balance-feedback-discussion

[viscid mica]

Meaning any Ai you come across could kill you except goat

[slim dragon]

Even frogs and crabs ?

[sacred moat]

I thought I was hiding in the bushes, but she literally flew in and started pecking at me further, this will now haunt me in my nightmares

[viscid mica]

https://tenor.com/view/listen-one-job-gif-12942767

[elfin night]

Rabbits?

[viscid mica]

Yall ya know what

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN

[elfin night]

Yes

[viscid mica]

EVERY AI WORTH A DAM

[sacred moat]

AHAH

[elfin night]

Schooling fish fight back now

They are important

[sacred moat]

oh god i hope they don't add piranhas

[elfin night]

Nah

Juvenile beipis are a thing already

I once was a fresh spawn in west rail and I soloed an adult ptera who was in a pair and the other was forced to flee bleeding profusely. All in land

I couldn’t stop laughing

[sacred moat]

why is baipi in the ptera's diet, because ptera can't kill any baipi not because it doesn't do enough damage, but because baipi can always hide in the water?

[elfin night]

Cuz you can raid nests I guess

[viscid mica]

https://tenor.com/view/gxng-pxin-sxlt-salt-gif-22384449

[elfin night]

My bedroom

When I play the isle

[viscid mica]

L

That’s me when I play war thunder

[elfin night]

I am just a canni hypsi 😔

Or dryo

Or a koser with anything I play really

[viscid mica]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-hide-hide-in-trash-gif-12276102

Your a monster is what I’m hearing

[elfin night]

Yes

Proudly so

If the amount of hours I haven’t taken away from others isn’t bigger than the ones I spent growing something, it is a failure

[viscid mica]

[elfin night]

And I don’t mind death if the loss of others was twice or more than mine

[keen plover]

i don't believe you

[keen plover]

yeah you're definitely lying

[elfin night]

Why

[keen plover]

no one would do that

[elfin night]

I do that

[keen plover]

i refuse to believe it

[elfin night]

Its funny

[keen plover]

Quit lying

[elfin night]

I also kill hatchling siblings

[rustic fractal]

shut up bruh

both of ye

[elfin night]

No

Also buff beipi to 200kg, best creature in the game

[rustic fractal]

true...

1:1 twr

[elfin night]

And double bleed and damage

[rustic fractal]

real real carno wrestling beipi

[dusky surge]

its not a semi-aquatic

[elfin night]

Herra really doesn’t need to swim fast

If it gets caught in the water by a cera or a dilo it is entirely their fault

[dusky surge]

^

you can dive. use it

its arboreal, not semi-aquatic. the diving is an extra feature you CAN use, but it doesn't make you capable in the water

[elfin night]

And honestly, speaking purely of balance even though it is pure speculation…

Cera needs to swim fast in order to have alternatives to escape stuff like allos or sub rexes

[dusky surge]

if you want an arboreal semi-aquatic, fight for titanoboa lol

cause herrera ain't it

[elfin night]

Megalania…

[dusky surge]

megalania wont be an arboreal forever

although technically true

[elfin night]

Which is kinda sad imo

Although imagine a unique mutation like the ones they talked about in a devblog

Allowing megalania to climb for all of its lifetime

[viscid mica]

I don’t mind it adds depth to its growth

[vale brook]

i wouldnt mind if megalania could climb up rocks for a decent while after it loses the ability to climb trees

simply because rocks have all those groves and crevices that would likely make it a bit easier for it at those large juvie/small subadult ages

i also think the idea of a megalania climbing up highlands canyon mountain, growing out of the climbing phase entirely, and trying to get back down is hilarious

[elfin night]

Maybe

Would be cool

[steep gazelle]

I see your point, it makes sense.But 12km/h is too low for the troodon, 25km would be ideal.

[worthy steeple]

#balance-feedback message i’m sorry, but 45 minutes to grow a beipi or troodon is not good

[late torrent]

too much or not that much?

[worthy steeple]

i mean, they will grow in 20-30 minutes and imo it shouldn’t be that fast

the growth boost is capped at 300% and even tho reaching 300 is very hard, 200 is more than doable

[late torrent]

With luck of finding oragans

[worthy steeple]

for beipi is just a sanctuary, but troodon got a diet buff, has almost every herbivore and ai in the game on its diet now

so getting that 200% is easy

[late torrent]

hm , okay you are right

[worthy steeple]

tho i agree with 25km/h juvie speed, that would be great

also if it’s slow during juvie stage it could honestly have venom from the start

[late torrent]

would be nice , ngl

[dusky surge]

i just grew a troodon. its ridiculously easy once you actually FIND your first meal

you can sustain yourself on like, a crab

[worthy steeple]

tbf it’s easy, as it should be🥹

[rustic fractal]

not really

longer than that pretty sure

[elfin night]

I think troodon and anything in its weight class shouldn’t take more than like 40 minutes on perfect diet

It is a damn troodon. It dies if you sneeze on it too hard

Current live branch troodon taking an hour is abysmal because omni takes an hour and a half more or less and it is infinitely superior at everything

Troodon needed that decrease

[worthy steeple]

we’re talking about suggestion, not current build

[elfin night]

Just buff hypsi and troodon will be good with those 30ish minutes

[worthy steeple]

that’s how it is right now, around 40-50 minutes, depending on what the growth boost

could be faster

[worthy steeple]

too short, even for the troodon

[elfin night]

55 on 100% boost constantly

[elfin night]

Nah that’s too cheesy

[worthy steeple]

yeah but you usually get like 150%

and with the diet buff it will be pretty easy to grow troodons

literally everything outside of carnivores on its diet

[elfin night]

Booooooooo

Cheesy

[dusky surge]

on hypsi you do NOT need to grow faster lol

with how spit works, you literally can easily get to 300% just by eating mushrooms

genuinely, hypsi is so easy to grow

[elfin night]

Literally. The best use I’ve found for that besides sniping hatchlings it to be gastroliths but infinitely better

[dusky surge]

if you use gastroliths as a hypsi, shame

[elfin night]

Arrive at sanctuary, eat, spam spit, eat again and you grow in 10-15 minutes

[elfin night]

😭 that’s so bad

But troodon is good with a 40 minute 100% growth imo

[worthy steeple]

👹

[elfin night]

Considering it dies to everything and it can barely pull any weight

[elfin night]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-mmm-cheesy-cheese-cheesy-gif-19257011

[worthy steeple]

oh no, you’re not HIM. can’t use that gif

[elfin night]

I did

[worthy steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/yourenotthatguypal-pal-notthatguy-weak-gif-21925932

[cosmic pelican]

Bro really stole it smh

[elfin night]

I did

[jaunty cipher]

lowkey the diablo could use a nerf or something it 2 hits almost everything

[worthy steeple]

good

as it should

[jaunty cipher]

not really in a game like this having any character broken defeats the purpose as playing a carni is pointless if majority of the herb characters are just broken

including stegs who have no window of opportunity on missed strikes to attack them on or delay between attacks

[worthy steeple]

this is so wrong, i refuse to even continue the conversation

[jaunty cipher]

its not lol its proven honestly even dedicated pvp players have made videos on how broken the steg is

[golden coral]

Are they playing as something that should be able to take on a stego in the first place?

[jaunty cipher]

yea and with numbers but even baiting out hits to try to get a window of opportunity hit in theres no window as any miss you can follow up with another attack on the spot if there was more time between being able to do the attacks it would be better but with no window to seize on for poor strikes its busted and one of the more prominent players summit even put up a video showing his groups fight on one and how op it is

[golden coral]

Didn't he play cerato? Not exactly what should be hunting stegos

[hasty coyote]

Yes, but pounce NEEDS to be changed first preferably.

[golden coral]

Also the jab has rather decent openings, it's only the swing that's efficient, but it's also quite stamina draining

[jaunty cipher]

but they had numbers and were playing efficient and baiting hits out poor strikes shouldnt be rewarded needs more of a wind up or delay so people can actually try to get a hit in when a steg misses as its pretty much go in get caught and sent out in a stun and 2 hits

[cosmic pelican]

Stego can also only swing 10 times before being out of stam

[steep gazelle]

Why? This change in pounce was the most balanced one they made for Troodon.

[cosmic pelican]

Sometimes even less, a single swing can cost up to 15% stam

[jaunty cipher]

and cera id say is one of the best carnis on the evrima branch i feel like a big carni and with numbers should have more of a advantage but maybe the stun should be reduced as being able to swing twice in one stun is overkill

[golden coral]

To be fair, stego should be really good vs speed/agility, so if you rely on baiting, stego should be a rather bad target to try in the first place

[jaunty cipher]

its all you really can do against it as the stun gives them 2 free hits in and your out

[chilly echo]

#MakeCarnivoresGreatAgain

[golden coral]

My point was more so that if you rely on baiting, due to not being much of a "take the hits and hit right back", stego is probably not the best target, try for a trike instead, they have much more openings

[chilly echo]

lmao ^

[shadow vortex]

<@&933486433342222376>

#balance-feedback message and here too. At least the link is non-clickable lmao.

[jaunty cipher]

even than trikes for some reason have weird speed i dont think they should be as fast or be able to turn as quick since they weigh a ton since they aswell can take out even a cera in like 3 hits while a cera or any other carni cant i think if the stuns on alot of them were reduced it would help but the pure damage herbs do vs carnivore makes the roles reversed

[hasty coyote]

I agree with reducing the stam cost on pounce entirely. But they nerfed the stam drain on for latching on WAY too much. You can latch onto something for 4 minutes. That’s longer than most dinos entire run times. Which means if you don’t buck off or brush off a baby troodon, you will run out of stam. And even if you do, you’re down a chunk of stam and not guaranteed to even kill it because it’s so small. It’s already going to be an incredibly annoying to deal with juvie Omnis, a juvie troodon whose either mixpacking, packing with other Troodons, or simply just wanting to troll is going to be a nightmare.

