balance-feedback-discussion

[elfin night]

Absolutely, we’re arguing basically the same thing

[viscid mica]

I’d expect trike to be dibble sized by 40% bigger than Maia by 60% and start skyrocketing for that last 30%

[viscid mica]

I’m not arguing I’m making notes

[elfin night]

Well yeah

I would be fine with trike getting like 5ish tons at 40% and also longer growth time than stego

Like maybe 7-8 hours on perfect diet

Vs the 5 of stego

And then it would be fine

Since 40% of that is longer than dibble

[viscid mica]

Ya I mean stego is smaller and weaker if only by a little sense stego sacrifices weight for outright DPS

@steep gazelle chiiiillllll

We know troodon is really awful kissen said it’s kit adjustments are coming and the changes are pre amble (not exactly but she said this in not so direct terms)

[steep gazelle]

I honestly don't believe what they said, now it seems like they're going to focus on the trike and rex, any adjustments to other dinos have already been made.

[slim dragon]

Meanwhile the new WIP animations and mechanics we've seen for ptera, hypsi and herrera :

[steep gazelle]

Sure, if a buff to Troodon happened I would be very happy, but I don't expect much from them in that regard...

[viscid mica]

Brother this HT is probably gonna last atleast another month as it’s probably the biggest HT they’ve ever done

There is a lot they are adding changing and adjusting during it some patients

[steep gazelle]

Well, that would be really nice.

[analog drift]

regular 🥺

[steep gazelle]

But I don't expect it, because it will be difficult to make a buff that stands out in reducing the speed of the Troodon Juv to 13km.

[viscid mica]

Ok so it’s being changed in this HT (makes you turn white) and it being bugged on officials is a known issue not a current concern sense they are changing a lot for HT and adding 2 apex’s

[viscid mica]

Tbh I do hope they revert that or make the worlds greatest change to kit

[steep gazelle]

Well, Maia received a buff, Carno too, Troodon received 2 nerfs... Let's hope something good comes for him later in the hordtest.

[viscid mica]

Maia got speed nerfed

And what about carno got changed?

Sorry I’ve been focused on map, bugs and hunting trikes as omni

[minor axle]

I heard it had its bleed weakness reduced/bleed res increased. So maybe it won’t (all but) immediately die to herras

[viscid mica]

That’s actually huge as that makes sustain during fights way better

[minor axle]

Yeah, Iirc it was fairly prone to bleed due to balancing its size, but it was neat to remove that weakness, since carno is small now (not sure if they lowered the growth times)

[analog drift]

thank you for your answer. will this problem be fixed on official servers? we've been waiting for over a month. I managed to get this mutation once, then never again.

[viscid mica]

It will when ever the HT launches to officials but that could be awhile as this HT is extremely ambitious with a lot of kit changes graphics updates and more…

[steep gazelle]

Maia suffered a nerf when he was a juv, but it doesn't affect him that much since he's a herbivore, his cooldown between attacks was also reduced, it's much faster

Carnotaurus has received increased resistance to bleeding, reduced growth time, and reduced stam consumption in normal run and charge

[viscid mica]

I mean the stuff that needs the cannibal have it naturally so like unless you want everyone to put you on the “don’t group KOS” list I’d avoid it (especially if you enjoy playing like any small tier at all)

[viscid mica]

Solid

Good changes tbh I didn’t know about Maia attack increase as when I first tried it, bro was sluggish

[steep gazelle]

Watch the video on the "Kouga" channel on yt and you will see

is the last video released

[viscid mica]

Na I’ll take your word for it and probably try them out when I’m off next

I spent my whole weekend hunting trikes as omni

[obtuse ocean]

And what was the outcome dying or killing: P

[viscid mica]

Killing I only died 2 times outa 14 hunts (FG hunts lots of half’s and below not as cool sense we could pin them with our numbers)

We ran a full 8 man swif of raw sweat

And we’ll have to do it again once trike gets sparing

Tbh running a full sweaty 8 man is rare so we are doing a once in a blue moon thing

[analog drift]

so a few months, right? 🥺

[obtuse ocean]

Offf, i hope you all die when sparring comes. In a good way lol

Atleast a really hard fight vs trike : P

[viscid mica]

Less than that but a month or so atleast?

[shadow vortex]

And another bug that interferes with controls lol xd

[vale brook]

it affects him considering it's slower than cera until 60%

[viscid mica]

Tbh most the trikes played it really bad as they all had “apex ego” and didn’t use environment effectively

[viscid mica]

That will be huge for Maia

[vale brook]

sub 60% maia is just so boned if cera finds it lol

[viscid mica]

Are they that slow? Isn’t 60% almost 2T they can stun a cera at that weight

[shadow vortex]

They can stun but they can’t kill.

So it’s only postponing the death.

[steep gazelle]

For me it's not a problem, because I stay in a single part of the map until 80%, but there's really no need to reduce Maia Juv's speed to that level.

[vale brook]

oh that's just the time they reach cera speed

imagine how slow they are when they're big and still can't stun cerato

[viscid mica]

Ahhhhh yeaaaa Maia deserves to be abit zoomy as a smole they are 90% leg muscle XD

[vale brook]

dont get me wrong im fine with a juvie speed nerf for maia, it was super fast

but keeping it sub cera speed for 60% of its growth time is crazy

[shadow vortex]

Also Maia can’t switch stances during calls on HT eh, tho I reported already and hoping for fixes (it was like that from the HT start however…).

[viscid mica]

Oh ya

[viscid mica]

Tbh they got a lot going on and been consistently fixing bugs within afew days so I expect a fix

Tbh I’m probably not gonna grow a trike till either sparing or REX trike HT and even then I plan to do a stego first to make sure lil homie can survive the apex’s world

[vale brook]

maia should be reaching cera speeds and up once it begins to transition from juvie to sub (so a little bit before it starts showing adult pattern forming)

[shadow vortex]

Hopefully, but I’m a bit scared that they decide that all done nerfs and buffs to Maia are enough for now and won’t touch this playable for a while again.

[vale brook]

im waiting for sparring to be added before i touch trike. i remember how diablo was without sparring and no thank you

[vale brook]

if this is where they leave maia i assure you maia populations will plummet with the run speed being ass most of its life

[viscid mica]

Lots of cani trikes that’s for sure

Plus trikes current kit for fighting zoomy things like omni or dilo isn’t good

[shadow vortex]

Also not worth growing at all because of the amount of cheaters right now xd

[viscid mica]

Tbh if you wanna ruin some trikes day get a group of omni or dilo and you’ll roll trikes

[vale brook]

people always say "but maia can fight back sooo much better now " and i have to sit there and think "but maia is meant to be running from most threats,,.,,. and we made it so much worse at running when it NEEDS to run and doesnt have the option of fight"

[shadow vortex]

One-shotting juvie Ceras are back and I wonder how that breached in.

[vale brook]

hackers are always gonna find ways around anticheat, they then get patched by anti cheat, and repeat. its a never ending cycle. thankfully the more they patch the harder it usually becomes to create more hacks and stuff for the game

for instance we had a good 2 month period where speed hackers were kinda pretty much gone, and even i havent personally seen one in a while

[shadow vortex]

Yep, but I haven’t heard about this kind of cheating on Live Build for quite long since they increased attack cooldowns.

[viscid mica]

Ya the 1 tap juvis will probably be patched out quickly as it’s easy enough to detect when something is doing way more damage than it should just abit cheat needing to catch up

[elfin night]

omni is pretty tough as trike, can confirm

dilo has less margin of error cuz long and less agile

[viscid mica]

Ya but the moment you get t3 it’s all over

And it’s easy to split the trikes focus with a group

[elfin night]

Agreed

Dilo and Omni are the toughest matchups for trike

Troo would be a nightmare too if it did actual damage to larger ones

[minor axle]

Troo would be a nightmare if it wasn’t in a trash compactor rn

[elfin night]

Indeed

[viscid mica]

You’d want like 12 but oh ya you could bully a trike

[obtuse ocean]

Why do you want stun immunity ? Like you have every tool available not to get close to a trike

[viscid mica]

@strong skiff Stego is basically a apex and your new to the game don’t expect to have much luck as the way to fight them is rather long and frustrating

Plus Rex and trike are mid HT my money is that stego will need buffs to survive them not nerfs.

Stego is very very strong and nothing in the roaster is currently in a place to easily hunt it as it specializes in defensive posturing making hunting it near impossible without a lot of patience and experience

[strong skiff]

I have 1k hours wdym I play since spiro and stego was easy to kill and when they added power swing it was okay and then they decided that he has 241294 attack speed and its bugging and his range is crazy and the desync is crazy since it teleports you

I understand hes apex but hes legit unkillable

I killed so many stegos solo as a cerato

now 4 ceratos cant do anything against 50% stego

[viscid mica]

Yet you just joined the discord.

Listen stego is 100% huntable. You have to bait out the attacks and burn it’s stam its 15%+sprint cost per charging swing 10% per power and 5% per regular and reduced damage regular if out of stam the regular has massive windows

[strong skiff]

I did just join the discord why?

only this acc

[viscid mica]

Cera tbh are one of the worst options for hunting stego, big slow and easy to hit

[strong skiff]

brother im not stupid

[viscid mica]

Fair game

[strong skiff]

cera was stego hunter back in the day

it was so easy i could kill solo 4 stegos

now there is no window to attack

[viscid mica]

Because it didn’t have the ability to swing quickly

Cera has no business hunting stego

It’s 1/6th it’s weight and 1/12 it’s punching power

It’s built for combating stuff it’s weight or apex’s

Which are becoming a very real reality as we speak with HT in progress

If a Dino that isn’t even meant to be a super active hunter is able to 1v1 it it’s clearly not in a good place

thus it can’t anymore

[slim dragon]

Ok but saying cera losing 1v1 to a stego is an issue but cera winning against 4 stegos is fine is hilarious

[golden coral]

So, stego was just really weak, or cera was overpowered as can be. Not sure what the issue is, stego got updated to well, more or less full power, and so of course you can no longer hunt it as a cera.

