balance-feedback-discussion

[worthy steeple]

bro is mad 🥹

[solid wyvern]

I mean that the point. Strong bleeding is cool. Giga also had one while being slower and tankier

[worthy steeple]

i know that’s the point, doesn’t make it good lol

[solid wyvern]

It is good

Bleed is cool mechanic no matter what

[worthy steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-ragebait-this-guy-iron-man-tony-stark-gif-3966857531535969686

[solid wyvern]

It sucks to die from bleed but thats the point of this mechanic

Tbf I kinda prefer Evrima bleed since it's no longer affect main health bar

[worthy steeple]

i think you’re missing the point without realizing it

[solid wyvern]

?

[iron tree]

it's about dilo's venom

it's not a bleeder anymore

[worthy steeple]

yes, one bite = death, that’s the problem

[solid wyvern]

One bite is only when something small enough or you bite head of something slightly bigger but not by much*

you need 3rd stage for clones be appear

[worthy steeple]

have you played the game recently?

[solid wyvern]

Yes

[worthy steeple]

have you encountered dilo on HT?

[solid wyvern]

It usualy taking for me multiple bites for something like carno

[solid wyvern]

I played it

[worthy steeple]

good, so you should know

[solid wyvern]

yes. And I know that venom doesn't apply that easy as you think

1 bite isn't enough for cases like carno or bigger

[worthy steeple]

ahah you don’t realize the dilo potential yet

now i see

[iron tree]

dilos can kill trikes with ONE bite at night

[solid wyvern]

I exactly know how it works so I do know. Unless you bite carno in head it is impossible to apply 3 rd stage just by 1

[solid wyvern]

Sounds like you trolling

Pretty sure that trike just can tank clones untill venom effect dissapears

[worthy steeple]

NO LOL, i guess you won’t kill trike, but it will take one bite to kill something like teno

[solid wyvern]

I was fighting 2 sub carnos on HT and it took multiple bites for each before I made both of them to 3 rd stage.

[worthy steeple]

because it was during daytime and it doesn’t matter, it’s still a death sentence once creature envenomed

[iron tree]

nope

I don't know why you're defending a broken mechanic

fixing it is not a nerf

[worthy steeple]

because they don’t know it’s broken

[iron tree]

fr

[worthy steeple]

it happens time to time, but they will realize at some point

[solid wyvern]

I an not defending I am just saying that I don't belive you that 1 bite is enough to apply 3rd stage for anything big

[iron tree]

I mean it can shred through sub trike's health with a single bite

[worthy steeple]

it’s one bite for the teno, like 3 for fg stego and then let it die

[iron tree]

and sub trike is MASSIVE

[worthy steeple]

yeah lol

[solid wyvern]

I know the way it's broken but 1 bite thing is definitely your imagination

[worthy steeple]

it’s not

venom has 5x multiplayer during nighttime

[pure jay]

u cute

[worthy steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1232185340425404427/1345776273183473716/cheesy.gif

u too

[solid wyvern]

Anyway I am not defending mechanic itself lol. It does need rework because damage from the clones is stupid

[worthy steeple]

glad you realize that

[iron tree]

the damage is fine

[solid wyvern]

Unavoidable damage

[iron tree]

you just have to be able to fight back

when dilo released its venom worked as intended and it was fine

[worthy steeple]

honestly, i would rather have dilo not be able to deal damage with the clones, but be able to spawn multiple of them running around the prey and confusing it, so real dilo can land a bite.

[solid wyvern]

Personally I just don't like the concept clones do damage themself

[solid wyvern]

So you sayning the fact clones can't be killed without taking damage - bug?

[worthy steeple]

yes, me too

[iron tree]

that'd go against dilo's intended playstyle

[worthy steeple]

it’s not a bug as far as i know, they just removed the feature

[iron tree]

it is infact bugged

[iron tree]

wait wha

[worthy steeple]

does that matter?

[iron tree]

I mean kinda

to be fair

it is better than what we currently have

[worthy steeple]

if dilos thing is bite few times and spawn army of clones to watch its prey die it’s not a good feature, it’s a poor game design

[iron tree]

it could work

[solid wyvern]

what do you mean. Are you have quotes from the devs that player not supposed to defend themselves from the clones by hitting them to prevent damage?

[worthy steeple]

literally how it is right now, and nobody likes that

[iron tree]

if the dilo has to bite its prey to spawn more clones or if the venom lasts for a short period of time

the dilo's goal would be to keep its prey envenomated

if it doesn't, the prey won't die

[worthy steeple]

i mean, they just removed that in one patch and never said anything, i doubt it’s a bug.

they added passive clones spawn

you know they stopped talking about balance changes a while ago.

[solid wyvern]

what is passive clone thing?

[worthy steeple]

it was probably just a buff, because dilo was “weak” before the patch

[solid wyvern]

Well I rmember that Kissen responded when people started to complain about sudde nerf to troo on HT

[iron tree]

oh my god

[worthy steeple]

dilo spawns clones passively now, even when you don’t press m2.

that’s basically one of the reasons it’s so op, bite something once and just let the clones spawn

[iron tree]

climbing is so broken atm

I latched onto a wall, the game said no and I broke my leg

[worthy steeple]

that was very unexpected, tho she didn’t even mention the reasons or something, just said they’re planning other stuff

[solid wyvern]

Well the reasononing was said that juvie troo being that fast was stupid or something like that

[worthy steeple]

i don’t remember her saying that, would be nice if you could find the message

tho i agree with that, i used to hate juvie troodon being THAT fast, it was a bit uncomfortable to play

[solid wyvern]

I personally don't like when balance changes are hidden thing. Thats a jerk ass move honestly

Because people will find out anyway that something got changed

[worthy steeple]

wow no need for personal insults towards the devs lol

tho it creates some controversy ofc, but it’s probably because they change stuff all the time and they just dont want to add anything to the patch notes that they will change in few days

[iron tree]

it'll most likely be in the patchnotes

[solid wyvern]

Well for a live branch updated it probably will but I am not sure

[worthy steeple]

no, it will not be, they don’t include any stat changes in patchnotes anymore

even something like knockdown duration, they accidentally posted that but the edited the message to hide it

i honestly have no idea why

if we knew the changes it would be easier to test stuff and give a feedback

[solid wyvern]

Oh, so that exactly what I heard the stopped post stat changes 2 or more years ago

[crimson crater]

#balance-feedback message it got nerfed?

[worthy steeple]

baby is now like 20km/h

[crimson crater]

so only during juvi-sub stages, not too bad

[worthy steeple]

i mean yeah, but i don’t like how vulnerable it is now, hope it becomes faster pretty quickly

[iron tree]

It doesn't

[worthy steeple]

rip then lmao

[iron tree]

You're slower than ceras until you're big

I grew a maia and I was using speed mutations

[green kestrel]

What speed was Maia nerfed to?

[iron tree]

it's just the juvi speed

20 kmh

[steep gazelle]

devs hate juv with good speed xd

[iron tree]

fr

[alpine sleet]

maybe they could keep the current amount of clones and let them deal damage, just make it so they have a delay of 0.3 seconds or so until they bite you, so you have a chance of killing them before getting hit

[arctic sigil]

@surreal plover whats the maia speed now?

[iron tree]

20 kmh

[arctic sigil]

how much was it before?

[cosmic pelican]

39kmh

[arctic sigil]

thats quite a strong nerf

[frail bobcat]

like, full sprinting speed?

[iron tree]

yes

[frail bobcat]

the days of laughter have not returned

[keen plover]

Maia is slower than cera and teno up until 60%~

[cosmic pelican]

What...

so if a cera sees a sub maia its just dead?

what the hell 😭

[iron tree]

yes

[cosmic pelican]

bruh

[edgy crow]

I guess its the "tradeoff" for these kicks

[cosmic pelican]

that do like 100dmg as a sub and you cant even combo with them

hell yeah

Whats with nerfing already underperforming and underplayed playables recently 😭

[carmine tundra]

as much as everyone hates the troodon nerfs once a dinosaur gets a nerf it usually doesnt get rebuffed again like carnos size or dilo on its diet

[idle meteor]

Cera is in a difficult spot right now it needs help, for example it still cant kill pteras, it needs a jumping+alt bite added. also regarding crocs in water it lacks the kit to kill them while submerged, possible dive+alt bite. /s

[carmine tundra]

maybe im wrong about dondi being the person who decides what dinosaur gets balanced but hes pretty awful when it comes to balancing

[crimson crater]

i’m posting this in general feedback, brilliant

[idle meteor]

XD

[late torrent]

Im agree with you but as Troodon mainer , felow player , and just feedback active persone , Im and like most troodons will not stop to strugel for that buf

[carmine tundra]

im sorry dude but what the hell did you just say

[late torrent]

Im saying that i really want the buf , and that Im agree with you

[carmine tundra]

i understanded like half of it respectfuly

[carmine tundra]

ok fair

[rich wadi]

#balance-feedback message What are you talking about, they literally buffed maia in the hordetest

[steep gazelle]

He talking about Maia juv's speed being reduced to 20km, which doesn't make much of a difference Because your cooldown between attacks has been decreased

[rich wadi]

Don't you mean decreased ?