Hence why I’m saying pounce needs changes. Either remove the stam drain a target latching on your side, make the stam drain weight dependent, or make the stamina drain still tick every like 5 seconds, but tick for 5x as much so it won’t affect tap pouncing but holding on stays the same.

Because I agree, 15kph troodon is abysmal, but these insane pounce changes are to blame.

[golden coral]

Well, to be fair, cera is a small, mostly scavenger playable, it's probably better to look at omni, troodon even, or upcoming allo and rex as better hunters, and treat cera more like carno, they don't really have the role of larger game hunters

[chilly echo]

Lowkey, we had a pack of 6 Omnis yesterday and got wiped by Herbivores like it was nothing. They're such tanks, with too much stamina and far too quick of a reaction time and attack cooldown 🤷‍♂️

[hasty coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-meme-mods-gif-14385308006689816010

[hasty coyote]

What were you fighting?

[chilly echo]

People be playing Herbivores like hunting dinos just because of how crazy good they are. It doesn't make sense imo

[chilly echo]

Stego

[jaunty cipher]

omnis get one shot like crazy by trikes or almost any other herb their low healthpool makes them such a weak character

[golden coral]

How come it's always going after the worst possible target, and then complaining

[chilly echo]

Might I ask then, since it's the "worst possible target", what can kill it? Cause everything me and my group have tried, they're near impossible to kill.

[hasty coyote]

Stegos new power swing is hard to deal with, since stego is literally DESIGNED to be an Omni nightmare. Animal that attacks flanks vs flank defense the animal.

What you want to do is bait out those power swings, each of them costs 10% stam, so it only has like 10 of those or less. Then you just get as many Omnis as you can on it at once and grapple it and maul it.

[chilly echo]

This game is supposed to be about how each dino has it's pros and cons, right now, the way I see it the Herbivores have little to no drawbacks

[golden coral]

Currently, few things, allo, and more importantly, rex will change that. Currently trikes and dibbles can also kill stegos, if you absolutely need a playable that wrecks it. At night time I imagine dilos would do well, considering stegos NV or lack thereof.

And yes, baiting out the swings would be the way to go, but generally stego would be weaker vs things that can take a hit and hit back, since it has its extra head weakness and limitations in mobility when attacking

[chilly echo]

I am just a casual player with friends, we want to play different dinos and have fun. But being forced to use a HERBIVORE to attack another Herbivore doesn't make any sense. Herbivores having no predator big enough or strong enough just makes them click and play characters with 0 skill.

[jaunty cipher]

you legit just proved my point needing another herb to kill a busted herb as the current carni list has has no pros to beat majority of herb characters

[golden coral]

That's because we're lacking in larger carnis, those more suited to take on a stego, but you have trike and dibble, that should generally struggle more than stego vs small and agile hunters

[hasty coyote]

Stegos? Not much atm since we don’t really have a carnivore in game that’s anywhere near its size range. You have to have a very coordinated group, prey on a bad stego, or prey on a young one atm. However Rex is coming soon so that should be the answer to stego you need.

Still, stego is hard countered by 1 simple maneuver, look away, hold shift, and hold W. Suddenly, stego is no longer a threat as it simply can’t catch you.

[slim dragon]

@nimble quail Your link is broken

[chilly echo]

Dont even get me started with the hit boxes and the fact stegos have a reach of a 1000 yards 😂

So until new carnis gets released, avoid stego and dibbles?

[golden coral]

Dibble should be a decent target, not sure how good their sparring movement is, but otherwise, yes, or well, go for stegos at more opportune times if possible, alternatively, go trike and bully them xD

[chilly echo]

Trike isn't on evrima yet sadly, waiting on that lol

[golden coral]

Ah, you're staying on main branch?

[jaunty cipher]

well this is what i was getting at as the current list of carnis aint feeling like carnis against the majority picked strong herbs

[golden coral]

Aside from stego, and possibly trike, the rest of the herbis should be pretty huntable

Even dibble should be possible to take down I think

[hasty coyote]

Stego:
pros: hits very very hard, has wide attacks, big. Most things that approach better make sure they know how to deal with you.

Cons: slow, long start/end lag on most attacks, insane stam cost on attacks. It can’t pick its fights and it’s very baitable and punished hard for falling to baits.

[hasty coyote]

That’s more the issue of lacking an actual large hunter while having multiple large prey options. Like cera is meant to be more scavenger and carno is designed to bully smalls. So our 2 largest (land) carnivores simply don’t have the tools to deal with large herbivores (tho ceras tend to be good at it anyway because they are just strong). Once we get Rex and other large carnivores the issue will fade.

[chilly echo]

is it true that rex and allo are going to be tiny?

[jaunty cipher]

yea thats on the money and the most popular pick on servers atm are the steg and trike so your kind of left without a suitable option and idk what that one herbs name is who has the super long tail and neck and does a back kick does it pretty crazy

[chilly echo]

Teno ^

[golden coral]

What?

[jaunty cipher]

he means like their seize when they show up on the evrima branch

[golden coral]

Why would they be?

Isn't rex about trike size, and allo, I don't know to be fair, but around maia sized I think, or similar

[chilly echo]

Saw online, from live streams and videos, that they're going to be roughly the size of a large herbi?

[golden coral]

Are you talking visual size or stats/weight/size like that?

[chilly echo]

visual

[golden coral]

Ah, well, I don't know there, but I doubt it, since normally visual size matches the weight, hence why there's been some changes like that, with size changing and then visual model to fit, or the other way around

So if rex is trike size, which I think it'll be, 9T or some such, then I imagine it'll have the visual size to match

[iron tree]

@sacred moat Crocodiles are way faster than Hippos

Hippos don't even swim that quick

they push themselves off the ground to go faster or just walk on the bottom of the body of water

and Triceratops is a 9.5t terrestrial tank

it doesn't have to swim as fast as cera and teno

[elfin night]

@late relic only nerf cera needs is to make the charged bite no longer a primary offensive weapon

Everything else is JUST FINE

[worthy steeple]

humble 99% bleed resistance

[iron tree]

honey badger cera

I love Ceratosaurus but I don't want it to be that strong

it's in my top 6 favourite dinosaurs :(

Diabloceratops, Suchomimus, Giganotosaurus, Parasaurolophus, Carnotaurus and Ceratosaurus

[elfin night]

Good to stand a chance against many enemies especially since body buff doesn’t seem to work at times

[sacred zodiac]

#balance-feedback message

this cant be real, is it?

[hasty coyote]

Funny thing is, if he wants it to be like a hippo, then it shouldn’t swim at all lmao. Hippos don’t swim, they sink and run+jump off the bottom.

[solid wyvern]

#balance-feedback message. No. Devs trying to minimize carnies being in diets of other carnies as much as possible which they planning to do further

[steep gazelle]

A small prey Hunter that does not have its main source of diet...

And don't even talk about organs, because the amount of // that organs give, that aren't from dinos like Dibble or Maia, are few.

[cosmic pelican]

Tbf Id take having a worse diet for far superior stam efficiency any day

[keen plover]

What small Dino’s does Carno hunt then

[solid wyvern]

tbf it could use goats in lipids diet

[keen plover]

Ai hunter Carno….

[solid wyvern]

Some other small dinos which aren't dilo

[keen plover]

No one plays them lol

[solid wyvern]

Pachy, dryo, gally

[keen plover]

Carno has all 3 already

[solid wyvern]

There are always some pachys and gallys

[keen plover]

Pachy is carb diets

And Galli’s aren’t that common from my experience. Dilo is

[vale brook]

omniraptor, dilophosaurus, sub ceratosaurus, sub tenontosaurus, pretty much anything under 1200kg lol

[keen plover]

Growing Dino’s I guess count but what’s the issue of Carno having dilo on its diet list

And those creatures aren’t lipids

[vale brook]

but yeah carno could use goat on lipids

[keen plover]

Like dilo was 💔

[vale brook]

with its changes in HT i think its finally deserving of having one AI on atleast all diets

well i thought it was deserving once they downsized it but now it would REALLY be nice for it

[keen plover]

Eh personally don’t like fg Dino’s having ai options past a certain size. But personal preference

[elfin night]

even cera in the open is doable

if they have no water nearby they are kinda cooked

[hasty coyote]

I think carno is the max size since it’s designed to hunt right around and above the size of most our ai.

Tho tbh i think carno having other carnis on its diet is fine since its diet options are also so restrictive. So I say why not both?