[viscid mica]

I mean in spiro stego kit was pretty easy to win against with simple spacing and timing power swings made that impossible so hunting is a completely different game

[viscid mica]

Stego was weak

It’s kit was slow and easy to out manoeuvre

I’d get it like we had large or real mid sized stuff that couldn’t even take a stego on but stego isn’t honestly a hard hunt it’s just a lot of waiting and baiting

[obtuse ocean]

Its pot balance, just need numbers not skill.

[viscid mica]

Wdym

[viscid mica]

Also sorry most people who are fresh to the discord are in the 200 or less category

[obtuse ocean]

Look at trike, low dmg. Same with pot, most annoying thing beeing apex in pot. Noone even cares if you hit them, so ppl just run around annoy you.

Now it does work cus of stun, but without offf

[viscid mica]

Trike has super high damage lol it also does insane bleed, but it’s not a numbers game at all cuz of how combat works in envirma even smalls can dare to challenge the bigs with enough Experience.

And numbers lol

You do need people

[obtuse ocean]

In legacy i actually had to care if i got hit, evrima i dont care lol. Even tho i could also say 100 bad about legacy balance. But i do miss that fear of dying.

Even as dilo, i just facetank the crap outta cera. Venom in, im ok. Dont care about the hits i took.

2 dilos, cera is free food lol

[viscid mica]

I mean your not wrong but your not 100% right either

[obtuse ocean]

Its just numbers, this is at night time with dilo by the way

I would be dead day time i think

[viscid mica]

If the cera understands how its attacks works and damage they can easily out dps a dilo quickly enough that you can’t get the t3 at the same time dilo venom is very very strong and needs some adjustments to length for sure

[viscid mica]

Yea 100%

[obtuse ocean]

I dont think its strong, dilo should be that. But not like that, where i just facetank it. It should hurt doing mistakes

[viscid mica]

I mean your kinda right I get where your coming from there are a lot more aspects to combat that make you wrong dilo venom is a hard one to use for general discussion as it’s kinda op and buggy

[obtuse ocean]

Yea get your point, i just want mistakes to punished atleast fighting something bigger. Im the worste omni player of all time, i should have died more with all my facetanks faults : P

[viscid mica]

Fair, rn we really need a full roaster of atleast 2/3 mid sized carnis some large and apex’s on all sides before we can really tackle balancing well. And not everything can face take everything etc trike 1 taps omni with ease

[obtuse ocean]

Yea good points, we need to see

[viscid mica]

Ya like I doubt you’ll have much luck race tanking a allo

[arctic sigil]

we just need allo and bary

to start having a diverse roster

[viscid mica]

And a large like Sucho or acro

[obtuse ocean]

Yea, allo and rex comes. It will be awhole new expierince, like you sorta need to pay some attention to the surroundings

[viscid mica]

Herbis after trike have something in all weight categories

Carni on the other hand lack anything in large and mid and I’d dare say apex as deino is very neiche apex

[obtuse ocean]

It do looks like the allo will get some ambush stuff

[arctic sigil]

pov tactile endurance

[viscid mica]

Bigger omni less versatile is what kissen had said in her usual way of not saying things by saying them

[arctic sigil]

yup

[obtuse ocean]

lol true

[viscid mica]

FUN FACT OMNI POUNCE DOESNT GIVE YOU ANY BENEFITS OF IT HAHAHA

Plus if you play stego you can learn pretty easily how much tax gives it and play accordingly

Tbh if you wanna be good at PvP you should play everything atleast once

(Full grow and fight)

[arctic sigil]

bro i have 2,3k hours in the game

[worthy steeple]

apex in the ecosystem with just one playable

[arctic sigil]

i used to solo stegos as omni in deino update

[obtuse ocean]

I just need one good solo dino and im happy

[worthy steeple]

carno/teno

[arctic sigil]

but mutations are kinda breaking the point of bleeders and long term fights

ur low hp? u can heal with gastro almost instantly, ur low stam? use tactile endurance and u will never worry about it, see what i mean?

[viscid mica]

Ya stego had no kit to handle nimble stuff and had tons of opening due to lacking any sort of quick attack

[arctic sigil]

also the mutations that saves you from bleedout while resting its crazy op and no one talks about it

i didnt kill dibles as omni pack bc that

they get 2 or 3 dibles guarding him and he wont die of bleed

[viscid mica]

I’ve never actually seen anyone use it lol

[viscid mica]

Mmmm smart

Ya I guess that would certainly be pretty strong

[obtuse ocean]

I want, if you are solo you get 300% dmg boost. Ofcourse noone would abuse this : P

[viscid mica]

Aight back to the white padded room with you

[arctic sigil]

ik, it would be fine if those mutations didnt exist and the hitboxes werent weird , i remember before you could dodge or bait atacks getting close bc the hitboxes were fine

[obtuse ocean]

true : P

I wonder if some mutation will be after you get elder etc

[viscid mica]

Ya mutations are a hell if a balancing discussion tbh I’ve never bled to death so I’ve never seen a use for that

[arctic sigil]

i rarely see people using it, but when i try to have fun bleeding someone instead of biting it to death its very strong

[viscid mica]

Ya I only bleed two legged stuff as anything that stands on 4 has such unholy op bleed res its near impossible

[arctic sigil]

same

[viscid mica]

Takes way too long and well I can be patient I’m not that patient

[arctic sigil]

carno its probably the more worth to bleed out

but still you can kill it faster with damage

i just use bleed when i want to change the tactic or im bored ngl

[strong skiff]

it should not kill 4 stegos but it should also not be able to be 40% and oneshot 4 ceras like awp on mid on cs

from useless to god in 2 updates

[viscid mica]

Oh ya bleeding a carno is easy

[strong skiff]

and funny how trike deals 600 to 750 dmg

and stego does 2500 dmg when powerswinging while running

how can horns that big deal 4 times less dmg than some spikes on tail

[arctic sigil]

bc trike lacks acceleration

[viscid mica]

Uhhhhh who told you that lmao?

1050-reg with stam
1500-power swing(proper body shot)
2050-sprinting swing

[strong skiff]

stego legit goes 5 kmh more

[arctic sigil]

i dont mean that

[golden coral]

Because stego is more of a glass cannon, apparently, while trike is more tanky and defensive

[arctic sigil]

F=m x a

[strong skiff]

I tested on croc when poewr swing came out

[viscid mica]

Stego is using momentum trike is simply throwing itself foward

[strong skiff]

croc gets on 65% hp when powerswinged while running

how does a croc stand a chance xd?

[viscid mica]

Thats a HS

It’s legit almost impossible for stego to not HS deino

[frail bobcat]

thats the neat thing, it doesnt on land

[viscid mica]

Deino is like 40% head hitbox

[viscid mica]

It doesn’t lol

Don’t go after stegos

[golden coral]

Well, if they're swimming, you can get them

[strong skiff]

it doesnt matter since stego has ultimate jesus hitbox so if it hits your body or head doesnt matter you just bop down

and shut down your dino completely

and only thing now that can do anything to a stego is if its swimming and gets grabbed

[arctic sigil]

stego tail swip reaches a lot of speed meaning it does a lot more damage, bullets are less heavier than a punch but they do definetively more damage

[strong skiff]

trike that is 1.5 tons heavier

and maybe pack of 8 raptors thats it

ye 3.5 mb

[viscid mica]

The 1 exception

[arctic sigil]

if you use a spear it will be more powerfull than a shield with 2 horns

[viscid mica]

6 or less can easily take a stego as you can bait it to 20% stam and duo pin it

[strong skiff]

I wouldn't even complain that much if the game worked properly

okay let's give the stego all it has right now

want me to show you clips

[arctic sigil]

unless they want to die they wont die even in water sadly

[strong skiff]

im not even next to stego and im dead

[viscid mica]

Better to compare stego to a whip with spikes as that’s how the physics work more or less

[strong skiff]

doesnt even swing animation is not there just deceased screen

[viscid mica]

So it’s a desync issue?

[strong skiff]

and teleporting so his kit is not balanced with all lag and desync

and i playy on unofficial server with 40 50 ping

[viscid mica]

So it’s not the kit that’s the problem it’s lag

[viscid mica]

Ping doesn’t always mean you won’t lag

As ping can bounce all over the place

[golden coral]

Could be hackers too, heard there's a bit of that going on

[strong skiff]

the game didn't stop lagging 2 years that im playing rn

it was never clean

rust has 1000 pop servers with ai and everything

and runs smoothly

[viscid mica]

It’s a beta that’s constantly getting updates and changes

[strong skiff]

so me jsut walking 5 meters next to stego is danger

[arctic sigil]

i rarely see big desync in the main branch

[viscid mica]

Yea I mean there is stuttering from time to time but nothing major beyond when they do live updates of untested stuff

[strong skiff]

one time i died like this

im full hp btw and hits my aura or smth and im dead

[viscid mica]

Yes so it’s a desync issue

[viscid mica]

Major desync apparently

[strong skiff]

so with his constant spamming of power swing and mutation if you hit it he gains stamina (thats crazy btw) game is impossible to pla

[viscid mica]

That’s not as much about stego as it is about the over all stability of the game then…

[strong skiff]

and stegos will just rule the whole map

[viscid mica]

Kek, apex’s in HT rn would like to have a word with this one

[strong skiff]

trike can be killed as well with 5 powerswings to the body

[frail bobcat]

trikes are cooking stegos rn

[strong skiff]

if rex doesnt pin stego or smth with his crush ability

he legit wont be able to kill the stego

bcs hes slow and turn is slow

[viscid mica]

Stego gets completely decimated through stuns and pout damaged as trike takes reduced HS damage

[strong skiff]

that's true

[viscid mica]

I doubt it will as the ability to basically Garantee a free kill on something as big as stego would cause drama