[steep gazelle]

.

[green sluice]

#balance-feedback message Adult Maia is the same speed, its just harder to run away from threats while growing up. With more time on maia than I care to admit yet, I'm just going to remind people that if they knew how good the buffs it also received alongside the juvi speed nerf, they wouldn't want terminator Maia growing up so easily.

[iron tree]

A lot of animals rely on cc

If they can't use their stuns and knock-downs to defend themselves they'll die because...well...they rely on cc

[hasty coyote]

pachy literally getting face tanked by dilo/omni the moment it doenst have cc

[alpine plover]

well maybe make some kind of mutation or mechanical/balanced on stun attacks where on the 2 or 3 hit is a stun, i understand stunning raptors every hit when youre bigger than it but for other carnivores when they're fg also? i know every dinosaur is OP in their own way and anything can happen but would be a cool mutation.

[hasty coyote]

Most dinosaurs with stuns are already balanced around low damage per attack since they can chain multiple attacks together. Like pachy without stuns flat out dies to a dilo since it can just face tank the pachy (even with stuns, the brief moment of cc immunity allows dilo to face tank a pachy that does not back off after the first hit). For larger dinos, teno without stuns will just die to a cera as the cera can trade kicks for charged bites and win, add vomit and its an unwinnable fight.

[slim dragon]

Please, existing combat mutations are already cringe enough
We don't need yet another way to completely counter some specific playables

Also that mutation makes no sense

[eager saddle]

This tbh. Some things might not seem that strong, but even the small speed % increase (that depends on time btw) is already deleting balance.

[edgy crow]

#balance-feedback message thoughts?

[eager saddle]

With all the “make teno a semi-aquatic”, I don’t see why not. It’s a good solution to a problem

[keen plover]

eh maias swim stam isn't even half as good as tenos and teno outturns it

But I do think it should be slower than teno

[iron tree]

No.

How is dibble gonna handle allos, ceras, albertos, etc. if they're using the mutation? How is teno gonna defend itself against carnos and ceras? How is maia gonna defend itself against omnis and dilos?

Combat mutations already suck but this one would be the worst

@fervent orchid just don't fight stegos unless you're a good dibble player

[steep otter]

This the worse balancing idea i have ever seen

[tall bronze]

There has been worse I assure you.

[steep gazelle]

#balance-feedback message @crimson crater For this mutation to be removed, all others that break the game balance must also be removed: Photo, nocturnal, prey drave, hypermetabolic, hemomania, gastronomic

[crimson crater]

i don’t see how other mutations have to do with this one’s existence but yea, they need to go too

[steep gazelle]

Because these mutations break the balance in favor of carnivores, just as tactile breaks it in favor of herbivores.

[slim dragon]

Photo and nocturnal are both available to both carnivores and herbivores tho
But they're still terrible

[worthy steeple]

speed mutations are the worst

i don’t mind tactile or damage mutations as much as i absolutely HATE speed mutations and how they break the balance.

i can kill a cera with 30% damage buff, that’s not a big deal, but when the same cera outruns and kills pachy you know there’s something wrong.

all of them should go, every mutation that changes damage/speed or gives damage reduction

[crimson crater]

tactile is a close second to that

the ability to have infinite stamina is insane

[slim dragon]

In terms of what's worst for balance, I'd say speed muts are first, then tactile, then gastro, then damage muts

But in the case of tactile and gastro, it really depends on the playable
A troodon has 0 reason to ever pick gastro, same goes with a dryo and tactile endurance

[crimson crater]

pretty much

[slim dragon]

But tactile and gastro are very close
And gastro gets stronger than tactile on playables who can eat without ever throwing up

[viscid mica]

@alpine sleet fun fact dibble can solo stun lock a stego to death if they get first hit.

@fervent orchid stego would and tbh probably will get completely cleaned out by apex carnivores if it has even less attack capacity. Leave the boy alone until we can see how it handles apex’s

@edgy crow Maia doesn’t need to be nerfed so teno can survive for many reasons but let’s just get the basic 3 teno has higher damage capacity with kicks and can easily dodge stomps teno can jump and teno has better agility than Maia and can easily juke it

[viscid mica]

@obtuse ocean might I ask what you disagree with?

[obtuse ocean]

Hey, first one i agree with. Dont understand either. Maia im fine with, since i think it was to fast in the juvi stage. Cus i dont think they nerfed adult stage? If so i agree with you. And i tho trike was crap, think it will get mauled by mid tiers lol. But thats a unpopular opinion.

[viscid mica]

It’s not juvi speed it’s adult speed that got nerfed

[obtuse ocean]

I have now changed lol ,whyy

[viscid mica]

Fair trike is missing a part of its kit atm “sparring”

Aka Turing capacity

[obtuse ocean]

Yea i know, still think its crap for apex lol

maia speed that was a bummer

[viscid mica]

We’ll have to see maybe it’s alt attack needs a speed buff? We WILL SEE

[alpine sleet]

wow, what did they do with stuns? luckly its just testing so i hope they remove this new thing going on with stunlocks

like is the cooldown that short now?

[viscid mica]

I mean is stego not faster than trike?

[alpine sleet]

what do you mean? yes stego is faster when fg

[viscid mica]

Stego can run from FGs then but same time bully smalls tbh herbi on herbi is some feind activity beyond my usual level of feind

[alpine sleet]

idk i like herbi vs herbi, i just dont like the new stunlock mechanic

many times you have to kill other herbies because of how much they eat

[viscid mica]

Oh that’s not new stego and dibble stun locking eachother has been a thing

Etc why stegos avoid dibbles unless they must and dibbles can easily outrun a stego

[viscid mica]

[alpine sleet]

but this stego didnt even time its attacks, just spammed power swing and stunlocked me, i dont rember it being this bad

[viscid mica]

Yea…. It do be doing that because if it lands a hit it stagers and can keep following up with free hits

[alpine sleet]

the first one landing an attack will always win, its almost like if they could pin you, no counterplay if you get ambushed or are slower, at least rex is a carnivore, but i dont see herbivores being so good at hunting fair

[elfin night]

To be honest, 5% speed isn’t that much. Cera would only catch up if it ambushes- which yeah is bad, but it’s not like this weird perception everyone has about speed thinking that being 0.5kph faster than someone allows you to clearly outrun them in no time

Damage mutations, tactile and gastro need to go anyway

[toxic jasper]

If you cant take on 2 full sized ceras with a full sized stego you have mental issue

skill

[alpine sleet]

what? im talking about the stunlock, not that

[toxic jasper]

either way

[elfin night]

Tactile is just terrible for design and I say it as a main of things that have it available. It just takes away any punishment for getting baited and missing 20 alt attacks because you cannot really punish them as much once they run out of stam

[toxic jasper]

just play steggo

[alpine sleet]

im not even talking about that kind of matchup

[toxic jasper]

what kind

those are the 2 metas

[alpine sleet]

im talking about this new mechanic in the ht, it seems like now the stun cooldown refresh after getting hit, so you can get stunlocked pretty easy, by example a diablo can stunlock a stego and a stego can stunlock a diablo just by spamming attacks

[toxic jasper]

good keep nerfing them

[alpine sleet]

that wasnt a nerf, it was a buff for herbivores who can stun, it affects carnivores more than it affects other herbivores

[toxic jasper]

yeah idk just nerf herbivores add fish to swamp games good

herbs should be forced to pack to live not go hunting carnovors for memes

[alpine sleet]

nah not packing imo, just not being better at hunting than a carnivore

[toxic jasper]

it should take 2-3 steggos to take down a t-rex esc preditor

[viscid mica]

Completely irrelevant to the conversation

[toxic jasper]

thats ong tho

such facts if you cant dont play lmao

[viscid mica]

Stego would be unplayable if it can’t defend itself 1v1 as it WILL be slower than Rex

[alpine sleet]

pachies are forced to pack and they went extinct, theres an idyllic idea of how things should be but in an online game it doesnt work

[toxic jasper]

erm duh

[toxic jasper]

thats the point

[viscid mica]

Pachy needs buffs stat

[toxic jasper]

listen if you want the game to be realistic herbs should be forced to pack to live not go out and slay hurds of ceras like i have

[alpine sleet]

i dont want it to be realistic honestly

[toxic jasper]

go play path of titans then

dev already said his take on this he wants realism

[alpine sleet]

the isle isnt realistic nor meant to be, so why would i go play pot?