[sacred zodiac]

dude when have you ever even seen a dryo besides when evrima came out and it was an ai...

galli is far more agile than carno while also being very fast, and likely would just evade the carno

dilo is the only other thing that would reasonably fill carno's lipids diet

[sacred zodiac]

what are its changes in ht, havent played yet

[sacred zodiac]

the problem is, two of those 4 arent even on carno's diet

I was a bit upset that carno was being forced into a small game hunter playstyle, now i dont mind and im more upset that its not really even allowed to do so

"You can only hunt small game, but only a few of them"

[dusky surge]

Today I learned docktor blocked me. Only time ive cared about being blocked on Islecord

I wanted to upvote his beipi feedback

[hasty coyote]

truly a sad day

[vale brook]

something not being on your diet does not make then unhuntable or somehow bad for you to hunt

you can still get some form of diet from them, even if it is a decent bit less than your normal diet options

[sacred zodiac]

kinda defeats the purpose tho, does it not

[vale brook]

no? it is still food, and you still get diet

just because the game isnt handing you the best of the best or incredibly easy diet options doesnt mean those non diet options are worthless to you

if you're a herbivore, yeah maybe considering plants dont contain all 3 diets like every animal in game does

[sacred zodiac]

they arent worthless however they are worth LESS

[vale brook]

yes, a very important distinction

[sacred zodiac]

meaning its better for me to go after anything else 💀

[vale brook]

if youre starving and pass up a dilo because its not on your diet, that is your fault lol

[sacred zodiac]

theres a difference between starving and just going for something else

[vale brook]

if you want to exclusively go after diet options, be my guest

dont be surprised when it doesnt work out too well though

i could understand if non diet food made you sick but you still benefit from non diet food as a carnivore regardless lol

[sacred zodiac]

im only ever gonna eat non-diet food if im starving with no other options

or if i spot a lone cerato, then im gonna kill it anyway

[vale brook]

and you will still get immense diet from it

[sacred zodiac]

immense is a stretch

I will get diet

[vale brook]

cerato organs are very good for carno considering theyre around the same size lol

you can get a real good dots diet going, plus a decent amount with the other organs

stomach is a gamble though who knows what youll get from that

[sacred zodiac]

do you still risk vomiting from eating stomachs

[vale brook]

i have never heard of vomitting from eating stomachs so i assume not

[sacred zodiac]

im pretty sure that was a thing

or the corpse rotted as i grabbed the stomach

either or idk i avoided stomachs afterward

[eager saddle]

If you open the body you have 5 minutes give or take before the organs rot, regardless of how new the body is

[viscid mica]

@steep gazelle cera having crazy good bleed res? Yikes

@north owl stego swings do cost stam ALOT of stam as a matter of fact

5% for full power jab
10% power swing
15%+ sprint cost for charge swing

@hazy jetty What about omni jump and pounce is broken?

[hazy jetty]

Getting bugged down while jumping

[viscid mica]

Oh that’s not a omni problem that just desync

What your computer the server and others computer are seeing are not in alignment so it resets your position to match what it believes it should be

[hazy jetty]

Okay, good to know

[viscid mica]

Ya desync is effects omni pounce and troodon as a matter of fact and cause be the cause of much annoyances

Constant improvements to that are being made but there is only so much they can do before your pc and wifi come into contention

[hazy jetty]

Yea, no worries there. Just happend lately alot and maybe just because ht is out

[viscid mica]

Ye omni gets heavily effected by desync so I can understand the frustration especially if you play in groups

[hazy jetty]

Yea, but good to know its just desync

[viscid mica]

Ye

[solid wyvern]

Guy stubbornly ignores organs

[sacred zodiac]

i dont ignore them

its just more beneficial to eat things on your diet regardless of organs

[iron tree]

@alpine plover just be patient

Tyrannosaurus will be in testing after trike

[alpine plover]

In what another 4 months?

[iron tree]

And allo will follow soon after the release of the current HT

[alpine plover]

Yes but u won’t see any of this for probably another 6 months to year

[iron tree]

Nah, trike is in testing and it might get its sparring next week. After sparring is tested they're gonna yoink trike and test rex

[iron tree]

I doubt it'll be 6 months but you should be glad you're getting allo

[alpine plover]

I’ve been playing this game forever Ik how long they take they say soon it’s 6 months my guy to a year

[dusky surge]

Even if it did take that long, which we know it won’t, what exactly does it matter lol

[alpine plover]

Bc trike comes in nonething u can do to it

[iron tree]

There is

Just walk away

[dusky surge]

You can leave. And I’ve seen more than enough players kill trike to know it’s not that big a deal

[alpine plover]

It’s broken just like if rex came first ppl would of complained it’s not fair till they got trike or some

[iron tree]

WHAT IF

It's a testing branch

[dusky surge]

^

[alpine plover]

But once testing is done comes straight to the game

[dusky surge]

Literally not release for a reason

[iron tree]

WHAT IF....they confirmed to add trike and rex at the same time

[dusky surge]

Hell, trike isn’t even DONE yet lol

[iron tree]

They're gonna test trike first then rex then both of them at the same time

[dusky surge]

They’re still yet to implement sparring

[iron tree]

Once the testing is done you'll have them both

And after the release I'll give allo like a month before being in testing as well

[alpine plover]

We will see ig doubt it tho

[iron tree]

I mean the thing with rex and trike was confirmed by dondi

[dusky surge]

Brother they literally confirmed Rex to come alongside trike in the same update lol

[iron tree]

Just be patient

[alpine plover]

Yes but the problem is it will take them 6 months to come to the game ppl will get mad which ppl already are bc the lack of content and they will release trike and it will go on a rampage till rex or something that can actually compete comes

[dusky surge]

Based on literally what evidence?

Update 6.5 added 4 animals in one update

[iron tree]

Trike is slower than stego

[alpine plover]

The way the devs are

U get like 2 updates a year if u haven’t noticed

The game has been in beta for 10+ yrs

[iron tree]

Unless you want to fight them it's not gonna get ya

[dusky surge]

In that year a total of 6 animals were added, as well as a new map and plenty new systems. The idea that they can’t manage Rex and trike is laughable

[iron tree]

Misinformation

[alpine plover]

How that misinformation

[iron tree]

Evrima itself isn't 10 years old

[alpine plover]

I said the game

[iron tree]

You can't count legacy into that

[dusky surge]

Legacy is effectively a different game

Like let’s be honest

[alpine plover]

Isle is 10+ years old Evirma is 3+ yrs old

Look at little content we have had since envirma

[dusky surge]

????

[iron tree]

But legacy wasn't a beta

[vale brook]

we have more content in evrima than legacy...

[alpine plover]

Yes it was

[dusky surge]

EVRIMA is already significantly larger than legacy lol

[iron tree]

😭

[alpine plover]

The game was in beta

[vale brook]

"little content" was the 7 dinosaurs in a 1 year span not enough for you

[iron tree]

They're about to close the gameplay loop

[alpine plover]

Then they fully released it bc they were running out of time but even said the game was not fully done

[iron tree]

I doubt evrima lacks content

[alpine plover]

Bc they were gonna get removed from steam if they didn’t release already

[vale brook]

this is factually untrue

the game is still in early access and says so still on the steam page lol

they never released or left early access

[alpine plover]

Yes evrima is actually boring in the state it’s in now

[vale brook]

thats not what you claimed though

you claimed it had little content compared to legacy

which is once again, objectively untrue

[alpine plover]

No envirma is boring

Lack of playables 3+ yrs and they have gotten a dozen of each playables like cmon thats crazy and they never release no where on time

[vale brook]

once again

[iron tree]

LACK OF PLAYABLES??? 😭

[vale brook]

almost everything in that sentence is just untrue

[alpine plover]

How?

[vale brook]

can we please not lie lol

[alpine plover]

I haven’t lied about anything

[iron tree]

We got 8 dinosaurs in the last 3 years

[alpine plover]

Over half the community has stayed on legacy bc envirma is fun for about a month then stale bc lack of playables

Tell me if I’m wrong

[vale brook]

you are wrong

[iron tree]

Soon to be eleven playables

[keen plover]

Legacy Dino’s suck lol

[alpine plover]

More to pick from then envirma

[vale brook]

legacy barely has any active servers left to begin with lol

[vale brook]

(evrima has more survival dinosaurs than legacy at this point)

[alpine plover]

Envirma for the first year u had about 6 playables

I mean cmon

[vale brook]

you mean in the beginning of development it was lacking content?

[iron tree]

Legacy has three communities that are still alive

[vale brook]

also, why would they focus on playables before working on roster wide mechanics? thats what they did with legacy, and look how absolutely broken it turned out

[keen plover]

What do legacy Dino’s even do lol. Left click? Of course there would be more. There is barely a gameplay difference between each Dino in that version

[vale brook]

of course setting up the frame work for the entire game took priority, what else do you expect?

[iron tree]

Dryo was the only thing to have a unique mechanic

[alpine plover]

Them not to take 3+ years to let out content game is to stale

[vale brook]

dryo and rex

rex had bonebreak

[vale brook]

name one thing that has been in active development for 3 years and still has not been added

[iron tree]

It was still lmb gaming

[vale brook]

true lol

[keen plover]

Legacy movement was also horrendous 💔

[vale brook]

because saying "'no content has been added" and then turning around and defending legacy is WILD when we have nearly double the content legacy had AND in less time than it took legacy

i am begging people to know what theyre talking about before claiming it as fact PLEASE

[iron tree]

Legacy had barely any survival elements

You basically ran around killing stuff

[obtuse ocean]

What survival elements do we have here? Its one of the easiest game to grow

[iron tree]

Well the basic stuff. Nesting, food, growth, water, etc. but evrima has diets, soon an actual gameplay loop and mutations

I'd like to have even more survival elements like sicknesses

[vale brook]

diet is pretty survival focused generally, some mutations help as well, but its true EVRIMA still lacks a complete survival gameloop

elders cant come soon enough 🤞

[obtuse ocean]

so all we had in legacy? Only diets, but they are just there, survival is still same

[obtuse ocean]

I mean true, hopefully it will change some

[iron tree]

Legacy didn't have elders

And the elder system might be able to solve some problems

[obtuse ocean]

Yea, but not if its as easy as now. Growing/surviving etc.

[iron tree]

Because yk "wanna be powerful and strong to murder even better? Yeah? Then go. Survive."

[vale brook]

diet will also have more effect with the elder system incoming since overall diet throughout your life is implied to effect how strong/week you are as an elder

but since thats related to elders i wouldnt count it yet

[iron tree]

Do you want growth to be as punishing as dark souls?