But I’m certain Rex will have a advantage

Plus its ability to headbutt and stun

[strong skiff]

then what rex will jsut walk to it and get spam power swinged to death

what strategy will you suggest

[arctic sigil]

i have proof that is wrong

[strong skiff]

rex will probably have like 600 biteforce and has to bite stego 10 times

[arctic sigil]

https://medal.tv/games/the-isle/clips/jQdxUdMZQ779_iPM8?invite=cr-MSxtNXQsMjI0MjIxNDEyLA

trike tanks way more hits from stego

[strong skiff]

this was 2 trikes against you

and when you get wounded you do way less dmg

[viscid mica]

Alt bites, headbutt stun, spacing ambushing

[viscid mica]

Na bro I don’t record unless I’m bug hunting but stegos are getting stomped by trikes and trikes don’t even have their full kit

[arctic sigil]

yea but still, that was like 10 swings total

and body hit

and they didnt even stun me

i gotta test how it goes more times but im kinda dizzy to grow 6 hours hidden again

[viscid mica]

Ya even with body hits using all its power swings stego just barely kills trike

You’ll have little to no stam once it’s over

Man I’ll make sure I record when I grow stego during Rex HT

We can talk balancing stego based on how it handles FG Rex’s

[arctic sigil]

rex will have a pin ability

probably like omnis

stego wont do nothing about it

[viscid mica]

TOO BE FAIR if Rex can out right pin something stego sized that is a massive issue

[slim dragon]

I doubt stego will be able to run away from rex, so stego being completely unable to kill rex is as much an issue as rex being unable to kill stego

[strong skiff]

funny how people put 11 X on my comment like there is no problem with stego desync and game overall

[viscid mica]

It’s not stego that’s the problem

[arctic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-evrima-t-rex-rex-diabloceratops-gif-13308571214103444922

[strong skiff]

if anybody can give me how he takes down a stego with any dino except trike send me clip

[viscid mica]

It’s desync as a whole

[strong skiff]

ill congratulate you personally

[slim dragon]

Maybe if your post was saying desync is the problem, and not stego, you'd have less downvotes

[arctic sigil]

i dont think he will pin completely a stego but we will see

[strong skiff]

i did mention desync

[arctic sigil]

maybe he will grab or smth and do severe damage

[viscid mica]

Yes but you focused on stego

[strong skiff]

ofc bcs he became 20x powerful than 6 months ago

and no carnivore to kill it

so boring they jsut come up to your body and you can watch and starve

[viscid mica]

No? It’s been longer than that

[strong skiff]

idk something like that

[viscid mica]

Yes there is nothing to 1v1 it

The devs have even admitted stego was added to early

[arctic sigil]

give me a sec

[strong skiff]

yeah i watched dondi talk about it wth some streamers

[viscid mica]

I mean most herbis can do that

[strong skiff]

and i really like the game and cant stop playing it but sh like this pisses me off and i have to regrow all the time

[strong skiff]

nah all others i can easily 1v1

with cera

[slim dragon]

ahem

[viscid mica]

Do you exclusively play cera per chance?

[slim dragon]

Cera being able to easily 1v1 every herbi in the game is kind of its own issue

[strong skiff]

yes mostly

sometimes diablo just comes moonwalking on my ahh sliding and hitting me from 5 meters but still can manage

but with stego legit no option but to accept hes gigachad

[arctic sigil]

i have clips of me killing stego with pack but they outdated cuz of medal

[viscid mica]

So because 1 thing you can’t 1v1 its op? Not to be a D about this but cera is kinda strong rn as after carno nerf little can challenge it.

[arctic sigil]

but i have this https://youtu.be/fcidOCPXzwg?si=F80FlujNC3APtHip

[viscid mica]

Like cera SHOULDNT EVEN be as strong as it is nor as active a hunter as it is

[arctic sigil]

this guys shows that stego its not unkillable

[viscid mica]

The unfortunate thing is it’s the best land carni rn by a long shot

[strong skiff]

cera is best dino in the game imo

[viscid mica]

And stego is legit the 1 acceptions for things it can’t 1v1 (excluding deino)

[viscid mica]

Ya it’s super op rn

Well not super but it is kinda op

[arctic sigil]

honestly i dont even try to fight stegos anymore but it is still possible to kill them, its just sooo hard

[viscid mica]

Vomit animation lock, high damage etc etc

There is simply nothing to counter it rn

So calling stego op is legit calling the kettle black

[crimson crater]

biggest herbi it can kill reliably is teno

[viscid mica]

I mean if it’s a teno with experience no matter how skilled a cera you are your not winning the 1s

[arctic sigil]

i would rather fight a dible than a good teno

[viscid mica]

You and me both

Dibble is far easier to predict

[strong skiff]

https://medal.tv/games/the-isle/clips/jQZywlCgyYCGEVpRq?invite=cr-MSxXdkUsMTM4MDMxNjE

[viscid mica]

Teno and omni have by far the HIGHEST skill caps

[strong skiff]

go to end of the clip and look ibit his head full charge didnt vomit and i teleported

and then he hit grass and kills me xd?

[slim dragon]

I'm not the person who said otherwise

[viscid mica]

Talk about desync

That’s not even a stego issue that’s legit your computer and his computer where communication got lost in the server

[slim dragon]

First hit is fully legit
Second looks weird, but it's probably desync yeah

[strong skiff]

how he didnt vomit

[viscid mica]

You shouldn’t be able to install vomit a stego!?

[viscid mica]

Full stomach it’s 6x your weight?

[slim dragon]

Because vomit depends on something's size, and stego is too big to be 1-hit vomit

[viscid mica]

^^^

[slim dragon]

Oh yeah it also depends on how filled its stomach is

[viscid mica]

Ya like beyond the desync that looked fine by me

[arctic sigil]

plus cera vomit got nerfed to half

[strong skiff]

yeah i dont expect it to have full stoamch

[viscid mica]

Stego is far beyond cera punching level

[strong skiff]

ok go frame by frame

[viscid mica]

I dunno stego stomach lasts very long

[slim dragon]

But let's not talk about how vomit works and how it should work because... then we won't be talking about stego issues anymore

[arctic sigil]

and yea juvie/sub stego damage its an issue

[strong skiff]

i passed him he hit like my tail all the way back i get tped and thrown into it

[viscid mica]

Yes it’s desync you both saw different things

[arctic sigil]

i managed to survive a 6 cera pack as a 40% stego

[strong skiff]

that also

[viscid mica]

I’m willing to bet money bro saw that he was right next to you

40% is like already wel over 2Ts thou?

[arctic sigil]

https://medal.tv/games/the-isle/clips/jKSMjoDMHnYn6E_WH?invite=cr-MSxNeVosMjI0MjIxNDEyLA i killed like 3/4 the rest gave up

i was 40%

[slim dragon]

When two computers give a different scenario of what just happened, the game's netcode always prioritizes the version where a hit connects

That's why people get killed out of thin air so often

[viscid mica]

Stego is all DPS

[viscid mica]

This^

[strong skiff]

i would legit break my whole pc if i got slide power swinged like that

[arctic sigil]

😂 🙏 🙏

i would too

that was an hordetest i dont remember which

thats why its so laggy

[slim dragon]

That's hilarious

[crimson crater]

alr

[arctic sigil]

but stego + lag = most broken thing

[slim dragon]

One cera does a mistake and pays with their life, 30 seconds after another one does the exact same thing

[strong skiff]

okay but tell me 4 packs of cera is not supopsed to kill a 40% stego

nowadays it's okay I guess

they should absolutely demolish lil stego

talk about realism

[arctic sigil]

dondi it self said a cera pack should be able to hunt stegos

[strong skiff]

but we as players are scared that we are gonna get oneshot so nobody goes in and its hard

[arctic sigil]

the only issue its heavy swing hitboxes and desync sometimes

[strong skiff]

but irl imagine ur lil stego and 4 big ceras around you biting pieces of you

[arctic sigil]

also depends the skill of the ceras

[slim dragon]

It's not that they can't
But these ones clearly didn't have what it takes to kill one
Making some grave mistakes+ terrain not allowing them to manoeuver properly
They should have withdrawn

[arctic sigil]

oh i just realiced you had half of the bacteria

the less bacteria you have the less you inflict

[slim dragon]

I've seen a ptera kill a pack of over 12 omnis by itself once, in the middle of plains, before powerswing was added

But it wasn't because of stego being OP

After the fight it hadn't even been hit once, the omnis were just that bad

[arctic sigil]

thats also why it didnt vomit

[strong skiff]

since when

thats bs

[arctic sigil]

since they nerfed cera bacteria to half

[strong skiff]

i understand every fact and aspect of it guys i'm not ignorant but u understand my frustration

[arctic sigil]

yes

but the best to do in these cases its to not fight them

[strong skiff]

the thing is with the desync clip I should worry about my skill not about if stegos is gonna desync kill me

[arctic sigil]

unless you are 100% sure theres no desync or lag

[viscid mica]

I mean they can if they play it smart enough but it’s not a free kill

[arctic sigil]

thats what i do

[viscid mica]

100% desync is super frustrating especially when stuff that can 1 tap you is involved

Tbh your lucky you don’t play omni when desync hits as omni all hell breaks lose

[strong skiff]

i played omni back in the day

its buggy as hell and always was

[viscid mica]

It’s gotten a lot better

And currently on HT is mad fun

[strong skiff]

didnt try ht but heard a lot of dmg hackers

so i dont go there

[viscid mica]

Yyyyeaaaaaaahhhhhh easy anti cheat bouta pull some extra hours XD

[strong skiff]

fix anti cheat, fix desync, put rex in and im the happiest man alive

[viscid mica]

Rex is soon ish anti cheat is a never ending war as hackers make good money selling so they’ll keep updating and desync is an issue that will be persistent no matter how much they do as it has so many vulnerabilities. Desync is a well known agony of melee games

[slim dragon]

Easy anti cheat most likely doesn't even know what a cheat is

[slim dragon]

The Isle needs predictive networking xD

Wait actually it isn't that dumb
But I pray for the salvation of whoever has to program that in this game

[viscid mica]

Trust me as a vet in the melee genre there is little you can do about a dude with trash wifi

[viscid mica]

lol

The greatest power in melee games is having dollar store wifi as you teleport on everyone else’s screen and hit through any attempt to block

[slim dragon]

I have For Honor flashbacks
With guys having a connection so bad they resurrect and kill me halfway through my execution

[viscid mica]

Ahahhaahahahahahha don’t you dare remind me of that hell I dedicated way to many hours to being good at that game

Just to cold turkey quit it

Cuz they suck at balancing

[slim dragon]

wdym, having a 120 damage 300ms unblockable attack is perfectly balanced

[viscid mica]

I quit around the 3rd time they gave raider a undodgeable insta light for these that also stuns and is so fast you’d have to be cheating or pre aiming up to block it

OH AND IT STAGGERED AFTER HIT

[slim dragon]

So you don't know Sohei
That's who I'm talking about

[viscid mica]

No idea who that is

[slim dragon]

But at least they changed lawbringer's 90ms attack to 140ms

[viscid mica]

I was in top 100 on console for 2 years? Played for 3 after its release then quit

I got fed up with ranked being nothing but raider 1 tricks

I got a clip somewhere

[slim dragon]

It's the last weeb character to date
And he literally has a 300ms unblockable attack that deals 120 damage

It's "balanced" though because he needs to charge it
By doing 2 guardbreaks

[viscid mica]

So basically trying to grab them is pointless?