[toxic jasper]

watch the interview

[viscid mica]

It’s not so much that more so pachy is genuinely trash even IN GROUPS you should play it some time it’s incredibly weak

[toxic jasper]

why would anyone play a weak dino

[viscid mica]

The isle is semi realistic sacrificing some realism for balancing

[viscid mica]

Exactly……

[alpine sleet]

yeah at some degree, not fully realistic, they will add mutants, humans, and want all creatures to be able to defend from their predators, balance is over realism in this game

[viscid mica]

[toxic jasper]

where is the balance atm

[viscid mica]

Everywhere tbh

[toxic jasper]

i try to attack a steggo 100% croc i die at the bank

[toxic jasper]

explain that

[viscid mica]

Yes

[toxic jasper]

XD

[viscid mica]

Deino is a ambusher not A BRAWLER

[alpine sleet]

you have a one click ability that can one shot creatures up to 50% your size

[toxic jasper]

thats so dumb its unreal and unrealistic hes dinking at the damn bank lmao

[alpine sleet]

thats why you lose to a stego

[toxic jasper]

not an ambush

[slim dragon]

You try to attack anything else you oneshot them

[viscid mica]

Deino isn’t built to be face tanking 3 foot spikes from a creature infamous for 1 tapping predators

[toxic jasper]

a steggos head isnt built to wishstand my jaws

[viscid mica]

“Semi realism”

[toxic jasper]

like what lmao

a steggo would lose that fisht dragged into water

[slim dragon]

Yet none of them can oneshot each other. That's where gameplay comes in, because getting oneshot as a 5+ hour grow would be lame

[viscid mica]

Stego have insanely thick bones and jugular plating plus they do take 2x HS damage your simply not heavy enough to grab them when they on land

[toxic jasper]

steggo 2-3 croc 5-6 LMAO

[viscid mica]

Real

[toxic jasper]

what a balance

[alpine sleet]

youre arguing about it not being realistic again yet we told you they are willing to sacrifice realism in exchange for balance

[viscid mica]

YES CUZ DEINO ISNT A LAND BRAWLER

[toxic jasper]

bro he grabs them

[viscid mica]

“My Dino isn’t super op nerf everything else plz”

[toxic jasper]

no just steggo

maybe dino

[iron tree]

stego*

[slim dragon]

Deino is perfectly adapted for killing everything 4 tons and under without giving them the slightest chance at survival
Stego is perfectly adapted at dealing with threats its own size or even larger; Nothing wrong's happening here

[toxic jasper]

not if its drinking what are yall smoking

[viscid mica]

suffer, stegos are meant to brawl land apex’s not silly water ambush apex

[slim dragon]

Outside of your hunting range

[toxic jasper]

your on sum if drinking dinos are out of croc range

[slim dragon]

If an elephant is drinking, a croc isn't gonna drag it under
YEah crocs sometimes rip their trunks off, I know that happens. That's not predation though

[viscid mica]

We are smoking balancing you are smoking “deino not most op nerf everything else” bro wait till trike is fully released your in for a world of hurt

[alpine sleet]

why should you, as a water dinosaur who cant be killed unless it exposes itself to the land, be allowed to solo a 6 tons creature on land when you can 1 shot animals 50% your size?

[slim dragon]

If they're big, they are

[toxic jasper]

get smart about drinking

[viscid mica]

Realistically a deino wouldn’t be able to really grab a dibble face to face cuz thiccc ah head + HORN TO THE EYE

[toxic jasper]

naw steggos at 100 vs 100 croc 100% always a loss

[viscid mica]

[slim dragon]

Yes because stego is too big

[viscid mica]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1342574395339706430/togif.gif

[iron tree]

deino can grab swimming stegos

[toxic jasper]

your not smart im done talking to you look up a 50ft crocs bite force

[viscid mica]

“Semi realistic”

[iron tree]

yet you call an Alligatorid a crocodile

[slim dragon]

You can't be taken seriously when you use feet as a measurement unit

[viscid mica]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1342574395339706430/togif.gif

Bro isn’t real

Anyways chat how everyone vibing with trike current half done kit?

[toxic jasper]

listen this games gonna die is all im saying is if all this game is is me running around 2 shotting the biggest predators

thats not a game

[slim dragon]

You stopping to play doesn't mean the game will die, it's actually doing fine
The finest it's ever done even

[iron tree]

if you let the 6t herbivore hit you it's totally your fault

[viscid mica]

Games average player are actually going up we hit a new peak

[iron tree]

git gud. skill issue.

[toxic jasper]

summit and XQC is why this game has life atm

[viscid mica]

[toxic jasper]

you guys are not listening to them at all

[slim dragon]

If only the average skill was going up as much as the player count

[viscid mica]

Yes because Rex and trike aren’t in HT rn

[toxic jasper]

so

[iron tree]

Tyrannosaurus rex, Triceratops and Allosaurus.

[viscid mica]

The 2 most popular Dino’s in the apex community

[viscid mica]

REAL

[slim dragon]

Just because someone is popular doesn't mean they have good takes

[toxic jasper]

no you have real skilled players joining now that want fair pvp not people just playing stego and 2 shotting were not all rpers like you losers lmao

[stark knoll]

Summit is NOT skilled at this game

[slim dragon]

wow

[toxic jasper]

hes a skilled Pvper who sees issues

[viscid mica]

@final sierra grow a stego on HT when Rex drops and tell me it does too much damage

[alpine sleet]

you should try to play pot, ti isnt a battle royale with classes who are equally strong, im not trying to be mean but maybe you are looking for a fighting game

[slim dragon]

Says the person who plays the dino who oneshots 90% of the roster

[toxic jasper]

wheres the rex

[toxic jasper]

i play hera

[viscid mica]

AHAHAHA he is brand new lmao calling him “skilled” is insulting to the over 1k hour players who grind this game

[slim dragon]

So where does your complaint about deino dying to stego comes from ? Watching XQC's videos ?

[iron tree]

oH mY gOd sTeGosAuRuS kIlLeD mE. tOo Op

[toxic jasper]

no watching the comminity fight as hera

[viscid mica]

Nothing is the same weight class as stego yet

Of course stego will stomp

[iron tree]

there is a solution to the "stegosaurus problem"

[toxic jasper]

all the fights are ceras trying to figure out of it can fight a stego then it cant so it leaves

[final sierra]

The damage checks on Stego swing is too much. It’s too RNG to fight against due to things out of both players control and it needs to be fixed.

[slim dragon]

Should it ?

[viscid mica]

Nothing RNG beyond your own ping. It’s all skill if you can’t handle it don’t fight it

[toxic jasper]

hell no its op af

[iron tree]

Do NOT fight the large herbivore

Stego is not op 😭

[viscid mica]

How many hours you got btw?

[toxic jasper]

just like if a stego went to drink and it sees a croc it should not drink... but it does

[iron tree]

Apexes shouldn't worry too much about Deinosuchus

[viscid mica]

And stego is only a apex in name XD

Deino can still grab stego if they swim lol

[slim dragon]

Again, the game's rule is simple
Deino oneshots everything 4tons and under
Stego isn't under 4 tons, so it's safe from that rule
Because if it wasn't safe then deino would be by FAR the most annoying and oppressive thing on the roster

In fact it already is, but to a manageable extent

[viscid mica]

Na na na he wants hyper realism

[slim dragon]

I don't get how players get to pick a dino that leaves NO CHANCE against anything EXCEPT stego and still want more killing power

[toxic jasper]

ok just so i understand everyone is ok with when someone gets to 100% steggo it never dies

[alpine sleet]

you are arguing from a balancing perspective, but he doesnt seem to show interest in that

[slim dragon]

Not to a lone deino

[final sierra]

I’m my opinion, Deino isn’t a land predator, so, it only makes sense that other large animals would want to crush the thing

[iron tree]

that is wrong.

[viscid mica]

It does I kill them as omni or dilo or cera all the time ahem SKILL ISSUE

[iron tree]

Dibble mauls stegos

[final sierra]

In real life Hippos and elephants stomp on Crocodiles all the time

[toxic jasper]

you 1v1 it?

[final sierra]

I don’t get why people complain about losing a land fight with a deino

[viscid mica]

He’ll no nothing is it it’s weight class to 1v1 at this time

[slim dragon]

Also, nothing in this game has nothing to fear, as there's still in-species fighting

[toxic jasper]

your braindead

[toxic jasper]

lmao your also braindead

[slim dragon]

In fact, I'd say deino is the safest in the roster since it has only other deinos to fear

[final sierra]

Excuse me?

[viscid mica]

Everything is barely 1/6th its weight we need bigger carnis stego was released to early

[iron tree]

Stego has a horrible matchup against armoured opponents

[stark knoll]

@toxic jasper No more of the insults, please

[viscid mica]

You never answered how many hours you have

[toxic jasper]

braindead

[alpine sleet]

imo it should die to diablos, triceratops, rex, allos, and omnis, just not against a deino

[iron tree]

I beg to differ

[slim dragon]

Argument it's over, he's on repeat mode now

He glitched out

[toxic jasper]

bro i have had a 100% stego for over a week i just go hunt carnos like XD

[iron tree]

you insult us and ignore our valid arguments

[final sierra]

It’s a semi aquatic ambush hunter, it’s not meant to chase after giant herbivores on land

[iron tree]

I highly doubt that

[toxic jasper]

who is talking about croc rn im talking about stego i used it as a example

[iron tree]

carno is faster than stego...way...way...way faster

[slim dragon]

You were lol

[final sierra]

You called me brain dead when I wasn’t talking to you, so, I elaborated on my opinion

[slim dragon]

source ?