[obtuse ocean]

Nah just hard,i dont wanne thrive with ease

[vale brook]

i think combat mutations also slightly trivialized survival in some aspects

for instance, congen hypo completely breaks the "any mistake could be your last" effect that a large portion of the survival aspect relies on in this game. it genuinely allows you to make mistake after mistake and just continue to fight because you magically have more health against a 1kg larger animal

i swear, 99% of the main problems with survival (sorta) and the problematic species can almost directly be traced back to combat/speed mutations

[dusky surge]

even then bonebreak could be applied to literally any attack, so not really.

anky had it before it was bizarrely removed from the animal built to break bones

literally dryo was like, the only animal with a TRULY unique mechanic that nothing else had

[obtuse ocean]

I mean for its time legacy was great, not much else you could do with it.

[dusky surge]

me facing a cliff realising my time as a carno is at an end (it cannot turn around to save its life)

[edgy crow]

[crimson crater]

#balance-feedback message lost me on the reduce vomit’s impact on water part

[vale brook]

id actually prefer if it focused on reducing water more than food

which sounds a little weird but vomitting can be very dehydrating lol

[crimson crater]

water sources are almost everywhere on the map, never been dehydrated by a cerato

[vale brook]

yeh its not usually the thing that you worry about the most which kinda sucks

[vale brook]

i meant in real life with this

[crimson crater]

yea

[viscid mica]

@alpine plover Rex is coming same HT

[elfin night]

@alpine plover BRUH, rex is coming this hordetest as well

We are just testing trike on a basic level atm

But both are gonna release in the same update

And Allo is right after them

[iron tree]

Or we just reintroduce its slide

So its charged bite isn't spammable and has some kind of punishment for missing

[sonic flame]

Worth noting, there’s a catch 22 on allowing anything while vomiting

The visual effect for vomit is part of the animation

Allowing players to, for example, attack with a bite during vomit means you cancel the animation and don’t spawn the visual effect

This means Cera players do not get an animation, sound, visual or scent cue to let them know a player has vomited

[worthy steeple]

because sounds and bright yellow puddle on the ground is apparently not enough?

[worthy steeple]

that’s not how it works, vomit itself is not part of the animation, it just spawns on the ground.

it’s not related.

[elfin night]

literally that

and also imo with rex in the game there would be no need for ceras to make anything above maia size vomit

so that could be toned down but I think no stamina cost charged bite and one hit vomit on omnis and dilos is fine

literally what cera is supposed to do and is going to need to be any deterring to other carnivores

if you took away the vomit animation lock cera wouldn't really have much cc to gain priority in trades against stuff like juvenile rexes

or young allos

or hell, even carnos since they do the same damage

[sonic flame]

Puddle doesn’t spawn if animation doesn’t play

[sonic flame]

The cue to spawn the vomit is in the animation, like how the walk animation has cues to spawn footsteps

If you cancel the animation before the cue to spawn the puddle plays, then you get no puddle

[worthy steeple]

how’s paddle related to animation?

[sonic flame]

I just told you

[sonic flame]

^

[worthy steeple]

wait you know that animation can be cancelled?

and it still spawns the puddle

[sonic flame]

there is a thing in the animation that says “At this time, spawn the effect”

If you stop the animation before the cue to spawn the effect the puddle doesn’t spawn

[worthy steeple]

and if it doesn’t for some reason then just fix the bug and remove the stun lock, i don’t see an issue here

it’s easily fixable

[sonic flame]

Because it’s not bugged, it is intended that the puddle spawns at a certain point in the animation, like how footsteps only spawn in certain parts of the walk animation

If you made the puddle instantly spawn with no animation that would “fix” it, but that’s not how it is intended to function, since then you’d spawn the puddle, start playing the animations, and then vomit on top of the existing puddle

Like… that’s just how vfx works when it’s spawned by an animation, again, footsteps

[fast breach]

Is there anyway to have the puddle ‘spawn’ at beginning of animation— and it be essentially invisible— only to appear after the timeframe the animation should’ve been completed even if it got cancelled ?

[sonic flame]

The vomit puddle is effectively a fancy footstep, and just like it you can’t spawn it if the animation is interrupted before it reaches the flag to spawn it

[sonic flame]

Yes but you’d still have the flag to make it visible tied to animation timing

So again, cancel animation, skip flags

[fast breach]

Can the animation be cancelled before it even gets like 1 second in?

[sonic flame]

Running it on a separate system could be possible but that’s also another thing for the server to track, which generally should be avoided if you don’t need to add it

[sonic flame]

Rn no, but the suggestion is to allow the animation to be skipped by any other action

There’s been bugs in the past that allowed you to skip animations with other actions, and every time it results in the same thing, effects that would be spawned by the animation are skipped as well

In the case of vomit, if you skip the anim, you skip the vomit puddle

[sonic flame]

I’ve seen the animation cancelled by Cc and it fails to spawn the puddle, and there’s been builds in the past that allowed you to cancel the animation. Doing so would prevent the puddle from being spawned, which is the reason it’s like this

If it was as simple as “just let them do anything but spawn the puddle anyway” we would have that. The current version is the way it is due to limitations on spawning the vfx

The same applies to the sounds btw, skipping the vomit animation would skip the sound cues as well, so to other players nothing would look or sound any different

[cobalt dagger]

Perhaps make a unique animation for both attacking and vomiting. It would be work but it is possible, and it would be realistic for things such as teno who do not attack with their mouth usually anyway.

That or, allow the vomiting to happen 2 minutes after biting would actually make me equally happy.

I think cera's ability to make larger things vomit is very important to cera's bile being a deterrant, if it took 5 bites to make a rex vomit then Cera are free food, there's very little chance a cera can run away in time, dodge in time, or land five bites in time. Unless Rex's turn radius is really that awful.

[sonic flame]

Main issue with attack and vomiting is how disproportionately bite-heavy carnivore attacks are

[hasty coyote]

to be fair, cera is designed to bully carnivores off corpses, so having better tools to deal with carnivores than herbivores does work for it.

[cobalt dagger]

I agree with this

[sonic flame]

Yeah, tho it’s also going to be a pain for ceratopsians, Pachy, and possibly others

[cobalt dagger]

Well that's why I think unique animations for attacking-while-vomiting should exist.

[hasty coyote]

only ceratopsian it would be a problem for is diablo. Smaller ones would just die anyway and bigger ones should just maul ceras regardless. Pachy already can't fight a cera unless its in a group, and aint staying close enough for an attack lock to matter. So at most I can see like 3-4 matchups still being unhealthy with the change, and many other being much better with it.

Tho I personally just want the vomit to either happen later, or preferably rework bacteria to instead directly lock out stats like vomit rather than use vomit.

[worthy steeple]

#balance-feedback message i feel like night vision like this encourages people to use gamma or cheats, so what we have in game right now is legit gamers suffering from bad night vision and cheaters getting an advantage.

and honestly it reminds me of legacy night vision situation and how almost everyone was using gamma, because if you don’t you put yourself in a massive disadvantage, because everyone who uses gamma will see you from far away and all you see is only what is right next to you

i don’t see anything wrong with giving worst possible night vision to dino’s like trike or stego, but it should never be just pitch black, you literally can’t see where’re you going, as a galli i fell off the cliff once because nv was so dark i couldn’t see anything, so basically the only thing you can do is sit in the bush and hide during nighttime

and i’m not sure if it’s underdeveloped mechanic or just bad game design

[edgy crow]

I feel like the bare minimum should be seeing your model completely at all times

[hasty coyote]

Having a hard time seeing is fine, but being blind is just bad for the game as a whole.

[untold coyote]

Would it be better to buff stego a little to be faster/better stam management to be able to at least get away from trike, or nerf trike's speed and/or combat/stam sustain?

Maybe a mix, make steg slightly faster, and give some of trikes attacks stam drain?

[hasty coyote]

they nerfed trikes speed enough and I think that was the best route for multiple reasons:
1: trike was already REALLY fast with that trot, its was going to become a problem with other apexes if it kept that speed
2: Stego relies HEAVILY on stamina to fight since its attacks have heavy costs. Even if it could make good distance with all its stam, if a trike was able to follow the walking billboard, it would easily kill it
3: Even if trike could only basic attack the stego, it would win. Since trike (based on diablo since I havent tested it) has a 1/4th damage reduction to the head, and stego takes 2x damage to the head, trike beats stego in a face tank at pretty much any angle.
4: people would NOT be happy with a stego speed buff, and honestly its unnecessary since trike needed a speed nerf anyway.

[worthy steeple]

i think it’s pretty easy to get away from the trike as a stego, the stun lock is probably the only issue

[untold coyote]

Oh I didn't realize they addressed the speed already

[worthy steeple]

is it just me or they increased the knockdown duration on HT?

[hasty coyote]

yeah it was nerfed last patch.