I feel like I’d have a easy time with that back when I actually played

I was a centurion main

[slim dragon]

The move is also immune to grabbing

[slim dragon]

So that's why you were top 100
Cent was OP at that time
Nobushi ftw

[viscid mica]

Na I played him all the way to his super nerf and rework

[viscid mica]

Kick

[slim dragon]

300ms tho, you literally have to predict it

So um, anyway, The Isle
You can call its balance bad, but there is always worse

[viscid mica]

Yes? Like I doubt I could do it now Id be super rusty but getting a predict on that when I did play would be easy enough

[viscid mica]

REAL

not every single beserk attack having hyper armour

[slim dragon]

Yeah of course, everything and everyone is predictable to an extent
But like, most characters need to pull off a combo, or multiple, to kill someone
This dude does it in one move
He can just spam it until you make one mistake and it's over

[viscid mica]

Ya that’s fair def would make me rage if they got it off

But I play a combo-spam character I think I’d be fine

[slim dragon]

It's not even that bad in duel
Because you can somewhat prevent him from charging it
But in 4v4 modes sometimes you just see them run towards you with the already charged ability and oneshot you while you were busy fighting someone else

There's something else I hated too
The fact hitokiri can half-charge their attacks and make the animation glitch out, making the parry window super tight and very hard to read
And I think it's a bug but's never been removed so maybe it's a feature

Meanwhile Nobushi is the only character who needs to time her dodge-attacks perfectly otherwise she teleports back into the opponent's attack

[viscid mica]

Stuff like this is why I quit for honour

They could just never get the balancing right

1 character was always super op by a large margin

[slim dragon]

@pale kindle So dinosaurs with CC being able to functionally one-hit kill anything that is in their stun range is fine to you ?

[rich wadi]

#balance-feedback message Why do you have some of the worst takes 😭

[alpine sleet]

fr

[warm sundial]

Sorry dumb question lol what does CC stand for?

[iron tree]

Crowd Control

(stuns, knock downs, etc.)

[minor axle]

#balance-feedback message
the point of stunlock being bad is that it is ONE time. The prey only needs to get one knock and then the person being stunlocked can't do anything. Getting stunned, coming back for another attack, and getting stunned again wouldnt be stunlocked.

there is no "attacks" because the attacker (and by the way stunning isn't only usable by people being attacked) will only get one chance. The person using stun really only needs it once if they can stunlock.

[hasty coyote]

this was the reason pachy got its stuns removed. Stunlocks are unfair and unfun.

[crimson crater]

#balance-feedback message teno has one of the shortest vomit animations, bile cannot be applied to the tail and why would it need to work for its deterrent lol

[worthy steeple]

that’s a lie tho, the animation is like 2 seconds long

omni has a short one, teno doesn’t

one bite = vomit and vomit animation lock should go anyway.

[crimson crater]

it isn’t more than a second wym

second shortest right after omni

[worthy steeple]

it is, we can test that later as well

[crimson crater]

ok

[spring willow]

teno vomit animation is punishing lol is all i play rly. How often cera can activate vomit is just wild, wasnt always like that either. But as you said now its 1 single bite = vomit, and theres 5 ceras so really not even a fight to be had anymore

used to have to land a few bites before you could proc vomit, but at some point they adjusted vomit i think for dibble and teno got left behind :/

[crimson crater]

they changed the math of it to take weight into the equation, takes like 2 charged bites to make a teno on full hunger vomit

[worthy steeple]

3 bites to make fg vomit

one charge bite fills like 80%

but ofc only if you have 100% hunger

[steep gazelle]

Cerato being able to apply bacteria by biting tail is simply crude and stupid, and it's even worse for those who agree with it xd

[crimson crater]

but it can’t though

what you’re experiencing is latency issues

[steep gazelle]

Well then my 26 ping and 60 fps must have fooled me.

[worthy steeple]

it can’t, it’s a desync

[crimson crater]

what was your opponents ping tho?

[steep gazelle]

Same

Cerato is the most benefited dino in the isle, his only weakness is speed, but having the better stam of the game this is not a problem.

[crimson crater]

it dosen’t have the best run time but yea it could use some nerfs

[iron tree]

it can't but it'd make sense

It's a bacterial bite

the bacteria would enter your body even if was a tail hit

[minor axle]

so would venom . . .

[warm sundial]

Ah thanks

[iron tree]

correct

[slim dragon]

If the Isle wanted to go the realism route biting the tail could apply venom and bile in a delayed manner, since it needs more time to reach the vital organs

[spring willow]

that would make more sense, old cera was more like that in the sense that every single bite didnt apply vomit instantly. So you'd have to get a few charge bites in to build up vomit, whereas a cera now can make a fg 3ton dibble vomit instantly with 1 bite before the fight even starts, which doesn't feel right

[slim dragon]

Instant vomit on bite is stupid, no matter where the bite lands

[viscid mica]

@rigid tulip Well worded

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-gif-13575853101874488635

[minor axle]

We should return to the glory days of teno being able to bully Utah and run on the bottom of rivers (evrima launch my beloved)

[steep echo]

#balance-feedback message @lethal shale what did you do to them?

Sounds like a hacker to be fair

[dusky surge]

the dude literally blocked me because i disagreed with his takes so often lmao

[rich wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-wtf-gif-27612761

[dusky surge]

as much as i'd LOVE to downvote the absolute insanity of "let people get stunlocked", i cant

worst part is stunlocking is species specific because of how stuns are calculated

so some animals can't get stunlocked and some animals are extremely easy to stunlock

so basically if you're playing a "stunlockable animal", you get screwed if anything gets that stun off

[neon willow]

Looks like plenty of people are down voting for you

But yeah, that was my problem with it too. The definition of stunlock is that you have a new stun applied before or at the same time the old one ends. Eg there is no ability to "time attacks better" involved for the recipient. They miss a single attack and they are locked out of any and all character controls as long as the stunner is able to continue stunning

[dusky surge]

therealdamage, iirc, is obsessed with some level of insane "realism"/"hardcore" gameplay

a lot of his suggestions basically support extremely lame-ass mechanics

[keen plover]

@fossil crest what changed about omni?

[lethal shale]

Huh 😭

[iron tree]

Nothing...it just got a..THOUSAND DAMAGE POUNCE

Quite weak isn't it

It can grapple larger animals in a pack...quite weak isn't it

Omni mains love to just pull out their victim card

[stark mirage]

i used to main omni, but i dont anymore due to server ping, desync, hitbox inaccuracies,and pounce issues that make omni pretty punishing to play or get good at. This is probably why you see infestations of ceras; which is a problem for everything on the server, because it is so much easier to play. I am now a teno main, where all the hitboxes make sense. Please main omni for a little while and I think you will have a little sympathy for the people who still bother to play it.

[keen plover]

😼

[edgy crow]

nerf omni (but fix the latency issues)

[elfin night]

@stone meadow if you struggle in combat against a damn dryo I don’t even know what to tell you dude

Does everything really have to be a game issue or maybe there’s something you could do about it?

[elfin night]

The Omni victim complex is an actual phenomenon that should be studied

@fossil crest weak while having a thousand damage pounce or being able to bleed out a carno with half of its stam? And so slow? Bruh omni is the fifth fastest in the entire game out of 17 and those above it can either be pinned (galli) or Omni is far superior in terms of agility and has a jump they don’t (dilo, carno, maia)

What else do you need? Being able to one shot a cera or a teno either a single damage pounce? And be nearly carno speed while keeping footsteps so quiet that you only hear it when it is already on you?

[elfin night]

Old spiro swamp fights 🔥

[lethal shale]

I bled out a fg carno yesterday as solo Omni

You know what I did? Used 90% of my stam on bleed pounce

Used the 10 other percent to stand in place, dodge its charges and bite when I get the chance. It died in exactly 1 min 30 seconds

Omni bleed is INSANE and people always disregard it

@elfin night since you were in the convo here u go

[elfin night]

Lol thanks

[elfin night]

I said it many times

Bleed is underrated

Doesn’t need any buffs

[lethal shale]

I have the clip lol

The carno was on 200 ping too, so they even had an advantage

Crazy how fast it died lmao

[elfin night]

Omni players can’t get enough

[lethal shale]

I attacked as a joke first which is why they were charging around, but it turned serious and they got folded

[elfin night]

They should kill a teno with one pounce or else it’s bad

Which jokes aside

If stamina cost of pounce or its stam (which equals damage) was buffed

An omni could reliably ambush and solo a cera

[lethal shale]

Yeah Omni is just fine rn

Pounce isn’t buggy either, it’s the players that bug it out themselves

If they planned out their pounces and didn’t pounce blindly it almost never bugs out

Not for me, at least.