[toxic jasper]

why is preditor prey ?

to plant eater

[alpine sleet]

cause it was added too early, has no actual predators except for diablos, if they are still this good after they add allos, triceratops and rex then you are right

[viscid mica]

They aren’t

[slim dragon]

Ah right, the eat grass and [FILL THE BLANK] take
I was waiting for it

[toxic jasper]

for me they are

[toxic jasper]

you dont say

[final sierra]

I agree, it was added too early

[viscid mica]

YOU CAN SIMPLY CHOOSE NOT TO FIGHT THE STEGO

[slim dragon]

If you can't kill them, then they aren't your prey. It's simple as that.

[alpine sleet]

yes i do 😛

[viscid mica]

[toxic jasper]

or just be one and legit go kill anything you see for memes

[viscid mica]

Herbis are slower than carnis you can legit choose what too and not too fight and deino can hide in water bruh

[toxic jasper]

stam?

[viscid mica]

You should play HT when Rex drops I’m certain you’ll love Rex

[iron tree]

trust me bro

[slim dragon]

Herbis have limited stamina too

[viscid mica]

They have same stam as you if you manage yours well you’ll be fine

[slim dragon]

ok I believe you

[toxic jasper]

smart guy over here

[toxic jasper]

or get 2 shot so prolly not

[slim dragon]

I wish I could say the same

[iron tree]

also

Diabloceratops slams stegos

[viscid mica]

Then don’t fight them!?

[iron tree]

or that

the isle is a hardcore survival game

[toxic jasper]

so were ok with me running around just death squading around with this stego then just killing anyone i see

no issues seen there

a plant eater

[iron tree]

streamers treat this game like a PvP game

[alpine sleet]

but what if im a deino on a desert with no water around and 0% stamina? a stego could kill me so nerf it

[iron tree]

I mean you won't kill much

[slim dragon]

of course, if people die to a stego it's on them for not walking away

[toxic jasper]

at 12 100% ceras and over 12 raptors on this solo stego

[iron tree]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-path-of-titans-beasts-of-bermuda-kaperoo-herbivores-gif-25300505

[slim dragon]

Kind of a rulebreak my dude

[viscid mica]

YOU CAN AVOID THEM

[alpine sleet]

delete before they see it

[toxic jasper]

YOU CAN FIX THE GAME

[hollow topaz]

[slim dragon]

There is nothing to fix

[iron tree]

then they were stupid enough to fight you and deserved their fate

[toxic jasper]

you guys are all RPers lmao

dont fight thats mean lmao

[final sierra]

You’re missing the point. No playable should be untouchable by any means and if it might be overtuned then it needs change

[viscid mica]

FIX WHAT

[slim dragon]

It's just... common sense ?

Like, you're playing a carnivore, you want to hunt things, see a 6-ton behemoth with spikes on its tail. You try to hunt it. You die, obviously.

Now you know you do NOT mess with the 6-ton behemoth with spikes on its tail, that's how learning in games works

[toxic jasper]

stego being the most god teir thing ive ever seen in gaming

[final sierra]

Otherwise, what’s the point of playing as a Stego if nothing can kill you?

[viscid mica]

Yes stego was released to early with nothing to 1v1 it but it’s CERTAINLY not untouchable

[slim dragon]

The point is, a lot of things can kill stego

[viscid mica]

Get a good group and anything is in your hunting range

[toxic jasper]

yes it is this guys just 1 IQ

[iron tree]

nah we just try to survive in a survival game

[slim dragon]

If stego is OP because of being "unkillable" then take a look at deino and tell me how much it needs to be nerfed

[iron tree]

If stego is unkillable

[toxic jasper]

right so survive me running at you with my 100% stego right

[slim dragon]

Or like
Ptera even

[iron tree]

why can I just play my main and stun lock them to death

[viscid mica]

Maybe your just I dunno not good at hunting them?

[iron tree]

w + shift :)

[toxic jasper]

trash players

[viscid mica]

I’ve killed plenty of stego as any except I think 1? Of the carnis

[toxic jasper]

trash players

[viscid mica]

It’s really a skill issue in this chat rn

[viscid mica]

Yes glad you realized that

[slim dragon]

Back on repeat mode

[final sierra]

Deino doesn’t need any nerfs. Maybe to it’s stamina regeneration underwater but for the most part it’s alright

[toxic jasper]

right me on 20+ kill spree is skill

[slim dragon]

Dude you should check your human simulator algorithm, it's buggy as hell

[viscid mica]

As deino? HA

[toxic jasper]

on 100%ers

no steggo ha

[viscid mica]

How many hours you got? Your still dodging this question

[toxic jasper]

what does that matter though what you gotta be a loser to have an opinion

[alpine sleet]

no, that wasnt the point, the point is that if stego should be nerfed due to being unkillable then they should also nerf deino, cause its more unkillable than stego

[viscid mica]

I can already tell it’s maybe 1-200 range

[viscid mica]

Maybe you gotta actually have experience to know what your talking about instead of 1 tricking 1 thing

[toxic jasper]

listen man not eveyone no lifes a rp dino game

[iron tree]

surely

[toxic jasper]

right right i do

[final sierra]

Stego isn’t unkillable by any means, it’s overtuned

[stark knoll]

Alright, I think it's time this conversation ended

[viscid mica]

[alpine sleet]

he said unkillable

[final sierra]

Damage area and damage checks for Stego swings are broken. Diablo running lmb attack is also kind of broken. I don’t know why adding multiple damage checks for one attack, with their delay, would be a good idea, especially with how damage is detected in this game

[toxic jasper]

ok at a 20+kill with 1 stego like theyve already tested stego will beat any carno in the game 1v1 its already proven go to youtube

for anyone saying its not

[viscid mica]

Not really cuz it’s built for land apex’s which there are none YET

[toxic jasper]

its non arguable at this point with the amount of streamers and youtubers making clips on it

just do research

[viscid mica]

I mean carno kit is for hunting stuff smaller than it so that makes sense?

[iron tree]

streamers play Ceratosaurus and try to kill apexes and complain about balance

[alpine sleet]

so a carno should solo a stego

[toxic jasper]

theres nothing standing in your way but your own error

[toxic jasper]

100000000000000%

[alpine sleet]

lmao

[toxic jasper]

no doubt

[viscid mica]

Aight aight chat let’s ignore and move on before super beats us with a stick

[toxic jasper]

should run it out of stam much faster

[toxic jasper]

no its the games major issue atm that needs to be fixed why move on

[iron tree]

Yeah I like being able to chat

[slim dragon]

It's a true eat grass and [REDACTED] moment
I am immensely happy that you provided me with such power

Now I'm going to be on my way before Lunary runs out of patience, thank you again dear stranger

[iron tree]

I don't wanna get muted

[viscid mica]

Because we where told too sense it’s getting toxic as we all clearly disagree with you

[toxic jasper]

get out of balance chat then loser

[iron tree]

https://tenor.com/view/fast-nod-gif-21426973

[toxic jasper]

lmao your wrong is why your mad bro

[alpine sleet]

you are the one who came to balance and tried arguing for realism

[stark knoll]

We're done here

[viscid mica]

Ngl trike sparing im interested to see how it moves compared to dibble

[iron tree]

I hope trike will get some adjustments

it's just dibble but big atm

[slim dragon]

I actually never considered the fact it may be different

[alpine sleet]

id be glad if he can keep facing a cera, not as good as a diablo but decent to not getting tail rided

[viscid mica]

I don’t mind it it’s pretty solid just some minor stuff

[viscid mica]

I mean trike is way heavier I doubt it’ll be as bounce and nimble as dibble

[viscid mica]

Reasonable

[slim dragon]

Well yeah, speed differences are obvious
But maybe it's gonna be different on another level
I assume it'll have different attacks tho

[viscid mica]

Obviously

Far Chunkier

[alpine sleet]

i guess triceratops vs triceratops will be a way more "in place" fight compared to diablos, like they can go around dodging and charging the other

[iron tree]

instead of cc it should get impaling attacks

just a reminder for every Omni player

[slim dragon]

No, they'll go mad

[iron tree]

do NOT...I repeat...do NOT run from a carno in a straight line

It is a VERY bad idea

Anyway. I enjoyed my S diet

[slim dragon]

Everytime I hear omni balance mentioned now I see the video of carno ambushing an omni pack flashing before my eyes

[iron tree]