[hasty coyote]

yeah I noticed that in the clips I have seen, it seems to start the get up animation later but the stun immunity timer hasnt changed so stun locking is back

[untold coyote]

yay

[hasty coyote]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778350416831709314/1335474387591368764/carno_funny_theisle.gif

[edgy crow]

#balance-feedback message why should Carno be an equal to cera? Carno is so much faster

Them being equal would be unbalanced

[worthy steeple]

oh

i like that knockdown duration got increased tbh, it was ridiculous fast on some animals before, but the knockdown immunity time should get increased as well

[vale brook]

@pale bolt #balance-feedback message "they should be equal!" >asks for the carno that destroyed cerato at every single chance it got to come back

carno v cerato is already a very even fight if its a standard 1v1 with no body, it just requires skill from the players

[iron tree]

they have never been equal

well once

but besides gateway-launch carno, cera has always had the upper hand

[edgy crow]

Good

[iron tree]

Carnotaurus hater spotted

https://tenor.com/view/iron-fist-marvel-rivals-marvel-rivals-gif-12780761128257719697

[vale brook]

iron fist go brrr

[iron tree]

I am playing Iron Fist rn

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message

"Trike feels powerful"

Yes that is the idea

[vale brook]

@nocturne mesa trike is an apex, it's going to be very powerful. its actually weaker than it will be in the end right now due to not having sparring. you can survive every encounter with a trike by simply pressing shift + w #balance-feedback message

[dusky surge]

slowest land animal in the game. you can choose to never engage with it

[thorn mountain]

bbbut I cant 1v1 it as cera 😦

[vale brook]

(even then, some are)

ok maybe an exaggeration but 5/6 ton trikes have been steamrolled by a cerato or two from what ive seen

[thorn mountain]

yeah but thats without all the funny stuff

[vale brook]

so true

i can not wait for trike sparring

[dusky surge]

but that'll make it so OP!!!

makes it hard for my cera to assride it and kill it :(

[nocturne mesa]

i said a bit thats what im talking about

[dusky surge]

but like

that means they need a buff?

[iron tree]

The humble w + shift buttons

I hate autocorrection

And autocorrection hates me

[vale brook]

sub apexes getting taken out by cerato = they need to be nerfed?

[nocturne mesa]

a bit shouldnt mean remove its defense, make it 500 kg, remove its legs and let it crawl on the ground. its just that it feels a bit too powerful. i mean its worth the hours of grind and all but yeah.

[nocturne mesa]

well thats the balancing

[dusky surge]

thats not balanced lol

that means trike is far too weak

[iron tree]

You can also not fight it

[thorn mountain]

this aint a oh I can fight everything game

[nocturne mesa]

in sub adult but adults are beasts

[vale brook]

so the 6 ton apex should be dying to 1 or 2 ceratos?

because sub adult trike is still a huge creature. sub adult does not equal small

[iron tree]

If the massive herbivore can easily overpower and kill you

[nocturne mesa]

no? im talking about full growth trike

[dusky surge]

full growth trike is meant to be rival to rex. it has to be strong

[iron tree]

Then why would you bother fighting it

[vale brook]

oh my god you want 1 or 2 ceratos to kill full growth trike????

what the hell do you mean

[nocturne mesa]

no i said a bit

[edgy crow]

we don't know if trike is too powerful or not because there are no other apexes (besides stego and deino) to compete with it

[nocturne mesa]

stego cant compete with it

[thorn mountain]

9.5T triceratops vs 2 1.3T carnivores

[dusky surge]

and stego and deino are not built to fight a trike lol

[rapid flume]

and no real mid tier carnivores

[vale brook]

which is why stego doesnt even have to shift + w away now, it just presses w

[nocturne mesa]

stego can only kill a 40% trike

or 50

[vale brook]

so? walk away from them

[dusky surge]

i fail to see how thats an issue

[vale brook]

you are going to be forced to move by bigger animals sometimes.

[nocturne mesa]

cool okay

[vale brook]

if you want to stay, thats your right. dont be surprised when you see the respawn screen though

[nocturne mesa]

nah im just noting simple things out

[vale brook]

apexes are just that, apexes. they are not going to be brought down to make non apexes feel more secure

[edgy crow]

if trike is somehow too powerful for rex to hunt, even with an ambush (it probably won't be), then trike will be nerfed

but trike SHOULD NOT be balanced around the current roster

[vale brook]

you're wanting the nurse shark to take out a humpback here

[nocturne mesa]

okay bro but i didnt say to debuff it to the point that a pack of ceratos can kill it

[iron tree]

^

[vale brook]

but they already are

so if you nerf it, its STILL going to happen and likely more often

[iron tree]

Anyway...I hate Carno's current model size

[vale brook]

kinda true

[edgy crow]

please don't be a carno weight buff advocate

[nocturne mesa]

i'd say make it op like carno but more op

[iron tree]

GOD. DAMN. IT. I HATE autocorrection

[iron tree]

Model size

Purely visual

[thorn mountain]

carno OP? wait what

[vale brook]

i would like to see a slightly larger carno model size

[nocturne mesa]

compared to cerato

[vale brook]

????????????????????? carno and cerato have been pretty even ever since carnos nerf during the NV update

[iron tree]

Cera looking larger than Carno hurts me both mentally and physically

[vale brook]

cera looking larger than cera

[nocturne mesa]

carno can easily 1v1 a cerato right?

[vale brook]

no? its usually about a 50/50%. its almost entirely up to skill between those two

[iron tree]

Cera has always had the upper hand

[vale brook]

maybe slightly more cera sided actually due to the higher potential damage output

[edgy crow]

it requires a lot of effort from the carno (charge spamming)

[nocturne mesa]

well idk i kill ceras easily in 1v1 as carno

maybe bc they overestimate me and they run so i win

[vale brook]

trade charges with charged bites

do 300 damage on its head for every 100 damage it does to you

[iron tree]

The only Carno built that was equal to cera was the gateway-launch carno

[vale brook]

that carno will drop very fast, especially if you get in extra bites while its puking

[iron tree]

I should probably sleep

[vale brook]

similarly, bait charge bites and hit headshots with your ram and that cerato will drop very quickly

[iron tree]

Did they fight you in the open?

[nocturne mesa]

no

like half forest half open

[iron tree]

Yeah that's their mistake

I never fight carnos in the open unless I'm a dibble

I always retreat to a jungle

Or I use my terrain

[nocturne mesa]

well maybe my feedback failed miserably

should keep it to myself

[iron tree]

Forests have been Carno's counter since legacy

[vale brook]

no, all feedback is valuable regardless if it actually would have a positive effect or not

you never know what idea of yours will connect with the community

if you have an idea for the game, its a good idea to share it so a) you have a solid layout of how the idea would work and b) get others opinions on it to help further elevate it and improve upon it

dont feel discouraged :P

[worthy steeple]

#balance-feedback message so ai shouldn’t be on ceras diet because.. it can eat bones and rotten? how’s that related lmao?

i bet it only got upvoted because of general hate towards cera (i appreciate that) because we should nerf cera just for the sake of nerf (i dont appreciate that)

[dusky surge]

no i generally agree with the sentiment

cera doesn't need AI on its diet. it should be encouraged further into its scavenger role

[worthy steeple]

well let’s be real, it’s not a scavenger and probably never will be if they won’t rebalance it and until then i don’t think it really needs that nerf

[dusky surge]

okay? i dont see what its current state. its identity remains the same. add more playables onto it and remove the AI

[worthy steeple]

to me ai is basically carnivore grazing, i think it should either give diets to everyone or not give any diets at all😳

[dusky surge]

grazing doesnt give diets. so dont let AI give diets

personally i think thats a bizarre ultimatum

[rapid flume]

ai'll all have organs soon anyway

[dusky surge]

sadly

[worthy steeple]

wait really?

why😭

[rapid flume]

ai playables

[mint heart]

how often do you even come across ai anyways? Ill take anything that might shorten my otherwise several hours grow time

[worthy steeple]

oh those ones

[worthy steeple]

pretty often, not on HT tho

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message

just got onto maia to test this. holy god its bad that is inexcusable

[worthy steeple]

isn’t that a good thing? slower animals now actually have a chance to swim away at least

maia is fast enough on land it needs a terrible swimming speed to balance that

[dusky surge]

no you dont understand

there is "slow to give other playables a chance :)" and then there's what maia has

maia's swim speed is a SIN

[worthy steeple]

did you record it by any chance?

is it worse than pachys? xdd

[dusky surge]

its uh

its probably worse than stego's

[worthy steeple]

well it’s not that bad

maia doesn’t need the swimming speed anyway, like it’s actually fast enough to outrun things..

that’s what i wanted from the start and im glad they nerfed trike/maia/dibble swimming speeds, they really didn’t need that.

especially trike🫥

my main issue with the maia currently is it’s awful land speed, kinda sad they nerfed speed of an animal that can only run away from things in its juvie or even sub stage, because it’s not really a fighter until it’s close to being fg.

swimming speed was a thing that actually helped smaller maias escape predators, so i really expected a speed buff to compensate swimming speed nerf, but we just got 2 nerfs lol

[pale bolt]

Im pretty sure it does not take any skill to get 1 bite on a carno and make it puke from a singular bite

[elfin night]

@pale bolt sorry but making it so that a matchup between two playables is a 50/50 while one is vastly superior in terms of speed to the other is such a terrible idea since carno has total freedom to disengage, and even now the 1.3t carno is still dangerous do cera if it decides to fight you in the open.