Also.. if an Omni uses damage pounce there’s like nothing pachy can do

Same with dilo if Omni gets good positioning

[elfin night]

True

[elfin night]

Also the stamina loss 😭

The fact that a single omni passively can drain like 10-20% of a dibble’s stam with its pounce and not even latching for as long as it can

And they slow you down too

[lethal shale]

Even worse if you buck

[elfin night]

Making grapple easier

[edgy crow]

Bucking sucks bucking sucks bucking sucks bucking sucks

[lethal shale]

iirc the closer your weight is to the Omni, the harder it is to get it off

So for pachy it’s almost impossible lol, and if you do, you’ll have zero stam in the end

[elfin night]

Omni is a solid pick even solo, man. It’s so annoying with all of the victim complex that omni players have when this thing is easily the best playable on its weight class and below in terms of combat and survivability.

[edgy crow]

rework bucking
rework pin

Please.

[lethal shale]

Not to mention one of the worst designed mechanics in the game that gives it the most unfairn annoying advantage over anything under 450 kg

Yeah a Maia needs two stomps to kill an Omni but I can do it by pressing RMB once infront of you

[elfin night]

Best agility out of any carnivore especially after the HT with troodon drift addition

One shot move on anything dilo sized or below if done properly and not in the middle of the jungle

[lethal shale]

Yeah a cera needs two bites to kill a Herrera but I can do it with the press of a button!

[edgy crow]

Nerf omni

[elfin night]

I love getting pinned from meters away and still die because they hold on to their beloved button

[lethal shale]

And I’m like a quarter the size of a cera!

[lethal shale]

I hate how it keeps pinning even after you lose contact

It shouldn’t do that

[edgy crow]

Omni players when I tear off their RMB:

[lethal shale]

It loses contact for both parties too, it’s not a desync thing

Also Omni 1v1s are fun as hell when you do it without pounce

[elfin night]

Don’t forget that you also need to be 30% at least. A baby omni can lock a fully grown herrerasaurus into a drawn out death cutscene with one button press

And is also MUCH quieter than them, and faster too

[lethal shale]

It’s stupid

[edgy crow]

Fair and balanced and interactive gameplay

[elfin night]

And 18% Omni can do it to a beipi I think and survive despite the dmg

[lethal shale]

Haha my 175kg raptor can kill your herrerasaurus with less effort than a 1300kg cerato!

How fun!

[edgy crow]

#makeomninotasmallgamehunterbyreworkingitspinplease

[lethal shale]

Seriously bruh pin is so annoying

[elfin night]

I could get it with a carno if it is a juvenile and it gets a good charge. But ngl carno is designed for that if it catches the herra on the ground and it needs to secure the kill with a good charge and a few bites if it is a 300-400kg juvenile Carno. Baby omni just rmb and kills the herra in the bushes

[lethal shale]

Like hahahahajaimgettingforcedtowatchalongcutsceneofmydinosaurdyingbecauseanomniraptorskillfullyputalotofthoughtintopressingrmb3metersawayfrommeandwatchedmediewithabsolutelynothingicandohahahahaahaha

[lethal shale]

The small game hunter needs to knockdown and bite in time before the Herrera gets up, which can be difficult to do

But the mid-large game pack hunter does it by pressing RMB 10 meters away and nothing else

[elfin night]

It’s been a while since I ever got pinned but man, I’ve played omni a few times and it’s so dumb

[lethal shale]

It makes fighting Omnis as anything smaller IMPOSSIBLE

Not even troodons can pounce an Omni if it pins someone

Even worse they get stunned

[elfin night]

I once killed a 85-90% Pachy with a full grown omni because I could pin it down while it was GETTING READY TO RAM ME and I just destroyed it with own button press while it was in the bushes. There was another Pachy that then started running away and it was about the same growth and I ran it down cuz omni is faster and I pinned it when it tried to fight back

So fun and interactive and skillful

[elfin night]

Also let’s not ignore that Omni is much quieter and it also wouldn’t need to start running with a slow turning charge from 50 meters away

[lethal shale]

Bruh 😭

[lethal shale]

Real

[elfin night]

Allo is going to be so fun and skillful if it is any similar to omni

[lethal shale]

Also them people go (but but Herrera also can 1 shot stuff!!!!!1!1!!1!1)

Well Omni isn’t confined to trees, and unlike Herrera if you actually see it coming and want to fight back, you still can’t do anything about it. It’s easy to dodge a Herrera but not Omni and it’s stupid

[elfin night]

This was depressing. Just look at their size and all they could do was flop around as I clawed at them for 15-20 seconds in the middle of the jungle

Look at its size

Spent over an hour growing to die to one button press

[lethal shale]

Woohoo can’t wait to grow a teno for 2 hours just to be ran down by an allo and killed with the slight pressure of the right side of the mouse in my vicinity

If allo does have pin and releases without a pin rework that makes it fair then I’m freaking out

[elfin night]

So easy to debate against that when you compare that Omni can chase you or immediately change its trajectory before pouncing when sticking right next to you instead of having to choose a good spot or needing to triangulate and guess the position of a moving target to get the ONLY jump you’re gonna get

And herra for some reason is louder than an adult omni while running, and sub omnis run faster than carnos. And if it misses it can just keep running at you.

[lethal shale]

It’ll be insane, a fast, agile-ish popular carnivore that can kill 70% of the roster in one button

[lethal shale]

Real, idk how people say Omni is weak it’s literally one of the most absurdly strong dinosaurs in the roster especially for its size 😭

[elfin night]

Imagine being nearly a full adult dibble and getting pinned by the allo when you are forced to stand your ground and fight.

You start charging and immediately after it just clicks rmb and the 14yo behind the screen ends your +150 minute run

[lethal shale]

Just pain

What’s worse is that you can’t cancel a pin

[elfin night]

Or a sub allo catching and pinning an adult cera…

Oh boy

Imagine if subadult is faster like with most creatures

[lethal shale]

Like dibbles can cancel a power swing from a stego before it gets hit but no

Pin just ignores everything

[lethal shale]

I wouldn’t be surprised honestly

50kmh allo

[elfin night]

45kph subadult allo running down and pinning tenos and ceras 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

So skillful

“You’re so good bro” me after allo releases 100%

[lethal shale]

Fg allo was 45+ kmh on the stream (if its final speed)

If that’s final then sub would probably be 50+

[elfin night]

Doubt that would be final

[lethal shale]

Hope not

Insane speed for an allo

[elfin night]

Faster than a cera and a teno? Just marginally slower than omni? No way

No way photo tissue allo is catching up to dilos

[lethal shale]

Surely devs don’t love allo that much right 😭

What’s worse is that allo will turn into the cera situation we have now

[elfin night]

I would say pound for pound and overall beepy is stronger, but it is still beipi and brutally handicapped by its size.

So omni it is

[lethal shale]

So you wouldn’t be able to grow anything technically without the fear of being pinned by a species that is EVERYWHERE

[worthy steeple]

did they remove global chat on norden?

[lethal shale]

Yeah I think

[elfin night]

Depends. Cera is overpicked because a scavenger is inherently easy

[lethal shale]

Everyone I’ve ever met only uses cera till allo releases because it’s the strongest carnivore

[elfin night]

And cera is easy to grow

[lethal shale]

When another strongest carnivore with the most unfair mechanic known to man releases, everyone will flock to that

[lethal shale]

Allo will be aswell when you can pin Herreras as a fresh spawn probably

Ai is also everywhere

[elfin night]

2 hour growth and being able to smell food from miles away AND being able to eat everything and getting diet from bones and rotten flesh does make a carnivore rather easy to grow

If allo has for example 4 hours of growth and a carno tier food drain then there would be less. Also sub rex is likely gonna dunk on them so hard

[steep otter]

It will be just like a packy X omni situation, dibble will destroy a allo in a 1v1 but if in a 1v2 the allos grab the dibble, its over.

[lethal shale]

and other allos everywhere that will love to feed and take care of you

[elfin night]

Juvenile rex too for the juvenile allos

[lethal shale]

Even in a 1v1 pachy stands no chance

[keen plover]

sounds like peak

[elfin night]

And I think rex will be far more fair. Pinning doesn’t look like it will be the same

[lethal shale]

Get out

[elfin night]

Otherwise rex would pin gigas or fresh trikes but nah

[elfin night]

Future allo main detected

You’re so good at this game

[lethal shale]

Probably won’t be the same but still similar

[steep otter]

That would be fun nlg lol, bad balance but fun

[keen plover]

right?

[lethal shale]

Rex killing giga by pressing RMB 😭

[elfin night]

It won’t

For sure

[lethal shale]

Not fun tbh

Just boring. Nothing in it for both parties.

[keen plover]

How would you rework pin

[steep otter]

I hope allo gets faster has he ages, so smaller allos will be easy meals

[elfin night]

Honestly pinning as a rex feels far more acceptable than with omni or allo since it is far more restricted and in all fairness it’s a damn rex, so it should be rewarded if it gets its teeth anywhere close to an allo, maia or dibble

[lethal shale]

Yeah that’s fair

[steep otter]

Also rex is not has fast and not has easy to grow

[elfin night]

Yup

[lethal shale]

I have some ideas but I’m too hungry and tired to bother

[steep otter]

Sub rex will be the REAL issue

If it retains a good chunk of speed

[elfin night]

Deino feels like it will be Deino but actually well designed, skillful and viable as a solo (please don’t ruin it devs)

[elfin night]

Cannot catch up to dryo and it has like carno tier agility if that consoles you

But it is like teno fast apparently or even a little more

[elfin night]

Delete omni

[keen plover]

But why 🤔

Wouldn't it still be a meal to omnis, dilos and carnos while growing?