Me when a successful ambush can be lethal

[slim dragon]

You know the video I'm talking about right ? With the omni spam jumping to try to get out of the way

[iron tree]

I love this skin

[iron tree]

OH YEAH THAT ONE

[slim dragon]

It's embedded in my brain now, I can't unsee it
Everytime omni and balance appear in the same sentence I see it

[slim dragon]

dirt

[iron tree]

not dirt

she grey

[slim dragon]

gravel

[elfin night]

Looks very cool

[iron tree]

thanks

[elfin night]

@fervent orchid haven’t you considered that maybe nothing in the live branch roster atm is really meant to deal with an adult stegosaurus

Its not really a coincidence that only really dibble groups stand a chance when dibble is one of the closest things we’re getting in the roster that gets to pseudo apex without really being that in terms of combat performance

Ceras are not meant to go for a stego, and omnis and dilos have a hard time too especially if the steg is good

[iron tree]

eh

[elfin night]

And that’s okay

[iron tree]

Good dibbles can kill one solo

[elfin night]

Yeah but if the stego is bad or it doesn’t parry their rams

But it’s pretty tough if the stego is decent

[iron tree]

indeed

2 dibbles are a death sentence though

[viscid mica]

Ye

[viscid mica]

Oooo

[alpine sleet]

imo its was added too early, i think its just made to be great against pack hunters but bad against larger predators, it has both flanks protected

[iron tree]

the community wanted it

[slim dragon]

It was supposed to be added as AI only, but it ended up being easy to make a functional playable and harder as a functional AI

[elfin night]

Its not just your opinion. It is everyone else’s right after it was added. But hey, at least we got a functional playable in a time where evrima was super barebones

So that’s something

And to be fair it doesn’t matter anymore with Rex and Allo so close

[slim dragon]

Allo players will realize they can't 1v1 a stego and complain

Or maybe allo will be able to
But there's still people who are gonna take a thagomizer to the head and complain

[elfin night]

Its gonna be hilarious

I can’t wait for Rex and Allo complaints when it is a S tier carnivore and they can’t steamroll a stego

[slim dragon]

It's gonna be even worse than it is now with cera and deino players, because a lot of new players will get this game when allo is added, and they're gonna be completely clueless

[elfin night]

A lot of players seem to have entered the game recently

But yeah there’s gonna be more clueless players with Rex and Allo

And that in case they manage to reach adulthood

[slim dragon]

They won't
They're gonna try to kill a stego with their fresh-spawned rex and not understand why they got killed

[elfin night]

Lmao

I know some will

Or they will get beaten up by a teno and be surprised that they died

[slim dragon]

damn grass eaters

[elfin night]

“Why didn’t it start running. I am a T-rex!!!”

After getting tossed to the ground with a tail slam and kicked to death

Man I am very excited for Rex. After they butchered dilo and carno took a while to reach a state where I like playing it, I really wish that rex is a skillful ambush hunter that is designed for players with any semblance of awareness and strategy

[slim dragon]

I hope it will be, because the only other alternative I can imagine is stupid power fantasy which mows down every other playable

[elfin night]

At least it will be better than deino for sure because juveniles and subs are confirmed to be viable vs cannibal adults and they are not going to be confined to a minuscule fraction of the map

I really hope it’s good

Which is hilarious because I barely ever played Rex in legacy

But since they massacred dilo and Allo looks like bigger Omni…

Don’t have many other options in the carnivore roster

[slim dragon]

When it comes to carnivores, I'm mostly looking forward for things such as austro and bary
Possibly alberto, depending on how it comes out

I really hope alberto is like playing Dark Souls with a full strength build

Something stupid strong, but which requires extra careful stamina management and perfect timing

[elfin night]

oh yeah those too

tbh I'm looking forward to more herbivores and carnivores, but I like unique carnivores that also take some semblance of skill to use even on a basic level

such as carno or herra rn, although herra is mostly high ceiling rather than high floor

[slim dragon]

or titanoboa

[elfin night]

like I want carnivores to be hard and also in an interesting way

[slim dragon]

Please fall for the bait

[elfin night]

for example deino just feels artificially difficult as a solo player

[elfin night]

abysmal

[slim dragon]

thanks

[elfin night]

I cannot put to words how much I hate deinosuchus rn, I'd rather play current legacy austro

or velo

[edgy crow]

The MEGALANIA is gonna be so good

[elfin night]

it's such a weird combination of unfairly hard because you have zero chance to escape larger crocs and you don't get large until you have been alive on perfect diet for almost 5 hours, and you also have zero agency reaching for your prey, so if no one comes to drink at delta you are done, and you can't go to sp because the local 3 crocs will gang up on you

And then it is extremely easy to use by having all of the stealth instantly removed since you make no noise in the water and there's types of water where you cannot see what's lurking until it is a foot below the surface. And after that? one button press and done

very mechanically easy and unskilled while also a 6-7 hour long gamble

actual trash and it was somehow worse in Spiro

[elfin night]

Will have to wait and see but hopefully it has to rely on its ability to cover basically any terrain in order to survive certain matchups

[edgy crow]

I need

[elfin night]

I need cheirus

beipisuchus but 9 tons

ava could be fun to invade burrows

[slim dragon]

There should be some sort of lunge minigame to make it more flexible
But it's not that easy to design
A plain stamina battle would be lame

[elfin night]

the megalania as soon as it tries to enter an ava burrow

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-astronaut-monkey-earth-toss-gif-12865170

[elfin night]

agreed

[slim dragon]

I once thought of making it kinda like fishing minigames in some games
When the fish (lunged dino) pulls in one direction, you (the deino) need to push in the opposite direction or the line breaks (its stamina starts depleting super fast)

But I don't know how that would work out in-game

[haughty grotto]

@topaz elm your suggestion doesn't exactly make sense in terms of deino gameplay
An exhausted animal with no stam will just sink and drown

[topaz elm]

an exhausted animal still has an oxygen pool and can swim to shore
for example maia has about a minutes worth of oxygen because it has huge lungs

Something like trike or rex has much bigger lungs and simply swim to shore before drowning

this is just so deino, as the opportunistic ambush drowner, can take this rare opportunity (an exhausted apex in water) to drown them

[haughty grotto]

i feel like thats still too rare a circumstance
rivers in the game arent wide enough to have an apex reach zero stam when crossing
a multi deino grab would make more sense

[topaz elm]

i mean im cool with a deino multi grab

they also stated they want deino to deal with/prey on the mid tier roster the best, making apexes a super rare occasion adds an element of almost fiction to it

[elfin night]

So basically the current deino in terms of grabbing

I don’t play deino but I was told weight is halved in the water, so that means deino is still able to theoretically grab a trike that has almost hit full adult if it catches it swimming 💀

Like a little less than 8 tons right?

[cosmic pelican]

Max deino can grab, even in the water, is 6T

So like a 40% grown trike probably lmao

[elfin night]

Insane

[final sierra]

Trike weighs 9.5 Tons at FG

[iron tree]

Maia yeah but trike and dibble aren't nearly as fast as teno and cera

[worthy steeple]

they are😭

well idk about the dibble, it’s just fast.

but the trike is genuinely teno speed or faster

[iron tree]

Dibble isn't that fast in the water

And well idk about trike lmao. I never left the woods

[cosmic pelican]

Trike swims exactly as fast as teno does iirc

And it has decent swimming stam too

[worthy steeple]

triceratops (semi-aquatic niche)

trike using superior swimming speed to escape rexes sounds fine to me tbh..

i hope they will swap maia and teno swimming speeds one day

that would be swag

[broken light]

what balance tweaks have been made to the Carno on HT?

[steep gazelle]

More resistance to bleeding, less growth time (equal to Cerato, 2h05min with 100% diet) and less stam consumption in normal running

[worthy steeple]

it can charge longer as well

[broken light]

ty didnt see that in the notes, any Cera nerfs?

[steep gazelle]

no

[broken light]

[steep gazelle]

Devs love Cerato, don't expect a nerf to their darling. Even though the whole community is asking for it, they don't even care xd

the whole community asking for a buff on Troodon and they go there and do what? They put 2 nerfs on him

[crimson crater]

devs have nerfed cerato multiple times

[steep gazelle]

in spiro yes, in gateway the only time was when they made his vomit completely broken

and the cerato in the gateway is much better than the spiro, mainly because you can miss your charged bite without any consequences

[crimson crater]

they didn’t just nerf that

[broken light]

wish they were more brave with Mutations that had strong negatives to go along with the positives, so your mutations were more about what your willing to trade off to gain a larger than current advantage

create a vulnerability to push an advantage

[steep gazelle]

Well, they made it worse, but it would be better to leave it as it was before. Making any smaller dino vomit with 1 bite is stupid.