If anything, I would say cera vs carno matchup at the moment if one of the most healthy ones in the game and one of the most fair

It’s always the better player or the one who engages in an optimal condition the one who will come out on top or force the other to flee

I as a cera would never really take my chances with a carno in the open with no big corpses around

That charge is so nasty even though you can dodge it from afar just fine

Cera should be the one who wins direct trades anyway

It’s the point of cera. You shouldn’t be trading with it

[elfin night]

Im pretty sure it does not take any skill to keep darting in and out in the open and then pressing w shift with rmb without needing to time a bite

[pale bolt]

yes exactly

and the rams purpose is to knock things over but i have to come ramming all the way from highlands to sp to knock a dilo over

[elfin night]

Bruh

[pale bolt]

i dont think carno currently is skillful

but the nerf was just unnesecary

[elfin night]

You only need to run for 40-60 meters to get the maximum knockdown/stun. that’s like 4 seconds of running at most 😭 😭 😭

[pale bolt]

yes and thats a lot of stam, my carno is crippled after xd

[elfin night]

It really wasn’t. Apex carno was super toxic

[pale bolt]

it really was, literally that was the perfect carno weight and damage

and cera still could beat its ass

[elfin night]

Maybe then make sure your strongest attack lands when they’re distracted. You’re better off ambushing someone to do that since it guarantees that they won’t see you coming and won’t walk right into it

It’s a literal knockdown where you can bite twice

Its a guaranteed kill on so many things

[obtuse ocean]

You mean the carno that was fun having chasing you as omni etc ? The turn was so bad lol

[pale bolt]

it still does

what r u trynna prove

[obtuse ocean]

Im the worste omni player prob ever played the game, and i tho it was fun having a carno chasing me. No way he was gonna catch me

[elfin night]

That is not true at all 😭 😭 cera got demolished by old carno as long as it wasn’t clueless. You were better off swimming away or hiding in the jungle than fighting them in the open

Only really with body buff and if it is one carno if you are solo

[pale bolt]

yeah a 1v1

[obtuse ocean]

Its just numbers game, not skill lol

[elfin night]

The standard for balancing in this game, yes

Devs absolutely don’t balance things based on grouping and it is obvious. Very easy to observe

[pale bolt]

yeah i can tell

cuz i can see what dondi is doing to the playables

[elfin night]

What is he doing exactly. Only recent bad stuff have been troodon and maia speed nerfs even though they kind of had a logic behind them

[pale bolt]

yes that

[elfin night]

And then in the live branch was nerfed because it just wasn’t right in the hordetest

[pale bolt]

theyre such unnecessary nerfs, troodon is already a 1 shot dino but nerfing it? why?

and the carno was totally accurate on spino

they put the weakest carno possible in game

[elfin night]

Because they didn’t want an absurdly fast speed that just looks base, and in exchange they made multiple buffs that pleased everyone. It’s a tough early game now with that speed, but at least if you can find something like a crab you’re now saved. Also sanctuary food for carnivores might fix that in the near future

[elfin night]

Accuracy doesn’t equal well balanced

Carno right now is just fine especially in the HT and it absolutely slams all of the small game in the roster

It’s just no longer apex carno that you cannot fight nor flee

[pale bolt]

Yeah the small game, not the similar sized ones

You could fight a carno ive seen cera destroy 1.8 ton carnos and tennos and groups of omnis

Ur acting like carno was the unkillable killing machine when it really wasnt

1 utah should flee from a carno just how it should from any mid tier

[elfin night]

It wasn’t

But it is defunct design that carno is anywhere close to equal or even superior superior to cera in a 1v1

They’re not supposed to be equal

And right now they’re at that limit

Because carno can still pull some weight

[elfin night]

It does though? Carno right now in a 1v1 if you are 800-900kg or less is terrifying

Like if you get caught in the open by a mildly competent carno you are just dead

[dusky surge]

mf i dont even play albion

advertise your cheats on an actual server where people care

<@&933486433342222376> redirect this fellow to the albion discord

[hollow topaz]

Albion? In MY DINOSAUR GAME?

[worthy steeple]

wtf lmao

i accidentally posted scull emoji in balance feedback channel

well i’m gonna do it again here

💀

[elfin night]

Good balance decision

[crimson crater]

ima have to pass on this one

[hollow topaz]

<@&933486433342222376>

Can’t believe he’s still here tbh

[eager saddle]

Ye it’s been an hour

But still

1200 members…

[hollow topaz]

Yeah

It’s not even for this game which is the hilarious part. Hope no one is falling for that.

[pale bolt]

i mean 900kg-700kg is heavier, faster and stronger

kind of logical

[elfin night]

@lethal shale sorry for the ping but we both know the truth

This one with pounce in the open and when he was camping mud. Omg you guys cera is Omni’s worst matchup there’s nothing we can do!!!!!

And without pounce, just pure agility and bites

OMNI IS SO BAD RAAAAAGH PLZ BUFF THERE IS NOTHING I CAN DO IF THEY CAMP TREES BRUH IMPOSSIBLE ONG FRFR

[lethal shale]

Huh

What is going on 😭

[elfin night]

I decided to play omni

Mostly to laugh at the victim complex because this thing is such a solid pick even solo as I play cannibal

Soloing dilos and sub ceras with my skillful rmb button

And dibble camping tree crumbles to that agility because I use my brain

But no, buff omni, it’s so bad and unplayable

Impossible to kill anything with it

[lethal shale]

rteal

omni] i]s juysrt fi]ne

(sortrtuy muy keboartd i]s brtoken)

i] sp[i]lled wARTERT ALL overt i]rt

[elfin night]

Damn

Insane

[steep gazelle]

@languid sparrow Add a cooldown to Carno's charge? Are you serious? Xd

[iron tree]

Carnotaurus killed me plz nerf

[sacred zodiac]

its really ping dependant

[obsidian yacht]

don't balance around ping

[elfin night]

^

If anything, omni just needs some tweaking and debugging

But it is a very solid carnivore pick even solo

[sacred zodiac]

i didnt say it was a balance issue, im just saying omni is only strong with good ping

[obsidian yacht]

alright

[sacred zodiac]

if you have over like 80 ping you're gonna eat alt bites

[elfin night]

#balance-feedback message I would only accept this if the venom was reworked

I feel like they made dilo noisy on purpose to give value to ambushes

All it needs to kill some things especially in HT is just a couple bites and it has the best night vision, so similarly to troodon both are noisy to make it easier for the prey to tell where they are if they keep sprinting

But I really don’t want dilo with omni footsteps or even quieter

It’s no longer legacy dilo. This thing will 100% kill you as things stand if it gets a few bites in

[worthy steeple]

tbf troodon is noisy because otherwise it’s impossible to actually fight it, especially with the new grass. i’m fine when i can’t see it, but at least i can hear it

[elfin night]

Yeah that too

But what I said

[worthy steeple]

with the dilo it seems like they’re trying to compensate op venom with loud footsteps? but i don’t see how it can possibly help anything to survive, dilo fight is basically face tanking till prey is envenomed and then just run around it and let million clones to spawn

[elfin night]

Dilo would be so cheap and strong if it were quiet to the point (similar to Omni) where you only really know it is coming for you when it’s too late

[worthy steeple]

i think what they’re expecting us to do is to literally hide in the bush during nighttime or on a rock, literally do anything to avoid dilos

but i don’t like that idea at all, nighttime is just purge

[vale brook]

yeah i've always assumed the loud footsteps were to make you not totally helpless in the fog while they're running around

[elfin night]

@languid sparrow Out of all the changes you could make, you chose one that actively makes cera less good at being defensive which is the whole point

[worthy steeple]

yeahh

[elfin night]

Or to make the idea of a damage dealing long range ability after a couple bites harder to get on someone and making it more fair at the start

[vale brook]

yeah that as well

[crimson crater]

dosen’t really make much sense for the evasive animal to make so much noise, it makes them pretty easy to track in dense jungles imho

[pale kindle]

@languid sparrow Yeah, why do even a corpse bully need STAND ON SPOT TURNING lmao? Agreed

[worthy steeple]

i think i suggested this before but troodon should be really quiet until it envenomates its prey and then its prey specifically will hear the footsteps louder

i don’t know if there’s another way to balance a fight against something this small

[crimson crater]

why would the venom effect aid the opponent instead of doing the contrary though?

[worthy steeple]

because it also gives fog effect, it’s how irl works if you see bad you hear better

but it’s not like that matters, i mean it’s between loud steps always or loud steps when you’re envenomed

i’d prefer loud steps only when something is envenomed

[spark hazel]

@frosty jackal Welcome to the isle Discord server, First gotta say that Balance Feedback channel is for only things that are in the game and not about upcoming ones : )

[spiral kindle]

That sub cera must of been awful and that is a small dibble

Fight an actual fg that is half decent at the game

[crimson crater]

not really, if your vision worsen it’ll take time for your brain to adapt and ‘rewire’ to enhance your other fully functional senses. not something that happens over the course of 5 minutes

[spiral kindle]

And isn't solo

[worthy steeple]

that doesn’t matter. and we either have permanent loud footsteps or we have loud footsteps that can only envenomed prey hear

[vale brook]

everything in game has stand on spot turning, that was one of the main points of EVRIMA when it first dropped was seemlessly intergrated alt turning

plus, cerato turning on the spot is fine considering it is meant to stay on bodies and defend them from every angle, which means it needs to be able to react to multiple animals running in from different angles

[crimson crater]

why not just lower it overall

[vale brook]

i think id like the foodsteps for only envenomated prey

it doesnt make much sense realistically but i dont care lol

it keeps troodon from being able to be easily tracked but still allows the prey to have some sort of way to have a general understanding of where the troodon is

[worthy steeple]

because troodon is too small and footsteps help to actually fight back better, like have you ever paid attention how loud troodon is? not just the footsteps, its loud in general

[vale brook]

of course, the more troodons you have the less of an issue the foot steps is

it can be very confusing/disorientating at times

[worthy steeple]

yeah it is unrealistic, but i’d prefer that instead of permanent loud footsteps

[crimson crater]

isn’t that what makes troodon so frightening though, just popping up on you out of nowhere lol.

wouldn’t mind it if it isn’t too loud

footstep audio in general should be looked at, to properly match the weights etc. kinda silly how a stego makes less noise than an omni

[worthy steeple]

idk really, i don’t want to fight something i can’t see and hear at the same time, especially when nights are dark as hell

[crimson crater]

you can see them, especially if you’re on a road

[worthy steeple]

yeah, beaches and roads probably

tho it doesn’t really matter when nights are pitch black and the fact that fog makes night vision even darker also helps troodon a lot

i struggle to see even as the teno herbivores bigger literally can’t see a thing

so footsteps are essential for at least guessing where troodon is, hoping you will hit it

[crimson crater]

its only pitch black during short periods of time though, also nv is bugged apparently

[worthy steeple]

not so short tbh, not to mention thunderstorms (btw they hide the footsteps sounds) and make night vision worse

[elfin night]

Or maybe Omni isn’t really that terrible and this is just as bad as the community of people online who think their genetics have damned then to be unlovable by every girl.