Doesn't have to be painfully slow

[keen plover]

NO

[elfin night]

It would, but also if it was faster as a sub you risk making a very very strong growth stage

[keen plover]

Just make it faster than fg allo. I think that's good enough

Doesn't have to be running ceras and tenos down either if it's larger

[steep otter]

A good speed for a sub allo is 39

[keen plover]

and what would fg be

[steep otter]

38

[keen plover]

👍

[steep otter]

Start slow has a juvie, peak speed at sub them slow down has a adult

[elfin night]

No allo above 1000kg should be more than 40

[iron tree]

I do play omni sometimes but it is fine aside from the desync issues

[viscid mica]

@rocky surge trike is a apex it’s by design that the strongest take the longest

[rocky surge]

thats what i said yes

it should be longer imo

[viscid mica]

@proper spruce I mean while combat logging can be annoying it would have taken you almost a hour to solo a single full stego let alone two I really don’t think that example is the greatest as solo troodon hunting stego isn’t feasible as they can literally put heal you?

[viscid mica]

Yes I’m dumb and mid read that my apologies

For some reason I just assumed someone wanted it shorter

How long is it now like what 6/7 hours optimal diet

[viscid mica]

Fun fact full heal build Maia can out heal even a trio of troodons as Maia has fairly strong base healing speed

[worthy steeple]

bleed tho

[cosmic pelican]

Troodon does like no bleed 😭

[worthy steeple]

i think it does tho😳 like for its size it does a decent amount and if maia is out of stam it’s just impossible for it to run away with its slow trot speed, won’t be able to outheal troodon pounces as well

tho i think hunting something this big as troodon is just frustrating, too many pounces to krill..

not to mention you can’t even get organs

[cosmic pelican]

It does, remember when you fought be yesterday as troodon with flows? I was still 70% blood by the time it healed

[cosmic pelican]

Gonna be even more so cuz apparently dmg got nerfed again in the ht 🙂

[worthy steeple]

hm, tbf you didn’t really run and we pounced you just few times🥹

[cosmic pelican]

Im gonna lose it 😭

[worthy steeple]

NO WAY

[cosmic pelican]

Got me to 48% hp

[worthy steeple]

ABSOLUTELY NO WAY

[cosmic pelican]

And I ran 40% of my stam

Shouldve gotten me to at least half blood

[frail bobcat]

its so pathetic, its not even funny anymore

[worthy steeple]

wait is that confirmed or just someone’s theory?

[frail bobcat]

like, a wooden pickaxe after you mined three stone is more useful than a troodon rn

[viscid mica]

Ya troodon doesn’t do enough bleed

[worthy steeple]

i actually refuse to believe they nerfed it AGAIN

[cosmic pelican]

80dmg per stage 3 pounce woo
If its true, the old damage buff it got like a year ago, got completely reverted. Its only 5 more dmg than what fresh release troodon had.

[frail bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/winter-solder-ult-bucky-ult-bucky-winter-soldier-marvel-rivals-gif-7485867433641480076

[viscid mica]

Hahaha

[frail bobcat]

@analog mirage AGAIN

[worthy steeple]

NO WAY THEY DID THAT

did they give it something in return?? anything?

[cosmic pelican]

Atp compy is more useful than a troodon

[worthy steeple]

lmaoo

[frail bobcat]

no

[cosmic pelican]

Not that I know of

[analog mirage]

No…not again

[worthy steeple]

this is actually painful

[cosmic pelican]

Glazed played troodon on the HT yesterday, he came back crying

[frail bobcat]

ARMED AND DANGEROUS

[cosmic pelican]

Its so useless its not even funny

[worthy steeple]

like i was fine with 100 it’s not THAT bad, juvie troodon speed was terrible, but i can live with that, BUT ANOTHER DAMAGE NERF? WHY

[cosmic pelican]

And mind you Glazed used to 1v1 most omnis without dying before the nerfs, so hes like a top 5% troodon at least 😭

[worthy steeple]

80 is actually A CRIME

[frail bobcat]

were the omnis lobotomized?

[worthy steeple]

i giggled reading that, sorry.

[cosmic pelican]

Average omni players

[frail bobcat]

guh, I never died to troodons as a fg

how tf did they die?

[cosmic pelican]

Yeah cuz w+shift exists even if you get to red hp

[cosmic pelican]

Ducked around and found out

[minor axle]

Always are

[worthy steeple]

lmao

[viscid mica]

Omnis are honestly IMO the hardest opponents as Troodon simply cuz of pin XD beyond that they would be easy

[slim dragon]

@shut ember
Game isn't about realism, omniraptor is fine apart from the bugs, making omniraptor faster would be less realistic.

[stark mirage]

so are we going to pretend like this is good gameplay, that any carno would do in a 1v1 vs omni? Carnos in my opinion are some of the better players in the isle, which a carno player would honestly just charge, slide, charge, slide until your dead with that ridiculous charge hitbox you showed in that clip. Omni pin though is absolutely a cutscene for dinos smaller than it though. Should probably be a repeated qte for a chance to get out.

[shut ember]

Yeah I don’t mean full realistic but a little and I don’t mean mutch faster but maybe a bit and if not, you could give them a bit more stamina

[slim dragon]

It doesn't need either of those

[shut ember]

Raptor was 60kmh and ingame its under 50 bro, don’t think that it should be like that.

[iron tree]

Omniraptor didn't exist

it's a fictional animal

[slim dragon]

Old estimate, which concerns small raptors, not something the size of omniraptor, balance comes first, and omniraptor is a fictional species

[shut ember]

Yeah but Velociraptor

[iron tree]

it's based on Utahraptor which was a very heavy and slow animal

velociraptor was a tiny rat

[shut ember]

Ingame its also tiny 😂

[slim dragon]

Velociraptor was 30 kg

[slim dragon]

It's the size of a polar bear

[iron tree]

ahhhh yes

[slim dragon]

Or maybe that's deinonychus

[shut ember]

I Watched to mutch Jurrasic World maybe 😂

[iron tree]

Omniraptor is as large as a Velociraptor

[slim dragon]

Yes, probably

[iron tree]

Deinonychus was quite large

[slim dragon]

Jurassic World isn't a good reference for paleo-facts
In fact it's quite the opposite

[slim dragon]

Well yes
30 kg isn't really tiny

[shut ember]

If you say it should be like that im fine with it, but for balancing reasons it would be good in my opinionv

[slim dragon]

For balancing reasons it's perfectly good where it is

[iron tree]

Omni is NOT weak

its entire stamina bar does 1k damage

[iron tree]

Deinonychus is estimated to be around 75kg

[slim dragon]

My deinonychus isn't 75kg

Maybe domesticated ones are smaller

[iron tree]

lmao

PoT deinonychus

[stark mirage]

i agree desync and [hitboxes need to be accurate aswell though, not just teno hitboxes,which have the most accurate hitboxes in the game,] all hitboxes]

[iron tree]

yeah

I just got tail farmed by a carno as a dilo

[stark mirage]

sounds abt right

this is why i only play teno rn (NA7 btw) bc you can't say I didnt whoop your ass on purpose. Only thing is tenos are so rare i can't find any fm tenos.

[viscid mica]

@rustic fractal while pachy should be able to defend itself it certainly couldn’t be winning those fights at best breaking a leg and leaving

[lethal shale]

Brr wasting a stamina bar that is regenned in 2 mins for the life of a pachy that took 1 hour and a half to grow with almost zero counterplay

How balanced

[rustic fractal]

nuh uh

[viscid mica]

It’d be kinda OP

[rustic fractal]

good , its a small tier that gets dominated by literally everything

[viscid mica]

Yes it doesn’t need to dominate everything else in response

[olive zinc]

Imagine a playable that gets hunted down and killed by a chicken

[late torrent]

troodon?

[proper spruce]

I was already 20mins into the fight. Shouldn’t underestimate peoples persistence. But whether solo or a pack a fg stego can just log when a fight breaks out to avoid it entirely. No skills in losing us through brush or anything just straight logs on a whole pack of troodon would be the same results. The problem still remains then.

[viscid mica]

Even if your 20 minute every single point of damage you did was healed in the time you spent sitting to get stam

They coulda logged in that time

You simply didn’t do enough damage to kill them no matter how long you went at it

[proper spruce]

They won’t out heal it haha. They wouldn’t have needed to combat log then if that was true. Troodon can pack a punch & shouldn’t be underestimated even with its 20% dmg nerf since maia. Dmg muts * the amplifier of its venom scale it decently well.

Plus they sometimes friendly fire. In that fight only got them to hit each other once. But a stego power swing helping the fight still matters.

But even if I wasn’t solo let’s say I had a pack with me stalking it maybe takes us 2 rounds to take it down. It could still combat log in the first round and we couldn’t do anything about it. The problem remains.

[viscid mica]

If there was more than 1 of you sure if anything you where just annoying

My entire thing is solo troodon while we wait for more stuff I’m well aware of it’s power it’s nerf and how it hunts I’m also aware of of how easily certain Dino’s out heal you like Maia and stego simply because you can’t do enough damage in quick enough times

[proper spruce]

Then ignore the fact I’m a solo troodon. Do you think combat logging on a pack of them is a problem or not for the game or do you consider it fair?

[viscid mica]

If you mange to combat log quick enough on a full pack maybe

[proper spruce]

So if you had 10 troodons eating at a target alive for close to the 60 seconds while it’s sleeping you’d give kudos to the target for managing to log in time?

Just considering at what you and other players in the community think

[golden coral]

If you can find a solution that allows me to log without you being able to stop it as a solo troodon, maybe it could be considered. But what if I need to go, but you just attack me every time I try to log? How am I supposed to lose you when you're faster, and you otherwise stay out of reach?

The issue basically becomes a matter of, if you can prevent someone from logging, how do they actually get out, when you're just there to stop them

[viscid mica]

No if they managed to log while mid attack from 10 without dying I’d be impressed

Collectively once t3 they could do nearly 10k damage in easily a minute on a unmoving target

Mind you that target would have abit more time prior too for extra time sense they’d take a second to decide to log

[viscid mica]

This is also a good point

[proper spruce]

Land 1x hit on the solo troodon and call it a day. Plus if players play in their own group can watch your back. But this is why I posted “open to further refinement by others” I’m just spitballing ideas. If you were abusing the fact that hitting a target once would reset sleep its just as annoying as combat logging mid fight. But I’d fight to the death not considering abusing it.