[broken light]

IOW Gigantism +to size weight and bite force - to Fall damage top stam usage and handling

[steep gazelle]

and well, when the mutations arrived and cerato was the only one who had his rmb ability affected by the damage mutations, it only got worse xd

[broken light]

if gasto came with a strong negative it might be fine

Gastro with a bleed resist debuff might be an example

[steep gazelle]

mutations such as gastro, photo, nocturnal, prey drave, hemomania and hypermetabolic completely break the game, they should be removed, but I highly doubt they will, because the devs rarely go back when they make a change or addition

[hasty coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/baldur's-gate-baldur's-gate-3-withers-no-noo-gif-6455368871201756432

[broken light]

I hear your lack of insight and creativity and raise you one Trex sized Hypsi as my argument, Good day sir!

[ashen plank]

pteradon should have increased stam regen

i'd gladly trade a little stamina overall for that

[broken light]

not if you learn to fly it correctly

[ashen plank]

ive been targeting babies and been doing alot of landing and taking off

[broken light]

can get half way across the isle on one stam charge, thats not counting the slip streams and thermals in horde testing

[ashen plank]

yea so my point was give it less overall stam

lil regen in exchange would help it be more carnivore like

[broken light]

reality is its more about fish and scavenging not really suposed to attack anything bigger than tiny tiers

quetz will be for that

[mystic ember]

What happened with my boi troodon? Why the massive nerf on something that needed a buff?

[keen plover]

I love pin 🔥

[edgy crow]

If the models are separated like this then the pin should instantly cancel

[keen plover]

i literally waited until i was just 175kg LMAO

ticked from 172 to 175 and it was over for that guy

[keen plover]

yeah 100%

[edgy crow]

Omni is just so jank

[steep gazelle]

These nerfs to Troodon are like kicking an already dead animal xd

It seems like the devs don't want there to be troodon players to do these nerfs lol

[carmine tundra]

always love to see herras suffer, inbred iguanas ngl

[crimson crater]

the pin threshold should be looked at

[solid wyvern]

#balance-feedback message @steep gazelle. Hemomania - the most broken ability allowing to do whopping +5% damage to something bleeding. Unbelievably strong and broken

Idk why some morrons can't just left hemomania alone. It's balanced damage ability with very mid bonus

Also dude didn't even mentioned gastronomic regen and tactile endurance which are real most broken muts

[slim dragon]

Omniraptor is balanced already, no need to make it OP

[edgy crow]

omni needs nerfs

[slim dragon]

Disabling sprinting when being pounced is already a thing, also you lose your blood much faster when sprinting already

[slim dragon]

Only a weight nerf

[edgy crow]

this is silly

you want it to straight up not take any stam when running?

[dusky surge]

no what he said but i agree its a bad suggestion lol

he wants it to take no stam to swap pounce slots

also his third suggestion is already mostly in the game

[edgy crow]

ah

[edgy crow]

like

being completely unable to run while pounced???

the

what

[dusky surge]

yea thats insane

[edgy crow]

this is the future troo players want /j

[elfin night]

Tbh that’s gonna hurt with apexes and big numbers

[solid wyvern]

Rather would be better just make pounce costing charge bars instead of stamina (only for initial jump once you latched - stamina will deplete as usual). That will both buff and nerf pounce.

[edgy crow]

all damage muts are bad

kill them all

[elfin night]

Agreed, especially when you can play servers like the one I found yesterday where values can be changed

20% accelerated prey drive, 25% hypermetabolic and 15% hemomania on a cera. Perfectly balanced

[solid wyvern]

it might do some value but opposing player can make value by other muts to counter the fact that you do 5% more damage

[solid wyvern]

You really overstimating hemomania. It can easily be countered by any survival oriented build

[elfin night]

1. Why? It’s a movement that allows you to stay for longer on someone’s back to avoid obstacles or even prevent yourself from getting swatted away by one of their buddies, and also makes grapple easier. Oh, and it completely counters hostage tech unless the target is in the mud

2. It already slows down targets based on relative weight and passively drains their stamina. Absolutely clueless to think it is fine and balanced to make it so that an omni can just run up to a carno and disallow it from running so that the grapple is easier or it has to take all of the bleed that will kill it.

3. And bleed already works more or less the same way since your blood decay is so much slower when still or sitting than running and it needs to fully slow down and stop in order to start healing, which will be harder if one keeps running.

Clueless buff Omni request number 9017199230

Please, stop

Just fix omni jank and it will be much better if not leaning towards the stronger side

It doesn’t need buffs, not event to the bite speed because even if you made it bite like herra or dilo, it would have very limited uses

[solid wyvern]

Like you can just stack all regeneration bonus abilities (not gastro) + cogenital hyperlargesa. End. Enemy want have any advantage over you anymore

[elfin night]

Giga with hemomania

Or even allo

[solid wyvern]

Perfect. Will make sense.

[edgy crow]

The way to buff Omni is to fix latency

[solid wyvern]

Anyway this mut is static

[elfin night]

Yup, no more cheap deaths to anyone’s side. No pinning from a mile away and also omni pounce works when it should

[elfin night]

True

So a rex could use it since it is percentage based

5% damage of 800 damage (just throwing a number) is a significant addition

[solid wyvern]

Yeah he could. If will make it to adult. Also I suspect that Rex might have strong regen like in Legacy

So cellular regen might be viable pick for rex

[elfin night]

If rex doesn’t get good regen its solidness might be compromised

Since it needs health regen a lot more than other apexes such as deino which is an ambush hunter

[solid wyvern]

Well rex also will be an ambush predator

Just more leaning towards being strong brawler

While gator is more about yoinking someone

[elfin night]

The type of ambush matters

[solid wyvern]

I know it might sound controversial but will be funny if Hemomania will reworked to do small stamina cashback eachtime you bite bleeding target. Legit piranha mode.

[elfin night]

Rex might risk sparring with a trike and getting hit by the horns

Deino is pressing one button and they can’t do anything about it

[dusky surge]

isnt this just another tactical endurance

[mint star]

can you transcribe this video to me it just aint loading
#balance-feedback message

[solid wyvern]

Yes, kinda. But it atleast sounds as logical ability that carnivore gets courage after tasting blood

[elfin night]

@knotty stratus how did you even get caught by them in the first place??

[dusky surge]

maia gets stunlocked by a trike

[mint star]

its like a 4k ultra HD 4 gigabyte sized video for me

[edgy crow]

Tactile endurance is also logical

Herbi gets adrenaline after being attacked

[dusky surge]

^

[knotty stratus]

does it matter really?

[dusky surge]

doesn't make it good or balanced

[elfin night]

but game design...

[knotty stratus]

lol

[elfin night]

yeah, if you were caught by a deino there is not much you can do after that. You expect getting ambushed and charged by 3 sub trikes and still manage to shrug them off?

I agree it sucks

[solid wyvern]

Tbf tactile endurance can be just nerfed to not scale with damage and give static small amount of stam

[elfin night]

but it is what it is. sometimes we make mistakes

unless there was a speedhacker or a hitbox one, that death was 100% preventable

[solid wyvern]

Stamina scale from damage on taticle endurance is really just silly big and shouldn't exist at all. Static number will be better

[keen plover]

Trike can do it to stegos and other trikes. It's horrible. It isn't fun being locked in a knockdown loop.

Also same thing happens to diablo lol

[elfin night]

unless you cannot confront or evade them, it is largely fine

just like an omni pinning a galli

[keen plover]

It's an issue with the knockdown/stagger immunity. Creatures with longer knockdown animations are pretty much dead lol

[solid wyvern]

Also guys which really voting to remove some muts don't understand that palyer should have to choose from something. Lowering variety doesn't help to gameplay. Instead chaging and reworking - thats the way

[keen plover]

It isn't like pin at all

I'm sorry but losing a fg stego, trike or maia after being knocked once is dumb.

[edgy crow]

Finally you know the pain carnos feel on a daily basis

[knotty stratus]

lets do the same with ceras fighting dibbles right just stun lock dont let it get up if you get ambushed

[keen plover]

I HATE IT ON CARNO.

[elfin night]

perhaps something could be done about it especially with other trikes and stegs

since they dont have the tools to escape

[edgy crow]

With all due respects it's a trike. Stego and other trikes, sure, but a Maia should definitely die from a single trike knockdown.

[elfin night]

but for example a maia or a para? Don't see why it couldnt be the case for an adult trike to simply toss them around

[keen plover]

Sure if it's damage wise? But not like that

[elfin night]

so it would be fine if it was just damage per se rather than continuous stunlock?