Maybe the world is a bit brighter if we see it with brighter, or better said more transparent lenses ✨

[worthy steeple]

if there’s a thunderstorm and you’re fogged you genuinely won’t see a thing as a herbivore, it’s just.. really painful

but at least it gives advantage to carnivores which is good imo

[crimson crater]

lets be real, no competent player is ever dying to a horde of troodons on official servers

[spiral kindle]

In the plains on a single target omni pack is strong but that is too situational if there 2 dibbles abusing terrain they become unkillable

Just a fact

Not saying that it isn't terrible

[spiral kindle]

I don't think i have ever died to a horde of troodons

As a fg

[worthy steeple]

it’s not an argument, it’s the same as saying competent player never dies, no, everyone dies, and after the stam buff troodon packs might actually become very popular, i will definitely play more troodon

[worthy steeple]

i think i only ever died to troodon playing on norden, but that doesn’t mean anything😭

[crimson crater]

everyone dies yes, but that dosen’t equate to troodons being an actual threat which they really aren’t. they feel very underwhelming

[worthy steeple]

not after the stam change, i really don’t think so

[crimson crater]

i have yet to test it so maybe

[spiral kindle]

What actually wen't through the devs brains balance wise when they give troodon 120hp but then revert it even tho they all die 90% of the time due to awful hitboxes and d-sync

[worthy steeple]

i think a full troodon pack would be terrifying for anything that can’t outrun it

[spiral kindle]

Literally just go to a cliff

[worthy steeple]

what if there’s no cliffs around?

camping terrain is a good strat, but it doesn’t always work

[crimson crater]

i don’t think that should be taken into account, troodon having more health than damage output went against its whole design of being a glass cannon

[spiral kindle]

Run to anything that will cause fall dmg wich running away from troodon's is pretty ez since it's much harder for them to land consistent pounces on a moving target

[crimson crater]

glad its gone

[spiral kindle]

They can't kill u by the time u get there

[spiral kindle]

It had 120 dmg pounce and 120 hp

Could of nerfed the hp to 105 or something

[crimson crater]

no, it had max 75 damage before they increased it during the dibble HT iirc

[worthy steeple]

fair, but i would probably never do that lol, id rather have a fun fight, even if i might die

i only terrain camp fighting omni packs, because there’s no other way to fight back lol, with the troodons it’s always fun fight, especially when they’re good

[spiral kindle]

Most of the time u won't get that

Players will 90% of the time just abuse terrain

[worthy steeple]

yes, it’s a survival game, do everything to survive

it’s not a crime

[spiral kindle]

Exactly

[spiral kindle]

Point still stands

You get what i mean

[cosmic pelican]

Yes it does, I got some good clips

[worthy steeple]

btw troodon damage is still nerfed, right?

[cosmic pelican]

Yes 😦

[worthy steeple]

HELP

[cosmic pelican]

If it was back to 120, an omni would die in 6 pounces

But it doesnt

[worthy steeple]

alright

well 16% damage nerf for 2x stam buff sounds good to me

if we also get omni like dismount that would be PERFECT

[cosmic pelican]

Weve had carno dominated meta, weve had cera dominated meta, weve had omni dominated meta.

Troodon dominated meta when

[crimson crater]

when hell freezes over

[cosmic pelican]

Friendly reminder herrera will never be 350kg

[crimson crater]

^^

[worthy steeple]

hehehehe well it’s dilo time for now

[cosmic pelican]

Allo will never be 3 tons

[worthy steeple]

AHAHHAHAHA

humble 2.2t elder tenontosaurus:

[crimson crater]

120hp troodon gone for ever

[cosmic pelican]

Meh

[worthy steeple]

feathered velo would be perfect😔

[cosmic pelican]

Glider velo, Ill sell my soul to Dondi if I must

[worthy steeple]

hmm

[spiral kindle]

Duh

[crimson crater]

glider velo ai for herrera’s to hunt in the trees, excellent idea

[spiral kindle]

Herrera is a glass cannon that would be so unbalanced if it was 350kg

[cosmic pelican]

The only reason I main troodon is because velo isnt in the game yet

[cosmic pelican]

I am messing with Flows

[worthy steeple]

casually OS ceras and carnos

[spiral kindle]

Is Velo bigger than Troodon?

[cosmic pelican]

Velo was 25kg in legacy, so will probably be miniscule

[spiral kindle]

Oh nah they were Tiny

[worthy steeple]

imo they both should be same weight and have pin resistance, so velo becomes natural enemy for troodons

[spiral kindle]

7-13kg is insane😭

[worthy steeple]

i want little rat wars

[cosmic pelican]

Or just make them have insane retaliation dmg

[spiral kindle]

I wonder if they will ever add a land dino that can glide

[worthy steeple]

or that yeah

[cosmic pelican]

Being straight up immune to something is meh

[worthy steeple]

i mean only to each others, so for example 60kg velo can’t pin 60 kg troodon, but it will be able to pin if it’s 59kg

[cosmic pelican]

I see

[worthy steeple]

i just don’t want fight to be just pins

[cosmic pelican]

But that should just apply to everything tbh

[worthy steeple]

fair

[hasty coyote]

if only pin wasnt just instant death or useless

[spiral kindle]

What would differentiate Velo and Troodon?

[cosmic pelican]

Velo is cool, troodon is an emacipated omni

Fr fr

[spiral kindle]

Velo wil be more bleed based??

Troodon is obv more raw dmg based

[crimson crater]

160KG velo when

[worthy steeple]

i wonder what homalo is going to be, just smaller pachy? or it will have some unique stuff

[hasty coyote]

make velo THE generalist. Able to dive and swim decently fast, able to climb trees well but not jump super far like herrera, make it able to invade burrows easily (especially to make the proto/velo rivalry better), and maybe even make it able to eat rotten food/bones.

easy way to make them different

[cosmic pelican]

Make it glide please I beg 🙏

Would probably make it one of the most unique playables if it could

[worthy steeple]

i mean it straight up killed bigger tenonto

that little creature is EVIL

[vale brook]

on one hand, BOB copy?

on the other, it is SO fun in BOB and could be incredibly fun in The Isle too

[cosmic pelican]

Capable on land, while being able to use gliding

[spiral kindle]

yeah and give it fall dmg resist since it uses it's feathers and its light

[worthy steeple]

that would be cool

[cosmic pelican]

I mean, if PoT could basically steal the isles body bully cerato niche, why not

[vale brook]

honestly though ive really liked gliding hypsi niche ever since i saw the concept that gives it flying squirrel flaps

[spiral kindle]

I don't think it killed it , just knocked it out

[cosmic pelican]

Troodon food

[worthy steeple]

😭😭😭

[spiral kindle]

a 43kg animal knocking out a 1.6 ton animal is kinda crazy

Tbh

[worthy steeple]

that teno was a baby lol

just bigger than homalo

[spiral kindle]

True but it's still like 100 - 200 kg

But yeah i guess that makes sense

[worthy steeple]

i mean yeah ahah

[crimson crater]

homalo’s casually 1 tapping dryos and herrera’s🔥

[worthy steeple]

👹

[spiral kindle]

And Troodon

[hasty coyote]

iirc its a reference to a video where a cow and a ram (maybe goat) butt heads, the ram gets back up and the cow doesnt move.

[spiral kindle]

Yeah ik i saw that

But this is a video game

[minor axle]

nah, the teno is just making it feel cool

[hasty coyote]

yeah, so unless they hive homalo a like 25 damage attack that deals 4x damage to the head (which would actually be hilarious) its prob just showing that its going to bonk heads like pachy.

[worthy steeple]

how cute🥹

[vale brook]

i think letting homalo block burrow entrances with its head like that species of ant would be hilarious

[iron tree]

it's great

[idle hearth]

Pterodactylus should have Herrerasaurus included in it's diet. It's the only real pvp it gets.

[thorn mountain]

pterodactylus is an AI

[keen mango]

If the devs could fix the Deino lunge that'd be greeeeaaaaat

https://tenor.com/view/that-would-be-great-office-space-officespace-gif-11793110978293655147

[rapid flume]

it lets go of people when it detects them inside an object

[cobalt dagger]

I put a ? on your feedback because I am not sure in what regard you mean 'fix.' Some people think it's OP and needs to be nerfed, that could be a 'fix.' Some people think it's not good enough and is too slow or uses too much stamina, and so to them buffing it would also be a 'fix.'
Or you might be referring to some glitches involved in deino lunge that I don't know about, and then that too could be fixing it.

If you can tell me what kind of 'fix' you mean, I'll give it a check or an x in regards to what I think I guess. Personally though outside of glitches, I think deino is where it should be in terms of stats. Fish AI needs to provide it with more food and be more consistent. But I see that as a 'fish problem' and not a deino problem. (However it becomes deino's problem, and herra's, and ptera's, and any future fish-eater's problems, with time. )

[cobalt dagger]

Oh hold on, I see you edited it and explained why! Sorry about that. I'll go give it proper feedback now

I've seen deino randomly drop their prey with no objects in sight. However. It has never happened to me in any of my deino. I've also never seen it happen to, say, youtubers who know what they're doing with the game. I always thought it was the player not understanding they got the prey and trying to right-click again, which accidentally drops it.