[proper spruce]

You first started by saying they don’t do enough dmg to they do a ton

[golden coral]

Right, if you can. But also, what if you wait until they rest/sleep, then attack, then run away, then wait again?

I'm thinking you're not actively hunting, you're just being a troll, so you wouldn't keep attacking, just do it to prevent the log

Not saying there's no solution, just pointing out the other side of the whole thing, I've had raptors just follow my rex at times, doing nothing but spam call, of course out of range, and if I sit down to log, well, they'll start biting me. Not that they were going to starve me out, due to legacy AI, just that they wanted to be a bother.

[viscid mica]

They do in numbers they don’t solo don’t pull my statements out of context

[proper spruce]

Nah I’m full stamming my rounds. Yes I can see trolls abusing it. That’s why I think a brighter mind needs to look into it. It’s simply feedback for the devs that combat logging is a problem some of us face. I know everyone clowns on troodon but I love the buggers and it needs help.

[viscid mica]

Comparing a solo to a 10 stack is wild

[golden coral]

Oh yeah, I've heard troodons are currently struggling and getting nerfed, but apparently there's some method to the madness there

[blissful herald]

in the far future it seems

they wont tell us what for though

[proper spruce]

You’re nitpicking troodon stats in convenience to the argument of troodon. 2x rounds of troodon still can act like a fight of 2x troodons in 1 round. While some fights in the isle can be fast others are about patience. Wether or not a troodon can solo 1 can’t even dream about it cause of the issue of combat logging while being attacked. It’s the real reason why people know it’s impossible.

Which the feedback discussion is related to combat logging. Not troodons strength, not omnis, but combat logging and interactions. Whether solo or a pack I already can tell you don’t see combat logging as a problem. In fact you think it’s impressive to pull off. That’s fine got your votes I’m just looking for others thoughts process on it. Sounds like for most it’s not a problem unfortunately.

[golden coral]

I think the reason it's not seen as much of a problem is that normally you would kill the target before it can log if you have the sufficient numbers/strength to do so. If it was a smaller target, or you had more troodons (or any playable really, it does not just concern troodon), then it'd have died before getting out. If something can tank so and so many hits for so long, then well, it tends to be a bit out of your league to go after in the first place.

[viscid mica]

So you think any amount of damage should prevent logging?

[proper spruce]

A rat can dream. I just want the opportunity. If a troodon is fighting something out of its league why would player(s) be combat logging against them? Its cause they feel threatened enough to do so and that they may actually die. The fellas in the vid stuck around 20 minutes they didn’t have to go anywhere they were pressured to log out.

[proper spruce]

No this was a mere suggestion. I explicitly wrote directly before my suggestion “open to further refinement from others” which brighter minds would need to look at. I’m just asking for a solution to combat logging. Cause frankly I find it kinda toxic.

[viscid mica]

Fair, my main concern is any solution could lead to PT and galli being able to harass people and being super bad for mixpackers being able to fully stop you from logging

[golden coral]

Fair, just explaining why people might not think it's much of an issue. And well, people can and do log for other reasons too, might be obvious in this case but won't always be. Then you have the, 5 seconds left, and you literally stumble upon them, and now they're "stuck". Personally I don't know if it really is much of a problem, I don't think I've ever had it happen to me (outside of the, finding a target a few seconds before they go poof, but well, I didn't find them in time to kill them, that's on me), but then I think like a carno, hunt the small things you can easily kill.

[viscid mica]

Tbh I’ve never been combat logged on by stegos they usually try and fight it or by the time they are low enough to be worried it’s far too late and I can do enough damage to end it

[proper spruce]

Yes I agree with that. I’m definitely not the one to come up with the solution for it I’ve got a bit of brain rot ngl. But something I think should be done about it. I don’t know what the solution could be but it’s so disheartening and I’m always frustrated after these kind of fights. Honestly, I’m still salty bout the thing so I’m sorry if I was abrasive. Just another L for troodon and the feeling of being “outplayed” simply by laying anywhere and passing out with enough hp left. I don’t want to be stuck killing babies all the time.

[viscid mica]

Tbh solo troodon against 2 stegos is also just a bad example for it

Cuz like we all know if they decided to fight you where dying

[proper spruce]

Yea true. But this is the one time I got in on decent video. Going through my other streams to locate other stego fights where they safe log. Found 1 other fighting a juvi but I wasn’t tearing into its face like this vid when it was logging so honestly my fault he got away while I was stamming up. During this mentioned fight I thought it was a stam truce and thought he was resting. The animation for sleep looks just like it so probably why I thought that and why I brought it up in the feedback as well.

But even if I was biting his face prob still woulda got away because a troodons dmg is mostly in its pounce. Went 3 rounds with them fighting me and they gave in to log. Idk if these two were confident, or skilled, enough to take on a rat tbh. Definitely some half decent stegos woulda had me on the menu screen. But stumbled upon dumb and dumber here which was going well until the inevitable.

[viscid mica]

Ya troodon is all pounce tbh

[elfin night]

@lethal shale I know you love Omni so let me tell you how I was a 600kg sub cera without second mutation (although I got it minutes after the start of this which helped to deter) and I was ambushed in the open of south plains by 5 omnis and I was 50 meters away from the water.

One of them latched to my side coming out of nowhere with their hyper silent footsteps and left me in yellow almost orange with one button press before I reached the water to shrug them off and fighting then there because they missed pounces and tried to follow me into the water. 5 adult Omnis, 2 of them died.

No wonder omni players at large think Omni is trash and not a low effort crutch when they are this terrible

I actually thought I was dead, but somehow they surprised me

They could’ve instantly grappled me even when I was against the water but they couldn’t

Face pouncing and falling into the water until two of them dropped and I was late orange

And the rest just cut their losses and ran away

[viscid mica]

Skill issue

[elfin night]

So true

[viscid mica]

Omni def has a decently high level of entry to be “good”

[elfin night]

They have a gargantuan skill issue. I swear I thought I was done after one of them chewed through half of my health in 10-15 seconds

But no

They lost two pack mates and fled

Bruh 😭 😭 😭

A single omni could solo a cera of that size

[lethal shale]

Bruh what

FIVE??

[elfin night]

I am not lying

Not even exaggerating. 5 or even 6. Didn’t notice properly since some didn’t engage as much

[lethal shale]

Holy skill issue

[elfin night]

But at the very least 5

And one of them

Made 50% of my health with one pounce before I got to the water

Also the two that I killed

One simply got chomped to death after missing too many pounces I got eh water

[lethal shale]

That’s insane 😭

[elfin night]

The other was pinned by his buddy on accident 6 feet away from me

Great players

No wonder so many newbies complain about Omni

They are terrible

[lethal shale]

Fr 😭

Omni is just fine, if not even a tad too strong

[elfin night]

I would say Omni is leaning towards balanced side and that the counterplay with trees and water is perfectly fine

It’s just jank

And also honestly the pinning is rather cheap

[viscid mica]

I’d say omni is perfectly balanced similar to tenno. It just has a really high skill cap so if you practice enough, you could be God or you can be trash.

[elfin night]

But pouncing and grapple are largely fine and it is acceptable for me that they get hard countered by terrain

Otherwise what do you want? Omnis just grappling anything or killing it in two near full pounces??

Imagine if bushes and trees couldn’t shrug off an omni

And with the current bucking you just die as a cera if two of them pounce you with a little over half of their stamina

[lethal shale]

Well yeah but remove pin please

[viscid mica]

NO pin is a fair mechanic you have to be smaller and everything smaller can pretty easily avoid and or go unnoticed

[lethal shale]

It’s not fair 💀

What the hell-

Omniraptor, a popular, fast, very agile and strong raptor, getting to 1 shot everything smaller than them by the press of a button, and the victims can’t fight back at all and need to watch a cutscene of my dinosaur dying because yeah the omniraptor put a LOT of thought and skillful planning into clicking RMB with the huge hitbox to skillfully kill my dinosaur

Hahahahahaomniraptortakeslessefforttokillaherrerasaurusthanacarnoorceratodespitebeingafractionofthesizehaahahaha

Even if im a small creature I should be able to put up a fight but no im put to the floor and killed with nothing to do

It’s like saying carno should be able to pin omniraptors with their legs to the ground and behead them with one bite because it’s a small game hunter. Not very fair is it?

[elfin night]

the 30% omni pinning adult herreras or the 70% one pinning gallis:

[viscid mica]

Galli is faster Herrera can climb trees

[elfin night]

or the adult one pinning 90% pachis

I did it once to two pachies back to back

so fair and balanced

and no it is not a pachy issue

[viscid mica]

So are we gonna just pretend Rex isn’t getting a pin?

[elfin night]

but rex isnt a 46kph creature that can jump and is quieter than a running herra

[viscid mica]

And omni isn’t heavy enough to insta pin more than 80% of the roaster

[viscid mica]

Tbh the audio EQ on the whole roaster for both calls and footsteps does need some love

Omni is too quite to others

[lethal shale]

It still shouldn’t get to 1 shot most of the roster that easily compared to much larger species

Take Herrera for example, where does it make sense that an Omni takes less effort to kill it than a dilo, carno, cera, etc

Omni is already very capable without pin 1 shotting everything

[fervent orchid]

so i was thinking, and since this is the balance chat, kind of. stego can 2-3 tap a fg deino with headshots. which means its power swing is doing roughly 3-3.5k per swing correct? if weight is actually equal to health
that's bonkers damage for something that has 0 recovery time

[stark mirage]

omni is not capable without pin

although pin isnt fair for smaller animals

pin is fine for bigger animals

cerato is a better pick 9/10 times

[stark mirage]

yes i dont even play dieno bc i dont care to, but deino specifically should do insane damage to a stego head. Honestly stegos head should be extremely weak if stego is gonna be a raidboss. Only makes sense

[cosmic pelican]

Normal alt swing does 1250dmg, standing power swing does 1800, running power swing does 2250. So unless the stego does 3 running power swings to a deinos head it wont kill it in 3 blows.