[edgy crow]

Para nah, it should be big enough to live a trike attack (on half health or less, but still)

[elfin night]

depends on how large they make it. 6-7 ton para should survive. 4-5 survivability is arguable to me

[knotty stratus]

yes but trike doesnt have that much damage to kill a maia in a single knockdown yet..

its just abusing the stunloop

[keen plover]

Yeah

At least then smaller trikes couldn't murder you via the same tactic

[elfin night]

Those are practically the same, it’s just that one is the other with extra steps

[keen plover]

A similar size trike to maia can loop it for a good while

[edgy crow]

4-5 tonne para is silly, stupid and would make no sense

7 tonne para

[elfin night]

Yet Maia isn’t built to immediately disengage after getting knocked over by a ceratopsian that can be well over twice its size

At max

And at least 3.5 tons but honestly you could maybe escape that one. Would be hard but it’s doable after 2-3 shoves

[keen plover]

A 4t trike in theory could knock your maia over and never let you get back up 😭 I don't get how this is even an argument

[knotty stratus]

Im sorry but you dont know what you are talking about lol

Its a game dude lol

[tropic horizon]

Diablo stunlocking carno

[regal valve]

Simply remove stunlocking lol

[elfin night]

And I am only accounting for game design, not realism. Maia has the tools to infinitely outpace a trike and keep its distance

You getting caught by them is entirely on you

[knotty stratus]

alright buddy you do that in your game but i know community will not support what you want

[elfin night]

And what do you even suggest to improve this? Greatly increase maia acceleration? Because faster knockdown recovery isn’t really gonna fix much

[knotty stratus]

stunlocking shouldnt exist at all

[elfin night]

Propose a solution instead of pure malding, with due respect

[tropic horizon]

Carno op

[elfin night]

Because QA also needs solutions to be proposed in order to do anything about balancing feedback

[tropic horizon]

Plz nerf doind

[regal valve]

some seconds of immunity to stuns after getting stunned can work

nothing crazy, but at least 5 seconds should work

[elfin night]

Maybe it could do the trick

Although I can foresee many maias would still die and get stunlocked anyway

Even with that generous time

But hey, better than nothing

Mostly saying also because Maia’s kit doesn’t really allow for quick disengagement after getting caught or hit by cc

Since acceleration is quite slow on bipedal (and almost every Maia player I see is mostly on bipedal instead of quad lol) and maybe they can catch up to you or force you to turn around and waste time if they get in front of you, knocking over again

[edgy crow]

(they do not know about the instant biped acceleration trick)

[elfin night]

Even with 5 seconds of immunity (which is arguably a bit exaggerated), maia might as well just struggle escaping good trikes with spar

[elfin night]

Exactly why I am always in quad, also cuz quad combat in case I’m ambushed and I have to fight

Quad maia gang

[edgy crow]

Quad Maia walking also is aesthetically better

Maia looks so front heavy when walking bipedally

[elfin night]

True

[tropic horizon]

It feels so awkward to trot in biped I almost never do

[elfin night]

Anyways, just saying that this might be a hard fix with animals like maia specifically with how it is built

With that acceleration, static turning and recovery animation, many maias are still gonna get stunlocked to death

And to some extent it is warranted if you get caught by a damn trike

[edgy crow]

A critter slower than a stego

[elfin night]

Real

You can likely outpace it in quad by trotting away and sprinting when they get close

And trike does a lot of noise

[tropic horizon]

Yeah if you get caught you deserve to get got.

To me anyways, though you shouldn’t be stunlocked by little subs like that.

[elfin night]

You guys think that anky isn’t gonna do the same to an dibble or small trike by just breaking their leg and catching up to them?

It’s gonna the same, but it will be on the player to get caught in that situation

It’s a drawn out and agonizing death, yes

But still fair, as fair as if a trike just knocked you over and killed you in a couple blows

[tropic horizon]

If a full grown trike catches you as a maia you kinda deserve what’s coming to you.

[edgy crow]

Oh man ank

Ank is gonna be interesting

I expect it to have essentially the highest hp in the game, even higher than that of a brachi

(due to armour and such)

[elfin night]

90% damage reduction from above

[elfin night]

Indeed

Let alone a group of fresh adults

[tropic horizon]

It’s like if a shant caught you as an alberto

[edgy crow]

Maybe, when it's knocked down, it's tipped on its belly, and you can do like 2x or even 3x damage

[elfin night]

Yeah

[tropic horizon]

Honestly fair, though the knockdown should take a great long while to achieve.

[elfin night]

Or rn like when a cera is caught by multiple dibbles. It’s dead after one knockdown or it will get shoved again as it tries to run and will die seconds after

[tropic horizon]

It shouldn’t just be a flip like in spinos concept art.

[edgy crow]

Should require draining it's stam

Then attacks like Rex's headbutt would be able to flip it

[tropic horizon]

Yeah that’s how I see it dying

Like it’s slowly exhausted till it can’t fight back

[elfin night]

Would be epic

[tropic horizon]

I hope ank can send things flying like stego

[elfin night]

Just remove tactile and we’re golden

[edgy crow]

Tactile Anky

[tropic horizon]

Can’t wait to hear the hit impact sounds we get from ank

[elfin night]

never get baited, never die

Just standing there looking at a rex

[edgy crow]

[tropic horizon]

It just sits in front of the rex like it does to the acros

[elfin night]

And then breaks its jaw after it has been bitten for a while

Ngl anky with fracture is gonna be nasty if I get an ambush with it

I already ambush people as dibble and stego

Imagine drinking peacefully and suddenly an anky runs out of the water like a deino and breaks your leg

[solid wyvern]

You forgot that shant will exist too so 7 tonne para is too much

5.6 t would be perfect

[regal valve]

Bro Shant will be 10+ tons

7 tons Para seems perfect

[slim dragon]

Yeah they won't overlap

[elfin night]

Bro

Shant is 15-19

7 ton para is fine

[solid wyvern]

I doubt that they will make it weight like sauropod

[elfin night]

I think it’s perfectly feasible

As long as cama is better equipped for defending itself, I really don’t see why Shant couldn’t be twice the size of an adult deino

[slim dragon]

Weighing as much as a sauropod is kinda the point of shant

[regal valve]

Reasonably sized Shant compared to a Camara

[solid wyvern]

Oh... Well. Yeah thats big. But I don't particullary see a reason for para being 7 tons

[elfin night]

This thing is enormous. I believe it would be fine even if you made para larger than a stego

[elfin night]

Avoiding overlap with maia and also having something to bridge the mid tiers and the apexes

[solid wyvern]

I mean 5 tons is already bridge point betwen mid and apex tier

[elfin night]

6-7 is better then

Considering that we don’t have much in that bracket

[solid wyvern]

Acro

[elfin night]

And maia is 4 tons

[elfin night]

Acro, stego and potentially theri, that’s it

[solid wyvern]

Isn't it slighlty smaller than 4?

[elfin night]

If we don’t count para

[elfin night]

200 kilograms is a negligible difference. Don’t think it is unreasonable to round up like that

[solid wyvern]

Pachyrhinosaurus also. Even tho it's fate very vague for now

[elfin night]

Hence why I ignored it

[solid wyvern]

Tbh techincally there are more of herbivores in that weight gap than carnis

[elfin night]

Either way, I think it is totally fine for para to be significantly larger than maia but also much lighter than shant. And it goes both ways: why not? Would be good to have another big speedy herbivore in that weight bracket since the only stuff we have around that weight are stego and anky.

So it could give players the choice to go for something different in that weight class without being a titan

[elfin night]

The 5-7 ton gap?

[solid wyvern]

Anky probably will be 4 if I remember correctly

[elfin night]

4?

That’s wild

[solid wyvern]

It was quite small

[elfin night]

Thought the bulk would compensate. Well then, I backpedal with that

Only steg

[iron tree]

Anky won't be 4t 😭

[elfin night]

I strongly doubt it

I thought anky would make sense at like 5-6 tons being just a walking mass of bone

[solid wyvern]

Hmmm... On other hand wikipidiea says that it's possible max is 8 ton but I remember that devs was talking anky won't be very big

[iron tree]

Imma say it's 6-8 tonnes

[iron tree]

Wikipedia says troodon is a valid genus

[solid wyvern]

[elfin night]

Either way, para in the nearly apex weight class would be pretty unique considering everything else (including shant) just look like hyper defensive brawler powerhouses

Would be cool to have something with more of a lean towards movement

[iron tree]

11t para would be so peak

[elfin night]

Is that any grounded?

[iron tree]

Mhm

[elfin night]

W

Plant eater gang forever

[viscid mica]

Holy hell chat I didn’t even see this coming! Fsh actually posts a banger for once AND NO ONE CAN VOTE CUZ HE HAS HALF THE SERVER BLOCKED AHAHAHA

[elfin night]

So true

But bro plays Omni

So it is what it is

[rugged oriole]

Why did they nerf juvie trodon? How is he supposed to get food now? Is he supposed to be at mercy of other players or what? But you cant really be at mercy of other players since the food can be poisoned by other players that play Cera (yes I've been poisoned way too many times by food on ground) So if I understand it now I will have to starve to almost death with trodon, then try and hunt down something that will feed me with relatively good diet and then wait for my health to get back up. Do I understand it correctly? E: I heard that every AI will protect themself, meaning it will be even harder for smaller species to find / kill food

[viscid mica]

[tropic horizon]

Why does he have so many blocked…

[viscid mica]

He blocks anyone who downvotes his suggestions

[tropic horizon]

That’s incredible

[viscid mica]

Ya it’s always funny

[elfin night]

He actually convinced himself that member votes matter and actually everyone who ever ❌ reacts gets a block and there’s no way to argue

Deadset and refuses to have any conversation

Omni kid

[viscid mica]

@knotty stratus it’s the hordetest they’ll fix the stun lock be patient

[elfin night]

He was enraged because dilo is 20cm per second faster than omni while having less stam, no jump and far worse agility.