Sometimes, you hit the lunge, even though it was barely the tip of their tail or even some ugly de-sync 30-foot-grab. However it may take a few seconds for the game to register and teleport the struggling target player into your mouth. Give it 1 second counted slow. I understand by then the prey may have already vanished, but if you hold right click, and don't try to re-grab, and give it a little 1-second wait to make sure, you should never drop what you are holding. (Or at least, it's never happened to me.)

This is provided that you did indeed hit the lunge, of course.

[eager saddle]

It is a anti glitch mechanic they added to prevent people glitching out of the map. When a deino grabs a target, they are moved into its jaws but sometimes the jaws are too low to the ground, causing the model to be partly under the map. In order to prevent people clipping under it like this, the game lets the player go and the deino ends up with nothing.

I’ve seen it happen multiple times in front of me with friends who got grabbed but were let go. It usually happens in west rail pond because the lung you need to grab people at the safe drinking spot is VERY horizontal

[iron tree]

deino does have a counter

[tropic falcon]

For?

[iron tree]

wdym

[tropic falcon]

You asked if it had a counter but didn’t specify for what

[iron tree]

just read the message above me

[true ginkgo]

tfw everyone has lists of mutations they want removed, but no one has mutation suggestions.

if everyone had their way, we'd end up with barely any mutation options

I liked the suggestion to switch the nocturnal/photosynthetic speed boost away from the sprint and onto the trot. As then it's still useful, without being essential.

[elfin night]

@unreal bone what else do you need. You can one tap other Omnis with minimal effort

[elfin night]

Once more

The omniraptor playerbase can’t help it

[iron tree]

We should remove omni

[elfin night]

Now I wanted to do balance feedback

[crimson crater]

#balance-feedback message 100% agree with this, nobody is talking about the pin despite it being the most uninteractable, oppressive and poorly designed mechanic

[frosty jackal]

bees are op they should be gone

[tropic falcon]

No

[frosty jackal]

they kill a 3 ton stego in 30 seconds

[tropic falcon]

They protect the sanctuary

[frosty jackal]

the trees protect the sanctuary

[tropic falcon]

So do the bees

[frosty jackal]

no need

why have a place where you cant be killed in a "hardcore survival game"

[unreal bone]

@elfin night and let me do one back to u. would u like the omni to remain like it is right now? with broken pounces, broken stuck animations that keep u still in a tree for 5 seconds straight when u are at ur fg Literaly 3 bites away from ur death? buged pounce dismounts witch get under ur targhet, opening u to a free hit so u can get ur ass wooped properly... not to mention the randoms that always teampounce u in front of a carno, dilo, cera, u name it. not to say that literaly every not braindead player that buck omnis off him make the omni lose his stamina to the point that it is not able to continue/win or excape from that fight in literaly 10 seconds maybie 15 to be generous. u are talking about raptor being op in being able to kill a dryo? have u ever played it? have u ever tryed to fight smth bigger than a boar with a raptor? i just put up a sugestion because it seems logic for me, maybie not fair, but logic, a troodon(60kg) dealing significant amount of damage on pouncing, not staying on the targhet not holding any button, just a pounce and release, it sound logic to me that a 450kg raptor to be able to do damn 15 damage on pounce landed, i did not asked for more, i did not asked for the pover to kill a stego in 1 hit... i did not ask for nothing actualy. i put up a sugestion, an ideea witch u could reply with "no" that's it. i did not asked for milion words speaches of why u are a omni hater. AGAIN it is a sugestion and it was an logic sugestion if u think at it weight wise. this mesage is not meant to harm or hurt no one fellings or ego, feel free to not respond to this if u can not or do not want to understand an ideea concepted by pure logic

[tropic falcon]

Because people aren’t suppose to hang out by the sanctuary.

Wow that’s a book…. Needs a TLDR

[unreal bone]

:))

[frosty jackal]

i fell into a sanctuary as a 3 ton stego in the pitch black. i was killed by bees before i had the chance to escape

[tropic falcon]

That’s why you’re suppose to avoid them with a two mile pole

[unreal bone]

this sound like trying to smth scatchy to me tbh

[iron tree]

Omni literally kills dilos and pachies in 1-2 pounces

I play omni every now and then

and its pounce does a lot of damage

[unreal bone]

i do not say it is the weakest man

i know, raptor is good

it does not need bufs

it is good the way it is right now

what the raptor would need is fixes

bug resolving

[elfin night]

Okay, I don’t wanna sound edgy or like I am not a lot of fun because people say I am a lot of fun. I will read this later if you give me a minute, but paragraphs will help me digest this better

[unreal bone]

and i only make a sugestion

[iron tree]

but the 15 damage are silly

[unreal bone]

right?

[iron tree]

it doesn't need it. Omni is doing well

[eager saddle]

Because it’s your most vulnerable state and supposed to give you a boost.

[unreal bone]

it is literaly nothing, but just to be smth there as "a reward" if u want to think at it like that, for a succesfull pounce on a cera, for example

[eager saddle]

Omni just needs the buggy pounces fixed with terrain tbh

[iron tree]

you're being rewarded with 1k damage

[unreal bone]

that if there are not trees around or enemy does not buck, right?

[iron tree]

the whole stam bar does 1k damage

if you get thrown off you can literally just go in again

[unreal bone]

yes, u are right, but the more u get bucked off the more stamina u lose and the more pounces on a thing, the more stamina u lose becasue a pounce is 4.8%

[unreal bone]

and yes i know, it is 100 damage for 10% stam

[cosmic pelican]

The shortest pounce you can do costs 7% stam, not 4.8%

5% to initiate, 2% latch on cost before you can dismount

[unreal bone]

i was wondering that, do u know for sure? it cost stam to get off too?

[cosmic pelican]

It costs stam to stay on

2% every second

[unreal bone]

ahh right and u have that window when u can't discarge instantly, got u, u are right

even worse than 🥲

[viscid mica]

@alpine plover I mean trike does but it’s cuz that’s just how big it is lol

[unreal bone]

but still, that was not my point here. i'm not here to victimize miself like "oh i get bulied by drios, make raptor good" i'm a raptor main and a decent one i like to think and i do not demand raptor bufs here :))

[viscid mica]

Not anymore

You can delay stam drain by spam clicking attack

[viscid mica]

Holy text wall Batman

[elfin night]

Okay, I’ve given it a quick read and I believe we are actually seeing eye to eye to some extent. I know where you’re coming from, without any intent to sound condescending

I only want omni to get its large pounce debugged. I have recently played omni mostly for the jokes and to prove how pinning was broken and that it really wasn’t skilled, and I can confirm that it is no fun when you pounce something like a dibble in the back and it doesn’t work as you stop there and get hit, or when you get stuck in a cashew plant for 3-4 seconds after they run straight through it.

I also, when talking about balance, try not to account for randoms because they’re almost always terrible and not a good representative of how a dinosaur could perform. Randoms pouncing their teammates is entirely their fault.

On the other hand, I really do not think omni needs buffing, and in fact I think pinning is extremely overpowered. And no, the dryo there was mostly as reference, but the same would happen to a beipi or a herra against a 30% raptor, or a full grown gallimimus or a 440kg pachy that has hit nearly full grown when the Omniraptor decides to skillfully mash rmb and automatically win a fight with no commitment or effort. I have indeed hunted larger stuff than a boar as an omni and this is how it goes, or otherwise I just damage pounce and kill then as they slowly trot towards a tree.

As for your suggestion, I just do not think that pounce needs more damage when half of your stamina can kill a full grown pachy or bleed out a running sub carno with minimal effort. And even if it really needed damage in your opinion, 15 damage only just feels too inconsequential to make any difference. It is in an odd spot where this suggestion not really heading into any direction and would just be a change that no one would notice

@frosty jackal did you accidentally afk near a sanctuary or something?

[frosty jackal]

?

[eager saddle]

Nah fell into it as 3 ton stego and died

[elfin night]

Bees ttk is quite long honestly, surprised that someone could have complaints about it

[eager saddle]

^

[frosty jackal]

yep ;-; couldnt see a thing cus it aws night

[eager saddle]

Then complain about the nightvision, not the bees😅

[elfin night]

What’s the problem with a sanctuary deterrent actually deterring bigger creatures from invading sanctuaries?

[elfin night]

^ this, and also it’s a pretty bad example

[eager saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/its-false-jonathan-frakes-gif-19727543

[frosty jackal]

night vision is only bad just after sunset and before sunrise, so not that big of an issue

[eager saddle]

So….when it’s supposed to work

[frosty jackal]

fun fact: hypsi regens stam when you jump

[eager saddle]

[elfin night]

Just look at that logic

You fall into a sanctuary somehow, now knowing where you’re going and not hearing the bees, you die and die that they should remove bees from the game

Due to that single, preventable incident

[frosty jackal]

or just nerf them

make them able to kill a chicken or something

[cosmic pelican]

If you remove the bees, things that can jump will easily invade the sanctuary

[viscid mica]

HOLY TEXT WALLS BATMAN

[cosmic pelican]

Things like omni and galli will absolutely decimate anything trying to grow in it

[elfin night]

So a herra and an omni can just run inside and go berserk?

If anything chickens should spawn there 😭 😭

[viscid mica]

No no you can extend the time your on it doesn’t change the damage value but there is a clear difference is length between holding and click spamming

[eager saddle]

Damn, proper explanations aren’t 2 sentences, what a surprise

[iron tree]

There's a reason why sanctuaries have bees

[frosty jackal]

no cus they cant fit lmao thats what the trees are for

[elfin night]

A wall for a wall…

[elfin night]

Thx

[cosmic pelican]

Oh they absolutely can

[viscid mica]

[frosty jackal]

if you are too big to be there the trees wont let you