And all these attacks cost between 5-15% stam

[cosmic pelican]

Stegos head already has a 2x damage multiplier, which is completely unique to it

[stark mirage]

Dieno has 8k health and stego 6k right? So if dienos bite is 500×2=1000×6. which is absurd a dieno has to bite a tiny stego head 6 times?

what is the headshot multiplier for dieno?

if you can find it bc i can't

[fervent orchid]

1.5

[cosmic pelican]

With damage mutations you can go up to 1.2k dmg each headshot, its more than enough

Shiver me timbers deino has a tough match up

[stark mirage]

so 1800 powerswing turns to 2700dmg.

Whats 2700times 3

8100

can we not be disingenuous for once?

[steep gazelle]

3 power swings on a deino, imagine on a rex? rex doesn't have resistance in the head like the trike, about 4-5 is gg ez for stego

[cosmic pelican]

All depends if rex can stun stego or not

If it can, gg rip stego

[vale brook]

hence why rex has sparring to avoid putting itself in situations where it is forced to tank a power swing

[steep gazelle]

yeah, there's that too

[vale brook]

because rex, being a land apex, is equipped to deal with stego

the water apex is not

[stark mirage]

you were right

[steep gazelle]

stego power swing is very fast, like herrera bite

[cosmic pelican]

Lets be real here if a deino lets itself be headshot by powerswings 3 times in a row before moving out of the way it kinda deserves to die

Like, youd have to be facetanking a stegos side for that to happen

[vale brook]

it also has a decently limited range, so you'd pretty much have to be giving the stego free swings at the face to be hit several times in succession

[stark mirage]

true, but should a dieno honestly have bite a stego head more than 2 realistically

[vale brook]

no, but thank god this is not a game going for pure realism

[cosmic pelican]

If were going realism a stego would 1 shot a deino to the head as well.

Also deino can 1 shot stego already by grabbing it

[vale brook]

deino can one shot stego, stego can 3 shot you

this is what happens when one apex goes into the enviorment of another

[stark mirage]

im dont object to that though

[steep gazelle]

If it were to be realistic, Deino would have a stronger bite than Rex

[vale brook]

kissen said it best lol

[cosmic pelican]

One pounce from a troodon giving you an infection and forcing you to die

[steep gazelle]

and it would have more than 8 tons too, it would be something around 12t

[steep gazelle]

i like this

buff troodon

[cosmic pelican]

Truly the troodon buff the devs have been preparing us for

[warm cloak]

Oh definitely

[stark mirage]

honestly i could say i agree with kissin on this issue

[vale brook]

like i said, said it best

[crimson crater]

realistically speaking troodon dosen’t exist so!

[steep gazelle]

noooooo 😭

[cosmic pelican]

Troodon itself exists, the genus doesnt

[crimson crater]

ye straight up remove it from the codes lmao

[vale brook]

its nice to get a developers perspective on things because they inherently have more information and understanding behind why the deicisions were made, and you can definitely understand where theyre coming from with that screenshot

[cosmic pelican]

Friendly reminder we will never get herreras accurate size of 350kg

[stark mirage]

we need that

[crimson crater]

friendly reminder

[cosmic pelican]

Why must you torment me like this

[fervent orchid]

ive heard theyre going to upscale deino after rex/trike are out

[cosmic pelican]

My poor velo...

[crimson crater]

on the bright side it’ll feed many

[stark knoll]

I've never seen any actual mention of this by the devs

[vale brook]

i wouldnt be surprised if the AI dinosaurs become playable at some point (except for compy/ptero), just not enabled on officials (or only enabled of No AI officials if those come back)

[stark mirage]

i would make sense based on dieno size estimates

[vale brook]

its a rumor that got started around the time deino got its growth nerf

[fervent orchid]

then its just speculation floating around the community, like i said, i heard not confirmed

[steep gazelle]

I hope, in the current state deino can't even face a terrestrial apex that enters his lake/river, and much less will he be able to face a spino

[stark knoll]

Deino size estimates were lowered recently, down to around 6.4t? I'd have to ask around for the paper

[fervent orchid]

i think itll get better once we have more semi aquatics

[vale brook]

i think people saw "deino kit adjustment" on roadmap and assumed it was in preperation for the apex system in the future, similarly to stego's kit adjustment

[vale brook]

until spino at least

[stark mirage]

im so glad they didnt make my beloved spino a quad

[steep gazelle]

bary, sucho and allo should have been released before trike and rex, I think evrima isn't ready for the main apex yet

[fervent orchid]

i agree. allo would have been more than enough to help with the stego issue

[vale brook]

allo and sucho probably would have caused far more issues than either of the apexes

[elfin night]

playable compy as a micromanager gameplay of building your troo pack would be epic though

[vale brook]

allo, a mid tier with seemingly an ambush, grapple ability, etc thats bigger than most of the roster? oh current roster would get destroyed by allosaurus

[steep gazelle]

Evrima's biggest problem right now is the poor optimization and Cerato being an apex xd

[vale brook]

rex and trike are being kept back by one specific thing, speed

well size too i guess

speed alone locks rex into almost more of an ambush hunter, making it rely on treelines/bushes/forests to ensure proper ambushes

[stark mirage]

this is a fact

[vale brook]

allo would probably be pretty fast, probably close to cerato speed without the ambush. with the ambush, i cant imagine how tenos/ceratos would handle that

[elfin night]

swimming would be very consistent probably

[vale brook]

and adding apexes first doesnt stop this problem, it helps it slightly by adding natural predators for adult allosaurus, but it will not fix the issues that alot of our smaller animals like teno and cera will suffer from with allo

granted, they'll find a way to survive, but still

[elfin night]

otherwise awareness and not getting in killing range

[stark mirage]

as a teno main ill whoop some allo ass i hope

[fervent orchid]

i think its fine theyre testing trike and rex on ht but they should put out allo on ht then have all 3 on ht to test everything together before putting it on live. it might be too much but i think we should get allo before rex/trike

[vale brook]

you are a 1.5k animal trying to fight a 2.5k+ ATLEAST animal that has a grapple/ambush

you are getting destroyed

[elfin night]

they're gonna kill you with one button press bro. dont even try it unless they cant pin you

[stark mirage]

fuckkkkkk

[vale brook]

thats like saying "i will whoop omni ass with dryo!"

@lethal shale please dont

[lethal shale]

Brr allo crouches for 2 seconds, catches up to Teno without an ambush that already saw it and knew it was there, and gets killed bc allo pressed RMB 3 meters within the vicinity of the teno and skillfully pins it

[elfin night]

just kill juveniles

[lethal shale]

Don’t what 😭

[fervent orchid]

i just hope they make it so pinned dinos can either fight back or try to get things off them/break free because getting pinned by a omni as a gali is just inescapable death and its not fun

[vale brook]

i dont think its a crouch thing anymore, its seemingly just something you do while sprinting with a heavy stamina cost

[lethal shale]

Even worse!

[warm cloak]

Is ambush coming back for everyone

[elfin night]

small sub rex getting pinned with no counterplay by allo is crazy

[vale brook]

i KNOW you have a video on your computer of you kicking omni ass with dryo and i refuse to see it

[elfin night]

or maia since it is slower when younger now

[vale brook]

select animals. rex is confirmed to have it, allo may have it, i dont think theyve entirely decided yet

[stark knoll]

Right now it's only for rex. Allo might get it if it needs it

[lethal shale]

Well uh pin doesn’t really let dryo do that

But i killed a 400kg carno once if that counts as anything

[stark mirage]

welp ig im switching to allo and joining the aloo megapacks that will unfortunately occur

[warm cloak]

I pray, pin and ambush sounds crazy

Trulency about to be poweful

[vale brook]

im telling you man, mid tiers would have been far worse for the game than the apexes. the apexes (will hopefully) have such challenging growth, and have various life niches between cycles, naturally offering a more dynamic ecosystem than something like allo would have provided

[warm cloak]

[vale brook]

i like getting it for galli :]

[warm cloak]

Honestly I’ve only fought Gali friends as Gali

[stark mirage]

actually imma become a stego main bc why not

[vale brook]

no dont youll hate life and realize stego is infact not op and just gets bullied

(it doesnt get bullied that often anymore but my god it was bad for a while)

[stark mirage]

you talking abt the raidboss?

[elfin night]

ngl, game would've been vietnam with sucho early on, even before cera. Controlling all the water sources and not being countered by safe drinking spots, they could just monopolize all of the hotspots and never worry about being challenged with their megapacks since deinos could struggle against a handful of them and they can either go to land or water depending on what is better for them

Just like a stego but eats fish instead of plants and it has a predatory kit.

[vale brook]

its scarier when you remember when sucho was planned to drop in update 3 originally iirc

[elfin night]

true lmfao

[vale brook]

or in one of the sooner updates, i dont recall

[elfin night]

I remember, also why I said it

sucho earlier on would've been terribly unbalanced

[stark mirage]

what would have made sucho imbalanced?

[elfin night]

and tbh on paper bary might as well be like a solid A or S tier playable. Semi aquatics that aren't deino are just good in this game

because water negates so many abilities while also having its own set of mobility and three dimensions of movement

[vale brook]

assuming it got added when it was initially supposed to, it would have entered the game with

Carno
Dryo
Omni
Stego
Teno
Deino
Ptera

only 2 of these things stand any chance against an adult suchomimus (unless its a massive omni pack, or a decent sized carno pack since carno was huge back then)

and with spiro inherently leading most players to large water sources and having all their water sources connected... yeah its not looking good in the alternate sucho universe

it probably would have somewhat worked itself out by now, but i imagine sucho players would have the same reputation as cerato/stego players right now

[stark mirage]

The current iteration of sucho doesnt swim well right?

[elfin night]

the fact that it is a carnivore that, similarly to cera, doesn't need that much active hunting to survive, and top of that it is almost the size of a stego and can flee to the water if something dangerous shows up in land, or go to land if something like a croc appears

[elfin night]

it is the best swimmer in legacy. Not really speed but it is above average and also the best swimming stam