funniest thing ever, i think i can take the sacrifice and let that rex crash log to safe its life from dying to troodons

but instead i will have more chances to survive if the isle suddenly decides to no worky

[iron tree]

Well yeah

Better than crashing your pc to save your dinosaur

[viscid mica]

@outer storm the only time Rex should solo stego is when that Rex catches bro willfully unaware

[eager saddle]

And even then that should give an advantage, not an guarantee

[viscid mica]

I mean you get knocked over and hit abunch with stegos super slow get up it’s pretty much a Garantee

[neon willow]

@uncut trellis honest question: given that stego's big weapon is on the end of its tail... Why not just permit stego to use it's attack while pinned? That would be a pretty good deterrent against pinning one

Like yeah, it won't be able to move... But you're risking not being able to dodge that thagomizer either

[uncut trellis]

That could also work

[neon willow]

I think many rexes would reconsider the logic if they were taking multiple 1000 damage pops to the face and chest with the thagomizer

[viscid mica]

1000? If you can power swing that 1800 a piece to the body

[crimson crater]

#balance-feedback message this seems fair no?

[neon willow]

I'm somewhat reasonably assuming that a pin by a rex would probably reduce the force you could smash your spiky tail into their face... Eg, I think it makes reasonable sense that they might not have access to power swing when pinned

[hasty coyote]

It does depend on how much damage Rex deals. It does take like 6 swing to kill a Rex (assuming slightly over 9k hp)

[neon willow]

True. I'm hoping that the crush pin ability would be lower damage because it completely eliminates the ability for the opponent to move and (in all current cases) also prevents attacks from the opponent

[hasty coyote]

I’m hoping that pin is only useful for stuff 3 or less tons. Having attacks that remove all counterplay makes it horrible to play against and even harder to balance. Have it as a guaranteed kill for things it should 1-shot but can’t with its other attacks for balance reasons.

[viscid mica]

I mean if the Rex can pin stego with the current place holder number you don’t stand a chance and stego might as well be removed (2800 is current crush placeholder)

[neon willow]

It is a placeholder though... Plus, that also depends on how often and how quickly that damage is applied, since it's a continuously held attack

[viscid mica]

I mean if it follows its bite consistence it’s fast

[neon willow]

That would be nice. It doesn't track with the other pins in the game, but it would be incredibly overpowered if rex could one tap 8T animals with no counterplay

[neon willow]

It may not though. For example, Omni bite is incredibly slow, but it's pin is pretty quick on the damage. Rex could be the opposite

[hasty coyote]

I’m hoping it will function similarly to how deino’s lunge does by allowing to to deal HEAVY damage with a single attack and not be usable against large targets, but work more like Omni pin with the dot.

[worthy steeple]

i think ambush shouldn’t mean autowin, what if it ambushes stego and charges its butt, it should just get powerswinged

and tbf even if rex will ambush successfully without stego even noticing it even then rex should do a lot of damage, not insta kill imo..

[crimson crater]

yeah, i interpreted it as the rex would get the upperhand and be able to take it down fairly easy

[worthy steeple]

yeah that sounds fair