[tropic horizon]

That’s certainly a take

[viscid mica]

Tbh anything that can stun always stun locks upon release to HT and its patched during HT

[tropic horizon]

A couple patches ago I’d maybe agree with that but not anymore

[elfin night]

Was actually saying Omni stood no chance

When no one else ever has that issue. In fact dilo is an easy picking for Omnis in the open

[viscid mica]

I mean with enough practice you’ll easily juke dilos as omni

[tropic horizon]

Well yeah

I was referring more to like dilos release before omni got all the buffs it did. But that was over a year ago now

[viscid mica]

Oh yaaaa

[haughty grotto]

Apparently it's a test for some upcoming troodon rework

[eager saddle]

Who what where?😮

[iron tree]

#balance-feedback message

[eager saddle]

Oh LMAO

That’s pathetic, blocking anyone who disagrees

WAIT IM BLOCKED TOO

LMAO

Wait….no did he get kicked?

[slim dragon]

The consequences of disagreeing with Fsh

Oh wait
It seems so

[eager saddle]

I would make a politics joke if it wasn’t a touchy subject

[slim dragon]

Or left on his own accord, because I don't think he broke any rule ?

[eager saddle]

Must have been like SE, disappointed he didn’t get more upvotes

But ye that’s a very lame thing to do

[arctic sigil]

@random stump not needed stego runs faster

[steep gazelle]

This mutation doesn't make much difference for other carnivores, but for the cerato it makes a lot, it even seems like these damaging mutations were made exclusively for it xd

[viscid mica]

Should still be quicker stego isn’t big enough for trike to be reasonably faster purely from a balancing standpoint especially sense stam is stegos only weapon and having low stam from having to constantly run from a over zealous trike is cringe

[viscid mica]

Bros discord must look wild XD

[obtuse ocean]

I dont see whats wrong with that maia getting owned by a trike, whats the problem lol

[eager saddle]

it's supposed to be able to outrun it

[solid wyvern]

Well there is rex coming soon

[viscid mica]

Nothing it’s the fact they are stun locking it

[obtuse ocean]

Yea, then why on earth would you go that close to a trike

[obtuse ocean]

Yea, its apex. Ofcourse you should die lol.

[viscid mica]

Ya that’s a whole other point but anything being able to stunlock you is a problem especially sense they are doing it without even sparring

It’s like pachy HT

[keen plover]

It isn’t a trike issue. Multiple creatures can stun lock other ones

[viscid mica]

No because that gets fixed right away

[keen plover]

Diablo can do it to Maia

[obtuse ocean]

I dont see it, if you get close to a apex. Your asking to die.

[viscid mica]

Nothing in the game can currently stun you before your get up animation even completes

[keen plover]

Same can be done to smaller stegos

[viscid mica]

So it’s a Maia issue?

[viscid mica]

Well dibble and stego can stun locks upon release eachother that’s a known uhhh thing…

[keen plover]

Nah trike does it to trike and Carno can also be stunlocked

If a creature has a really long knockdown animation, they’re pretty much dead

[viscid mica]

Carnos get up animation is atrocious it’s not even getting stun locked they just take 5 years to get up

[steep gazelle]

Cerato is an "apex" with these mutations, being able to cause 500 damage without cost or consequence for missing is an extremely unfair advantage over other carnivores.

[keen plover]

Yeah it does. There needs to be some changes to how stuns and knockdowns work

[viscid mica]

@analog drift official on HT or regular?

[viscid mica]

I mean simply apply a immunity timer during and like 1 second after the getting up animation allowing them to run away

[keen plover]

There is an immunity.

[obtuse ocean]

But not vs apexes ? You should die, i dont know how rex gonna get any food if im able to run away after first hit. Like im just gonna laught at it then and say goodbye

[keen plover]

If there wasn’t, you would never get up

[viscid mica]

Rex can 1 tap most things or pin stuff significantly lighter than it it’ll be fine it doesn’t need to stun lock

[keen plover]

Should be longer though

[viscid mica]

Fair Maia and carno are also bad examples as their getting up animation is horrificly slow

Matter fact Rex won’t even really have stun ability’s LMAO

[worthy steeple]

they did that to teno too

[viscid mica]

I’ve never seen a teno get knocked down

[worthy steeple]

they’re changing some stuff and other animals can get stun locked now lol

[viscid mica]

If you get knocked down as a teno your doing something wrong

[worthy steeple]

stay strong tetontosvravrs

[keen plover]

Should be better now. Test it out

[worthy steeple]

if you get knocked down as anything you’re doing something wrong lol

[keen plover]

Teno was knocked for like 8 seconds early HT due to a bug

[worthy steeple]

did they change stuff?

[worthy steeple]

ahhh i see, nice

didn’t know they fixed that

[viscid mica]

Not exactly I can’t blame carnis running fades with dibbles getting hit once in awhile if they ain’t one of the super agile boys

[keen plover]

I’m going to be real. I think apexes should nuke stuff but not like that

[viscid mica]

Btw how much stun abilities do you think Rex will have lol?

[worthy steeple]

does that even matter, i was talking about stun lock💀 how doing stuff wrong or not matters

[viscid mica]

Ah yes

I mean not everything gets stun locked

[worthy steeple]

teno used to this ht, but apparently that got fixed

[obtuse ocean]

Honestly no clue, but after what kissen said. It looks like you will die if you get close to a rex. And i agree, unless rex has so crazy stam and speed to run you down after lol

[viscid mica]

Not a single thing with a stun couldn’t solo stun lock at the beginning of their HT

[viscid mica]

I mean the only stun power it’s seen to have rn is headbutt that seems more targeting to big things.

BUT

Rex will simply do a ton of damage that’s why not CC like dibble or trike

[worthy steeple]

what their HT has to do with that, i’m talking about this, current ht, they changed stuff and teno could get stun locked by dibble

[viscid mica]

Wait what this HT!?

Something about stuns must have been messed up allowing for stun locking again

[worthy steeple]

yes lol, but i guess it got fixed, idk really

[worthy steeple]

they were adjusting the knockdown duration and probably messed things up

[viscid mica]

Makes sense

[analog drift]

officials sir!

[obtuse ocean]

Yea, its gonna do a good dmg. But looks like a pin according to that ambushing clip on the dibble

[viscid mica]

ON HORDE TEST OR REGULAR

[viscid mica]

Ya I’d assume it can pin stuff roughly half its weight which is fair imo

[obtuse ocean]

Yea, and my guess is that rex vs trike gonna be the same as every dino game. Rex get on side or back, trike dies. If front, rex dies : P

[elfin night]

Dude, you will get outlasted by a persistent trike

[viscid mica]

Yea sounds about right though it seems apex’s might have a sort of sparring mechanism

[elfin night]

Trot speed matters a lot especially with large things that have limited stamina pools

Even if you’re faster, that’s gonna make like a 300 meter difference and you will then get trotted down and with no stamina to fight back

Right now it may sound dumb but the best option stego has is to fight against a trike

You stand a better chance than fleeing one if they’re too close

Either a good headstart to flee and hide or fighting to the death

[obtuse ocean]

Beeing trotted down, off that sux. Reminds me of legacy sucho vs giga

[viscid mica]

Agony

[elfin night]

It would be like that if it remains as it is

[viscid mica]

Ya no stego would need atleast another 2 tons before I’d be ok with it being slower trot than trike

[elfin night]

2 ton deino (45%) vs 8 ton deino (this has been like that since update 3)

[viscid mica]

Deino speed to size is a whole other issue…

[elfin night]

I know but it is still getting walked down to death which is infuriating

[viscid mica]

I hope trikes growth curve gets brought into line with deinos

[viscid mica]

Yup

[elfin night]

Eh

Don’t really mind it all that much considering rex comes out alongside it

Like yeah it should be toned down

But trike having quick weight gain and then getting a hard plateau to gain those last 4 tons actually makes it quite challenging

Since it is a long time exposed to rex

[viscid mica]

They atleast need to slow it down being bigger than dibble in half the time dibble takes to grow is insanity

[elfin night]

And I also don’t want trike to be helpless for most of the grown

[viscid mica]

Genuinely makes dibble pointless

[elfin night]

I agree with this

[viscid mica]

It doesn’t need to be but it shouldn’t be 6tons by 40%

[elfin night]

Just saying I believe it would be garbage if it gained 6 tons in the last two hours